Garth the Green Man (Origins of the Green Men)

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  • My definitive video concerning the Green men, Garth, the Isle of Faces, and the Weirwoods! It's going to get more than a little bit horny, fair warning :)
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  • @janpiorko3809
    @janpiorko3809 3 ปีที่แล้ว +208

    This comment is a sacrifice to the algorithm gods.

    • @iamjohnrobot
      @iamjohnrobot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lucky computers perform tasks arbitrarily, so robots can't 'care' about repetitive mundane work like comment supering to the gods/machine base beep boop

    • @Hurmeri
      @Hurmeri 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      whad a beep, whaf a boop bada... hell, you get the point

    • @SvensktTroll
      @SvensktTroll 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Better do the same 😜

    • @zachbarker497
      @zachbarker497 ปีที่แล้ว

      Praise be

  • @Otterloin
    @Otterloin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    After watching your content I'm beginning to believe that knowing European history and folk lore should come with a spoiler warning for Martin's work

    • @ladyfibonaccii
      @ladyfibonaccii ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Lannister and Stark fued is based off The Wars of the Roses that took place between 1455-1487. The Lancasters(Lannister) against The Yorks(Stark). The Yorks won. Funnily enough the Yorks have Scandinavian and Germanic blood ties... they have the blood of the First Men.
      Those two Tribes (Scandinavian/Germanic) were described as barbaric to anyone and everyone who encountered them. Kind of like the Free Folk or the First Men 😉

  • @egorshkotin1792
    @egorshkotin1792 3 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    It’s a pity so less quantity of viewers. It is hardly to find THIS level of depth of investigation upon the masterpiece of literature, that has been doing by LML. Have been signed up to the channel for couple of years, yet used to accept this detailed hard work as givenness. Hope one day this amount of research and work to present it the right way shall be valued by the community. Thank you for your contribution, LML. Warm hello from your fan from Russia!

    • @tracymetherell8744
      @tracymetherell8744 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It is two years since the above comment was written. LML now has over 90 THOUSAND followers! Egor’s comment was prophetic. I have been a long time subscriber as well and it has been wonderful to see this content reach more and more people. I am delighted for the success of this content because it is so well deserved but I am not a bit surprised. No one else even comes close to providing this level of analysis, especially of symbolism.

  • @maryamalwali765
    @maryamalwali765 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Sir Gareth is a Knight of the Round Table in Arthurian legend. He was the youngest son of King Lot and Morgause, King Arthur's half-sister, thus making him Arthur's nephew, as well as brother to Gawain, Agravain, and Gaheris, and either a brother or half-brother of Mordred. He is particularly notable in Le Morte d'Arthur where he is also known by his nickname "Beaumains" in French "beau" means beautiful and "mains" means hands

    • @TheWuschi
      @TheWuschi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ooooh - and don't forget the 6th (!) season of Supernatural (!), where the hunter (!) Garth (!!) Fitzgerald IV salts and burns the corpse of Jenny (!!) Greentree (!!!), because she is (wrongly) accused of being a murderish (!!!!) ghost(!!!!!!)... Mythology, mythology everywhere!

    • @WilliamFarge
      @WilliamFarge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Be careful with a possible misconception (and a wrong traduction) of Beaumains - in french, the word "main" is feminine, so the term to use is "belle" ("belles" in plural), and not "beau" ("beaux" in plural).

    • @paulchavez3039
      @paulchavez3039 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The trees are the hands of "god" reaching into the universe to sift the souls of eternity

  • @simonkarlsson2393
    @simonkarlsson2393 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    If each house had a green man then that assignment has been taken over by the grey maesters in the main story, green turning grey, green boys and greybeards. Martin just keep adding to the themes! Thanks for the video (green)man

    • @TGBGameplay
      @TGBGameplay 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They grey must represent death and winter as well. The office of Maester will probably be replaced with something else more accessible.

    • @espalier
      @espalier 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      somewhere in there the order of pyromancers was once more important too. the green gets burned out, then is ashen grey.

  • @theinvisiblewoman6783
    @theinvisiblewoman6783 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I understood Garth to be a fertility god and because his descendants are majority of the Reach it echos in them with abundant fertility and food growth. If the Starks are wargs connected to the weirwoods and the north with the Odin energy Lightbringer has done an amazing job of pointing out. I figured the Reach is more Celtic mythology. Garth reminds me of the Dagda from Celtic mythology. The Iron Islands is very deep ones and Chathulu.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I think that’s right, yeah

    • @MrWaterlionmonkey
      @MrWaterlionmonkey 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The iron islands religion is very much like the worship of Ran and Agir in norse myth. They are a married couple of sea gods and if you die at sea Ran fishes your corpse with her net and brings you to her undersea halls.

  • @bronhaller
    @bronhaller 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    There is evidence that other trees were also sacred (Kings Landing Godswood has an oak for a heart tree; tree faces carved by the Free Folk when they came south of the Wall) and Bran was told that the weirwoods were essentially training wheels to help him practice his greensight, I think that yes, other trees could be and were used, but the weirwoods were the most powerful as they used blood magic as well as green magic, while the other trees had just the green magic

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I suspect something like this to be true as well bronhaller!

  • @snazzy_guns1757
    @snazzy_guns1757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Pray to Garth the algorithm is kind to this one

    • @made-line7627
      @made-line7627 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🙏 🌼 🐐

    • @burtan2000
      @burtan2000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pray and upvote?

    • @burtan2000
      @burtan2000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Do comments help, I wonder? They should right?

    • @Living_Liquid_Light
      @Living_Liquid_Light 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ☄️🌝☄️👁🙏👁☄️🌚☄️

    • @Living_Liquid_Light
      @Living_Liquid_Light 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      👌👁👁💨💨

  • @jaxsonwilliams1458
    @jaxsonwilliams1458 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Has Martin ever emailed you and been like, "Stop it."

  • @devinschaftari3169
    @devinschaftari3169 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ahh my favorite theory. See-guard. Will tells us about a green man being skin changed in the AGOT prologue. Something about being caught red handed skinning a buck in the Mallister wood. Mayhaps this is why the garth lore takes a dark turn, or has two different tellings. You have skin changer language (the hand specifically red hand and skinning), as well as horn and tree language with the buck and the wood.

  • @TGBGameplay
    @TGBGameplay 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    These Robert and Old Nan cameos are great

  • @Nicola_Blackwood
    @Nicola_Blackwood 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This is a welcome distraction as I am very anxious today ❤️

  • @anzac90vap
    @anzac90vap 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That Old Nan/King Rob interplay was incredible.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i was worried I carried it on too long so thanks :)

  • @paulchavez3039
    @paulchavez3039 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The weir wood trees catch souls in the flow of time thus collecting the souls of all beings and their history within their godwood. Woah.

  • @tool9386
    @tool9386 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    There's a lot of horniess in this comment section.

  • @careybrooks3072
    @careybrooks3072 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Maybe Bloodraven is an example of a greenseer/green man entity merging with the tree. Perhaps all weir wood trees are sacrificed green men in a hive mind.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Smart, very smart. Just what I am thinking. You’ll like the next Green Man video :)

    • @careybrooks3072
      @careybrooks3072 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidLightbringer Your thesis is aptly downloaded and fragments are linking together like fishies in a garth.

  • @BladesOfCrafting
    @BladesOfCrafting 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Holy shit LML, this is one of the highest quality videos you’ve done yet. Please keep up the amazing content!

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thanks for saying so, I put a lot into this one :)

    • @iamjohnrobot
      @iamjohnrobot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidLightbringer I was gonna mention this as well, along with me somehow just realizing that's Venus in your lml symbol...
      The search key listing, highlighting, revisiting format in tight time really hit me as high quality while watching. The winnowing of ideas from text into evidence for your theory framework felt very effective. After years of listening, my green man/primordial mystical ecosystem, i.e. garthosystem??, understanding effortlessly increased by watching this one. Great sprinkle of tangents, segways and custom TH-cam beggary.

    • @iamjohnrobot
      @iamjohnrobot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh just remembered you explained it some time, and I can't recall what it is at all.

  • @vinnylima8365
    @vinnylima8365 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dude holy smokes you really blew me away with that garth/weir meaning, I listen to these while I work and I literally froze up with my mouth open when you explained what a fishing garth was 🤯🤯🤯

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That was my initial reaction too homie, it’s nuts

  • @Young.Supernovas
    @Young.Supernovas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think I buy the idea that the green men are human shamans or children of the forest that wear antlers moreso than a seperate race of beings.

  • @jondoealoe
    @jondoealoe ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I know a man who drank so much carrot juice he turned orange, and I decided to drink enough wheat grass juice to turn myself green.
    I also read about a boy who turned green from exposure to too much silver...

  • @TheWuschi
    @TheWuschi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    One of your greatest ASOIAF features, thank you so very much! Please, give us more Old Nan - I love her, I love her, I do! The interaction between her and Robert was a most wonderful comic relief in the rather dark stuff of human sacrifices and horny horned green-ish greenseeing god-men. And: Yes, I agree one hundred percent, we will see those extraordinary gentlemen (and ladies - they must have been procreating in the last umphthousand years somehow!) on the Isle of Faces in WoW, we will!

  • @nadiasouthiere7908
    @nadiasouthiere7908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    LMFAO😂🤣😂🤣😂You made me laugh when you imitated the voice of Old Nan and King Robert, you’re good LML😁Thanks for sharing this video, you’re Awesome!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍👍🇨🇦🙋🏼‍♀️

  • @andycropp7114
    @andycropp7114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    If green men were sacrificed does that mean that they were undead like cold hands. Bran did think cold hands could be a green man asking if he had horns

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I think that’s one possibility, yeah. Have you listened to my green zombies podcasts? I think the original Nights watch were zombies at one point. Perhaps green men also.

    • @andycropp7114
      @andycropp7114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DavidLightbringer I confess that I cannot remember exactly which videos I have seen, although I think that I have watched most of yours now. I remember you referring to the original nights watch possibly being undead and that’s probably where I was extrapolating from with reference to the green men. I am loving these scripted (not live-stream videos) they’re just the right length for my attention span.

  • @emilybarclay8831
    @emilybarclay8831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    I humbly offer this comment unto the algorithm gods

    • @iamjohnrobot
      @iamjohnrobot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      comment supered by basic bot beep boop

  • @monkeyboy4311
    @monkeyboy4311 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I lol'd like 6x's during Robert & Old Nan. Brilliant work, Ser!

  • @declanmiles2985
    @declanmiles2985 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Possible Timeline (feel free to correct)
    Garth and the First Men arrive on Westeros
    War(s) between First Men and Children of the Forest
    Pact formed on Isle of Faces (possibly moderated by Green Men)
    Great Empire colonizes Westeros - Fused stone fortresses built
    Azor Ahai kills Nissa Nissa, shattering the moon and beginning the Long Night
    First Others appear, begin taking over Westeros
    First hero pushes them back, eventually killing Night's King and Night's Queen
    Wall is built

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you watch my timeline heresy videos about the Pact and the Hammer? I’m pretty close to you on most of this but there’s a theory I have about the pact

    • @declanmiles2985
      @declanmiles2985 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DavidLightbringer not yet, I'll definitely catch that one soon!

  • @bleddynwolf8463
    @bleddynwolf8463 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Weirwoods could be like a quaking aspen, a single mega organism that breaches the surface many times. its possible the green men had the power to "call" a part of the of organism to the surface, less planting, more just encouraging it to sprout in a given place

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s awesome. You’re hired to direct the green men prequel spin off show

    • @bleddynwolf8463
      @bleddynwolf8463 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidLightbringer glad you liked my idea

  • @cityslacker6221
    @cityslacker6221 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I read all your essays back when you first wrote them, but damn! am I enjoying hearing your passion in these videos. You rock David!

  • @michaszkot4419
    @michaszkot4419 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What information do we have about Garth:
    - where Garth is garthing, everything blooms
    - he was a king
    - sometimes he demanded blood sacrifices
    Prima Noctae anyone? Demanding blood sacrifices (deflowering) and making everything bloom (self-explanatory).
    Aaaand "deflowering" - flowers are pretty common in heraldry and culture of the Reach.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yep. I think the prima nocta makes sense as a greenseers trying to spread their magical seed thing. I’ve always thought that made sense

  • @isabellamego5321
    @isabellamego5321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If Old Nan says, then it's true. Let's avoid lightning and like the video

  • @garo7839
    @garo7839 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Myth is a hell of a drug.

  • @LeonM4c
    @LeonM4c 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Your videos give me joy, LML. Old Nan reading the promo had me in tears!!!

  • @Fathoms09
    @Fathoms09 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That fishing weir connection is simply brilliant, LmL. Thank you for your continued hard work! Looking forward to your book!

  • @johnydriessen6813
    @johnydriessen6813 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You've compared the Weirwood Network to mushroom or fungus networks, but there's an even more direct comparison in nature you may find interesting. Trees like aspens exist as colony networks, sending runners out beneath the soil and shooting up at points as trees. Colonies of aspen trees are not actual individual specimens, but one giant clonal organism. In fact, the largest (or at least heaviest) known living organism is the aspen colony "Pando" here in Utah. Pando is also possibly one of the longest living organisms in the world. Estimates vary widely, but greater than 10,000 years is common. This wouldn't change your theory in any way, but I thought perhaps you'd like the information! Love your work. A lot of crackpot ASoIaF theories on the wind that I try to avoid, but your takeaways are so strongly ... rooted in the source material. Stellar job top to bottom, Sir.

  • @XenophonAnabasis
    @XenophonAnabasis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Old Nan's threats earned your house another bannerman.

  • @MrGoncalobraz
    @MrGoncalobraz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I always thought the humans gathering on the Isle of Faces to "sign" the Pact had as a direct result their sacrifice to cause the Hammer.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s an interesting idea. I do think the two events are connected

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Because the hammer of the waters talks about blood sacrifice on the isle of faces, but “giving the trees faces” probably also involves blood sacrifice, so now it’s starting to sound like the same event actually

  • @sandeinplayz4566
    @sandeinplayz4566 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    King Robert v Old Nan 😂🤣

  • @andrewbahlman7768
    @andrewbahlman7768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man this intro had me dyin laughing keep it up brother, keepin my workday flowin like the rippledown rill

  • @theletterm5425
    @theletterm5425 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    But Old Nan, you already made me muck out the stables yesterday! Can't Hodor do it today?

  • @kris9971
    @kris9971 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great way to start my day !!!!

  • @ZendikarMage42750
    @ZendikarMage42750 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love how the cameos are getting more elaborate

  • @Shirley.Temper
    @Shirley.Temper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I like to think of the wood dancers from An elemental perspective too - it makes me think of the bravosi water dance Arya learns, an interesting parallel which would be in line with your suggestion that the wood dancers were warriors, but of the earthen kind as opposed to the watery kind. You can even consider the Others to be something of “ice dancers”, who would oppose the “fiery dancers” of dragons and red priests? A lot of dancing and elements going on here but it’s just a thought

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Song and dance are used quite frequently as metaphors, certainly

    • @Shirley.Temper
      @Shirley.Temper 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidLightbringer LML you’re the best! Favourite channel on TH-cam 💪🏽

  • @tawk_studios
    @tawk_studios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Garth Greenhand himself and his symbolism and descriptions make him sound like a tree with a face. Maybe looking like a weirwood only green. Maybe an oaken tree with a carved face. If Garth was the oaken tree, then he could die and be reborn in the form of a carved weirwood. The Garth Oakenwood tree lived its life like the waters of the green river whereas the Weirwood tree lives it's life like a skeleton over the river snatching fish/souls from the green river.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Totally, you’re grasping the overall picture. The weirwood is standing in for the Holly tree as the tree of winter opposite the Oak.

  • @wyattbraun3650
    @wyattbraun3650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for introducing these lesser-known myths through ASOIAF! It is genuinely fascinating stuff!

  • @AshtheGreenMan
    @AshtheGreenMan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Goin back through the catalog, and I just have to say… Praise Garth for David Lightbringer

  • @ergomate9092
    @ergomate9092 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Welp, I'm convinced!
    Here's hoping for more Old Nan and Robert in future as well.

  • @cloverazar5315
    @cloverazar5315 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    5:22 was straight up prophecy

  • @Gabeslogic
    @Gabeslogic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Is the maze in Leng and the Highgarden hedge maze hinting at a connection between Green Men and Old Ones?

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Oh that’s a good call!! I found Martin using “sleeping under hedges” as greenseer talk - Meribald likes to rest his hard as horn feet under old hedges - “ The old ones are the best” 🧐🧐🧐

  • @bonghitsandheavyriffs
    @bonghitsandheavyriffs 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    LML forever having the best promos. "their chrystaline ovipositers" 😭

  • @Henbot
    @Henbot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Enjoyed and excited for The Green Knight Film

  • @andrzejkopalnia
    @andrzejkopalnia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is so damn thrilling. To have all the different layers beneath this brilliant series laid out to us. Thank you so much for sharing your research with us!
    And again, TWOW can't come too soon. And what year other than the 10th anniversary of Dance haha!

  • @Living_Liquid_Light
    @Living_Liquid_Light 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My god 😳 ..
    It’s the video we’ve all been waiting for.
    ...
    😏

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My Magnum Antelopus.
      Sorry, I *reached* for that one. Not so this second 'Garth is from the Reach" joke though!

  • @candra9373
    @candra9373 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I feel like there is a significant amount of Fishers of Men symbiology in all this. Weirwoods and green seas etc.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes! I was just thinking this, especially since the last hero had 12 companions! And Jon is just so Jesusy, Jon and Dany and bran all three

  • @celly8713
    @celly8713 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Really had an “aha” moment with this video l, it really helped uh.. hammer 😬(yikes)the green man and hammer symbolism in my brain, and helped me understand the connection with green men and the summer king. thank you good Ser knight

  • @tracymetherell8744
    @tracymetherell8744 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I started watching this playlist (I rewatch your content) and I just wanted to say how MUCH I enjoyed seeing Old Nan! That was a very clever and entertaining, not to mention hysterical bit I had forgotten. This is the perfect video to start a playlist.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      aww thanks Tracy! These were really fun videos to make

  • @SingingSealRiana
    @SingingSealRiana 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    While I realy did not enjoy quins sidekick, I love his vids for the dreamy audiobook quality, I absolutly adore your interludes with old nan and Robert, although I am deeply disturbed by king Robert too. They are original and very on point and just fit into the adorably silly tone you carrie through extensiv research and symbolism heavy content.

  • @baxterosburn8642
    @baxterosburn8642 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    24 hour staff duty, thanks for coming through in the wee hours of the morning, LmL.

  • @Lu_Skannon
    @Lu_Skannon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    A “Long Night” video game done in the style of Witcher 3 would be fun...

  • @justwannapost69
    @justwannapost69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Editing is really top notch this episode!

  • @wyzasukitan
    @wyzasukitan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yo the voices took me right tf outtttttt 🤣🤣🤣 sheeeesh

  • @Nil.0
    @Nil.0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The green men seem like the nature version of the old and deep ones, they are godlike with a penchant for sacrifice. Perhaps Garth crossed the arm of dorne to conduct a trade. He brings some giants and children of the forest and in return, he gets fresh crops of humans. He then teaches them to grow and prosper, all while banging and sacrificing the shit out of them.

  • @silentsistah9791
    @silentsistah9791 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this Chanel, Nimble Dick, King Robert & Old Nan are hilarious 🤣. Dave too.

  • @jeremyjoseph_
    @jeremyjoseph_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the voice acting and the channel as a whole can't wait for WoW 2021!

  • @rashelleobey7626
    @rashelleobey7626 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Watching this video and the ones associated with it in preparation for the green man video you were talking about!!!

  • @martinkrog5943
    @martinkrog5943 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of my all time favs of your vids, Ser : )

  • @JoeyWhisperz
    @JoeyWhisperz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These are the videos I love the live streams are awesome too

  • @lizardbreathh
    @lizardbreathh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love all the artwork!

  • @brittanyss1136
    @brittanyss1136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have been listening to you for the past week! I love your videos! You’ve revived my love for game of those! And you got a like for that old Nan impression! 😂

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i do love doing Old Nan voice, it’s half Monty Python and half Chef’s mother

    • @brittanyss1136
      @brittanyss1136 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidLightbringer it’s a treat to hear! Hearing you go from Robert to Nan was perfect. Keep doing what you’re doing! All of these theories and back story is what I love to learn.

  • @MrDhinkson1
    @MrDhinkson1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Brilliant stuff

  • @lyannabanna6917
    @lyannabanna6917 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks again for another short, sweet, to-the-point analysis!

  • @GeorgeWinterborn
    @GeorgeWinterborn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve been at my computer working a lot the last couple months, so I’ve been watching a lot of these and other videos. It’s fun to walk through someone else’s potential creative process.
    Anyway, I’m pretty convinced, at least as of the last time I went through any of the book information, that the story is about how humans are torn between technology and nature, modern convenience as made attractive by evolved natural inclinations, and how the natural world evolved its own undoing in the development of human kind’s naturally derived intelligence.
    In the story, the Weirwoods represent baseline nature, with the “children” representing early stages in human technological development, when a homogeneous balance still existed between human intelligence and human’s ability to create within a thriving natural world.
    Humans stopped chopping down Weirwoods when they overcame the fear of natural forces. They instead put human faces on the trees, trying to perceive the natural world as an anthropomorphic extension of their own being, rather than the other way around.
    As humans got greedy, seeing nature as their belonging and corrupting even the children, they began to taint the Weirwoods and Green forces with their self-made technology (unnatural magic), such as blood sacrifice and Weirwoods thrones (for green seer pilots to sit in).
    While I think Weirwoods naturally can consume blood, as life force in the world seems to be part of the creative forces of magic, I don’t think it was supposed to happen through the forceful scenario of sacrifice, but rather natural cycles of life and death.
    Humans corrupted and polluted the Green forces of the Weirwood network with their unnatural magics-blood sacrifice and forceful manipulation of the green sight and warging.
    I think the Long Night came about when the Children followed in the steps of the humans and corrupted the network through mass sacrifice, completely toxifying the Green magics in order to attempt to bring about the end of the humans. I don’t know if they meant to make the Others, or if that was a side effect of the corrupting magics they called upon, but I think they were the result.
    I don’t know if the Others are the collective souls of the humans who have bonded with the Weirwoods, having been rejected from the network (possibly what the Children were trying to do), or if they’re corrupted Greenmen, rejected from the network when men took it over, but I do think they were the result of a blood-polluted Weirdwood network.
    I think part of the conclusion of the Others storyline will be purging the human-made creative magic pollution from the network, which I think is most potently represented by Bloodmagic and the existence of Dragons (which were possibly made possible by the Bloodstone, which I think might represent the industrial revolution changing the world “overnight”).
    In some way, I think the story will illustrate humans coming to understand their place as an extension of nature, rather than nature being an anthropomorphic extension of themselves manifested through gods and legends.
    I actually think this schism in thought is what split the Dawn Empire in the way I believe it split.
    At the end of this story, I think the Weirwood network, Bloodmagic, Greenmagjc, and all other such forces might be entirely purged from the world at the end of the conflict, representing nature accidentally destroying itself by evolving humans with the intelligence to create their own “magics.” Life on Planetos will be saved, but the completely mundane world left behind will be much more harsh and unpredictable, as all the magics that have been making the various areas of the world habitable and prosperous will fail-a kind of global Doom of Valyria.
    There could be a happier ending where humans just stop messing with creative magics altogether, but I doubt it.
    For a little of the reason I think these things:
    - Humans first steps into their own powers of creation were the creation of obsidian weapons-in the story, obsidian is the first substance seen to destroy the others
    - Dragonsteel is the first totally manmade material in the story’s world, and it is the only other material known to destroy Others-I think it is representative of entirely-manmade materials like plastics
    - The humans warred with the scary creatures in harmony with nature, like Children, giants, and greenmen, but anthropomorphized the source of the power that made them scary upon making peace with these natural forces
    - The children and giants were pushed into the back of the visible world (conscious mind) and forgotten, with only some remaining in the God’s Eye (the area in the mind that explains the world through ego extension via familiarized religion and legend)
    There are other things, but this is already too long.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well that was an interesting take for sure, and I think I agree with some of your thematic ideas. And you know I think the wwnet was corrupted, exactly, and purging it is what needs to be done. I hope we find out one day the face carving was a human thing and not the original way cotf used the trees

  • @tobuscusfoop
    @tobuscusfoop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine ASOIAF in an animated show instead of live action. It’d be a lot cheaper than vfx and they could show so much more stuff

  • @MrOuruboros
    @MrOuruboros 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dude, I am amazed. Your videos and theories are always so interesting and well thought out, plus it has entertainment value! (you're pretty funny sometimes) So keep them coming please!

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      “Funny sometimes” is the exact amount of funny I was going for, perfect

    • @MrOuruboros
      @MrOuruboros 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidLightbringer haha, there you go again. although you are probably simultaniously being honest. On another note; do you collect wigs and theatre props? Did you have all those before you made videos? just curious...

  • @natasha-em1qo
    @natasha-em1qo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Intro 🎶 gets me so pumped 🎶

  • @jito7377
    @jito7377 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Robert and Old Nan. Very good.

  • @brandonlambert9768
    @brandonlambert9768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm subscribed, but I didn't get notified when this video was uploaded

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Make sure at notifications are set to all under the notification bell...

  • @samanthaberg9356
    @samanthaberg9356 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Writer M.R. James has a ghost story from 1904 called "The Ash-tree" that I'm 100% sure Martin knows about, I highly recommend checking it out because it is CRAZY how your theories align with what happens in the story with a malevolent ash tree, a witch done wrong, an under tree cave, a gardener setting a fire, and erupting venomous spiders.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OH SHIT what now? I'll look into it!

    • @samanthaberg9356
      @samanthaberg9356 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidLightbringer In 1975 it was made into a 32 minute episode of the UK series "Ghost Stories for Christmas" and remade (poorly) in 1986.

  • @A1B2C3D4E5F-c
    @A1B2C3D4E5F-c 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I loves when in the other video you read the Part about Leng which pushed to go and read the kdath story.

  • @saminator3563
    @saminator3563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Quality banter as usual sir

  • @mattmcmillan5102
    @mattmcmillan5102 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey man love the content as always. I stumbled upon something that supports your moon meteors theory in dance of dragons today. Ive never heard you mention this quote (that I can remember) but the exact text is
    "Benerro jabbed a finger at the moon, made a fist, spread his hands wide. When his voice rose in a crescendo, flames leapt from his fingers with a sudden whoosh and made the crowd gasp. The priest could trace fiery letters in the air as well. Valyrian glyphs. Tyrion recognized perhaps two in ten; one was Doom, the other Darkness."
    If you hadn't noticed that before I just wanted to point it out to you

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      haha yeah it's like my theory spelled out in a game of charades, isn't it? I've only mentioned it in very old podcast episodes, so you might not have heard me talk about it. i should find an excuse to bring it up again! It's f*cking startling quite frankly, how on the nose it is

  • @mangeybum1443
    @mangeybum1443 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wonderful story telling. Thanks for laying it all out like this.

  • @hopedixon2133
    @hopedixon2133 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love that a weir is also a garth; I totally thought he named that tree for Peter Weir of the Grateful Dead lol. Maybe it's both!
    On to weirwoods...I'm trying to decide what I think they are. Are they a tree or are they something more like a mushroom, that fruits along a mycelium network? The weirwood is so mysterious. Nobody besides Garth seems to be able to plant them. I entertained the idea that they were an oak tree that had received a blood sacrifice...that would align with Garth, and the interesting fact that somewhere in ADwD, Jon notices that someone has carved faces into regular trees by Castle Black, one of which at least I believe to be an oak if memory serves. It certainly would be crazy if we saw these as weirwoods in TWoW. However...I remember in Bran's journey, he sees a slender weirwood rising from the abandoned Night Fort, free of a face or any plant life. It struck me that perhaps it is not a tree but a fungus... something not unknown to be employed by George (in his novelette, Men of Greywater Station, a hive minded, telepathic fungus called The Fungus (lol) takes over the vising mens' minds...sound familiar?). Bloodraven literally has mushrooms growing on his face, giving us a giant clue. Fungi feed off the living and slowly decay their victims, just as the weirwood, and other hive minded groups like when Daenerys is sucked on by the warlocks in the House of the Undying. It would also certainly be like George to trick and subvert our certainty that the weirwood is a tree simply because he calls it a tree. And eating its paste and receiving crazy visions sounds like tripping balls on psilocybin...more mushroom links. It certainly would be fun if true. Feel free to steal this theory if you like it! Not sure if it's true but it's possible!

  • @WhiteSargent
    @WhiteSargent 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Hammer of the Algorithm!! 🔨

  • @PlatipuseKing
    @PlatipuseKing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gotta love some mystical deep wood druids. I do hope theyre more than ordinary hippy dudes

  • @aber416373
    @aber416373 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hello, "the wierwoods are the puppetmaster" here. Great video!!! Could the wood dancers be those "wed to the trees", the ones whom the wierwoods warg into. Howland Reed (The Knight of the Laughing Tree) and King Bran could be wood dancers. Perhaps the wierwoods wanted the faces carved into their trunks. What better way to gather information from your enemy, the humans, by having them confess their sins directly to the puppetmaster.

  • @stevemcgee99
    @stevemcgee99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kermie's song at the start hooked me big time

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would have used a sample of the actual song but it got copyright striked so I had to reupload without!

    • @stevemcgee99
      @stevemcgee99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DavidLightbringer You're obviously not a part of the Rainbow Connection.

  • @Living_Liquid_Light
    @Living_Liquid_Light 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I seriously never get tired of that intro.. 👌😎🎶

  • @troubledwaters7441
    @troubledwaters7441 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Old Nan is great lol I don't know why I love her but I do.

  • @Falangist
    @Falangist หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So based on the season finale of season 2 of House of the Dragon, the Green Men also have hooves. So they're more of a Pan-like creature.

  • @jondoealoe
    @jondoealoe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The font you used on the first picture makes it obvious how Earth could be related to Garth.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  ปีที่แล้ว

      GRRM's Earth = Grrth = Garth 👌

    • @jondoealoe
      @jondoealoe ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidLightbringer That's what she meant by girth!

  • @nickhunt6154
    @nickhunt6154 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video dude, really unique idea and you totally sold me on the theory

  • @uruk-
    @uruk- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love this video !
    About the Wood dancers, makes me think of the classic Wharhammer game, in it, there is the Wood Elves faction (very reminicent of the CHildren of the forest) and they have the War dancers, a cast of skilled warriors

    • @KellyRobinson23
      @KellyRobinson23 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wonder if he was one of the emperors for the great Dawn, emerald eyes

  • @amandaofhouserobinson6707
    @amandaofhouserobinson6707 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another great analysis!! Also, I heard you on Grays channel, amazing!!!

  • @bloodandempire
    @bloodandempire 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Omfg I died during the old Nan part 😂😂😂😂😂😂 that was so funny

  • @morganSnow421
    @morganSnow421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Men I love these videos. I get excited every time I see one

  • @lancebarnard8436
    @lancebarnard8436 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In your excellent Astronomy, I've also noticed the pale shadow of Alchemy lurking in the unseen background (though you repeatedly refer to the Alchemical wedding, which seems to be both the great problem and solution to the Song). The great sacrifice for the long night was made with many base metals: copper, bronze, flesh, and bone. But what was needed more than all was the Philosopher's stone: Nissa Nissa, who was pure, relatable to Mother Mary or such symbolic figures. At once, George has made both the Birth of Christ and the Fall of Lucifer, and with it, shown how man, through his horny Alchemy, corrupts the natural order of the world, plunging it into eternal duality.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes I’ve only dabbled in Alchemy comparisons, and there are more to be made. I’m just very shallow in my alchemy knowledge and haven’t taken the time to bark up that tree enough to write an essay about it. But yes, Martin is writing about every kind of transformation imaginable, so alchemy is a natural fit.

    • @lancebarnard8436
      @lancebarnard8436 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DavidLightbringer
      I hope you do! Also, quite aside, look up the sculpture "The Ecstacy of Saint Teresa," by Bernini. It depicts Teresa about to be trusted with a spear, crying out in anguish and ecstasy. I'm sure it is Nissa Nissa's source, as it is meant to depict godhood piercing the heart of a mortal. And to top it off, what Teresa's contemporaries said about her is remarkably similar to what the slave masters say about Dany.

  • @mumsie8578
    @mumsie8578 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wait ... Doesnt cold hands ride an elk? Maybe he's a frozen Green man

  • @wowhamba
    @wowhamba 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this! Awesome video.

  • @chellybub
    @chellybub 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm loving this series, keep up the good work! Excited for the next one 😁 💜

  • @Djynni
    @Djynni 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another well made video - thank you!