LML is out here making new content and going strong while others are moving on to other topics, books and shows. I feel like 2022 is our year. Winter is coming!
Straight up the best ASOIAF content creator of all time, along with Quinn and GrayArea. It’s always some amazing, detailed, and incredibly interesting analysis!!
Quaith's whole thing makes me believe that George originally intended for Dany to fight the others at the five forts while Jon fought them at the wall, that they are related, but not destined to meet, that their wants and desires are put aside for the greater good. Two sides of the world, two sides of the same coin, one fights with ice while the other fights with fire. Continuing the parallel.
My main reason for believing Dany's dragons are the only current living dragons are that when her dragons are born, it seems to increase the potency of fire magic as far away as King's Landing and Oldtown, suggesting the effect is worldwide. So if dragons already lived somewhere on the planet, there wouldn't be such a massive change in fire magic from three new hatchlings.
I think GRRM would subvert this trope of magic settings by playing on our intuition on correlation vs causation. Many phenomena that appear to be the cause of some natural calamity, might actually be the result of the large environmental changes. It’s more likely that the dragons hatched BECAUSE of the resurgence of magic in the world. Or, the White Walkers are now more active BECAUSE of the glaciation period of the long night. And humans in their less scientific understanding flip the order of causality
Your comment about the Velaryons depiction in HotD, I really like how they didn't have them looking like the Targaryens. The way I saw it as during the times of Valyria, they weren't Dragonlords and so they carved their living from the sea. So it made perfect sense to me that their family would have gone all over the world and incorporated other cultures, even intermarried, to produce the Velaryons of the show.
Congratulations on the 40k... I remember talking to you on Twitter when you were super down, going through probably one of your worst times as a streamer. I told you then that you would get through it. Then instead of quitting, you made all the right moves, with the right people, at the right times... You earned that 40k bro. Proud of you my man.
Sacrifice to the algorithm overlords. I’ve always been mesmerized by Qarth, its walls, and its status throughout history. Really appreciate you taking the time to cover this man!
@@DavidLightbringer thank you for consistently elevating my level of awe towards George’s genius/ability to incorporate real world history into his story. With this kind of intricate 2+ hours analysis, it’s like experiencing epiphany after epiphany when you realize just how hard George worked on everything. Keep it up man!
Great stream. Qarth and Vaes Dothrak are often overlooked, but there is a lot of interesting lore behind them. Thank you for the quality content, and congratulations on hitting 40k subscribers.
@@DavidLightbringer Yet at the end of the day, you still need you create your own content that catches our eyes and sparks our minds enough to keep us tuning in. I enjoy your streams and videos more than any other ASOIAF streamer, by far. That is just you being your entertaining, imaginative self. I will support you til the wheels fall off my brother. 💯
For the grass woven houses, if one googles African Grass Hut I'll pull up many great variations. I remember seeing a youtube clip once of a village getting together to weave tall grasses and branches to build a house for their newlyweds (it literally takes a village) and it reminded me of this.
I’m sorry I can never seem to catch you live. Your Danny stream, in my opinion, was the absolute BEST I’ve watched so far (within the entire ASOFAF community, to clarify). Thank you for your content; your love and appreciation for this masterpiece keeps all of us wanting more! 😀
The GEOTD theory* ties for my Most Favorite Theory on LMLs channel, alongside the Timeline Heresies. Both "theories" put the the history pieces together so that it makes so much more sense than what we're given at first glance, and explains so much other stuff it's like a domino effect for solving dozens of little mysteries in this world. *I say "theory" because technically they are theories, but I consider them both to be headcanon, and I 100% believe that they are absolutely correct.
This is something that I have on my mind for quite sometimes. It makes sense for the dragons to be the demons from the east. They are fire made flesh as the Others are ice made flesh and they are the only magical creatures that cannot pass the wall. Leaf could pass, magical humans can pass only them and the ww cannot. If this is the case, the tiger woman and bloodstone tried to make them, couldn't do it, but found a way to create the bond. It would be, also, a parallel with night's king and queen. They tried to make ww but failed and maybe they even try to control the ones we already have, but they were stoped. Great job as always!
Fun stream! With regards to the bracelet with the fire opal: that, together with the dragon skeleton, to me simply seems to be saying "GEotD was here". I believe this is the first allusion in the books that they went beyond the Bones Mountains. Praise Qarth!
I think that goes for basically all of Qarth (GEOTD WAS HERE) and I suppose that was my overarching idea for the stream, showing how George developed the magical east in Dany's chapters. I love my little Tourmaline brotherhood tinfoil, I hope that's confirmed somehow lol
@@DavidLightbringer I think the tinfoil is likely true, but since we probably will never get back to Qarth and Qarth not figuring in the larger plot, confirmation will probably not come. Unless Bran's chapters REALLY become info dumps (I'm all for it!).
"Shout out to Terry Brooks and the Sword of Shannara" Books. Holy cow, that was like my gateway series when I was a wee lass of 8 yrs. Great reference!
hell yeah! I feel like as his books went on, he fell into telling the same story over and over, but the first 7 at least were amazing and influenced me quite a bit
I know this is an older video but I wanted to add that the grass houses and strawroofed ground houses remind me of a few things, culturally speaking Grass huts can be extremely sturdy and are used in almost every indigenous group that I'm aware of. And they absolutely could have used their horses dung to insulate them/give them strength just like ones I've seen from Africa As a Canadian with Mennonite ancestry (Germanic farming immigrants basically); those in ground houses with thatched roofs were actually extremely common for the prairies. It's safer from tornadoes and the elements as well
1:17:33 the blowing of the horns to her arrival is also reminding me of the dragon binder horns "calling the dragon". They're beaconing The Dragon (Dany) and will die (or are already dead) for doing so
George uses the word "Camelry" for camels as he uses MURDER to describe groups of ravens. Prior to ASOIAF I had no freaking idea murder had that meaning.
Honestly this comment here is probably one of my main reasons that I believe reading is a fundamental thing all people should do as a hobby, as I'm on the autism spectrum and 110% wouldn't have witheld as much information/learn as much as I did without reading especially with learning new words ❤️
@@gwynmarigold9141it’s all bunk tho, I should brush up, I’m sure I’m misremembered but at any rate, one guy came up with essentially all those different names for groups of different animals. As far as I know they’re all a modern invention and historically they weren’t used because they’d not been invented yet. They are fun, but you may as well make your own names… or for simplicities sake, just call them a “group” or a “herd” or a “flock” or a “school”
Lord of Light was my introduction to Indian Mythos, Zelazny was my favorite sci fi author for a long time, and he makes good use of archetypes and symbolism in nearly all of his work. ‘Creatures of light and darkness’ digs into ancient Egypt, and ‘this immortal’ does similar things with Greek mythology. This was a terrific stream.
I wonder if Urrathon Nightwalker was in Qarth when Dany was there. If Euron is Urrathon, and if he was there to see her, then we know how he knows that she is the most beautiful woman in the world with violet eyes.
haha he totally could have sent an emissary with a gift, or posed as one. Perhaps he just heard about her being there. Food for thought, but I bet we'll find out about this when Dany and Euron interact
This was my favorite Dany chapter by far, even more than the chapter she instinctually birthed dragons back into the world at the (almost foreknown) amazement of the Magi she sacrificed along with her Khal and unborn child. That was a good chapter but this Qarth chapter is even better. Other than that I'm not the biggest fan of her chapters, but I do like Barristan Selmy's.
On top of Constantinople there is also a country with a similar function (straddling trade routes) known as the Parthian (PARTHian) empire. They sat between the Chinese empire and the Roman empire, and bottlenecked trade for their own profit. Wouldn't be surprised if they were an influence
For what it's worth, I would definitely watch your content if you decided to branch out to other books. I particularly liked the video that you did about biblical mythology and am hyped to hear more of what you've got in the book. I know it's gotta be hard work coming up with new stuff from the just the GoT series, and I appreciate you giving us solid content to stay hyped for TWoW.
I would mos def buy a Garth the Green tshirt. Also, side note, I bought my wife a n "Eve did nothing wrong" tank top. She loves it and loved it even more after i showed her that video.
A palace made of grass. I was thinking of the Mitchell Corn Palace, but that's only decorated with corn and native grasses, not constructed of grass. Oh well. Went their a long time ago on a family vacation.
This was a great stream. Really has me thinking of the gemstone emperors. Opal really stands out in that line up. Hmm... Anyhow, sorry I missed it, Your Grace. I’m going to ruminate on that iron bracelet w/ the rough cut fire opal, as well. 🌌🌠
I missed this but I was wondering if there were camels in asoiaf. I love camels, I have a picture on one when I was like 3 years old in Egypt. I'm Egyptian and Central American born in Texas which made me multilingual.
I finally caught a live stream due recently discovering your channel. I love all your vids. I was too shy to ask questions in the live chat during the stream. Just know that I love all your content, and thanks for making me forget season 8 exist at times. As well as educating on the (book)world. Winter is coming.
Good news on preventing C with garth-related products. Also it seems that the anti-depression/anxiety meds that I'm on also reduce C effects. The world is a mysterious and glorious place.
Always love watching your streams!! Thank you for sticking with us through the troubled times the fandom has faced (basically everything after the crappy show ending). Hopefully the book will come out this year and you will get a surge of subscribers from those who return for TWOW.
Could have sworn I saw this in my notifications last week and everytime I searched it I couldn't find it lol now that makes sense glad I didn't miss it. As always before the stream kicks off imma say my thanks to you for the content and also love that wu tang shirt!
It never describes the Asshai'i as dark skinned specifically, just dark, which may refer to their clothes, tattoos, or hair, especially if they are not native to one place but people from all over the world who travel there to learn. If they are native it makes far more sense for people living for thousands of years in a place with no sunlight to be pale skinned
talking about the walls and gates of Qarth, it seems to be similar to the symbolism of the three cities in the bones mountains. Sandstone for the outer walls, iron for the middle gate, and black marble inner walls is the same pattern of glass iron and stone which are the formula for valyrian steel. Red grey and black are also the colors of valyrian steel, and red and copper together might make one think of blood. the eyes give a biblical angel "be not afraid" vibe, maybe implying a sort of divinity or dark magic. Not sure why we need lightbringer symbolism in qarth, but that's what came to mind for me
Idk if you see comments on old videos but I've come across this channel about a month ago after hearing mention by a different channel talking about the Weirwood network and how it works I listened to one video on how the wall works and have been falling down the rabbit hole ever since and I've been watching pretty much nothing but these long ass videos every day bc I have now officially become obsessed and now I HAVE to understand the book lore in spite only having read the first and watching the series I started watching thrones again from the beginning for the first time fully and trying to like pick out details that may relate and paint a better picture in my head. I've been doing thrones edits too and over alll just kinda falling back in love with all kinds of mythology again.
you should listen to one of the chapter rereads from a dance with dragons and see if that doesn't convince you to read the books. it's definitely worth it especially once you're looking for the symbolic language
@DavidLightbringer oh shit, hello. I'll definitely check it out. My memories of the book version of Game of Thrones are particularly strong, because like I was a teenager at the time and I read a lot at the time, but at the time, even though I reached the end and even started one of the others, I had no idea the reading order and my pros just wasn't up to par enough to fully comprehend what I was reading
Wow the moment I thought man if I was a TH-camr at 4:18 I’d say brb and come back after observing the high holiday, I had to rewind to make sure I wasn’t making it up
@1.01.00 or threabouts, the town of Coober Pedy, in South Australia is largely underground, and it is fairly comon in desert areas globally for comfort, protection and because rain is unlikely to flood out the structures, and the region is flat, so no caves. Seems like a lot of effort for temporary buildings, as suggested by GRRM but I suppose when one has slaves it was easier.
Anyone else get the connection between the oily black stone Asshai is built from and the oily black consistency of shade of the evening? Why are there so few SotE trees outside of the ones in Qarth? Do you think they would vitrify into stone the same way that weirwoods would? I think Asshai and other oily black stone structures were built with SotE trees (as a corrupted or human version of the five forts and ancient fused stone structures)and eventually got scorched by dragonfire which parallels them with Harrenhal. I think the true ancient dragon lord civilization comes from the cities of the bloodless men in the farthest east. Whereas the others are beyond the wall, the dragon lords would come from beyond the 5 forts. The scaled men in Kdath, the men with leathern wings, all corrupted versions of a civilization dragon riding peoples, tall and pale (bloodless) like the Qartheen are described.
1:23:55 Fu**ing, Fighting, and a Menagerie is a description of the story he is writing. the sexual nature of characters, the wars they fight, and the numerous houses that possess animal and plant symbolism being the Menagerie.
On the black with gold eyes, gray, and red colors of the walls. Running North we see Bayasabhad, which is on the (red) sand road, Samyriana, “a grey city carved into the very rock it defends…”, and Kayakayanaya, a made of black stone and iron and yellow bone. So those colors are the same three colors defending the passes as defending the city of Qarth.
Studded with golden eyes… 1000% of the time I see Golden Eyes in this series I think Children of the Forest. The Grasslands section of TWOIAF says the Qaathi included the forests of the north, full of Woods Walkers who could have been kin to COTF. This seems to me to be screaming that the Qarthi people have connections to the Children in some way. Some people for sure speculate that the children can travel through those tunnels around the world or are connected through them to other similar races (Lengii, Naathi…).
Also, it implies to me the link that may exist between the children and the others, since the Qaartheen and white and pale and there is a COTF like there. There’s also info on that same page that they speculate the Andals actually began down in the area of the Jade Gates. So there’s anything from curiosity-grade fun facts to full in red meat for the “Qaarthi are evil” crew and “andals are evil” heresy groups.
Ok, that same section on the ancient Qarthi empire talks about a spider goddess and serpent god fighting and endless, bloody war. Is that not dragons vs ice spiders? Plus the 13 is a thing in Qarth and obviously is very important in last hero symbolism. You may have gone through all this later in the video and I may be an idiot, so this all may be moot.
Idk if this has already been mentioned, I’m enjoying this as a rewatch. But what if the gates of Qarth, which TH-cam keeps trying to replace with Quartz, tell the story of its founding people’s golden age, through the journey of uncertainty, and the Long Night to emerge into the light of Qarth, the Greatest City that ever was or ever will be.
it’s really cool to see support for diversity promoted in a super nerdy space! keep it up dude ur content has nearly as much thought put into it as GRRM himself :))
At this point, chat should be considered your co-stars. They had me dying, had to watch the video twice. You got some funny friends Ser. I always wondered why someone so seemingly laid back could be prickly. I've gotten the ban threat before, and was nothing but confused. To cap off this totally bat-s parasocial post, I got a question. With how hard you work, I could imagine getting annoyed that everyone is goofing off. Mmm, sorry, I just had back surgery, and after a ton of different meds, my specialists were happy to send me to see Garth for the first time since college, about 8 years ago. I lost my tolerance, so I'm still getting used to reigning in my minds desire to zone out on the dumbest ideas.
You never struck me as an expert but you did strike me as somebody who did really good research and acknowledged it and made claims that the research supported which is so much more important
At around 1h 25 min there is a mention of Byzantium as possible inspiration for Qarth. A quick Wikipedia search returned some interesting facts, including this one: "According to accounts which vary in some of the details, in 340 BC the Byzantines and their allies the Athenians were under siege by the troops of Philip of Macedon. On a particularly dark and wet night Philip attempted a surprise attack but was thwarted by the appearance of a bright light in the sky. This light is occasionally described by subsequent interpreters as a meteor, sometimes as the moon, and some accounts also mention the barking of dogs." A celestial event that occurred during a dark night? You don't say... Especially since it's Qarth that gives us the legend of the second moon.
I wonder if Mel's Ruby necklaces is a) A Magical talisman to protect her from Poison she got well before her fire transformation, A 'Modern' Talisman to recreate the power of old now returning b) A thing that fire mages wear, and due to their ability to resist poison, is the origin, in universe, of the idea of a magical talisman necklaces that protect from poison. If that makes sense
Hey David I've been thinking about the carvings on the walls of Qarth too and it strikes me that those are all first man symbols. Animals, sex and war are all Strong symbols
52:09 - _Native_ Asshaii?? I thought of Asshai as an immigrant-only city, since no one gives birth there, no children survive. It's a place of transition, like some twisted college campus. No one starts a family there. How could there be natives there? I figured it's an early error in the text, but I may be wrong.
With reference to witchcraft and Christianity I’d just like to point out something my dad taught me growing up and I have since verified, the biblical passage thou shalt not suffer a witch to live goes back to the Greek Septuagint and the phrase used there for witch is pharmakeia which can also be translated as poisoner so thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live is a valid translation too
For the Red/White(pale/gray)/Black: the sigils use White, Grey, and Pale as the same color. I found this out when trying to figure out Aegon’s (Griff) hair color (Mance) clue with Jaqen (Targaryen/Stark) and Darkstar (Dayne/Reyne).
I think the Qarth walls could symbolize the themes of the series itself. On the surface, it's about fish, wolves, elephants, etc (Tully, Stark, fAegon, etc). The deeper meaning is about war and the horrors of it. But beyond that, it's about love. Maybe? Too much today lol...
The buildings in Vaes Dothrak actually do have real life precedents. Here's one reed-house typology from Iraq, I'd guess other cultures have their own versions. And while not quite the same, sod matts were a common building material in the American plains. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudhif
LML is out here making new content and going strong while others are moving on to other topics, books and shows. I feel like 2022 is our year. Winter is coming!
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My queen...
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It is known!
Straight up the best ASOIAF content creator of all time, along with Quinn and GrayArea. It’s always some amazing, detailed, and incredibly interesting analysis!!
Quaith's whole thing makes me believe that George originally intended for Dany to fight the others at the five forts while Jon fought them at the wall, that they are related, but not destined to meet, that their wants and desires are put aside for the greater good. Two sides of the world, two sides of the same coin, one fights with ice while the other fights with fire. Continuing the parallel.
That would be wild, just from a structural point of view
My main reason for believing Dany's dragons are the only current living dragons are that when her dragons are born, it seems to increase the potency of fire magic as far away as King's Landing and Oldtown, suggesting the effect is worldwide. So if dragons already lived somewhere on the planet, there wouldn't be such a massive change in fire magic from three new hatchlings.
I think GRRM would subvert this trope of magic settings by playing on our intuition on correlation vs causation. Many phenomena that appear to be the cause of some natural calamity, might actually be the result of the large environmental changes. It’s more likely that the dragons hatched BECAUSE of the resurgence of magic in the world. Or, the White Walkers are now more active BECAUSE of the glaciation period of the long night. And humans in their less scientific understanding flip the order of causality
Your comment about the Velaryons depiction in HotD, I really like how they didn't have them looking like the Targaryens. The way I saw it as during the times of Valyria, they weren't Dragonlords and so they carved their living from the sea. So it made perfect sense to me that their family would have gone all over the world and incorporated other cultures, even intermarried, to produce the Velaryons of the show.
Congratulations on the 40k... I remember talking to you on Twitter when you were super down, going through probably one of your worst times as a streamer. I told you then that you would get through it. Then instead of quitting, you made all the right moves, with the right people, at the right times... You earned that 40k bro. Proud of you my man.
Honestly, qarth reminds me of the City of Petra, very similar in description with red stone, and the art on it
Sacrifice to the algorithm overlords. I’ve always been mesmerized by Qarth, its walls, and its status throughout history. Really appreciate you taking the time to cover this man!
the Constantinople analog is a bit of a breakthrough there, that was nice
@@DavidLightbringer thank you for consistently elevating my level of awe towards George’s genius/ability to incorporate real world history into his story. With this kind of intricate 2+ hours analysis, it’s like experiencing epiphany after epiphany when you realize just how hard George worked on everything. Keep it up man!
Great stream. Qarth and Vaes Dothrak are often overlooked, but there is a lot of interesting lore behind them.
Thank you for the quality content, and congratulations on hitting 40k subscribers.
Great stream, as always. The fact you have the depth of knowledge to keep pumping new, original content is impressive. Much love.
hey thanks a lot Cody! It's a credit to how much knowledge George packed into a ASOIAF more than anything I think
@@DavidLightbringer Yet at the end of the day, you still need you create your own content that catches our eyes and sparks our minds enough to keep us tuning in. I enjoy your streams and videos more than any other ASOIAF streamer, by far. That is just you being your entertaining, imaginative self. I will support you til the wheels fall off my brother. 💯
For the grass woven houses, if one googles African Grass Hut I'll pull up many great variations. I remember seeing a youtube clip once of a village getting together to weave tall grasses and branches to build a house for their newlyweds (it literally takes a village) and it reminded me of this.
I’m sorry I can never seem to catch you live. Your Danny stream, in my opinion, was the absolute BEST I’ve watched so far (within the entire ASOFAF community, to clarify). Thank you for your content; your love and appreciation for this masterpiece keeps all of us wanting more! 😀
Thank you Stacey! You know I had to come with my very best for Daenerys
Wow I'm watching this Video one year after it's release and now you have almost 100k subs. Good luck for that 🍀
The GEOTD theory* ties for my Most Favorite Theory on LMLs channel, alongside the Timeline Heresies. Both "theories" put the the history pieces together so that it makes so much more sense than what we're given at first glance, and explains so much other stuff it's like a domino effect for solving dozens of little mysteries in this world.
*I say "theory" because technically they are theories, but I consider them both to be headcanon, and I 100% believe that they are absolutely correct.
❤️❤️❤️ That timeline heresies Pact and Hammer stream was great fun, def good to try to string it all together
This is something that I have on my mind for quite sometimes. It makes sense for the dragons to be the demons from the east. They are fire made flesh as the Others are ice made flesh and they are the only magical creatures that cannot pass the wall. Leaf could pass, magical humans can pass only them and the ww cannot. If this is the case, the tiger woman and bloodstone tried to make them, couldn't do it, but found a way to create the bond. It would be, also, a parallel with night's king and queen. They tried to make ww but failed and maybe they even try to control the ones we already have, but they were stoped.
Great job as always!
Fun stream! With regards to the bracelet with the fire opal: that, together with the dragon skeleton, to me simply seems to be saying "GEotD was here". I believe this is the first allusion in the books that they went beyond the Bones Mountains.
Praise Qarth!
I think that goes for basically all of Qarth (GEOTD WAS HERE) and I suppose that was my overarching idea for the stream, showing how George developed the magical east in Dany's chapters. I love my little Tourmaline brotherhood tinfoil, I hope that's confirmed somehow lol
@@DavidLightbringer I think the tinfoil is likely true, but since we probably will never get back to Qarth and Qarth not figuring in the larger plot, confirmation will probably not come. Unless Bran's chapters REALLY become info dumps (I'm all for it!).
I thought a fire opal could look like a bloodstone - but it looks magical for sure!
"Shout out to Terry Brooks and the Sword of Shannara" Books. Holy cow, that was like my gateway series when I was a wee lass of 8 yrs. Great reference!
hell yeah! I feel like as his books went on, he fell into telling the same story over and over, but the first 7 at least were amazing and influenced me quite a bit
"WHAT ZORSERY IS THIS?!?"
When a horde of mounted zebras appears out of nowhere
I know this is an older video but I wanted to add that the grass houses and strawroofed ground houses remind me of a few things, culturally speaking
Grass huts can be extremely sturdy and are used in almost every indigenous group that I'm aware of. And they absolutely could have used their horses dung to insulate them/give them strength just like ones I've seen from Africa
As a Canadian with Mennonite ancestry (Germanic farming immigrants basically); those in ground houses with thatched roofs were actually extremely common for the prairies. It's safer from tornadoes and the elements as well
1:17:33 the blowing of the horns to her arrival is also reminding me of the dragon binder horns "calling the dragon". They're beaconing The Dragon (Dany) and will die (or are already dead) for doing so
I also praised Garth before that thought so if that doesn't make sense, please disregard
The greatest livestream that ever was or will be.
George uses the word "Camelry" for camels as he uses MURDER to describe groups of ravens. Prior to ASOIAF I had no freaking idea murder had that meaning.
Honestly this comment here is probably one of my main reasons that I believe reading is a fundamental thing all people should do as a hobby, as I'm on the autism spectrum and 110% wouldn't have witheld as much information/learn as much as I did without reading especially with learning new words ❤️
Murder is for crows. Technically a group of ravens is an UNKINDNESS, which is still pretty dang metal.
@@gwynmarigold9141it’s all bunk tho, I should brush up, I’m sure I’m misremembered but at any rate, one guy came up with essentially all those different names for groups of different animals. As far as I know they’re all a modern invention and historically they weren’t used because they’d not been invented yet.
They are fun, but you may as well make your own names… or for simplicities sake, just call them a “group” or a “herd” or a “flock” or a “school”
Lord of Light was my introduction to Indian Mythos, Zelazny was my favorite sci fi author for a long time, and he makes good use of archetypes and symbolism in nearly all of his work. ‘Creatures of light and darkness’ digs into ancient Egypt, and ‘this immortal’ does similar things with Greek mythology. This was a terrific stream.
Just sent over a PayPal donation towards you being able to purchase a new computer. Love all the content!
I wonder if Urrathon Nightwalker was in Qarth when Dany was there. If Euron is Urrathon, and if he was there to see her, then we know how he knows that she is the most beautiful woman in the world with violet eyes.
haha he totally could have sent an emissary with a gift, or posed as one. Perhaps he just heard about her being there. Food for thought, but I bet we'll find out about this when Dany and Euron interact
This was my favorite Dany chapter by far, even more than the chapter she instinctually birthed dragons back into the world at the (almost foreknown) amazement of the Magi she sacrificed along with her Khal and unborn child. That was a good chapter but this Qarth chapter is even better. Other than that I'm not the biggest fan of her chapters, but I do like Barristan Selmy's.
34:35 Bran looking east beneath the sunrise sounds like he's looking back to the dawn of time or the birth of magic/dragons.
Could the red, grey, black walls represent sunset, twilight, and night? A gradual reduction into infighting and hedonism?
I keep rewatching this and picking up new things each time!
Great stream as always!! Never stop please! Much love from Greece!!
On top of Constantinople there is also a country with a similar function (straddling trade routes) known as the Parthian (PARTHian) empire. They sat between the Chinese empire and the Roman empire, and bottlenecked trade for their own profit. Wouldn't be surprised if they were an influence
For what it's worth, I would definitely watch your content if you decided to branch out to other books. I particularly liked the video that you did about biblical mythology and am hyped to hear more of what you've got in the book. I know it's gotta be hard work coming up with new stuff from the just the GoT series, and I appreciate you giving us solid content to stay hyped for TWoW.
I agree massively with you dude! Any book series he does will be watched and shared by me 120% 🤘🤘
Love the idea of Dany returning to Essos after the war for the dawn.
I would mos def buy a Garth the Green tshirt. Also, side note, I bought my wife a n "Eve did nothing wrong" tank top. She loves it and loved it even more after i showed her that video.
oh shit that's fuggin amazing, thanks for letting me know!
Always loved the theory of how the GEotD people escaped over the bones during the long night into vaes dothrak, qarth, etc.
Thank you for answering my question, fun stream as always
Good work here! I really enjoyed the video.
Great to listen to while driving
A palace made of grass. I was thinking of the Mitchell Corn Palace, but that's only decorated with corn and native grasses, not constructed of grass. Oh well. Went their a long time ago on a family vacation.
Congratulations 🎊 reaching 40k!!!! 4 years!
I wonder why illirio gives all three dragons eggs to Dany, when he's obviously also tied to the fate of young griff
Keep up the fantastic videos Lucy 🤙
Are you trying to frighten me with magic tricks? You want me? Here I am! Are you afraid of a little girl?!
This was a great stream. Really has me thinking of the gemstone emperors. Opal really stands out in that line up. Hmm...
Anyhow, sorry I missed it, Your Grace. I’m going to ruminate on that iron bracelet w/ the rough cut fire opal, as well. 🌌🌠
I’m 100% on the Vaes Tolero retreat. Maybe because it’s mentioned that there are disused but fruitful trees in the dooryards and gardens.
Camelry and zorsery keeps reminding me how I really want a “headless zorseman” reference somewhere.
Love exploring this part of the world! Thanks LML
I missed this but I was wondering if there were camels in asoiaf. I love camels, I have a picture on one when I was like 3 years old in Egypt. I'm Egyptian and Central American born in Texas which made me multilingual.
Cool about the connection to Disputed Lands, she is awesome
I finally caught a live stream due recently discovering your channel. I love all your vids. I was too shy to ask questions in the live chat during the stream. Just know that I love all your content, and thanks for making me forget season 8 exist at times. As well as educating on the (book)world. Winter is coming.
Good news on preventing C with garth-related products. Also it seems that the anti-depression/anxiety meds that I'm on also reduce C effects. The world is a mysterious and glorious place.
Just a Big Thank You 🙏🏻 LML for sharing this stream, you’re so good, you should have at least 100k Subs, you’re on the ball Man💪🏼🤜🏼🤛🏼🤩👌🏻🙋🏼♀️🇨🇦☃️😉
Another informative stream. Thank you. Congratulations on 40k!
Always love watching your streams!! Thank you for sticking with us through the troubled times the fandom has faced (basically everything after the crappy show ending). Hopefully the book will come out this year and you will get a surge of subscribers from those who return for TWOW.
This was good. The east in ASOIAF is a hot bed of mixing and clashing culture and it makes the world feel alive
Missed the live stream but here to rewatch and leave my comment!
Great stream, lots of good discussion.
Could have sworn I saw this in my notifications last week and everytime I searched it I couldn't find it lol now that makes sense glad I didn't miss it. As always before the stream kicks off imma say my thanks to you for the content and also love that wu tang shirt!
Love these livestreams. Great content. Glad you are getting that extra covid protection.
It never describes the Asshai'i as dark skinned specifically, just dark, which may refer to their clothes, tattoos, or hair, especially if they are not native to one place but people from all over the world who travel there to learn. If they are native it makes far more sense for people living for thousands of years in a place with no sunlight to be pale skinned
talking about the walls and gates of Qarth, it seems to be similar to the symbolism of the three cities in the bones mountains. Sandstone for the outer walls, iron for the middle gate, and black marble inner walls is the same pattern of glass iron and stone which are the formula for valyrian steel. Red grey and black are also the colors of valyrian steel, and red and copper together might make one think of blood. the eyes give a biblical angel "be not afraid" vibe, maybe implying a sort of divinity or dark magic. Not sure why we need lightbringer symbolism in qarth, but that's what came to mind for me
Idk if you see comments on old videos but I've come across this channel about a month ago after hearing mention by a different channel talking about the Weirwood network and how it works
I listened to one video on how the wall works and have been falling down the rabbit hole ever since and I've been watching pretty much nothing but these long ass videos every day bc I have now officially become obsessed and now I HAVE to understand the book lore in spite only having read the first and watching the series
I started watching thrones again from the beginning for the first time fully and trying to like pick out details that may relate and paint a better picture in my head. I've been doing thrones edits too and over alll just kinda falling back in love with all kinds of mythology again.
you should listen to one of the chapter rereads from a dance with dragons and see if that doesn't convince you to read the books. it's definitely worth it especially once you're looking for the symbolic language
@DavidLightbringer oh shit, hello. I'll definitely check it out. My memories of the book version of Game of Thrones are particularly strong, because like I was a teenager at the time and I read a lot at the time, but at the time, even though I reached the end and even started one of the others, I had no idea the reading order and my pros just wasn't up to par enough to fully comprehend what I was reading
Wow the moment I thought man if I was a TH-camr at 4:18 I’d say brb and come back after observing the high holiday, I had to rewind to make sure I wasn’t making it up
@1.01.00 or threabouts, the town of Coober Pedy, in South Australia is largely underground, and it is fairly comon in desert areas globally for comfort, protection and because rain is unlikely to flood out the structures, and the region is flat, so no caves. Seems like a lot of effort for temporary buildings, as suggested by GRRM but I suppose when one has slaves it was easier.
2 years later, still not done.
Anyone else get the connection between the oily black stone Asshai is built from and the oily black consistency of shade of the evening? Why are there so few SotE trees outside of the ones in Qarth? Do you think they would vitrify into stone the same way that weirwoods would? I think Asshai and other oily black stone structures were built with SotE trees (as a corrupted or human version of the five forts and ancient fused stone structures)and eventually got scorched by dragonfire which parallels them with Harrenhal. I think the true ancient dragon lord civilization comes from the cities of the bloodless men in the farthest east. Whereas the others are beyond the wall, the dragon lords would come from beyond the 5 forts. The scaled men in Kdath, the men with leathern wings, all corrupted versions of a civilization dragon riding peoples, tall and pale (bloodless) like the Qartheen are described.
I'm here for the Camalry 😊
Nice to see my dawn goddess fixation is catching on!
Just watching this one for the first time. This is the kind of **** I do, in fact, like!❤
Good stuff. Still gotta check out the Dany video too. I can hardly keep up, you have too much good content. Thanks man, you’re doing great things.
1:23:55 Fu**ing, Fighting, and a Menagerie is a description of the story he is writing. the sexual nature of characters, the wars they fight, and the numerous houses that possess animal and plant symbolism being the Menagerie.
That’s not bad Drew!
Lapis lazuli: Lah-piece lah-soo-lee
On the black with gold eyes, gray, and red colors of the walls. Running North we see Bayasabhad, which is on the (red) sand road, Samyriana, “a grey city carved into the very rock it defends…”, and Kayakayanaya, a made of black stone and iron and yellow bone. So those colors are the same three colors defending the passes as defending the city of Qarth.
Ok that’s interesting... I wonder what it meansn
Studded with golden eyes… 1000% of the time I see Golden Eyes in this series I think Children of the Forest. The Grasslands section of TWOIAF says the Qaathi included the forests of the north, full of Woods Walkers who could have been kin to COTF. This seems to me to be screaming that the Qarthi people have connections to the Children in some way. Some people for sure speculate that the children can travel through those tunnels around the world or are connected through them to other similar races (Lengii, Naathi…).
Also, it implies to me the link that may exist between the children and the others, since the Qaartheen and white and pale and there is a COTF like there. There’s also info on that same page that they speculate the Andals actually began down in the area of the Jade Gates. So there’s anything from curiosity-grade fun facts to full in red meat for the “Qaarthi are evil” crew and “andals are evil” heresy groups.
Ok, that same section on the ancient Qarthi empire talks about a spider goddess and serpent god fighting and endless, bloody war. Is that not dragons vs ice spiders? Plus the 13 is a thing in Qarth and obviously is very important in last hero symbolism. You may have gone through all this later in the video and I may be an idiot, so this all may be moot.
Idk if this has already been mentioned, I’m enjoying this as a rewatch. But what if the gates of Qarth, which TH-cam keeps trying to replace with Quartz, tell the story of its founding people’s golden age, through the journey of uncertainty, and the Long Night to emerge into the light of Qarth, the Greatest City that ever was or ever will be.
I found the Magic of the East video! It's really hard to get into Qarth these days.
not one, but THREE walls. It's overkill. Worse than the TSA
I like the new ideas all the time. Watch it during work. Sometimes i put the playback speed a little faster cuz the streams are long.
So did the dragons bring magic back or did magic bring the dragons back?
Or did the magons bring the dragic back?
Yes.
I love me some Gray Area!
The disputed lands channel is great!
it’s really cool to see support for diversity promoted in a super nerdy space! keep it up dude ur content has nearly as much thought put into it as GRRM himself :))
At this point, chat should be considered your co-stars. They had me dying, had to watch the video twice. You got some funny friends Ser.
I always wondered why someone so seemingly laid back could be prickly. I've gotten the ban threat before, and was nothing but confused.
To cap off this totally bat-s parasocial post, I got a question. With how hard you work, I could imagine getting annoyed that everyone is goofing off.
Mmm, sorry, I just had back surgery, and after a ton of different meds, my specialists were happy to send me to see Garth for the first time since college, about 8 years ago.
I lost my tolerance, so I'm still getting used to reigning in my minds desire to zone out on the dumbest ideas.
Do like that Qaith says go to the past or back and made me think if it was pushing her into finding out about the empire of the Dawn
Love your work. Appreciate it. Have a Good One :)
Late as usual but loved this one!
Vaes Dothrak has a bunch of gods. Sure hoping for a weirwood appearance there (bloodshed is even forbidden!)
Boy your style is impeccable lol
Peace and wholeness fam
Keeping it 💯
You never struck me as an expert but you did strike me as somebody who did really good research and acknowledged it and made claims that the research supported which is so much more important
At around 1h 25 min there is a mention of Byzantium as possible inspiration for Qarth. A quick Wikipedia search returned some interesting facts, including this one:
"According to accounts which vary in some of the details, in 340 BC the Byzantines and their allies the Athenians were under siege by the troops of Philip of Macedon. On a particularly dark and wet night Philip attempted a surprise attack but was thwarted by the appearance of a bright light in the sky. This light is occasionally described by subsequent interpreters as a meteor, sometimes as the moon, and some accounts also mention the barking of dogs."
A celestial event that occurred during a dark night? You don't say... Especially since it's Qarth that gives us the legend of the second moon.
haha that's just the sort of thing George knows about and uses. He's wayyyy more of a history buff than I am. Good find!
We have seen teleportation once before, when the Prince of Sorrows brought back Aegon's boat.
I wonder if Mel's Ruby necklaces is
a) A Magical talisman to protect her from Poison she got well before her fire transformation, A 'Modern' Talisman to recreate the power of old now returning
b) A thing that fire mages wear, and due to their ability to resist poison, is the origin, in universe, of the idea of a magical talisman necklaces that protect from poison.
If that makes sense
Hey David I've been thinking about the carvings on the walls of Qarth too and it strikes me that those are all first man symbols. Animals, sex and war are all Strong symbols
52:09 - _Native_ Asshaii??
I thought of Asshai as an immigrant-only city, since no one gives birth there, no children survive. It's a place of transition, like some twisted college campus. No one starts a family there.
How could there be natives there?
I figured it's an early error in the text, but I may be wrong.
That’s a good point, probably the time is just referring to the people from there now, like shadowbinders or whatever
With reference to witchcraft and Christianity I’d just like to point out something my dad taught me growing up and I have since verified, the biblical passage thou shalt not suffer a witch to live goes back to the Greek Septuagint and the phrase used there for witch is pharmakeia which can also be translated as poisoner so thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live is a valid translation too
This years the year!! 🤞🤞
Great stream
For the Red/White(pale/gray)/Black: the sigils use White, Grey, and Pale as the same color. I found this out when trying to figure out Aegon’s (Griff) hair color (Mance) clue with Jaqen (Targaryen/Stark) and Darkstar (Dayne/Reyne).
LML your ideas are making the rounds! Thank God! will contact!
I think the Qarth walls could symbolize the themes of the series itself. On the surface, it's about fish, wolves, elephants, etc (Tully, Stark, fAegon, etc). The deeper meaning is about war and the horrors of it. But beyond that, it's about love.
Maybe? Too much today lol...
I rather like this idea.
Love you GoT videos man, wish i could have caught the stream live
The buildings in Vaes Dothrak actually do have real life precedents. Here's one reed-house typology from Iraq, I'd guess other cultures have their own versions. And while not quite the same, sod matts were a common building material in the American plains.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudhif
It's cause you're the best LML!
Nice video!