Winds of Winter Predictions: Shireen and Patchface

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  • We have had confirmation that the book-version of Shireen will suffer a tragic death along the lines of what we saw on the HBO show, but with many of the surrounding circumstances being different, how will it happen, what will it mean, and what effects will it have on the characters linked to her? Will this darkest deed of R'hllor be linked to the invasion of the Others, or Jon's resurrection perhaps? Meanwhile, Mel keeps seeing Patchface in her visions, surrounded by skulls and lips red with blood...
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  • @starfishcoffee2854
    @starfishcoffee2854 3 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    I would never trust Mel's interpretation of her visions. Ever. "I keep seeing Jon Snow in my flames repeatedly when I'm looking for Azor Ahai. Whatever could it possible mean???" Girl bye.

    • @jostockton.
      @jostockton. ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It means he's gonna shank Dany.

    • @charlesalvarenga763
      @charlesalvarenga763 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂😂😂

    • @driley1487
      @driley1487 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂

    • @aw2740
      @aw2740 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jostockton.Shag & shank

    • @dagnirglaurunga1620
      @dagnirglaurunga1620 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Lol she never actually said Jon snow, she just said the word snow.

  • @QuinnsIdeas
    @QuinnsIdeas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +265

    This one is dark folks...

    • @lietkynes3133
      @lietkynes3133 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      The night is dark and full of terrors...

    • @wisdommanari6701
      @wisdommanari6701 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Wait so your dog ate your hat so you got cornrows?

    • @bobbehwitchie
      @bobbehwitchie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Love it!

    • @jada9401
      @jada9401 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That’s how we like it 😉👍🏿

    • @made-line7627
      @made-line7627 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@wisdommanari6701 Is there any other reason to get cornrows?

  • @ajarnloma3368
    @ajarnloma3368 4 ปีที่แล้ว +189

    What if Patchface like Hodor has seen his own death and is trying to save Shireen when he wants her to go away with him because they both get burned

    • @WhiteSargent
      @WhiteSargent 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      D Peach he certainly sees a lot into the future - it makes sense he would see his own death and perhaps this is the thing that sent him mad when the drowned god may have intended him to become a priest of some sort?

    • @skylerhuffman663
      @skylerhuffman663 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      WDE!

    • @johnnygreenface4195
      @johnnygreenface4195 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He knows, he said it hi.self

  • @seanfreeman9458
    @seanfreeman9458 4 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    If Shireen is going to be burned to resurrect Jon, one could see why HBO changed it...
    They couldn't hang that on their pretty-boy hero, so they chose to hang it on Stannis and Selyse instead.

    • @henrychinaski5938
      @henrychinaski5938 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      I doubt it was hbo . Dumb and dumber have shown to have little knowledge of what makes the books amazing.

    • @jasonmendoza2044
      @jasonmendoza2044 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ............but they had him kill Daenerys 🤔 you’re obviously biased logic doesn’t quite add up there lol

    • @seanfreeman9458
      @seanfreeman9458 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@jasonmendoza2044 Jon killing Dany is central and necessary to the main plot arc of the show, and Dany had become the villain at that point, framing it as a noble act.
      How a minor character like Shireen dies isn't central to the plot at all, and she's an innocent child, not a murderous tyrant, making the situations completely different.
      My comment is about a prediction made in this video: how Shireen could be sacrified to resurrect Jon in the books. And if that were to happen, it would mean the showrunners decided not to go that route for a reason, and besides my sarcastic 'pretty-boy' remark, I don't think it's illogical at all to think they wouldn't want to hang Shireen's death on Jon. He's one of the main characters and one of the "good guys."
      For Shireen to die in the books the same way she did in the show, Selyse, Melisandre and Shireen would have to leave Castle Black, travel hundreds, if not thousands of miles to Winterfell in order to get to Stannis' camp. And I don't think that's happening.
      Shireen is still alive and at Castle Black when Jon is stabbed to death, and Stannis' army is about to engage the Bolton army.

    • @Chickawah
      @Chickawah 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Human sacrifice won’t ever be heroic. It won’t help defeat the others. It’s a mislead. GRRM’s heroism is about self sacrifice. D&D we’re right not to link Shireen’s burning to Jon Snow’s resurrection.

  • @ScipioWasHere
    @ScipioWasHere 4 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    I think Patchface takes on the role of the jester/joker. In old days they were supposed to act as the devil's advocate for rulers, keeping their ego in check and giving perspective (Watch Joker by Alan Watts). Over the years and a few short tempered rulers, they began to veil their criticisms in humor/songs. Similarly, Patchface is doing the same but no one reads into his sayings, except those who are perceptive.

  • @enclave315
    @enclave315 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Damn Quinn's hair looking good

    • @jroygbiv
      @jroygbiv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreeeed

  • @adamsmith2510
    @adamsmith2510 4 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    Patchface died in the sea and the Drowned God brought him back to be his prophet. He volunteered to go to Hardhome, saying "We'll ride into the sea and out again." Whenever he talks about the sea, he means death ("under the sea, fish eat us" "under the sea, bodies fall up" etc.). So at Hardhome, going into the sea means dying and coming out means being reanimated. He may have a hand in bringing on the Long Night.

    • @johnnygreenface4195
      @johnnygreenface4195 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The drowned god really wants winter

    • @Jess-yo9rt
      @Jess-yo9rt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's interesting, but isn't Patchface from Volantis? If I'm not mistaken he was bought there, and the Drowned God is from the Iron Islands I don't see connection, it wouldn't make sense.

    • @tomhutchins7495
      @tomhutchins7495 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That's the most interesting aspect of Patchface: he seems to be a prophet of the Drowned God. A religion that he never followed and may not even have heard of, and which seems to have driven him mad with what he saw. I guess Cthulhu made him an offer he couldn't refuse. (Of course there's Cthulhu. That description of a sea dragon just screams it).
      And "what is dead may never die, but rises harder and stronger" can only be a memory of wights. Yeah, that's why you live on your inaccessible craggy islands.

  • @naiarataiana
    @naiarataiana 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I agree w Quinn, I think the grayscale will be the reason behind Shereen's death. I think she will cause an outbreak of grayscale north just like Connington is about to cause a pandemic south, she'll be taken by the wildlings and killed and the body burned afterward but for practical reasons. I think Jon's resurrection could be happening simultaneously making the process ambiguous/unclear just like the the dragons birth was.

  • @MariaLuisa-vv4ug
    @MariaLuisa-vv4ug 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Stannis isnt caring, but he does love Shireen, no question about it

  • @TheJaviferrol
    @TheJaviferrol 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    "Under the waves se will ride seahorses"
    Aurane Waters stole all those ships from Kings Landing and hes a bastard of House Velaryon, and its sigil is...thats right, a seahorse

  • @dimble3
    @dimble3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Normies do their quarantine workouts to music, real ASOIAF fans do brutal workouts listening to quin and lml

  • @unrulycrow6299
    @unrulycrow6299 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Honestly, the more I think about Shireen's bleak future, the most upset I get about this poor little girl. I guess getting older, taking care of children and all of that amplifies the feelings, but I'm pretty sure her sacrifice will have me in tears.
    Poor Shireen.

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can't even imagine Stannis, Davos and Edric Storm's reactions...

  • @Nga_Babaye
    @Nga_Babaye 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Malegorn: Lord Snow, who will lead this ranging?
    Jon: Are you offering yourself, ser?
    Malegorn: Do I look so foolish?
    Patchface: I will lead it! We will march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh, oh, oh.

    • @Nga_Babaye
      @Nga_Babaye 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Paraphrasing:
      Malegorn: Who will lead us from life to death and back to the living.
      Jon: Would you like roll in this story, ser?
      Malegorn: I am an idiot, but not that type of idiot, ser.
      Patchface! I am that idiot! We will march beyond death and out again. Beyond the wall, we ride a pale horse and giant ice spiders, and our mortal enemies will blow the horn of the first man to announce our coming, oh the cumming, oh-oh-oh,
      Me: What the fuck is that dude talking about this time?

    • @pjongguiyab9293
      @pjongguiyab9293 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Seahorses can be interpret as "ships" or "sea mounts"... And Patchface said "under the waves"...Is Patchface saw them drowning while on mission to hardhome...geezz...

  • @yfullman
    @yfullman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I like to imagine after Quinn's puppy killed his hat LML offered to give him those sweet ass cornrows because lord knows no cosmetologists are open right now lol.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Hahaha it was just like the opening of Gin and Juice... Naw we recorded all this in Feb

  • @rebeccaridolfo6538
    @rebeccaridolfo6538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    In Homer's Iliad, King Agamemnon sacrifices his daughter Iphigenia to appease Artemis, change the winds and get the Greeks to Troy. When he gets back to Mycenae a decade later, Queen Clytemnestra murders him in revenge. Not an exact parallel, but close.

    • @songbird7450
      @songbird7450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      So Stannis might go berserk if he comes back to the wall?

    • @rebeccaridolfo6538
      @rebeccaridolfo6538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@songbird7450 If it follows the pattern, Selyse would kill him in the bath with an axe.

    • @songbird7450
      @songbird7450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@rebeccaridolfo6538 Since Selyse is at the wall, maybe the genders are swapped. Sounds like an GRRM thing to do

    • @rebeccaridolfo6538
      @rebeccaridolfo6538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@songbird7450 True! GRRM likes gender swaps and so do I. Hard to tell from the show how involved Selyse was in burning Shireen, but I bet she's gonna have a big reaction to it either way and so will Stannis (regret, guilt, shame etc)

  • @nicolaspietrangelo5573
    @nicolaspietrangelo5573 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    That whole thing about Patchface having blood on his mouth... Maybe it's about his prophecies about many people dying?

  • @bronhaller
    @bronhaller 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Could it be that Patchface will go berserk when Shireen is killed, and the reason Melisandre feels so scared of him is that he will either kill her or be such a threat that she fears for her life? She said that she first learned to see danger to herself, and her intense fear/dislike of Patchface could be related to this

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Definitely, I think so

    • @itsdag6720
      @itsdag6720 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean the blood can be Melissandres in th vision.

  • @lambielikesit
    @lambielikesit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Yall left us in this cold dark world! Glad you're back

  • @ShockinglyAverageApex
    @ShockinglyAverageApex 4 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    "Feminist icon Stannis Baratheon" 😂😂

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Heh heh heh

    • @treehouse318
      @treehouse318 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @agnat86 - i've always thought of Stannis as a progressive character, but don't think i've articulated it as well as you just did! #teamstannis

    • @donaldjgumpofficial5754
      @donaldjgumpofficial5754 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @agnat86 He also seems to be sympathetic towards the wildlings.

    • @amberw.1701
      @amberw.1701 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Also he is the only one who behaves like a king. When he meets people he tests them... and then sends them on complicated missions for the realm. The rest are just plotting to take or increase their power

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      He is actually quite progressive with questioning prejudices and stepping over the invisible lines they draw, like with Jon, who is a bastard, Davos who is lowborn and was for most of his life a criminal, not caring what people think of him letting his daughter be acompanioned by a mentally disabled person, listening to women, respecting other people's devotion to different causes.. . It did not help him, but he definitely is on a level with Tyrion in trying

  • @lonzellowe9101
    @lonzellowe9101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    These are essential over the quarantine

  • @alexb3604
    @alexb3604 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Definitely going to be key differences from the show with the concepts covered in this vid in terms of overall semantics , where characters are and general motivations. I have been leaning towards Shireen being sacrificed for Jon for a bit now ; with Jon's resurrection in general there is going to be more cost and likely more ritual sacrifice from Mel unlike the show's more simplistic hair washing and incantation version. So Shireen is a prime candidate here for a sacrifice connected to Jon , with ample textual clues for it. Stannis i do not see being directly involved or okaying her sacrifice in any way (even if he was in close proximity which he almost certainly will not be) as he does hold value for his daughter ; Selyse on the other hand the level of fanatic she is I would think would sign off Shireen's sacrifice if its something she deems rather important to the cause (not just a weather reprieve like the show). And this likely sacrifice is surely going to have ramifications on numerous levels and a general narrative catalyst for characters / arcs around and affected by the event.
    Patchface is interesting , somewhat bummed he was not in the show but in hindsight I am sure they would not have portrayed or captured him well anyway. In the books the prevalence of him in visions and another somewhat resurrected character who has prophetic / vision attributes / elements about him , does seem he has some integral role to fulfill , which may even manifest in his sacrifice. Definitely curious to see how these particular concepts play out in the books , it will be much more complex , nuanced and well thought out from GRRM compared to the show.

    • @Paganscot
      @Paganscot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thoros needed no sacrifices to bring Beric back umpteen times.

    • @alexb3604
      @alexb3604 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Paganscot i think there are a few differences there , for one Thoros resurrected Beric practically immediately after death each time which likely requires less cost / intervention , although there is surely some type of cost within Beric losing more and more of himself with each death. Catelyn required Beric giving his life to resurrect her as Lady Stoneheart after a few days had passed since she died. And as far as we are aware Mel has not done this successfully before so it would make sense for her to want to heighten her power (likely per the sacrifice) to get it done nd we do not know for sure if she is using the exact same method / spell as Thoros anyway. Ntm parts of her magic seems more tied with blood sacrifice in general with her after / coveting certain types of blood. Also as of now we do not know how long it will be between Jon's death and resurrection , where if a lot of time has elapsed between death and resurrection is at play this whole action looks a much more challenging task. Nor do we know if will cost more or less to get a soul / spirt that is in another entity (direwolf) back into their body with Ghost acting as a soul jar for Jon. I just see more variables at play and do not think it is necessarily like for like in terms of the situation or the exact magic / spell being used.

    • @richarddecredico6098
      @richarddecredico6098 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not going to happen that way.

  • @Luke-nn4pm
    @Luke-nn4pm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Patchface is the jar jar of ASOIAF. He is the key to everything

  • @isabellamego5321
    @isabellamego5321 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Everyone knows patchface is pretty crazy, I have no idea why Stannis thinks he is a good playmate.

    • @stofsk
      @stofsk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      He's the one thing he has left of his parents.

    • @Jess-yo9rt
      @Jess-yo9rt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Right??? "Let the lonely little girl run around with creepy! It'll be good for her"

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Well, patchface is a thing of his childhood, he is crazy, but that does not mean he is automaticly a threat. Nothing ever happened so there is no reason for Stannis to be cautious of him. That would be quite predjudiced! We know he is conected with higher powers and see Mels fear of him without the trust that builds with knowing someone as harmless for years. Stannis is pragmatic, he does not believe in the badmouthing of people and for him there is no indication of Patchface beeing anything but harmless and broken. Realy up toll this point to my knowlage patchface has not done anything to earn Stannises mistrust so I would not blame him for leaving a companion of his childhood with his daughter

    • @olenickel6013
      @olenickel6013 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      It might have started out of the fact that Shireen, when she showed first signs of greyscale, would have had hardly anyone willing to go near her. A crazy boy might have been "disposable" enough to give Shireen at least some company while everyone was waiting to see if the disease would go dormant.

    • @JS-eu1co
      @JS-eu1co 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Jess-yo9rt Shireen is the normal highborn in her family

  • @ashleyofnaath
    @ashleyofnaath 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    At the 4:20 mark -- I think Quinn has a point, though perhaps not in the way we think. What if Mel's visions of Patches surrounded by skulls was a hint from GRRM about who Patches is? Meaning that he's a green-seer. Mel's vision of Patches in the flames and Bran's coma vision could be interpreted as similar:
    "...Many a time I have glimpsed him in my flames. Sometimes there are skulls about him..."-Mel
    "There was nothing below him now but...a frozen wasteland where jagged blue-white spires of ice waited to embrace him. They flew up at him like spears. He saw the bones of a thousand other dreamers impaled upon their points..."-Bran
    What Mel sees could be a reformation of what Bran saw. We know Mel seems to fear Patches because of her visions, and the only other time a fire vision scares her is the one where Bran and Bloodraven are staring back at her through the flames. Two greenseers. There's a lot more to the theory than that, too much to include in a comment, but just thought I'd mention the bits about the skulls since their possible meaning was touched upon in the video.
    It's also worth noting that if this were true and Patchface stepped onto Shireen's pyre, burning a greenseer could have interesting implications for Jon's resurrection. Maybe it'll awaken the gift in Jon, similar to the Jojen paste bolstering Bran's abilities. This could be what makes Patches more significant than Stannis as Quinn suggested. We know Bran tried opening Jon's third eye while Jon was in Ghost; maybe this inadvertent sacrifice will do what Bran couldn't. Further, Jon's direwolf has red eyes, and red eyes are the mark of a greenseer. Perhaps I'm misreading things but it seems like there's been some groundwork laid here.

  • @realworldforum
    @realworldforum 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    On many ocassions Patchface starts a phrase with the words "under the sea" . I noticed that if you replace under the sea with Valyria it kida makes sense. But you need to iluminate us on his quotes. He is the most misterious chatacter in ASOIAF, even more misterious than Quaithe

  • @jada9401
    @jada9401 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This is the only thing that’s getting me through quarantine

    • @moontide3943
      @moontide3943 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jada Farmer Girl, same

  • @fernandosimon5621
    @fernandosimon5621 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I feel that Patchface is connected to Euron in some way. All this talk about underwater beings and Euron wants to raise all sorts of creatures with his "sea of blood" plan.

    • @olofacosta3192
      @olofacosta3192 ปีที่แล้ว

      Patchface is definitely connected to the drowned god. Would be funny if he killed Euron for disrespecting the drowned god

  • @jorgehernandez4098
    @jorgehernandez4098 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Ok so this is MY prediction, or atleast how I see it happening. I think they will try to sacrifice Shireen to the Red God, but when they go looking for her she's missing. Everyone goes crazy looking for her cause they believe that if they give her to the Red God they'll be safe but, when they find her she's been drown by Patchface as a sacrifice to the Drown God. Then they'll end up sacrificing Patchface to the Red God.

    • @210SAi
      @210SAi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wouldn’t really follow Patchface’s character to kill off Shireen

    • @realworldforum
      @realworldforum 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That seems really unlikely

    • @kirstenpaff8946
      @kirstenpaff8946 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I don't know about drowning, but I could see Patchface trying to mercy kill Shireen so that she doesn't have to go through being burnt alive. I suppose he could try drowning her if his intent is to bring her back similar to the Iron Born drowning ceremony. Maybe he interprets "what is dead may never die" as immunity against being burnt.

  • @roryhigsmit
    @roryhigsmit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Now do the rickon on Skagos video !

  • @JonyTony2018
    @JonyTony2018 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You guys should cover Hardhome. I think it will be the prologue chapter in Winds. Melisandre said none shall return from there. It seems much darker than the tv series, wildlings are eating the dead, Black fleet is broken, losing half it’s ships, the dead are in the woods and “things” are lurking in the water. It seems really ominous and creepy.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hey, not a bad idea!

    • @harryobrien1547
      @harryobrien1547 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      George has said that Jeyne Westerling will appear in the prologue chapter so it won't be Hardhome

    • @JonyTony2018
      @JonyTony2018 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@harryobrien1547 What a shame

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JonyTony2018 But If It was, it would've been from Tormund's POV!

    • @JonyTony2018
      @JonyTony2018 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PedroLucas-mg5je Tormund is on the wall

  • @tommyvalenzuela7504
    @tommyvalenzuela7504 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is the one I was waiting for. Discussions about Patchface. His connections to prophecy and the deep ones. That is a plot threat I’m waiting to read

  • @jj3399
    @jj3399 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very glad you two are back with this preview thx

  • @jakejones8044
    @jakejones8044 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    These videos are phenomenal, and are really helping folks through the quarantine. Thanks for the quality content, guys.

  • @jkthugz9945
    @jkthugz9945 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for all the videos I love when you two team up! I just recently found your videos and have been watching both of you guy's channels and love the theories You make my work days enjoyable!!

  • @TaylorMorgeson
    @TaylorMorgeson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Patchface is frontrunner for my favorite character of all time ❤ awesome to have another episode today, thanks fellas 🤘

  • @austenwhitebeard4008
    @austenwhitebeard4008 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not nearly enough material on this subject out there! Perfect for keeping me going at work thanks guys!

  • @jaykay5811
    @jaykay5811 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These are great guys. Not overly long and the style of the room and table are on point. Also likin the classier look. You guys have solid insight keep it up

  • @Cookie12670
    @Cookie12670 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely love these. After these are done, I’ll be looking forward to the actual book being released and am hoping to see the 2 of you going over all of these plot lines again and comparing what you thought would happen against what actually happens in the book. I really like the chemistry between the two of you. More collaborations for you two, please!

  • @williamkelley6741
    @williamkelley6741 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank god you guys are back at it

  • @treehouse318
    @treehouse318 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    love you guys, thank you for the video!🥰

  • @LordCorlys
    @LordCorlys 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Glad to have you guys back I was going through vid withdrawals after that amazing March you guys provided us! Also shoutout to my boy Quinn with the fresh cornrows tho lmao.👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾

  • @blackeyedlily
    @blackeyedlily 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lovely to have another video from you two! I definitely thought the television show story behind Stannis burning Shireen was totally lame. If he is somehow involved in the decision, then it would have to be an existential threat, like a literal attempt to save mankind from the Others, IMO. Though I won’t be surprised if he isn’t there at all either.

  • @TheBrett1890
    @TheBrett1890 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could never get tired of you two collaborating on videos. Also, nice cornrows :D

  • @Sporking
    @Sporking 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You guys have motivated me to get back into making asoiaf videos so ty!

  • @countbalerionofhousetatter2624
    @countbalerionofhousetatter2624 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Second queen, after Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra has an army! I hope the bit about dragons doesn't mean Dany's literal dragons are in any way involved. No Evil Dany, please!

  • @brandonlambert9768
    @brandonlambert9768 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for keeping me entertained during the quarantine.

  • @CaptainSportExtreme
    @CaptainSportExtreme 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally! I was starting to be worried that you had stopped this serie. Don't you dare!! I love your various insights and analysis of the books.
    Great content, as always. Thanks also to give some attention to a couple of characters that are less present in the books but are as enigmatic and relevant to the story.

  • @obsidian00
    @obsidian00 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Shireen is lovable in both the books and the show...I don’t want a anything to happen to her but...

  • @lucasluu1919
    @lucasluu1919 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    keep this videos coming, they are awesome

  • @maxmanly3122
    @maxmanly3122 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love the many styles of Quinn. hope ye guys are taking this pandemic on your stride and thrive. great time for reflection, introspection and changing of routines! also a great time for asoiaf content! loving every video!

  • @luminyam6145
    @luminyam6145 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, thank you. I love these discussions.

  • @bevan7ful
    @bevan7ful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank god I thought y’all weren’t gonna continue this series! I’m so hype for your rickon prediction! He’s looks so bad ass in the teaser.

  • @bobbehwitchie
    @bobbehwitchie 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved this video fellas, can't wait for the next!

  • @chakka3000
    @chakka3000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice to see a new video!!

  • @doubtfuldoug2689
    @doubtfuldoug2689 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Holy F***ing S***, it's Quinn.
    The man who predicted the downfall of GOT before it even happened. Quinn is a absolute true fan!

  • @thisguy8106
    @thisguy8106 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Jon would hate it if he learned a little girl was burned so that he could be brought back.. there will be conflict from that, for sure!

  • @mattkemerait
    @mattkemerait 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    One of my favorite aspects of this entire series is Patchface. Can't wait to see where this goes. Still hyped for TWoW TO THIS DAY!!!

  • @timothythorne9182
    @timothythorne9182 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is definitely my favorite format for these videos. I know you two moved... I hope it was closer together

  • @Bluemilk92
    @Bluemilk92 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have no idea how much I love that you stuck that little chibi G.R.R.M doll inside the Weirwood cup.

  • @nathanroberts8654
    @nathanroberts8654 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So fucking happy to see this new video popped up!! Love your all’s collaborations. Keep em coming

  • @Vidacaangel1318
    @Vidacaangel1318 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this video!i rewatch this 1

  • @lordodysseus
    @lordodysseus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If the reader is present for the burning of Shireen, it will almost certainly be a Mel POV. Jon is dead (for now), Davos will be marshalling an army to retake the Wall and George says she's misunderstood. Well, put us in her mind and show us how she feels about killing a little girl. It has the potential to be one of the best scenes in the entire series. Or maybe the wildlings will misunderstand her burning rituals and kill Shireen because of the greyscale, which will really upset Mel. I don't think Mel will purposely kill Shireen for any reason. Even for Jon. She needs a king's blood and Mance's son (that definitely wasn't swapped with Craster's son) will probably be used to bring Jon back. but he'll be more like Lady Stoneheart than Beric. It'd be an interesting sort of irony. Two of the characters who want nothing to do with each other are now more alike than anyone else in the Seven Kingdoms. I mean, there are a hundred thousand similar people north of the Wall, but that's not the Seven Kingdoms. And if we're sticking with the last thoughts of undead characters being their motivation in their new lives, Beric hunting the Moutain, Cat's hatred of the Freys, then Jon will likely spend the remainder of his existence killing turncloaks, whipping betrayal from the face of the earth.
    I got sidetracked. Sorry. I don't have any theories about Patcheface, but I think his songs and rhymes are more important than anyone realizes.

  • @laurencehoffelder1579
    @laurencehoffelder1579 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just a random input about this scene: In the german version the forshadowing works a little different as Snow (Jon) and snow are both written capital in german so we dont get the hint in the Mel chapter. Therfore they changed this quote to something like: every time I ask Rhollor for the king he only shows me you (to Jon Snow). Implying also she always saw him when she asks for Azor Ahai when she saw s/Snow

    • @laurencehoffelder1579
      @laurencehoffelder1579 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I looked this chapter up and it turns out it wasnt this chapter/qoute that was altered. Could be that I was misreading something but I remember beeing supprised because Mel was so direkt to Jon. If I find it I will comment the exact quote translated.

  • @seriferman1438
    @seriferman1438 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Guys you make the wait on wofw worth while! Love you 2 working together. Keep up the good work!
    God as a mother I dread the idea of a sacrificed Shireen. And I hope we learn more about patch face in the upcoming book. Quin did a video bout him and ever since I hope to learn more

  • @reaver4549
    @reaver4549 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good episode. Nice braids Quin!

  • @mjean6762
    @mjean6762 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh how I've missed you guys!!

  • @idideleven
    @idideleven 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    About time!

  • @simonat7256
    @simonat7256 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man, I had a mini heart attack when a saw it first thing on notifications. Keep up with this stuff guys its unbelievable!! (Also Patchface has the most fucked up lines in the book imo and I love it)

  • @krakentacos
    @krakentacos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was hoping you would wear your Patchface costume.
    Great video guys👍👍👍

  • @prof.cecilycogsworth3204
    @prof.cecilycogsworth3204 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for a thought-provoking video on my favourite princess and her fool.

  • @Mr.PepeSilvia
    @Mr.PepeSilvia 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lmao I needed that Little finger joke. Great video LML and Quinn 👍

  • @cjdayne3033
    @cjdayne3033 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think I speak for everyone when I say we can never have enough ASOIAF videos from you guys

  • @ghazalrastegar2514
    @ghazalrastegar2514 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You guys are the best!!! Love, from Iran😊😊😊😊

  • @wills.1978
    @wills.1978 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Patchface continues to be the character that is the most interesting to me, and really MISSING him in the show.

  • @BenLaSoul908
    @BenLaSoul908 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Niiice
    Didn't know there was episode coming out today

  • @prestoncox585
    @prestoncox585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank y'all and I hope you're both staying safe 🖖🤙

  • @countbalerionofhousetatter2624
    @countbalerionofhousetatter2624 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Oh, nearly forgot. One thing that made the show plot even worse is this: Stannis is desperate over a snowstorm, yes? But how can the storm be that bad if Ramsay and Twenty Good Men can set ... whatever it was on fire? A blizzard would put the fire out, no? Snow is H20, basic chemistry?

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It was all terrible right there

    • @kyanchambers260
      @kyanchambers260 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dont underestimate ser Twenty of the house Goodmen

  • @ginnyofnewstone6142
    @ginnyofnewstone6142 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I hope Patchface will find a way to get Shireen or get her remains to the sea ask "The King of The Mer-People to bring her back like he did him (or so the theories say) but instead the Mer-people King does bring her back but for himself as his queen or she comes back more crazy than Patchface and Patchface and Shireen go make a life together in like some F-ed up place like Ashai or in the actual shadow.

  • @tokyoinooshi4836
    @tokyoinooshi4836 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Incredible breakdown as always guys!! Easy on the eyes too 😏 hehe

  • @thisguy8106
    @thisguy8106 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've also been wondering if there could be any way that Shireen dies accidentally, and in a sort of mirroring of Dany pulling off whatever she did to hatch dragons, somehow Shireen's death is "turned into a spell" that ends up bringing Jon back.. 🤔

    • @donaldjgumpofficial5754
      @donaldjgumpofficial5754 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wonder what will happen between the Queen's men, and team Stannis in general versus the nightswatch men now that the one keeping everything together is dead.

    • @thisguy8106
      @thisguy8106 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@donaldjgumpofficial5754 ikr!!! Im so ready for the book to come out

  • @saltwater6773
    @saltwater6773 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your patchface singing voice

  • @helenwhitlock7598
    @helenwhitlock7598 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video guys. Been loving all the theories and predictions. I always thought patchface was to do with grey scale. Val warns Jon shireen isn't clean and who spends the most time with shireen? Depending on timeline, either Shireen's sacrafice could flip Patchface out and he starts biting everyone, or the grey scale plague happens first and shireen is sacraficed to try and stop the spread. Thoughts?

  • @mrowr4097
    @mrowr4097 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Both looking FLY as F 😎 keep up the good lore work

  • @johnmontag
    @johnmontag 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank u 2 for making these video's. I LOVE ASOIAF content, but especially now. With the lockdown in effect, we all can use more great content like this.......😀

  • @SUPERHONEYBUNNY
    @SUPERHONEYBUNNY 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    We've already seen that Beric and even Catelyn didn't require a fire and blood sacrifice. So why would Jon? I mean, is there evidence that Mel failed red priestess school? I think the burning is for Stannis. Because what else would you do when you think the most important person in the world has died? You pull out all the stops. Maybe by proxy Jon will be revived instead (bc Stannis isn't dead). Then Mel will go on thinking that Jon is Azor Ahai instead and then Stannis will come back. Very messy.

  • @andyharmer32
    @andyharmer32 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loving these predictions so far any plans for some on little finger? He seems to important to go out like he did on the show

  • @TheAnakinn
    @TheAnakinn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your Patchface voice!

  • @Hernameispamela
    @Hernameispamela 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can’t be the only one who prefers Quinn without the fedora hat! Hahaha Nice job doggie! Awesome content as always guys! I am rereading the books and these insights are really helpful!

  • @and10ca
    @and10ca 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I always thought that the king seen by Stannis in the flames and who is turned into ashes by his fire crown, is Viserys, when Khal Drogo crowns him with melted gold. I thought Stannis and Melissandre were again misled by the flames. Doesn't it make sense?

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Never considered that... Could be, but the then applies to Stannis either way

  • @FdotStizzy
    @FdotStizzy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I really believe that after hearing Stannjs is dead in the pink letter(I don’t think he’s really dead)selyse it Mel will burn shireen asking to bring back azor ahai/ the prince that was promised and Jon will rise back from the dead...and that will be when Mel starts to support Jon instead of Stannis

    • @realworldforum
      @realworldforum 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well maybe not, because Stannis is far from the wall and they may not be able to do that, even though it is a good idea. Most likely Shireen will be used to bring Jon back, after Melisandre confirms that he should be brought back. But she has never brought anyone back,or has nor met Beric Dondarrion so she knows that she can bring him back

    • @donaldjgumpofficial5754
      @donaldjgumpofficial5754 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why would Melisandre support Jon over Stannis? Couldn't she see the value in both of them and value them equally?

    • @FdotStizzy
      @FdotStizzy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Donald J Gump Official because Mel is a religious zealot who wholeheartedly believes that stannis is the prince that was promised/azor ahai...the moment jon comes back to life she will switch to supporting Jon.

  • @commanderdanielcousland9981
    @commanderdanielcousland9981 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    White Walkers already have two wights inside, Jon had two corpses brought in and had them watched but after his death there might be no one being told to watch them...

  • @cs-paranormal
    @cs-paranormal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your videos! Do you know what that eerie/scary music you use at the beginning is called? The one you play when you read off the chapter text.

  • @88TMV88
    @88TMV88 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    best podcast duo ever

  • @jenniferwood144
    @jenniferwood144 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    How does a Father and Mother come to gripes with murdering BY fire their only child. How.
    You destroy your own life.

  • @electrikjimmy608
    @electrikjimmy608 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awwwe snap! This episode is going to be so badass!

  • @RomanBaker23
    @RomanBaker23 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not sure if I'm late to the party here, but Quinn is rockin them rows.

  • @kaiw522
    @kaiw522 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The winds of winter are blowing... yaaaaaay another one!

  • @mrgreatauk
    @mrgreatauk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching all these videos I'm starting to question how George is going to fit all the different plot threads into one book! Going to be a big one...

  • @olalustig5397
    @olalustig5397 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should do a reading of the book,with the right matching audio background just like you did in the begining of the video

  • @Pastafari4
    @Pastafari4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The burning stag representation actually makes me wonder if perhaps even Stannis might end up being burned, whether at a pyre or not. Could even be a element of the Battle of Ice ploy going awry