Hi Aaron, I really enjoy your videos. Very informative and helpful. I have the Livepro L1, and I wanted to mention a few things I found out about it. First, some people have mistakenly updated the firmware of the L1 with the L2 firmware update, which is not correct. There is another unit that Feelworld will soon be releasing called the L2, with the difference being it allows for controlling the movement of the connected cameras. The handling of audio for the L1 was limited since it only allows for either embedded (sound from the active HDMI-connected camera) or External (audio jack). Having the audio follow the active camera was useless since you would need to adjust the camera mic sound to match for each camera so it sounded consistent. But this issue was solved with the most recent L1 firmware update, where now besides choosing Embedded or External, you can also choose any one of the HDMI-connected cameras, and therefore have one external mic connected to that camera, and the audio will always come from that selected camera no matter which HDMI input you switch to. Again, thanks for your informative and well-produced videos.
So the L1 can choose the main source audio playing while we change the angle of camera ? Lets say I have rode wireless go and should I attach on the camera or plug straight into the L1 ?
@@DangLeProject92 hookup the wireless Go to one of the cameras, and then choose that camera as the source of the audio. The syncing of the sound and video will be better.
After watching your review yesterday, I canceled my purchase of the ATEM Mini and bought the Livepro L1. I then discovered that they’ve upgraded the firmware in the meantime, so I feel I made a good decision. The comment you made that changed my mind was that the ATEM Mini has “too many buttons.” You said it diplomatically, but the point for me is simplicity. As a single user, the disadvantage of the L1 being limited to one audio input wasn’t an issue for me. Thank you!
Great video. Your professionalism shows through in the small thing like syncing your audio in post when you had the feelworld monitor on multiview when talking about the features. (hands were in camera and then delayed on the feelworld) Its the little touches like that, that most youtubers wouldnt bother with, but just goes to show the difference between caring about your videos and just uploading content. Thanks for taking care of the details.
I have the ATEM Mini, and I'll venture to say that multiview is not the main advantage of going for ATEM Mini Pro.. but instead the real advantage is having hardware-based encoding, streaming, and recording without having to rely on OSB or similar software. You can always configure the ATEM Mini to preview one source at a time (through HDMI out) by pressing the big 1-4 buttons. Not multiview, but good enough to see whats coming before taking the shot.
Thank you for clearing up in the first minute that the L1 is comparable with the mini and not with the mini-pro (which I have). Saves me watching a video :)
Thank you Aaron. This video helped me to decide. So I have ordered Livepro. My config : Livepro for mixing video, Blackmagic intensity shuttle usb3.0 for capturing hdmi with obs, Microsoft Go for multiview over Livepro Usb output, Behringer U-phoria UMC404HD for sound. Audio and video can be synced in obs. Usb multiview on Livepro is clear win, so I can capture higher quality hdmi out.
Hi, Aaron. Thanks so much for the great video. I'm a little closer to making a decision between the two but had a question. I livestream my music and use a focusrite scarlett interface into my computer so I think the audio capabilities of either are a non issue. However, will I see any latency by routing the audio that way and if I do, which unit would be better at resolving the latency? Thanks and I saved your affiliate links for either purchase.
Very cool review. I have been contemplating what is right for me and this video did great at pointing out limitations. I think the Feelworld may suit me since I do talking head and control my audio on pro devices. Thanks dude!
Very useful. But what if I have a scarlett audio interface and I want to send audio from there streight into the live stream for example OB, can I manage the audio separately without connecting it to the Atem or the L1? So in this kind of scenario I wouldn't use any audio source from the cameras, instead I would take advantage of my audio equipement in parallel is it possible basing on your experience? ☺ #DarkVanities
Amazing video. Thank you. Although I still have a question, for example, I do have an external audio channel for my Podcast (Rodcaster Pro 1) so I won't need the audio from any of these two options, so would you still recommend me the L1, ATEM mini or the ATEM mini Pro? Thank you :)
Had the L1 been available prior to my ATEM mini purchase, I probably would have bought that instead. That said, if nothing better comes out in the next few months, I'll probably buy an ISO. From the teardown of video another TH-camr did, there's still some expandability available in the mini line, even if they don't redesign the board and layout. Instead of or on top of adding monitor abilities to the USB port, I'd rather see it through the network cable. Then when someone is controlling the ATEM from another PC, they can do so from another location in the room or even outside the room and still see the feeds. Call it a social distancing feature. The feature I want the most is to be able to assign hot keys to the macros. Second would be put video (webm videos can be small) and even audio recordings in the media pool. Especially in the Pro and ISO models, where they are designed to be stand alone streaming devices. As it stands for many peoples needs, they still need to run the ATEM as an input through OBS or other software to stream the way they want.
Awesome video! I just heard about the L1 yesterday, I had a question, if I wanted to console stream and I had the Xbox series X, Mac mini M1, Sony zv-e10 and let’s say a GoPro hero 10 would the L1 be a good buy?! Worried you can only get one audio out per input how would one set that up 🤔thanks!!
You'd need to send the game console video out of the mixer through one of the video output ports on the mixer. The ATEM Mini has a special mode for this that sends a copy out with no added latency.
1) Does the L1 have "Picture in Picture" ? 2) What is the "macro" capability of the L1? I use the macro function on the Atem Mini to switch between cameras and PIP without touching any buttons once it's running. This is a deal breaker for me if the L1 doesn't have this. Thanks in advance.
L1 has PIP. For some automated macro function I think is better to have Atem mini. Atem mini and livepro should get married and have son AtemMiniLivePro :)
Hi Aaron, You elaborated on the audio capabilities of the Atem Mini, but if you have a professional audio-interface and you record and process the audio through a music production software (like Cubase), is the audio processing aspect of the Atem Mini really necessary?
So, I've had both models. I bought the Feelworld first, liked the T bar and TFT screen. The model I received was DOA. The Tbar on the Livepro had a broken sensor that couldn't tell if it was positioned to the left or the right, which effectively bricked it. The device won't work if the Tbar isn't to the absolute left or the absolute right. Took I back to the store where I got it from (B&H) and the cashier said 'Yeah...that's Feelworld for ya."
Question ❓ what if you combined an Atem AND this unit to have more than 4 ports as well as eliminate the hdcp issues of the Atem? Best of both worlds? Or is there a reason the combo would not work?
Yeah that'd work great too! Only downside I'd see at that point is the L1 can't be controlled with the same macros or controller as the ATEM, but for handling all the switching manually with the buttons on each device that would work just fine!
Question: Can the L1 run the HDMI out and USB out at the same time? So you can run video out to on site monitors while simultaneously feeding to a live stream? Or is it one or the other? Thanks!!!
I’d take the ATEM simply for the added audio processing abilities.... the deficiencies over the L1 are a pain, but having great audio cannot be underestimated, and if you know how to set the gate, eq, and compressor, with decent mics, you’re getting GREAT audio within that tiny ATEM box....
I like the comparison. I loved the t-handle fader on the Feelworld L1 and L2., as well as the multivideo screen. However, both have locked up on me during Zoom classes, causing me to reboot and have them lock up again. It seems they work very well for a short time, then start to act wonky. I thought it might be overheating, so I got a switch to turn them off (yeah, what's with these guys and no off switch?), and placed them on a twin fan laptop cooler. Didn't work. I don't have time to debug this misery, so I bought the Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro. Hopefully, I don't have the same problem with it. We'll see!
Hi and thanks for the review! one question: I'd like to use one of these devices to make video while I'm playing and singing. in your review you told that the ATEM MINI has a better audio than the L1... do you think that this could guide my choice? becuase I'd prefer the L1, but I don't want to have bad sound quality. ah one thing, I'll use an external audio mixer. thanks for your feedback
I didn't do any rigorous audio quality tests, but that comment was referring more to the tools and flexibility of the audio features between the two. For example the ATEM can mix audio from all 4 cameras and the two analog inputs at different levels and with the built in EQ and dynamics processing. If you're doing all your audio mixing in an external device then these two should be about equivalent
I have Atom mini pro. But I don't get multi view or pre view AND program output at same time. ? What is your suggestion. In Black magic always extra screen we have to attach....
Since the ATEM Mini Pro has only one HDMI output, you have to decide whether you want to use it for the multiview or program output. The good news is a recent firmware update has made it so you can get the multiview out of the USB port if you want, so at least you can monitor that on your computer if you want to now, saving the HDMI out for program.
Question! Does only multiwiew lengthen the image? Does the same thing happen in the Streaming Program? Does it send an elongated image to viewers, or is the normal image 1920x1080? Thanks
You can use OBS to add audio delay. What I did was record a stream, and also record on a camera, then doing a quick audio/visual slate of clapping your hands on camera. Then take the two recordings and compare them in a video editor. The camera recording would be considered the "true" sync'd recording between audio and video, while the stream recording would reveal the delay between audio and video. For me the delay was about 5 frames, or 208 ms. In the OBS software, you would add the necessary audio delay (in my case, 208ms). Just make sure the stream recording is the same frame rate as the in-camera recording. Even though I did this all manually, about 5-6 frames I think is the typical delay so if you don't want to go through this process, you can just go with that to hopefully get you close enough.
I am looking for a straight, basic low latency scaling HDMI switcher for IMAG purposes like the Extron IN1604 (1-2 frames latency), but this one is very expensive. Do you know what the latency is of these two devices?
I just don't know. I always seemed to like BD, but even the Pro can't do split output. This is really a big con. As for the ATEM allowing to adjust sound from multiple camera - during the interviews, you most probably are going to use some wireless mics, so your sound will not come from the camera anyway. All those ATEM buttons are not so much useful then. Wondering if Feelword, Cerevo LiweWedge or something from Roland is not the better option.
@@aaronpk Just an example, both L1 and mini are RGBlink inside. If you have time, welcome to give the comments to similar open box, th-cam.com/video/-QiZQpgwGcw/w-d-xo.html.
I'm researching an alternative to ATEM Mini switchers. I owned two and both switchers had bad HDMI outputs after using them a very short time. One went bad after the second day out of the box. I have a vendor that has same issue. My video engineer told me ATEM Minis are prone to bad HDMI outputs. Hence I will no longer purchase Black Magic switchers. Can you tell me if the Feelworld Livepro L1 is sturdy and have you had any connectors go bad?
@@aaronpk I returned my ATEM Mini and decided to order an Elvid switcher - it's coming in a few days and I'll be trying it out next week on a live event. I read the reviews on all alternatives to ATEM and decided to give Elvid a try. I almost pulled the trigger on the AV Matrix SDI/HDMI 6 input switcher; however, after reading about complaints of the excessive heat emission I went on to something else - it's too bad about the AV Matrix not working out for me, for it has everything I want in a switcher.
Interesting, I've never heard of Elvid before. Looking at their 4-input switcher on the website it appears to be identical to the AVMatrix HVS0403U both physically and the software. I'm guessing they licensed it from AVMatrix, so I'm curious to hear how it will work out for you!
@@aaronpk What I really wanted was the AVMATRIX VS0601U, but read it gets very hot. One fellow posted a video that it bubbled an acrylic sheet that you place under your rolling chair! If the Elvid does not work out for me, I'll order the AVMATRIX VS0601U and put a laptop fan under it. I really need the mixture of SDI/HDMI ins and outs for my events. I will report back late next week on how the Elvid worked out for me. Thanks for posting this forum. I learn a lot from people like you and it helps me make purchasing decisions.
Bought the Roland V-02HD based on your review. While I like the 4 multi-camera input/view of LiveproL1 and the ability to plug into the USB on my laptop for livestreaming without a dongle, I hate the fact I can't record separate video on another source like a video monitor/recorder. Recording on the computer just takes up more RAM and storage. I have yet to hear anything about Chroma Key (I use that for graphics in my Roland) or a screw assembly to attach L1 to my tripod. While the Roland has only two inputs I bypass this problem with an A/V switcher from Walmart to add 4 sources. Since I still need separate audio via a mixer, I guess my next purchase will be the YOLO in a year or so when the price is goes down. Thanks again for your reviews and tips!
@@aaronpk And does it have the media pool and chroma options? The L1 that is. I just got the ATEM mini two weeks ago and now I see this device. I`m really wondering if i should return my Mini and switch to this. I use external mixer for the audio and i dont really care about the ATEM mini audio features. If the only advantage for the L1 over the mini is the multiview though and you lose the media pool stuff and the chroma key i would not switch to L1. Boy... am I in a pickle..... :D
Main Big difference between the L1 and the ATEM MINI aside from the Multiview and the Audio Processing is the System or Software Side of things.... In this category and price point nothing can beat the ATEM MINI.... Yes you can't do much on the Hardware vs Hardware side of things if you compare it with L1... but Man! with the software of the whole ATEM, there's a lot more flexibility there, you can do tons of things, setting keyers, Compression, EQ, Stills, DSK, network control, etc. IMO you need to ask yourself what you need the most or what's important to you... Multiview or the Flexibility of ATEM Mini. Other than that you have your answer.
Great helpful video, we are live streaming with obs and when I plug more than 2 camera obs shows message overloaded encoder. I am use l1 with my obs Will it help?
I've just received the Livepro L1 and with the first test found that it gets very hot - too hot to hold. It is running latest firmware and I tested with only 2 HDMI inputs. Has anyone else had this experience? Wondering if mine is faulty...
Surprised no one else is bothered that they used a USB3.0 type "A" connector where it should be a type "B" or "C". Besides being non-standard, this requires an oddball "A to A" cable to connect to your PC. There are quality control problems with the whole ATEM Mini line, but Blackmagic is at least an established company that you can get some support from. This product (now called LIVEPRO L1 V1) needs to hit a lower price point to make it a better value than the ATEM Mini.
I understand why you’ve compared the boxes feature-by-feature but isn’t there a key aspect which you’ve missed; the quality of the encoders and the resultant output? Both audio and video.
The HDMI output on both should be identical, the only difference would be in the webcam conversion. I'm actually planning on doing a separate video comparing the quality of a bunch of USB capture cards, and the ATEM Mini and L1 will be included in that!
Good comparison. If the livepro is removing hdcp and it's able to capture into a PC then they are probably breaking the law and opening up themselves for litigation
Can you run the atem mini into a splitter for running into multiple computers to be able to livestream to multiple platforms using a single feed from the switcher? Hope that makes sense. Great Vid. Very helpful
Aaron, I'm looking for a simple webcam switcher to use in my Skype music lessons. Would the Feelpro L1 work if connect my USB webcams with USB-to-HDMI adaptors? I use a separate mic, so the L1's skimpy audio features are of no concern. Thanks for your advice!
There isn't really a good solution for webcam-to-HDMI, so that probably won't work. You'll want to upgrade to some HDMI cameras sooner than later if you want to do multiple angles.
@@aaronpk Thanks. I have a Canon DSLR with mini HDMI out, and an old Lumix with what I believe is micro HDMI out. With adaptor cables, that should work with either the LivePro 1, or the ATEM mini, right? Do you recommend any other low cost cameras that would work in this scenario? Really appreciate your guidance, I'm a musician just trying to up my Skype tutoring game!
The thing you want to look out for is whether the cameras have "clean HDMI out". I suspect the Canon camera will probably overlay all the camera information on the HDMI out. The Lumix might work but it depends on which model. The cheapest camera I've found that will get you excellent quality is the Lumix G7 (geni.us/sJFt) which is $500 including a lens. GoPros are a similar price but the quality isn't nearly as good for this so I'd stay away from those even if it saves you $50 or $100.
Hi Aaron, I really enjoy your videos. Very informative and helpful. I have the Livepro L1, and I wanted to mention a few things I found out about it. First, some people have mistakenly updated the firmware of the L1 with the L2 firmware update, which is not correct. There is another unit that Feelworld will soon be releasing called the L2, with the difference being it allows for controlling the movement of the connected cameras. The handling of audio for the L1 was limited since it only allows for either embedded (sound from the active HDMI-connected camera) or External (audio jack). Having the audio follow the active camera was useless since you would need to adjust the camera mic sound to match for each camera so it sounded consistent. But this issue was solved with the most recent L1 firmware update, where now besides choosing Embedded or External, you can also choose any one of the HDMI-connected cameras, and therefore have one external mic connected to that camera, and the audio will always come from that selected camera no matter which HDMI input you switch to. Again, thanks for your informative and well-produced videos.
So the L1 can choose the main source audio playing while we change the angle of camera ? Lets say I have rode wireless go and should I attach on the camera or plug straight into the L1 ?
@@DangLeProject92 hookup the wireless Go to one of the cameras, and then choose that camera as the source of the audio. The syncing of the sound and video will be better.
After watching your review yesterday, I canceled my purchase of the ATEM Mini and bought the Livepro L1. I then discovered that they’ve upgraded the firmware in the meantime, so I feel I made a good decision. The comment you made that changed my mind was that the ATEM Mini has “too many buttons.” You said it diplomatically, but the point for me is simplicity. As a single user, the disadvantage of the L1 being limited to one audio input wasn’t an issue for me. Thank you!
Great video. Your professionalism shows through in the small thing like syncing your audio in post when you had the feelworld monitor on multiview when talking about the features. (hands were in camera and then delayed on the feelworld) Its the little touches like that, that most youtubers wouldnt bother with, but just goes to show the difference between caring about your videos and just uploading content. Thanks for taking care of the details.
hah thanks for noticing! It might just be my OCD that makes me do that!
Great video Aaron! A comparison between YoloBox and ATEM Mini Pro & ISO might also be highly anticipated!! there are so many inquries and requests!!
I have the ATEM Mini, and I'll venture to say that multiview is not the main advantage of going for ATEM Mini Pro.. but instead the real advantage is having hardware-based encoding, streaming, and recording without having to rely on OSB or similar software.
You can always configure the ATEM Mini to preview one source at a time (through HDMI out) by pressing the big 1-4 buttons. Not multiview, but good enough to see whats coming before taking the shot.
Thank you for clearing up in the first minute that the L1 is comparable with the mini and not with the mini-pro (which I have). Saves me watching a video :)
Thank you Aaron. This video helped me to decide. So I have ordered Livepro. My config : Livepro for mixing video, Blackmagic intensity shuttle usb3.0 for capturing hdmi with obs, Microsoft Go for multiview over Livepro Usb output, Behringer U-phoria UMC404HD for sound. Audio and video can be synced in obs.
Usb multiview on Livepro is clear win, so I can capture higher quality hdmi out.
The HDMI output to another screen is awesome. I know it can be done on the Atem Pro or Iso but this just seems so much easier.
Hi, Aaron. Thanks so much for the great video. I'm a little closer to making a decision between the two but had a question. I livestream my music and use a focusrite scarlett interface into my computer so I think the audio capabilities of either are a non issue. However, will I see any latency by routing the audio that way and if I do, which unit would be better at resolving the latency? Thanks and I saved your affiliate links for either purchase.
Thank you. This is just the video I was looking for!!!!
Very cool review. I have been contemplating what is right for me and this video did great at pointing out limitations. I think the Feelworld may suit me since I do talking head and control my audio on pro devices. Thanks dude!
Very useful. But what if I have a scarlett audio interface and I want to send audio from there streight into the live stream for example OB, can I manage the audio separately without connecting it to the Atem or the L1? So in this kind of scenario I wouldn't use any audio source from the cameras, instead I would take advantage of my audio equipement in parallel is it possible basing on your experience? ☺ #DarkVanities
This video is fantastic!! Thanks for doing it. As much as I like Blackmagic, I'm really sold on the L1!
Thank you for getting right into the nuts and bolts of the issue. I found the video to be very helpful and informative.
Lol
Amazing video. Thank you. Although I still have a question, for example, I do have an external audio channel for my Podcast (Rodcaster Pro 1) so I won't need the audio from any of these two options, so would you still recommend me the L1, ATEM mini or the ATEM mini Pro? Thank you :)
Had the L1 been available prior to my ATEM mini purchase, I probably would have bought that instead.
That said, if nothing better comes out in the next few months, I'll probably buy an ISO. From the teardown of video another TH-camr did, there's still some expandability available in the mini line, even if they don't redesign the board and layout.
Instead of or on top of adding monitor abilities to the USB port, I'd rather see it through the network cable. Then when someone is controlling the ATEM from another PC, they can do so from another location in the room or even outside the room and still see the feeds. Call it a social distancing feature.
The feature I want the most is to be able to assign hot keys to the macros. Second would be put video (webm videos can be small) and even audio recordings in the media pool. Especially in the Pro and ISO models, where they are designed to be stand alone streaming devices. As it stands for many peoples needs, they still need to run the ATEM as an input through OBS or other software to stream the way they want.
I am a huge fan of the Atem Mini Pro!!
Awesome video! I just heard about the L1 yesterday, I had a question, if I wanted to console stream and I had the Xbox series X, Mac mini M1, Sony zv-e10 and let’s say a GoPro hero 10 would the L1 be a good buy?! Worried you can only get one audio out per input how would one set that up 🤔thanks!!
2:19 how could u see the game from
the console while connected to the mixer ?
You'd need to send the game console video out of the mixer through one of the video output ports on the mixer. The ATEM Mini has a special mode for this that sends a copy out with no added latency.
1) Does the L1 have "Picture in Picture" ?
2) What is the "macro" capability of the L1? I use the macro function on the Atem Mini to switch between cameras and PIP without touching any buttons once it's running. This is a deal breaker for me if the L1 doesn't have this.
Thanks in advance.
L1 has PIP. For some automated macro function I think is better to have Atem mini. Atem mini and livepro should get married and have son AtemMiniLivePro :)
Great comparative review. I'm still on the fence, as I'm not very familiar with this technology. Do you have a dedicated Li review video?
Hi Aaron, You elaborated on the audio capabilities of the Atem Mini, but if you have a professional audio-interface and you record and process the audio through a music production software (like Cubase), is the audio processing aspect of the Atem Mini really necessary?
Yeah if you have an external mixer then you don't really need all the audio features in the Mini. I just like not needing to use a mixer with it.
Great review Aaron.
why do you need the splitter for the chromecast?
can you use the feel world for all live stream platforms. Facebook, zoom, stream yard etc?
So, I've had both models. I bought the Feelworld first, liked the T bar and TFT screen. The model I received was DOA. The Tbar on the Livepro had a broken sensor that couldn't tell if it was positioned to the left or the right, which effectively bricked it. The device won't work if the Tbar isn't to the absolute left or the absolute right. Took I back to the store where I got it from (B&H) and the cashier said 'Yeah...that's Feelworld for ya."
on a totally sidenote I felt dizzy from the focus going in and out continuously lol
great video as always!
Great! Very helpful, thank you
Question ❓ what if you combined an Atem AND this unit to have more than 4 ports as well as eliminate the hdcp issues of the Atem?
Best of both worlds? Or is there a reason the combo would not work?
Yeah that'd work great too! Only downside I'd see at that point is the L1 can't be controlled with the same macros or controller as the ATEM, but for handling all the switching manually with the buttons on each device that would work just fine!
Question: Can the L1 run the HDMI out and USB out at the same time? So you can run video out to on site monitors while simultaneously feeding to a live stream? Or is it one or the other? Thanks!!!
Does L1 device support Picture in Picture?.
Appreciate this breakdown.
Awesome. This is great channel :) could you upload way of the firmware upgrade for feelworld livepro L1?
@ 1:21 ( ATEM "MINI") is also a "USB" capture device...??
both the atem and feelworld
I’d take the ATEM simply for the added audio processing abilities.... the deficiencies over the L1 are a pain, but having great audio cannot be underestimated, and if you know how to set the gate, eq, and compressor, with decent mics, you’re getting GREAT audio within that tiny ATEM box....
I like the comparison. I loved the t-handle fader on the Feelworld L1 and L2., as well as the multivideo screen. However, both have locked up on me during Zoom classes, causing me to reboot and have them lock up again. It seems they work very well for a short time, then start to act wonky. I thought it might be overheating, so I got a switch to turn them off (yeah, what's with these guys and no off switch?), and placed them on a twin fan laptop cooler. Didn't work. I don't have time to debug this misery, so I bought the Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro. Hopefully, I don't have the same problem with it. We'll see!
Hi and thanks for the review! one question: I'd like to use one of these devices to make video while I'm playing and singing. in your review you told that the ATEM MINI has a better audio than the L1... do you think that this could guide my choice? becuase I'd prefer the L1, but I don't want to have bad sound quality.
ah one thing, I'll use an external audio mixer. thanks for your feedback
I didn't do any rigorous audio quality tests, but that comment was referring more to the tools and flexibility of the audio features between the two. For example the ATEM can mix audio from all 4 cameras and the two analog inputs at different levels and with the built in EQ and dynamics processing. If you're doing all your audio mixing in an external device then these two should be about equivalent
FYI, The ATEM Mini handles 10bit 4:2:2 video, the LT limited to 8bit only ;(
Hey great Video, thanks for that, Do you have a tutorial of how to add google cast to freeworld for the chats?
I do actually! th-cam.com/video/HwctGtdsHZI/w-d-xo.html
I went from the Feelworld L1 to ATEM Mini Pro. The L1 beats the standard ATEM Mini if it's working properly..
Hi, What is the Output of the Feelworld L1 ? is it 10 Bit 422 ?
just purchased and very hot after an hour of use
IT has a built-in FAN on the right side, just click the switch
L1 (not L2!) has a firmware update that de-embeds audio.
Good info to help make a correct choice, thanks
I have Atom mini pro.
But I don't get multi view or pre view AND program output at same time. ? What is your suggestion. In Black magic always extra screen we have to attach....
Since the ATEM Mini Pro has only one HDMI output, you have to decide whether you want to use it for the multiview or program output. The good news is a recent firmware update has made it so you can get the multiview out of the USB port if you want, so at least you can monitor that on your computer if you want to now, saving the HDMI out for program.
Great video! Thank you
Question!
Does only multiwiew lengthen the image?
Does the same thing happen in the Streaming Program?
Does it send an elongated image to viewers, or is the normal image 1920x1080? Thanks
Yeah it's only the multiview that has the weird stretched image, the program out is normal
Hey Aaron, Does this L1 have the same function as the ATEM Pro where it no longer drains main computer resources? Thanks!
Yeah, same idea. All the processing is done in the device, and your computer sees it all as just one webcam
If i got the L1, how do i deal with the audio timing/syncing adjustments? Do you have any videos on it?
You can use OBS to add audio delay. What I did was record a stream, and also record on a camera, then doing a quick audio/visual slate of clapping your hands on camera. Then take the two recordings and compare them in a video editor. The camera recording would be considered the "true" sync'd recording between audio and video, while the stream recording would reveal the delay between audio and video. For me the delay was about 5 frames, or 208 ms. In the OBS software, you would add the necessary audio delay (in my case, 208ms). Just make sure the stream recording is the same frame rate as the in-camera recording. Even though I did this all manually, about 5-6 frames I think is the typical delay so if you don't want to go through this process, you can just go with that to hopefully get you close enough.
EVERYTHING IS REAL TIME NO WORRIES
I am looking for a straight, basic low latency scaling HDMI switcher for IMAG purposes like the Extron IN1604 (1-2 frames latency), but this one is very expensive. Do you know what the latency is of these two devices?
thank a lot but u forget Funtion FX on L1
Thank a lot .i will deciding HDMI SWITCHER
I just don't know. I always seemed to like BD, but even the Pro can't do split output. This is really a big con. As for the ATEM allowing to adjust sound from multiple camera - during the interviews, you most probably are going to use some wireless mics, so your sound will not come from the camera anyway. All those ATEM buttons are not so much useful then. Wondering if Feelword, Cerevo LiweWedge or something from Roland is not the better option.
Good video! I think you may have interest in having a review RGBlink mini+ vs ATEM Mini Pro.
That looks like the exact same device with slightly different buttons on top!
@@aaronpk Let's talk about BYD S6 and LEXUS RX350, RGBlink is LEXUS. Would you like to experience with RGBlink drive?
@@rgblinkben6546 are those cars? do I look like someone who knows anything about cars?
@@aaronpk big difference in software~
@@aaronpk Just an example, both L1 and mini are RGBlink inside. If you have time, welcome to give the comments to similar open box, th-cam.com/video/-QiZQpgwGcw/w-d-xo.html.
I'm researching an alternative to ATEM Mini switchers. I owned two and both switchers had bad HDMI outputs after using them a very short time. One went bad after the second day out of the box. I have a vendor that has same issue. My video engineer told me ATEM Minis are prone to bad HDMI outputs. Hence I will no longer purchase Black Magic switchers. Can you tell me if the Feelworld Livepro L1 is sturdy and have you had any connectors go bad?
I haven't put the Feelworld though nearly as many hours as I have the ATEM Minis. But I haven't had any HDMI connectors go bad on either one honestly.
@@aaronpk I returned my ATEM Mini and decided to order an Elvid switcher - it's coming in a few days and I'll be trying it out next week on a live event. I read the reviews on all alternatives to ATEM and decided to give Elvid a try. I almost pulled the trigger on the AV Matrix SDI/HDMI 6 input switcher; however, after reading about complaints of the excessive heat emission I went on to something else - it's too bad about the AV Matrix not working out for me, for it has everything I want in a switcher.
Interesting, I've never heard of Elvid before. Looking at their 4-input switcher on the website it appears to be identical to the AVMatrix HVS0403U both physically and the software. I'm guessing they licensed it from AVMatrix, so I'm curious to hear how it will work out for you!
@@aaronpk What I really wanted was the AVMATRIX VS0601U, but read it gets very hot. One fellow posted a video that it bubbled an acrylic sheet that you place under your rolling chair! If the Elvid does not work out for me, I'll order the AVMATRIX VS0601U and put a laptop fan under it. I really need the mixture of SDI/HDMI ins and outs for my events. I will report back late next week on how the Elvid worked out for me. Thanks for posting this forum. I learn a lot from people like you and it helps me make purchasing decisions.
Bought the Roland V-02HD based on your review. While I like the 4 multi-camera input/view of LiveproL1 and the ability to plug into the USB on my laptop for livestreaming without a dongle, I hate the fact I can't record separate video on another source like a video monitor/recorder. Recording on the computer just takes up more RAM and storage. I have yet to hear anything about Chroma Key (I use that for graphics in my Roland) or a screw assembly to attach L1 to my tripod. While the Roland has only two inputs I bypass this problem with an A/V switcher from Walmart to add 4 sources. Since I still need separate audio via a mixer, I guess my next purchase will be the YOLO in a year or so when the price is goes down. Thanks again for your reviews and tips!
Does the L1 have upstream and downstream keying options like the ATEM?
It has a picture in picture effect, but it doesn't work the same way as the ATEM
@@aaronpk And does it have the media pool and chroma options? The L1 that is. I just got the ATEM mini two weeks ago and now I see this device. I`m really wondering if i should return my Mini and switch to this. I use external mixer for the audio and i dont really care about the ATEM mini audio features. If the only advantage for the L1 over the mini is the multiview though and you lose the media pool stuff and the chroma key i would not switch to L1. Boy... am I in a pickle..... :D
Main Big difference between the L1 and the ATEM MINI aside from the Multiview and the Audio Processing is the System or Software Side of things....
In this category and price point nothing can beat the ATEM MINI.... Yes you can't do much on the Hardware vs Hardware side of things if you compare it with L1... but Man! with the software of the whole ATEM, there's a lot more flexibility there, you can do tons of things, setting keyers, Compression, EQ, Stills, DSK, network control, etc.
IMO you need to ask yourself what you need the most or what's important to you... Multiview or the Flexibility of ATEM Mini. Other than that you have your answer.
Super helpful
Great helpful video, we are live streaming with obs and when I plug more than 2 camera obs shows message overloaded encoder. I am use l1 with my obs Will it help?
SET OBS TO X264
Tanks bos
thanks you so much
Hi ! Very informative video. Can Livepro L1 do chroma key -- green screen? Thank you.
YES
How do I hook up a usb webcam to the live pro?
It doesn't have a usb input for a webcam. The YoloBox does though! Check out my other video! th-cam.com/video/2N-6ziSg9nA/w-d-xo.html
Does the L1 record each input separately?
It doesn't record anything, it is more like the original ATEM Mini that outputs the one program out over HDMI and the webcam feed.
todomo mundo hace comentarios pero nadie muestra como es la configuración para trasmitir
Hi, how can I record the pgm
You'll need to use an external recorder of some kind, there are lots of options, like the Blackmagic Video Assist.
I've just received the Livepro L1 and with the first test found that it gets very hot - too hot to hold. It is running latest firmware and I tested with only 2 HDMI inputs.
Has anyone else had this experience? Wondering if mine is faulty...
Mine gets pretty hot too..
Great info, but having fielded the Mini Pro, I won’t switch!!! lol
so, the L1 removes the HDCP on the video that is output ?
It does, I just double checked!
@@aaronpk that’s very interesting !
Can you choose the output configuration or is it stuck at 60p ?
Hey did you up grade the L1 software to L2 during this?
I saw a comment above that you should not do that as the L2 is a different device.
@@J.Polyakov Well they wrong, the device and default software is V1. V2 is the update to the default software.
@@illuminantproductionsllc8020 Yeah, i saw later on on different video that it actually is the update. They changed the name :D Weird
Surprised no one else is bothered that they used a USB3.0 type "A" connector where it should be a type "B" or "C". Besides being non-standard, this requires an oddball "A to A" cable to connect to your PC. There are quality control problems with the whole ATEM Mini line, but Blackmagic is at least an established company that you can get some support from. This product (now called LIVEPRO L1 V1) needs to hit a lower price point to make it a better value than the ATEM Mini.
You forget to mention that Atem Mini have Downstream and Upstream Key...
I understand why you’ve compared the boxes feature-by-feature but isn’t there a key aspect which you’ve missed; the quality of the encoders and the resultant output? Both audio and video.
The HDMI output on both should be identical, the only difference would be in the webcam conversion. I'm actually planning on doing a separate video comparing the quality of a bunch of USB capture cards, and the ATEM Mini and L1 will be included in that!
When you do that comparison, try the 15$ hdmi to usb converters...they do an amazing job for the money.
@@Strangepaper Yep, I've got a couple of those on hand already! 😄
Finally!!
Can the device stream without a computer?
No, that’s a pro feature not present in L1
No, it's a USB capture device like the original ATEM Mini. Only the ATEM Mini Pro and ISO have the built in streaming encoder
Good comparison. If the livepro is removing hdcp and it's able to capture into a PC then they are probably breaking the law and opening up themselves for litigation
Good video!
So the L1 does not have the option to delay the audio to match up if ur doing video and audio separate
Can you run the atem mini into a splitter for running into multiple computers to be able to livestream to multiple platforms using a single feed from the switcher? Hope that makes sense. Great Vid. Very helpful
I believe so but if they're all running on the same network I think using Restream is a better bet.
Aaron, I'm looking for a simple webcam switcher to use in my Skype music lessons. Would the Feelpro L1 work if connect my USB webcams with USB-to-HDMI adaptors? I use a separate mic, so the L1's skimpy audio features are of no concern. Thanks for your advice!
There isn't really a good solution for webcam-to-HDMI, so that probably won't work. You'll want to upgrade to some HDMI cameras sooner than later if you want to do multiple angles.
@@aaronpk Thanks. I have a Canon DSLR with mini HDMI out, and an old Lumix with what I believe is micro HDMI out. With adaptor cables, that should work with either the LivePro 1, or the ATEM mini, right? Do you recommend any other low cost cameras that would work in this scenario? Really appreciate your guidance, I'm a musician just trying to up my Skype tutoring game!
The thing you want to look out for is whether the cameras have "clean HDMI out". I suspect the Canon camera will probably overlay all the camera information on the HDMI out. The Lumix might work but it depends on which model. The cheapest camera I've found that will get you excellent quality is the Lumix G7 (geni.us/sJFt) which is $500 including a lens. GoPros are a similar price but the quality isn't nearly as good for this so I'd stay away from those even if it saves you $50 or $100.
Also the Atem is an Australian company, the other is Chinese.
Your channel is great! Keep growing! Feelworld is not an option for me, just because the design looks old and unprofessional.