Can A Racist Character Be Heroic?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- An exploration into what seems to be a forgotten element among modern-day protagonists: Real Character Flaws. Gone are the days of the Byronic hero. No more James Bonds or Scarfaces. Now is the time of flawless heroes and dull "empowerment" campaigns.
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"I never thought I'd fight side by side with an elf"
"How about side by side with a friend?"
"Aye, I can do that"
So true!
Yes.
oh yes, on the point.
*die. "I never thought I'd die side by side with an elf". They'd been fighting side by side through the entire trilogy at that point. Dying is another matter. When all seemed lost, Gimli thought of the dishonor of dying side by side with an elf. Seeing that elf as a friend in his mind seems like a death worth dying in comparison.
Amazing how we are more accepting of racism when it's towards fictional races and beings all because it feels less close to home.
All summed up in one sentence from Skyrim:
"What is better? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
-Paarthurnax
Nice
How could anyone kill Paarthurnax when he said a line like that?
@@djwoody1649 It's why I never did.
the blades suck.
to kill him of crimes he committed thousands of generations ago is not justice but revenge. they failed to see that he changed and in that failed themselves
This is why I can't kill him.
"In Hollywood's quest for diversity, they have forsaken character flaws. If a writer portrays a female character as feeling afraid of something, that means they are sexist and think all women are weak." Great video!
See - this is why I write fantasy. I can have a noble Gnoll and and a cruel Tri-kreen.
That's why villains must be gender-neutral aliens, so that they don't offend anybody
@@nataliaborys1554 that would offend people that are not aliens and not gender neutral. You can't win against this bullshit
@@Awesome1094 Just why would people be offended that their group isn't potrayed as the villain?
@@nataliaborys1554 Ever heard of white Knights?
“You can’t make a Racist Character heroic!”
Clint Eastwood: “Hold my Gran Torino!”
Jhon wayne as ethan: Hold my saber kid
@Mashive Trailers lol, so youre also a man of culture?
@Mashive Trailers.-.
@Mashive Trailers good for you pal
joke is Eastwoods character wasn't really racist, much of his anger was from self hate from guilt. Liberals and anti-racists are too dumb to realize that.
"It's the virtues that make them admirable, but it's the flaws that make them human" can someone quote that for me plz?
Alright
B-but you just... *_did_* tho
Den of Cats but super man is not human he is kriptonian
@Andorian Nationalist
"Choosing one thing over another with enoygh information"
Indeed, anti-vaxxers believe they have enough of the correct information to do what's best by their children in respect to vaccines.
Even if I granted every point surrounding race realism & there's good reason not to. Who's to say that infornation won't be contradicted in the furture. I mean we once thought that disease was caused by an imbalance of the humours & that wasn't all that long ago. We once tbought that phrenology was a good predictive tool, until we realised it wasn't.
Can people hate for no reason? No we are generally subject to cause & effect. However can we hate for no good reason? Yes we see that happening all the time.
This is before we gett on to the issues surrounding cognitive biases. As Thucydides put it "When a man finds a conclusion agreeable, he accepts it without argument, but when he finds it disagreeable, he will bring against it all the forces of logic and reason."
*JoJo's Bizarre Advenutre: Battle Tendency* has a character who is literally a Nazi cyborg, yet is a hero beloved by the community.
Japanese media my friend...gotta love it. American media, nah...waycism is baaaad, whyte peeple bad, unless it's a racist black person or a whatever, then shit my nigga, that's good. Lol.
German science is the best in the world!
Implying that Araki didn't portray the Nazis as cartoonish Indiana Jones villains. Implying that holocaust denial wasn't rampant in Japan up to and through the late 90s. Implying that Japan doesn't have one of the shittiest track records in the world for acknowledging war crimes, unless they happen to be on the receiving end of them.
@@bw8696 All irrelevant in this case.
@@Lucitaur If you can point me to even one instance of Stroheim being racist in the anime, I'll admit that I'm wrong.
"If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world stay the same." - Batman
"Unless you kill like... a lot of em. Then the number decreases like, a heck ton." - Jason Todd
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thats not how it works
@@alfa01spotivo Lol I'm just quoting DC
@@alfa01spotivo i mean, technically
alfa01spotivo say there’s 5 killers on the loose. You kill two of them. How many are left? 3 or if you want to count yourself, 4. But it’s less than 5
Justsome Honeybear “a” means one
"I'll never forgive the Japanese!" - Joseph Jostar
Yeah, but my Nazist friend saved my life and entire globe - also Joseph Joestar
I also cheats on my wife and had a bastard child with a Japanese
-joseph joestar
-Being a friend with a Nazi
-cheating on his wife
-hating an entire race
Yet he's the most popular jojo
@@raul1476
He was also at some point, changed his gender. He the most diverse and the best anime character.
Was this before or after he impregnated a Japanese woman?
A hero forced to defend a people and land they he hates, no loathes. Now that's some story potential
Put your "racist hero" in a situation with an existential threat. It can be done.
R. Connor Shield Hero
Rising of the shield hero. next question
yang wenli, he probably would've bailed on his government a long time ago if he didn't have such great friends in the military
Yoo Helmut from Valkyria chronicles
"Can people that i disagree with be heroic?"
Yes.
That's why villains are more loved by the people than protagonists. Modern censorship allows "bad guys" to be themselves and show that charisma of their own, because they will be "punished" and "defeated" in the end of the movie anyway, so it doesn't matter what they think or believe in. But main heroes are role models, they are winners and therefore should be perfect, approved by censors and of course, be politically correct.
That sucks.
@@MissPumpkinJuice at least the black main characters are sometimes racists, because hating white people is not wrong
@@tiagodarkpeasant Or an alien character, like Javik from "Mass Effect" game.
He calls all other species "primitives" and get away with it :D
@@MissPumpkinJuice A monster that is sentient and way more advanced than humanity? Sounds like they earned the right to label any inferior life form as primitive scum...
Racism isn't just a disagreement though. It is an indisputable flaw. A flaw that a hero may very well have, but one that he will have to address over the course of the story.
I think Anakin is the perfect example: he hated all jedi and overcame that to love his son again
Anakin hated everyone after the death of Padme, himself the most.
It’s believed that he killed the Jedi after order 66 simply because he wanted his past to die.
As long as even one Jedi lived, so did Anakin.
Anakin, in Vader’s eyes, was a failure and Vader had to live with that failure.
Luke reminded Vader what it meant to be a Jedi through his young naivety.
Luke did what Anakin couldn’t - he rejected the dark side and held strong to the ideals of the Jedi.
When Luke was being harmed and almost killed for his noble choice, Vader died and Anakin rose again to be heroic one last time.
The saga of Anakin always reminded me of the Native American idea of two wolves, one of darkness and one of light, always circling each other.
The one you feed (perform actions in their name), the stronger that wolf becomes and the hungrier the other will be.
Anakin could have explored his darker side and become better for it, but the Jedi believed that the dark side was evil and thus Anakin’s dark nature was simply repressed.
Palpatine barely coaxed it out and it devoured Anakin.
A good hero needs a reason to be good, a great hero needs a reason to not be a villain.
Anakin found his greatness in his son.
He hated Sand People. He probably still hated them until the end of his life.
The mandalorians hate the jedi, and actually have a very racist way to work, most of the times don't allow outsiders to work with them, there´s a chance for that for happen, but an outsider will never have to much power with them, at least not without a fight
@@ChocorocK The Tusken are a people who participate in barbaric practices and you can easily justify the Death of everyone but the youngest of them. The women were just as guilty of torturing and murdering Shmi (and many others).
And as the old saying goes, if you kill a murderer, the number of murderers stays the same. But if you kill twenty of them, the bottom line looks very positive.
@@EdVonPelt Sounds like something an Antituskite would say
"Can a racist character be heroic"
Most RPGs have the player automiatically assuming certain races to be evil, so yeah.
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Deku: (sees a namekian) HUh a vILLaIn!!! Must kill
Skyrim belongs to the Nords!
Legolas and Gimli relationship is based on racism
@@CHURCHISAWESUM fuck u long live the Empire
@@davosseaworth9479 *Laughs in Thalmor*
-Can a character who doesn't wash one's hands be heroic?
-No, 'cause I'm evil.
"I understood that reference."
-Captain America
*_How menacing_*
Justice League reference, nice.
*I have no idea who this is*
So the CIA....
In JoJo bizarre Adventure there's a Nazi named Rudol von Stroheim who is very heroic in the show
Good character with evil thoughts
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The movie Gran Torino covers this exact topic really well, though the racist character becomes less racist throughout the movie.
Great movie
I love how at one point he says all surprised "I've got more in common with these people than with my own family..."
But in his defense, he thought a war against these people.
Imagine being a war veteran from Afghanistan or Iraq and then see your neighbourhood being taken over by muslim immigrants.
@@remc0s it depends on your outlook. If you blame your government for iraq or afghanistan, you wouldnt be bothered. If you blame iraq or Afghanistan (for being invaded I guess) then you still wont mind. If you blame ALL muslims just because you fought a Muslim country, then youre racist.
@@remc0s
I can agree with the first part, but not the second.
In the the context of Gran Torino, it would only apply if he was identifying more with the muslims than he was with his own family.
Gran Torino was great because he was surrounded by a culture he thought he disliked (even though they were a different group) but he empathized more with them than he did with his own family.
His own family had become vain and greedy, while the people he thought of as foreign held more closely to the values that he respected.
Gran Torino was great because that old racist bastard liked the people he was supposed to hate more than the people he had originally been fighting for.
He was racist to the end, but he didn't let that get in the way of his morals, and that's why we loved him.
@@reklin I thought that the character didnt hate them, he only hate seeing them because of the guilt
Can a hero be [name any character flaw]
Game of thrones: say no more
KiLl tHe TarGaryEn wHoRe
The anti-hero (a flawed hero), is sorely missed in female protagonists.
They still are, it's just happens unintentionally on the part of "woke" writers nowadays. Like female Iron Man (Riri something) or current Captain Marvel.
Hmm...a female anti-hero...how could that look like? Tell me more.
Nope you only get brutal killers or Mary sues sorry
Not too sure about western concurrent literature since I did not read many. But as chinese, there are plenty of them in chinese concurrent fictions. It kinda became a trope already. But China and West are very different cultures, hard to compare.
@@ismirdochegal4804 chances are she would be bi or lesbian.
Clint Eastwood played a racist veteran who at the end saved his (Asian family) neighbour.
Gran Torino, that was a great movie.
I believe they even had a line in the movie where Harry hated every group equally. So is that racist? I guess. Or not.
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I think I know which movie you are talking about, I really liked it, I had no idea it was Clint.
@Deathcoldan What.
Subtext.
"Maybe their parents were killed"
Bro, literally every superhero's parents get killed
Steve Rogers?
Green Lantern?
@@phteven2617 Eventually
@@adsdsds6190 Steve is from the 1940s
Of course his parents are dead.
PHTEVEN 261 Green Lantern Hal Jordan’s dad died in a plane crash
@@mikeval1525 Well then finally
“There are no heroes. There are only heroic decisions.” -Edward Snowden
Heroic decisions like taking Putin's money.
That's a good sound bite but it doesn't really make much sense.
@@hermonymusofsparta why?
There was a manga called “Groundless” (spoilers) where a mainlander character fighting as a merc is racist against his comrades because they’re islanders.
The other mercs (all islanders) are suspicious of him because he is such a racist, and doubts his abilities as a fighter because of his one flaw. Eventually he tells them that he is racist because he was fired from his previous position as an officer in the mainland military due to the army wanting to cut costs and expand on manpower. The army fired him because for his salary as an officer, they could hire three Islander recruited soldiers. Because of this he lost his wife and child and is forced to hire himself out as a whore of war.
At the end of one chapter he becomes a mentor to one of the BLACK child islander merc volunteers and teaches her what it takes to be a soldier, even though he is a racist to islanders. He eventually bleeds out in a church following an assault on an enemy position with the child and the child (of a race and class he hates) mourns for his death because even though he is a racist towards her, he still cared enough for her to pass on his knowledge to her so she can survive in the war they found themselves in.
He is a good character and a human character because his hate was fueled by something we can all relate to. He lost his job not because of an inability to perform his job, but because the top brass wanted to hire more recruits. He was human enough to see past his hatred and his unfortunate position enough to mentor someone else to survive in a conflict that no one wanted in the first place, spurred on by the powers that be.
When he finally dies, they bury him in an unmarked grave outside the church where he died, where the only mark of his life on reality was his reputation as a racist mainlander and a pile of raised dirt with his helmet and a cross staked atop it.
There is a quote that really stuck with me. “Real heroes are never made public.” In this character’s case, his only legacy is an unmarked grave and a pair of dog tags and a weapons flashlight he gave to the girl. No one in real life will know this character’s real story and the reason for his flaws, his sacrifices, because people don’t want to understand him based on his one flaw. And if this isn’t enough to make him a hero, I don’t know what will.
I wish I had known about that particular manga - I probably would have used it lol. It's a perfect example.
This reminds me of Clint Eastwood's character from the movie Gran Torino. He also has rational reasons for being so racist towards the minority in question (his asian (Hmong) neighbors), but despite his racism he still grows close to them and is willing to fight for their safety and sacrifice himself when they are threatened by gang violence. He even mentors their teenage son, teaching him various skills and landing him a job as a construction worker.
PFCParts that is beautiful
PFCParts I really loved that manga
I’m glad seeing it here
PFCParts I now must read this manga.
Thanks Minecraft Enderman For This Literature Knowledge
Lmao
Just remember not to look him in the eye!
as opposed to... real life enderman?
VeryPeeved that's the implication
ah. glad i got that cleared up.
remember when Tony was an alcoholic?
Those were the days.
@H M thor became fat
Tony the tiger
@@mortache Wasn't there an uproar because of that, though?
oooh I 'member dat!
@@Lucitaur It was more of a " lol wut* rather than "how dare marvel do this"
When are we going to realize that being a racist is far from the worst thing a person can be. If a murder can be a hero so can racist
well you need to make a distinction between thoughts, behaviors, and actions to other people. Or, to simplify, as the video says Thoughts vs Actions. Clearly there are worse things you can do than being racist, but i think it's certainly among the most repugnant things you can think, or the most repugnant way you can act to other people.
But being racist or a murderer isn't good anyways
This. Society always seems to find its pet master-evil. Medieval society picked heresy. Roman/Greek society, barbarity. Zoroastrianism literally picked a person to be the personification of all evil in the town and just treated that person like absolute shit, personifying the evil and projecting it onto a single cursed person. Early modern society picked anarchists, black people, and a few others. Now post-modern society picks racism. It's a psychological pattern we have, of being confused by the causes of our serious societal and personal problems. So we create a strawman super-evil, that we can fight and beat and make ourselves feel better. Not to say that racism is not an evil. Just as versions of previous scapegoat master-evils weren't also not evil, like total anarchy and some forms of barbarism (cannibalism, tribalism, poor hygiene spreading disease etc) whilst other ones are more matters of opinion/convoluted. But my point here is that we shouldn't make super-evils and untouchables. We should recognize that people are people and individuals can and will be complex folks. I don't trust these temporary social trends of what currently is the most talked about social evil. Trust in the persistent ones: murder, rape, theft, manipulation. Those are true, consistent evils on which you should really dismiss people. Other things, really, we should weigh their flaws with their positive aspects. We rush too quickly to write people off along political or social windchange lines. We should focus more on intrinsic, absolute evils, which are almost always *deeds*, not thoughts or speech.
@@CHURCHISAWESUM Ya like jazz?
@@CHURCHISAWESUM Hating racist people is the idea analog of being a racist. You hate people just because of the way they think. It is hate that is wrong people, come on! it's not that hard to figure out.
Gran Torino, all the proof you need that yes, yes they can.
Such a good movie.
well and in the film all his expectations were fulfilled wierdly he still gets a soft spot
I don't recall Eastwood's character being racist per se. Also, it was indeed a great movie.
@@GoblinKnightLeo that's his entire character in the movie. He hated asians and blacks and was pissed that Asians were moving into his neighborhood. Sure he changed his views, but they were definitely there in the beginning.
Walt Kowalski is the best
Today we live in world, where overcoming your flaws and becoming better and more powerful person is not threated as heroism, but often as hypocrisy. Someone is doing good now, but only because he did some bad things in past, he is viewed as hypocrite. While in fact, it works another way: the greatest people are those who beats the odds, not the ones who were always good.
Exactly. The problem is that everyone is so afraid of treading on feelings that we can't be honest about our failings and our working to overcome them. As you say, some of the greatest heroes faced their deadliest foes from within themselves. And we admire their victory, because really we're all fighting that battle too.
It might not be an entirely new error. My dad often claims that as a school child in 1946 West Germany after showing sudden improvement in one of his courses he was actually punished for this. The reasoning? "You had the ability, so you must have been lazy before".
That's why the criticism levied against politicians who change their minds, that they are "flip-flopping," is so foolish. Who wants to be a person who never learns and grows, or wants that sort of person put in charge of anything?
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 The reason why politicians get called flip flops is because they were pressured into stance change based on their peers and connections. It's not a well thought out change that they are criticizing. Otherwise they're just mad that individual isn't on their side.
So nice to see the snowflakes display their limited intellectual capacity
In the Teen Titans original series they had a hero who hated Starfire's kind, even after she saved his life. They just view him as a good guy with a flaw in his opinions, not an outright bad person.
I was thinking about the Teen Titans when I read this comment. 😂
Or Martian Manhunter who hated the White Martians, but took in M'gann. They play around with his bigotry against the white martians a lot. It's a really great story element, and it works cause they're alien, so the readers don't have to feel bad either way for liking or disliking his action.
Kitty Blue27 Just made me love this show even more.
YES. I was going to bring him up.
Which character? I can't remember them.
I remember an episode of Teen Titans where they meet Val-Yor who hated Starfire because he was racist towards Tamaraneans due to what I'm assuming to be species rivalry.
Despite hating Starfire and being blatantly racist, he genuinely wanted to help people and be a hero. We need more lessons like that in media.
I kinda remember that he even said that Starfire was "one of the good ones".
That was hilarious.
Don't forget how Starfire dealt with it.
When her friends ignorantly called her the slur, he was righteously mad at their actions, but forgave them for their intent. Then she didn't left the situation define her: what mattered was that she could take the hit and not get dragged down.
You seem to have forgotten the part where they told him to hit the road cos they don't play like that
@@akhonaluthuli5931 If they acknowledged that point then their narrative would collapse though
@@user-wb8iu1hl6i Really? I think it still works
Real Life example: Howard Lowe on the Titanic was one of the most disliked members by the crew, cause he was particularly ignorant, arrogant and did express racist opinions (even by 1900's standards). He's one of two boats that went back and picked up survivors after the sinking, including a Chinese man. He wished he could have saved other people 'worthy' but his opinion was immediately proven wrong because the Chinese man had experience in sailing, and was vital in rowing them back to the other lifeboats. Lowe ended up admiring him for his skills (who he was, not what he was).
Basically, a racist did something pretty heroic and had his life-views questioned in the process. That's kinda cool
Cool! I didn't know that.
It would have made a much better movie than Titanic
@@EmoBearRights True. I'd also include a subplot portraying William Murdoch (The ship's first mate, whom the movie despicably portrayed as accepting bribes, shooting passengers trying to get onto lifeboats, then turning his gun on himself, none of which he did in real life) as the hero he truly was.
sounds like a fake SJW story.
@@EmoBearRights My god stop the brainwashing.
Yes.
Save the universe from destruction seven times, but call everyone you come across the n word.
Ever notice the trend of entire Adventuring parties saving the world, but they'll stop dead in their tracks to fuck up a high elf's day if they treat the party like shit?
@@scottbruckner4653 *JRPG INTENSIFIES*
@@refinedwrath9030 EXACTLY
You see but if you call everyone the n word, is it still rasis?
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Stronhiem from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Guy is a literal Nazi but takes up the support role after Ceasars death.
Yeah he was one of the ones that came to mind, along with Warhammer 40k and Starship troopers in general.
GERMANY TECHNOLOGY!
@K19 There was one scene were he forced a women that was shaving him to lick the blood from the cut she caused....In the eyes of the SJW that's probably worse than his Nazi-ness.
Joeseph hates the Japanese cuz one divorced his daughter.
@K19 he's not persay shown as racist and he is wehrmacht not S.S if I remember correctly and he does mostly talks of his country and not Nazi ideology or Hitler stuff. But he did mention Aryans at one point and didn't seem to value Mexican villigers life's very much.
Realistically though most of the cast of JoJo in that arc would have probably have been some what racist in some way because after all it was the 30's and that was just how it was, regardless of allies or axis.
But yeah it's not exactly stated wether he was a racist but many will just assume do to the period and faction.
Star Trek 6 “The Undiscovered Country”
Spock: “The Klingons are dying Jim”
Kirk: “Let them die”
*MUCH LATER*
Kirk saves the new Klingon Chancellor and establishes a treaty between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.
The entirety of Warhammer 40k would like to speak to you...
Bloody xenos.
Beware the Alien, the Mutant, the Heretic.
Well, the Warhammer fantasy is almost the same way. They just tend to make more allowances on the individual level so you can have the normal mixed fantasy party of humans, elves, and dwarves.
But on a societal level, all their races hate each other just as much as the orcs and everything else.
Suffer them not to live
"I will eat your guts!" Hive Mind
@skullpull 101 ^this is the only great answer to this question, and the reason why a) I love the lore of the 41st millennium, and b) I truly hope they don't go down the SJW root with retcons and promoting newer style character tropes over the real humanity of the old ones.
When I read the title, without much thinking, there was one character that came to my mind: Judy Hopps from Zootopia.
Due to thinks that happend in her childhood and what her parents say (even thought she disaggrees with them) she developted a distrust to foxes in particular, even if she doesn't want to admit or realizes it herself.
When she first saw Nick, the first thing she did was suspecting that he was up to no good (which admitetly, he was).
Later in the movie she said all the wrong things on TV, unintentionally starting mass panic.
Yet in the end, she overcame her flaws and was still the hero of the story (with Nick by her side).
I can only recomment this movie to everyone who hasn't seen it already. It has literally changed the way I look at movies for me!
Good point. When I saw the title of the video it immediately reminded me of Gran Torino and the old guy played by Clint Eastwood
*SPOILERS*
- Think about it, The old Korean War Veteran is one of the last white people in the neighborhood, where others left it due to increase in gang activity and amount of people of other ethnicities. The young teenager Tao, who is of South Asian origins (Hmong) and who is forced to live under such circumstances, is affected by it and attempted to steal Clint's Gran Torino. Whenever Clint sees Tao's family, he makes all sorts of racist comments and gestures, due to his past experience with Asians in Korea. Eventually the viewers see the heroic side of Clint Eastwood's character (I will refer to him like that, because I don't remember his name in the movie), when he saves Tao from the gang members taking him away from his family. Tao's family is very appreciative of his actions, even though Clint claim to act out of self interest of protecting his property. He eventually talks to Tao and realizes that he is an insecure teenager, so he gives him advice regarding the love interest, life, and how to carry himself like a man. He finds a job for him, saves his sister, and ultimately sacrifices himself in the end. Eventually Clint gives his Gran Torino to Tao as an inheritance, which was supposed to go to Clint's family, but didn't because they didn't care for him as much as Tao did. So the Ultimate answer is, yes the racist character can be heroic at least in the sphere of entertainment.
Man, this just shows that the people who complain that Zootopia isn't a "good race allegory" totally miss the point that, based on the real world or not, destructive bias in general is... well, destructive. It teaches children not to judge people based on assumptions, that context and actions speak louder than beliefs, and I really appriciate that movie for it, *specially* for showing Judy's development.
Zootopia is one of the rare modern movies that excellently takes on current social commentary and portrays it in a way that's accurate, but still with strong, nearly universal moral frame work.
Of course the movie would be way more "woke" if it were released today, but thank God it wasn't.
It was a fun movie, but far too preachy.
The "we reserve the right to refuse service" elephant was far too extreme of an example. Why they changed him from somebody who looks at a tiny, fennec fox and simply says, "He can't eat that." Both characters were assholes, but one was a well thought out asshole while the other was their attempt to preach about rAcIsM.
The movie was, as I said, preachy.
@@jaxonwoods8181 I don’t know. Even though it’s revealed that a drug turns everyone savage, for the most part, what Judy said was true. It’s WAS specifically the preadators becoming savage. And Nick getting upset made no sense. He’s upset that Judy treats him like a predator, when he acts like a predator? That’s like being upset your treated like a scammer when you’ve already had a history of doing it, and purposely act like you’re about to do it again.
In a world that despises white, straight male characters who are also billionaire businessmen, Batman is still one of the most popular and beloved superheroes of all time.
Riddle me that, Mister Wayne...
Proof these anti sjw youtubers are full of it and riding the anti sjw hype train.
@@KnightofAntiquity Either that, or proof that SJWs are massive hypocrites.
@Max Wylde I've heard something like that; that he was going to be replaced by a woman, but not Kathy Kane? Already forgot the name.
@@jarthkebil They are not that numerous dipshit.
@@jarthkebil Kathy Kane... aka a Batwoman with her own story line that is already canon.
A nation’s hero is often another’s nemesis. Yay, almost all of the badass heroes of the human empire in Warhammer 40k are xenophobic and racist to some degree
To some degree, isn't the entire plot about xenophobic and genecidal zealots
To be fair in WH40K the reason why the galaxy is such a shitty place is directly caused by Xenos. The eldar fucked Slaneesh into existence, the orks know nothing except fighting and looting, multiple parasitic xeno species and lately the Tyranids.
The Eldar murderfucking a fourth chaos god is what ultimately doomed the galaxy.
@@adrianflare7951 We just gonna ignore the Humans who genocide entire worlds if there's even a hint of a chaos threat? Or like, sometimes a threat in general? And of course, can't forgot the IG, which honestly, is WW1 tactics personified on a galactic scale.
@@MrTurok999 If they find a hint of chaos threat, shit is way too late and there is always a fucking chaos daemon horde around the corner. No they dont genocide entire worlds for a hint of threats. They genocide AFTER every other option has been used and failed. Stop using memes like they are actual lore. They are memes for a reason.
I know one IG Regiment that uses ww1 tactics. One regiment among countless thousands. The Death Korps of Krieg is a fucking death cult. They should NOT BE USED as an example for average Imperial Guard. Honestly this shows you knows absolutely nothing about WH40K other than shitty memes.
@@adrianflare7951 In short, the Imperium is entirely justified in shooting all xenos on sight, because xenos are actually shitty 90% of the time.
"Remove the struggle, remove the story"
And that’s why Rey and the new Star Wars trilogy are so un-compelling.
The High Ground Huh... I guess Rey didn’t have any internal struggle about needing guidance from a paternal figure or someone else to tell her how she fits in the world. 🤔
@@Spades20XX They showed that she wanted a parental figure... but not that she needed one. They set it up for her to find that figure and learn and grow from them... but she has found three different parental figures in the two movies we have seen and has learned nothing from them because she already knows everything, and can do anything.
@@thehighground9175 and that's why Disney's Canon sucks. Legends forever my dude
The High Ground umm no... she tried to find someone to tell her who she truly is and looked to Han, Luke, and even Leia to an extent. She literally mentions this in TLJ. She knows a lot of stuff but not who she really is and this is why Kyle tried to use that against her. She needed independence and to just do things on her own without guidance.
You’re making the same point I’m making but trying to use to make that case that she doesn’t have a real struggle and that’s incorrect.
The word racist lost it meaning since 2016
Way before that.
Even before Trump it was being used to shut down conversation, especially in colleges and the like.
It never had any meaning. It's a bogus term made up by communists to shame people who stick up for their own ethnicity.
Get educated on the matter! Dpn't allow yourself to be shamed by such non-words.
Even longer than that but at least since the internet became popular. Since that time not a day has passed during which I didn't see someone being accursed of racism, sexism, homophobia or other things just for having an opinion.
Mayhzon found the supremacist
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A person who does not recognize the evil within themselves is the most evil of all. Everyone has malice within them. Only someone who recognizes their malice and overcomes it is a hero.
True. A hero is not necessarily someone who's perfect, but someone who possesses the strength of character to do good when others wouldn't.
Only he who slays the Dragon of Chaos that resides within his own heart can be called "Hero"
Evil is a concept that entirely depends on the point of view. If a person does something they regret, it's a mistake, not evil. If they do not regret, they may be seen as evil by majority but there is no universal truth regarding what is good and what is evil.
@@Silanael No, regretting something does not make a willful act a mistake. You can be redeemed from evil, but that does not mean there was no evil within at the start. Each of us is naturally inclined toward it. And while in our limited ability to view the world, it's not always easy for us to tell what's really inside a person, that doesn't mean there is no universal truth.
What about a character who saves someone he hates for his own goals?
Cpt Klan flies over to the edge of the building to see the black man dangling off the edge. He spits in disgust and decides to let him die. Klan is about to leave him to go try to save the whiteaswipecream family but then realizes that the only way to save the cream family is to save this black man as only he has the codes to open the door to Mr. homocide’s evil lair. He sits there in midair, motionless. Does he dare touch this lesser being to save the good and pure cream family? Or does he let them die, saving himself from touching the black dude? He shakes his head in an attempt to clear his mind. What was he thinking? Even though he will have to be touched by the skin of that lesser thing, he will bare that burden to save the Creams!
He knows of his malice and ignores it to save the day, but he didn’t overcome it.
Is he a hero?
"Racism can never be heroic"
What about my boy goblin slayer
Or the DOOM Guy?
"There may be a good goblin if you search hard enough... But as far as I know, the only good goblin is the one who stays in its hole".
@@DonVigaDeFierro a good goblin a dead goblin
@@kikijihan8316 So, THERE ARE a lot of good goblins!
@@roma540 Yes...if they dead
"Racism is never heroic"
As someone who kills Altmer in my free time, I find that statement offensive.
A Voice Crying Out someone has to put those knife eared bastards in their place.
@Ricardo Santos why are there so many Skyrim fans in the comments lol. Also isn't he literally the villian I don't remember, I never played the main quest.
@Un-broken and victorious then his intentions aren't entirely good then are they?
@Un-broken and victorious why?
@Un-broken and victorious but there are certain lines you know should never cross even if it means achieving your goal. Machiavellianism isn't good intentions.
The same question was asked by that dragon in Skyrim.
I thought the same thing. "Is it better to be born good? Or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
The next dragon will probably ask what your gender pronoun is instead
Parthanaux does not deserve to die.
@@koalstolz1615 Paarthurnax did nothing wrong.
Okay some things maybe, but still
@@yourneighbour5738 concidering how Bethesda are making games these times it wouldn't surprise me for ES6
The Joker in Injustice was killed _not_ because _he_ killed Lois... but because he used fear toxin-laced kryptonite on Superman to make him see his worst fear, making Superman, himself, not only kill Lois, but their unborn baby... and, attached to her heart was the detonator for the bomb in Metropolis... it was a LOT more fucked up than just Lois being killed.
Yes, that story was truly fucked up.
@@thenew4559 loved it. Lex Luthor the martyr.
@@thenew4559
agreed. Injustice was a pretty weak "superman gone bad" story. Kingdom come was much better, as was Irredeemable, although for legal reasons they called that character the Plutonian.
Yeah if I was Superman, I'd slowly fry the fucker with my laser vision on the lowest setting possible until he melts. Killing Joker is nowhere near morally equivalent to cold blooded murder. Joker was a monster of epic proportions and a danger to humanity itself.
@@kyriss12 I don't think they meant it was bad just that it was fucked up
The term "racism" is used pejoratively so often to describe so many different things, it should be defined in each specific use. The majority of people who have ever lived, and who still live today, are "racist" by some definitions. How then, is "can a racist character be heroic" even a question? Some people seem to regard "racists" as being on the same moral level as active and confirmed child rapists and murderers, despite racism being a much more broad and vague concept.
genuinely curious, what's an example of the average person nowadays being racist
@@usedtobearandomcombination9680 Considering how much "racist" is thrown around, it can apply to people with romantic/sexual preferences, being cautious around people moving into your country, applying stereotypes to races, especially ones that aren't typically well known like African cultures, actually showing great disdain over certain races and cultures, technically debates over religions count, believing ones race is incapable of having any negative trait(s), like how some people don't believe black people can be racist themselves, and how some people tend to link "racist" to white people rather than just people in general.
@@sapientbirb7350 yeah but most of these are avoidable by being a bit cautious of your own bias. What do you mean by religious debates though
@@usedtobearandomcombination9680 Religious beliefs, at least somewhat, fall under the standard definition of racism. Someone can almost immediately think of at least a few stereotypes, some believe those stereotypes make up the majority, and some people attack them for said stereotypes. Obvious and overused example, Hitler's views on the Jews.
@@sapientbirb7350 yeah but "Jew"can refer to an ethnic group though. I agree that people often associate religious images with racial ones, like people think Asian if they hear Buddhist, Brown if they hear Muslim. But a lot of religious stereotypes are more culturally based than racially
Goblin slayer, Von Stroheim, Princess Allura, Gimli and Legolas, almost everyone in Harry Potter.....
I mean id rather my protag be non-racist but like
It happened before
I understand why you would think that most of these characters you mentioned are racist, but, almost everyone in Harry Potter? How? Hogwarts, while it is located in white Britain, is a very diverse place. It has plenty of students wich aren't white, both in the books, and in the movies. Even Slytherin has black people, and one of Malfoy's close friends is described as black in the books, and depicted as such in the movies, at least in the last movie, where he replaces Crabbe, although I can't remember his name.
The only thing in Harry Potter one could perhaps describe as racism was the hatred some Slytherin people had against muggles, but I am not sure this would fall under racism. Is a white british wizard like Malfoy from a different race than a white british muggle? I wouldn't think so.
@@enki6676 my thinking was basically this:
"Goblin slayer"
Hates goblins for being goblins, and the creater confirmed a huge inspiration was DnD, in which Goblins are a playable humanoid race
"Von Stroheim"
A nazi. Hates 'undesirables'. Easy to see that one
"Princess Allura"
Racist against the Galra, even so much so that she turned on Keith when he found out he was *partly* Galra. She made a turnaround later, but her innate hatred of the Galra remained.
"Gimli and Legolas"
They make casual racist comments about the other races, specifically wach other's, all the time. The dwarves and elves HATE each other on that basis alone -- dwarves and elves. They get over it eventually, but they still start and spend most of the book as 'casually racist protagonists'
"almost everyone in Harry Potter.."
Hate of Muggles and Mudbloods, evident and rife in the wizarding world. And, again, hate and *institutionalized oppression" of goblins. The ones that run the bank? They're treated as lesser people and ONLY allowed that job, and under extreme supervision too. Thats cannon.
@@skelletan4543 I see, thanks for the explanation. I got why you thought all these other characters were racist, but why you had included Harry Potter in that list wasn't so clear to me.
@@enki6676 no problem! Thank you for caring enough to ask lol
I would disagree with Goblin Slayer. Goblins in Goblin Slayer's world arent fullly sentient so to speak.
Yeah, Clint Eastwood.
Any questions?
@@captainamerica9725 Yup, Gran Turino.
And in most Dirty Harry flicks, you can see his un-PC stance.
@@edwardgaines6561 Oh boy, if Gran Torino release in the current year. You'll see media blowing it out of proportion due to racism. I swear, media today become so sensitive at a drop of a pin.
@@flightlesscoffeebirdboy9655 It was rather blown out of proportion when it was released, and it still didnt stop him from making The Mule into another Un-pc masterpiece.
Guy does what he wants, and doesnt give a damn if it offends some latte sipping hipsters
Clint eastwood is awesome
@@assaultspoon4925 I saw The Mule last month. Good flick, he made fun of a 30-something beta male who couldn't change his own tire.
Of course, the Hispanics also had their negative views of Whites in the movie too.
Heh, So Zootopia did get it right.
Judy Hopps actually was a little Racist herself, same with Nick Wilde, since Nick used a lot of Derogatory terms with Judy, calling her 'Carrots' and 'cute' (Which Judy considers similar to being used as an 'N word' replacement) While also making remarks about her heritage as a farmer, and Judy herself was rather untrusting of Nick at first glance, even before the unveiling of his Con, and during the Conference, really shot her mouth off without thinking.
The good thing about it, was that Judy and Nick were able to overcome their prejudices in the End, to better themselves and to set an example.
I love this example. More people need to upvote this.
It was good but then they had to do the apology scene where she not only tried to make it up to Nick, but used up all the buzzwords to indicate that she is but a lowly worm.
@@sophiagomez5619 explain pls? I mean I would also try to make amends if I treated someone differently/poorly just because of race. Not sure I see the "lowly worm" thing anywhere.
Exactly.... I was thinking exactly the same movie
Zootopia impressed me with how it was willing to tackle such a heavy real world issue. That alone makes me love it despite the bad twist villain
I’ve used many of your videos as advice when writing my own stories. They turn out pretty well received among my peers. I just wanted to thank you for all the help, Mr Literature Devil! ^^
No problem at all! I'm really glad to hear my videos are helping out! Good luck on your future writing endeavors
How has your progress in your writing gone so far?
Well, it hasn’t gone any faster, but it is better. I’m nearly done.
@@MotorcycleCheetah May I have a look at your story?
"Racism is never heroic"
Me: Smiles in The Imperium of Man.
Emprah protects.
* laughs in Gothic*
When you just recently got into 40k and all of a sudden you understand half the internet. This is great
Filthy xenos
@@revbladez5773 The word you are looking for is Xenophobic.
Utter fool. Germany technology is the finest in the world
bubu action braka monoga
SEKAAAAIIII ICHIIIII!
*propaganda in the background*
Was until recently
as a jew best thing that came from parts 2 is von stronemhiem and the power of german science
Never thought I would have a favorite nazi until I saw part 2
Yes.
The majority of fantasy & sci-fi protagonists will harbour some xenophobic views towards another race, yet they're still considered heroic.
Its no different in any other genre.
TheBackStabbedSniper i agree but there are some double standards between this and real life. Especially in modern day America
@@totallynotgghehe2134 Anyone who invades my cyberspace without documents will be removed for the safety of all citizens. No exceptions. America welcomes immigrants, but the left want to think everything is about race and nothing about sovereignty. Thus, the left puts those who worked on getting in legally for years and finally their work paid off and those who shit in the legal immigrants face in the same groups (simply, immigrants). Racism has nothing to do with a nation's sovereignty, especially in America. Everyone be forgetting about 9/11 and how foreigners who weren't legal immigrants, caused over 3,000 deaths (largest massacre in US history). Right now, the refugees in Britain have more than quadrupled the crime rate and the police don't do anything about it there. I don't understand this idea of humans being peaceful creatures, or even fundamentally evil. However, I do believe in protecting oneself.
Unless you're talking about the double standards of the left, and sometimes the right?
Teen Titans: Val-Yor
He was a hero that hated Tamoranians... He referred to Star Fire as Troq (Troq means “nothing, worthless,”)
So yes.
This video helped me address parts of my own personality that I am not proud of. Thank you.
The Comedian in Watchmen. He’s undeniably a hero he’s saved countless lives and helped end one of the worst wars in modern history. But he also rapes and murders because he feels he’s earned the right. And being a hero was really just an excuse to do bad things and guise it as heroic.
In addition: A reason, why the comedian is such a cruel character is because of the nihilistic world view he acquired. He did all those good deeds but in the end, he tought, did they really make a difference? Did I do something with an impact, if in the end everything goes to hell nevertheless? the conclusion is: When his good deeds didn't matter anymore his bad deeds also wouldn't
Rorshach was similar, his childhood experience made him hate his own face and develop a black and white uncompromising code of duty. In Rorshach's eyes, if someone does something evil, even with the best intentions, they're still evil, and thus Rorshach punishes them, he delves into the underworld, he isn't afraid of who he hurts or kills in order to do his job, even if that person is himself.
Yeah, invading someone's country and killing thousands of it's civilians and soldiers simply protecting their home is "saving countless lives".
I guess Japanese that attacked Perl Harbor are heroes too
Yoo Hoo that wasn’t his decision but he helped end that war with much fewer casualties than in this reality.
I mean that's kind of a paradox though. If no bad deed can be justified in his eyes. Then shouldn't he have kill himself for all the people he murdered?
Stroheim from JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure Part 2. Next question.
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DOITSU NO KAGAKU WA
GERMAN SCIENCE IS THE BEST IN ZA WARUDO!!!
@@YataTheFifteenth SEKAI ICHI
SEKAI ICHI!!!!!!!
The entirety of 40k.
There are no good guys but there are heroes.
When I was in basic training, one guy in my platoon was an infusserable bigot. He hated weakness, jews and homosexuals and regularly went on tirades about it. To the point where I could (and maybe should) have reported him.
At the same time however he was a very good soldier and an outstanding comrade. He was always the first in action when menial tasks came up and he always shared and assisted his comrades. When one platoonmember, which he outspokenly hated, drank too much and passed out one night, the bigot took care of him, helped him, brought him to his room and cleaned up the mess that he left.
I never reported that soldier for his bigotry, even though it would have been my duty to do so, because I admired his comradery above all else
Answer to this supposed paradox: it's called positive ethnocentrism. Seems to be right (effective) evolutionary strategy.
"Oh no he said something I dont agree with! I must silence him and he must be punished for his tought-crime!"
@@98TrueRocker98 It wasn't a thoughtcrime, it was unconstitutional sentiments and holocaust denial which is illegal in the army. It would have been my duty to report it.
But I didn't.
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 Can you elaborate on that?
@@Frontline_view_kaiser Oh...Well then I am glad that you didnt. To me if its not physically hurting anyone or calling for it, its fine.
A powerful piece, and very thought provoking. Is a pleasure to see this type of content.
Captain Kirk he was racist and prejudiced against klingons
Worf was racist against Romulans for the death of his parents at Khitomer.
@@Nowhereman10 he also didn't like the Ferengi
Yes but he learned the error of his ways. Which is good character development.
Picard and the Borg...
A completely justified hatred.
no they were specist, those are different species..e
Title: Can A Racist Character Be Heroic?
Every Grandparent: Yes.
Wanna say, that all grandparents are stupid nonprogressive dumbasses? Or is it joke?
@@AlphariusOmegon-vd9gg what he says is that grandparents probably have read at least one comic were the hero was racist, as it was socially acceptable to be it in the past
@@AlphariusOmegon-vd9gg plus if you look at opinion of gay marriage being illegal the opinion of you vs your grandparents its going to be drastically different
@@MrSoloveyko it's a question, no?
@@dorime669doesn’t mean that racism is universally moral just because a society was too braindead to realize it’s abhorrent, and inhumane. You sub human racist vermin.🤡🤡🤡🤡
"Can someone with a different opinion than myself be a hero?"
Answer: Yes.
It was my first thought when I saw the video.
Comments like this make me happy
I don't think racism is as simple as simply having an alternate opinion as someone. I mean you could literally do that with every subject. Can a person who does [insert bad action] be a hero?
"They just have a different definition of morality"
@@usedtobearandomcombination9680 That's right. Morality is a very flexible thing.
@@usedtobearandomcombination9680 if you try hard enough you can make the passive distant "verbal battery" of someone seem like its morally justified. Batman and Joker call for each other. Its a psychological/intellectual struggle at what justifies reaction/response. You dont understand that defying the righteousness you claim to have you are literally a bad guy pretending to be a hero with an alignment of victim hood actually instilled in "why it was appropriate to "go above the law", "well he started it! Boo hoo
Yes example, every factions from Warhammer 40k
Not the tau empire
@@snakeyes1640 everyone is the villians in 40k
you say that but can you truly say that every faction is racist, because there is a difference between villainy and racism. although the tau empire are (like the rest of the race) villains, they aren't racist. they allow humans to join them and allow them to keep their faith minus the radical ideas of their faith. and even then the reason for them to engage in conflict is for the "greater good" rather than, everyone must die because their different from us. and if we're talking about villainy here, let me remind you that the necrons are ancient robots that want their land back. you tell me if that is a villainous desire
@@snakeyes1640 Dont forget the that tau also don't condone interbreeding or doing anything outside the class of your birth. If you attempt anything even remotely valuing individuality you will be turned into a tau version of a servitor.
Lets not forget their curse word for humans who cause trouble translate to just human, and if you act out they neuter you to make sure you can't breed.
@@huneylove5 ok but that doesnt imply that the tau are racist, it just implies that they dont want interbreeding, and even than its better than being controlled by a demon, forced to follow a curtain religion, being turned into a mummy, becoming food for the tyranids, and so on and so forth.
Mass Effect 2 got that right.
One of the Recruitment missions has you encounter a seeming Rookie Asari... And a Renegade option pops up. If you don't take it, you spare the Asari... Who turns out to be a Notorious Killer and Drug Trader.
Taking the Renegade Option Kills the Asari... And the Officer thanks you when they Find the body, since you put down a great threat.
This is a great message imo, nothing is worse than “safe” main characters, politically correct in every sense, with “safe” flaws like “my ex girlfriend hurt me so I can’t love you right now” or some other crap instead of real human issues.
Merle Dixon from The Walking Dead.
Sub-Mariner has been handled this way many times.
Magneto of course.
Merle Dixon is awesome. His drawbacks made him an antagonist, but it also made him complex because his personality still made him likable. Merle is a very human character which is a cornerstone of the series.
Literature Devil Merle was a perfect character by the time they killed him off. He should have lived and been a perfect barely-hero foil to goody-goody Rick Grimes. Daryl should have been tossed.
@Max Wylde Don't forget Silver Age Green Lantern John Steward.(The one with the Afro hairstyle, not the bald version.) He was a proto BLM . Din like Hal Jorden. And a greenie. He destroyed planes by Ferris Aircraft cause they are an environment issue.
Not a comic book character, granted, but Captain Kirk is racist against Klingons (one of the dramatic focuses of Star Trek VI).
Merle Dixon is still one of my favorites characters along with Negan.
I do this frequently with my characters when I play D&D. I currently have a Half-Drow who hates Drow and wants to destroy their hierarchy. (No hes not Drizzt)
He was a child slave of the Drow and he hates their evil nature and slavery based society. It makes for some interesting times whenever interacting with high elves (who dont like drow or Half breeds) or other drow.
I love to play my assassin when I play the Dark Eye. He was also a slave as a child and then got once the opportunity by a demon to kill all of the oppressing clan and tortured their leader to death.
The demon granted him then by contract a shadow that has the ability to freely move around and kill people.
My guy is really dumb and clumsy but somehow became one of the best murderers known so far.
He's comparable to Okoyasu
kind of reminds me of Voldemort.
He hates muggles, and has a Muggle father, who he killed.
You legitimately made my d&d character, I thought I was original dammit haha
@@cainking6233 Well neither of you are the original because a guy in my campaign already seceded, started his own Kingdom and brought down the old Drow hierarchy.
I love Drows 🙃
Society seems to value outcome more than intent, hence the success of a show like Dexter, among others. On the other hand, a hero that hates a specific group of people yet is willing to save them if in danger? How about Batman? I mean the real Batman, not the Zack Snyder masked Punisher. He hates criminals with all his heart, but when a criminal is in danger he will go out of his way to save him because his goal of protecting life at all costs far outweights his personal bias. I mean, there have been instances in which he protected the Joker from an agry lynching mob because he knew he was not guilty of the particular crime he was being accused of at that time. Despite what happened to him personally, Batman still believes in the right to a fair trial, and will go out of his way to secure it for the criminals he apprehends.
andres rey Dexter had the code though, it wasn't his, I know, but he stuck to it for a good while
Yeah, but both the books and the show make it very, and explicitly clear that the code was merely a means of minimizing his chances of getting caught for indulging in his murderous impulses. That he kills criminals is a thing of convenience, seeing that his adopted father was a police officer, and he currently works for the Miami police force.
To be clear: Dexter is not a hero. He's just a bad man that ritualistically murders worse men.
Truly, outcome matters more than intent. Intent isn't something that can be measured or exist outside of someone's mind- rather, intentions are no more permanent than the dreams we have at night.
*”the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”*
Or "The road to good intentions is paved with HELL" ;)
The road to hell is paved by people who think they’re right
That is the true road to hell
@@violent_sneezes5113 I'm using this one if I can remember it.
DOOM Music Intesifies...
"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
Paarthurnax quote
Translation: "what is better - to never kill an innocent, or to gleefully slay thousands and later think 'maybe that wasn't such a good idea'?"
I think the first one is better. The second one makes for a better story though.
@@jamesmcdonnell2455 That translation would work better if people were actually born good.
@@supremecaffeine2633 I mean, seeing as the original is talking about someone being born good, I don't understand your point.
Even so, just not being born good doesn't mean you will kill anyone, let alone kill many and enjoy it before deciding it's actually a bad thing.
We live in a society
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"When I was a kid, the hero wore white and the villain wore black . . . . Or _was_ black."
- Frank Reynolds
Whats your point
@Reaper5.56 Xx He won't because he can't.
@Reaper5.56 Xx Not necessarily a villain, but Birth of a Nation showed extreme racism
*looks at Batman and Luke Skywalker*
While Adam Taurus from RWBY is not necessarily black, he is a minority in the RWBY universe. And hey he was killed off in season 6, for you know being racist and evil.
"Bad Guys do the dirty work" is a trope that I've always enjoyed.
Simple example: the "Lesser evil" henchman turns to the side of good because he realises you can't rule the world if the main villain destroys it.
Main villain has to die for some reason. Main hero can't bring themselves to do it. So the "Bad guy" saves the day by doing what the heroes, morally, can't.
I'm not really a racist, but being racist does not mean that you have no sense of humanity, empathy, honor, morality, ethical standards, etc. You may not like a certain person because of his/her origin or skin color, but that doesn't neccessarily mean that you wouldn't help when their life is in danger or when they get threatened in some other way.
But that is the kicker. He says exactly that. A person who hates a particular race, but would still save the members if this race because it's the right thing to do.
Exactly I HATE Muslims with a passion to rival ten thousand galaxies but I'd still save a child's life
@Robomann Yup as a western white guy you can be 2 things these days.
1 a selfhating person that hates his/her own race, and is willing to let their country be destroyed, just so they can feel "good"
2 a racist... for wanting your country to survive, for thinking if black people can do something so can white people, for wanting the world to treat people equal...
Yeah thats right, wanting the world to be equal is racist these days...
I got turned into a racists, and i embrace it...
For anyone that mathers knows that racists is not what it meant before...
darkdawnbringer I take number 2
Yeah you can sit in the middle, on the fence.
But the left will stil call you a racist, i just gave up defending myself from that.
The point of my post (that clearly went over your head), was you will be branded a "racist" nomather what.
The meaning of the word has changed, you still use the old definition.
When i say: I am racist, i doint mean kkk burning crosses and hangin black folks racist.
I mean: i like my country and i think it did alot of good in the world, and that it deserves to exist and survive, and if some misguided person wants to call me a racist for that, i doint mind, since discussion with these people is useless, they say racist not to have a confersation, but so they can ignore every point i could ever make.
Tldr: wear it like armor so they cant use it against you.
I know, you would never WANT to be a racist, but to them you ARE.
Edit: You even do it yourself, i expressed a opinion and a idea, and your first reaction to it is comparing me with the alt-right, i doint reduce people to thier pigmentation, but you reduce people to a single expression that you did not understand.
Guess who does that as well?
I'm not attacking you, im just trying to get you to think, so please stop demonising me, and talk normally.
Judy Hops from Zootopia. Checkmate.
shes not human, fuck your checkmates.
But was she a racist? Countered your counter-checkmates.
TheCheck7 I was thinking THE WHITE KNIGHT from cyanide and happiness myself.
@@dandydasyt4766 Yes, she profiled Nick based on what people said he would do not what he actually did and even carried a pepper spray type thing that was labeled as to be used against predator animals. If memory serves.
@@koen8993 My question was rhetorical to support my counter argument but thank you for replying anyway. :)
Me before the video: “Political correctness is too prominent in first world countries, so I can never write the characters I truly imagine in fear of backlash”.
Me, 14mins later: *Its free real estate*
black lash is bound to happen no matter what though
@@CrackedPropane That's why you shouldn't be afraid of backlash. The people who support you can turn on you at any moment, and there's always someone out there that thinks everything you do is stupid.
Look at JK Rowling. She catered to a demographic so hard for years, even retconning her characters to fit their narrative, and now they're all turning on her for not being upset over things someone else said.
Sucking up to political correctness will not protect you.
There you now have the perfect number of likes
And yea I agree
Anglosaurus Rex you need to go outside for once my dude, you’re not getting enough oxygen apparently lmao
Short Answer: Yes
Long Answer: Hell Yes
couldnt have said it better myself
You mean
Short answer:yes
Long answer:heeell yeeeaaaa
To Kill a Mockingbird says hi.
You'll have to elaborate. From what I remember of the story it was told from the perspective of a young girl named Scout who was as flawed as a reasonable child would be expected to be. Then Atticus was her father lawyer who defended a black man who was accused of raping the town drunk's daughter. Boo Radley was the mentally-ill individual who ended up saving the kids when the town drunk attempted to kill them. I suppose you could cite Atticus' hesitation with Scout and Jem attempting to interact with the mixed-race couple, but given the context of that time period I think it was considered normal to have those sentiments towards the intimate intermingling of the races.
@bigbenhoward I love bringing this up. Its very easy to treat people you're raised to love with dignity, heroic effort to give it because you should.
@bigbenhoward didn't the author disavow the the 2nd book? I remember some controversy about it right around the time she died.
@@jeangentry6656 To put it in modern terms, the 2nd book was an alternate universe. Harper Lee wrote that one first with the Atticus Finch character being the racist focus, but put that story away to write the story we know with Atticus Finch as an anti-racist hero. To quote that Atticus Finch, "I guess I am a n----- lover...I love everyone."
bigbenhoward the second book was released without permission and is possibly the original copy of the book that was scrapped, and with reason. I don’t think it should have ever been released, and honestly it tainted my veiw of the first book after reading it. I loved TKM, and reading about a deeply racist Atticus didn’t add any positives to my veiw of his character it just made me frustrated
anyone can be a hero
being a hero isn't a full time job
wake up a hero, brush your terth a hero.
no, it's just one moment, that instant when whats right supersedes everything else
Agreed. Heroism means going beyond one's call of duty.
Henry McCoy thanks collusus.
@@CrystallizedBlackSkull
*vomits* WHY!? *vomits again*
Yes it is a full time job.
Henry McCoy Well said Dr.McCoy!1
Anyone ever read HP lovecraft?
Well, Nyarlatothep (wrong spelling, i know) is a hero to me. He save the whole universe everyday
Seems like *you* haven't read Lovecraft.
He was more xenophobic than racist (clearly his life was dominated by several phobias), and his stories usually don't have heroes in the traditional sense.
He’s in no way heroic
this guy jakub whatever his silly name is...dude im from mexico we love lovecraft, he was not racist...and belive me we KNOWWW ALOT MORE THAN BLACK PEOPLE ABOUT RACIST SHIT...
Can a racist character be heroic?
Guts: I dont like you elves much.
But only the high elves.
Dark and wood elves are just doing there own thing.
(And the orcs aswell.)
Well elves are cold and evil beeings, shouldn't let u disguise from their glitter an beauty
@@zura2263 yes Puck was the real antagonist all along
That's why Elfhelm must be a real torture for him (well, besides Casca's current state).
wheeeeze
Cyanide and Happiness's White Knight is the perfect example
Your channel is literal gold. Thank you. I love your presentation as well as the content, the black and red text is engaging and refreshing, actually. Absolutely love your work. I found watching your videos more helpful than reading 'how to create a good character guides'. Im really excited to see more from you!!!
Wakka from Final Fantasy X if he counts. He hates the Al Bhed race and is forced to confront it later on in the story
I think he counts. Wakka is a cool and heroic character who happens to hate a certain race of people. He doesn't immediately turn around on it either. It takes time, but he's still portrayed as a good guy even after being exposed as a racist. (I don't think you'd see that today since being racist is almost worse than murder now lol)
Lets not forget that he is confronted with even worse stuff. He helps Yuna travel to Zanarkand so she can remove the big monster Sin from the world. He is a worshiper of the teaching of Yevon that is the majority religion in the game. However when they get to Zanarkand, they find out that the whole Yevon religion is a farce. Sin is formed out a Aeon that was used to defeat the possessed Aeon, and the summoners role is to travel to Zanarkand to kill the possessed Aeon and replace it so the cycle and start over.
Wakka not only finds out that his religion is there only to give everyone false hope, but it was a scam all along. The Al Bhed have been deems to be heretics for no good reason and he is forced to confront the fact he has been fooled by his religious teachings. After that he can no longer support his hatred for the Al Bhed as it is grounded in the teaching of Yevon.
He counts if you ask me.
Yeah I forgot about that. It took Rikku becoming a Guardian and finding out that Yuna herself was half Al-Bhed, plus getting redpilled on the entire pilgramage to finally let go of that (it was basically like The One from the Matrix where the Summoner would get the Final Aeon to smite Sin, but ended up killing themselves and the chose Guardian who becomes the Final Aeon warps into Sin themselves).
@Cloud Seeker - Don't forget they find out that the very Bevellians used machina against the teachings of Yevon and most of their prominent members of the clergy were also Unsent themselves.
It's bad when the villains in your story feel more human and relatable than the heroes your supposed to be rooting for.
This is why Batman is more successful than Superman (generally speaking). Tell me SJWs, do you bleed? 😝
lol nice.
@Joseph Ippolito yes! I do
Well seeing as a lot of them are females and therefore have menutrations, i believe they do.
No, that's not why Batman is more successful. There are plenty of people outside of SJWs who prefer Batman. I can list different reasons why people may prefer Batman.
1. People start life preferring Superman but as they age and grow more cynical about life and people, they prefer Batman.
2. Dark and edgy=cooler
3. He does the hero thing without any powers
4. He may feel more human because in some iterations he has moral struggles
5. More memorable lines (i.e. I am the Night)
6. He's portrayed as more intelligent/clever
7. His villains may be more iconic (i.e. Joker, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, etc.)
8. Cooler costume?
9. Just the idea of a regular human being able to take down all the other members of the Justice League because they took the time to analyze them and learn their weaknesses
10. Biggest superhero family in the DCU
@Joseph Ippolito Of course, everyone loves his rich Dick...Grayson. xD
To be fair though, if some dude killed my "hetero lifepartner" I´d go raging too. Especially if i was a fricking demigod capable of beating up an immortal river spirit.
You watch Red's telling of the Iliad too?
THE GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND.
And his Angels of Death the Adeptus Astartes.
Warhammer 40k...
Christian Blanchard That universe is one of extremes. We have to remember that the Dark age of Technology was basically a Star Trek utopia until the brith is Slaanseh causing the age of Strife. With humanity isolated and communication impossible the alien friends of humanity inslaved and brutalized them.
The Great Crusade was intended to save humanity from extinction by any means necessary.
@@wmdragonj I know the lore. I was making a point...
@@wmdragonj Strange, I remembered that the Age of Strife was before Slaanesh's birth and it was his/her/its birth that cleared the warp storms disrupting space travel so the Emperor could launch his crusade. I may be wrong though.
There are no good guys. The Imperium is fallen good guy at best.
Nobody is racist in 40K. Hating xenos is not racism because Xeno's are not human.
*Shows picture of Trump*
"Yeah... Imagine getting millenials to buy that comic every month."
Me: *laughs in Wall Might*
"Do you feel like a hero yet?" -Colonel John Conrad of the Damned 33rd (Spec Ops: The Line)
This man tells the protagonist this. The reason for it being that the protagonist forwent his assigned mission to check for survivors and report for evac. Instead the protagonist staged a war to save people and ended up dooming them in the process. Its a perfect game for this intention vs outcome thought experiment going on.
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Being heroic isn’t defined. To some characters, racist characters see their values as heroic.
The answer is: yes
Clint Eastwood's character in Gran Torino
And the 16th U.S. president
But he ended up not racist at the end though.
@@ryanmims9110 Thats the point of the video, i think. He was a racist, but he have overcomed his flaw at the end, finishing his character arc
@@thalesanastacio760 so he's no longer human because he lost his flaw and become a fucking perfect guy, what's the point in having flaws if you have to overcome them.
I loved that movie.
Being too devoted can be an actual character flaw because their devotion could lead them down a path of destruction and evil if written correctly
Like anakin
@@anthonytorres-cruz1598 yes
I wouldn't Call Captain America Too Devoted though he had No problem Rebelling against His Superiors
Maybe Too Naive and Idealistic
If writers will listen to you maybe we can get some decent stories again. I am inspired to write great characters when I listen to your videos.
Awesome!
You are not the only one!
Same.
I recommend Way of Kings. It is the best series of books to ever be written. In my humble opinion.
With regard to the beginning example, I believe that right and wrong ONLY follow intent. When one murderer kills another murderer, there is no intent to do good. The fact that others benefit is incidental. The same benefit would have occurred if the murderer had died to cancer or a traffic accident, and neither of them would be heroic. Conversely, an attempt too stop the murderer could be heroic, even if it ultimately failed and he continued to kill people.
Regarding the racist hero, I don't think that there is any conflict at all. The best heroic stories involve a journey. The farther the protagonist has to go to become the hero, the more heroic he is. A decent guy, equipped with the appropriate schooling and resources, goes out and fulfills his destiny... Boring. He was primed to succeed in every way.
A cowardly, ignorant, weakling, full of spite, jealousy and prejudice, is forced into a heroic journey against his will. At first, he resents it and resists it, and our reader despises him for his lack of virtue. Then, as his backstory is revealed, the source of his dysfunction is revealed and while still despicable, he becomes sympathetic to some degree. Then, maybe in a uncharacteristic decision or maybe even on accident, he does his first "good." He knows in his heart that he doesn't truly deserve praise, but he gets his first "feel good" moment, and the reader sees the first glimmer of redemption. The scumbag doesn't really want to be a scumbag after all. Throughout the rest of the story, we see the protagonist struggle to throw off his former life. Then comes the climax, where he must act in a self-sacrificing way. It's only then that the read sees that his journey had made him uniquely capable of this act, that other benevolent people would have lacked the particular insight that his rough beginning provided. Then, he must choose to embrace both the heroic tendencies that he has recently acquired, as well as his rougher beginnings, to become the character the story is truly about.
The story isn't about BEING the hero. The story is about BECOMING the hero. The lower he starts, the greater potential in the journey. But... To truly become the hero, he does have to cast off the negative characteristics. That's why Wolverine isn't a hero. He may have some heroic tendencies. But he never truly casts off evil, nor embraces good.
"PURITY ONLY!"
-Person who is absolutely not pure
This reminds me of Rorschach, with his “ferocious integrity”
And Homophobic.
@@hanniballanda794 Wasn't it more of a observation of homosexuality for his case than bigotry?
@@amidnightsnack9256 He was a closeted gay that hate gays. And not because he exclusively hate gays, he dispissed everybody and everything.
Rorschach still died as a hero. While Manhattan, the literal god, started to think that life was overrated, Rorschach experienced the very worst that humanity had to offer, and still kept his faith in it.
It's as a fucking ink blot (crazy, I know), whatever you want to see in him.
@@hanniballanda794 He isn't a fucking homophobe.
"There is a difference between a character with evil thoughts and an evil character" I love that
I mean, Rorschach in Watchman isn't a racist but he is (at least in the comic) a definite sexist and homophobe, but he's still a fan favourite. Being a racist but still doing some occasional good is basically what Magneto from the Xmen is all about as well, and over the years he's become more of an anti-hero than a villain. So I guess the answer is yes, you can still be viewed as heroic while being a racist. In Five Billboards outside Missouri, one of the main characters is a racist but is shown in a heroic light by helping to catch a paedophile. In the fantasy book series called "Mistborn", the main character for the first book, Keisler, is clearly racist to a certain group of people (I won't spoil) but he's still the story's hero. I could go on but you get the idea
Also, just wanted to say that I think you oversimplified the character of Superman by saying he has no conflict. In most Superman stories, the themes deal with finding your place in the world, being an immigrant, the responsibility of power, etc., not whether he can save people from a burning house. IMO, Superman is one of the most interesting comic characters because he is just genuinely trying to do the right thing, not to get revenge or because he's a damaged individual.
hell Professor X and Magneto was a massive allegory for Dr. Martin Luther King and Malcolm X...
*Three Billboards
He also shows a very narrow mind for womans rights too.
You understand Superman. Respect.
Superman is an example of OP done right, because the question is not if he can get through it. He's Superman. Of course he does. But to be a man isn't just to say "I will do the good and not the evil." It is to decide WHICH THING is the good and which is the evil, and then fight for it. It's the decision, the reasoning, that make men. To be a SUPER man, is to do that on a larger scale, with greater power, and greater consequences. Every moment, of every day, Superman hears people crying out. He has super hearing that works in space. He has super intellect to filter and process. He CAN AND DOES hear each and every cry for help, and understand them, individually and distinctly. He has super speed to rival the Flash. He CAN save them all. But what kind of a world would that make? How inconceivably small would the human spirit become, if our one and only answer to any problem was to call for salvation and never stand for ourselves? The super man chooses. That we should all be men, and have the chance to be super.
All fairness the Marvel characters definitely had good flaws lol. For example yes Steve Rogers's flaws were based around him being too nice and too pure but the thing is that they were executed very well because those flaws actually had consequences. That's what makes flaws matter, not the subject of them.
1:08 - 1:43
The counterargument to that example.
There is mp such thing as being too much pure or nice or kind
In short:
You can have charcters without any real flaws, it's all about the execution.
@@knightgem8234 Just a bunch of adjectives that neither explore those characters' motivations nor explain the absence of flaw in them.
Captain America's flaw shows up in the third film where he defies the soberany of every country by not signing those accords. He could have even quitted after watching the injust chase of the Winter Soldier, but when he disrespected the States authority by principle, he broke the Avengers in their core principle: to defend humanity; because he didn't respect humanity's decisions. It's too subtle and also badly executed, but it's there.
IronMan is a self-centered playboy whose actions damage people and turn them to a life of crime (The Vulture; Mysterion, by what I heard; Aldrich Killion) or simply into marginality (Captain America and folks) for trying to impose himself instead of establishing some just dialogue.
Scarlet Witch resents Tony Stark for the death of her parents. Her revenge drive nearly kills all humanity as she makes a wrong ally in Ultron.
I'll look for more videos, but I'm a bit dissatisfied by this youtuber's oversimplification.
@LTNetjak Tony Stark forced that accord onto the Avengers. He wasn't right either.
Of course, the Avengers divided gave Thanos the winning ground in "Infinity War", are you insane?
Man, I find myself coming back to this video year after year - it's such a good take on not just character writing but also a unique perspective in good and evil and the struggle between the two.