I never touched any books. Didnt even watch the TV show except for clips on youtube and I watched all his videos. They are just so calm and entertaining
I think the reason Quaithe speaks in riddles rather than plainly to Dany is that Quaithe is repeating something she herself doesn't understand which she learned from a book or vision. I don't think her understanding of prophecy is any better than Melisandre's, but she knows just enough to pass the hints along to the correct listener.
Hagar was in the black cells to kill Ned. Little finger hired him. The last thing Littlefinger would have wanted was a very alive Ned taking the black and telling everyone that it was him(LF) who betrayed him. Up to the point where Joffrey asked for his head, everyone (Cersei, varyis, etc) all thought Ned was taking the black.
Good point. I do wonder why he didn't kill Ned though. He had time. If Rugen the gaoler was actually Varys, maybe Varys was able to intervene, though you'd think Jaqen would have been able to get in there and kill Ned pretty quickly.
I’m not sure how long jaquen was there (in Westeros let alone how long he was in the black cells) He could have been just plotting out how he was gonna do it. There wasn’t a lot of time between LF betraying Ned and the amount of time it would take to contact the faceless men, hire one and get them over from bravos and into the black cells. But LF could never have an alive Ned.
@@Jasonvollero According to Sansa's recollection of Ned holding court, among the business he handled was giving Yoren permission to take prisoners from the dungeons. Jaquen was probably already in the dungeons long before Ned fell. The regime that took over would be highly unlikely to be so generous as to provide Yoren with recruits and the considerable quantity of supplies described as accompanying Yoren & co north. While it's possible that Yoren leveraged his escorting Ned north to get the supplies and more recruits, the way he talks about it, Ned was the last minute addition to his party, and he does not mention the caged prisoners being tacked on as well. So as best as we have it, Jaquen was already intended to go north with Yoren long before anyone had a hint that Ned might be in their company as well. To suggest Littlefinger had a Faceless Man inserted into the group to kill Ned as a mere contingency plan is a bit tinfoil hat, and ascribing god-like powers of prediction to Petyr. Anyway, he is far and away the most plausible candidate to have masterminded Ned's actual death. He brags to Sansa of his ability to manipulate Joffrey. Slynt is suggested to have known beforehand about the plan to behead him when the rest of the establishment expected he would be pardoned, and he is indicated on more than one occasion as being on Littlefinger's payroll. Littlefinger was noted by Arya as being present for the execution, but while the reactions of the other councillors to Joffrey's sentence are described, indicating their resistance or disapproval, there is a suspicious lack of mention of his reaction. He, more than anyone, is a suspect for planting the idea in Joffrey's mind and in arranging the details to see it was carried out before anyone with sense could prevent it. Why would he go to all that bother when he already had a Faceless Man engaged, at what would have to be considerable expense, to untraceably kill Ned in the dungeon or the trip north?
@@Gunleaver varys was surprised by neds beheading. cersei was surprised. Hiring the faceless assassins was LF way to make sure Ned died in the black cells or on the trip to the wall. He couldnt have an alive Ned uner any circumstances
The connection of Patchface and de Drowned God is really quite interesting. The ironborn always say: "Under the sea there is a never ending feast". Patchface however says something like: "Over the sea, man feast on fish. Under the sea the fish feast on men." That all doesn't really look all to good for the ironborn and perhaps the drowned god really is just a slave to the Great Other (because he lets his fish feast of men) as Moqorro says. That would explain why Melisandre is affraid of Patchface
@@pamelaguerra3768 it is something that Moqorro says. Moqorro is a priest of Rhollor, perhaps the most high ranking of them all and his predictions seem to be verry accurate in contrast to what we see from Melisandre.
@@laurencehoffelder1579 his prophecies are rather vague they aren't as good as mellisandres prophecies most of them were just about finding trading ships and some ironborn ships in an busy route and one weather forecast they aren't as good
@@laurencehoffelder1579 "Moqorro is a priest of Rhollor, perhaps the most high ranking of them all" Bold claim, from someone with absolutely zero actual sources for this. (The ASOIAF wiki also states Moqorro's "predictions appear to be more accurate" than Melisandre's, however this line is immediately followed by the dreaded "(Citation Needed)", and again, none is provided. We do have examples of Moqorro's Predictions (or predictions atributed to him). He knows that the first ship (Selaesori Qhoran) he takes on route to Qarth will never reach it's destination, HOWEVER, this was told to him by Benerro, the actual High Red Priest that sent him on his mission. He then "foresees" that a storm will hit the ship and prevent it from reaching Qarth, but again, he already knew of this before he even started his journey, and we have no idea (and no way of knowing) exactly what Benerro foresaw and later told Moqorro. Even if Benerro ONLY saw the ship failing to reach Qarth but not the cause, it's kinda easy for Moqorro to assume "storm" when sailing through a stormy area, ESPECIALLY when he already knows the ship will NOT reach it's destination. THen when he meets Victarion he tells him A) he already knows Victarion is sailing to meet Daenerys, B) Victarion will die if his arm wound is left untreated. For A), again, he could've just been told this by Benerro, who specifically sent Moqorro to Qarth to meet Daenerys as well, and already had prior knowledge that his original ship would sink in this area before he got to Qarth. Again, absolutely zero way of knowing is Moqorro foresaw this, figured it out, or was plainly told about it even before his journey started. For B), Cmon.Victarion has an OBVIOUS wound, that has been left untreated for A LONG TIME. His hand was injuried EVEN BEFORE Euron told him to sail to Daenerys. Moqorro needed to make absolutely ZERO predictions about Victarions hand, all he had to do was fucking smell it and go "yep, you gonna die from that bro, holy fuck, look at it, Jesus fkn christ". Again, zero actual predictions made so far. Then, he "predicts" and "convinces" Victarion that throwing Kerwin overboard would grant them favorable winds. Except he might not have predicted anything, as we have no further comments on the "winds" or how "favourable" they are (or otherwise), after Kerwin is killed, Aaand he certainlly didn't convince Victarion of anything, as the man totes already wanted Kerwin super tripledead, as he thinks Kerwin is poisoning him at the behest of Euron and is the reason why his arm is all fucked up and not healing in the first place. He has shown actual Magic, by "healing" Victarions totally fucked up smelly pus-filled yeah-you-need-to-amputate-this-shit-or-you-will-die-for-sure arm, but all in all, as far as "seeing into the future" goes, Moqorro has a grant total sum of zero point zero true predictions that can actually be atributed to him "actually predicting" stuff. Take that as you will.
It's believable that the Faceless infiltrated the Citadel on their own, or at least by bidding of the Iron Bank. The Bravoosi are still pissed with dragons that you can't even joke about them with Tycho around.
There should not be any confusion about Maynard Plumm. He is clearly Bloodraven in disguise. He is using the very similar spell to the one Melisadre uses to disguise Mance Rayder as Rattleshirt at the Wall. Plumm, like Rayder/Rattleshirt wears a prominent gem, and when his face is in shadows, Dunk thinks he looks different. The thing about being related "distantly" to House Plumm is a reference to the fact that Bloodraven's father, King Aegon IV, very likely fathered the supposed son of Ossifer Plumm. Ossifer was married by royal command to Aegon's cousin Princess Elaena, and she gave birth to his son and heir Viserys, so long after his death, that people joke that Lord Plumm must have had a six foot long penis (to poke out of the grave to get Elaena pregnant, since he was clearly dead & buried at the time her child was conceived). So Viserys Plumm is probably the half-brother of Bloodraven. Maynard even jokes about being a son of Aegon IV.
Patchface is probably an actual prophet of the Drowned God. Physical trauma seems to be a big thing in awakening individuals to their paranormal abilities. Bran had his fall, Euron Greyjoy mentions a similar experience to Bran's after a childhood illness. Dany resurrects the dragon eggs by her self-immolation. Contra the show, her hair was all burned off, so it's not like she was magically immune to fire. It could very well be that Patchface's drowning somehow obtained the attention of the Drowned God or at least some preternatural aquatic entity who is known to humans as the Drowned God, but is not quite what the ironborn think it to be. Just as Dany got her life back from whatever power brought the dragons to life, or Beric did from Rhollor, so did Patchface from the water-being (maybe a version of Cthulhu or Dagon?), along with some insights that have damaged his mind too much to properly articulate.
I’m not sure he’s a profit of the drowned god because idt the characters conceptions of the supernatural correspond to how it functions. Like is is a dualistic struggle between good and evil? Is it a polytheistic system with multiple gods in different domains? We will never know
@@imalwaysbluffing I think Rhollor & the Drowned God are real preternatural entities, though not necessarily what their followers believe them to be. I think Euron's plans included summoning the entity the Ironborn believe to be the Drowned God for the next phase in his plans. Martin has thrown in a lot of Lovecraftian Easter Eggs, and I think tDG is going to be some sort of dormant eldritch horror. I don't think there is any ordered pantheon like the gods of Mount Olympus or the Aesir, there are just a lot of different human belief systems, but some of them are directed at real entities, or based on some paranormal knowledge, though long forgotten and distorted by the religions' agendas and environments. If there is magic, if there can be dragons and Others and other such creatures, it stands to reason there are even more powerful magical beings.
Who hired Jacquen Heagar? My hunch says Euron Greyjoy. First off, he hired a Faceless Man to kill his brother, Baylon. Next, he is very interested in Danny's dragons possibly already having the mythologised horn Dragon Binder in his clutches. And he is going to be attacking Old Town where the Citadel is shortly. Yes, there's other candidates but Euron makes a compelling argument.
I always thought that Maynard Plum was really Bloodraven. I seem to recall that he wore some sort of gemstone that may have worked as a glamour, similar to Melisandre's ruby.
I don't think Quaithe is really a character so much as a plot device. Her prophecies might also be references to abandoned plot elements. I think Martin has stated we won't be seeing Asshai in the series, but that might have originally been his intention for Dany to go there at some point in the Five Year Gap that was abandoned while writing Books 4 & 5.
Imo Viserys was just a backup plan, and Danny a pawn to win over the Dothraki, if Faegon is actually Rhaegars son then he's the first in line and has the largest claim to the throne / attention dedicated to his devlopment.
I think the multiple plans varys wasn't to confuse readers but just because varys is a smart man and he understand how volatile the world of asoif can get so he had multiple backups
What did the professional assassin do to get put in the black cells? Gee, let me guess. The Faceless Men are not superpowered. He killed someone and got caught. He probably accepted being taken to the Wall, because it would be much easier to escape once he got to where he would be let out of the cage. There is also the distinct possibility that he is some sort of renegade. It seems likely he is working with Euron, since his agenda is getting in with the group that studies magic and he stole Pate's identity and the key to the Citadel's most secret resources. With Euron bearing down on Oldtown with a clear paranormal agenda, having used a Faceless Man to kill his brother, according to the vision of the seeress the Brotherhood consults, and a Faceless Man infiltrating the Citadel with a similar focus on the paranormal, it seems unlikely to be a coincidence. Also, remember, Sam still has the horn that Jon Snow found wrapped up with a cache of magical weapons. If that stuff was stashed fairly recently for the Nights Watch to find (hence the black cloak that hasn't rotted or faded to unrecognizability), why include the horn with a bunch of weapons whose only real use is against the Others? A few corrections on the Faceless Men - we never see any weapons training for Arya in the books. She is trained to use poison and to observe and gather information. We see Jaqen use these skills, but little sign of any extraordinary combat ability. He uses poison to kill Pate, and make Weese's dog attack him, he pushes Chiswyck (and possibly Balon) from a high place and kills a few guards catching them by surprise, with the help of a couple of brutes (and bear in mind, they were not named official targets to kill in the name of his god - they were a side job he had to do to have his own death-mark removed). The Kindly Man scoffs at Arya's proposal to kill her target in open combat. Also, the Faceless Men do not work for profit. They do not charge set high prices for their skills, they take a portion of their clients' property, because death is sacred to them, and if you want the help of the Nameless God, you have to offer a suitable sacrifice. A poor person who wanted someone dead badly enough could buy their services for an objectively miniscule price, he does not have much to give. The rich and powerful pay exorbitant fees because they have so much. How could the defrauded clients of the insurance salesman afford an exorbitant fee, if their whole motivation is that they are broke because the insurance won't pay out.
@@rwatts53 It is not known. If it is, give me a quote. The only times a price rate is mentioned it entails the relative wealth of the CLIENT. They take a third of the wealth of the waif's father. As I said above, how could someone impoverished by the insurance seller's refusal to pay out a policy, afford the fees to kill a wealthy man? The proportion of payment was set by the first petitioner to pray for another to receive the gift of the Many Faced God, he was demanded to pay with his life, since it was all he owned. Not because of the status of the target. It fits with the ideology. The Many Faced God gets everyone in the end, regardless of wealth and power, so it does not make sense to value the life of the high and mighty as greater than the poor. What matters is the degree to which the petitioner desires the Gift to be given. That it is a portion of your wealth also fits with the whole "everyone is the same when it comes to death" thing. If they charged by the target, rich petitioners could afford more powerful targets. If they charged a flat rate, some could never afford them. But anyone can pay a third of their goods, from a king to a beggar. Furthermore, the waif's father was a rich merchant, who wanted his wife to die for what she did to his daughter. Was their price equivalent to a third of a rich man's wealth because that's how highly valued a second wife is? At that rate, how could a defrauded client ever possibly hope to afford the price of a successful businessman who deals in so much gold coin that it is easy to note and chart his god handling habits? And how did Arya know the exact rate they charged the waif's father, unless it was a standard rate?
Yeah, I blame action movies for making people think assassins are undefeatable warriors. Being able to secretly kill someone and defeating someone in a combat are completely different skill sets.
My personal take is that there was a man from Lorath called Jaqen H'ghar in the black cells. Littlefinger then sent a request to the faceless men to kill Ned at the wall. Once that had been sent, The House of Black and White sent a faceless man to KL, where they bodysnatched Jaqen and wore his face so he'd be taken to the wall. Rorge and Biter saw this happen, and shat themselves, hence why they're terrified of him
Goddamn i love you. I have adhd and i can only read like 30 pages a decade but i love fantasy. Its such a curse and people like you literally let me learn about these amazing Worlds
Have you tried the audio books? My partner has ADD and they found that they couldn't handle the audio books, but they could focus on reading when they were hooked on the idea of the books. I prefer audio though because I can do other stuff while I listen, also Roy Dotrice is a legend, his voice acting opens you up to a whole other world of ASOIAF memes lol 😅 Harry Lloyd, visarys from the show, is the VA for the egg and dunk books. He does a good job too. I hope you find a way to absorb these books for yourself 😊
Maynard Plumm *is* Blood Raven being masked by magic, like how the red woman does with Stannis. Notice how Maynard wears a large opal brooch similar to what the red woman wears
Remember how a ship of merchants went west and came back in the east side of the known word I think that's what Quaithe mean when she said to reach the west you must go east since magic is real it might be possible.
what if Patches is just playing dumb to be an observer and is gonna turn out to be a major player in the GoT? Knowledge seems to be a powerful weapon in this series
I doubt Varys knew about the plan to marry Viserys & Arianne. He would have taken steps to end it. As the video says, getting Viserys too much local support does not work with his plans. He is counting on Doran being the brother of Aegon's mother, Elia Martell, to get Dorne on his team. If Viserys is married to the heir to Dorne that messes everything up. As for the idea that he must know, I doubt he was keeping that close of a watch or actually managing their affairs. Viserys & Dany were not an essential part of Varys & Illyrio's plot, as Ilyrio was perfectly willing to let Viserys go off with the Dothraki and expected Dany to die among them. Their interest in the Mad King's children was as a threat they could use against Westeros, for Aegon to save the realm. If anything, they'd want Aerys' children out of the way so their candidate's claim to the throne isn't complicated by the people every has assumed are the actual Targaryen heirs. The plan to marry Viserys to Arianne was conducted in such secrecy neither of the couple knew. Braavos has no interest in letting their participation get out, so how would Varys have found out? What informant would have told him? The Martells and Viserys' guardian handled the matter personally, without intermediaries. As for informing Robert about Danys' circumstances, that way Varys is in control of what Robert learns and when, and he can also shape the reaction of the Baratheon regime to the news. He didn't order the assassination, he ordered a deliberately botched attempt and warned Jorah about it, in order to ingratiate his operative with Drogo & Dany, to alert the Dothraki to a potential threat and to provoke Drogo into reacting to the attempt, because the plan for Drogo is to create a crisis that weakens Westeros to open a path for his candidate. The idea to marry Aegon & Dany is a late addition, when she turned up with actual dragons, which are a huge symbol of Targaryen legitimacy in Westeros. It might very well be Ilyrio's exclusive notion, since dragon's don't really fit with Varys' anti-magic position and idealistic agenda to prevent collateral damage and the suffering of innocents in war. Varys & Ilyrio might be buds but it seems like each has his own agenda with Aegon. Varys is all about getting a candidate he has groomed to be the perfect leader on the throne, while Illyrio is personally invested in Aegon. Some suspect he is Illyrio's son by his second wife, who resembles Dany and might be a descendant of the Blackfyre pretenders or possibly of King Jaehaerys' daughter who fled to Lys, the city Ilyrio's wife came from. Varys has no problem getting his hands dirty. Unlike Littlefinger, he is not in this for his own gain, but for a cause. He sees himself as the guy who does the dirty work to allow a True King to take the throne who will rule WITHOUT dirty tactics. Varys does the murders, so Aegon can reign justly and honorably. Even if a witness comes forward when Aegon's claim is being debated to accuse Varys, there's nothing tying it to Aegon. All that is harmed is Varys' credibility, and as a foreign eunuch in the dishonorable profession of spymaster, he had very little respect or credibility anyway in Westeros, where people are always willing to believe the worst of his sort. Even Aegon's opponents might begrudgingly concede you can't hold a noble-blooded prince accountable for what some slimy foreigner might do. King Jaehaerys is and was always beloved by the people of the realm even though his foreign-born treasurer was hated and murdered by a mob. Killing Kevan and Pycelle were important enough for Varys to get his hands dirty anyway. In the same book where Littlefinger preaches "always make sure your hands are clean" he pushes Lysa off a cliff, because he has seen that her irrationality and emotional outbursts have made her a severe liability to him. In Varys' case, he needed to get the sensible and competent adults of the Lannister faction out of the way, because they were both trying to work with the Tyrells. Varys wants the Tyrells fighting the Lannisters for control of Tommen and the throne. Furthermore, eliminating a Lannister and a Lannister loyalist will ramp up Cersei's paranoia and drive her to commit further acts against the Tyrells or maybe a witch hunt to find Tyrion and his supporters whom she will believe guilty. All in all, he's trying to stir up her tyrannical tendencies to destabilize Tommen's reign. If Kevan can convince Mace to play nice and work with the Lannisters, Aegon's road to the throne is a lot tougher, but as we've seen with Cersei, she can't even see the value of the Tyrells. It's Jaime who comes up with the idea to use Mace to take Storm's End, and Cersei whereas Cersei's attitude even back in Book 3 is "Screw the Tyrells, who cares what they think?"
As silly this may sound I think house Frey has a few mysterious characters Theo, Walder Frey (the original) Old Nan + some others I think George is up to something here
I don't know anything about Patchface as 1 we didn't get him in the book's ,as ive not read the book's but I've just listened to Danny's chapters on U Tube by David Reads asoiaf an luv them as so many things different or didn't happen in the show, so i know nothing about Patchface , where should i find him in the book's is he in it from the 1st book till A DWD
why did D&D drop the aegon story line, or any of the really cool interesting sub characters and sub plots. so annoying its so good yet its missing so much as a show its wild
I think a lot of people saw it as superfluous and maybe even balked at the idea of yet another Targaryen showing up in book 5, and that the show could cut this additional contender for the throne with no problems. It was not until we git the inept political plotlines of seasons 6-8 that Aegon's value became clear. The showwriters probably assumed they could merge Cersei with Aegon as Dany's final political opponent, and that it would be better because the audience would be more invested in Dany v Cersei than Dany v NewGuy. The problem was, Cersei means nothing to Dany. Dany doesn't know her or care about her. She does know Ilyrio and if she knows Varys, it is as her father's faithful councilor. She cares about her family and its legacy and being the last Targaryen. Learning that her brother's son is alive would be huge for her. Learning that her supposed ally Ilyrio, who arranged her marriage and sent Barristan with 3 ships to bring her home, is behind another Targaryen who is claiming the throne she sees as hers, that her father's last servants are also in on this plot is going to be DEVASTATING to her. Also, by the time Dany returns to Westeros, Cersei is going to be a spent force. She's alienated all the powers of the realm, her only adherents are weak people who need her support and don't bring real power to her side. She's not a threat, and the show had to invent nonsense to give her soldiers and financial support, as well as having Team Dany screw up left and right and give Euron the ability to conjure a fleet from thin air and teleport to wherever he is needed, in order to whittle Dany's force down to prevent her from steamrolling Cersei in 7.02. Note that Randyll Tarly and the Golden Company are on ShowCersei's team. In the books, the GC is for Aegon and they've seeded stuff to suggest Randyll might go over as well. The GC members mention having friends in the Reach, and they originated as a rebel movement displeased with the Targaryen king's assimilation policy toward Dorne. The Tarlys have historically been responsible for guarding the border with Dorne, making them prime candidates to have taken the rebels' side along with the ancestors of the GC. Also, Randyll is proud of, and sensitive regarding, his martial reputation. He won the royalists' most significant victory over Robert during the Rebellion, but Mace Tyrell has taken all the credit. When House Florent was attained and disinherited for following Stannis, that includes Lord Alester & his only son. His eldest daughter OTOH, is Randyll's wife. By rights, the Florents' lands and castle should go to her and Randyll and their kids. What's more, the Florents seem to have a claim on Highgarden from the Gardener kings who ruled before the Targaryens came and gave Highgarden and the Reach to the Tyrells. Instead, the Heir to Highgarden is Willas Tyrell, a cripple who likes books and can't fight, and the Florents' stuff was given to Garlan Tyrell, instead of Mrs Tarly. That grant was made at a meeting Randyll missed, because he was in the field, winning their side's only victory against King Robb's troops. Put all this stuff together and you have a situation tailor-made to build up resentment in Randyll against the Tyrells, who are robbing him of his wife's rightful inheritance, and putting a weak and unworthy lord above him, who is just like the son he hated and sent to the Wall. So when his ancestors' old allies come back to Westeros behind a handsome young prince, who led a successful attack on Storm's End, looking for allies against the Tyrells who are propping up King Tommen (a soft, fat boy -just like Sam- [Sam who? Randyll's only son is bold young Dickon]), I think Randyll is going to be among the first to swear fealty to Aegon VI. Maybe even kill or hand over to Aegon Margaery and her cousins whom he is holding for their trials. It makes zero sense for misogynist Randyll to join Team Cersei as on the show, but he's the best candidate outside of the Martells (committed by Arianne, who is looking to one-up Quentyn) to join Aegon and the Golden Company against _some woman_ with a dwarf adviser and an army of eunuchs and Dothraki savages. That's how it seems to me the show tries to cut and paste Aegon's regime onto Cersei's as the ones holding the throne when Dany arrives in Westeros. It also makes sense of her issues with Jon in spite of his explicit and overt loyalty and devotion to her cause, if she has already been burned by one 'son of Rhaegar' bring revealed.
Now here’s a theory, I might be wrong, I think patchface has somehow made connection to the drowned gods probably seen the watery halls. In book Iron islands people drown their own to see if they come back alive, I think patchface has gotten that “blessing” you can say. For his riddle I think he’s alluding to young fish Victorian teaching Euron some lesson, a revenge of sorts. That’s just my 2 sense. 😄
I'm still at the first book and i wanna know, how come bran not remember anything from his fall? Or why haven't robb or maester luwin ask bran what happened?
I think you were a little confused when you kept referring to Maynard Plumm as the Three Eyed Raven lol. Maynard Plumm=Brynden Rivers=Bloodraven=3 Eyed Raven. 3 Eyed Crow=GOT TV show stuff
Despite Varys being suspicious and no one can trust him, specially with his praises and him know everything with his little birds he actually wish for the good of the realm, when Ned came to kingslanding he tried to help him but Ned didn't wish for his support because he doesn't trust him, later when Tyrion showed up Varys offered his support and Tyrion accepted it he even told and dispatched assassins on Daenerys, as for why he killed Kevan even tho Kevan was doing a good job to stable the kingdom, he saw it was a hopeless cause thus killing him to ease the way for Aegon as he was the best card for Varys to have a stable realm.
The most logical explanation is that Faegon was a late addition to GRRM's plans. Maybe way into the story - when he realized he could expand the books all the way to seven at least. If Faegon was always a part of Varys/Illyrio's plans, then the Viserys storyline makes no sense at all.
Actually, it makes no sense without Aegon. It's never resolved in the only early book in which Illyrio appears on the page, just what his motives are. Dany wonders, and Viserys claims he seeks the favor of a restored king, but he also just kind of shrugs at the idea of Viserys going off with Drogo's khalasar, when he has to know that Viserys' arrogance and shaky grasp on reality don't bode well for his life expectancy. He's clearly not in this for Viserys. From what he & Varys say when Arya overhears them in the tunnels below the Red Keep, they want Drogo to attack Westeros more than they care about getting the Targaryens back on the throne. The next time we hear about Illyrio is when Barristan & Belwas join Dany at the end of book 2, with three ships to bring Dany & her people back to Illyrio, citing her dragons as a factor in his decision to send them & the ships. But this is also in the same book where Varys tells Tyrion that he will do anything to stop Stannis from getting the throne if Stannis is, in fact, using magic. Yet Illyrio & Varys are conspiring together. It's the reveal of Aegon as the subject of their conspiracy that we get answers to what they are up to in the first place, and why their approaches differ in some aspects. Varys is in it for the greater good, he wants what is best for the realm, and sees Aegon, raised & trained according to his prescriptions to be the ideal ruler, as that answer. Illyrio, meanwhile, appears to be personally invested in Aegon himself. Varys, who cares about collateral damage and innocent bystanders, would be leery at best of bringing dragons back to Westeros with their history indiscriminate destruction. The man who was mutilated for the sake of a sorcerous ritual would want nothing to do with dragons and their associations with magic. Illyrio, who cares about Aegon and wants him to succeed, regardless of whether or not he's a good ruler for the children of Westeros, is eager to marry him to Dany and obtain the dragons for his cause, because of the power and influence you can wield with dragons on your side. As for Aegon's late appearance, that's part of what Martin is deconstructing about this sort of concept. It's almost a fantasy cliche to have a hidden prince come out of nowhere to take his ancestral throne from the (presumably evil or incompetent) rulers who stole it from his family. It's a riff on stories as old as King Arthur, with Jon Connington standing in for Sir Hector, Rolly Duckfield as Sir Kay and Haldon as a proxy for Varys & Illyrio in the joint role as Merlin, orchestrating the return of the rightful king. Martin, who attributes his agenda in writing aSoI&F to the question of "what does it mean when it says Aragorn ruled wisely", is concerned about what a returning prince means for everyone else, outside of the prince and his friends. While the prince has been in hiding, _someone_ has been ruling the realm and doing their best to keep the nation functioning. There might be a lot of good guys honestly doing their best to serve the realm by working for the current regime. What does it mean for them to be branded as traitors when a new guy shows up? If the ruler is evil, wouldn't other good men be opposing him for their own reasons, and not in the name of the previous dynasty's true claimant? How does it look and feel to them, so suddenly have "the rightful king" suddenly take all the rewards of the conflict against the evil ruler. That's what we are supposed to feel when Aegon shows up at just the right moment, with his pre-assembled epic saga, his ideal mentors and elite loyal army, with people cheering him on. What about Jon Snow, the son of Prince Rhaegar whom we have been following this whole time? What about Daenerys, the daughter of the last Targaryen king? We've been following them closely, and seen how how they've had to struggle to get even as far as they have. Where Aegon's heritage meant he got a secret mentor and people looking out for him and training him and an army ready to follow him, it meant Jon had to be raised as a figure of scorn and suspicion because being known as Rhaegar's son would mean his death. He was hated in the home where he grew up by the closest thing to a mother he knew, for something he had not done. Dany had her childhood cut short by the death of her protector and grew up in the custody of a selfish, possibly mentally disturbed and definitely paranoid brother, and was married at 13 to a grown man with little consideration for her comfort or well-being and had to toughen up fast. Neither of them was given what Aegon was. And both Jon & Dany do good things. Jon fights to defend the realm and protect people from the Others. Dany fights to save people from slavers. Aegon's "struggles" are purely about his own self-promotion. He's not a bad person - he insisted that Tyrion be saved from the river, for instance, when most people would have left him for dead, rather than risk contagion - but he's never been through the wringer, either. Despite what Varys tells Kevan, he hasn't suffered the way Dany & Jon have and does NOT get what it's really like to be hungry or scared. For him it was all a form of playing, because his protectors would not let real danger or hardship threaten him. We're supposed to be annoyed at Aegon for coming in to steal what the Rules of Stories says should by rights be the reward of Jon or Dany. We've seen Stannis, Renly, Robb, Tyrion & Tywin, and the Greyjoys all struggling for several books to win a crown. Why is this kid, who didn't put in any real time or effort, getting what they wanted? And ultimately, I think, if he gets into a conflict with Jon or Dany, Aegon's going to come up short, because he hasn't be tested and toughed as they have. It's how Martin is showing us that you can't take shortcuts or raise a perfect king like a recipe, and that you shouldn't want that. He's showing us how rough it can really be to be a secret or hidden royal raised among the regular folk. It's not at all like Harry Potter suddenly getting the news that his sufferings are at an end because he's special and a wizard. Rather, being the children of the villains of Robert's Rebellion has put a target on the backs of Jon & Dany. Ned tells people Jon is his bastard, knowing that he will be looked down upon by almost everyone and even hated by Ned's wife, because that's still better than what the son of Rhaegar would face. Dany is used as a pawn in the schemes of Illyrio, Varys and Viserys, and marked for death by Robert and betrayed by Jorah, because of who her father was. Aegon shows up once we have seen all this, so we can see how empty a story is, when you just have the perfect king appear out of nowhere with everything handed to him.
I have a theory that Varys is Rhaegar, and someone else was glamored to look like him at the Ruby Ford. Its not airtight, but the reversed parallels between him & Tyrion, and Dunk & Egg are too extensive to ignore.
I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that Varys and Illyrio don’t completely trust each other and would keep some of their actions and plans secret from one another.
I think Varys is just making plans a b c d all the way to z as they go along in the wars of the kings, given the unpredictable nature of some characters(i.e Joffrey taking the head of Ned Stark)
I believe Jaqen was in the black cells because he knew Yoren would be coming. The only person who was missing on the ride to the wall, was one Ned Stark. I believe he was hired to kill Ned Stark.
If you want to see a really good video about patch face I saw one a month or two ago by Alt shift x that was solely about him and his unusual life and place in the world of game of thrones. That channel does a lot of really cool videos and is a nice companion to this channel.
Patchface notably talks like Aeron and Euron and is at the wall. Euron wants to cause an apocalypse. How would he ever bring down the wall while he literally on the other end of the continent tho? Why couldn't Euron warg into Patchface
@@hi-ls6lt The point is the same for the monarch being female. Nothing in the relationships would change if Elizabeth was male. I was just point out that a monarch can have more than one son, and the line of succession does not go through all the monarch's sons before it get to the grandsons as the first post implied.
Jaqen hagar got caught on purpose so he could meet and watch Arya I bet the preists know or see prophecies so they knew Arya would end up with yoren and they knew Arya would become a killer
Doubt GRRM will even bring these MIAs back into the 2 final books. He's created so many characters, it's all but impossible to bring the story to a proper conclusion in just 2 books. Robert Jordan went 14books!
I Love your content bro keep it coming. Personally the crown sits on Sire Patchface the man is frightening in too many ways. I also love minor character like Maynard Plum because they have such a microscopic impact until you gaze a bit further and realize that something doesn’t add up. Wouldn’t shock me if he’s one of them « secret Targaryen » working for the 3 eyed Raven 👀👀
Currently going through my first read of ASOI&F I'm only on a storm of swords but can't stop watching these vids 😅
You will be spoiled
I never touched any books. Didnt even watch the TV show except for clips on youtube and I watched all his videos. They are just so calm and entertaining
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@@watsonnis3404 def read the books I just started and already the context and details it adds to these is amazing
@@watsonnis3404 HAH wtf that is bizarre but I get it. just too bad the biggies are spoiled. still so much to delight in the books tho
I find Patchface completely unsettling. I think he is the Avatar of the Drowned God and will somehow be involved with Euron’s upcoming apocalypse.
I Always worry for Shireen when he appears
The avatar of the drowned God..interesting.
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He’s the death of the abomination known as Euron Greyjoy😈😈😈
@@paulsarnik8506H NO oh oh oh ohh
There was always something eerie about Patches and the way he sang
I think the reason Quaithe speaks in riddles rather than plainly to Dany is that Quaithe is repeating something she herself doesn't understand which she learned from a book or vision. I don't think her understanding of prophecy is any better than Melisandre's, but she knows just enough to pass the hints along to the correct listener.
that’s a really good theory honestly
I don't know if I agree, though it's a really interesting theory!
This is interesting
Hagar was in the black cells to kill Ned. Little finger hired him.
The last thing Littlefinger would have wanted was a very alive Ned taking the black and telling everyone that it was him(LF) who betrayed him.
Up to the point where Joffrey asked for his head, everyone (Cersei, varyis, etc) all thought Ned was taking the black.
Good point. I do wonder why he didn't kill Ned though. He had time. If Rugen the gaoler was actually Varys, maybe Varys was able to intervene, though you'd think Jaqen would have been able to get in there and kill Ned pretty quickly.
His family was from
Bravos and he even mentions in the book the cost of hiring a faceless man.
I’m not sure how long jaquen was there (in Westeros let alone how long he was in the black cells) He could have been just plotting out how he was gonna do it. There wasn’t a lot of time between LF betraying Ned and the amount of time it would take to contact the faceless men, hire one and get them over from bravos and into the black cells. But LF could never have an alive Ned.
@@Jasonvollero According to Sansa's recollection of Ned holding court, among the business he handled was giving Yoren permission to take prisoners from the dungeons. Jaquen was probably already in the dungeons long before Ned fell. The regime that took over would be highly unlikely to be so generous as to provide Yoren with recruits and the considerable quantity of supplies described as accompanying Yoren & co north. While it's possible that Yoren leveraged his escorting Ned north to get the supplies and more recruits, the way he talks about it, Ned was the last minute addition to his party, and he does not mention the caged prisoners being tacked on as well. So as best as we have it, Jaquen was already intended to go north with Yoren long before anyone had a hint that Ned might be in their company as well. To suggest Littlefinger had a Faceless Man inserted into the group to kill Ned as a mere contingency plan is a bit tinfoil hat, and ascribing god-like powers of prediction to Petyr. Anyway, he is far and away the most plausible candidate to have masterminded Ned's actual death. He brags to Sansa of his ability to manipulate Joffrey. Slynt is suggested to have known beforehand about the plan to behead him when the rest of the establishment expected he would be pardoned, and he is indicated on more than one occasion as being on Littlefinger's payroll. Littlefinger was noted by Arya as being present for the execution, but while the reactions of the other councillors to Joffrey's sentence are described, indicating their resistance or disapproval, there is a suspicious lack of mention of his reaction. He, more than anyone, is a suspect for planting the idea in Joffrey's mind and in arranging the details to see it was carried out before anyone with sense could prevent it. Why would he go to all that bother when he already had a Faceless Man engaged, at what would have to be considerable expense, to untraceably kill Ned in the dungeon or the trip north?
@@Gunleaver varys was surprised by neds beheading. cersei was surprised. Hiring the faceless assassins was LF way to make sure Ned died in the black cells or on the trip to the wall. He couldnt have an alive Ned uner any circumstances
The connection of Patchface and de Drowned God is really quite interesting. The ironborn always say: "Under the sea there is a never ending feast". Patchface however says something like: "Over the sea, man feast on fish. Under the sea the fish feast on men." That all doesn't really look all to good for the ironborn and perhaps the drowned god really is just a slave to the Great Other (because he lets his fish feast of men) as Moqorro says. That would explain why Melisandre is affraid of Patchface
i don't get how the drowned god is a slave of the great other, can you explain that further?
@@pamelaguerra3768 it is something that Moqorro says. Moqorro is a priest of Rhollor, perhaps the most high ranking of them all and his predictions seem to be verry accurate in contrast to what we see from Melisandre.
@@laurencehoffelder1579 his prophecies are rather vague they aren't as good as mellisandres prophecies most of them were just about finding trading ships and some ironborn ships in an busy route and one weather forecast they aren't as good
@@laurencehoffelder1579 "Moqorro is a priest of Rhollor, perhaps the most high ranking of them all"
Bold claim, from someone with absolutely zero actual sources for this. (The ASOIAF wiki also states Moqorro's "predictions appear to be more accurate" than Melisandre's, however this line is immediately followed by the dreaded "(Citation Needed)", and again, none is provided.
We do have examples of Moqorro's Predictions (or predictions atributed to him).
He knows that the first ship (Selaesori Qhoran) he takes on route to Qarth will never reach it's destination, HOWEVER, this was told to him by Benerro, the actual High Red Priest that sent him on his mission.
He then "foresees" that a storm will hit the ship and prevent it from reaching Qarth, but again, he already knew of this before he even started his journey, and we have no idea (and no way of knowing) exactly what Benerro foresaw and later told Moqorro. Even if Benerro ONLY saw the ship failing to reach Qarth but not the cause, it's kinda easy for Moqorro to assume "storm" when sailing through a stormy area, ESPECIALLY when he already knows the ship will NOT reach it's destination.
THen when he meets Victarion he tells him
A) he already knows Victarion is sailing to meet Daenerys,
B) Victarion will die if his arm wound is left untreated.
For A), again, he could've just been told this by Benerro, who specifically sent Moqorro to Qarth to meet Daenerys as well, and already had prior knowledge that his original ship would sink in this area before he got to Qarth. Again, absolutely zero way of knowing is Moqorro foresaw this, figured it out, or was plainly told about it even before his journey started.
For B), Cmon.Victarion has an OBVIOUS wound, that has been left untreated for A LONG TIME. His hand was injuried EVEN BEFORE Euron told him to sail to Daenerys.
Moqorro needed to make absolutely ZERO predictions about Victarions hand, all he had to do was fucking smell it and go "yep, you gonna die from that bro, holy fuck, look at it, Jesus fkn christ".
Again, zero actual predictions made so far.
Then, he "predicts" and "convinces" Victarion that throwing Kerwin overboard would grant them favorable winds.
Except he might not have predicted anything, as we have no further comments on the "winds" or how "favourable" they are (or otherwise), after Kerwin is killed,
Aaand he certainlly didn't convince Victarion of anything, as the man totes already wanted Kerwin super tripledead, as he thinks Kerwin is poisoning him at the behest of Euron and is the reason why his arm is all fucked up and not healing in the first place.
He has shown actual Magic, by "healing" Victarions totally fucked up smelly pus-filled yeah-you-need-to-amputate-this-shit-or-you-will-die-for-sure arm, but all in all, as far as "seeing into the future" goes, Moqorro has a grant total sum of zero point zero true predictions that can actually be atributed to him "actually predicting" stuff.
Take that as you will.
It's believable that the Faceless infiltrated the Citadel on their own, or at least by bidding of the Iron Bank. The Bravoosi are still pissed with dragons that you can't even joke about them with Tycho around.
Tycho must have had bad blood with dragons after the incident with his brother and the Hobbit.
There should not be any confusion about Maynard Plumm. He is clearly Bloodraven in disguise. He is using the very similar spell to the one Melisadre uses to disguise Mance Rayder as Rattleshirt at the Wall. Plumm, like Rayder/Rattleshirt wears a prominent gem, and when his face is in shadows, Dunk thinks he looks different. The thing about being related "distantly" to House Plumm is a reference to the fact that Bloodraven's father, King Aegon IV, very likely fathered the supposed son of Ossifer Plumm. Ossifer was married by royal command to Aegon's cousin Princess Elaena, and she gave birth to his son and heir Viserys, so long after his death, that people joke that Lord Plumm must have had a six foot long penis (to poke out of the grave to get Elaena pregnant, since he was clearly dead & buried at the time her child was conceived). So Viserys Plumm is probably the half-brother of Bloodraven. Maynard even jokes about being a son of Aegon IV.
Patchface is probably an actual prophet of the Drowned God. Physical trauma seems to be a big thing in awakening individuals to their paranormal abilities. Bran had his fall, Euron Greyjoy mentions a similar experience to Bran's after a childhood illness. Dany resurrects the dragon eggs by her self-immolation. Contra the show, her hair was all burned off, so it's not like she was magically immune to fire. It could very well be that Patchface's drowning somehow obtained the attention of the Drowned God or at least some preternatural aquatic entity who is known to humans as the Drowned God, but is not quite what the ironborn think it to be. Just as Dany got her life back from whatever power brought the dragons to life, or Beric did from Rhollor, so did Patchface from the water-being (maybe a version of Cthulhu or Dagon?), along with some insights that have damaged his mind too much to properly articulate.
I’m not sure he’s a profit of the drowned god because idt the characters conceptions of the supernatural correspond to how it functions. Like is is a dualistic struggle between good and evil? Is it a polytheistic system with multiple gods in different domains? We will never know
@@imalwaysbluffing I think Rhollor & the Drowned God are real preternatural entities, though not necessarily what their followers believe them to be. I think Euron's plans included summoning the entity the Ironborn believe to be the Drowned God for the next phase in his plans. Martin has thrown in a lot of Lovecraftian Easter Eggs, and I think tDG is going to be some sort of dormant eldritch horror.
I don't think there is any ordered pantheon like the gods of Mount Olympus or the Aesir, there are just a lot of different human belief systems, but some of them are directed at real entities, or based on some paranormal knowledge, though long forgotten and distorted by the religions' agendas and environments. If there is magic, if there can be dragons and Others and other such creatures, it stands to reason there are even more powerful magical beings.
Who hired Jacquen Heagar? My hunch says Euron Greyjoy. First off, he hired a Faceless Man to kill his brother, Baylon. Next, he is very interested in Danny's dragons possibly already having the mythologised horn Dragon Binder in his clutches. And he is going to be attacking Old Town where the Citadel is shortly. Yes, there's other candidates but Euron makes a compelling argument.
I always thought that Maynard Plum was really Bloodraven. I seem to recall that he wore some sort of gemstone that may have worked as a glamour, similar to Melisandre's ruby.
I don't think Quaithe is really a character so much as a plot device. Her prophecies might also be references to abandoned plot elements. I think Martin has stated we won't be seeing Asshai in the series, but that might have originally been his intention for Dany to go there at some point in the Five Year Gap that was abandoned while writing Books 4 & 5.
Maynard Plumm is BloodRaven in disguise with a glamor.
He is ASOIAF’s equivalent to LOTR’s Tom Bombadil and WOT’s Mordeth.
(I love In-world Anomalies in fantasy books)
mordeth creepy af
I'm happy you're still making videos.
Only the Gods know what Littlefinger is up to.
Patchface for sure each time he does those songs just have you like wow who is this dude
Imo Viserys was just a backup plan, and Danny a pawn to win over the Dothraki, if Faegon is actually Rhaegars son then he's the first in line and has the largest claim to the throne / attention dedicated to his devlopment.
This channel is awesome. Love your stuff, bubba!
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I think the multiple plans varys wasn't to confuse readers but just because varys is a smart man and he understand how volatile the world of asoif can get so he had multiple backups
What did the professional assassin do to get put in the black cells? Gee, let me guess. The Faceless Men are not superpowered. He killed someone and got caught. He probably accepted being taken to the Wall, because it would be much easier to escape once he got to where he would be let out of the cage. There is also the distinct possibility that he is some sort of renegade. It seems likely he is working with Euron, since his agenda is getting in with the group that studies magic and he stole Pate's identity and the key to the Citadel's most secret resources. With Euron bearing down on Oldtown with a clear paranormal agenda, having used a Faceless Man to kill his brother, according to the vision of the seeress the Brotherhood consults, and a Faceless Man infiltrating the Citadel with a similar focus on the paranormal, it seems unlikely to be a coincidence. Also, remember, Sam still has the horn that Jon Snow found wrapped up with a cache of magical weapons. If that stuff was stashed fairly recently for the Nights Watch to find (hence the black cloak that hasn't rotted or faded to unrecognizability), why include the horn with a bunch of weapons whose only real use is against the Others?
A few corrections on the Faceless Men - we never see any weapons training for Arya in the books. She is trained to use poison and to observe and gather information. We see Jaqen use these skills, but little sign of any extraordinary combat ability. He uses poison to kill Pate, and make Weese's dog attack him, he pushes Chiswyck (and possibly Balon) from a high place and kills a few guards catching them by surprise, with the help of a couple of brutes (and bear in mind, they were not named official targets to kill in the name of his god - they were a side job he had to do to have his own death-mark removed). The Kindly Man scoffs at Arya's proposal to kill her target in open combat.
Also, the Faceless Men do not work for profit. They do not charge set high prices for their skills, they take a portion of their clients' property, because death is sacred to them, and if you want the help of the Nameless God, you have to offer a suitable sacrifice. A poor person who wanted someone dead badly enough could buy their services for an objectively miniscule price, he does not have much to give. The rich and powerful pay exorbitant fees because they have so much. How could the defrauded clients of the insurance salesman afford an exorbitant fee, if their whole motivation is that they are broke because the insurance won't pay out.
Your theory of Euron is loads better than mine!
You’re wrong about the faceless men the higher the target the greater the price, it is known
@@rwatts53 It is not known. If it is, give me a quote. The only times a price rate is mentioned it entails the relative wealth of the CLIENT. They take a third of the wealth of the waif's father. As I said above, how could someone impoverished by the insurance seller's refusal to pay out a policy, afford the fees to kill a wealthy man? The proportion of payment was set by the first petitioner to pray for another to receive the gift of the Many Faced God, he was demanded to pay with his life, since it was all he owned. Not because of the status of the target. It fits with the ideology. The Many Faced God gets everyone in the end, regardless of wealth and power, so it does not make sense to value the life of the high and mighty as greater than the poor. What matters is the degree to which the petitioner desires the Gift to be given. That it is a portion of your wealth also fits with the whole "everyone is the same when it comes to death" thing. If they charged by the target, rich petitioners could afford more powerful targets. If they charged a flat rate, some could never afford them. But anyone can pay a third of their goods, from a king to a beggar.
Furthermore, the waif's father was a rich merchant, who wanted his wife to die for what she did to his daughter. Was their price equivalent to a third of a rich man's wealth because that's how highly valued a second wife is? At that rate, how could a defrauded client ever possibly hope to afford the price of a successful businessman who deals in so much gold coin that it is easy to note and chart his god handling habits? And how did Arya know the exact rate they charged the waif's father, unless it was a standard rate?
Yeah, I blame action movies for making people think assassins are undefeatable warriors. Being able to secretly kill someone and defeating someone in a combat are completely different skill sets.
My personal take is that there was a man from Lorath called Jaqen H'ghar in the black cells. Littlefinger then sent a request to the faceless men to kill Ned at the wall. Once that had been sent, The House of Black and White sent a faceless man to KL, where they bodysnatched Jaqen and wore his face so he'd be taken to the wall. Rorge and Biter saw this happen, and shat themselves, hence why they're terrified of him
It's very obvious and well known that Maynard is bloodraven..
Why not include 'Three eyed Raven'. He is confusing enough to make the list.
Goddamn i love you. I have adhd and i can only read like 30 pages a decade but i love fantasy. Its such a curse and people like you literally let me learn about these amazing Worlds
Have you tried the audio books? My partner has ADD and they found that they couldn't handle the audio books, but they could focus on reading when they were hooked on the idea of the books. I prefer audio though because I can do other stuff while I listen, also Roy Dotrice is a legend, his voice acting opens you up to a whole other world of ASOIAF memes lol 😅 Harry Lloyd, visarys from the show, is the VA for the egg and dunk books. He does a good job too. I hope you find a way to absorb these books for yourself 😊
I don’t know why but I feel like Ashara Dane would look so beautiful in live action
God, I hope we get Winds.
Yup Patchface have something sinister about him, sinister enough to creep out Melissandre herself.
Maynard Plumm *is* Blood Raven being masked by magic, like how the red woman does with Stannis.
Notice how Maynard wears a large opal brooch similar to what the red woman wears
Remember how a ship of merchants went west and came back in the east side of the known word
I think that's what Quaithe mean when she said to reach the west you must go east
since magic is real it might be possible.
what if Patches is just playing dumb to be an observer and is gonna turn out to be a major player in the GoT? Knowledge seems to be a powerful weapon in this series
I doubt Varys knew about the plan to marry Viserys & Arianne. He would have taken steps to end it. As the video says, getting Viserys too much local support does not work with his plans. He is counting on Doran being the brother of Aegon's mother, Elia Martell, to get Dorne on his team. If Viserys is married to the heir to Dorne that messes everything up. As for the idea that he must know, I doubt he was keeping that close of a watch or actually managing their affairs. Viserys & Dany were not an essential part of Varys & Illyrio's plot, as Ilyrio was perfectly willing to let Viserys go off with the Dothraki and expected Dany to die among them. Their interest in the Mad King's children was as a threat they could use against Westeros, for Aegon to save the realm. If anything, they'd want Aerys' children out of the way so their candidate's claim to the throne isn't complicated by the people every has assumed are the actual Targaryen heirs. The plan to marry Viserys to Arianne was conducted in such secrecy neither of the couple knew. Braavos has no interest in letting their participation get out, so how would Varys have found out? What informant would have told him? The Martells and Viserys' guardian handled the matter personally, without intermediaries.
As for informing Robert about Danys' circumstances, that way Varys is in control of what Robert learns and when, and he can also shape the reaction of the Baratheon regime to the news. He didn't order the assassination, he ordered a deliberately botched attempt and warned Jorah about it, in order to ingratiate his operative with Drogo & Dany, to alert the Dothraki to a potential threat and to provoke Drogo into reacting to the attempt, because the plan for Drogo is to create a crisis that weakens Westeros to open a path for his candidate.
The idea to marry Aegon & Dany is a late addition, when she turned up with actual dragons, which are a huge symbol of Targaryen legitimacy in Westeros. It might very well be Ilyrio's exclusive notion, since dragon's don't really fit with Varys' anti-magic position and idealistic agenda to prevent collateral damage and the suffering of innocents in war. Varys & Ilyrio might be buds but it seems like each has his own agenda with Aegon. Varys is all about getting a candidate he has groomed to be the perfect leader on the throne, while Illyrio is personally invested in Aegon. Some suspect he is Illyrio's son by his second wife, who resembles Dany and might be a descendant of the Blackfyre pretenders or possibly of King Jaehaerys' daughter who fled to Lys, the city Ilyrio's wife came from.
Varys has no problem getting his hands dirty. Unlike Littlefinger, he is not in this for his own gain, but for a cause. He sees himself as the guy who does the dirty work to allow a True King to take the throne who will rule WITHOUT dirty tactics. Varys does the murders, so Aegon can reign justly and honorably. Even if a witness comes forward when Aegon's claim is being debated to accuse Varys, there's nothing tying it to Aegon. All that is harmed is Varys' credibility, and as a foreign eunuch in the dishonorable profession of spymaster, he had very little respect or credibility anyway in Westeros, where people are always willing to believe the worst of his sort. Even Aegon's opponents might begrudgingly concede you can't hold a noble-blooded prince accountable for what some slimy foreigner might do. King Jaehaerys is and was always beloved by the people of the realm even though his foreign-born treasurer was hated and murdered by a mob.
Killing Kevan and Pycelle were important enough for Varys to get his hands dirty anyway. In the same book where Littlefinger preaches "always make sure your hands are clean" he pushes Lysa off a cliff, because he has seen that her irrationality and emotional outbursts have made her a severe liability to him. In Varys' case, he needed to get the sensible and competent adults of the Lannister faction out of the way, because they were both trying to work with the Tyrells. Varys wants the Tyrells fighting the Lannisters for control of Tommen and the throne. Furthermore, eliminating a Lannister and a Lannister loyalist will ramp up Cersei's paranoia and drive her to commit further acts against the Tyrells or maybe a witch hunt to find Tyrion and his supporters whom she will believe guilty. All in all, he's trying to stir up her tyrannical tendencies to destabilize Tommen's reign. If Kevan can convince Mace to play nice and work with the Lannisters, Aegon's road to the throne is a lot tougher, but as we've seen with Cersei, she can't even see the value of the Tyrells. It's Jaime who comes up with the idea to use Mace to take Storm's End, and Cersei whereas Cersei's attitude even back in Book 3 is "Screw the Tyrells, who cares what they think?"
As silly this may sound I think house Frey has a few mysterious characters
Theo, Walder Frey (the original) Old Nan + some others
I think George is up to something here
have not read the first book in a while, old nan is a frey????
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Ol George leads us clues and themes that has me and others believe it
Hodor isn’t Hodors real name it’s Walder
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Hey what happened to dark sister did blood raven took it or was it lost
AltShiftx has real detailed analysis of Patchface
Patchface = The Night King
Thought Sir Pounce was the night king?
Add Howling Reed on this list for me. He is Ned's Best friend and has not been seen yet; has a moving castle; practices green magic....
Imagine how unstoppable Melisandre would be if she discovered and used Patchface's prophecies in favor of her plans.
Patchface
I always wondered if the skulls in mels pathface vision wasn't the bridge of skulls along the wall . ?
Maynard is the 3 eyed crow.
Maynard Plumm is Bloodraven dude.
I don't know anything about Patchface as 1 we didn't get him in the book's ,as ive not read the book's but I've just listened to Danny's chapters on U Tube by David Reads asoiaf an luv them as so many things different or didn't happen in the show, so i know nothing about Patchface , where should i find him in the book's is he in it from the 1st book till A DWD
I’m curious of your opinions (or lack thereof) on the Wheel of Time series
be nice I’m on book 3
why did D&D drop the aegon story line, or any of the really cool interesting sub characters and sub plots. so annoying its so good yet its missing so much as a show its wild
Seems they fused argons character with Jon
@@thatoneblackdude3333 yeah they did a bunch of picking and choosing, I just wish we got a little more
I think a lot of people saw it as superfluous and maybe even balked at the idea of yet another Targaryen showing up in book 5, and that the show could cut this additional contender for the throne with no problems. It was not until we git the inept political plotlines of seasons 6-8 that Aegon's value became clear. The showwriters probably assumed they could merge Cersei with Aegon as Dany's final political opponent, and that it would be better because the audience would be more invested in Dany v Cersei than Dany v NewGuy. The problem was, Cersei means nothing to Dany. Dany doesn't know her or care about her. She does know Ilyrio and if she knows Varys, it is as her father's faithful councilor. She cares about her family and its legacy and being the last Targaryen. Learning that her brother's son is alive would be huge for her. Learning that her supposed ally Ilyrio, who arranged her marriage and sent Barristan with 3 ships to bring her home, is behind another Targaryen who is claiming the throne she sees as hers, that her father's last servants are also in on this plot is going to be DEVASTATING to her.
Also, by the time Dany returns to Westeros, Cersei is going to be a spent force. She's alienated all the powers of the realm, her only adherents are weak people who need her support and don't bring real power to her side. She's not a threat, and the show had to invent nonsense to give her soldiers and financial support, as well as having Team Dany screw up left and right and give Euron the ability to conjure a fleet from thin air and teleport to wherever he is needed, in order to whittle Dany's force down to prevent her from steamrolling Cersei in 7.02. Note that Randyll Tarly and the Golden Company are on ShowCersei's team. In the books, the GC is for Aegon and they've seeded stuff to suggest Randyll might go over as well. The GC members mention having friends in the Reach, and they originated as a rebel movement displeased with the Targaryen king's assimilation policy toward Dorne. The Tarlys have historically been responsible for guarding the border with Dorne, making them prime candidates to have taken the rebels' side along with the ancestors of the GC. Also, Randyll is proud of, and sensitive regarding, his martial reputation. He won the royalists' most significant victory over Robert during the Rebellion, but Mace Tyrell has taken all the credit. When House Florent was attained and disinherited for following Stannis, that includes Lord Alester & his only son. His eldest daughter OTOH, is Randyll's wife. By rights, the Florents' lands and castle should go to her and Randyll and their kids. What's more, the Florents seem to have a claim on Highgarden from the Gardener kings who ruled before the Targaryens came and gave Highgarden and the Reach to the Tyrells. Instead, the Heir to Highgarden is Willas Tyrell, a cripple who likes books and can't fight, and the Florents' stuff was given to Garlan Tyrell, instead of Mrs Tarly. That grant was made at a meeting Randyll missed, because he was in the field, winning their side's only victory against King Robb's troops. Put all this stuff together and you have a situation tailor-made to build up resentment in Randyll against the Tyrells, who are robbing him of his wife's rightful inheritance, and putting a weak and unworthy lord above him, who is just like the son he hated and sent to the Wall. So when his ancestors' old allies come back to Westeros behind a handsome young prince, who led a successful attack on Storm's End, looking for allies against the Tyrells who are propping up King Tommen (a soft, fat boy -just like Sam- [Sam who? Randyll's only son is bold young Dickon]), I think Randyll is going to be among the first to swear fealty to Aegon VI. Maybe even kill or hand over to Aegon Margaery and her cousins whom he is holding for their trials.
It makes zero sense for misogynist Randyll to join Team Cersei as on the show, but he's the best candidate outside of the Martells (committed by Arianne, who is looking to one-up Quentyn) to join Aegon and the Golden Company against _some woman_ with a dwarf adviser and an army of eunuchs and Dothraki savages.
That's how it seems to me the show tries to cut and paste Aegon's regime onto Cersei's as the ones holding the throne when Dany arrives in Westeros. It also makes sense of her issues with Jon in spite of his explicit and overt loyalty and devotion to her cause, if she has already been burned by one 'son of Rhaegar' bring revealed.
@@Gunleaver good shit.
Gods, I hope we get an Aegon POV chapter. I wanna see what's going on in his head.
Now here’s a theory, I might be wrong, I think patchface has somehow made connection to the drowned gods probably seen the watery halls. In book Iron islands people drown their own to see if they come back alive, I think patchface has gotten that “blessing” you can say. For his riddle I think he’s alluding to young fish Victorian teaching Euron some lesson, a revenge of sorts. That’s just my 2 sense. 😄
Pretty sure maynard plumm is blood raven
I'm still at the first book and i wanna know, how come bran not remember anything from his fall? Or why haven't robb or maester luwin ask bran what happened?
It was such a confusing, painful and traumatic event, so his own mind blocked the memories.
I think you were a little confused when you kept referring to Maynard Plumm as the Three Eyed Raven lol.
Maynard Plumm=Brynden Rivers=Bloodraven=3 Eyed Raven.
3 Eyed Crow=GOT TV show stuff
Actually 3E crow is book & 3E raven is show.
@@Gunleaver Omg you're so right. I was juggling so many names for one character lol woops!
Despite Varys being suspicious and no one can trust him, specially with his praises and him know everything with his little birds he actually wish for the good of the realm, when Ned came to kingslanding he tried to help him but Ned didn't wish for his support because he doesn't trust him, later when Tyrion showed up Varys offered his support and Tyrion accepted it he even told and dispatched assassins on Daenerys, as for why he killed Kevan even tho Kevan was doing a good job to stable the kingdom, he saw it was a hopeless cause thus killing him to ease the way for Aegon as he was the best card for Varys to have a stable realm.
That's Varys from the show.. In the books I think he has some creepy agenda
@@stefanciocan1605 I'm talking about the books, why do you think he has a creepy agenda!!?
@@napolien1310 war is never good for the realm, and the guy keeps working for some war, thats way he dosnt look like a nice guy.
Considering he is in cahoots with Illyrio, I doubt he was serious with the assassination. It's more like a cover to ingratiate Jorah with Dany.
@@joaquinjoaquin3992 that's true, but one last war with a ruler that can rule and has been taught since childhood, is a good gamble.
I wish at some point in the following decade they'll reboot the series, sticking strictly to the books
They should do it animated so they can actually follow the books accurately and it won’t cost tens of millions of dollars over a decade
I don’t hate that idea, but I’m generally not a fan of most remakes/reboots
The most logical explanation is that Faegon was a late addition to GRRM's plans. Maybe way into the story - when he realized he could expand the books all the way to seven at least. If Faegon was always a part of Varys/Illyrio's plans, then the Viserys storyline makes no sense at all.
Actually, it makes no sense without Aegon. It's never resolved in the only early book in which Illyrio appears on the page, just what his motives are. Dany wonders, and Viserys claims he seeks the favor of a restored king, but he also just kind of shrugs at the idea of Viserys going off with Drogo's khalasar, when he has to know that Viserys' arrogance and shaky grasp on reality don't bode well for his life expectancy. He's clearly not in this for Viserys. From what he & Varys say when Arya overhears them in the tunnels below the Red Keep, they want Drogo to attack Westeros more than they care about getting the Targaryens back on the throne.
The next time we hear about Illyrio is when Barristan & Belwas join Dany at the end of book 2, with three ships to bring Dany & her people back to Illyrio, citing her dragons as a factor in his decision to send them & the ships. But this is also in the same book where Varys tells Tyrion that he will do anything to stop Stannis from getting the throne if Stannis is, in fact, using magic. Yet Illyrio & Varys are conspiring together. It's the reveal of Aegon as the subject of their conspiracy that we get answers to what they are up to in the first place, and why their approaches differ in some aspects.
Varys is in it for the greater good, he wants what is best for the realm, and sees Aegon, raised & trained according to his prescriptions to be the ideal ruler, as that answer. Illyrio, meanwhile, appears to be personally invested in Aegon himself. Varys, who cares about collateral damage and innocent bystanders, would be leery at best of bringing dragons back to Westeros with their history indiscriminate destruction. The man who was mutilated for the sake of a sorcerous ritual would want nothing to do with dragons and their associations with magic. Illyrio, who cares about Aegon and wants him to succeed, regardless of whether or not he's a good ruler for the children of Westeros, is eager to marry him to Dany and obtain the dragons for his cause, because of the power and influence you can wield with dragons on your side.
As for Aegon's late appearance, that's part of what Martin is deconstructing about this sort of concept. It's almost a fantasy cliche to have a hidden prince come out of nowhere to take his ancestral throne from the (presumably evil or incompetent) rulers who stole it from his family. It's a riff on stories as old as King Arthur, with Jon Connington standing in for Sir Hector, Rolly Duckfield as Sir Kay and Haldon as a proxy for Varys & Illyrio in the joint role as Merlin, orchestrating the return of the rightful king. Martin, who attributes his agenda in writing aSoI&F to the question of "what does it mean when it says Aragorn ruled wisely", is concerned about what a returning prince means for everyone else, outside of the prince and his friends. While the prince has been in hiding, _someone_ has been ruling the realm and doing their best to keep the nation functioning. There might be a lot of good guys honestly doing their best to serve the realm by working for the current regime. What does it mean for them to be branded as traitors when a new guy shows up? If the ruler is evil, wouldn't other good men be opposing him for their own reasons, and not in the name of the previous dynasty's true claimant? How does it look and feel to them, so suddenly have "the rightful king" suddenly take all the rewards of the conflict against the evil ruler.
That's what we are supposed to feel when Aegon shows up at just the right moment, with his pre-assembled epic saga, his ideal mentors and elite loyal army, with people cheering him on. What about Jon Snow, the son of Prince Rhaegar whom we have been following this whole time? What about Daenerys, the daughter of the last Targaryen king? We've been following them closely, and seen how how they've had to struggle to get even as far as they have. Where Aegon's heritage meant he got a secret mentor and people looking out for him and training him and an army ready to follow him, it meant Jon had to be raised as a figure of scorn and suspicion because being known as Rhaegar's son would mean his death. He was hated in the home where he grew up by the closest thing to a mother he knew, for something he had not done. Dany had her childhood cut short by the death of her protector and grew up in the custody of a selfish, possibly mentally disturbed and definitely paranoid brother, and was married at 13 to a grown man with little consideration for her comfort or well-being and had to toughen up fast. Neither of them was given what Aegon was.
And both Jon & Dany do good things. Jon fights to defend the realm and protect people from the Others. Dany fights to save people from slavers. Aegon's "struggles" are purely about his own self-promotion. He's not a bad person - he insisted that Tyrion be saved from the river, for instance, when most people would have left him for dead, rather than risk contagion - but he's never been through the wringer, either. Despite what Varys tells Kevan, he hasn't suffered the way Dany & Jon have and does NOT get what it's really like to be hungry or scared. For him it was all a form of playing, because his protectors would not let real danger or hardship threaten him.
We're supposed to be annoyed at Aegon for coming in to steal what the Rules of Stories says should by rights be the reward of Jon or Dany. We've seen Stannis, Renly, Robb, Tyrion & Tywin, and the Greyjoys all struggling for several books to win a crown. Why is this kid, who didn't put in any real time or effort, getting what they wanted?
And ultimately, I think, if he gets into a conflict with Jon or Dany, Aegon's going to come up short, because he hasn't be tested and toughed as they have. It's how Martin is showing us that you can't take shortcuts or raise a perfect king like a recipe, and that you shouldn't want that. He's showing us how rough it can really be to be a secret or hidden royal raised among the regular folk. It's not at all like Harry Potter suddenly getting the news that his sufferings are at an end because he's special and a wizard. Rather, being the children of the villains of Robert's Rebellion has put a target on the backs of Jon & Dany. Ned tells people Jon is his bastard, knowing that he will be looked down upon by almost everyone and even hated by Ned's wife, because that's still better than what the son of Rhaegar would face. Dany is used as a pawn in the schemes of Illyrio, Varys and Viserys, and marked for death by Robert and betrayed by Jorah, because of who her father was. Aegon shows up once we have seen all this, so we can see how empty a story is, when you just have the perfect king appear out of nowhere with everything handed to him.
The highlight of this update is the seelow heights
I have a theory that Varys is Rhaegar, and someone else was glamored to look like him at the Ruby Ford. Its not airtight, but the reversed parallels between him & Tyrion, and Dunk & Egg are too extensive to ignore.
I can't believe they just left some of these characters out of the show. Especially patchface.
I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that Varys and Illyrio don’t completely trust each other and would keep some of their actions and plans secret from one another.
I think Varys is just making plans a b c d all the way to z as they go along in the wars of the kings, given the unpredictable nature of some characters(i.e Joffrey taking the head of Ned Stark)
Perhaps 🔥🐉🐲💥🐉🔥
I believe Jaqen was in the black cells because he knew Yoren would be coming. The only person who was missing on the ride to the wall, was one Ned Stark. I believe he was hired to kill Ned Stark.
If you want to see a really good video about patch face I saw one a month or two ago by Alt shift x that was solely about him and his unusual life and place in the world of game of thrones. That channel does a lot of really cool videos and is a nice companion to this channel.
WTF did they do in the show?!?! Everything said in this ONE video sounds so much better than the entire season 7 and 8
Patchface notably talks like Aeron and Euron and is at the wall. Euron wants to cause an apocalypse. How would he ever bring down the wall while he literally on the other end of the continent tho?
Why couldn't Euron warg into Patchface
I thought this was gonna be about patchface
The kings son is closer to the throne than the king's son's son.
So Andrew, the Duke of York, is closer to the throne than Prince William, the Duke of Cambridge?
@@Gunleaver Andrew has never been the son of a king. Philip was merely a Prince consort. But William is the son of a king.
@@hi-ls6lt The point is the same for the monarch being female. Nothing in the relationships would change if Elizabeth was male. I was just point out that a monarch can have more than one son, and the line of succession does not go through all the monarch's sons before it get to the grandsons as the first post implied.
Varys probably has Danny and Aegon in case one of them fail
nothing confusing about them, i got whycreate to expalin everything!!!
Wish we could watch this
Davos: Melisandre is dangerous!!!
Melisandre: No, Patchface is dangerous!!!
thru a magical item called -dragonglass- A GLASS CANDLE c'mon
I am pleasantly surprised. I haven't been a fan of any of the new stuff. I want to know more. I they don't botch the ending.
Maynard Plum is Bloodraven or Brendan Rivers
Jaqen hagar got caught on purpose so he could meet and watch Arya I bet the preists know or see prophecies so they knew Arya would end up with yoren and they knew Arya would become a killer
Dragonglass Glass Candle 🕯
Doubt GRRM will even bring these MIAs back into the 2 final books. He's created so many characters, it's all but impossible to bring the story to a proper conclusion in just 2 books. Robert Jordan went 14books!
Aegon Brightflame forevrr!
I Love your content bro keep it coming. Personally the crown sits on Sire Patchface the man is frightening in too many ways. I also love minor character like Maynard Plum because they have such a microscopic impact until you gaze a bit further and realize that something doesn’t add up. Wouldn’t shock me if he’s one of them « secret Targaryen » working for the 3 eyed Raven 👀👀
The Grand Maester Conspiracy
Maybe someone from Qarth hired the FM to kill Dany AND her dragons.
Quaithe is Elissa Farman
Patchface?
Her name is quaithe, not queef.
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