Woke American Comics vs Manga
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- In a world hungry for heroes and stories, why is manga succeeding so well in America when American comics are diving? Is it simply due to biased political nonsense being shoved into a 2020 era DC and Marvel or is it something deeper?
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0:17 What Does Woke Mean?
4:39 American Comics Sales Are Down
7:11 Why Manga is Winning the West
10:53 What Does the Science Say?
16:30 It's the Character that Matters
17:10 The Secret Behind Manga's Success
23:30 The Secret in Practice
26:03 The Ultimate Tragedy
28:03 Diversity of Story
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They said mangas are killing comics, i said no, comics commit suicide
Perfect way of putting it
Very true
Their own failure is what led them to their own death
it committed suicide and left a note saying its mangas fault. well at least that what I've heard
Damn this is accurate af
damn, i'm just barely realized that
Manga isn’t killing comics, comics keep shooting itself in the foot.
Ah they did the old Hitler maneuver
@@congratulationsmerry6386 Nah they did The Seppuku treatment
More like in the face
@@congratulationsmerry6386 Try to extinguish the plague of the world??? Not quite.
It's funny how little they care. They literally bleed money everywhere and are just like "This is fine. Politics first."
Comic: This girl represents strength and she blah blah blah.
Reader: okay
Manga: Here's a girl with robot arms that will tell you the meaning of love.
Reader: You got me girl with robot arms
Violet Evergarden ;)
😭😭violet
and that girl with robot arms will make you cry like a child
Violet Evergarden oh my god that one of best anime and Light novel of all time for me
Started ugly crying then appreciating the art of ot
American comics: Struggles to show you how big and tough a girl can be
Japanese manga: Shows a teenage girl using a nail and hammer to annihilate demons in five minutes
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This^
Mangas have a loottt of mary sues though I can't argue about the american comics
Nobara Kugisaki supremacy
@@ellehcim2779 not all mangas are good but at least you can find good stuff
"Men often fantasize about solving the crisis and saving the day" Jokes on you, I plan on starting the crisis
The fact that your pic is like an 8 year old elevates this comment from normal joke to comedy gold.
Yes.
Sign me up I will give you idea we will set up the world on fire
@@Nanno888 you both need help.
You can count me in as the Muscle
@@rizalalbar Okay We burn This World 🌍
Comics: * points at female character* "Look, diversity!"
Manga: * points at female character* "Look, amazing stories!"
The anime season of Q2 of 2021 had 3 female lead isekais.
So, I'm a Spider, so What? is a action shonen anime who happens to have a female (spider) as main character.
I've Been Killing Slimes for 300 Years and Maxed Out My Level is a relaxing comedy of a overpowered character and her all female colorful group of friends.
The Saint's Magic Power is Omnipotent is a typical shoujo anime. It combines isekais tropes (a random Japanese is summoned as a hero and gains a OP power) with shoujo troupes.
All 3 isekais were good. None of then need to bash men to highlight their powerful female leads.
@@LuisBarrim a couple seasons ago, there was also "i reincarnated as the villainess and all routes lead to doom" pretty self explanitory as a title.
@@elfireii328 Season 2 of it was airing untill last week. And the protagonist won the "best protagonist" Crunchroll award. Among male and female protagonists.
The funniest part for me is that its not like Manga variety doesn't contain representation, and since a long time. You talked about Sailor Moon, who had a lesbian couple. Or should I talk about the infamous couple of Saint Seiya ?
The funniest part is that, in the end, its american adaptation that couldn't deal with representation back in the day when japanese artist had no care in the world
@@maxentirunos the pendulum always swings too far into over correction
To quote a wise Light Novel writer "If you got 100 people in a room and only HALF of them like your work and the other half hates you, don't focus on trying to get the haters on your side. Focus on your audience and create something good that you are happy with for THAT audience, forget the haters"
I'm paraphrasing of course.
Oh I think I know who this madman of a Light Novel Writer is XD
@@nekokoishi legend
That fox is worthy of admiration.
Oh I know who said that. I watched the interview. He is extremely based.
I might be a dumb dumb here but who said that? It sounds so familiar it's on the tip of my tongue lol
“The Manga is better” now has a whole new meaning
Exactly
love this comment
"There is no perfect pasta sauce, only perfect pasta sauces."
-Howard Moskowitz, psychophysicist and market research specialist.
One of the first things you learn in any writing class is, “Know your audience.” You need to know who you’re writing for, so that you can tailor your work to be the best possible experience for that group. Different audiences have different interests, preferences, and conventions as to what good writing is. It baffles me that so many writers now think that it’s suddenly, magically possible to create a work that transcends all of those boundaries and appeals to everyone (or at least everyone that they think matters). They don’t just hope that there will be audience bleed-over, like most writers do, they _expect_ it, all while writing in such a niche bubble that they can’t possible reach this goal. This is what happens when a bunch of self-important “writers” think that they’re too good for the basics.
Also, apparently, pasta enthusiast.
Top Ten Places I didn't expect to find somebody I am subbed to -- number 5
@@kentlindal5422 Actually the pasta sauce example comes from the fact that he was paid to do product research for Prego when he came to that conclusion. I don't know if he actually is a pasta enthusiast or not.
And here we have: A brony understanding that different things appeal to different audiences.
Just in case anyone still needed confirmation that recognising different audiences is *_not_* about keeping people out of fandoms or claiming media for a gender.
Woke Comics: Look, our female characters are lesbians, black, bla bla bla diversity and now read our comics!
Manga: Look, our female characters have interesting stories.
Well not that much ,it’s still sexist over there
@@DanielMartinez-xz8nj well, it's gotten better, even in Shounen. Female characters had been handled really poorly in shounen in the past (like Death Note) but now, it's gotten A LOT better. For example Jujutsu Kaisen's female characters.
@@sujal4078 true.
Lots of anime have badass female character like Attack on Titan, Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw man, and Kaiju no 8
@@jadeorbigoso5212 dont forget yakuza reincarnation. basically an old man died reincarnated as a girl and kick ass in the other world. diversity alright
The best part is that Manga does strong female characters better than the west! Charaters like Nobura from jujutsu kaisen or Noelle from Balck clover are amazingly written and earn their strength,making them much more compelling than the "Girl Power" characters we have over here in the west
So manga are woke too but just better written… so issue is simply *writing 🤷
@@jamarmorisseau7836 The term "woke" nowdays means psychicaly ill. Nothing more. So i wouldnt say that people that are realistic are woke.
another one would be jolyne kujo from jojo
Out of all the current Western characters written so far please tell me that x-23 is at least decently written. I am more of a movies guy I leave the reading thing to the Manga Industry but hell at least in the movies X-23 seems like a Worthy successor of Logan
Noelle's character development was what made her a better character! American comics would have made her an "I don't need no man" character who was perfect and emotionally void from the beginning, but the mangaka made her change and develop into the great magic knight she is now!
I mean, I've watched a slice of life anime about a cat.
Not a special cat with powers or anything like that, no, just a cat doing cat things. It's unironically fun.
Yep,
but lets not delude ourselves: Anime/Manga have their OWN
Problem-Trends and Issue-Genres,
even if we ignore ALL the Offline-Stuff (like terrible, vile Worker-Exploitation).
@@loturzelrestaurant yes but that isnt the point of the video
What Anime Was That?
@@FanOfLightning95 Chi's Sweet Home
They're really short episodes. Just a cute kid's show.
I remember watching an anime once about hamsters going on little adventures
If Japanese Comics centered around fishing, food, and sports can outsell your current day leading American superhero comics, there is something drastically wrong with the business model of American Comics.
This is honestly what I’m thinking as well. It can’t be due to just the whole “diversity” thing - something is fundamentally wrong with the business model itself.
@@SpiderkillersInc it's due to accessibility and adapting the stories to series/movies. Western comics aren't as accessible as, say One Piece, a manga series with over 1000 chapters, because of constant reboots, side stories etc. Manga's strentgh lies in streamlining by being a continuous story headlined by the main writer where you could pretty much pick up any story from chapter 1/volume 1 and work your way up from there.
Anime is much more visually appealing compared to western 2D adaptions of comics, with sakuga scenes basically going viral weekly on Twitter (the anime industry won't and can't keep this up, though this is a conversation for another time). Anime and Manga is also far easier and cheaper to access due to the huge piracy culture which has been pretty much the no. 1 way to consume them since pretty much forever now due to slow licensing and lacking translations.
There's also the overall quality of Anime and Manga, 99% of which follow the exact same structure and tropes, not trying to break away from these set rules. And since pretty much all of the content's targeted towards teenagers none of them try to serve as a sort of bildungsroman. The vast and overwhelming majority of animanga is not trying to make multilayered statements as to appease the broadest audience possible and even the ones hailed as deep are nowhere near a Watchmen, Sandman or Maus.
@@lLe0nx3 wdym the anime industry wont and cant keep this up?
Why the fuck would I worry about someone sexuality while I'm trying to diffuse this bomb
@@shigeokageyama4458 Simply put: not enough animators to keep up the high quality production output and the ones already working are being treated like they work in sweatshops. Your pfp is from Mob Psycho, which is a fantastic example.
Mob Psycho is being animated by studio Bones, also responsible for the likes Boku no Hero Academia and most recently that Sk8 the Infinity anime. Since Bones acquired the rights to animate Mob, animation quality on BnHA has gone steady downhill because the studio does not have enough manpower to support both titles equally. It's gotten even worse for BnHA because Bones is also doing original movies, taking away even more highprofile animators from the seasons to focus on pumping out movies (I believe they get paid better for this though because the studio ks getting a bigger paycut for the movies as well). And as for Sk8 the infinity, they had to drop a recap episode right before the finale because of lacking manpower and time constraints.
There's countless other examples for this though. WIT, the studio behind the first 3 seasons of Attack on Titan, had to drop the fourth season because they couldn't pump out another high quality season in a mere year because of exhausted workers and obvious manpower shortness. Mappa, the studio that picked up Attack on Titan for season 4, also couldn't deliver the quality they wanted because of time and manpower constraints, which also lead to the one year long delay between the first and second half of the season. Wonder Egg Priority is another example where time and man power constraints not only lead to degrading quality from episode to episode, an out-of-nowhere recap episode, but also a massive delay of the last episode for a few months to finish the anime. Studio White Fox also had manpower problems when they developed Mushoku Tensei and Re:Zero simultaneously, leading to Re:Zero awkward animation quality when compared to Mushoku Tensei.
Like i said there's even more examples, but I want to highlight this blog post from sakugabooru which goes into detail on what goes wrong with anime production right now, it's long but a good read if you really care for the medium.
blog.sakugabooru.com/2021/03/13/tv-anime-a-deadly-landscape-even-for-high-profile-productions/
Yaoi, Yuri, Shoujo, and Shonen are all genres in manga that already covers LGBT and female and male audiences. And they’ve had them for a long time without ever having to brag about them for virtue signal points.
Heck, now manga also has LGBT manga and it's good. I think one of the manga get award. I FORGET ABOUT THE TITLE THO
Hmmm... Now that's a different genre but I can see what you're doing 😎👍.
@@TheMightyCrucibleKnight184 welll, technically, Shounen, Shoujo, Seinen, and Josei isn't a genre...
@@RutraNickers but let me ask you, do they like pushing the same shit like you do in US? the obvious answer is no. Japanese society is rigid as hell, even when it comes to sexual orientation. those things like Shounen-Ai and Shoujo-Ai is merely an escapism from the real life. I still don't support homosexuality but when you say they're bigoted, then you're extremely wrong if you didn't know about Japanese society as a whole.
@@RutraNickers The toxic relationships are there because they sell. Perfect relationships tend to be boring. Either the focus is not on the relationship, so the LGBT representation is toned down to not interfere with the actual interesting plot, or you have to get a twist that attracts readership.
comics: Trying hard to potray feminine power
Jujutsu Kaisen: Doesn't need to tryhard in order to show how badass Nobara is
Yup
Yup
She's the first female character that I call queen genuinely. She's just awesome. I don't even think she's attractive, I call her queen bc she's that fucking awesome
In fact, that whole conversation Nobara had with Nishimiya was a direct F U to all the woke bs!!
maki*
In my eyes good representation is when it doesn't feel like one, and everything feels right in the story
Precisely: "Coherent world-building". Could be anything and nothing is "special pleading", either!
So Into The Spiderverse ? I mean the movie focused on Miles taking up on the role of Spider Man in his own way, but it still had other characters.
You're completely correct about this.
Woke representation is in fact not representation at all, because when instead of making a human that shares a trait with, say, a queer person, the audience will actually be able to identify and sympathize with that character. If however you instead just build a cardboard figure that says "gay" on it, they will not sympathize. And isn't that the point of representation in the first place? To make people identify with a character more because they share some traits? If so, well, it fails. All the time.
I myself have some attributes that could count me to a "minority", but also many many more traits that are much more common. I do not identify with a character simply because he has ONE single trait in common with me. First of all, I need to see him as an actual person. Woke characters are not persons. They are puppets who, when squeezed, will drop an anvil of ideology on you. As someone who does not identify as a marionette of politics, I will never relate to these characters.
aka nbc hannibal
It’s like the rule of good sfx in movies “it’s doing it’s job right if you don’t notice it” if it was bad you’d notice it immediately and be pulled out of the action because you’re too focused on the bad graphics. Good representation is one where it’s so natural you don’t realize it’s happening.
It's funny how people talking about "diversity" see everyone the same.
Right? It's REALLY freaking insulting.
And they have this term called "coding", where they conclude that this non-human character has "traits" of a certain demographic, therefore he/she is part of that demographic. An example of this is Piccolo being "coded black". But they base these traits on stereotypes; it's like saying that "All black people act the same, and this character acts like a black person therefore he's black."
They’re so blind to their dogma that they don’t even realize (or care in some cases) that they’re stereotyping people.
Man Reading Sports Manga: "This sport looks awesome, maybe I'll give it a try."
Woman Reading Sports Manga: "How many of these guys are f**king each other?"
@@mariokarter13 A good example of that is Slam Dunk vs Free.
These days.
Seeing 4 buff guys, ordering Ice tea in Bar On Egypt is more interesting than any other new comic book
Is that a Jojo reference
@@rogue8507 That is indeed, a mudafuckin Jojo reference.
@@dynamight_chaos-king I'm sorry but...
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@@revanhaq247 Ah yes, *komedi*
Jojo Parts 2 and 3 reference
The thing is, Japan's Manga Industry is Cut-throat MERITOCRATIC. It doesn't care who you are, it only cares on what you can offer. Even a nobody will be held on a pedestal if he prove his worth with either their story, or art, while even a veteran will have his work get stopped serialization if it was mediocre and has minimal appeal. Its not that all of manga is of high quality, its just that only the highest of quality gets to survive. Unlike in the west, where they fear of cutting mediocre content in fear of getting accused an 'ist-o-phobe in social media. 😒
That's what Araki mentions in his book. Being published the first time means they're giving you a shot. Don't mess it up lol. Then you have to earn your way back into the spotlight every single time. He said even veterans could be rejected if their work wasn't good enough.
This happened with Bleach as I recall.
The tragedy is that some pretty amazing manga series get canceled and shoved out with a truncated ending simply because they didn't meet the threshold. And as a result many series just repeat the same narratives & character archetypes over and over and over and over because they're "what sell." It's better than woke nonsense, but it also means a lot of gems get thrown out with the crap.
@@Awakeandalive1 those ideas simply became: 1) Seinen, or 2) Light novel. I didn't say Japan's way of thing is 100% good. All i did is explain why it seemingly WokeProof.
@@Awakeandalive1 Shonen manga is formulaic. I find seinen manga is far more interesting and varied, but that's because I, personally, outgrew the genre years ago. I think a lot of people do that without realizing it, hell I didn't for years, but upon discovering the world of manga aimed more at adults, I was able to reignite my passion for the medium.
Watched some Jujutsu Kaisen - Nobara is an excellent strong female character because she gets her ass kicked, and kicks it in return. She clearly deserves her place among the main cast, and has a very positive version of self-love: "I love myself when I'm pretty and all dressed up... and I love myself when I'm being strong!"
And she gets along with her male colleagues and surprisingly good at blending in with her friends antique. All superhero comic I've ever have extremely arrogant women who think they are better than anyone else, especially guys. Some of them are unreasonably overpowered, extremely independent (in a bad way).
Yup I like her too and her overall character
I also rlly loved how they didn't make her a love interest, in fact i loved there was almost minimum to no romance in the whole story since what we seek from it was the action, the shounen aspect of it so the romance would've ruined it for many. Heck, nobara even had more chemistry with maki than itadori or megimi imo. Strong woman being simply strong and confident with no 'being feminine is weak' sh*t, side angst, tragic backstory, forced quirkiness or all that stuff was refreshing to see.
@@reno9571 So Do I
@@megumintobuna-4537 bro what she only respects maki
I once read Jiro Taniguchi's The Walking Man. It's a collection of short stories about a man who walks. He walks home from work. He walks to the grocery store. He walks along the riverbank. He takes his dog for a walk. Just walking. Nearly completely silent and devoid of dialogue. It's FASCINATING! I highly recommend it.
You *know* manga tops comics when a manga about *literally walking* is better than an American comic, haha
@@xiaolin867 fr 😂😂😂
@@xiaolin867 Japan just makes things interesting. Its like the lore meme, uninteresting things made interesting.
This sounds like something I’d like
@@nitsu2947 i think its more like modern USA comic creator only make things for virtue signalling rather than you know, making a good story
The fun thing is, the biggest reason why Manga outpaces comics is indeed diversity. The most important type of diversity for the industry:
diversity of **content**. The comics industry is incredibly limited, while with manga we have Shonen, Shoujo, Seinen, mysteries, horrors, actions, fantasies, and it even acts as a gateway to the Light Novel industry as well!
No joke, about to read the Light Novel of Full Metal Panic after reading the manga
And in a way you see DC catching this but just in the worst way possible, they try to make graphic novels but using characters others don't care about, however when they made a graphic novel about a brand new character they created for that graphic novel it sold well, they are also trying to pander to the Tumblr crowd with their webtoon which as much as I don't want to admit it, I think will eventually do better then a lot of their current comics
seriously... Like theyve fridged so many popular comic genres. Horror Cowboys History Romance High Concept. Manga never threw women under the bus out of stupid selfish need to pander to demographics... They just invent new genres. I might not agree with this video.
The height of creativity of the golden age... they began to add female characters to appeal to women. So at these times they had success they were courting an audience. Instead of just lazer focusing on demographics.
Comics used to be diverse too, extremely so, but now it's all superheroes and barely anything else. Where's the Archies, the Walking Reads and the Tales of Astonishing?
@@elizabethlee2136 Never threw women under the bus to appeal to demographics? The same medium that's full of gratuitous and absolutely unnecessary fanservice shots, trophy waifus and such?
Are you kidding me?
Fucking hell, I like manga as any other dude, but don't pretend it's not full of trash with the occasional gold sometimes, just like all media.
West Gender Equality: Change existing male character into female.
East Gender Equality: Girl gets ass kicked.
*Kazuma approved this*
Kazuma would be proud 🤧
Kazuma
i guess kazume is the biggest proponent of gender equality
@@albioncia Equal rights, equal fights.
Equal opportunity without equal responsibility and consequence is chauvinistic and disrespectful.
"'If you don't like my politics, don't buy my book.' And then we didn't." I absolutely LOST it! ROFLMBO
Fun fact: only successful manga get translated to English. I like to think that's Japans greatest shield against things like Gotham High, I'm Not Starfire, etc.
official yes, rest made by fandom (if had any)
It's not shield but quality born from quantity
like battle royal but bigger case
If that were true then kingdom or Beelzebub would have an English translations
Lots of good series still having no official release, and lots of bad series that have one
So correct me if I’m wrong, it would be like if American comic publishers only translated stuff like Infinity Gauntlet, or Batman the Long Halloween?
Idk about that. Jojo is very popular in Japan for a long time but the only part translated in English before the 2012 anime was ONLY part 3. Most likely due to copyright issues.
There's also Medaka Box, Kenichi, etc
@@Bolbi145 not really.true. there is a lot of trash being translated now. Only the trash is still better
One of my favorite manga is about an ex-yakuza househusband that does his best with whatever everyday mundane life activity he does and makes it epic and cool.
I'm interested. Sauce?
@@brunnokamei9623 The way of the househusband.
Tatsu is up there with Speedwagon as best waifu. No one can change my mind.
ngl that sounds kinda like yakuza
@@iputapipebombintoyourmailb6210 you mean yakuza the game? if so, yes... kinda?
And here's the thing about Manga/Anime, while it is separated into Genres, it doesn't stop people from enjoying whatever they want. No one is standing at the book store barring young men from reading Card Captor Sakura and no one is barring young women from reading One Punch Man. The Comic industry just needs to make comics in separate genres and let the people choose instead of transforming existing franchises to their needs.
Not to mention, if a man buy a BL, the women probably thinking "One of us! One of us!" instead belittle them 😂
Fudanshi is rare, but they exist. Heck, I remember watching anime about fudanshin
@@cestalia meanwhile if a man hold different political views bought a certain comic, the woman would instead post hate thread on twitter about something something I read the same thing as someone I don't like I'm suffering trauma and I'm sad. Same goes to the opposite.
@@cestalia in asia rhey are not rare most girls in my school read bl
@@teeno4725 fudanshi is boy that like bl story, you mistook it with fujoshi, girl that like bl. of course fujoshi is more common than fudanshi everywhere not only in Asia
@@MunchMagicianthat's true. I know some guys who read bl casually
There have been progressive messages in comics for years. Just look what Stan Lee and company accomplished. The difference is these new writers don’t seem to understand that being LGBT+ is a character trait, NOT A PERSONALITY!
This is why Manga is dominating even with stories containing the same representation:
Manga: Here is a wonderful, nuanced story about the highs and lows of a couple in a relationship. By the way they are both men/women.
Comics: Here is a gay couple. Look how gay they are! Watch them being gay! Do you get it, they are GAY! The story is that they are GAY! The character’s only personality is being gay/trans/female so if you don’t like this comic you are obviously an istaphobe and a horrible person! It can’t be because there is no story or plot.
The core of this agenda are Communists acting in bad faith. You can explain to them how they are wrong. They don't care. They hate America. The worse it is the more they like it. It is their agenda to destroy America. They are Communists after all.
personality and character trait are similar to each other
You have either never read manga in your life, or truly don't understand the vast world that is manga. To pretend like your average manga is some thoughtful, nuanced literature is wild.
No, it is not.@@jakeystarsuper
@@jakeystarsuper similar, sure. In the same way a handful of sand and a window are similar. You can't just take one handful of sand, place it in a hole and go "look at this window i made!" because that's just one part of it. You need so many more handfuls to make that window, and then you got to process it, mix it all together to create a functional window-pane, and not just a bunch of different gags and traits.
Manga is whatever you want. Comic books nowadays is *this* or *that*.
Manga :
- You want to see a guy turn into a sword? You got it!
- You want to see a guy that wants to be a pirate king forever? You got it!
- You want to be the very best like no one ever was? You got it!
- You want to see a demon lord that works in a burguer store? You know we got ya babe!
- What? You wanna see a guy that turns into a little girl magician? How about little girls that turn into mountains of musles that are also magicians? WE GOT YOU!
Manga literally makes thousands of stories that feel the same and yet all different. Comic books are all different and yet all the same stories.
Anime and manga make excellent use of their medium and the fact that there is literally no budget limitations on them in terms of scale. An anime making a planet explode is easier than making boobs jiggle, so they use it to great effect. Comics just use the same characters over and over again
That last example got me, I need to look into that manga
'Comic books are all different and yet all the same stories'
I can tell you've read only superhero stories lmfao
Go read some actual great comics, e.g. Saga, Monstress
Manga:
-You want to see the main character turn into something you have never thought about before? Sure, we have main character that turn into a skeleton knight, a polar bear, a slime even a hot spring.
-You want to story about a world with diversity of race and species? Here something better, a fantasy story like lord of the ring but its about a bunch of guy go write review about brothel full of girls from any kind of species you can think of
(this example isnt manga but a manhua)
you want a story about cultivator from a world of murim fighting superhero and kick everyone ass you got it
The best part is that Magical Girl animes and mangas are way more popular with men.
No joke, I will read those, and when they are well written I will cry like a baby. Seriously, the ending of MGLN had me skipping over to A's just to see how Fate's trial turned out.
Madoka Magica >>
Wandering Witch: The Journey of Elaina
Suffering magical girl
And why is no one mentioning Sailormoon eh?
the interesting thing about shoujo and shounen is that popular series in both genres tend to have big audience that is equally split between both genders, where lots of men actually read shoujo (example: fruits basket), and a lot of girls actually read/watch shounen (attack on titan, one punch man, heroaca, hxh, mob psycho, etc) simply because the stories are so good that people want to read them even if they aren't interested in the genre
Also, romance in shounen ex: nisekoi, rent a gf
I'm male and the majority of manga i've read were slice-of-life or romance manga. I somehow never got into american comics (i'm not american) because the overall stories weren'T appealing to me.
@@MinqApoc Well there are a lot of good comics being released right now. Just not Dc/marvel bullshit. Try something from Image comics
My bf introduced me to Horimiya, and now we're both watching the anime. He's a sucker for romance manga and light novels, while I'm more invested in shounen like KnY, and we both find Isekai awesome.
@@jans.g6033 anime? That awful thing that looks like it was drawn by a 12yo?
my asian father told me that the main difference he noticed between eastern and western life is that life here in America, is too easy. Here people strive for comfort rather than discipline, their environment changes but they don't. Then you end up with children managing businesses, that's why Americans have that stereotypical view of Asians being smart, it's children who never grew up looking at a grown hardworking adult.
That's true as an Asian you don't get an easy life from the get go when things are expensive you don't complain you do with what you have
Work smarter, not harder. It's the whole reason for the reliefs we have in this day and age.
As an Asian, 100% agreed. You can bitch about the powers that be giving woe is you a shitty life all you want, but at the end of the day you will always HAVE a shitty life unless you can get off your ass and do the hard work to make it happen. That's not to say that we should just shut up when the system legitimately sucks, but at the end of the day if someone wants to change ANYTHING they have to work hard for it not just cry about it.
I have a great quote for this: "I want to be entertained not lectured."
The fun thing is, there's a lot of manga that do that by telling you a compelling story so the message feels organic
@@cristianrios8804 exactly, lectures and moral lessons directed to the reader/watcher is great if the way its portrayed is great. you can't just throw unnecessary and irrelevant black and gay people into the mix and expect people would "learn to think and care about POCs and LGBTQ, as they should be represented and not be forgotten"
Then just stop paying attention because I guarantee you half of your favorite shit is very political
hell my favorite anime and manga are because are Trigun and full metal
@@fistpump64 lmao nice bait you got there, my favorite so far is mob psycho 100
@@Deathshot981 mob is great show. also the smile cult mob destroys and the show mocks is a real organization in japan thats a very small thing but theirs an example. japan has politics thier art has politics.
They keep citing the "Demon Slayer is outselling all American comics" because they don't want to talk about the bigger problem. The next highest selling manga (I think it's JujutsuKaisen if I'm not mistaken) is ALMOST outselling the entire industry. Meaning that the top ten manga's are annihilating the American comic industry and so on. It's easier to praise the one manga then admit the truth no?
Chainsaw Man*. It doesn't have a anime adaptation yet either
jujutsu kaizen is a part of a negative trend in anime of a mediocre show getting hyped then losing all of its readerships after the fast-food media binge ends, now Toyko revengers is the new "hot" thing selling well. And, is probably going to get replaced the moment chainsaw man comes out and all the casuals jump to an actually good manga.
jujutsu kaizen isn't even selling better than Jojo or my hero, it's fallen to nothing numbers and got replaced by the next "hype" manga.
edit: Since people don't seem to get it I'm basing this off the august 2021 sales chart which places "jujutsu kaizen" under "my hero" and "Tokyo revengers" it's sales by comparison to it's 2020 sales are heavily declined showing a downward trek, a lot of it's sales came from from what I understand pandemic relief money and happened all at once in a massive burst in the same way most anime do. but it's clear it's eventually going to downward spiral as time goes on the same way fire force and black clover did over the years or "negative trend" and then the next "master piece in the making" will come along and people will forget it exists. it currently seems to be living off it's own hype but that's not really sustainable.
it's a cycle a lot of long time anime fans like my self noticed and are sick of, these mainstream casuals watch a mediocre anime then bail on it to the next one and the next one leaving the industry in a perpetual state of chasing trends and leaving original concepts from good manga in the dust.
Not just that Demon Slayer boosted the Manga industry to the point where multiple series are selling over a million per volume. Meanwhile a popular comic does nothing to promote the industry at large.
chronic joker, I absolutely agree.
Yea these W0ke writters are perversing that phrase tho... They think their "audience" is the w0ke crowd and are focusing on them and the Comic fans are actually the "haters".
Manga can make even a simple girl without superpowers into an awesome main heroine by giving her PERSONALITY instead of a set of mental dysfunctions.
Literally slice of life manga.
American comic writers/artists be like "Men HATE women!"
Meanwhile...
"Oh, that's a cute girl, lemme see what this manga is about."
I mean, most of my favorite fictional characters are female, and most of those are from manga.
OK, but was anything wrong with MCU Black Widow ? I'd say she was pretty awesome. Real shame Endgame happened.
I'd like to see what comic you're reading that's supposedly spewing that because I have yet to find it. I'm convinced you people found an alternate dimension where you're finding all these man hating and diversity forcing comics and media because quite frankly, the comics today aren't different from the comics a decade ago. Only difference is maybe 30 of the output isn't straight or cis anymore.
@@kurodoodle4876 I never claimed it was the comics themselves, but rather the people behind them. Time and time again we've seen people in the western comic industry and even the larger western fiction (games, cartoons, etc.) industry who have just completely hated on men for no reason.
You look at the Twitter accounts for these people and they're shouting "Death to all men," "All men are sexist," shit like that, constantly. And since you mentioned not knowing about any diversity forcing comments, how about Marvel's "New Warriors," which was immediately called out for it's horrible forced diversity, or things like "I Am Not Starfire" which has a plus sized LGBT female self-insert lead, which by the very nature of it being a self-insert is forced. The comics industry makes characters a different race, gender, or sexuality, not because it would switch up a tired formula, but because they want to earn points with those groups by going "hey look, this character is just like you, buy our shit!"
I mean, as I mentioned in my first comment, some of my favorite fictional characters are women, and some of them are LGBT. I have nothing against representation and diversity, if it's done right. A lot of the time, it doesn't add anything to the story or characters, it's just there to pander to a certain demographic.
If they can do it right, there's no problem, however, they almost never do because they'd rather try to squeeze out an extra few dollars from other demographics than make an actually good and compelling story.
@@alexursu4403 the only thing wrong with Black Widow is her movie, where they shat all over her character and sidelined her for her replacement.
@@blacklivesorblackvotes2985 There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
This is all you need to know:
Trump in DC: orange man bad
Trump in death note (yes this is real): Orange man is your average president who's only the antagonist because his goals clash with the main character's.
Yup. Read that one. It was pretty awesome, actually. Very clever
Trump in Death Note? Is that a new Death Note manga?
@@animeking1357 There was a Death Note sequel oneshot chapter released last year where a new character picks up Ryuk's death note and who conducts a new plan using it. And yes, Trump does show up there.
Lol I was laughing so hard when I saw that Trump was in Death Note.
@@Skallva holy shit no way.
Loki, bisexual? Do they have ANY idea how reductive that was? In Norse Mythology the Prose Eda Loki's sexuality can best be described as "Anything that Moves." Loki has shapeshifted into hundreds of different mortal women leaving behind hundreds of unnamed demigods on Mid-Gard. He has turned himself into a mare, only to be mated with a stallion resulting in him/her/it giving birth to Odin's Eight Legged Super Horse. He is the father of the giant wolf in Asgard, and not the stepbrother but the FATHER of Hela, and she was HONORABLY given power over Norse Hel, the land of the dead to prevent chaos to spread throughout Yggdrasil by keeping the dead in check. Loki even though he was prophesized to eventually cause Ragnarok he was still allowed in Valhalla and was the patron god of deceptive warfare and Norse assassins. (Yes Norse warriors did understand stealth and dagger welding scouts were sent in first in the cover of night to weaken defenses before invading a port city or town.)
Yep in the norse edda itself its agnowledged lokiis that, and not described as male, as opposed to thor in drag. He was also some years a milkmaid with iunknown number of children, to his children death godess hel, who is neutral, fenrir, who got mistreated and was good till then, and the snake, He also gave himsel birth to odin steed.
Odin is pretty feminine too becoming a woman to learn womenly magic anomg other apearences Which he gets roasted that time.
Eh, I would agree if we were talking about the original mythology, because I too think trying to give human aspects such as sexuality to a divine being, something superior to a human, seems too simple... but it's an adaptation. It's Marvel's Loki. It's a reimagination, just like Clueless did with Jane Austen's Emma., or Netflix Bridgerton with the book, or what Netflix (sadly) did with Death Note, and it doesn't need to be at all accurate.
I don’t want to sound like a know it all when I say this I swear
But I’m a Norse pagan I have been for about 10 years and one of my favorite comics to read when I was a kid was Thor I was always enraptured by the god and his adventures as a kid especially because of my Scandinavian heritage that I didn’t see the comics as an insult to my faith even after I became a pagan I still loved it because the old writers did their homework and showed millions of people the beliefs of pagans like myself even if they changed it at times or exaggerated I didn’t mind because they still had respect for it
Then Disney bought marvel and absolutly shit all over Thor Asgard and everyone else and made the god Thor
A literal breathing fucking god in that universe a fucking joke and then the only redefining part at times being Loki but then absolutly shit all over his character and everything else is fucking infuriating to the point when they turned Thor into the big Lebowski I groaned because the Thor I know in the comics that I know and love and the actual Thor I know would be devastate by letting half the universe die on his account but he would take that anger and regret and turn it into a never ending quest for fighting the wrong thanks committed and for failing to stop him not sit down cry get fat and get drunk
So in all marvel and Disney can burn for all I care
@@codybrox4693 Disney is like an idiot who doesn't understand what their dealing with. They'll screw up Blade, The Fantastic 4, X-Men and Deadpool.
*Prophesied
The irony being is that LGBT themes are shockingly common in Manga and anime.
but it not the main focus, it's just one ingredient for the whole story, that what make them flavorfull
@@NeroZeroes
Which is how real life is, there are people of every kind. Though having a manga and anime that focuses on an LGBT character and their life experience can also be good.
@@AlexHernandez-ee5hd if done right yes, if watching an antics of your classmate in class can be an anime, why not right? but they need to show it off the reality of it, shirobako show the up and down in anime industry, Bakuman show the harshness of manga industry, amaama to inazuma show the harshness of single parent, it show reality, the thing with hollywood storytelling, especially when concerning of "Woke" culture, it'll be full of their own ideal, not how it is, but how they want it to happen
@@NeroZeroes
Very true, Hollywood likes to blow things up to the umpteenth degree.
@@AlexHernandez-ee5hd not the focus of the plot, but lily from zombieland saga had an entire episode dedicated to her struggles in wanting to become a girl despite being born male. Plus points is her father who is a very masculine dude is very supportive of her.
The best thing about shonen manga is, it often has both physical AND emotional/social conflicts. You get to see the cool, mindblowing fighting scenes, PLUS the devastating emotional conflict. If there's romance in it, it's usually great too. Even as a girl, it's always my go-to.
Hence why L-Devil's take on 'Manga and Comics are for Boys mainly! Dont At Me!' is stupid.
Endeavor's character development in BNHA is sooooo fucking good, the guy was a piece of shit but his journey towards his redemption was so amazing
It is great to see romance unless it's harem, that's just a big fat no for me. Personally i would love it if the shounen focuses on the fact that it's shounen than giving extra focus on the romance but i do agree most of them tackle the romance pretty good.
I unironically cried when Brook's backstory was revealed. I love the funny skeleton man
@@slevinchannel7589 I was looking for something like this. Honestly i was with him the entire video til' he got to that statement. Going into dna and like hermones and shit to say girls should enjoy one type of media while boys should enjoy the other is fucking dumb. The human mind is too complicated to have such a simple answer, just let people like what they like man.
Western Comics: I'm going to show diversity with a bi-black woman as the lead.
Me: What's her character?
Manga: I'm going to make golf interesting.
Me: Tell me more.
Manga: Hey kids wanna see a story about making bread?
Me: Hell yeah I do!!
@@RivanEXT99 while i was at the bar with my friend and we joked saying "I am sure there is a manga about playing pole"
im not into sports but manga made me interested in fucking american football! and im not even american
also manga : here diving manga....!!
me : where diving part...?
I've literally never watched or played golf myself but I would binge a golf anime. That's how good anime and manga can be.
I don't know why, but that last bit hit me hard. As somebody who only just now finished the rough outline of his first book after 10 years--I know, please go easy on me--and who has worried costantly about whether or not he's good enough, the "Would you rather be unremarkable in front of a million people, or a rock star in front of a thousand?"
It's probably the best question I've ever heard to ask myself. Thanks for that. :)
Really glad you enjoyed the video! And good luck on your work!
Reminds me to this video: th-cam.com/video/6BzCDVR-tr8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=larsmartinson
Do you have any advice for people to avoid spending more time than they want on their first book?
@@elpretender1357 do it like stephen king.
Vomit out words until you got hundreds of pages and then edit it down until its mediocore and let an editor improve the rest
@@razlad2523 lol
@@razlad2523 oh wow I could do that now
Kelly Sue Deconnick: *"We're very worried about comics right now. Mainstream comic sales are down."*
Also Kelly Sue Deconnick: *"If you don't like my comics, just don't buy it! Problem solved!"*
Why does her name sound so similar to Mary Sue: the comic?
@@zerothefaceless4888 Maybe that's the reason why she's the way she is? To live up to her own name? xD
Missed opportunity for surprised pikachu meme
@@kueapel911 damn nice burn 🔥
Fine. We won't buy them, that's what you said.
Hirohiko Araki is the pinnacle of a fictional author in the modern age. He creates art. DC and Marvel say they make art.
Id say Miura did a better job
@@AxenfonKlatismrek araki, miura, and murata(OPM) are kings of manga
@@d4clovetrain900 could we add oda in there as well? even just the mystery of one piece itself has been so masterfully crafted that fans have spent literal years on making a single theory just to try to find that answer, not to mention how his art style provides so much room for expression of all types. he's a master of making emotional, comedic, grand, epic and tragic scenes with so much ease that i can rarely keep my eyes off of what's happening on the pages
@@danielrosa9502 one piece is the friends and adventure along the way. Boom mystery solved
@@d4clovetrain900 well oda already confirmed long ago that the one piece is actually something you can physically touch, it's been given huge in-universe importance and we've actually met characters that have seen the one piece itself. i'm not sure if you were joking or not but i have as much respect for oda as i do for the three mangaka you listed 👍
Manga Industry in a nutshell:
"If it sells well, continue it."
"If it doesn't, axe it"
Hence, why there's a shit ton of story/titles to choose from in the Manga Industry.
While the Woke Comics does the complete opposite.
Hence, why you only get Trash.
Problem is if you aren't consistently selling they will cancel it even if the work is good and has a big following. If the title isn't consistently selling big it gets axed, all good series have low points but eventually get better over time but the manga industry will axe a series in its low point before it even has a chance to get better.
Imagine if Star Wars was an original manga series it would have been axed after Phantom Menace, no EU, no Clone Wars no nothing cause it had a low point and they never bothered to let the work get back to its peak.
Exactly it's a battle royale for the best of the best in manga. Meanwhile western comics these day they just spew out woke propaganda garbage then blame people not reading shit that nobody ask for them to make!
@@voidcowboy4327
Nope, if a Manga has a low point.
The publishers will give it a chance to make a comeback, since it's the buying power of the readers who'll make the decision, not the publisher.
Having a Big Following = More Buyers.
Less Following = Less Buyers.
Buyers are the actual Followers, not some blokes on the internet who are just all talk & no walk.
It's Manga we're talking about, the buying power of the Japanese Domestic Market has all the decision, not some foreign blokes who just follow stuff on the internet & didn't buy Manga.
Thanks to that we got a shit ton of options in genres, authors, artists, & publishers for the Manga industry,
@@muhdzofmadness0245 "the best" meanwhile anime that's getting green lit right now is garbage like World's End Harem and Redo of Healer instead of things like Berserk or Chainsaw Man
@@Danny-mp8dq What are you talking about ? This year has been one of the best years for anime. Although I agree Redo of healer is trash even though I only saw the 1st episode
Manga gives me what I want, Woke American Comics doesn't.
Keeping the audience mind is critical. Manga does that. Woke American creators actively insult its audience.
@@LiteratureDevil Exactly and I also enjoy French Comics.
I have yet to hear about a western comic where the protagonist is considered a monster by appearance or being alone yet is not
and in manga/asians comics? I can already think of 3, 2 of which hit a very specific nieches of mine i have a preference for
The time i got reincarnated as a slime
Im a spider so what? (I really adore spiders and in this manga the protagonist is one!)
Skeleton Soldier couldnt protect the dungeon (I LOVE necromancy as a concept in fiction and I almost always go for the necromancer in any videogame IF possible, btw, this is an asian comic, not a manga.)
but to be fair, i dont follow western comics at all
I Actually prefered to watch One piece as a preschooler over watching age appropriate western tv shows cause the story was soo much more interesting.
@@firebladeentertainment5739 , NightCrawler from X-Men comics, Blackheart from Ghost Rider comics, and Raven from Teen Titans comics are the only comic books where Demonic individuals suffers from prejudices of being born a Demonic person like in the Naruto One-Shot manga series, but you’re right if it were modern writers writing a series with Raven as the main leader of Teen Titans then they’d have Raven pegging Beast Boy; them making Raven a Mary-Sue, and them showing Raven either murdering the entire Teen Titans, or her being an edgy emo that hates on the entire Teen Titans cast.
@@TheAutistWhisperer have you read comic book called block 109
its like fallout and wolfenstein meets man in the high castle really good book i highly recommend you to read it
"Girls have always read comics." must be used as mantra.
"Girls have always read manga." is just a completely mundane observation.
It's just like "half of the gamers are female".
@@WannabeShady90 I mean, that's true. It's just girls tend to have different tastes(RPGs, casual mobile), so the ones you do see in hardcore fps games are rare.
America: **Desperately tries to make the most compelling story only to fail because of bad writing and political influence**
Japan **Makes a Manga about golf and somehow makes it good**
@@lillyreilly4659 I don't think censorship is as much of a problem to begin with. Yes, it does affect things, but never really to the point of being the main one. Manga, or any eastern graphic novels in general, also have a lot of censorship in them, yet they still manage to produce good, or heck, better stories.
For example, one of the largest manga publishers is Shueisha , a company infamous for immediate canceling of works they don't approve of. Even works that are in the middle of on-going arcs, if Shueisha doesn't like it, you better pray that they spare you for a week or two. And it's not like the Japanese audience approves of this shitty behaviour as well, no, they hate it just as much as we do. Shueisha just doesn't give a fuck.
Political influence destroy comic, comic just for fun and the producer don't know how to make it fun for they reader around the world.
Feminism, LGBTQ , WOKE, throw them at the garbage, fun don't eat this.
Exactly mangaka. Aren’t trying to force stuff down your throat. And can just make a fluent and good story. Mangaka can literally make a god like story about people who want a fruit. Mangaka can literally make a story about people in a horse race. Mangaka can literally make a compelling story out of anything. While in America it’s all just the same woke bs, about rights and privilege.
I think it's more because manga artists are more independent they create their own strories and own world
When there is originality and creativity
Product will be much more intriguing
Mostly all comics artists become part of comics universes like marvel or dc
Try Watchmen graphic novel
One of the best
The story isn't related to 1000 different universe and superheroes but rather tell it's own story
Comic is boring to me because it has no ending you know if superman die he will come back
Batman who has no power is still fighting even though character was created in 1950s
Imagine if kira and L were milked like batman no one would call Death note a masterpiece
And the nice thing is, even if manga is separated into categories, you can still hop into whichever one you like! I personally always go into the shounen category, despite being a girl, because I know what to expect from the books. I might watch a shoujo, and I always know to expect something sappy. Having categories doesn't segregate people, it just makes it easier to find what you want.
Same, im more into shonen and seinen than shojo. The only(I think?) shojo im a fan of is an idol anime. Shojo genres are sometimes too predictable for me, so, yeah. Even so, not all shonen appealing to me.
Looking at your username, and I am imagining an alternate timeline where our favorite talking, gluttonous, sometimes cowardly sometimes courageous canine was born a girl.
Agreed. I own a variety of anime. From His and Her Circumstance, Ourin High, and Fruits Basket, to Wolf's Rain, Love Hina, and Berserk. I don't care about genre, if the synopsis is good enough, I'll try whatever.
idk why but the word sappy made me burst out laughing. I'm gonna use it from now on
Eh, those demographics are just titles. A silent voice is a shonen, despite feeling shojo; chainsaw man is a shonen, despite feeling seinen; kaguya sama is a seinen, despite feeling shonen; etc.
One of my favorite mangas of all time is "Yotsuba&!" where you're just literally watching the daily life of a 5-year old girl. Manga just makes something mundane feel so epic and worthwhile.
My favourite Slice Of Life manga. Its just so calming. The author and the composer of Azumanga Daioh OST make an album of Yotsuba&! OST. Even though there is no anime yet. I can imagine every single moment of whats happening in the manga just by listening to the OST. Its shows that manga really is interesting.
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Sounds almost like Rugrats and I mean that in a good way. Rugrats took the idea of toddlers/babies seeing(mostly) mundane stuff, but from their POV. Going to a gas station on the way to the Grand Canyon, Ice Cream Mt golf course, and Stew's robo toys.
Dude I remember buying 2 chapters of it. Yes it's just about daily life of a child. But the writer finds a way to make daily life looks fun
I manage a warehouse where everyone manually lift heavy boxes and stacks them all day long in a hot building. I asked for 12 guys from a temp agency and she emailed me back on that I didn't mention females. I corrected her by being specific because I KNEW she was pulling some kind of roundabout sexist angle and asked her, can you get me 12 people that can work long hours lifting 60 lbs boxes all day without help if necessary and she ended up sending me 12 guys...as per my original request. I was not looking for skinny people and a lot of women of average build cannot handle heavy shit. Average men will
I work in the same kind of job. We have exactly one female on our shift, and she can hold her own! But she is pretty unique.
@@APsychicMonkey yes and that's the point. Not all woman can do heavy lifting but a lot of men can
sociolinguistically speaking, "guys" have been used to mean men and women (specially when young people are involved). If you say "You guys need to clean the trash." or "Guys gather around." and about 50% are women/girls, you can be refeing to both males and females. I don't know this has changed in the last 5 years, but it was the case before.
@@icarue993 But to "some people", they wanna push the gender equality angle on jobs that are meant for "people" with specific physical traits
@@Excalibur01 They just want to argue semantics. Words have always being defined by their use (maybe it will change, but I doubt it). Nerds use to be derrogatory, nerds owns it, now it a good word; same with alomst anything else. You don't worry about the definition of nerd, just the use.
This is what I love about Manga versus Comics, it's easy to find Volume one and start from the beginning of a story you've never read. In comics you really have to dig just to find the older comics and start from the beginning and even then it's not easy finding all of the issues leaving a blank. With Manga I've never had trouble finding the next chapter or starting from the beginning.
Not to burst your bubble or anything but this is because Comics and Manga have completely different layouts. Manga usually only tells one story (I'm saying usually because I'm not aware of any spinoffs of any manga) whilst comics have stories retold, reset, restarted. IMO and I think most people can agree but you read comics because of the team or character. Corporate comics such as Marvel & DC have thousands of characters and their own stories to tell, while manga is essentially just one big story with their characters in it. For example, I like Deadpool and hes my favorite marvel character, Have I read every one of his comics start to finish? No. Comics are like oneshots, there are multiple stories and they don't all necessarily align with eachother. You just have to find something you care about within them.
@@176gumi doesn't matter what the layout is, this is an ease of access issue. As someone who likes to start from the beginning of a story I'd like to start from the very first issues and travel through the stories until it reaches the retelling then decide if I want to read that retelling. But Comics do not make it easy at all to do that where as manga is so easy to find the first chapter and start. Yes Comics are more complicated, but that has nothing to do with how available the older issues are. If I see a character or team I like I want to see their story from the beginning, I hate starting in the middle or the 2nd, 3rd, 4th retelling. I did eventually find some of the earliest comics on Marvels site but they do have missing issues, it's been a ew years since then I don't know if they've fixed it or not but it's too annoying to sort out so I'm done with western comics.
comics are based on issue to issue storytelling, where you need context, which may or may not still be avaliable. Manga generally has more pages per book, making it easier to find missing chapters, and makes it easier for someone, who just picked up a random volume, to understand the basic plot and what the story is about.
@@phantoknight34if a comic has the number 1 on it, you could read it without context. Why do you think Spider-Man has so many storyline’s and universes. You can see this in how despite Scott pilgrim has three very different adaptions, you don’t really need much context to enjoy all of them. Comics do not require much context except what their origin story is but this can be debated because they aren’t really brought up unless the story unless the story is based around it. The problem with comics is that marketing tends to show the diversity rather than the actual story. I know it isn’t a comic but Elemental was great but it was marketed as a typical woke movie about racism.
Western comics: *p o l i t i c s* and everyone being diverse for the sake of diversity with no story.
Manga/Light Novel: Story about a man who reincarnated as a *normal* yet sentient vending machine in a medival fantasy setting who explores the land with a girl.
Tell me which is much more interesting.
surprisingly i find the sentient vending machine more interesting for some reason
@@Payload82 funnily enough, there’s actually a manga like that
you know there's like politics in your manga too.... do you really not see anything political about stuff like one piece full metal and trigun
@@enjoe3837 WAIT WHAT! WHAT IS NAME OF THE MANGA?
@@fistpump64 there is but the good ones like OP use themes like racism and slavery to enhance its story using moral themes and not leaning into specific political views.
I think a huge problem with when looking at American comics is that people tend to look a super hero stories rather then actual graphic novels which can be absolute masterpieces but unfortunately get ignored.
people only see comics as superhero shit when it is a lot more then that but it’s just the most the popular thing for comics are superhero shit so it’s like what do you keep advertising?
I dunno any comicbook reader, even superhero genre lovers, should just skip Marvel DC modern bullshit, and read other comics, there is lot of good comics being released right now by smaller publishers like Image comics or Boom! studios.
I'd say Walking Dead is one of my favorite ones.
@@localhobo5362 I love reading smaller and indie companies shit it’s just fun to read especially IDW stuff
You mean, like Gotham High?
My conclusion after watching LD for a while:
People tend to like a work because of its good craftsmanship, and we analyse them in _pursuit of perfection._
We talk about what we like and dislike, because we hope that us ourselves or others will create a work that is even better in the future.
The "woke" industry on the other hand, because diversity and inclusion are concepts _"perfect"_ by their very nature, believe their work to be _already perfect._
Thus, they don't improve and hate criticism.
I could go on, but that's the gist of it!
I can definitely get behind that. There are glaring flaws I can identify in my favorite series. I love them *despite* that, but can still *talk about* those problems. If a fan tried to so analyze a "woke" series, they'd probably be labeled something nasty, *even if they were a fan of the work in question*.
That about sums it up, minus a smattering of nepotism. 'cause it's not just the story writing, they're also hiring people based on politics and identity.
And when you're hired because you're a well known lesbian or something (EG: Ruby Rose being hired for Batwoman), then why put any effort in? You can't be more of a lesbian, and that's what you're being judged on. Not acting talent. (Fun fact: Some Tumblr types Did harass Ruby Rose for not being gay enough. Because she's actually bisexual and the character is a lesbian.)
As far as they are concerned, yes, their comics ARE perfect, even if they sold zero comics, they still accomplished their goal of "furthering the cause".
Also manga: cancelled cheat slayer because of "parody" and "reason"
@@kasrkin100 a lot of stories are being axed, but that's alright, I know a certain mangaka that started off with a very lackluster concept, only to develop it further, which later becoming popular franchise to this day.
I do believe, in most cases, people forget what equality actually means. It is everyone’s unique needs being met, as different and varied as each individual. Manga has something for everyone, that is equal. American comics want everyone to read the same thing, that is not equal.
It feels as though they are metaphorically burning our books, and erasing our history. There is nothing but the party, the party is always right.
This take is a bit biased, American comics do have things for everyone, it's not just the corporate superheros that are all what comics are.
Reminds me of Dostoyevsky's book Demons, where there's nothing except "the common cause" that everyone talks about but everyone is just going along with it.
@@176gumi show me then, show me comics about fishing or golf. FULL GREAT STORY WITH SO MUCH DETAIL THAT FIT TO REAL LIFE ONLY ABOUT FISHING/GOLF/VOLLEY/DIVING/MARTIAL ARTS/SWIMMING. If you can't find one then, this take is not biased. just show me story that make who's doing martial art saying "ohhhhh this shit is so fcking relatable"
@@176gumithere might be other stuffs out there in the American comic book scene, but for the general populace, the thing that comes to your mind when you heard 'American comics' are probably the superheroes from Marvel or DC right? Meanwhile when someone says 'manga', chances are you're not just gonna think about 1 or 2 series or companies, but also their many kinds of genres, like you're not gonna think that there's only action/superheroes in it, but there are some cutesy stuffs, weird ones, supernatural ones, etc. I know that there are many kinds of comics in America too, but the ones I know are mostly web series that indie creators made and posted in a non-american platform like Webtoon or Tapas. I don't think I know any that matches Marvel and DC's popularity if we're talking abt American comics
Finn was criminally underused. He had SO. MUCH. POTENTIAL. He could have become a founding member of a New Jedi Order. He could have started an elite fighting unit (using his military training). He could have become a leader of the Resistance. He could have died for the cause, bravely sacrificing himself for his friends. Instead, he got put on a bus.
I was hoping he would become a Jedi and not rei(God she sucked) I wanted Finn and I thought that was what the story was leading to in the trailers but noo! Women power fantasy and reilo and crap!!
Honestly, as a black man, that quote by John Boyega was so true, so many of these companies would get a black person to just say they have a black person, as opposed to having an actual character in mind, so what was the point? It's obvious they wanted to push the black agenda and the feminist agenda, but somewhere along the line they only wanted to continue to push their feminist agenda, so since Finn didn't matter to them as an actual character beyond the agenda, he basically stopped existing.
They did him so dirty, the concept of an ex storm trooper is so interesting, but they never did anything with it, I wanted to see backstory, i wanted to know how they are trained, I wanted rivalries with other troopers, I wanted him to do and know things only a storm trooper would know. Instead they turned him in to just another boring rebel who mowed down his former comrades like faceless nobodies.
Maybe he could have taught the resistance the tactics and battle strategies to flank or trap them
Finn had a better potential character arc then Ray but they never did anything past the first movie. Honestly I would have preferred Finn as the main protagonist. Seeing a former trooper questioning the organization he works for then deciding to turn against it then deal with fighting people he knows or even may have once been on good terms with. Would have been cool even if he never became a jedi.
"Wanting to improve one's skills, rather than assuming everyone is just a bigot. What a novel idea, this manga creator has."
This has to be the sickest burn of the entire American/Western entertainment industry, and the saddest because of how true it is.
Of course I’m a bigot.
The interesting part is while manga is divided into recommended genres, they’re not excluding anyone either. I’ve seen plenty of males interested in some magical girl series and some Shojo while seeing females be interested in Shonen. And the best part is with how they’re not trying to exclude people, is that rather manga creators typically like any support they get.
These days with modern Western comics, I get the distinct impression that the current writers are actively trying to push people away, not only based on the included politics, but also the shallow writing and attempts to appeal by basically going “WE HAVE THIS KIND OF CHARACTER, LOOK AT US!”
It’s why I’ve been a dedicated manga fan for decades now. Manga doesn’t try to push people away, it simply wants you to enjoy what’s being offered.
The good thing about shoujo genre is because they are different. So for guy that might feel like reading a romance story they get what they want and etc
One of my favorites shoujo/josei mangas is Chihayafuru
Funnily enough, the most common Shonen I saw girls being interested in was Jojo.
Yeah I’m almost certain that the audience of women that the woke comics want to reach are watching some type of shonen anime
Is that a walfa pfp?
I really do not think that Tolkien, or Martin, or even Rowling wrote for a target group. I think they wrote about things that they wanted to create. They just wrote stuff that they liked and other people liked it too.
Well ther is a target. Fantasy. Thats a certain geoupnof people who like imagination.
If it was horror, etc.. it wouldn't have been the same.
the virgin " AHHHHH the president must be tough and wise and uh friendly " comic
the chad " haha president got pink clothes and pink bunny as his power " manga
Very (FUNNY)
@@adliiyadhafizan5669 cultured
me when sees 14 year old
Funny Valentine!!
It's that a Jojo reference?
Modern western comics also tend to ignore or even skip the Hero's Journey. Everything is handed to them or they start out with it. No struggle, no real thrill of adventure, just here's everything you want/need, now go spread this agenda."
But they also do this in the worst way.
One Punch Man, for example, ALSO starts "after" the Hero's Journey. Saitama already has trained enough, and achieved his initial goal of being the literal strongest hero. The difference is, unlike the western comics hero who will now constantly just preach whatever agenda the writer wishes to convey, the character of Saitama is now fully on a self-discovery journey, to learn what it is he actually wishes to do with this power, and with his life. His internal struggle and questioning is the main focus of the story, while he absentmindedly annihilates all evil in front of him, never mentioning any real world politics at all.
Story over preaching. Method over shoehorned diversity. Craft over pandering. These things should be praised, not demonized. That is what Manga understands that Comics writers willfully deny.
As always, another 10/10 video essay LD. I look forward to the next one!
Such an excellent comment. Another favorite of mine.
They have the hero's journey in one punch man. Just not Saitama's hero's journey (if we disregard flashbacks.)
there are Superman stories that do that
As a person reading online novels, it's not 'western' thing, nearly all of the new and aspiring writers do the same mistake diving into their power-fantasy and forgetting that it's not the end that's important, but the journey.
'Western' publisher's mistake is that they select their new authors based on how vocal they are and not on their talent of writing or literacy.
Even based only on the picture of this vide (because I don't follow the authors as much as their work), in the US the interview is visual - are you white or minority, male or female, do you have red hair, piercings and tattoos with the right slogan. The candidate with highest diversity points is published.
They write about what they know. Most of these diversity hires haven't worked to be where they are. THey just happened to be the right sexuality/skin color. People work their whol lives at perfecting the art of writing, but yet people like the writer of "America chavez" get to write their first comic for marvel? Seems pretty racist and bigot like to me.
*Star and Stripe gets revealed in My Hero Academia*
Even the Japanese are doing American's better then the American's
And the Americans are doing Japanese the worst
Bro she is single handedly better than American heroes
@@soul_in_search_of_enlightm2131 i don't have high hopes for her character because i think she's gonna die (even tho it could maybe be a Mirko bis where she's ultra badass) but her design is AWESOME she looks so cool !
spoiler
her power is basically /command
@@pututunik8748 HAHA best way to put it
As a Japanese manga fan, I would like to see manga creation activities flourish in other countries. If manga artists can make a living from their country's own manga magazines, I think that other countries will be able to create content that is as good as Japan. It seems interesting to read manga with a foreign culture background. France and America have their own manga culture, so I think they are countries with great potential.
Wish Brazil also had.
Thou there is some Mangakas who aren't japanese, but if it is not from japan, then they are not manga, they are just comics, even if the style matches.
Still laughing about how mythological Loki is so much wilder than these woke puritans could ever dare to emulate
Did he shag a horse??? And something about 8 legs??
@@queeny5613 even better. He was SHAGGED by a horse
Most God, Greek, Norse and such God's got up to so much messed up stuff haha
@@terrykrugii5652 so many questions
@@queeny5613 the story behind is he shapeshift into a female horse (i forgot a reason) and forgot to that there's a male horse near him that us in heat
I like the discussion about how people relate to characters because of their story arc and not necessarily because they are male or female. As a female one would think I would identify with Princess Leia instead of Luke Skywalker, but that wasn't the case. The reason was, l was once a bored teenager just like Luke was on Tatooine. Leia was a female like me, but I was never a princess. I felt closer to Luke despite the difference in gender.
yup leia is an accomplished princess, and a leader. That is so not me, i care obi and han solo more because i love their character arc. leia is great, she just dont resonate to me as much as these 2 character
@@newpage4096 , Slave Leia, Queen Amidala, Mara Jade, and Darth Talon are all female characters in Star Wars that I like more than Princess Leia, Askoha, and Rey.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Slave Leia and Princess Leia are the same fucking character. what?
@@VesperEm , Slave Leia is a badass space princess like the Leia in Star Wars Legends whereas the Leia in the OG Trilogy wasn’t a badass as Star Wars Legends Leia and Slave Leia even in the events of A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.
This
Comic: this girl is now the new wolverine because we need variety.
Manga: *this woman is a cold, heartless abomination due to having litterally jumped into several sections of the abyss for the sake of collecting artefacts, which has mutated her body to the point that she is capable of taking tons of damage and beating someone to death at the exact same time. with her bare hands.*
Exactly
Manga: Ozen is also very tall.
Weebs: GIMME!
Also weebs after hearing her absolute madness of a description: spank me mommy!
bondrewd says, "subarashii"
Don't forget that despite likely suffering from immense trauma, she still goes out of her way to guard what is basically the mouth of Hell itself to try and stop people from getting themselves killed needlessly.
I can't help but say that this is a job well done going into depth on each perspective when it comes to this controversial topic.
Ayy, finally a checkmark, congrats
Yo didn't expect to see you here.
It really does. I watched to the end and I found myself agreeing even though I was disagreeing at first.
@@edcaous Can I ask what were you disagreeing with?
You probably won't see this comment but can I ask what your view is on this? He personally still feels too biased to me
You know what the funny thing is, Japanese Manga was originally based off of American Comics.
American animations, actually. Tezuka's influences came from Walt Disney and Max Fleischer.
@@aquapendulum I mean the two most influential mangaka were inspired by Western works. Tezuka and Toriyama both were influenced by Disney and Comics respectively. And it's ironic how manga's completely outselling comics rn.
@@bigenson18 Mangas outselling comics because it's truer to what comics were previously. Actual stories with depth. Its why so many media's are failing here in the west because for every interesting story there's 20 woke muh inclusionz stories. And what's even more frustrating is that when you complain that characters have become shallow and boring husks they scream at you call you a bigot etc and say WELL ITS CUZ THEY ARE A POC OR FEMALE OR GAY etc when that's litterally not the case. I grew up watching shows like Powerpuff girls, teen titans totally spys etc all of which had either unique, strong, or complex female character leads that I looked up to. The shit now a days is woefully different
It’s funny honestly, they were originally based off of American comics now they’re outselling comics; good, let the woke corporations eat themselves.
They were never based on comics they were inspired by it
Japanese story telling is different then the west so they are not same...japan has its own craft when it comes to writing comics
It's honestly strange to me that people can't seem to understand that "not everything is for everyone, and that's okay, because it's caused by personal taste and preference, nothing more". I play videos games, a lot, and I can name TONS of genres or series that I have no interest in, but I don't expect those games to change to make me happy, because I understand there's a lot of people who DO like those games, and dislike the ones I like. Same goes with movies, music, books, literally anything. Trying to please everyone does nothing but make something so bland and flavorless that no one likes it.
Whoa. This is so well put together.
It happened to me with Celeste. I usually play stealth and racing genre. And yeah, Celeste is an indie platformer and it is so good I finally finish after 3500 deaths
@@daffayudono4071 I suck at that game, but very much agree that it's great!
If only Anita Sarkeesian agreed with u lol
Very agreed. I much prefer having some masterpieces like Deltarune or Omori than having it appeal to, say, the Dominions or Dwarf Fortress playerbases, which are also outstanding. I just wish that the Shooter crowd branched out a lil' more
I rewatched some anime yesterday, it was "The Rising Of Shield Hero", and "Beastars"
Both came from female authors
Both have moderately successful anime and manga sales
Both have complex, interesting, and solid characters
Both of it... I enjoy very much
Can't say the same with forced wouke shite the DC and Marvel writer did
@@penaldotapinaldo1713 and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the MHA fandom is getting a bad reputation, and it shows in the immaturity of some of their members.
@@ryzkyjaeger07 lmfao, I don't even like mha, I thought that was obvious from pfp
@@penaldotapinaldo1713 this is a very terrible way of persuading people to watch other anime
@@blitzm4nn511 ok
@@penaldotapinaldo1713 hmm so you insult other shows just because someone likes them?
This is why I quit comic books and actually am getting into Anime and now immersed into the world of D&D. No politics, no agendas. Just good storytelling
Goblin Slayer and Konosuba are basically two very different animated D&D campaigns. I recommend both shows if you haven't seen em.
They'll soon get there. Girl only dungeons or something.
Ain't no way you just said anime is not political
@@ozziemodeus7341 ain't no way you're saying anime is political bro I'm an American yet I ain't even think this 😆
Ain't no way you just said anime has no agendas.
I mean... in case of Loki it makes sense at least. But the fact that she made him bisexual because she's bisexual is still somewhere between arrogant and concerning.
If anything, Loki is pan-sexual. He literally does not care who/what he fucks or who/what he's being fucked by.
@@MinqApoc That's not what pansexual means lol
@@nothinginteresting7558 "Pansexuality is sexual, romantic, or emotional attraction towards people regardless of their sex or gender identity." Literally what pansexual means.
@@MinqApoc You put a who/what in your comment implying that he's pan because he fucks non-human beings when that's really not what pansexual means. Pretty sure pansexual people do not fuck a "what", just a "who"
@@nothinginteresting7558 it's a what too in the mythology
American entertainment (yes, I’m looking at you, Hollywood) seems to want to kill the idea of demographics, but to the cost of trying to be everything to everyone whilst somehow being nothing at all. “Inclusion” simply means: throw everything the kitchen into the soup, it doesn’t have to make sense to or be cohesive to the flavor. If it has everything, everyone will like it.
7/10 “it has a little something for everyone” -IGN
-p.s. I almost forgot to mention the prevalence of anonymous manga writers in Japan for many reasons. To them, death of the author is everything as the craft speaks for itself. Extremely little is known about Koyoharu Gotouge, the writer of Demon Slayer, but that has barely shown a hindrance to the manga's success. If no one knows who you are, you are free to create any story about any ideas and about any subject, you can make it big as long as your stuff sells.
There's also an issue of the paparazzi, stalking, and especially death threats. A mangaka who has a popular series can encounter so much of it.
it's the classic adage : chase two rabbits at once and you will get none of them
@@corycianangel6321 haa. ... so basically the life of Kohei Horikoshi creator of my hero academia?
Sake Sithole Yes, exactly.
I hated it when you mentioned some of these SJW's think that men shouldn't be able to write for female characters, because it's super sexist to me to imply men aren't capable of writing compelling female characters or having good ideas for them
I have never seen more compelling, realistic characters that Nankidai's cast from the game Your turn to die. It's a dude, i think.
Ironic isn't it? Claiming against sexism but they're sexist themselves. Those losers are not clowns they're the entire circus.
I love that manga is so diverse that my favorite manga is Monster (a story of a brilliant surgeon embarking on a journey to kill a boy he saved, but was revealed to be evil incarnate) while my best friend's favorite manga is Monster Musume (an ecchi harem fantasy of a boy with several buxom monster girls vying for his affection), and yet we still feel a sense of camaraderie when discussing manga.
"I have representation in every one of my stories: human. Humans are represented. So if you feel like you're not being represented or can't identify with any of the characters, that's telling... about you."
Whenever anyone complains about a lack of representation in my stores.
COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF.
Amazing comeback my friend, wish I thought of it
how about non-humans who aren't supposed to think or act human?
@@613-shadow9 You mean those "people" who identify as unicorns or use the pronoun xur? Well, they're a bunch of idiots from Tumblr/Twitter, so their opinions don't matter.
@@613-shadow9 Don't worry. Orcs are there too. Even aliens like Namekians.
I'm a DC fan, but what they've done recently hurt my heart.
Same
Same here too
Welcome to the club, we have jackets
I loved DC. I was so much of fan of DC heroes I was, at one time, surprised that Marvel was actually more popular lol
@@LiteratureDevil I blame the movies D.C to me at least had the better characters and stories
When demon slayer literally the most generic shonen manga outsells comics that are always trying to be "NEW", then you know that it's very bad for the comic industry.
I like old things better because of this personally. As a woman who is LGBT, Michael Turner is an amazing artist and he is one of my art influences. I love the 90s American comics art style and I don’t think it’s sexist at all to portray women as fully grown sexually empowered adults.
@@miriamreinhardt8939 I have never read comics but from the superhero movies I've watched, a lot of things feel forced. Females try too hard to earn respect instead of being themselves. Female characters in anime like demon slayer or jujutsu kaisen act like themselves. And themselves are really likable and quirky. Even when they try to prove something it feels genuine and not tryhard. Even something as simple as wanting a family(mitsuri), avenging her sister(kocho), or living a rich and fancy life(nobara). I feel genuine respect for them and think they're awesome.
Ps. there are exceptions like Wonderwoman, Blackwidow, etc...
You mean comics that are trying to be ''WOKE''.
@@sipunks because they always masked being woke with being "new".
It’s not that Generic, Demon Slayer is pretty solid!
One major factor is the fact that you pick up a manga on volume 1 and know to just pick up the next volume and you won’t get lost.
Whereas comics you need to read multiple comics that may not even be part of the comic line you picked up to even understand anything.
It’s a big factor I feel
What’s interesting about Tears and Fears it kind of explains why my hero academia is so popular with women. When the 3rd movie came out in theaters the census was that 75% of viewers were women in their 20’s. Given that Horikoshi written my hero academia expertly so that both genders can find interest in the series.
most girls i know that watch my hero have said “todoroki is so hot”
@@legomeaker101potato yeah it’s the shippers. Especially most girls like the whole classroom setting.
The same thing for Sengoku Basara, the game originally made for man but due to young handsome mostly male protagonist, it attracted a lot of woman. Predominately Fujoshi. it even surpass man that they dont want to add more female character to cater fujoshi.
That gets to the end quote about being a rockstar for 1,000 than bland for 1,000,000. Writing a *good* piece of genre fic will shine through, even if it's not the exact genre "meant" for someone. Preferences aren't ironclad, but a *good* shounen is going to appeal to women more than a by-the-numbers "generic" story meant to appeal to everyone.
The rockstar comparison is apt; pretty much everyone has songs they like from genres they don't, because the sheer quality combined with certain aspects (evocative lyrics, maybe) get them on board. But you don't see a lot of that coming out of modern "mass produced" pop music; in designing around "ear worm" factor and broad appeal, you end up with a product that won't attract people who aren't "into" pop.
To be honest though, Japanese women mostly choose what anime and characters they like mostly due to voice actors.
21:10 my first introduction to Manga was about a kid playing Go.... Yeah, they have a way of telling stories that while mundane, are engaging.
Making the mundane exciting is a good mark of a good writer.
Vagabond manages to make farming exciting enough that it could inspire a man to go pump ten tons of iron.
Ah Hikaru no Go, until today I dont know how to play that, but I remember that story
Yes, the good thing with manga is that you could find almost about any kind of hobby as the cental theme, and not just the subject itself the style of the storytelling also varies, if you want something more down to earth or over the top jutsu for every touchdown. You're into sport? Got it, swimming volleyball gambling playing cards all of it exists. Want to immerse in an occupation? Surgeon astronaut shopkeeper to family restaurant waiters, they got it too. Want to get lost in fantasy world? Gorey titans, pirates, cattle orphans, raising Harpies hell you could even be slimes yourself. Want something historical? They got kingdom drama, reimagined hot samurais, period romance specifically centered around edwardian maids daily life and romances, any kind of thing. Or even if you just want mundane slice of life you could choose an array of setting,
There is something for anyone
As a girl, I'm actually fine with soft girls or girls who relied on guys because not everyone has to be independent. A good example is Mitsuri Kanroji from Demon Slayer she has so many traits to be independent herself but wants to be a wife because it makes her happy and is her dream ever since she was young. As long as all of their motivations and goals aren't for one person all the time I'm actually fine with it. In American comics women characters are just either female versions of male characters or just 'women better, men bad'.
Manga also has better diversity than comics like Blue Period, a shounen manga that includes a genderqueer character that is into both men and women. Or that isekai harem anime My next life as a villainess includes queer characters and is treated normally.
Comics randomly adds diverse characters out of nowhere because everyone is doing it. While the manga was already planned from the beginning to end.
IKR, yuka-chan is well-written! She doesn't exist for being represent of LGBTQ+ community only. She has personality and her own struggle as well. I hope tsubasa-sensei will write about her more and more, I really adore yuka-chan 💖💖💖
((P.S. yuka-chan has her own insta account too, she breaks the forth wall to reaching us already XD))
Also chainsaw man pretty much has a lesbian character and in fire punch they have a trans dude… the fact that I see better representation in manga instead of comics is sad.
Sailormoon is also one of the first animes who included lesbian and trans (in a way) characters that has been part of the plot eversince (like one of the commenters said here). That's why I love how Japanese minds work. I know I'm a little bit biased but from what I've seen they are not afraid to topics that are deemed as "taboo" way back when lgbt was still not that accepted openly worldwide. I remembered in an article I read that in the US dubbed version, neptune and uranus was depicted as cousins when they are clearly lovers and that the last season of Sailormoon was not aired in the US because of the Starlights (they are in a way representation for trans). Funny thing is kids in our generation wouldn't give a damn about it because we just love the characters as they are (and of course some, like me, crushing on Mamoru)
@@j.a.n.covers94 Honestly still don't get why mental illness ,became so praised these days.
@@tatfly5779 Care to elaborate?
As a girl, what I look for in a story is interesting and well-developed characters, deep philosophical undertones, action and adventure, and strong world building, but that’s what I like. Not everyone has to have the same tastes! I love the variety manga presents, because it makes it easier for me to find the stuff I enjoy!
May I interest you in NieR: Automata? Cause, that game checks every box you mentioned, even if not a manga, but rather a game.
There's a manwha not (not a manga) that i'd like to recommend it's called Omniscent's Reader's Veiwpoint it's AMAZING
There a really good manga you probably haven’t heard of called jojo’s. It has great writing ( mainly part 7 and 8)
What's really sad is that American writers can't even see that a persona can like multiple genres. I love stories of magic and might, desperate battles against darkness, and good triumphing over evil... but I also like some romance every now and then.
For people who demand others to be more “open-minded”, they sure do tend to be very “narrow-minded”, don’t they?
I broke your 69 likes (sorry).
True but the reason you don't see them is because they are apparently way less popular.
Manga's proof of strength in story can be seen in "Inuyasha". The whole plot is basically an action series wrapped around a love triangle subplot. Yet, the themes, characters, and story are written so well that I don't think a single GUY would be able to put it down once they're a few episodes in. It's in the shonen genre, but I'd say half the characters and villains are drawn like it was a shojo.
I always see Inuyasha as a Unisex Anime. Its a great Anime with amazing music.
And the author is FEMALE
Inuyasha was one of the first anime I ever saw as a kid back on Adult Swim, and I loved it, but I rewatched it as a teenager, and honestly, it doesn't hold up for me because it gets too repetitive, but I remember a thought I had was "this whole time I thought this was an action show, but really it's a love story", it is impressive how they blended that so well together that it took me so long to realize.
The author was a girl, and she definitely intended it to be shojo, with action packed in it.
Nah, I put it down after about twenty-thirty episodes. The author is known as one of the top harem shoujo manga writers, and after an amount of time, romances are focused on. Also, I' m tired of fan girls screaming they want to be fucked by 2d hot male massmurderers. There are a lot of nudity in whatever that female author working on. She liked bad boy male characters, spunky females and a lot of sex and violence. If the writer was male, there will be those that called the work misogynistic. I' m not a fan of her works, but loved it when authors got to write what they want. Japanese authors wrote for themselves first. They don' t pretend they can speaks for others. When one feminist asked her if she wrote Ranma 1/2 for feminism, she said no and she only wrote a comedy for the fun factor.
Even "Osake wa Fufu", a simple story about a loving bartender/house-husband making drinks for his office/carrer wife when she got home sounds more interesting than "I Am Not Starfire".
That story sounds interesting. Tell me more
I’m gonna add that one to my marked-for-later list! Thanks!
Looking this up! Thanks for the rec!
I always wish I had more time. I have 6 pending anime and 4 fics I gotta read. Thanks for the rec anyways
Noted. Sounds pretty cute.
It's funny because they would make an anime like Kill La Kill that feminists would probably immediately call sexist when it's actually very "girl power-based" with more likable and well-developed and fleshed out female characters than the woke comics and has better LGBTQ undertones as well.
Yup. I didn’t even realize myself that apparently it is hinted that Mako and Ryuko are into each other. A video pointed it out. I just thought they were good friends.
@@co7769 Yeah ik a lot of people interpret that way, they could be either or really
@@DaDualityofMan and also the main character being a tomboy with a super sexy outfit that's gets very lewd.
Pretty much
She isn't a tomboy she is a Sukeban.
To paraphrase Jordan Peterson: Art Explores. Propaganda dictates.
Nice! lol
Wow, bringing Araki-sensei's quotes is like using a Bazooka against a toothpick. Nice one.
if it's worth doing, it's worth over-doing. - said by someone.....probably.
Jojo's does a better job with diversity of characters than both DC and Marvel combined in the present day. Look at what Jojo gives us, there's a reason people love that show like it's the best damn piece of cake they've had all year. The story is great, is it perfect, no, no such perfection exists, everything has flaws. But Jojo's flaws aren't major problems, they're minor nitpicks, some could be seen as bigger from a writing perspective, but overall it doesn't matter much. Cause the story and characters didn't really suffer much if at all from said flaws. Meanwhile the flaws in western media such as Captain Marvel or Last Jedi, are intrinsic to the story and characters, it's not characters with flaws, but flawed characters. The story doesn't have bad parts due to one or more plot points being iffy, it's that the whole story is bad because so much of the plot points are shallow, boring, uninspired, or downright detrimental to the original content that it just leads to fewer and fewer people liking anything about it.
This is why despite it's flaws, Jojo's is one of those amazing works that makes people become ingrained in the fandom of it. You hear on numerous places "Is that a Jojo reference" to the point it's a meme, the poses done in the show are ridiculous but we love it all the same. You don't watch Jojo's and then expect to get emotional during certain scenes just because initially you just thought the show was weird, only to get attached to certain characters and then cry when tragedy strikes. That doesn't really exist in these woke freaking stories, you don't care about these people, cause they're so shallow and poorly written you just write them off entirely. But even despite Jojo's being bizarre, the characters and story are well written so you actually care, you get attached, to everything. I mean just look a f**king Dio, you don't get a more worthy and well written villain compared to sh*t that comes out of modern marvel. Why it's so hard for these people to understand that a good story should come first, and that good characters that happen to be diverse, are so much better than diverse characters that either have no flaws or are just there, they exist, and that's about it.
Araki is good, but remember, Miura is the best
@@AxenfonKlatismrek not to me
Manga:hmm. Good story, we’ll written characters, fun action scenes. Should be a big hit!
Woke comics: well the characters are shallow, there’s not much story, it looks to be solely about the political message…this is gonna fly off the shelves!
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It flies off the shelves only to fall to the trash bin
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The funniest thing about how Japan markets their manga, is that even though they are marketed for specific age/gender demographics, there's a lot of diversity within those fanbases as well. Demon slayer and mha have the same amount of female readers as men, and many shoujo romances have a lot of male readers as well. There's no discrimination or ostracizing. And that's what's great about manga. The authors make their visions clear, and give you the choice to read what u want
I personally as a man actually enjoy Shoujo. While I do prefer shonen, I find that Shoujo takes a deeper dive into psychology of it's characters which I personally enjoy.
I've noticed this a long time ago and I'm not surprised. The western part of the world is so stuck on diversity that they forget the story or the story is just terrible. I've seen mangas towering over American comic books in stores.
It's so dumb that people think someone is some kind of "ist" and "phobic" because there's no character of a certain group that's in a show, book, and movie.
I don't care what skin color, nationality, ethnicity, and sexual orientation a character has. I just want a good story.
i noticed it too. they often think wokeness and diversity are what makes their product good, like 2016 Ghostbuster, the film flopped but they (the crew) so proud just because almost all of the crew are women
Let’s be honest, woke culture became toxic. Old comics had enough “wokeness” and wasn’t done in spite and didn’t feel like pandering. Manga feels more respectful to the diversity of characters and their arcs
i would like to add that the latest my hero academia movie in japan had an over 70% female audience in theatres, proving that even if a series is written for a certain audience (in this case boys) people outside of this target audience (in this case women) can still find enjoyment in these series and vice versa. simply having genres aimed at certain audiences is not the problem, it is the western portrayal that a show aimed at a certain audience is problematic because it isn't inclusive enough, or the opposite, that a genre is trying to dictate what certain groups of people should like to read which is the problem. as you said, the current western comic book market is leaning to heavy into writing every comic book for everyone instead of making different comics for every type of person. i believe it is a hypocritical act from the western comic book market to try to abolish the idea that a comic could be written for a targeted audience such as "boys" because it doesn't include everyone else or because it is telling the audience that this is what boys are supposed to like or that people other than boys cant enjoy it, only to then proceed to write comics which they claim is for everyone, which in turn tells EVERYONE that this is the kind of comic they are supposed to like and then proceeds to not include everyone else who doesn't like that kind of comic. and how do they treat the ones who doesn't like their comics? like they are the problem, not the comic itself. with manga and older western comic there was never an idea that a series written for a certain audience couldn't/shouldn't be enjoyed by people outside of that audience, but simply that the comic/manga itself was statistically more likely to appeal to that audience, but at the end of the day what mattered was "did the comic/manga sell?" regardless of who bought it.
Have you heard about stories like High School DxD and even Redo of Healer and their noteworthy female peripheral audience?
@@Dharengo yes :)
@@fandanga80 Crazy isn't it? Like I also completely understand it, but still kind of crazy.
@@Dharengo proves that not everything is appreciated by the "male gaze" alone, women have their own "gazes" and sexual/romantic fantasies which just aren't talked about
I see it as (somewhat) akin to Bronies
I love that manga can LITERALLY be about anything and they will find an audience because they are written by an individual who wants to tell a specific story.
Araki is truly a legend. Watching the JoJo anime for the first time changed my life and I realised how inferior most Western entertainment is in the current era. Which is sad and ironic because the animators and Mangakas of old were actually inspired by Western comic writers and illustrators of the past.
Yep. If not Disney and western comics we would have never got manga and anime the way it is now. And Tezuka was so diverse in his story telling that is insane. He has written a samurai story (Dororo), a story about a doctor (Black Jack) and WW2 story (Adolf I think?). those are just few examples.
Disney technically invented Manga by inspiring Osamu Tesuka to pen Astroboy💀
profile picture checks out. and yeah, mangas and animes (Jojo to be exact) opened my eyes to brand new stories I've never thought about. hell, there's a story about this dude who was cursed to have 100 lovers but he has to love all of them or they will die (Kimi no Koto ga Daidaidaidaidaisuki na 100-nin no Kanojo), or about a dude who reincarnated as a vending machine (Jidou Hanbaiki ni Umarekawatta Ore wa Meikyuu wo Samayou). Pretty bizarre for a story concept, rather than western media that oversaturated "political correctness" or "woke agenda"
@@DaakkuuYRS Toei was founded as “japanese Disney” or something like that went the quote
Is this a jojo reference
Love how black clover for example, addresses the little social issues of class. its doesn't turn you off, doesn't feel like there is an underlying political agenda.. Just seems like the writer wanted to get something morally good across to the readers
Note 1. New Gen
Or like in attack on titan when the king wanted to block refugees from the second circle to preserve their own resources.
Class systems are just part of their world and used as a plot device to support the story, not the other way around.
the whole second half of AoT is such a great criticism on propaganda, race, child soldiers, euthanasia, genocide and is able to do it not by derailing its story but by incorpeating in to it and actually enhancing it.
OHMYGOSH I love black clover, it is one of my favorite mangas ever
Something I thought about was that if Asta and Noelle(or Mimosa) got together wouldn't it be like an interracial couple getting together in segregation times? They would basically be the Richard and Mildred Loving of their world.
I think the problem is that the American comics model was exhausted by the refusal of ending their stories. Good stories have a beginning and an end; stretching the story ad infinitum uses up all the original inspiration and then it starts to show its age as more ridiculous plot twists (deaths, ressurrections, lost powers, regained powers, parallel universes etc.) are required to justify that artificial continuity. Good stories end! Good characters die or get old and mature, develop and have their natural cycle as all the other things do. They are trying anything today with the brands or franchises (there are no characters anymore) BECAUSE of the dynamics expressed above, the franchise-centered mentality ("we have to squeeze every dollar from the Batman sign or Superman badge forever!") instead of the character/story-centered one of the mangas. The franchise mentality ruined American comics long ago and just now they decided to sell them cheap for anyone who want to squeeze more of it by rebranding and marketing them to other niches. The "woke" comics are the latest consequence of a previously flawed concept of storytelling and not its cause. If telling the same old hero-journey story time after time were still working for then why would they change it?
Always a problem with serials…..at some point you need to move on. But they wanted to milk the same gooses forever.
Absolutely. My dad used to read comics in the 70s and 80s, but stopped since and refuses to get into the newer stuff, because as far as he's concerned, all the newer stuff is all spinoffs, and he just wants the OG stories. I, too, never really got into American comics because there are so many different series about the same select characters, I don't know where to start.
Aggree.. they are losing ideas how to renew the character so they playing side by siding woke culture that they thought has a lot of supporter so they can bring new readers
I think your take is the most accurate one I've read. This woke stuff invading the entertainment industry is just a symptom of a larger and much more overlooked problem: Franchising.
Even if they are already successful, companies want to use franchises to keep expanding, profiting, and searching for even more markets, and they'll come up with some pretty fucking weird ideas to try and accomplish that. Eventually, they'll try to cater to the widest range of consumers in an attempt to maximize profits. But what happens when businesses try to please everybody? They end up pleasing nobody. Instead of embracing the consumers that already enjoy their products, they keep chasing ones that never will, and the franchise just becomes a bland shell of its former self. This is one of the scenarios where the quote "It's better to die a hero than to live long enough to become the villain." rings absolutely true.
I hope more people see your comment, because most of the issues we're facing now are just symptoms of larger ones like this one.
Yeah, that's another problem of Modern American comics, which is while not as ridiculous as Woke bs, is already a long standing sickness of comics before the Wokeness infection, which is called "Neverending" stories of characters.