The Holy Isle of Leng (Origins of the Green Men)

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  • @spartan1337la
    @spartan1337la 3 ปีที่แล้ว +392

    this comment..is but a humble sacrifice to the algorithm gods.

  • @mdawni6933
    @mdawni6933 2 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    The idea of Robert and Ned playing hide and seek in the crypts of winterfell is so pleasing

  • @magister343
    @magister343 2 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    Large eyes are NOT generally associated with animals that are nocturnal or cave dwelling. Large eyes are associated with animals that are Crepuscular, i.e., active not in the day or the darkest part of the night bur rather at Dawn and/or Dusk.
    A lot of animals commonly thought of as nocturnal, such as owls or racoons, are actually crepuscular rather than nocturnal. Large eyes help one see better in twilight, but not in true darkness.
    Truly nocturnal animals, and animals that spend all their lives deep in caves, tend to have very small vestigial eyes and may be almost or entirely blind as there is no benefit in investing the resources to maintain powerful eyes if they won't be exposed to enough light to use them well.

    • @Scribe333
      @Scribe333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      true

    • @LennyDeee
      @LennyDeee ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You're confusing cave dwelling with subterranean cave dwelling brother

    • @pyropulseIXXI
      @pyropulseIXXI ปีที่แล้ว

      This comment is nit picking; no crap large eyes don't work in 'true darkness,' because in true darkness, there is no light to detect, so no eyes would work. This is why some of these 'true darkness' animals essentially go blind.
      Also, I've seen plenty of racoons active at 2am; this occurs most often during full moons and around that period; even a crescent moon can provide lots of light. Even with my 'inferior' human eyes, I can see insanely well during such periods, and I prefer going out at this hour to observe, when no human-made lights are messing it up

    • @Michael-bn1oi
      @Michael-bn1oi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@LennyDeee No, they arent.

    • @juwebles4352
      @juwebles4352 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It sound like they ARE generally associated with nocturnal animals, but that association is erroneous

  • @isabellamego5321
    @isabellamego5321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +477

    "Ned, my bestfriend, who thought my muscles were like a maiden's fantasy, and like a true bro thought about my deep blue lake like eyes and very manly described me as a horned god" Baratheon, Robert

    • @emilybarclay8831
      @emilybarclay8831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +109

      Bromance, take or leave the B

    • @dorellanarange3614
      @dorellanarange3614 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Duro contra el muro y sin pena sobre la arena. Muy bro todo.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      Lol, you’re seeing what I’m seeing

    • @isabellamego5321
      @isabellamego5321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@DavidLightbringer It's in the text!!!! And it's my new headcanon

    • @saikeenra
      @saikeenra 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      "I think Ned Stark loved Robert better than he ever loved his brother or his father… or even you, my lady. He was never unfaithful to Robert, was he?” - Jaime, ACoK

  • @NotYurAverageJoe
    @NotYurAverageJoe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    “Weirdest video” you say?
    Hold on... *grabs bong*
    okay, fuck me up LML

    • @natesmith2408
      @natesmith2408 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I'm here for it. 1 spliff on in lol

    • @stannisbaratheon6661
      @stannisbaratheon6661 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I was just doing the same thing.

    • @andrzejkopalnia
      @andrzejkopalnia 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂👍

    • @crypticscrutiny1153
      @crypticscrutiny1153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got the carts guys. Much better for my lifestyle. Which is the "I don't need all these herbs on me right now" lifestyle.

    • @beyond12021
      @beyond12021 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      XD

  • @Drew_Thompson
    @Drew_Thompson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    9:30 It should be noted that only small cats have elliptical pupils, large cats are almost exclusively predatory and all possess circular pupils.

  • @ZendikarMage42750
    @ZendikarMage42750 3 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Man, the whole King Robert of the Infinite Libido bit was amazing.

  • @lexj.2162
    @lexj.2162 3 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    Thank goodness there are some ASOIAF youtubers who continue with coverage on the magical and strange aspects to the series.

  • @바보Queen
    @바보Queen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    ppl talk about GoT being realistic but i like how the further u get the more straight up high fantasy it really is

  • @cbob213
    @cbob213 3 ปีที่แล้ว +184

    These underground cities all over the map have always made me think The Long Night that "lasted a generation" pushed a whole lot of people underground to survive.
    A world ending comet impact that filled the sky with soot and ash. Followed by ice monsters crawling across the land and killing, then enslaving everyone and everything, sounds like a pretty good reason for the remaining population to dig tunnels deep underground to survive..
    Even using existing caves and carving steps everywhere. These people were there for a LONG time.
    It all matches up pretty neatly when you piece it together and take a step back.
    Love these typed of videos Mr Lightbringer.
    Keep up the fantastic job and as always (MORE BASSSSS) keep on rocking on.... 🤘🤙✌🖖👌

    • @snazzy_guns1757
      @snazzy_guns1757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Right? That meshes really well with the theory that many of the caves in Westeros were originally carved by weirwood roots. Many weirwoods may have died because of that event, or shortly thereafter, so the people fled and made homes in a place created by weirwoods? Idk I worshipped Garth before watching this video

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Haha nope those are both good ideas. Totally agree the Long Night creates the need for bunkers, and look, the children know how to live underground off of mushrooms and fish.

    • @Tayl0r_
      @Tayl0r_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@DavidLightbringer If Fallout games have taught me anything, it’s that caves and bunkers/makeshift underground facilities can either save your ass, or make you a sitting duck. I like this theory/idea a lot. Could potentially be an alternative explaination as to why or how some of these species pretty much disappeared.
      It’s been a while since I re-read the first 5 GOT books or watched the show for context clues though, so...idk😅

    • @JoshSweetvale
      @JoshSweetvale 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      All ASOAIF magic seems to be more than just "I cast magic spell" - It's always connected to big-picture stuff.
      Asshai and Valyria are radiation zones, but magic.
      Weirwoods are internet, but magic.
      The Blackstone and Fishmen are 'ruins of sykscrapers' deep time. But magic!
      The first Long Night was _definitely_ an extinction event, "but magic."

    • @Slechy_Lesh
      @Slechy_Lesh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I dunno, Valyria's fallout is more than just radiation. What about the firewyrms and dragon miscarriages etc. Besides, radiation doesn't mutate flesh, it just degrades.

  • @jagnachrulska7933
    @jagnachrulska7933 3 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    I absolutely adore the self awareness of LML saying "you probably clicked onto my weirdest wideo" in a glorious party city wig.
    Love your work man, I clicked as fast as I possible, can't wait to dive into Leng rabbit hole.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Damn there are rabbits down there too? I think the Old Ones ate all the rabbits

    • @jagnachrulska7933
      @jagnachrulska7933 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@DavidLightbringer Yes, in fact Lorath is actually Wonderland

    • @Airehcaz
      @Airehcaz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@DavidLightbringer idk man rabbits that live in the deep Lengii rabbit holes don’t go down easy. Takes a holy hand grenade to kill ‘em

  • @taylorgayhart9497
    @taylorgayhart9497 3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    The fact that the punishment for going down into the caves is torture in death to mean implies there is more to the story of those soldiers returning, it sounds like they fear what’s down there so I wonder what stories they told.

  • @vurtigoneiii275
    @vurtigoneiii275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Was that "down in the crypts with my platonic friend" or "with my plutonic friend"? Because either works.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Oh man that’s rich, well played. It was platonic of course

    • @vurtigoneiii275
      @vurtigoneiii275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@DavidLightbringer you need to step up your pun game, bro. It's the only way to humour the gods of the great algorithm.

  • @stannisbaratheon6661
    @stannisbaratheon6661 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    That Illyrio nod is definitely something.
    Yeah, I always noticed that Varys and Illyrio basically enslave "children" and cut their tongues out to keep them from telling their secrets.
    In this obvious comparison, I wonder what the two men are meant to represent, in relation to the children of the forest?

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Varys has that greenseer / icy greenseer spider symbolism, and yes exactly gets his secrets from birds and children. He’s probably a great other analog

    • @Lesistius
      @Lesistius 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      If he cuts their tongues, how do they relay information tot Varys ?

    • @brentonconner9654
      @brentonconner9654 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just thought too, the old ones form of mind control could be just skinchanging into humans

    • @Slechy_Lesh
      @Slechy_Lesh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Notes, like the note one boy passed to Mysaria the white worm in episode 4 of hotd

    • @SimYn_
      @SimYn_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Lesistius Think Larys Strong and his Fireflys in HotD.
      Doomed people (children) robbed of choice given an option to remain as nothing - or rise to become someone, given missions, a network, benefits never before seen or known.
      The price to rise is their tongue, but when you've never had a voice in this world, perhaps that's not such a high price to pay?

  • @tawk_studios
    @tawk_studios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    The First Quote makes me think of the House of Black and White, the Cave of the Three-Eyed Crow and the Winterfell Crypts. The black water, white fish and underground rivers seen in these places also can be seen in the black waters of the Ash River through the Shadow Lands, and in the cave beneath the Rainwood visited by Arianne in WoW. One commonality among these locations is that they seem to have been the locations Children of the Forest, at least in Westeros. It is less clear whether the Children ever lived in the Shadow Lands or east of the Bones for that matter. However, it does appear that locations abandoned by the Children of the Forest turn into strange ghostly ruins similar to Stygai and Vaes Leisi.
    Another deep cave that gathered worshipers doesn't match the pattern though. The endlessly deep mines of Valyria that also reach to the center of the earth.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      But I’ve always wondered if skinchanger magic played a part in creating the dragon bond. Don’t you?

    • @tawk_studios
      @tawk_studios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@DavidLightbringer I certainly do. The Valyrians seems to track along the southern path I discussed in my other comment along which you find heavily forested areas and interbreading with animals like the children. The God Emperor chose to forget after sealing the temples, but I bet the God Empress remembers just like the Valyrians, Children and First Men.

  • @brandonlambert9768
    @brandonlambert9768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    GRRM has created such a complex world that the story possibilities seem endless.

  • @spaztron5000
    @spaztron5000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    A fun fyi: Carcosa as a city was originally created by Ambrose Bierce. Then Robert W. Chambers borrowed the name for some of his stories. And the HP Lovecraft, who was a fan of Chamber's work, turned around and borrowed the name from him. And then GRRM, inspired by Lovecraft used it! :D

    • @A_Black_Sheep94
      @A_Black_Sheep94 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'll try to remember that name for my book, goodness knows when I'll actually be able to use a real city though

    • @Thegreatblazingsun
      @Thegreatblazingsun 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I always think of true detective

  • @alecolson8360
    @alecolson8360 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Ned + Robert is the ghost ship I didn't know I needed

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Welcome to the party my friend

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Why, just why . . . . It is just way more amuseing than it should be

    • @jenglanuza8700
      @jenglanuza8700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      a literal ghost ship even!

    • @namedrop721
      @namedrop721 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Cersei jokes a lot about their marriage…she ships it too

  • @tawk_studios
    @tawk_studios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    The Second and Third combined are curious.
    The God Emperor sent countless warriors into the underground cities beneath Leng before sealing the underground cities' ruins and forgetting.
    The God Empress had congress with the Old Ones living below the ruined subterranean cities and they told her at least four times to put all strangers on Leng to death.
    The World of Ice and Fire shows that the Valyrian Dragons were named after the Old Gods, and the Children of the Forest also worship the Old Gods of the earth.
    The House of Black and White, the Faceless Men and, in a more concealed manner, the Faith of the Seven all worship the Stranger, the God of Death or the Many-Faced God. The Opal Emperor had a daughter, Amethyst Empress, and a younger son, Bloodstone Emperor. The Bloodstone Emperor murdered his sister, the Amethyst Empress, became the last ruler of the Great Empire of the Dawn, took a tiger-woman as wife, feasted on human flesh, cast down the Gods of Yi Ti, and began worshipping a black stone fallen from the sky.
    Not only is the Bloodstone Emperor doing all of the things Bran is told a skin-changer should never do, but he also seems to be the one who initiated the worship of black stones, which seems to have been in conflict with the Gods of Yi Ti that the Bloodstone Emperor had to cast down to begin his worship of the black stone. The line of Death worship tracks along a straight line from Yi Ti, Lion of Night, to Qohor, The Black Goat, to Braavos, Many-Faced God, to Andalos, Faith of the Seven's Stranger. Whatever gods were worshipped in the forests of Yi Ti, the God Emperor of Yi Ti was clothed in green and gold which are the colors of life and fertility.
    In the excerpt, the God Emperor, of Yi Ti perhaps, is at odds with the God Empress of Leng. The God Empress seems to be aligned with the Old Ones, and is ordered to put strangers to death. The Lengii look like giant Children of the Forest, and Children of the Forest look like cats because of their eyes. It seems like they may spend most of their lives in the shadows of the forest and underground and seem to have been most active at night when the moon is out (surely for singing purposes). Yellow eyes and dappled skin sounds like a tiger as well, perhaps the place where the Bloodstone Emperor found his hot tiger-wife. You can similarly track the forests of the children-like Lengii from Leng, north to Yi Ti, Ifekevron, Qohor, to Wolfswood or south to Sothoryos, the Summer Isles to Rainwood. These two lines track all of the interbreeding to the south and oddly close to the Death Worship line we discussed to the north.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I like it. And of course Tiger Woman may have been a Lengii god empress or an Old One human hybrid, if the actual Old Ones have slitted eyes like the children. Pretty cool marginal world-building huh?

    • @tawk_studios
      @tawk_studios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@DavidLightbringer Agreed. Instead of horned goat people living in underground temples above the old ones, as they do in Lovecraft, George chose dapple-skinned creatures with giant eyes to live in the underground cities above the old ones.

    • @borisdorofeev5602
      @borisdorofeev5602 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I like the Tiger-Woman theory, it makes so much sense.

  • @jonhauge-evaldsson783
    @jonhauge-evaldsson783 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    The Ghiscari in Slavers Bay make their hair into horns among other things. This could be a tradition from the Old Ghiscari Empire. If so it could be a memory of some sacred horned people they met. If they travelled from Leng to Westeros they must have passed by right?

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      They must have. I should look at those scenes for symbolism at least. But yeah it’s more testament to the universality of the horned human image at least.

  • @jenniferarmstrong8879
    @jenniferarmstrong8879 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Also with regards to the bonus round: the sea serpent Nagga, was a boat made of weir wood trees. You get a Yig made of Ygg.

  • @emilybarclay8831
    @emilybarclay8831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The Langi seem like the elves to the Children’s Fae. I’d bet the Naathi interbred with the Langi or their Old Ones ancestors making them a sort of cousin branch to the Children and the Crannogmen, Kinda like how Europeans interbred with Neanderthals and Asians interbred with Denisovans

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exactly. I bet it’s a lot like that

    • @emilybarclay8831
      @emilybarclay8831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@DavidLightbringer it’s actually so cool to me as a biological anthropology student who’s studied human origins and such like, clearly GRRM has some magical Neanderthal species running around and leaving their mark on humans much like there were in our world. Maybe like Neanderthals gave us much of our immune systems the Naathi’s resistance to the butterfly plague has some roots in a magical ancestor?

  • @kenchlife9527
    @kenchlife9527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Man, I wish you could have a lengthy (pun not intended) talk with GRRM about all of this. Wonder if he'd be impressed that all of this has been figured out? Perhaps disappointed that his mystery has been solved?

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      No I think as a writer you want people to solve this shit, why else put it in?

  • @xavier84623
    @xavier84623 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    it seems like all magic humans can perform comes from interbreeding in the past, weather forced and unnatural, like with old valyrian and their dragons, or naturally as it seems to be with the children of the forest and their kin in various locations.

    • @xavier84623
      @xavier84623 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      except the bloodstone meteor, it and its legacy seems to have knowledge of its own it can impart, like an alien influence

  • @catdaly737
    @catdaly737 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Been waiting so long to see you do a video connecting The Dreamquest to Leng in ASOIAF! It's one of my favorite Lovecraft stories. Really cool video!!

  • @melledevries4685
    @melledevries4685 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    About the connection between the Sarnori, the Mazemakers and the Isle of Leng: The Disputed Lands has released a video on this just a month ago, it's really interesting and lines up with your theory in a couple of places, but also diverges in some. If you want to check it out, it's called "The Mazemakers of Lorath/ ASOIAF Theory
    ."

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      been meaning to watch that one, I saw it come out. Love her channel!

    • @HighFantasyChannel
      @HighFantasyChannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@DavidLightbringer the descendants on the lower third of Leng made me think of her theory about the displaced fisher queens

  • @michaelshelton5488
    @michaelshelton5488 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Awesome video! Thanks to you and Quinn (and George himself of course) I really want to get into Lovecraft. I've listened to a couple of audiobooks of his stories (thanks Well Told Tale! 👍) but I've never actually read any. I also appreciate the fact that you are making videos under an hour now. 😜🤣 I really liked your long form, in depth videos, but these shorter ones are easier to consume, and you still manage to pack in a lot of good information and insight into them. Keep up the good work 👍👏

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I seem to have found a good length, yes :) Youtibe likes 10 min vids but I can’t cut down that far. 20-40 seems to work. My thanks!

  • @TheWuschi
    @TheWuschi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I've always been a huge fan of your clever theory ("theory" already in the scientific sense, since you've been able to make predictions based on it, which defines a theory, huge congratulations!) that GRRM draws quite a number of ideas from HPL in the world of ASOIAF! And I am so thrilled to meet the old ones in TWOW - maybe as a nemesis for Euron's bloody fooling around with magic? Or as something far beyond the wall in the Lands of Always Winter, which could be directly connected with the forbidden caves of Essos? (But this is in fact only a thesis, not a theory!) - Thank you so very much for all your great content!

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Dude I can’t WAIT to see green men. It’s right after seeing a comet / moon disaster on my wish list

    • @TheWuschi
      @TheWuschi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@DavidLightbringer We will see them! And we will face that comet you prophesied, waking up what is now rather dead and dreaming than sleeping... Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn, as I use to point out incidentially to my still disbelieving friends ;-) - Lots of love from Vienna/Austria!

  • @Shockweed
    @Shockweed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I've had my own tinfoil wrapped theory cooking about possible Far Eastern Essos connections to Westeros, specifically Far Mossovy, the Grey Waste and the North. (Working theory title: Eldric Shadowchaser and the Russian Starks). Watching this video makes me want to make one of my own on the subject. Currently lacking the resources to do so I'll probably just hit you up with a nice patreon donation to get your thoughts on it.

  • @shindari
    @shindari 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The only thing that I know about Leng, is that it has a massive library. And when it is on the "battlefield," you have no maximum hand size.

    • @crypticscrutiny1153
      @crypticscrutiny1153 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did my dude just make a tcg reference? No, he made it 2 months ago. Which card game is the card you are referring to in?

    • @shindari
      @shindari 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@crypticscrutiny1153 Magic: The Gathering.
      There's an old Artifact card, from one of the very early sets of that game, back in the early 90's. It's title is literally "Library of Leng."
      Basically, it's the original "Reliquary Tower," only it's an Artifact rather than a Land card. You have no maximum hand size as long as it's on the battlefield.

  • @bryanr.1171
    @bryanr.1171 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    My good sir i had to hit like after that spot on Bobby B impression🦌

  • @Fergieluna12
    @Fergieluna12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Whoa...what if the bloodstone emperor’s tiger woman was lengii, who was really a child of the forest or had some of that blood? He might mention this im only a few minutes in

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I didn’t actually, tho I mentioned that idea in the Great Emperor of the Dawn video as well as the Weirwood Goddess podcast series. I think there’s something there

  • @greghunter6951
    @greghunter6951 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The art you are using is amazing. I am sure it is fun to see the symbolisms in each one.

  • @jintym2951
    @jintym2951 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This is everything I need today; dramatic musical intro, dark & creepy subterranean set dressing and full tilt tin foil theorising!
    Let it begin. Let it begin! 🤩🤩🤩

  • @Liizardqueen90
    @Liizardqueen90 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I lost my old TH-cam account so I'm rewatching stuff and damn I love this world and lore

  • @NephRainbows
    @NephRainbows 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    That you actually managed to begin and finish (I assume) The Dreamquest to Unknown Kadath is testament to your dedication to the cause, because I have never managed to finish it, despite my best efforts and I never leave books and stories unfinished. This story, however, beat me with its sheer volume of descriptions and sheer lack of action. I get that dreams often meander and ramble, because I dream also, but this story really drained me. Well done you!

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      it's like a weird nightmare, yes, and it does go on a bit too long. But I had to get the Leng man, I just had to

    • @JediLordNathan
      @JediLordNathan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DavidLightbringer For me if I read Dreamquest I'd have a weird dream likely not nightmare as I really don't have them I just have strange dreams. Overactive imagination and an overactive mind will do it for me. Maybe the Great Other is Nyarlothotep and the Bloodstone Emperor worshiped Nyarlothotep which considering K'dath is on the map I'd not rule out the creeping chaos being involved somehow, who knows maybe I just want to see Jon and Dany face down one of the Outer Gods and win, George did write a story where Jaime Lannister fought Cthulhu once so it wouldn't be out of his area of expertise.

  • @ironchefnakamura7025
    @ironchefnakamura7025 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I continue to be surprised by the number of ASOIAF readers that haven't figured out that The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath is worth reading. A lot of the references couldn't be more in your face, and Google exists. Nothing to be ashamed of though, save that for the crowd of self-proclaimed Lovecraft aficionados that won't touch it or anything approaching it's length.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      have you checked out Grey Waste Tim's channel?

    • @ironchefnakamura7025
      @ironchefnakamura7025 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidLightbringer Seen him pop up in my recs a few times but I probably saw video lengths of 4 hours and said nope. If a video/stream/whatever is over an hour I get weird and would rather read a transcript of it or an essay. I'll have to find time on a slow day to skim some of his Lovecraft crossref videos.

  • @Djynni
    @Djynni 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I know it probably took you a long time, but I really enjoyed the production values of this video. I'm not suggesting that you do this kind of thing all the time, I also enjoy your more free-form videos. But it's nice to watch this kind every now and then.

  • @SmallStepsNesh
    @SmallStepsNesh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    the comment section is dark and full of memes

  • @delilahfrost403
    @delilahfrost403 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi David. Idk if you'll see this but I really felt the need to leave this comment. You are an inspiration to me. Your way with words and your explanations of George RR Martins works are pure artwork. You've inspired me to start writing my own novel, and I've been given the opportunity to teach a class centered around writing. I really hope that I can teach and inspire the writers in my class as you have taught and inspired me. I will be recommending your channels to all my students and I wish you the very best. Thank you for being such a positive force in my life!!!!!

  • @brandonlambert9768
    @brandonlambert9768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My second listen, and your King Robert gets me every time. You should always voice him like that.

  • @TobeWilsonNetwork
    @TobeWilsonNetwork 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    0:14 “George? It’s me, your brother Lucifer Lucas”
    I know others have covered it, but I’d love to hear your take on the Fisher Queens and the former inland sea, it’s my favorite lore deep cut

  • @bc269
    @bc269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cool. Thanks for posting. Your previous green men videos was a little thick for me. Thanks for the summary video. Keep them coming!!! Good Stuff.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      These Old Ones ideas were a little jumbled in the Weirwood Compendium, yes. I enjoyed doing this summary quite a bit. :)

  • @covkepacov
    @covkepacov 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks LML. You are really on top of your game here. I've always hoped that Cthulhu mythos is a bigger part of asoiaf than just filling out the world map. Old Gods might just still be some kind of elder race or The Great Old Ones themselves. Just imagine that Euron is Nyarlatothep. Fills my nerdish heart with joy :)

  • @krakentacos
    @krakentacos 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow. Thanks for pulling all this Lovecraft green men info out. Great vid as always!!!

  • @cuttingwitjason7195
    @cuttingwitjason7195 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    The Lengii' Empress was just " Making Leng Great Again"

    • @stannisbaratheon6661
      @stannisbaratheon6661 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Right, and selling out your empire to an inferior tribe to be made into slaves is extremely preferable.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Think it was a joke my man

    • @stannisbaratheon6661
      @stannisbaratheon6661 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@DavidLightbringer Yours was a joke. His has obvious intent.

  • @crd88918
    @crd88918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lucifer means Lightbringer I discovered you and Quinn like 2 weeks ago during my revisit to the books after not touching anything since the show ended and I’m completely enthralled

  • @Fathoms09
    @Fathoms09 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This just brightened my day!! Love the mystery surrounding this place!

  • @Ma55ey
    @Ma55ey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    if I'd done nothing last year but listen to the channel's library of content whilst working from home.... then 2020 wasn't such a bad year in my eyes...

  • @jonhauge-evaldsson783
    @jonhauge-evaldsson783 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Ashaii in Martin's world seems to be like the Men from Leng in Lovecraft's. They both have a bad reputation, hide their faces and trade with gold and gems.

  • @jgui93
    @jgui93 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Sometimes I feel like Martin's original idea (until the 2nd book, I feel) was to show us all of this Far East mysterious lore through Dany and her party's POV in the books. I just wonder how it would be all these revelations (through a symbolism orgasm, of course) and connections happening simultaneously in Essos and Westeros.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Actually you’re probably right. He was gonna take her to Asshai to learn “truth,” then abandoned the plan (I think he switched it to glass candle visions of Asshai Dany will have). So yeah he probably thought he could use some of this. Some of the East stuff be fleshed out for TWOIAF specifically, but I noticed the YiTish story of a woman with a monkeys tail was there already, as the YiTish wear monkey tail hats in AGOT

  • @mayasixtus1573
    @mayasixtus1573 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Comment for the almighty algorithm. The opening of this was absurd and utterly delightful. Thank you for your content. I hope the birds are happy with attention after the King Robert Livestream. Have a good one.

  • @JT_Soul
    @JT_Soul 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Leng - the Taiwan of Planetos (with a sprinkling of Sumatra and Lovecraft). Congrats on getting Robert Baratheon as a channel sponsor!

  • @BallJoinedWing
    @BallJoinedWing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The "c" in Cernunnos is pronounced like a "k" and is sometimes even replaced with a "k". Great video ty

  • @briant8676
    @briant8676 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is some of my favorite stuff from Game of Thrones I Enjoy the Lovecraft references this is a really good video man

  • @zacharygrinacoff9543
    @zacharygrinacoff9543 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    On point Bobby B impression 🦌🤣 never thought of him and Ned just immediately heading underground to the crypts as a parallel to the old ones on leng. Fits pretty freakin well. Looking forward to hearing more in the livestream today.

  • @justinalbertgrimaldo
    @justinalbertgrimaldo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am SO glad I found this channel. It's as if my life now has meaning. But for real, love your videos so much.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah! Welcome! If you like this series then yeah you’ll feel comfortable here... come hang with the crew on a livestream some time!

  • @LeonM4c
    @LeonM4c 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video.
    Perfect thing to vibe with before work.
    This one was especially good and chock full of symbolism.
    🖤🔥👹🐉🌊🌟🌀⚔🤙🏻

  • @dwightsmith3815
    @dwightsmith3815 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks to Quinns Ideas i found your channel and i am very glad that happens. Your channel is simply amazing. I watched so many of your videos over the last couple days and i can't get enough. Very amazing work.
    Greetings from Germany

  • @ikesweitzer9815
    @ikesweitzer9815 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow. A video I didn’t know I wanted! Great work!

  • @dirtygiraffe
    @dirtygiraffe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nooo, I'm going to dinner at my mothers place, I can't watch this now, but I really want to... Leng AND green men? This is going to be good, can't wait until I get home again!

  • @yoweedmofo19897
    @yoweedmofo19897 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I might have missed the sarcasm, but in that TWOIAF passage about the god-empress, I'm pretty sure "congress" refers to an intimate encounter, not a political one.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      hahah yeah totally i was trying to use subtle humor

  • @bronhaller
    @bronhaller 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Welcome to what is possibly my weirdest video" ...that's a lot to live up to - you've done some pretty weird videos, but that's part of what I love about you!

  • @RevanX77
    @RevanX77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    More of note, in Lovecraft lore Shub-Niggurath, "The Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young", is another of the outer gods and takes the position of an abominable fertility deity. Of course, the people of Qohor worship the "Black Goat", a deity which demands endless blood sacrifice. This calls to mind the mass sacrifices on Leng and the blood sacrifices to the Weirwood in Westeros, and naturally the figure of a goat is reminiscent of the stag/fertility god imagery present in old Westeros as well.
    Combine this with certain other facets of imagery, particularly the Lengi and Children being described with "teak" and "nut-brown" skin, the "green men", and even the twisted horns of the stag possibly being analogous to the branches of a tree, this leads me to question whether these people and figures are perhaps descended from the woods in a literal sense. After all, if humans can enter the genetic consciousness of the Weirwood, does it not follow that humans, or at least some humans, literally share a genetic heritage with the Weirwood, the "Old Gods"?

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep I’ve wondered about this too. In Norse myth the only two survivors of Ragnarok hide in an Ash tree and are reborn from it, plus there are other similar creation myths involving trees.

  • @osoisko1933
    @osoisko1933 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video. Don't have much else to say since I just woke up.

  • @camcamscrashcourses6223
    @camcamscrashcourses6223 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another well thought out and articulated piece of work. Thank you 😊!

  • @TYTfan
    @TYTfan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve been waiting for this!

  • @JohnJones-md9gj
    @JohnJones-md9gj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, I never would've thought of this. Great stuff, as always!

  • @cheeselover626
    @cheeselover626 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @23:06 I thought my PC was spazzing out for a sec cuz I got that same pic of Big Bobby B and Ned as my desktop wallpaper. Also, love love love this video! Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath is one of the few Lovecraft stories I have yet to read. This video gives me the urge to finally read it!

  • @hopedixon2133
    @hopedixon2133 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Leng. I'm glad someone is talking about this place because of it is just so interesting.
    First off...the appearance. I definitely agree that the Lengii are related to the children of the forest, as are the Naathi and probably the Jogos Nhai as well. The Jogos Nhai have pointed skulls, and Bran notes misshapen skulls in the weirwood net of caves that would match this, not to mention the Jogos Nhai were the first moonsingers, and using the moon to send information or dreams is definitely employed by mysterious characters in our story, some may be children of the forest.
    I also find it telling that both the Lengii and Jogos Nhai are feminist societies with both descriptions giving mentions of famous women leaders and a tradition of it overall. I do wonder if that is also how the children were as well; Osha tells Bran that she is of the true North, like her mother and mother before her. She thinks of wildlings such as Mance Rayder as no true wildling. Does she infact just mean that he has no child of the forest blood? She notably follows her matrilineal line, and not her patrilineal...which makes me wonder of the Rhoynish, a famously feminist people. The salty Dornishmen (those with the most Rhoynish blood) are literally described as "...lithe and olive-skinned..." but no eye color description, that probably would have made it too telling. I could totally be wrong about these connections, but some food for thought...

  • @alexandergangaware429
    @alexandergangaware429 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What if the underground tunnels and cities all over the world are connected? The CotF's name for themselves is translates to "those who sing the song of earth," and the only such Singers we've ever seen are 1) Leaf & Co., who live underground; and 2) the Ghost of High Heart (probably), who lives in the vicinity of a great hill, and the worldbook says the CotF live in "hollow hills,' among other housing options. Oh, and maybe the dwarf servant at the House of the Undying. Those Shade of the Evening trees are just photonegative weirwoods, so something is going on there.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I think Westeros is all connected at the least. Not sure how far it can go under the oceans, but maybe. It’s fantasy. GRRM is surely suggesting it.

    • @alexandergangaware429
      @alexandergangaware429 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidLightbringer The moon meteor impacts would have caused cave-ins, come to think of it

  • @Mr.PepeSilvia
    @Mr.PepeSilvia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Almost forgot about Leng. Great video LML.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Leng didn’t forget about you though. The Old Ones remember.

  • @stevenwetherbee7573
    @stevenwetherbee7573 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A small quibble but when you list all the place names GRRM used which are from HPL you included Carcosa. Carcosa was created by Ambrose Pierce in 1886, only to be picked up by other authors (HPL included).

  • @GoldenXBoots
    @GoldenXBoots 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Weirdest video? Right on! Strapping in and getting my flaming sword polished and ready for some reading with swordlight 🔥♥️

  • @WilliamFarge
    @WilliamFarge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Ouch, the story of the Elves' size in Tolkien is... complicated.

  • @lliamlee5702
    @lliamlee5702 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Praise be to the Old Gods!
    I find your videos so amazing,
    Please never, NEVER, stop teaching all of us all MYTH HEADS about this wonderful world🤟much love and appreciation.

  • @sabrinaleedance
    @sabrinaleedance 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The old ones legend reminds me of that one episode of Doctor Who where that planet by the black hoke had an old civilization where they trapped that giant demon God thing underground

  • @Alexander_Isen
    @Alexander_Isen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your channel is great buddy, consistent quality. Keep it up

  • @TheBoagboy
    @TheBoagboy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Carcossa came from The King in Yellow written by Robert W Chambers, not lovecraft. That said he was heavily *heavily* inspired by lovecrafts work. Just thought I would be pedantic for a moment.

  • @amynurss1375
    @amynurss1375 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice editing! I'd love to elaborate on YiTi or Ashai. Very Lovecraftian.

  • @espalier
    @espalier 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the King Robert riff you rocked here.

  • @cingvaldson
    @cingvaldson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍🏻🤘🏻😎
    Carry on, my good man. I thoroughly enjoy your work. How soon til your book comes out? I'm quite looking forward to it.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      a coupe months still, I've got writing to do. Thanks for your interest!

  • @zekaizerguy1181
    @zekaizerguy1181 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Your Robert is impeccable

  • @mausklick1635
    @mausklick1635 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm sure going to savour that video.

  • @zacharyhardy6332
    @zacharyhardy6332 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This far east ancient myth shit is right up my alley, great job!

  • @keeganverburg882
    @keeganverburg882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your King Robert is great, I hope he becomes a regular!

  • @daxmommy
    @daxmommy ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been waiting for this for YEARS now! 👏👏👏

  • @permiebird937
    @permiebird937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When we go to the Isle of Faces, will what remains of Prince Daemon Targaryan be enthroned on a weirwood like BloodRaven? Daemon's body was never found. He "died" in the gods eye, maybe the green men pulled him from the lake.

  • @daygocity
    @daygocity 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wake up to a possible weird ass Green Men video.... Let me get ready to #PraiseGarth

  • @GeminibBorn
    @GeminibBorn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ok the Robert Baratheon intro was Hilarious! 😂😂😂Thanks for that.

  • @tanner4280
    @tanner4280 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your pronunciation of lovecraftian lore entities is maybe the best I've ever heard

  • @uruk-
    @uruk- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Leng is Skull Island... Awesome video x)

  • @Daeron_I
    @Daeron_I 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah I’m going to file this one away in the “tf did I just listen to” part of my brain.
    In all seriousness, this is incredibly interesting, and sheds light on the weirder parts of asoiaf lore. Man, I love this channel.

  • @jonhauge-evaldsson783
    @jonhauge-evaldsson783 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The tunnels benith the Great pyramid in Meereen is also discribed as a maze. Just like Lorath, Leng, Nefer, The House of Dust in Qarth, The House of Black and White in Braavos and the Children of the Forest's caves.

    • @jonhauge-evaldsson783
      @jonhauge-evaldsson783 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And the base of the Hightower.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes some of those places may be symbolic parallels - this is all about the wwnet as a maze below the trees - and some may be connected literally. The most important aspect is really the wwnet stuff.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      These places are are symbolizing the maze at the base of the weirwood tree - the catacombs beneath, but really, the wwnet itself is the maze. Have you read Wizz the Smith’s Hollow Hills essay?

    • @jonhauge-evaldsson783
      @jonhauge-evaldsson783 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I have! I think it is all about opening the third eye, often blinding is involved like with Bran, Arya and the followers of the Blind God.

  • @Skooby59
    @Skooby59 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    May the old gods accept these words as a sacrifice to help me sleep and feed the ever ravenous algorithm

  • @kimberlycunningham3740
    @kimberlycunningham3740 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your Robert impression killed me!

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh ho! Now you can play hide and seek in the crypts with me and my good buddy Ned Stark! Since you’re dead!

  • @charlessindo9645
    @charlessindo9645 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is the stuff I LOVE about this world

  • @amandaofhouserobinson6707
    @amandaofhouserobinson6707 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yet again another great video from the man the myth the legend ! Thanks LML.

  • @ferniek5000
    @ferniek5000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    poly-pus gods and thier servants living in underground cities on the isle of Leng seems very similar to the many faced god and his srvants living in underground structures on the ilse of Bravos.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It does. Same idea symbolically at the least, and borrowing the vibe

  • @garo7839
    @garo7839 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I didn't wanna smoke this early, but now I kinda have to.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well at least it’s Saturday. You can either take a nap afterward or get into a cleaning project or something