XHP Stage 3 Worth It on a Stock Tune B58? In Depth Review | M240i Xdrive
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2024
- Is XHP Stage 3 worth it on a stock car? That is what I set out to figure out in this video.
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Great video man, this is exactly what I’ve been looking for. I currently have a bone stock m240i and was thinking about getting xhp before anything else and now you’ve convinced me!
I have a stock M240i also was wondering what your thoughts on, if you did the xhp?
@@nicholasfrancher6952 Yeah i actually just recently got an MHD Stage 1 93 oct tune and the xhp stage 2 tune and it really wakes the car up. The shifting is much much smoother and feels like butter. Highly recommend getting it man. It changes the entire car and just makes it that much more fun to drive!
@@TheOnlyKillerInstinc what year is your car?
Makes such a huge difference. JB4 with 5 gallons of E85 on Map 3 or 5 with stage 3 XHP tune with custom edit map. 0-60 in my 21’ m440i x 2.6 seconds. I am on sticky tires and some wider wheels all the way around with h&r lowering springs.
Nice review. Exactly what I was looking for.
thank you for welcoming me to the garage
Thank you for being welcomed to my garage
@@mevans8646 Thank you for welcoming to the garage and welcoming me in the comments
Finally did XHP stage 3. I love the quick and aggressive shifts. My only complaint is that sport/sport+ feel like they hold too high of a gear compared to stock tune. This makes the acceleration slower unless I'm using the paddle shifters or I move the shift lever to the left. Did you notice this?
I haven’t really noticed this in sport, more so in sport+. Stock usually stayed at 3000 but now it brings be down another gear. It’s possible to mess with shift points so maybe that’ll help.
You probably don’t have a ecu tune. I noticed this xhp stock flash it does this because with a tune there’s more torque in the higher rpms. But when I went bootmod3 stage 2 xHP stage 3 full throttle its kinda crazy and perfect
Yeah I'm not sure why I put this off for so long
Very good review. I just bough Xhp and you are right, it’s so much smoother. I did try the relax mode and it does move me forward on upshift. I found the neutral mode on D mode just feel so good, you can’t feel anything when they are shifting the gears in comfort. You car sounds nice, what exhaust do you have ?
My last video shows the exhaust setup, I have a dual resonator delete and the active Autowerke catted downpipe!
Hi, very good review! Has anything changed after a year? Does the car still shift slower in Comfort and Sport than Stock/OEM?
I also saw that you have an oil temperature. Can that be coded?
Year later, I’ve adjusted some settings to tweak it more to my preferences but overall still very happy with it. Still shifts slow in comfort and sport, it seems to just be the way XHP is. I have the M-Lite so the stock trans tuning might be more aggressive than a 340, and thus it might still be faster than their stock tune. I don’t know. Also I have the 2018 LCI which got the ability to show oil temps.
Calling a b58 stock with a downpipe is misleading. It's one of the most restrictive parts of the b58 configuration. And AA is one of the best cats. It's simple, yes, but not stock.
It’s not tuned though, so I really meant on stock tune. Without a tune I can’t imagine it has *that* much more power over stock.
Amazing video man, very detailed, proper in depth. Can you please share what burple tune you got? I've deleted my resonators on my 340i 2018 but it's stock and it doesn't sound like this. Significantly louder, but not like this. It's almost silent inside the cabin. On the outside is quite loud tho. I want to stage 2 with mhd tune and do gearbox tune as well.
I have the stock tune so stock burbles with a dual resonator delete and a catted downpipe. I have the AA catted downpipe which is why there’s no CEL even though I’m not tuned.
@@mevans8646 I guess the catted downpipe makes all the difference , wow! Thanks man!
@@mevans8646 turns out the shop that did my resonators didn’t plug the valve controller back up so the valve was left permanently closed… figured it out today when I looked down! Now it’s open all the time as I left it open 😅 sounds like a beast!!!
in addition to sport+, try turning off DSC also and see how that feels. I believe the software assistants are in part limiting the shift speeds, even in sport+ I think, but I am not sure. let me know if you feel a difference with DSC off
Personally I don’t feel much of a difference between DSC off and sport +
@@mevans8646 alright thx
I have a 2021 M340i , it’s almost stock, only have a cts chargepipe and a catted DP
I installed the xhp st 3 today , the 0-100 is now 3.9sec instead of 4.1-4.2 , although the 100-200 isn’t that good.
See, it used to be 10.4-10.8 in any mode, now it does a 100-200 in 11 sec in traction mode, 10.22 in dcs off and somewhere between 10.8 and 11 in dsc on
Also, it kicks when I downshift from 3 to 2 gear, and it kind of goes back and forward
Is there a solution to this or is it normal to have such a difference when the dcs is off?
And there’s wheel spin when I engage launch control, but I know it’s manageable, cause my tires are a little bit worn down
The quickest shifts are when the car and transmission both are in sport not just in D
Great review on the XHP. What paddles do you have? They look awesome!
Thanks! If you go 6 videos back on my channel, there’s an install video with a link to them!
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any complaints/issues a year later? Also have you tuned since? I'm considering piggybacking this on top of my carbahn stage 1
No complains yet. I’ve experimented with and tweaked my settings even more to my liking now. Definitely still recommend.
Do you think xhp alone lowers 1/4 times? How about reliability? Does it actually help the trans hold more power safely?
Im not too sure about quarter mile times. If you customize the launch control to get better launches, that’s probably the most you can do with XHP to get any significant 1/4 improvements. As far as reliability goes, you can use the option to increase the clamping force of the transmission. This would become helpful at higher power levels where the trans may tend to slip. Preventing that slip would definitely increase longevity, but at the same time having higher clamping forces in general may still decrease the life of the trans. Much like an OTS engine tune, I’m sure it’s not gonna be *more* reliable but I don’t think it’ll affect things that badly. Ultimately it depends on how you drive. Using launch control 100 times a day will kill the transmission.
hey are the throttle m blips related to those sick aggressive downshifts in the video?
Yup, that’s what those are!
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Awesome video!
Thank you 🙏
I have a mhd stage 2 downpipe and I’m getting xhp trans tune would you recommend, and do you think it would mess with my reliability for a 2017 b58 440i?
Reliability shouldn’t really decrease any significant amount. I’ve been on MHD stage 2 for the last ~1.5yr after making this video and I’m still very pleased with it. I’ll be making a video soon on my long term review and my preferred settings.
Thanks for the video! XHP is a transmision tune, right?
Yup!
How much did your 0-60 increase by?
And can you return it to factory map easily?
I didn’t test my acceleration before/after XHP so I don’t know. But yes it can easily be reverted back to stock map within the XHP app.
Did you have any tune in your engine in that moment? I have a m340 and I have used 25 for throttle blips but does not sound anything, I have DP and intake mst thanks
No I did not have an engine tune, only the transmission at this point. But I had a high flow catted downpipe and a dual resonator delete.
@@mevans8646 i think it’s because of the resonator delete, I’ll delete it thanks
@@inteligenciahibrida the M340 exhaust is different from on the F22 M240 so I can’t say for sure with yours, but at least on my car it made a very nice difference for super cheap. Definitely recommend. I have a few videos on my channel showing the difference.
@@mevans8646 i just checked my exhaust does not have resonator, the exhaust system is different :(
The video is just perfect but i have question. Can we use the xhp for any car we own or we need get new license for every new car we will do xhp tune?
The XHP license is linked to your VIN number, so if you get a new car (even if it’s just another of the same car) you’ll need to buy XHP again.
@@mevans8646 thanks a lot for the answer. So if i will buy a new car i delete the xhp from my current car and sell the car. than i buy my new car and flash the xhp again. This what i read in xhp website.
Sorry, I don't get it..... for most of the video you were saying that the downshift blips/pops and bangs were so good and loud.... then near the end of the video you said it pops less than before..... did you change something? or get an ECU Tune? why did the pops and bangs reduce? Cheers Don, Perth W.Australia (2020 M340i) (Dons Shed and Xplor Overland)
I wasn’t referring to the pops sounding better, I was referring to the engine blips themselves sound far more aggressive. The pops were slightly reduced. Not entirely sure why, it must have something to do with the engine’s throttle mapping with the modified downshifts. I was on totally stock engine tune at the time, so if you’re tuned you can easily adjust them back in. You’re in a totally different car from my own, so your experience may vary slightly with your different factory engine tune.
@@mevans8646 ahhhh ok, thanks. In the video, it sounds like your pops and bangs were a lot (and that was the sound I was focusing on), but that could be because you have a pre-2020..... mine is built June 2020, so it might be a 2021 car (known to have less pops and bangs).... and yes, my car is still on the stock tune (I have 4.5 years of warranty left)..... though that may go if I get impatient waiting for the tune LOL .... I already have an MST Intake fitted and now an AA Catted Downpipe waiting to go in..... so yer..... LOL
I have the AA catted downpipe and a resonator on in this video, which is why they were louder pops than usual. Still on stock tune at the time though. The AA downpipe is great, really opens up the sound without adding the catless “hollow tin can” sound I dislike when going catless
Do you have to get a TCU tune in addition to this stage 3 tune for the shifts to get quicker and sharper?
This is a TCU tune
@@mevans8646 thanks, Im a dumbass lol
@@ianthayer8688 all good 😂 we’ve all been there
Shame, I wanted to get this but it would be purely to get rid of the delayed upshifts and downshifts. Hearing that it’s actually slower in comfort was disappointing.. Although I am bm3 stage 1 so that could make a difference but I doubt it. So atm im on the fence whether this is worth getting!
In sport+ it’s definitely way faster, but the other modes it’s definitely slower. I may have had different stock tuning in the m-lite so I’m not 100% sure how it would be in something like a standard 340
@@mevans8646 Yeah thats true but im mostly in comfort and sometimes sport so would prefer faster shifting in those modes, real shame its slower.. I’ve got a M140i so I dont know if it would be any different but from what I understand its identical to the M240i apart from yours having xDrive ofcourse.
Have you done any timing tests using Dragy to see if your "seat of the pants" suspicions about sport settings being slower are true? I'd love to see a Dragy comparison between a 0-60 blast with stock tune vs one with 0-60 with stage 3 xHP tune. I am considering this mod, but I'm hoping to shave a bit of time off the 0-60 times with quicker shifts.
I haven’t done those, however I don’t suspect it would really be a huge difference. The biggest difference really is the responsiveness when you shift manually more so the actual shift speed itself.
Hey buddy I have a 2020 m340i stage 2 bm3 done by SSR performance. Was wondering if you think the transmission tune is really worth it or not? Did you feel a difference in power or 0-60 times? Not sure if I should get or not.
Biggest difference to me was the responsiveness of the transmission, the acceleration really didn’t feel much faster to me. If you drive in manual mode a lot it’s worth it. It also seemed to shift a bit smoother in traffic. I didn’t test 0-60 before and after so I can’t tell you for sure.
@@mevans8646 thanks for the reply, 1 more question. If I end up getting the XHP tcu tune, would I need to retune or modify the custom bootmod3 tune I had done? Or will they contemplate each other without having to return/modify the ecu?
@@G20_SIM the engine and transmission have different computers/control units. You tune them both separately. Just make sure you don’t have the BM3 transmission tune selected because that’ll override the XHP one.
@@mevans8646 thanks bro. Those selections…BM3 or XHP, will pop up when I get the XHP and connect with the OBD huh. I’m new to tuning so my bad for these noobie questions lol.
@@G20_SIM XHP and BM3 have their own separate apps you use to tune, so connect to the car and open whatever app you want to actually tune.
Hey wanted to know what is the feature (THORTLE BLIMP M) what does that even mean ?
It basically applies more throttle on downshifts so they’re faster and sound much louder!
@@mevans8646 and that’s just 25% ?
@@ulisesvazquez8675 yes but I also have a dual resonator delete and an Active Autowerke catted downpipe which contributes to the volume as well
I was wondering if the throttle blips are damaging to any components?
I’m sure they’re not “good” for the car but I don’t see them wearing anything down too much more than usual. I only have them at +20% aggressiveness now and it’s still quite smooth. You feel them a bit, but nothing too jarring.
@@mevans8646 Awesome. Thank you for the reply
Doubt it, the M2 has them from factory.
@@Mac_F87 m2 has DKG not ZF 8HP
@@Roxak yeah I know I have a DCT M2. My point is the M2 has throttle blips from factory so having it activated on a ZF8 isn’t going to damage any components. Both DCT and ZF8 are doing the same job juts slightly differently. DCT engages alternating clutches ZF8 uses a combination of the 5 clutch packs/clutch brakes to change gears.
where can i get paddle shifter like yours?
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How is it after a year and half since this video was uploaded?
I’ll probably make a video on this topic soon, but still feeling good about XHP now that I’ve dialed in my ideal settings 👍
Great content I have also recently flashed transmission xhp stage 3 on a m140i on stage 2 BM3 Loving the shifts in sports+ and comfort feels better than stock. But not too happy with sports feel there is throttle peddle lag or delay at lower speed. From a stop I can put my foot completely down on gas peddle and there seems to be a 1-2 second delay until it launches were as stock was instant power. I did the 50 miles running in for adaption. Not sure if it normal or need further adaptions. When I did the flash did not make any changes in settings. Has anyone experienced this can it be a software issue. Sports+ Is super quick actuality car feels quicker but in sports slower
Thanks! I do agree, in sport it does seem everything is a little slower than before. However I suppose at the end of the day it’s meant to be a middle ground between sport and sport + so I guess it sorta makes sense to be toned down a bit.
@@mevans8646 Yes definitely. Will see how get on early days yet maybe fine tune a little. BM3 has recently had a update were you can adjust throttle response so will look into that aswell. 👍
The xhp logic definitively change the throttle response and put it back to normal or what OEM was. With my BM3 tune at 40% pedal, car felt the throttle body was at 80%. When you think about it, it’s kinda stupid but this make us think the car is faster but it’s a foot adjustment. I know we can adjust that with a custom tune, unless you make your own tune. Not sure what I do prefer yet, still playing with the adjustment.
@@jst1199 We can't change throttle response...no matter how hard the transmission tries, it can't the change the throttle response of your engine. Thats the #1 Internet hoax since the day we released xHP over 5 years ago.
@@clemensmuehlbacher5124 Hi Clemens, thx for the reply. After flashing XHP, the throttle respond in D-Sports is alot more Linear, actually same as Comfort mode. Before I flash, I was BM3 Stage 2 and the throttle respond in D-Sport mode was very aggressive. Exemple, when the pedal was at 40%, the electronic throttle body was at 80%. If you give me your email, I can send you the logs before and after. I think what BM3 did was wrong and I do prefer the linear feel. I can always change it with a custom tune if I want but XHP definitively did change the logic % of the throttle/pedal which is similar to a stock linear feel. There is nothing wrong with that.
The delayed upshifts in comfort would annoy me tbh. I don't get the logic that a delayed shift is more comfortable - was this maybe fixed with an update?
I don’t think it’s so much ‘delayed’ as it is just incredibly slow. I have only done one XHP update since this video and it’s about the same.
@@mevans8646is it same as normal tune with comfort or it has changed in comfort? My m140i goes up to 2k plus rmp to change first and second gear weirdly
@behrosemalik7639 it’s slower compared to the stock comfort mode
Do you guys think xhp will void my extended warranty?
Probably, yes
Would it work on my 2021 M340i stock?
Yup!
Why not check off max rpm?
I didn’t want to mess with the shift points
Hey man have you noticed a sound difference with the xhp tune?
I noticed a reduction in burbles but other than that, no
@@mevans8646 ah I see usually people hear a increase in pops when up shifting
@@slayx9193 ah. Maybe a little bit, depends on the settings you choose. There’s an option for torque reduction on upshifts now that increase that a little bit depending on how much you adjust it.
@@mevans8646 so u think the torque reduction will make upshifts sounds better?
Marginally, it’s not a huge difference. It’s also not on every shift, mostly just on partial throttle upshifts.
don't you have a torque limiter?
I was running stock engine tune at the time of this video, so yes. Since going MHD Stage 2, I’ve removed them.
@@mevans8646 I'm having problems with that, I don't know how to calibrate it correctly
@@M2-G87-R I have all the sliders just maxed out. My car would never hit that torque level so they’re effectively off. Some people use torque limiters to handle traction problems when they’re at higher power but I have no problem off the line since I’m xdrive on decent performance tires.
Stock B58? Dude ... life is too short to drive stock cars! especially with B58 :D
I’ve been stage 2 for about a year now 😂
fking floor it man
Xhp drag race mode?
Haven’t used it
I recognize Townsend, lol
I’ve never been to Townsend, so you’re mistaken 🤷♂️
@@mevans8646 lol you were there, I saw the town center
@@kanakaspec I’m over an hour from Townsend, I can assure you I was not there 😂
The signs are Wrentham & Norfolk in vid, cruising down Rt115 in Norfolk, 1A Wrentham center, Wrentham State Prison ect. hail from Medway
How did you make the needles red during the day?
I didn’t, came like that from factory 🤷♂️