She got hammered on twitter for this. Everything she said people would say “so you’re saying” and twist it. Like, “good morning”, “so you’re saying the evening is bad?”
@@thomasmann4536 just shows how "biased" a 'substancial minority' can not be changed, because they are so deeply caught up with it... Just one of the crazy harpy sisters. You meet a lot of women like this today in your life. :)
@@thomasmann4536 She did her job exactly as she was paid and expected to do. That the opinions put forth by her are indefensible isn't something she can control.
@@GodwynDi agreed, she has to take the company line and Ch4 news has a reputation for provocative often fairly aggressive interviewing style.... but her reactions afterwards are totally within her control and on that front she did fail miserably.
The fact that Dr. Peterson is "polarizing" absolutely blows my mind. What exactly is polarizing? I just don't understand - never in my 32 years have I encountered a man so genuinely curious about the human condition as well as individual people themselves and who genuinely wants everyone to be the best version of themselves. It baffles me that anyone could say a hateful word against this man.
He is only considered polarizing by people who live in a state of polarization by default. In this case it's left wing extremists. Any extremist will naturally oppose anyone who is not as extreme as they are, not even bothering to listen to the man.
he's obviously well educated and you're spot on about the human condition part. however, he only became popular after an extreme anti-trans take that transphobes absolutely lapped up and put him on that pedastel. so no matter if part of him is clearly good quality, the grift he's got going now keeping that right-wing/transphobic audience has really put any quality aside
Theseannie just another idiot who won't listen JP's argument has never been with the trans community but with an authoritarian left wing government arrogant enough to implement compelled speech law. The exact kind of laws used by totalitarian regimes throughout history but never implemented in a free country the exact kind of law George Orwell warned off justifying their dangerous overreach by claiming to be helping vulnerable trans people just as the communists claimed all their draconian laws were to protect "the people" or the "workers".
@@theseanie9958 you do understand the whole "right wing" thing is just code for "things I don't like" right? I'm fine with however you think you are, but you still have biology and when you go to a doctor s/he has to treat you based on biology, not what you think. There are trends among men and women. eg . Women have endurance for making sure she can run longer with the kiddos. Men have a speed burst to chase off predators. and it does not matter how much testosterone you drain. I don't recommend that for any biological man because it can cause depression especially as you get older.
@@theseanie9958 The "extreme anti-trans" take you're talking about is literally refusing to cede the right to choose words for himself to the Canadian government. Compelled speech is the antithesis to freedom, so of course an educated person would be against it. I find it pretty funny that you agree with the "human condition part" and then in the very next sentence fall prey to it immediately. Do 10 minutes of looking into Dr. Peterson and you'd see he's not grifting anyone.
It makes me happy that even though the Cathy Newman interview is from years ago, new audiences are still getting to see and hear it for the first time. It gives me hope.
Backstory about this interview. Peterson didn’t know what he was walking into. He said on the JRE that before the cameras turned on that she was very pleasant and nice to talk to. After they started rolling he immediately noticed a shift in her behavior. The news channel also aired the interview thinking they “got him” but the overwhelming response from viewers was in favor of Jordan. I believe for months after this dropped, thousands of people would respond “so what you’re saying is…” whenever Cathy would tweet something 😂. Solid reaction and props on picking up where the interview was going early on.
Appreciate the information. JP is an unsurpassed orator and debater. His logic and presentation of facts can not be disputed. It is how our society should operate; our relationships would be happier and longer-lasting. This woman is hearing but not listening.
Yeah, like he said to Joe it took him by surprise at first because she went from very pleasant to being on the offensive - but he'd been through enough attacks by that point in his life he just immediately changed gears and became very conscious of his words..
Yeah, imagine that, a woman (who the eff does she think she is, doesn't she know her place) daring to ask questions and getting him to actually defend his stance. It's something that reporters are supposed to do and they actually do that in the 'socialist' hellholes, unlike in the brave USA where you better not dare ask actual questions to get to the core of it all. You guys never heard of being advocate of the devil. Fuck, how many of all the fan boys on here have ever actually kissed a girl? How many of you have lots of long guns, not to make up for other things, of course. The only one I saw who's feathers got ruffled is your master debater JP. The only one that got clearly uncomfortable and annoyed was your 'alpha male'. Is he intelligent, sure. Is he smart. Nope. Does he know his field, sure. But for the rest he is just a jackoff with a christian persecution complex and a deep seated misogynistic view. Proof for that is easily found, but his fan base will utterly ignore it.
We tell our sons to respect women We tell our daughters how they should expect to be treated But nobody teaches their daughters how to treat/respect men
I would say having a good strong father figure teaches daughters how to treat and respect men. I’m incredibly lucky to have had such a great dad. Great man.
That's true, when women aren't promoting and encouraging man to be responsible, conscientious and tough by actively have relationship with man with that quality (befriend, dating or marrying them), that makes as if those behaviors aren't quality they sought, which also affecting the rise of immoral and cruel man with bad behaviors.
She completely was impressed by him by the end. And it started to go that way right after he complimented her about her being un agreeable as a trait that makes her a successful person. It shocked her and made her feel validated that he didn’t consider her a weak women but a strong person.
Yes she definitely got a little flustered there. She is definitely a strong woman and a lot of her interviews are good. I think in this one she had too much personal investement and Jordans calm dismantlement of her heartfelt "Truths" was just too much for her.
On a more serious note I believe that this particular interview will be studied in debate classes for generations to come. It was such a perfect example of repeated bias.
No, I bet she had amazing grades in debate class, otherwise she would never get such an important job. Besides being a woman and a preferential hire for the company to appeal more to feminists. Debate class is far removed from reality. In a school setting that is heavily soaked in politics and whatever biases your teacher has. All this new age bullshit idealism COMES FROM UNIVERSITIES.
If you go back and follow the aftermath of that interview, Kathy Newman got persecuted! Jordan had to step in and compassionately plead with people to leave her alone.
@@lesleyclaster6878 she was constantly trying to put words in his mouth, twist the words he was saying and trying to get him to say something that agrees with her cause the moment she did the interview would be over and that would be the only clip shown. Her owning him and him agreeing with her.
She came into it with an agenda and already made a decision on who JP is. She’s was badly mistaken and was unable/unwilling to change tact during the interview.
This interview was a Chess match. One in which JP decides NOT to attack But To eradicate Each of her attacks one by one until she is left with just her king, and he still has all of his pieces. * also know as TOTAL VICTORY
@@j-dubz2349 I think kathy is the type of person when they start to lose in chess they not only strike the pieces away but stand up and shit all over the board just to make the opponent and all the audience uncomfortable
As a 68 year old father of an adult son and daughter, I can see the tears well up in their eyes when I tell them that I’m proud of them. Those are words that I never heard. I realize how important it is for me to say it to them.
I laughed at that moment, knowing, "you ain't seen nothing yet!" I figure Alex was probably a competent law student during school, so Kathy's interview "style" would likely be exasperating for anyone with an ounce of logic, reason, and debate skill.
My favourite thing about this guy is how he can win an argument without even really arguing back. He just lays out the facts for how they are and it infuriates people
Truth is very inconvenient to the emotionally charged argument, almost always. Because logic and truth require a certain amount of responsibility, but emotionally charged arguments are often seeking blaim as a resolution, NOT responsibility 😉 if you're already taking responsibility for yourself, the "Lion of truth and logic" will be on YOUR side. And the "Gazelle of emotion" is often defenseless and vulnerable. Vulnerability causes fear, and fear leads to things like anger, blaim, and obviously...weak arguments.
Well, I've got to say, I'm a Canadian woman and was raised in the same area of Alberta that Jordan Peterson was. I'm a couple of years older. He is an amazing orator and has a mind that few can challenge, to be sure. Everyone regardless of gender can benefit from listening to him. He often is right on the money. Sadly, most feminists can't stand him because he points out the flaws in what they're pushing and makes them see the truth with facts. Feminists and most liberal-minded people don't like facts any longer, they prefer emotion over critical thinking.
I agree completely. The biggest lie they tell is that they are liberals. They are not. They are leftists. They just did not notice the change when it happened.
@@theseanie9958 It wasn't a transphobic issue. It was the issue of forced speech. The subject could have been "words you must use to describe pickles" and he still would have objected. Making laws where the state tells you to say their words or they put you in jail goes against huge foundational issues in law going back to English common law. The MSM painting it as transphobic is just part of their usual disinformation campaign. It's really stupid too. He has had plenty of clients and social contacts who are trans. He has good communications with them. It's when the state gets involved when the line is crossed. We are not to be the state's puppets saying their words. If they keep pushing that kind of garbage, then it will come down to shooting. Just watch, they'll probably back off just before that point, which is the telltale sign of a bully. Do you believe that garbage? Have you been programmed by their lies?
I just love 31:10 when his expression turns drop dead serious, and says “in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive” It’s the point in the interview where you can tell he had enough and things will get downhill fast 😅
My favorite part of any JP interview is when they seem to forget what his profession is and he just deadpan says "im a clinical psychologist" it happens at least once per interview and its hilarious to me.
My favorite part is in that radio interview one, which also has video on youtube, and at one point the camera switches to an angle where you can see JP discuss at his usual high level and high precision with a similarly incompetent host as Cathy, while he's also literally doodling the typical "i'm bored" doodles.
@@MidnightSt Yeah, the problem with ideologs is that when you had a debate with one, you had a debate with all. He already knows everything they're going to say in and out and backwards - no wonder he's bored.
@@rauminen4167 the thing is though that he still listens and and answers them without aggression. He gives respect to the people that question him while the people who vilify him don't even bother to listen to his points
When I was in high school there was a piranha tank in our biology class. I am not entirely positive this was legal but it was a private school. When the piranha were young whenever the teacher would drop a goldfish in the tank to feed them it would get devoured immediately. However, as they matured the piranha wouldn't necessarily eat the goldfish right away. It was as if they recognized the situation. The goldfish wasn't going anywhere, wasn't a threat and they could eat when they decided to eat. It is a funny thing how the goldfish would respond to this situation. You might think that it would try to remain as far from the piranha as possible but in fact it would instead attempt to assert dominance swimming up to the piranha and bumping them. The piranha would largely ignore this and in their good time converge and begin taking chunks out of the goldfish. This is what this interview was like except I think Cathy Newman honestly thought that she was the piranha.
Definitely read his books. He's astonishing. The really interesting part of this discussion is that he clicks from interviewee to clinician after 3-4 minutes. He picked up on her hostility and then demolished her preconceptions. Absolutely phenomenal man.
I had been following his work for years already when that interview took place. I watched it when it was released, and man, that “Gotcha” moment, even years later, still puts a huge smile on my face. Never gets old.
You know he actually regrets saying hah gotcha instead of using that moment where she dropped her Anima possession to guide her instead of doing that and putting her right back into her trance.
@@dartagnanhenry4492 yeah I’ve heard him analyze the interview afterwards, very interesting. Does not take anything from the wholesomeness of the moment to me though ahah That gentleman is something else. Not that I agree with everything he says, but if more people behaved and thought like him, or at least followed some of his personal development advice, the world would’probably be a much better placer in my humble opinion!
I don't remember who said this, but the quote was, "You can have freedom, or you can have equality". And it isn't a man vs woman, or a race vs race thing. If given the freedom to do whatever they want to do, some people will automatically be on top and as a consequence of that, some of us will be at the bottom. The only way to achieve true equality is by forcing those on top to not be on top, or forcefully pushing up those aren't on top. Either way, it comes at the cost of someone's personal freedom. Neither of them sound like perfect system. But, I'd be leaning on the side of personal freedom for all, over forcing anyone in to _(or out of)_ something that they do _(or don't)_ want to do.
That statement is so simplified that it's dangerous: Look online for the illustration of the three kids on boxes watching a baseball game (or whatever sport). Three kids, each different heights. One is tall enough to see over the fence unassisted. The middle kid needs only one box to stand on in order to see the game. The third, shortest kid needs two boxes to stand on in order to see over the fence. Equal opportunity as you're using it would give them each a single box. Equal outcome gives no boxes to the tallest (he doesn't need one), one box to the middle kid, and two to the shortest kid. The tricky thing is the wording: by providing "equality of outcome" --- i.e. equity (as opposed to equality) --- all children have the "equal opportunity" to view the game... it's a tougher nut to crack than you might think
@@Ph4n_t0m Historically, Equality of Outcome doesn't involve boxes at all. It's achieved by cutting off the legs of the tall an medium kid so that none of them can watch the game.
@Tactless86 exactly. Every historical instance of trying "equality of outcome" has ended up the same - a few people ruling over a large number of people who have all been made "equal" - equally poor that is. More people in history have been raised out of poverty by giving them the opportunity to work hard to get ahead. No, it's not a guarantee, but it's the method that provides the most freedom and hope for individuals.
She is the classic example of this social media generation. Doesn’t matter how sound an argument is and made. What matters and what she is relying on, is you hearing what was said last due to a short attention span. “So what you are saying is”…….
I am not a 'Jordan Peterson fan." And from the impressions I'd received about him, I fully expected to dislike his perspectives and arguments. But i quickly realized that his immaculate arguments are something of a lost art, and the respect he shows for everyone he argues with, even, and maybe especially those who appear to hate or be angered by him, is a treasured commodity. Our inability to have calm and objective discussions as a society is truly tearing us apart. And for those who feel that the rich and greedy are ruining our lives, it is this terrible polarity of politics and social discourse that is allowing us to be subjugated. Nobody worthwhile, or even Jordan Peterson himself, wants you to agree with all his (or their) viewpoints. However, have the courage of your convictions, the decency to respect the perspectives of others, and the openness to change your views if you find them to be flawed.
Not easy to be honest in a nazi government. Which neo liberalism is. Putting ideas before facts is what nazis do. Or communism, really there is no difference between a nazi and a communist. And liberals corrupted the word liberal. They are pro punishment, pro-censorship. How is that liberal?
And that's why everyone with even an ounce of objectiveness and open-mindedness respect him and his work. Sadly, radfems and twitter/woke mobs don't fall in that category, and will be celebrating in the streets when he's gone.
I've always worked in a male dominant industry. I received promotions and hold a higher up position I was offered an even higher position and I turned it down as It meant I'd miss alot of time with my kids. Jordon points this very scenario out. A majority of women do the same thing. And that's OK. My mother was one of the first female executives in her field. She had to travel alot and she was OK with that. I don't know what world this woman lives in. Men typically take higher paying and more risky jobs. As Jordan has pointed out. How many female Brick layers do we see. How many females do we see down in the sewers. How many females do we see working hands on - on any physical outdoor infrastructure jobs. Most feminists are ridiculously dumb. Others understand the real reason for pay gaps yet thrive on being victims so they leave at the actual facts and reality.
From where i belong, India, such problems do exist but i can't imagine such problems to exist in America type countries atleast. Here even brick laying job women works coz had to feed their families. They even let their 8 year old kids help just to get those half breads for them. And many workplaces even ask sexual favours off women if wanna promote them. Entertainment industry is prime example of it. Not so sure how it's there but atleast in India the data that women are prejudiced not only in work ethics but even in social ethics is true. Only places where equality can be barely observed is metropolitan cities (ignoring the shady things happen there ofc), ofc there always exists small % of people who would take advantage of extra rights and attention given to them, but such small % is common in any form of social rights.
@@SoraToshiAki Unfortunately women in the western world have become spoiled and take everything granted. The leftest feminists, don't want to actually get their hands dirty. While women in India are doing what they need to do to help feed their families, the leftest feminists in the west who have more than they'll ever need look for reasons to pretend they are some sort of victim. Women and men in America have the exact same rights.
@@SoraToshiAki as a fellow indian i agree but again a job where there's no contract formed about job benifits(like labours, sewer cleaners, or free lancers) are bound to get unfair wage. And i don't think there's a wage gap in man and women brick layers(most people compare labours with bricklayers) . And i think even in India at least according to laws women have much larger privilages if you can call them that than men. Just remember that taxu driver and zomato man incident
Something that I really like about your video reactions as first the purity of the reaction, you don’t make unnecessary pauses. Other reactions pause the videos to make unnecessary, crude and onto thoughtful comments. For the most part, most of your comments are actually adding to the experience and building the arguments. Keep up the great reactions!
The difference is that men are slightly more caring when it comes to their girlfriends and giving them a great a source of income almost like their duty and responsibility but women are loving and caring and they can work as well as men regardless
Lets not forget the BritishGQ disaster following this.. where iirc, they even issued a statement that they had mal intentions with their (i wouldnt even call it an interview), more like interrogation of the worst bad faith. And Dr Peterson calmly put her down, as well.. the woman, i forget her name, i recall off the bat trying to group him with the alt right as her opener.. disgusting, vile, optics for the British GQ. & thank god for Dr Petersons gift of remaining calm in the face of someone essentially calling him a naz*.
I would just like to concur with this comment… The information that Jordan Peterson is putting forward is so helpful for our young men today, great to see this in circulation!
I was quite embarrassed for Kathy based on her apparent eagerness to jump onto almost anything Dr. Peterson said, and to reframe it (ala 'strawman') so as to paint him as meaning things he absolutely didn't mean. I found her dynamics predatory and opportunistic with an eye on malice and damage. I don't know anything about how she may have reformed herself since this interview but unless she has, I think it's fair to characterize her behavior as utterly despicable and malevolent.
Sad part is she was actually very mild compared to what the fake news msm in the US would have done to Jordan. Still had no idea what she was doing. Was definitely trying to push here own ideologies onto Jordan. This is what the media has become. The mouthpiece for leftwing/liberal parties around the world.
Exactly and malevolece and bitterness is the easiest way to make everyones life HELL! So....clean your room =P man i love this man, sure his speechpattern can seem funny sometimes (especially after one has seen as much stuff of him as i have 🤦♂️) but he is a international treasure
Kathy wasn't waiting for her turn to speak, she was arguing with a man who wasn't even there. She was arguing with the demon she already believed him to be. One last thing, he has one other book called Maps of Meaning. If you want something deeper and more challenging this is a great one, full of history our public schools intentionally alter or avoid.
It is on audible. I wouldn't have read it. Audible made it accessible. But MoM, 12 rules for life and 12 more rules for life are all basically the same book.
"Arguing with a man who wasn't even there" that's might be the handiest way I've ever heard the "strawman" concept put in to words. Thanks for that lol.
@@wbtittle LMAO I read that like it was a little kid saying that out loud: *Gives her son 3 JP books* "But Mom!? 12 rules and 12 more rules are basically the same book!
@@djjazzyjeff1232 I enjoyed all three books. I would never recommend his first book to anyone other than someone interested specifically in foundational discussions of meaning. I wouldn't recommend the 2nd 12 rules to anyone who wasn't completely enamored of the first book. Based on Cathy Newmans (and many other folks) lobster failure, there are a lot of folks challenged by reference frame changes. But you will find both books fully contained in the first book. The 2nd and 3rd books are just rearrangements from the first. At the core of it, I find my own dilemma. How to teach someone to tie a sheetbend. The short answer is Rinse, Lather, Repeat and then get them to rinse, lather and repeat. First step is MAKE THEM HOLD THE ROPE.
There was a really interesting discussion I remember hearing where JP talks about this interview after the fact. He was able to pinpoint the exact point in the interview when he realized this was never intended to be a fair and open discussion or debate. At that point he made a shift from trying to defensively answer accusations to actively going on offense having realized that it was a game to make him look bad right from the start. The patience with which he suppressed the desire to respond with anger is more than I could have managed. If history is written with any sense of honesty I believe he will be remembered as one of the great philosophical minds of an era. Sadly, partisan politics brings heavy blinders. At the end of the day he wants to help people and preserve freedom.
@@ProudAmerican1829 evidence that Jordan "what are we going to do without men 😭" Peterson isn't a 'great philosophical mind'? Haha.. you guys act like he's the only person to write a book. Bless your simple little hearts.
Dude, you are the sweetest. I didn't have sympathy for Cathy Newman when I saw this, but I also have a tendency to weigh in whatever I believe their intentions to be. You saw deeper than that to weigh in her human struggle, and that is compassion, bro. Thank you for showing me that. It's beautiful. 😊
18:15 "If it means equality of outcome then no." Here's my example. My husband is one of those driven people who's willing to fight and grind his way to the top. He loves it. I'm a homemaker. I love it. In order to get equality of outcome, forces would have to artificially stop him from climbing and would have to compel me out of my home. Both of us would be furious and miserable. He and I aren't getting the same outcome because those things aren't our individual goals.
@Bob as if a job is the only way to maintain an income stream.. "being a homemaker today is a luxury of being married to a rather succesfull man" is a flat out wrong statement. i am 26 years old and my parents arent rich by any means, if anything my familly's financial situation is on the lower end of the spectrum. 6 years ago i had no more than 5k to my name that i saved up myself from working.. now i have over 500k to my name by investing in cryptocurrencys and stocks which now generates me passive income to sustain myself. i no longer work a job. and i barely spended any time on being "good" at it. i simply bought certain assets and holded on to them still to this day whilst taking occasional profits from time to time. dont be a victim to circumstances, there are so many oppertunity's to be financially independend. you dont need to be a genius or lucky enough to marry a wealthy partner. even with 100$ you can make it big in a few years time. "they arranged society such that the kids most at risk have the least parental attention and oversight" that is on the parents themselves, not society nor the goverment. why would you even want to have kids if your financially strugglin in the first place? having a child will make things only that much more expensive to you. work on having a solid foundation first.
Or you both are still expected to do those things, but get a lump sum "equal" pay for your work. This might be nice for you, but I'd wager would effectively kill your husband's motivation to excel and try to improve things for himself and his family.
His "got you" moment is something he regrets. In other interviews he says he wishes he didn't say "got you". Unlike us, he's not trying to "one up" people......which is why I have great respect for how he does his interviews.
I disagree with that, though. She needed that moment to be put into her place. And it sort of loosened up the situation through humour simultaneously. I think it was a perfectly fine approach.
@@PresidentScrooge I agree with you 100%.....but this is why I admire Dr Peterson.....he reminds me that this isn't a "I'm trying to one up the other person" and trying to get her to understand that he isn't this "Nazi" they paint him out to be.....plus when you can admit how you could of handle things better without making the other person look bad....to me.....thats like Zen level type of stuff.
He actually went on record after this as saying he regretted saying "Ha! Gotcha!". He said it didn't represent how he likes to debate, but he was incredibly frustrated with the interview and KN's tactics and "snapped".
I mean, I'd been frustrated if seone kept putting words in mouth. "so you're saying" "so you think" "so you don't believe in equal pay" "you're saying that's fine"
That was nice he did that but I don’t hold him and fall for that at all all particularly because of the way he said it he did not say it in a mean spiteful way it was said in a joking way and it was the truth. But that just shows how he’s trying to better himself. I really like him I think he’s a good guy.
@Joe R Huh ? No bro, not mad at all. Just sad, sad to see lots of wimpy incel misogynist loving morons fawning over J.P. If you think that J.P. is something to aspire to then I'm sad and left to wonder if mommy didn't hug you enough. Might I add that I'm just blown away by your careful rebuttal of the facts as I present them... ah yes... you didn't because you can't.
I hear you, but I think she needed a person of keen intellect to come in and go toe to toe with her. Iron sharpens iron. I don't feel sorry for her in the least, she got to where she is by being a disagreeable person, just like Peterson eluded to in the interview.
@@ira233 She was paid to do that in the sense that her employer knows how she is, but she wasn't specifically paid to purposely misrepresent Jordan Peterson's positions. She would have been far more effective if she had genuine arguments to counter Peterson. The only way she could make Peterson appear wrong was to put words into his mouth that he didn't say. She did that on literally every response or question to him. That's all she had the ability to do. It was sad to watch.
This is without a doubt the best interview of the culture wars. Jordan was brilliant, but nobody has interviewed him as well as Cathy Newman. Like most in the mainstream media, Newman was not content to just impartially interview Jordan, but started to debate him as well. She wanted to debate an alt-right opinion leader, instead she faced a polite man with a complex understanding of the human condition.
i disagree, Helen Lewis from GQ was longer and more entertaining. she was a thoroughly detestable and pompous witch, and she got under Jordans skin which you can see. he talked about how nasty she was when he was on Rogan.
@@amandakallas8908 The comment isn’t calling him that. It’s saying that’s the person that she wanted to argue against (that’s how media portrays him a lot) but what she got was a calm and polite person
What I love most about this conversation, and why I think it became so viral, is because it takes all the inane arguments that happen online and forces them to deal with an person who's educated on the subject and able to react in real time. People resonate with this because anyone paying attention can see that this is how 90+% of these conversations go online. Person A puts forth an argument, person B twists what they said and declares them to be a sexist/racist/transphobe/nazi/etc and then the entire dialogue breaks down into no-I'm-not-yes-you-are. It's been happening for fucking years, especially since the public discourse stage moved to social media. To have a person who can immediately respond in person and break down exactly what his point actually is just does so much to expose the absurdity of the whole thing.
that's kind of jordan's fault though, by making heavy implications without being willing to put the implications into their own words, because they are controversial or shitty takes
The whole problem with this interview is that it really isn't an interview. Cathy is not really doing an interview as a journalist, but is taking on the role of an activist at a debate.
That is the case with the GQ video interview and then the first print interview he did with the Sunday Times. None of these women realized what a brilliant opportunity they were given to perhaps make history interviewing one of the greatest minds of our times. Instead they fashioned hit pieces and should have been moved back to the entertainment division covering the Karfasions.
I constantly watch this interview the way others listen to a favorite song. Rarely in life have I witnessed a scene played out so perfectly that you swear it was scripted. This was the perfect example of *right* calmly and fearlessly facing down *wrong*. The sad thing is that I don't think Kathy learned a thing from talking to one of the smartest minds on the planet, and that says volumes for what we as intelligent and caring people will no doubt be facing from here on in. I enjoyed your reactions, Alex...
@@AuraysTimelessChannel Good point. Clearly her goal was to ruin the man's reputation and career. Can you imagine having a public conversation with a person with such a destructive goal, while still exerting the discipline to stay calm? Jordan is to be commended...
Yep that’s what they are trying to do. They want to silence ppl who do not share the same ideologies as them. So yes she was trying to take him down. But if she did they would have gave her the win. So yes she was going for the so called win. But she got crushed!
This exchange and interview is from a time before Jordan got seriously sick which, thank God, he’s recovered from. He is the most respected and loved professor on the planet.
He absolutely destroyed her and kept his cool the entire time like he usually does. She clearly listened to respond not to understand. And my three are patients, honesty, intelligence.
The ability to have a logical debate is a dying art and skill and Jordan Peterson is one of the few people that is like a Jedi master when it comes to have a logical and well structured conversation. Most people can't without getting emotionally involved and getting "triggered" over opposing views and opinions. I applaud JP for being so great at making sense of the madness we're surrounded by.
You should check his videos with Joe Rogan. He expressed how at first he was discussing, started to get irritated, then his psychologist mind kicked in and he started therapizing. To have those skills should be a class for all men.
Funny thing with the "pink tax" such as blue vs pink products, there is actually a direct production cost difference, in addition to all the other marketing reasons. Blue dye bonds with cheaper plastics better than pink dye, so to make a product pink requires a higher quality and therefore more expensive plastic, so there is obviously a difference in production costs, which then gets amplified through the other variables before they make it to the shelf
Exactly, one of many actual factors that tend to make female products more expensive. But it all comes down to choice, there are cheaper products and nobody is forcing you to anything.
The cost difference is due to basic economics. If Pink was the number one colour choice then it would be cheaper than black. She's assuming all women want Pink helmets in a 50/50 split with all men wanting black, which is clearly not the case. The majority of women will also choose a black helmet. It will only be a minority of women who want Pink helmets or any pink product in the first place, so lesser products made, so a higher cost. It's just economics as I said
Imagine asking a neurosurgeon what gives them the right to tell others how the human brain works. People have tried to defend this interview by saying that Cathy was given her marching orders by higher ups and this was just what they wanted, but if that's the case then she really ought to ask for a raise. That interview has destroyed any integrity and professional standard people thought she had. Good gods. It's infuriating to watch Jordan Peterson carefully outline a thought just for Cathy to latch onto the first 4 words and use them as a springboard to accuse him of saying something entirely different. She should excise the words "So you're saying" from her vocabulary.
Yep she definitely went rogue. She was losing convo at every turn. So she would switch subject and go rogue. This lady does think she can do no wrong. Yes she believes she is levitating above the rest of us. Yea he’s my favorite comedian.
I love JP so much! So many people that interview him love to try to trip him up and it never works. He is just too damn intelligent to allow that to happen. I would love to have JP be my counselor. He would knock the crap out of my depression/anxiety 😁
You AAAAARRRREEEE my reaaactiiion!! I was toootally YOU yelling into the air & at God about how confusing and frustrating Cathy was!! You're Amazing!!! Keep being you!!!! Oh! 3 steps to success: 1. Accept failure as being a part (structurally)of success. 2.Agreeability in so much as you are striving(fighting) for peace. 3. Be personally accountable & responsible & truthful always
It is interesting, having rewatched this interview many times, how many times Cathy conflates an individual woman's ability to strive for success with the nebulus average of all womens' success. It's like arguing that an individual person can't have higher than average intelligence, because the average exists. As a woman, if I decide to sacrifice other aspects of my life, to make it to the top, why on earth would I care about the success of the 'average woman' happens to be?!
I would guess that it must be frustrating for those women whom sacrifice and play the game like most men do to have other women just come up and say give us what they earned because we are women. Strip away gender and just compare everything else, we will see all is fair in terms of meritocry.
Exactly Vanessa. There are no female, Michelangelo, Rembrandt or Da Vinci... no female, Beethoven, Mozart or Tchaikovsky's. All I see is women claim it's because of 'Patriarchy' I would say it's because men are more 'singleminded'... driven if you like. Doesn't make them more intellectual or for that matter talented.. just determined, at all costs. Many of the males that are seen today as luminairies died pennyless and destitute. The greatest artist or musician ever to live may well have been female, we will never know.
Socialism at its finest... "I shouldn't have to work hard to get paid the same as the person who works overtime every day and is highly conscientious to my lazyness". Thus "equality of outcome" (equal pay "just because") rather than "equality of opportunity" (anyone who works hard can get ahead).
Man have to sacrifice a lot to get to the top too. The guys who are good at interacting with other people and have no trouble meeting woman (or man) or somehow get a job where they don’t need to work long hrs prefer to work less and enjoy their lives. I have some friends like that. But those guys who are deemed “ugly, uncool, weird” eventually realize there’s nothing else for them in the world besides their computer, videogames or work. And then they study a lot, work a lot, make money, start getting nice things. Then for the first time they feel important, wanted, special. Then they keep working more and more hrs until they can barely enjoy any of the nice things they got, even their spouses and children. That’s why you see so many high level male CEO’s and fewer females. Woman are smart and realize they don’t need that and it’s not worthy the stress, aggravation, the toll on their body and mind. Smart guys realize that too an enjoy and live their youth instead of slaving away just looking for more money and success. And I say that looking back at my life with some sadness. I wasted my 20’s studying and working. At one point I was working close to 120hrs a week. I got a masters and Dr. degrees, Owned my business and 4 houses by the time I was 30 and still single. At that point I married my beautiful wife and still wanted to work 15 hrs days. We fought a lot because of that until I reduced to 10 hrs a day or so, and that made me depressed and I had a nervous breakdown. I didn’t know how to do anything else but work. I didn’t enjoy time off with my family because I was always thinking about how much money I could be making instead. It took the housing crisis of 2008 when I lost a lot of money and things to realize how little those things mattered. My wife stuck with me even when she started making more money than me. I felt ruined and humiliated because I saw my worth as my job and possessions. Today I’m older and have slowed down, I’m enjoying my teen kids before they leave home. So I can say for experience that I don’t envy any ceo that has to work 100+ hrs every week in a high stress job. I know the toll that takes. Women see it’s not worthy.. And that’s where the pay gap comes from. High paying crappy jobs that only guys are stupid enough to take..
This is precisely why I cannot handle relationships, I speak just like Jordan Peterson, only without the smart/big words... My exs always sound like this woman here... It's soooo tiring. How does he remain so calm dealing with these interactions so often......
I like watching you realize how good JP is at arguing without slipping. He chooses his words carefully. He knows when you are trying to trick him. He knows when you are seeking to distort what he says. You can't mash him, he is the potato masher. This is why so many people do not like him. Because they don't like to see someone they know could dismantle them and all their hero's in an argument. That's been the funny thing about the outrage over JP, if you actually listen to what he says, he is never demeaning or intending to demoralize or hurt people, he explains his observations of the world in a eloquent way and often what he says is actually very considerate of people and you can tell he is intentionally doing that. The woke warriors literally are incapable of comprehending him, hence they try to cancel him. There is so much more to be said but I think my point has been made.
I am going through th JP-Shapiro phase. I am neither right nor left, but God have all these vids opened my eyes to so many things I didn't think about. I have always had this fear to listen to what I disagree with just because I was afraid I'd lose whatever opinions I had because I couldn't defend them against the arguments. But nothing made me more open minded and tolerant like emersing in different opinions.
These guys have the power to open our mind in a way that people with normal education can't. Listening to them is a true candy for the mind and helps us to make ourselves an opinion on those different issues in society.
@@rsbreth good thinkers would exclude Shapiro. He is as good as the kids he destroys. Stick to Peterson and evaluate his words, don't take them as gospel.
I really enjoyed watching you watch the interview. Cathy is extremely frustrating and I'm always learning new strategies from JBP on how to endure such conversations and present compelling arguments without loosing composure
That "gotcha" moment was the most crushing riposte since Woody Allen pulled Marshall McLuhan out of the line at the theater to validate his slap down of the pretentious professor in "Annie Hall".
@Alex Lawson He's anti-science. While he's great as a speaker/debater when it comes to psychology, he doesn't understand science. Far too many worship him and believe everything he says is truth. Nearly everything needs to be fact checked these days but the majority of people don't do this and end up believing BS or spread misinformation.
I remember watching this the day it was first on youtube and being amazed with her lack of understanding. The idea that we can "change the rules" to make it easier for women to "succeed" by selecting on more feminine traits is a fundamental misapprehension of what is happening. It's not that male traits were set up as the criteria for success by a committee. It's that in the careers where men dominate typically male traits are beneficial to competently performing the job, and the same is true for feminine traits in the careers women dominate. That's why even within the medical field where women dominate broadly you can break it out into the sub-fields that see patients (children in particular) and find women dominate these areas even more, but in other areas where less patient interaction is expected (e.g. surgeons) men gain ground or become dominate again. And the reasons are obvious, in the patient focused areas agreeableness becomes a massive asset. But in a surgeon with a disagreeable personality any time the OR isn't configured perfectly they are more apt to raise hell and make sure it is done right every single time going forward. Being disagreeable and conscientious makes them fantastic advocates for their patients and relentless in their attention to the sorts of details that routinely save lives. Conversely a lack of agreeableness in a patient centered practice can manifest as a rather unpleasant bedside manner. And if you're not aware bedside manner is regarded as a critically important aspect of physician-patient relationships in establishing trust to quickly and reliably get the correct information needed to diagnose and treat the patient all while reducing stress on patients by putting them at ease. Regardless, even the above is only a superficial look at how these traits can benefit/detract from success, but it is in these ways that the traits are determining success of people in their fields. There is no cabal determining which traits are good and which are bad, it's just the reality of *what the job requires* . So asking to change it is like asking why we don't use square tires on our cars, the answer is because round tires simply do the job to a superior standard and we all, both sexes, benefit when jobs are done to a higher standard.
Man, I love the fact that you react to these videos from an argumentative standpoint. It is a rare and refreshing sighting and even helps me realize the techniques being used in each situation and how to apply them (or not) when I need. Please keep on doing those.
Just found your channel the other day. You are one of THE most enthusiastic entertaining and seemingly Genuine content creaters I have come across thus far. Thank you.
so your saying its the same number as half of 70 which is the same number as the dollar difference in the gender pay gap? what a bigot. how dare you say that
Mr Alex, I gotta say that I've absolutely loved watching you react and comment to Jordan Peterson's interviews. I am so impressed with how down-to-earth and open-minded you are. You've become one of my favorite react channels. Keep on rockin' 🤘🤘
17:26 Yes, when he described that kind of man it immediately reminded me of my Grandpa and great Grandpa. They were insanely hard workers who were described by everyone who talks about them as being the most energetic men who were always doing *something* . Whether it was fun or work they put everything they had into it and then some. For example my Grandpa was an engineer who split off from his job decades ago and hired many of his former coworkers to work for him. But a year into his new business he was struggling financially in a way that could put it under, and the only way to save it was convince a group of officials from the bank to back up his company. My family was incredibly stressed, and one of my Uncles who worked for him noticed the day of the meeting that Grandpa was smiling and as energetic as ever despite all of the stress and exhaustion this was putting them under. So my Uncle asked him how he was still so optimistic despite this being the difference between bankrupting or saving the buisness? Grandpa just smiled and said "Being sad or upset ain't gonna fix it, all we can do is give it our best shot. And if we go down at least we go down knowing we gave it our all. Keep your chin up! And he proceeded to go to that meeting that the bank officials already had plans to put him under, and layed down a plan on how to repay the bank and managed to convince them all that his company would be worth the investment and saved the whole business. Despite him passing away 5 years ago, he's still a shining example to me what hard work, ingenuity, and relentless hope can do to a man. I wish I could've talked to him now now I'm older and can even begin to understand what the weight of his position truly brought.
So awesome to see Peterson get more coverage. I’ve been watching his videos for what feels like 10 years and it’s been hard for me to get people to watch and understand how brilliant he is. He speaks how I think, it’s like my brain is DOS and he’s Windows and articulates the way I think. Super smart dude and everyone could benefit from studying his videos and books. Thanks for sharing, brother.
In a later interview discussing the aftermath of this one JP said something along the line “Kathy couldn’t listen to what I was saying because she was behaving as an avatar of an ideology or many” in other words behaving in this manor strips the individual out of the conversation because she’s there as a representative of an ideology/s. She’s putting the group identity at the forefront of what she maybe thinking below that which is the real Kathy Newman. To some degree she’s ideologically processed and it’s obsurdity is playing itself out in real-time in this example.
She came to this interview with a quiver of arrows that she was determined to shoot, and confident that she would smote JP. As each and every one of her arrows missed their target, she only once stopped to considered why. Instead of wondering why her aim wasn't working, or even if JP deserved to be smote, all she seemed to want was more arrows. If she was intellectually honest, she would see in her own experience that the job she holds was achieved at the exclusion of many men and women who thought that they deserved, or had earned, the position she holds. What would she say to them if they came to her and said it wasn't fair that it was her in front of those cameras instead of them. She'd say it was because she was smarter, more conscientious, and more assertive they were, and to go f*ck off.
Here come the "Alex is a sexist" comments. My guy, you knocked out out of the park with this reaction. Everything you said was spot on, and I could swear at some points you were reading my mind. Keep up the good work, hopefully this video can change some minds and open people's eyes to see that this is not the way you have a legitimate and productive discussion. She had no respect for Jordan, and even though he got her, she refused to open her mind to the possibility that she may not be educated enough on the subject, and realize that maybe she needs to do more homework.
This is freaking awesome content! She’s not going to out talk him- she’s going to find out that it’s a lot easier to get on than it is to get off! She’s on the defensive- she’s giving emotional responses- and that simply isn’t logical. She’s completely being outboxed and out classed. She’s phishing for something to use in her argument but she will find nothing but a doughnut- 0 It’s not about Belief- it’s about equal outcomes are not always going to happen
@Alex Lawson I am speaking from the perspective of an American watching news presenters in America. It's brutal here on MSM channels. It's really a wonder anyone gets a word in edgewise. In fact often shouting over each other is the de rigueur of the day here. So for me this woman was competent and polite. Yes, I know you're probably surprised.
@Alex Lawson If I understand Sonia's point correctly, she is pointing out (accurately) that most interviewers in the MSM use the tactic of asking a question and then shouting out the next question three words into the reply, or shouting out their own opinion over the words of the person they are suppose to be interviewing.
If something I do or say provokes anyone, that's on them, not me. Like Jordan, I'm not generally provocative by nature. An example would be in my work life I've had many people ask me to slow my pace because I'm making them look bad. After this happened a couple times, I came up with a response of "No. YOU are making you look bad!" Anyway, thanks for bringing Jordan to us.
Jordan Peterson has a recommended book list on his website. I've yet to try a book from that list that didnt blow my mind. You should read his books as well, his maps of meaning...which was his textbook for his harvard class. It's a really hard book, but extremely profound and his lectures on it are on TH-cam.
Seems some on the left bellieve they do have the right not to be offended. Isn't this in part the reason behind the protests against conservatives being allowed to speak at colleges.
I dont know why but when you listen to the part "all these hurdles in their way...." when your face all of a sudden flipped to you having a confused expression, i about pissed myself 😂 just how sudden that face changed and it zoomed too? Lawd 😂😂😂😂
6:15 oh just you wait The reason this video has been viewed millions of times is seeing how he easily sidesteps every verbal trap she sets and never Ever loses his cool - it’s like magic.
I’m loving watching you react and throw some of your own thoughts in here and there. It’s refreshing to see open minded people just listen to what JP is actually saying. If people genuinely just listened rather than projecting what they think he is saying, I don’t think he would be viewed as such a polarising character. I get why Shapiro is polarising- he is often very insensitive in the way he speaks, and what he says is hurtful- his whole catchphrase is ‘facts don’t care about your feelings’ after all. But JP is so calm and collected, intelligent and his words have legitimacy as he is a clinical psychologist. He doesn’t deserve all the hate he gets.
I have watched the full video multiple times, but watching it again here I still found so much more to the discussion. 😄 Plus it was fun watching with you Alex 🙌
That was so eye opening. He can convey thoughts and ideas that I always get wrong. How can you have a conversation like that and not let it dissolve into a huge fight. I would give anything to get the chance to have him pick my brain and teach me how to communicate effectively.
One thing that I've picked up from him is that he may be contrary if the conversation calls for it, but he's not contrarian. He is quick to agree with everything Kathy says that is right, diffusing her irrational indignation instead of feeding it. He also highlights in the interview that he has taught himself to speak very carefully. It's easy to say more than you mean in the heat of the moment. Peterson is quick-witted, but he still takes the time -- even when in front of an audience -- to make sure he's saying what he means in precise and simple terms. I struggle with this one, since I tend to over-explain and my ADHD brain tends to overcomplicate things, but Peterson is great at keeping his arguments clean and direct.
Notice his exceptional body posture-with purpose. Extremely powerful and methodical in nature. From steepling fingers (authority), the occasional smiles (irony or sincere), tilt head (listening/concentration), leg positioning (confident/approachable). I wouldn’t expect anything less from JP.
Dr. Peterson: "Good Morning."
Hostess: "So you're saying afternoon is evil."
You nailed it!
🤣🤣🤣
Beautifully summed up.. esp with the PFP.. chefs kiss 💋
Lmfao!!
So you're saying mornings are good because women are staying at home and not interfering with the business world?!
She got hammered on twitter for this. Everything she said people would say “so you’re saying” and twist it. Like, “good morning”, “so you’re saying the evening is bad?”
the worst part of this is she never acknowledged she was in the wrong or did her job poorly.
@@thomasmann4536 just shows how "biased" a 'substancial minority' can not be changed, because they are so deeply caught up with it... Just one of the crazy harpy sisters.
You meet a lot of women like this today in your life. :)
@@thomasmann4536 She did her job exactly as she was paid and expected to do. That the opinions put forth by her are indefensible isn't something she can control.
as far as modern feminists go shes is very milk toast and agreeable compared to most, must be her brittish side
@@GodwynDi agreed, she has to take the company line and Ch4 news has a reputation for provocative often fairly aggressive interviewing style.... but her reactions afterwards are totally within her control and on that front she did fail miserably.
Three things
1. Motivation
2. Controlled assertiveness
3. Being observant
The fact that Dr. Peterson is "polarizing" absolutely blows my mind. What exactly is polarizing? I just don't understand - never in my 32 years have I encountered a man so genuinely curious about the human condition as well as individual people themselves and who genuinely wants everyone to be the best version of themselves. It baffles me that anyone could say a hateful word against this man.
He is only considered polarizing by people who live in a state of polarization by default. In this case it's left wing extremists. Any extremist will naturally oppose anyone who is not as extreme as they are, not even bothering to listen to the man.
he's obviously well educated and you're spot on about the human condition part. however, he only became popular after an extreme anti-trans take that transphobes absolutely lapped up and put him on that pedastel. so no matter if part of him is clearly good quality, the grift he's got going now keeping that right-wing/transphobic audience has really put any quality aside
Theseannie just another idiot who won't listen JP's argument has never been with the trans community but with an authoritarian left wing government arrogant enough to implement compelled speech law. The exact kind of laws used by totalitarian regimes throughout history but never implemented in a free country the exact kind of law George Orwell warned off justifying their dangerous overreach by claiming to be helping vulnerable trans people just as the communists claimed all their draconian laws were to protect "the people" or the "workers".
@@theseanie9958 you do understand the whole "right wing" thing is just code for "things I don't like" right? I'm fine with however you think you are, but you still have biology and when you go to a doctor s/he has to treat you based on biology, not what you think. There are trends among men and women. eg . Women have endurance for making sure she can run longer with the kiddos. Men have a speed burst to chase off predators. and it does not matter how much testosterone you drain. I don't recommend that for any biological man because it can cause depression especially as you get older.
@@theseanie9958 The "extreme anti-trans" take you're talking about is literally refusing to cede the right to choose words for himself to the Canadian government. Compelled speech is the antithesis to freedom, so of course an educated person would be against it.
I find it pretty funny that you agree with the "human condition part" and then in the very next sentence fall prey to it immediately. Do 10 minutes of looking into Dr. Peterson and you'd see he's not grifting anyone.
It makes me happy that even though the Cathy Newman interview is from years ago, new audiences are still getting to see and hear it for the first time. It gives me hope.
You should watch his videos on Disney movies 🤯🤯
Another interview of importance for myself is ..maher/harris/affleck.
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
@@guybrushthreepwood9024 I love love love your screen name. Makes me want to jump off a cliff and land on a rubber tree.
@@marcwilliams4246 what he did ?
He never argued, he just clarified. What a nice way of winning a battle without even put out a fight.
Backstory about this interview. Peterson didn’t know what he was walking into. He said on the JRE that before the cameras turned on that she was very pleasant and nice to talk to. After they started rolling he immediately noticed a shift in her behavior. The news channel also aired the interview thinking they “got him” but the overwhelming response from viewers was in favor of Jordan. I believe for months after this dropped, thousands of people would respond “so what you’re saying is…” whenever Cathy would tweet something 😂. Solid reaction and props on picking up where the interview was going early on.
Appreciate the information. JP is an unsurpassed orator and debater. His logic and presentation of facts can not be disputed. It is how our society should operate; our relationships would be happier and longer-lasting. This woman is hearing but not listening.
Yeah, like he said to Joe it took him by surprise at first because she went from very pleasant to being on the offensive - but he'd been through enough attacks by that point in his life he just immediately changed gears and became very conscious of his words..
I also think she underestimated JP buying into media bs and propaganda she bit off more than she could chew
Yeah, imagine that, a woman (who the eff does she think she is, doesn't she know her place) daring to ask questions and getting him to actually defend his stance. It's something that reporters are supposed to do and they actually do that in the 'socialist' hellholes, unlike in the brave USA where you better not dare ask actual questions to get to the core of it all. You guys never heard of being advocate of the devil.
Fuck, how many of all the fan boys on here have ever actually kissed a girl? How many of you have lots of long guns, not to make up for other things, of course.
The only one I saw who's feathers got ruffled is your master debater JP. The only one that got clearly uncomfortable and annoyed was your 'alpha male'.
Is he intelligent, sure. Is he smart. Nope. Does he know his field, sure. But for the rest he is just a jackoff with a christian persecution complex and a deep seated misogynistic view. Proof for that is easily found, but his fan base will utterly ignore it.
@@PDVism Simp harder
We tell our sons to respect women
We tell our daughters how they should expect to be treated
But nobody teaches their daughters how to treat/respect men
that’s deep.
I would say having a good strong father figure teaches daughters how to treat and respect men. I’m incredibly lucky to have had such a great dad. Great man.
That's true, when women aren't promoting and encouraging man to be responsible, conscientious and tough by actively have relationship with man with that quality (befriend, dating or marrying them), that makes as if those behaviors aren't quality they sought, which also affecting the rise of immoral and cruel man with bad behaviors.
@DannyGirl I see what you're saying, but not treating your husband like a child is respecting them, haha
She completely was impressed by him by the end. And it started to go that way right after he complimented her about her being un agreeable as a trait that makes her a successful person. It shocked her and made her feel validated that he didn’t consider her a weak women but a strong person.
Yes she definitely got a little flustered there. She is definitely a strong woman and a lot of her interviews are good. I think in this one she had too much personal investement and Jordans calm dismantlement of her heartfelt "Truths" was just too much for her.
On a more serious note I believe that this particular interview will be studied in debate classes for generations to come. It was such a perfect example of repeated bias.
No, I bet she had amazing grades in debate class, otherwise she would never get such an important job. Besides being a woman and a preferential hire for the company to appeal more to feminists.
Debate class is far removed from reality. In a school setting that is heavily soaked in politics and whatever biases your teacher has.
All this new age bullshit idealism COMES FROM UNIVERSITIES.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 nah she’s terrible when she comes to a level header person who doesn’t fall for her tactics
If you go back and follow the aftermath of that interview, Kathy Newman got persecuted! Jordan had to step in and compassionately plead with people to leave her alone.
@@lesleyclaster6878 she was constantly trying to put words in his mouth, twist the words he was saying and trying to get him to say something that agrees with her cause the moment she did the interview would be over and that would be the only clip shown. Her owning him and him agreeing with her.
She came into it with an agenda and already made a decision on who JP is. She’s was badly mistaken and was unable/unwilling to change tact during the interview.
This interview was a Chess match. One in which JP decides NOT to attack But To eradicate Each of her attacks one by one until she is left with just her king, and he still has all of his pieces. * also know as TOTAL VICTORY
No… he was playing chess, she was playing checkers(badly)
Intellectually he had all queens and she had all pawns
@@j-dubz2349 I think kathy is the type of person when they start to lose in chess they not only strike the pieces away but stand up and shit all over the board just to make the opponent and all the audience uncomfortable
"Then we're no longer playing chess".
As a 68 year old father of an adult son and daughter, I can see the tears well up in their eyes when I tell them that I’m proud of them. Those are words that I never heard. I realize how important it is for me to say it to them.
Please keep it up
My Dad never said that to me either. I have no kids.
that means you starved them of it. shit parenting
I read somewhere that the greatest thing a father can say to their son isn’t I love you, it’s I’m proud of you
"So that's what you're saying... is that how this is gonna go?"
Yes. Yes, Alex. He nailed it like 3 minutes in lmfao.
Lol I was starting to notice a theme there lol.
Came here to say this exact thing.
Alex is sharp af
I was impressed too.
I laughed at that moment, knowing, "you ain't seen nothing yet!" I figure Alex was probably a competent law student during school, so Kathy's interview "style" would likely be exasperating for anyone with an ounce of logic, reason, and debate skill.
My favourite thing about this guy is how he can win an argument without even really arguing back. He just lays out the facts for how they are and it infuriates people
Yup, because our society has become so fake and idealistic, that people hate the reality and facts!
@@Furykidxxx they're not used to stress especially in debates
Truth is like a lion, you don't have to defend it, let it loose, it will defend itself. Augustine of Hippo.
@@AjenjoAnejo YES! Oh my gosh, I am geeking-out over that quote. THANK YOU for bringing that into my life! No joke, the highlight of my day.
Truth is very inconvenient to the emotionally charged argument, almost always. Because logic and truth require a certain amount of responsibility, but emotionally charged arguments are often seeking blaim as a resolution, NOT responsibility 😉 if you're already taking responsibility for yourself, the "Lion of truth and logic" will be on YOUR side. And the "Gazelle of emotion" is often defenseless and vulnerable. Vulnerability causes fear, and fear leads to things like anger, blaim, and obviously...weak arguments.
“Nice talking to you.” Was the only lie JP told the whole time.
Being polite. White lie at most
Well, I've got to say, I'm a Canadian woman and was raised in the same area of Alberta that Jordan Peterson was. I'm a couple of years older. He is an amazing orator and has a mind that few can challenge, to be sure. Everyone regardless of gender can benefit from listening to him. He often is right on the money. Sadly, most feminists can't stand him because he points out the flaws in what they're pushing and makes them see the truth with facts. Feminists and most liberal-minded people don't like facts any longer, they prefer emotion over critical thinking.
They only like facts when convoent
I agree completely. The biggest lie they tell is that they are liberals. They are not. They are leftists. They just did not notice the change when it happened.
most people were turned against him right away when he became famous for a super transphobic take
@@theseanie9958 he said and did NOTHING "transphobic" he was oppossd to compelled speech as anyone with 2 brain cells could tell you
@@theseanie9958 It wasn't a transphobic issue. It was the issue of forced speech. The subject could have been "words you must use to describe pickles" and he still would have objected. Making laws where the state tells you to say their words or they put you in jail goes against huge foundational issues in law going back to English common law. The MSM painting it as transphobic is just part of their usual disinformation campaign. It's really stupid too. He has had plenty of clients and social contacts who are trans. He has good communications with them. It's when the state gets involved when the line is crossed.
We are not to be the state's puppets saying their words. If they keep pushing that kind of garbage, then it will come down to shooting. Just watch, they'll probably back off just before that point, which is the telltale sign of a bully.
Do you believe that garbage? Have you been programmed by their lies?
New drinking game: take a shot every time Cathy says "so you're saying" or "well you were saying". *dies in 5 minutes*
So you're saying I need another drink?
@@CrypticAlley maybe another 12 pack... or five...
@@grittman77 thank you for the alcohol poisoning
@@bryanfeliciano4102 you're welcome 😁
That is suicide, no thx
I just love 31:10 when his expression turns drop dead serious, and says “in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive”
It’s the point in the interview where you can tell he had enough and things will get downhill fast 😅
He's a far more patient and tolerant man than I.
My favorite part of any JP interview is when they seem to forget what his profession is and he just deadpan says "im a clinical psychologist" it happens at least once per interview and its hilarious to me.
Or when he says it’s not my opinion.
or the part he just smiled and said "HA! gotcha" xD
My favorite part is in that radio interview one, which also has video on youtube, and at one point the camera switches to an angle where you can see JP discuss at his usual high level and high precision with a similarly incompetent host as Cathy, while he's also literally doodling the typical "i'm bored" doodles.
@@MidnightSt Yeah, the problem with ideologs is that when you had a debate with one, you had a debate with all. He already knows everything they're going to say in and out and backwards - no wonder he's bored.
@@rauminen4167 the thing is though that he still listens and and answers them without aggression. He gives respect to the people that question him while the people who vilify him don't even bother to listen to his points
When I was in high school there was a piranha tank in our biology class. I am not entirely positive this was legal but it was a private school. When the piranha were young whenever the teacher would drop a goldfish in the tank to feed them it would get devoured immediately. However, as they matured the piranha wouldn't necessarily eat the goldfish right away. It was as if they recognized the situation. The goldfish wasn't going anywhere, wasn't a threat and they could eat when they decided to eat. It is a funny thing how the goldfish would respond to this situation. You might think that it would try to remain as far from the piranha as possible but in fact it would instead attempt to assert dominance swimming up to the piranha and bumping them. The piranha would largely ignore this and in their good time converge and begin taking chunks out of the goldfish.
This is what this interview was like except I think Cathy Newman honestly thought that she was the piranha.
Excellent analogy, thanks...
bro.. i might use this story, very nice
I MUST remember this analogy
I absolutely love this Tristram. Thanks for writing.
Amazing analogy
Definitely read his books. He's astonishing.
The really interesting part of this discussion is that he clicks from interviewee to clinician after 3-4 minutes. He picked up on her hostility and then demolished her preconceptions.
Absolutely phenomenal man.
I had been following his work for years already when that interview took place.
I watched it when it was released, and man, that “Gotcha” moment, even years later, still puts a huge smile on my face.
Never gets old.
That moment is gold haha. Really shows she just wants to argue and has no intent for a discussion and learning.
The exact opposite of JP
Same, I remember watching it the day it came out and I shouted out loud when he got to that part. I bet Cathy is still treating that burn to this day.
You know he actually regrets saying hah gotcha instead of using that moment where she dropped her Anima possession to guide her instead of doing that and putting her right back into her trance.
@@dartagnanhenry4492 sounds like something dr. Peterson would say haha. He's a kind dude
@@dartagnanhenry4492 yeah I’ve heard him analyze the interview afterwards, very interesting. Does not take anything from the wholesomeness of the moment to me though ahah
That gentleman is something else.
Not that I agree with everything he says, but if more people behaved and thought like him, or at least followed some of his personal development advice, the world would’probably be a much better placer in my humble opinion!
"Equality of outcome" is the antithesis of "Equal Opportunity". Equality of outcome can ONLY happen at the expense of not having Equal opportunity.
I don't remember who said this, but the quote was, "You can have freedom, or you can have equality".
And it isn't a man vs woman, or a race vs race thing. If given the freedom to do whatever they want to do, some people will automatically be on top and as a consequence of that, some of us will be at the bottom.
The only way to achieve true equality is by forcing those on top to not be on top, or forcefully pushing up those aren't on top. Either way, it comes at the cost of someone's personal freedom.
Neither of them sound like perfect system. But, I'd be leaning on the side of personal freedom for all, over forcing anyone in to _(or out of)_ something that they do _(or don't)_ want to do.
That statement is so simplified that it's dangerous: Look online for the illustration of the three kids on boxes watching a baseball game (or whatever sport). Three kids, each different heights. One is tall enough to see over the fence unassisted. The middle kid needs only one box to stand on in order to see the game. The third, shortest kid needs two boxes to stand on in order to see over the fence. Equal opportunity as you're using it would give them each a single box. Equal outcome gives no boxes to the tallest (he doesn't need one), one box to the middle kid, and two to the shortest kid. The tricky thing is the wording: by providing "equality of outcome" --- i.e. equity (as opposed to equality) --- all children have the "equal opportunity" to view the game... it's a tougher nut to crack than you might think
@@Ph4n_t0m Equality of outcome would chop the legs off of the tall one, chop the legs at the knees of the middle one and give them all two boxes.
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Historically, Equality of Outcome doesn't involve boxes at all. It's achieved by cutting off the legs of the tall an medium kid so that none of them can watch the game.
@Tactless86 exactly. Every historical instance of trying "equality of outcome" has ended up the same - a few people ruling over a large number of people who have all been made "equal" - equally poor that is.
More people in history have been raised out of poverty by giving them the opportunity to work hard to get ahead. No, it's not a guarantee, but it's the method that provides the most freedom and hope for individuals.
She is the classic example of this social media generation. Doesn’t matter how sound an argument is and made. What matters and what she is relying on, is you hearing what was said last due to a short attention span. “So what you are saying is”…….
I am not a 'Jordan Peterson fan." And from the impressions I'd received about him, I fully expected to dislike his perspectives and arguments. But i quickly realized that his immaculate arguments are something of a lost art, and the respect he shows for everyone he argues with, even, and maybe especially those who appear to hate or be angered by him, is a treasured commodity. Our inability to have calm and objective discussions as a society is truly tearing us apart. And for those who feel that the rich and greedy are ruining our lives, it is this terrible polarity of politics and social discourse that is allowing us to be subjugated. Nobody worthwhile, or even Jordan Peterson himself, wants you to agree with all his (or their) viewpoints. However, have the courage of your convictions, the decency to respect the perspectives of others, and the openness to change your views if you find them to be flawed.
Not easy to be honest in a nazi government. Which neo liberalism is. Putting ideas before facts is what nazis do. Or communism, really there is no difference between a nazi and a communist. And liberals corrupted the word liberal. They are pro punishment, pro-censorship. How is that liberal?
And that's why everyone with even an ounce of objectiveness and open-mindedness respect him and his work. Sadly, radfems and twitter/woke mobs don't fall in that category, and will be celebrating in the streets when he's gone.
@@kumbandit bruh
So what you're saying is...you're now a fan 😋
I've always worked in a male dominant industry. I received promotions and hold a higher up position
I was offered an even higher position and I turned it down as It meant I'd miss alot of time with my kids. Jordon points this very scenario out. A majority of women do the same thing. And that's OK.
My mother was one of the first female executives in her field. She had to travel alot and she was OK with that.
I don't know what world this woman lives in.
Men typically take higher paying and more risky jobs. As Jordan has pointed out. How many female Brick layers do we see. How many females do we see
down in the sewers.
How many females do we see working hands on - on any physical outdoor
infrastructure jobs.
Most feminists are ridiculously dumb. Others understand the real reason for pay gaps yet thrive on being victims so they leave at the actual facts and reality.
Agree 10000%
Are ya'll married??? Lol
From where i belong, India, such problems do exist but i can't imagine such problems to exist in America type countries atleast. Here even brick laying job women works coz had to feed their families. They even let their 8 year old kids help just to get those half breads for them. And many workplaces even ask sexual favours off women if wanna promote them. Entertainment industry is prime example of it. Not so sure how it's there but atleast in India the data that women are prejudiced not only in work ethics but even in social ethics is true. Only places where equality can be barely observed is metropolitan cities (ignoring the shady things happen there ofc), ofc there always exists small % of people who would take advantage of extra rights and attention given to them, but such small % is common in any form of social rights.
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Unfortunately women in the western world have become spoiled and take everything granted. The leftest feminists, don't want to actually get their hands dirty. While women in India are doing what they need to do to help feed their families, the leftest feminists in the west who have more than they'll ever need look for reasons to pretend they are some sort of victim. Women and men in America have the exact same rights.
@@SoraToshiAki as a fellow indian i agree but again a job where there's no contract formed about job benifits(like labours, sewer cleaners, or free lancers) are bound to get unfair wage. And i don't think there's a wage gap in man and women brick layers(most people compare labours with bricklayers) . And i think even in India at least according to laws women have much larger privilages if you can call them that than men. Just remember that taxu driver and zomato man incident
Something that I really like about your video reactions as first the purity of the reaction, you don’t make unnecessary pauses. Other reactions pause the videos to make unnecessary, crude and onto thoughtful comments. For the most part, most of your comments are actually adding to the experience and building the arguments. Keep up the great reactions!
So proud you covered this video Alex! This is the interview that launched Peterson into the stratosphere! Finally you can see why :]
The difference is that men are slightly more caring when it comes to their girlfriends and giving them a great a source of income almost like their duty and responsibility but women are loving and caring and they can work as well as men regardless
Nice coverage of this video Alex your the men this video🤙🏻🤝 video exploded so much ideas
Lets not forget the BritishGQ disaster following this.. where iirc, they even issued a statement that they had mal intentions with their (i wouldnt even call it an interview), more like interrogation of the worst bad faith. And Dr Peterson calmly put her down, as well.. the woman, i forget her name, i recall off the bat trying to group him with the alt right as her opener.. disgusting, vile, optics for the British GQ. & thank god for Dr Petersons gift of remaining calm in the face of someone essentially calling him a naz*.
I would just like to concur with this comment… The information that Jordan Peterson is putting forward is so helpful for our young men today, great to see this in circulation!
You have solidified me as a fan of yours for delving into Jordan Peterson.
I was quite embarrassed for Kathy based on her apparent eagerness to jump onto almost anything Dr. Peterson said, and to reframe it (ala 'strawman') so as to paint him as meaning things he absolutely didn't mean. I found her dynamics predatory and opportunistic with an eye on malice and damage. I don't know anything about how she may have reformed herself since this interview but unless she has, I think it's fair to characterize her behavior as utterly despicable and malevolent.
Years later, she's still catching hell for this interview.
Exactly. She is toxic for the viewers. Very toxic. Her biases were all over the place.
Sad part is she was actually very mild compared to what the fake news msm in the US would have done to Jordan. Still had no idea what she was doing. Was definitely trying to push here own ideologies onto Jordan. This is what the media has become. The mouthpiece for leftwing/liberal parties around the world.
Nah, just a substantial minority of women thing .... ;)
Exactly and malevolece and bitterness is the easiest way to make everyones life HELL! So....clean your room =P man i love this man, sure his speechpattern can seem funny sometimes (especially after one has seen as much stuff of him as i have 🤦♂️) but he is a international treasure
I challenge her to interview him again without saying "sO yOu'rE sAYinG"
So you're saying she shouldn't use the "so you're saying" phrase...
Paraphrasing is a smart way to make sure, you understand what was said,... If it is used honestly. And then there is C.N. 😐
Kathy wasn't waiting for her turn to speak, she was arguing with a man who wasn't even there. She was arguing with the demon she already believed him to be. One last thing, he has one other book called Maps of Meaning. If you want something deeper and more challenging this is a great one, full of history our public schools intentionally alter or avoid.
It is on audible. I wouldn't have read it. Audible made it accessible. But MoM, 12 rules for life and 12 more rules for life are all basically the same book.
"Arguing with a man who wasn't even there" that's might be the handiest way I've ever heard the "strawman" concept put in to words. Thanks for that lol.
@@wbtittle LMAO I read that like it was a little kid saying that out loud:
*Gives her son 3 JP books*
"But Mom!? 12 rules and 12 more rules are basically the same book!
@@djjazzyjeff1232 I enjoyed all three books. I would never recommend his first book to anyone other than someone interested specifically in foundational discussions of meaning. I wouldn't recommend the 2nd 12 rules to anyone who wasn't completely enamored of the first book. Based on Cathy Newmans (and many other folks) lobster failure, there are a lot of folks challenged by reference frame changes.
But you will find both books fully contained in the first book. The 2nd and 3rd books are just rearrangements from the first.
At the core of it, I find my own dilemma. How to teach someone to tie a sheetbend. The short answer is Rinse, Lather, Repeat and then get them to rinse, lather and repeat. First step is MAKE THEM HOLD THE ROPE.
so your saying all books were written by jordan peterson?
There was a really interesting discussion I remember hearing where JP talks about this interview after the fact. He was able to pinpoint the exact point in the interview when he realized this was never intended to be a fair and open discussion or debate. At that point he made a shift from trying to defensively answer accusations to actively going on offense having realized that it was a game to make him look bad right from the start. The patience with which he suppressed the desire to respond with anger is more than I could have managed. If history is written with any sense of honesty I believe he will be remembered as one of the great philosophical minds of an era. Sadly, partisan politics brings heavy blinders. At the end of the day he wants to help people and preserve freedom.
He’s a classical liberal, and the modern liberals hate that.
Oh lord, you guys need to study more 🤣
Very well said. I agree 💯.
@@k1ngcab00se riiiiiight.... and your evidence to the contrary?
@@ProudAmerican1829 evidence that Jordan "what are we going to do without men 😭" Peterson isn't a 'great philosophical mind'?
Haha.. you guys act like he's the only person to write a book. Bless your simple little hearts.
Dude, you are the sweetest. I didn't have sympathy for Cathy Newman when I saw this, but I also have a tendency to weigh in whatever I believe their intentions to be. You saw deeper than that to weigh in her human struggle, and that is compassion, bro. Thank you for showing me that. It's beautiful. 😊
18:15 "If it means equality of outcome then no." Here's my example. My husband is one of those driven people who's willing to fight and grind his way to the top. He loves it. I'm a homemaker. I love it.
In order to get equality of outcome, forces would have to artificially stop him from climbing and would have to compel me out of my home. Both of us would be furious and miserable.
He and I aren't getting the same outcome because those things aren't our individual goals.
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There are a lot of people that want exactly that. Most of them are unhappy and don't see why you should be happy.
@Bob as if a job is the only way to maintain an income stream.. "being a homemaker today is a luxury of being married to a rather succesfull man" is a flat out wrong statement. i am 26 years old and my parents arent rich by any means, if anything my familly's financial situation is on the lower end of the spectrum. 6 years ago i had no more than 5k to my name that i saved up myself from working.. now i have over 500k to my name by investing in cryptocurrencys and stocks which now generates me passive income to sustain myself. i no longer work a job. and i barely spended any time on being "good" at it. i simply bought certain assets and holded on to them still to this day whilst taking occasional profits from time to time.
dont be a victim to circumstances, there are so many oppertunity's to be financially independend. you dont need to be a genius or lucky enough to marry a wealthy partner. even with 100$ you can make it big in a few years time.
"they arranged society such that the kids most at risk have the least parental attention and oversight" that is on the parents themselves, not society nor the goverment. why would you even want to have kids if your financially strugglin in the first place? having a child will make things only that much more expensive to you. work on having a solid foundation first.
Or you both are still expected to do those things, but get a lump sum "equal" pay for your work. This might be nice for you, but I'd wager would effectively kill your husband's motivation to excel and try to improve things for himself and his family.
There you go. Amazing how so many people are incapable of understanding this
His "got you" moment is something he regrets. In other interviews he says he wishes he didn't say "got you". Unlike us, he's not trying to "one up" people......which is why I have great respect for how he does his interviews.
I disagree with that, though. She needed that moment to be put into her place. And it sort of loosened up the situation through humour simultaneously. I think it was a perfectly fine approach.
@@PresidentScrooge I agree with you 100%.....but this is why I admire Dr Peterson.....he reminds me that this isn't a "I'm trying to one up the other person" and trying to get her to understand that he isn't this "Nazi" they paint him out to be.....plus when you can admit how you could of handle things better without making the other person look bad....to me.....thats like Zen level type of stuff.
His "got you" moment, he may regret but nobody who watched it does it's such an unforgettable "TV" moment.
@@walterblanc9708 Its true. I was thinking "Got you Bitch!" but then to hear him later realize that he could have handle it better......its humbling.
I am only seeing this video again for that "gotcha" moment.. its one of the best interview ..not for the anchor...
Alex’s humorously irritated responses towards Kathy are hilarious because they’re so true and he can’t stand it and I’m agreeing with him. 😂
He actually went on record after this as saying he regretted saying "Ha! Gotcha!". He said it didn't represent how he likes to debate, but he was incredibly frustrated with the interview and KN's tactics and "snapped".
I mean, I'd been frustrated if seone kept putting words in mouth.
"so you're saying"
"so you think"
"so you don't believe in equal pay"
"you're saying that's fine"
i love that saying "Ha! Gotcha!" is jordan petersons version of snapping. lmao this guy
Snapped!? He still seemed calm to me. I wish I could be like that whenever I snap.
@@tannerrich2388 😂😂 he's incredibly patient. I could never put up with this bullshit lol
That was nice he did that but I don’t hold him and fall for that at all all particularly because of the way he said it he did not say it in a mean spiteful way it was said in a joking way and it was the truth. But that just shows how he’s trying to better himself. I really like him I think he’s a good guy.
“Stand up straight with your shoulders back.”
Alex immediately straightens himself🤣😂
So did I ...
I mean I always sit straight 😉
We all did
Just goes to show how much of an 'alpha' male he is.
Good dog, listening to his masters voice.
No wonder he loves J.P.
:)
@Joe R Huh ? No bro, not mad at all. Just sad, sad to see lots of wimpy incel misogynist loving morons fawning over J.P.
If you think that J.P. is something to aspire to then I'm sad and left to wonder if mommy didn't hug you enough.
Might I add that I'm just blown away by your careful rebuttal of the facts as I present them... ah yes... you didn't because you can't.
This was one of my favorite peterson interviews. He destroys the lunacy
I almost feel sorry for her, this interview will forever haunt her.. hopefully she's learned a lesson from it.
Why do you feel sry she did what she was paid to do
so your saying that she is a ghost and she is doomed to haunt that studio?
I hear you, but I think she needed a person of keen intellect to come in and go toe to toe with her. Iron sharpens iron. I don't feel sorry for her in the least, she got to where she is by being a disagreeable person, just like Peterson eluded to in the interview.
@@ira233 She was paid to do that in the sense that her employer knows how she is, but she wasn't specifically paid to purposely misrepresent Jordan Peterson's positions. She would have been far more effective if she had genuine arguments to counter Peterson. The only way she could make Peterson appear wrong was to put words into his mouth that he didn't say. She did that on literally every response or question to him. That's all she had the ability to do. It was sad to watch.
she thinks that she won the argument
This is without a doubt the best interview of the culture wars. Jordan was brilliant, but nobody has interviewed him as well as Cathy Newman. Like most in the mainstream media, Newman was not content to just impartially interview Jordan, but started to debate him as well. She wanted to debate an alt-right opinion leader, instead she faced a polite man with a complex understanding of the human condition.
Debating with Jordan Peterson was her first mistake, trying to put words into his mouth was her 2 to 38th mistake.
He’s not alt right at all.
i disagree, Helen Lewis from GQ was longer and more entertaining. she was a thoroughly detestable and pompous witch, and she got under Jordans skin which you can see. he talked about how nasty she was when he was on Rogan.
Nice outfit, Alex!
@@amandakallas8908 The comment isn’t calling him that. It’s saying that’s the person that she wanted to argue against (that’s how media portrays him a lot) but what she got was a calm and polite person
What I love most about this conversation, and why I think it became so viral, is because it takes all the inane arguments that happen online and forces them to deal with an person who's educated on the subject and able to react in real time. People resonate with this because anyone paying attention can see that this is how 90+% of these conversations go online. Person A puts forth an argument, person B twists what they said and declares them to be a sexist/racist/transphobe/nazi/etc and then the entire dialogue breaks down into no-I'm-not-yes-you-are. It's been happening for fucking years, especially since the public discourse stage moved to social media.
To have a person who can immediately respond in person and break down exactly what his point actually is just does so much to expose the absurdity of the whole thing.
This interview should sooo be a drinking game! Everybody take a shot every time Cathy says “So your saying”! 😂😂😂
that's kind of jordan's fault though, by making heavy implications without being willing to put the implications into their own words, because they are controversial or shitty takes
@FE4R Wolf CRAZY When we play we play to win! 🥃😈🥃😈🥃😈🤣
That game will give you alcohol poisoning lmao best to just sip a light beer, that way you only end up blackout drunk 😂😂😂
@@theseanie9958 So you´re saying you like nazis and oppression and you wanna destroy humankind?
@@ahmo2 hahahahaha!!!
The whole problem with this interview is that it really isn't an interview. Cathy is not really doing an interview as a journalist, but is taking on the role of an activist at a debate.
That is the case with the GQ video interview and then the first print interview he did with the Sunday Times. None of these women realized what a brilliant opportunity they were given to perhaps make history interviewing one of the greatest minds of our times. Instead they fashioned hit pieces and should have been moved back to the entertainment division covering the Karfasions.
so your saying shes a journalist?
“so what your saying “ lol 😂
I constantly watch this interview the way others listen to a favorite song. Rarely in life have I witnessed a scene played out so perfectly that you swear it was scripted. This was the perfect example of *right* calmly and fearlessly facing down *wrong*. The sad thing is that I don't think Kathy learned a thing from talking to one of the smartest minds on the planet, and that says volumes for what we as intelligent and caring people will no doubt be facing from here on in. I enjoyed your reactions, Alex...
@The FriendlyMofo Perhaps so...
She wasn't there to win. She was there to attempt to down Peterson. Make him out to be a bigot. That simply didn't happen.
@@AuraysTimelessChannel Good point. Clearly her goal was to ruin the man's reputation and career. Can you imagine having a public conversation with a person with such a destructive goal, while still exerting the discipline to stay calm? Jordan is to be commended...
Yep that’s what they are trying to do. They want to silence ppl who do not share the same ideologies as them. So yes she was trying to take him down. But if she did they would have gave her the win. So yes she was going for the so called win. But she got crushed!
This exchange and interview is from a time before Jordan got seriously sick which, thank God, he’s recovered from. He is the most respected and loved professor on the planet.
He absolutely destroyed her and kept his cool the entire time like he usually does.
She clearly listened to respond not to understand.
And my three are patients, honesty, intelligence.
For the record, Cathy's Wikipedia article shows that she said "so you're saying" 35 times, that's more than once per minute 😅
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Thank you
Wow!
The ability to have a logical debate is a dying art and skill and Jordan Peterson is one of the few people that is like a Jedi master when it comes to have a logical and well structured conversation. Most people can't without getting emotionally involved and getting "triggered" over opposing views and opinions. I applaud JP for being so great at making sense of the madness we're surrounded by.
Peterson is to debate what Kent Hovind is to science.
Jordan peterson is just off the scale. Gives me the motivation to start to think properly before i speak- which will be invaluable to me in the future
The way Jordan stays so calm is in itself is a huge Alpha move.
Sigma move.
You should check his videos with Joe Rogan.
He expressed how at first he was discussing, started to get irritated, then his psychologist mind kicked in and he started therapizing.
To have those skills should be a class for all men.
Nah he's a SIGMA not a beta alpha
@@shannonwaipouri1730 Definitely a Sigma, very sure of himself, good quality.
"The meek shall inherit the earth." Jordan Peterson has a profound translation of this.
Funny thing with the "pink tax" such as blue vs pink products, there is actually a direct production cost difference, in addition to all the other marketing reasons.
Blue dye bonds with cheaper plastics better than pink dye, so to make a product pink requires a higher quality and therefore more expensive plastic, so there is obviously a difference in production costs, which then gets amplified through the other variables before they make it to the shelf
Exactly, one of many actual factors that tend to make female products more expensive. But it all comes down to choice, there are cheaper products and nobody is forcing you to anything.
The cost difference is due to basic economics. If Pink was the number one colour choice then it would be cheaper than black. She's assuming all women want Pink helmets in a 50/50 split with all men wanting black, which is clearly not the case. The majority of women will also choose a black helmet. It will only be a minority of women who want Pink helmets or any pink product in the first place, so lesser products made, so a higher cost. It's just economics as I said
She's wearing blue herself in this very interview. What a sexist travesty! Someone, quick, get her some expensive pinks so she can feel more equal!
THANKS!!!!! Exactly...
"A delineation of the kind of destiny that makes life worth living" that's too accurate🔥
Imagine asking a neurosurgeon what gives them the right to tell others how the human brain works.
People have tried to defend this interview by saying that Cathy was given her marching orders by higher ups and this was just what they wanted, but if that's the case then she really ought to ask for a raise.
That interview has destroyed any integrity and professional standard people thought she had. Good gods. It's infuriating to watch Jordan Peterson carefully outline a thought just for Cathy to latch onto the first 4 words and use them as a springboard to accuse him of saying something entirely different.
She should excise the words "So you're saying" from her vocabulary.
@Skalbird Genome Bill Burr has a hilarious bit about how women argue and he's not exactly wrong.
Observational comedy is just the best.
Yep she definitely went rogue. She was losing convo at every turn. So she would switch subject and go rogue. This lady does think she can do no wrong. Yes she believes she is levitating above the rest of us. Yea he’s my favorite comedian.
I love JP so much! So many people that interview him love to try to trip him up and it never works. He is just too damn intelligent to allow that to happen. I would love to have JP be my counselor. He would knock the crap out of my depression/anxiety 😁
I'd be cured in a week for sure
Read his books, and watch his lectures. They'll be the next best thing.
Very well said, hope you find someone as caring to help you with depression and anxiety. Life isn't easy.
You AAAAARRRREEEE my reaaactiiion!! I was toootally YOU yelling into the air & at God about how confusing and frustrating Cathy was!! You're Amazing!!! Keep being you!!!!
Oh! 3 steps to success: 1. Accept failure as being a part (structurally)of success. 2.Agreeability in so much as you are striving(fighting) for peace. 3. Be personally accountable & responsible & truthful always
It is interesting, having rewatched this interview many times, how many times Cathy conflates an individual woman's ability to strive for success with the nebulus average of all womens' success.
It's like arguing that an individual person can't have higher than average intelligence, because the average exists.
As a woman, if I decide to sacrifice other aspects of my life, to make it to the top, why on earth would I care about the success of the 'average woman' happens to be?!
Basically just saying that all women deserve to have the same as men, regardless of how much work or type of work they contribute to.
I would guess that it must be frustrating for those women whom sacrifice and play the game like most men do to have other women just come up and say give us what they earned because we are women. Strip away gender and just compare everything else, we will see all is fair in terms of meritocry.
Exactly Vanessa. There are no female, Michelangelo, Rembrandt or Da Vinci... no female, Beethoven, Mozart or Tchaikovsky's. All I see is women claim it's because of 'Patriarchy' I would say it's because men are more 'singleminded'... driven if you like. Doesn't make them more intellectual or for that matter talented.. just determined, at all costs. Many of the males that are seen today as luminairies died pennyless and destitute.
The greatest artist or musician ever to live may well have been female, we will never know.
Socialism at its finest... "I shouldn't have to work hard to get paid the same as the person who works overtime every day and is highly conscientious to my lazyness".
Thus "equality of outcome" (equal pay "just because") rather than "equality of opportunity" (anyone who works hard can get ahead).
Man have to sacrifice a lot to get to the top too. The guys who are good at interacting with other people and have no trouble meeting woman (or man) or somehow get a job where they don’t need to work long hrs prefer to work less and enjoy their lives. I have some friends like that. But those guys who are deemed “ugly, uncool, weird” eventually realize there’s nothing else for them in the world besides their computer, videogames or work. And then they study a lot, work a lot, make money, start getting nice things. Then for the first time they feel important, wanted, special. Then they keep working more and more hrs until they can barely enjoy any of the nice things they got, even their spouses and children. That’s why you see so many high level male CEO’s and fewer females. Woman are smart and realize they don’t need that and it’s not worthy the stress, aggravation, the toll on their body and mind. Smart guys realize that too an enjoy and live their youth instead of slaving away just looking for more money and success.
And I say that looking back at my life with some sadness. I wasted my 20’s studying and working. At one point I was working close to 120hrs a week. I got a masters and Dr. degrees, Owned my business and 4 houses by the time I was 30 and still single. At that point I married my beautiful wife and still wanted to work 15 hrs days. We fought a lot because of that until I reduced to 10 hrs a day or so, and that made me depressed and I had a nervous breakdown. I didn’t know how to do anything else but work. I didn’t enjoy time off with my family because I was always thinking about how much money I could be making instead. It took the housing crisis of 2008 when I lost a lot of money and things to realize how little those things mattered. My wife stuck with me even when she started making more money than me. I felt ruined and humiliated because I saw my worth as my job and possessions. Today I’m older and have slowed down, I’m enjoying my teen kids before they leave home. So I can say for experience that I don’t envy any ceo that has to work 100+ hrs every week in a high stress job. I know the toll that takes. Women see it’s not worthy.. And that’s where the pay gap comes from. High paying crappy jobs that only guys are stupid enough to take..
I applaud Jordan Peterson for maintaining his composure in the face of such gaslighting and failed manipulations.
I agree with you. Never have I understood why they chose to employ these tactics with a clinical psychiatrist of all people.
36:30--She is so stupid!
"Let me get this straight: you're saying we should just be lobsters?"
This woman is the exact issue with society.
We live in a time where people listen to a few words in a sentence and make it into drama.
L i s t e n
This is precisely why I cannot handle relationships, I speak just like Jordan Peterson, only without the smart/big words...
My exs always sound like this woman here... It's soooo tiring.
How does he remain so calm dealing with these interactions so often......
So you're saying women need to be eliminated from society?
so what you saying is that people who are hard of hearing don't and shouldn't belong to our society?
@@jankowalski6338 😆😆😆😆
@@jankowalski6338 so what you're saying is that by disagreeing with me, you hate women?!
I like watching you realize how good JP is at arguing without slipping. He chooses his words carefully. He knows when you are trying to trick him. He knows when you are seeking to distort what he says. You can't mash him, he is the potato masher.
This is why so many people do not like him. Because they don't like to see someone they know could dismantle them and all their hero's in an argument.
That's been the funny thing about the outrage over JP, if you actually listen to what he says, he is never demeaning or intending to demoralize or hurt people, he explains his observations of the world in a eloquent way and often what he says is actually very considerate of people and you can tell he is intentionally doing that.
The woke warriors literally are incapable of comprehending him, hence they try to cancel him.
There is so much more to be said but I think my point has been made.
The moments he said "gotcha ha" was amazing. He said what she thought when she starts going "so you're saying..... "
I am going through th JP-Shapiro phase. I am neither right nor left, but God have all these vids opened my eyes to so many things I didn't think about. I have always had this fear to listen to what I disagree with just because I was afraid I'd lose whatever opinions I had because I couldn't defend them against the arguments. But nothing made me more open minded and tolerant like emersing in different opinions.
Do that - I listen to good thinkers on every side. I'm more center-right but have to think from all sides.
Put Thomas Sowell on your list. Phenomenal mind. Just... brilliant.
These guys have the power to open our mind in a way that people with normal education can't. Listening to them is a true candy for the mind and helps us to make ourselves an opinion on those different issues in society.
@@rsbreth good thinkers would exclude Shapiro. He is as good as the kids he destroys. Stick to Peterson and evaluate his words, don't take them as gospel.
Yup same grew up left and after wtaching alot of these vids and doing my own research im now mid and ALOT more open minded than i have ever been
3 things to make you succesfull
1. Humility
2. Discipline
3. Leadership skills or capacity to work in a team environment
I really enjoyed watching you watch the interview. Cathy is extremely frustrating and I'm always learning new strategies from JBP on how to endure such conversations and present compelling arguments without loosing composure
Wasn't she just THE perfect mouthpiece for radical feminism to assist Jordan in successfully debunking feminist "Theory." Bravo Cathy Newman.
Out of any video on the internet, I still think this video is the biggest intellectual beatdown out there. Jordan is so misunderstood
That "gotcha" moment was the most crushing riposte since Woody Allen pulled Marshall McLuhan out of the line at the theater to validate his slap down of the pretentious professor in "Annie Hall".
I love when you do content like this.
Canada doesn't have the First Amendment like the USA...
I don't and it makes me sick to my stomach.
@Alex Lawson He's anti-science. While he's great as a speaker/debater when it comes to psychology, he doesn't understand science. Far too many worship him and believe everything he says is truth. Nearly everything needs to be fact checked these days but the majority of people don't do this and end up believing BS or spread misinformation.
@@muzikgod where did you get your degree? Do you have one?
@@ThePizzaGuy1998 You need a degree to understand some basic concepts of science? Are you defending a climate change denier?
Yes, more JP, it's good for you, me, everyone.
So you´re saying kill all the other psychologists.
@@ahmo2 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ben Shapiro: "They should be castrated or killed"
@@ahmo2 ×_×
This is globalization
Winner takes all
I am enjoying your evolution from _Hip Hop head listening to Metal_ to what you react to these days. I got a lot of satisfaction from this reaction.
I remember watching this the day it was first on youtube and being amazed with her lack of understanding.
The idea that we can "change the rules" to make it easier for women to "succeed" by selecting on more feminine traits is a fundamental misapprehension of what is happening.
It's not that male traits were set up as the criteria for success by a committee. It's that in the careers where men dominate typically male traits are beneficial to competently performing the job, and the same is true for feminine traits in the careers women dominate. That's why even within the medical field where women dominate broadly you can break it out into the sub-fields that see patients (children in particular) and find women dominate these areas even more, but in other areas where less patient interaction is expected (e.g. surgeons) men gain ground or become dominate again.
And the reasons are obvious, in the patient focused areas agreeableness becomes a massive asset. But in a surgeon with a disagreeable personality any time the OR isn't configured perfectly they are more apt to raise hell and make sure it is done right every single time going forward. Being disagreeable and conscientious makes them fantastic advocates for their patients and relentless in their attention to the sorts of details that routinely save lives. Conversely a lack of agreeableness in a patient centered practice can manifest as a rather unpleasant bedside manner. And if you're not aware bedside manner is regarded as a critically important aspect of physician-patient relationships in establishing trust to quickly and reliably get the correct information needed to diagnose and treat the patient all while reducing stress on patients by putting them at ease.
Regardless, even the above is only a superficial look at how these traits can benefit/detract from success, but it is in these ways that the traits are determining success of people in their fields. There is no cabal determining which traits are good and which are bad, it's just the reality of *what the job requires* . So asking to change it is like asking why we don't use square tires on our cars, the answer is because round tires simply do the job to a superior standard and we all, both sexes, benefit when jobs are done to a higher standard.
Man, I love the fact that you react to these videos from an argumentative standpoint. It is a rare and refreshing sighting and even helps me realize the techniques being used in each situation and how to apply them (or not) when I need.
Please keep on doing those.
Just found your channel the other day. You are one of THE most enthusiastic entertaining and seemingly Genuine content creaters I have come across thus far. Thank you.
Person- " I'm allergic to peanuts"
Kathy Newman " so what you're saying is..the entire peanut industry is a patriarchal tyranny? "
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The great part is that she truly thought she "won" this conversation until everyone pointed out how bad it made her look lol
"So you're saying" - said 35 times in an interview lasting 29 minutes.
Another Great Reaction brother 🙏
Only 35 times?
so your saying its the same number as half of 70 which is the same number as the dollar difference in the gender pay gap? what a bigot. how dare you say that
Mr Alex, I gotta say that I've absolutely loved watching you react and comment to Jordan Peterson's interviews. I am so impressed with how down-to-earth and open-minded you are. You've become one of my favorite react channels. Keep on rockin' 🤘🤘
This! I second this...
@@dustinwilson4815 me three! 👏🏻👏🏻💛
17:26
Yes, when he described that kind of man it immediately reminded me of my Grandpa and great Grandpa. They were insanely hard workers who were described by everyone who talks about them as being the most energetic men who were always doing *something* . Whether it was fun or work they put everything they had into it and then some. For example my Grandpa was an engineer who split off from his job decades ago and hired many of his former coworkers to work for him.
But a year into his new business he was struggling financially in a way that could put it under, and the only way to save it was convince a group of officials from the bank to back up his company. My family was incredibly stressed, and one of my Uncles who worked for him noticed the day of the meeting that Grandpa was smiling and as energetic as ever despite all of the stress and exhaustion this was putting them under.
So my Uncle asked him how he was still so optimistic despite this being the difference between bankrupting or saving the buisness?
Grandpa just smiled and said "Being sad or upset ain't gonna fix it, all we can do is give it our best shot. And if we go down at least we go down knowing we gave it our all. Keep your chin up!
And he proceeded to go to that meeting that the bank officials already had plans to put him under, and layed down a plan on how to repay the bank and managed to convince them all that his company would be worth the investment and saved the whole business.
Despite him passing away 5 years ago, he's still a shining example to me what hard work, ingenuity, and relentless hope can do to a man. I wish I could've talked to him now now I'm older and can even begin to understand what the weight of his position truly brought.
So awesome to see Peterson get more coverage. I’ve been watching his videos for what feels like 10 years and it’s been hard for me to get people to watch and understand how brilliant he is. He speaks how I think, it’s like my brain is DOS and he’s Windows and articulates the way I think. Super smart dude and everyone could benefit from studying his videos and books. Thanks for sharing, brother.
In a later interview discussing the aftermath of this one JP said something along the line “Kathy couldn’t listen to what I was saying because she was behaving as an avatar of an ideology or many” in other words behaving in this manor strips the individual out of the conversation because she’s there as a representative of an ideology/s. She’s putting the group identity at the forefront of what she maybe thinking below that which is the real Kathy Newman. To some degree she’s ideologically processed and it’s obsurdity is playing itself out in real-time in this example.
“That’s not what he said…”
Most reactions about this interview that statement is universal.
She came to this interview with a quiver of arrows that she was determined to shoot, and confident that she would smote JP. As each and every one of her arrows missed their target, she only once stopped to considered why. Instead of wondering why her aim wasn't working, or even if JP deserved to be smote, all she seemed to want was more arrows. If she was intellectually honest, she would see in her own experience that the job she holds was achieved at the exclusion of many men and women who thought that they deserved, or had earned, the position she holds. What would she say to them if they came to her and said it wasn't fair that it was her in front of those cameras instead of them. She'd say it was because she was smarter, more conscientious, and more assertive they were, and to go f*ck off.
Here come the "Alex is a sexist" comments. My guy, you knocked out out of the park with this reaction. Everything you said was spot on, and I could swear at some points you were reading my mind. Keep up the good work, hopefully this video can change some minds and open people's eyes to see that this is not the way you have a legitimate and productive discussion. She had no respect for Jordan, and even though he got her, she refused to open her mind to the possibility that she may not be educated enough on the subject, and realize that maybe she needs to do more homework.
Always fun to see kathy "So you're saying" newman get calmly dismantled.
This is freaking awesome content! She’s not going to out talk him- she’s going to find out that it’s a lot easier to get on than it is to get off! She’s on the defensive- she’s giving emotional responses- and that simply isn’t logical. She’s completely being outboxed and out classed. She’s phishing for something to use in her argument but she will find nothing but a doughnut- 0 It’s not about Belief- it’s about equal outcomes are not always going to happen
Blows my mind that this woman is still employed ANYWHERE as a journalist
Really? Have you watched Fox News, OANN, CNN read the Daily Mail or other news publications? She's actually good.
@@sonia55408 your definition of "good" is either satire or ignorant.
@Alex Lawson I am speaking from the perspective of an American watching news presenters in America. It's brutal here on MSM channels. It's really a wonder anyone gets a word in edgewise. In fact often shouting over each other is the de rigueur of the day here. So for me this woman was competent and polite. Yes, I know you're probably surprised.
@Alex Lawson
If I understand Sonia's point correctly, she is pointing out (accurately) that most interviewers in the MSM use the tactic of asking a question and then shouting out the next question three words into the reply, or shouting out their own opinion over the words of the person they are suppose to be interviewing.
not surprised this is what passes as "journalism" these days. Perpetual clickbait and fake news.
If something I do or say provokes anyone, that's on them, not me. Like Jordan, I'm not generally provocative by nature. An example would be in my work life I've had many people ask me to slow my pace because I'm making them look bad. After this happened a couple times, I came up with a response of "No. YOU are making you look bad!" Anyway, thanks for bringing Jordan to us.
Jordan Peterson has a recommended book list on his website. I've yet to try a book from that list that didnt blow my mind.
You should read his books as well, his maps of meaning...which was his textbook for his harvard class. It's a really hard book, but extremely profound and his lectures on it are on TH-cam.
There is no right to not be offended. You could almost see the sparks flying in her head when he said he was fine with her trying to offend him. 🤣
Seems some on the left bellieve they do have the right not to be offended. Isn't this in part the reason behind the protests against conservatives being allowed to speak at colleges.
Be precise in your speech is one of the 12 rules...... He's practising what he preaches 👌
Never heard of Alex before, but I'm pleased this popped up in my feed ( yt is a podcast as I drive, I just hit next) An open mind is a vast toolbox.
The “gotcha” moment is amazing. At least she was honest enough to admit he got her.
I dont know why but when you listen to the part "all these hurdles in their way...." when your face all of a sudden flipped to you having a confused expression, i about pissed myself 😂 just how sudden that face changed and it zoomed too? Lawd 😂😂😂😂
6:15 oh just you wait
The reason this video has been viewed millions of times is seeing how he easily sidesteps every verbal trap she sets and never Ever loses his cool - it’s like magic.
I’m loving watching you react and throw some of your own thoughts in here and there. It’s refreshing to see open minded people just listen to what JP is actually saying. If people genuinely just listened rather than projecting what they think he is saying, I don’t think he would be viewed as such a polarising character. I get why Shapiro is polarising- he is often very insensitive in the way he speaks, and what he says is hurtful- his whole catchphrase is ‘facts don’t care about your feelings’ after all. But JP is so calm and collected, intelligent and his words have legitimacy as he is a clinical psychologist. He doesn’t deserve all the hate he gets.
I have watched the full video multiple times, but watching it again here I still found so much more to the discussion. 😄 Plus it was fun watching with you Alex 🙌
That was so eye opening. He can convey thoughts and ideas that I always get wrong. How can you have a conversation like that and not let it dissolve into a huge fight. I would give anything to get the chance to have him pick my brain and teach me how to communicate effectively.
That should be his next book
One thing that I've picked up from him is that he may be contrary if the conversation calls for it, but he's not contrarian. He is quick to agree with everything Kathy says that is right, diffusing her irrational indignation instead of feeding it.
He also highlights in the interview that he has taught himself to speak very carefully. It's easy to say more than you mean in the heat of the moment. Peterson is quick-witted, but he still takes the time -- even when in front of an audience -- to make sure he's saying what he means in precise and simple terms. I struggle with this one, since I tend to over-explain and my ADHD brain tends to overcomplicate things, but Peterson is great at keeping his arguments clean and direct.
Notice his exceptional body posture-with purpose. Extremely powerful and methodical in nature. From steepling fingers (authority), the occasional smiles (irony or sincere), tilt head (listening/concentration), leg positioning (confident/approachable).
I wouldn’t expect anything less from JP.