HOW TO GET 500HP FOR LESS THAN $1500 ON A B58
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Downpipe/hpfp/tune .. 450-500whp. Don't waste money on intake lol.
I don't think you need hpfp on the newer M340i's... handles up to E50.
@@domtoretto8616 you do
@@darkmkv Why? I'm running E50 , downpipe & tune now for ~ 1 year without any probs and great numbers in the logs. According to the folks on bimmerpost, my 2021 M340i can handle up to E50... but I wouldn't push it more than that. Some people upgrade to a B58TU (from the Supra).
"Fuel limits will vary from B58 to B58. This is true even with the same mods, boost, fuel type, etc. Some of the fueling limits come down to the health of the OE parts. It also varies based on tuning, climate, and many other factors...".
@@darkmkv You don't.
@@domtoretto8616 The A90 Supra and new 340 etc use the B58TU pump so no need to upgrade it. If you have an original B58 then realistically you should be looking to upgrade to either the TU pump or a stage 1/2 pump from Dorch Engineering for example as the stock pump has too little fuel flow for stage 2+ maps.
love the clip of papa and mikeys supra on the strip
Ive been using bm3 on my iphone for almost 2 years
Got my G30 540I can’t wait to tune it 💯
what mod list you going for???????
@@jayduro3721the shop I got my tune at offers a full package tune for the B58 cost me around 5K they did a BM3 and XHP, installed a cold air intake, charge pipe, downpipe, changed out my oil, and my spark plugs, did a custom tune with Dyno time. Got me pushing 561 WHP with 671 WTQ I could go for more if I upgrade my transmission, I’ve seen some dudes pushing 712 hp on a stock turbo, and transmission but that’s a big risk to take lol
I believe the ho difference is because the racha it’s manifold is different. The second gen b58 has six ports instead of two, making it better flowing.
This is true and I believe the compression ratio changed as well
Gen 1 B58s also have 6 ports in the Fseries BMWs.
@@Mendra72 I can confirm this now that I own a first gen.
Good job
I say closed box air intake is better. Open like that sounds good but it was sucking in way too hot air and making the car run slow top end
I've read the stock intake is the best and most efficient tbh. Esp if you get a high flow filter for it.
wouldn’t it be more worth to get a closed box intake tho, if you’re just going for look and a little better sound, possibly go with the aFe?
I've never seen this episode of Two and a Half Men before, very Jake focused.
BMS only claims up to 8whp with their intake, not the 20 that you noted in the video - on a B58....The Dinan closed air intake in the best choice out there for a viable increase in whp
Depends. That 8hp number is claimed without a tune. Tune should squeeze a lot more out of it.
Thank you for the video. Would you be so kind to add links or at least names of the parts mentioned.
Yes please! This would be a big help
Please post links for the parts you mentioned in the video! Much appreciated
Just put it up sorry for the late reply
My 2018 440i M Sport and I did all this. The car is faster than my 2009 M3 was
I bet a good bit faster but I still want a e92 m3 haha
I’ve heard a drop in filter is plenty for even high horsepower cars an open cone style can lead to heat soaking and loss of power after multiple pulls
Test have even shown that intakes add NO Hp....i think Kies actually lost some on their dyno run.
@@Steveindajeep ok but choo choo noises are well worth it
non boost cars can lose hp on intakes if they are at higher risk of heat soak but i hear the intake setup on the B58 is very efficient and thus why intakes do very little besides sound on these engines.
Aside from noise/eye candy it's not really worth it unless you go for a bigger turbo.
There is fear of the stock filter collapsing but I don't think that has happened to anyone with stock turbo
@@Steveindajeep wrong, a high flow fresh air intake will not add but free up lost power in comparison to something like a FRAM air filter. Less air, less combustion.
Will these intakes be okayin very dusty conditions ? I live in India, thats why asking, its very dusty here.
before you go and buy the mods just so you know that if you change your DP your will have check engine light up unless you unlock your DME too to code that problem out.
Hey bro can you talk about JB4 with E85. Thanks in advance
I’ll definitely look into it
Can you do this for 530i xdrive and increase hp
wish it were same price for catted, not a fan of catless plus illegal in GA
my mods so far
CG Precision 200cel Catted DP -$975(orderd back in september, not here yet)
Bilstein B16 -$2100
Michelin PS4S -$1100
MHD OTS tune -$500
XPH trans Tune $350
Yeah catted downpipes are way too expensive haha. But sick build man 👍🏽
What are your thoughts on the xhp trans tune. I got a similar build to you but have the vrsf catted dp. I’m on the stock trans tune and it struggles to put down the power. Sick build bro!
raihanrahman03 XPH trans makes a huge difference even if car is complete stock
i left it on Stage 3, manual shifting is instant and it removes torque limiter on any stage, definitely worth it
My 340ix has xph stage 3, vsrf 200 dp, dual res delete, dinan v2 elite, bmw m perf exhaust, ohh man the machine gun pops are legendary 🤩
finally got an update on my CG catted downpipe last week after over a year, hope to get it in 2-3 weeks, also ordered Remus Catback Exhaust and stoptech BBK in late august, hope those wont take long to arrive,
I wonder how long it eill take for someone to do this with an Ineos Grenadier 🤔
For E85...does the factory BMW X5 fuel pump, fuel lines, injectors, and rail support this type of fuel? I know for a fact that to use E85, you need E85 compatible parts.
Gen 1 b58 needs a hpfp upgrade. but the gen 2 in the supras or m340is can run e85 with a tune
Is jb4 a good tune?
The predecessor engine is the N55 check the wiki
My M40i is already a rocket, I'll probably do this after warranty is up..lol
20 whp from air intake??? In your dreams, maximal 5 hp OR - 5 HP
Physics says otherwise.
Intakes for BMW’s are a complete waste of money.
Not on the intake alone I think you are right, but if you pair it with a tune then I think its worth it
@@chuckehrlichTell that to RK Tuning
@@erich1308 turbocharged engines already have a very efficient intake from BMW. Even with a tune, you are not going to gain any additional horsepower with an aftermarket intake. They are a complete waste of money. The industry has misled the younger generation thinking they will gain hp with these worthless intakes.
Lol you don’t need a pc or Android to use bm3, they added MacBook and iPhone compatibility a long time ago.
Also the stock intake actually gives you better IAT’s meaning you won’t heat soak as quickly and you’ll have more consistent runs.
Instead of buying an intake I’d put that money into a TU pump (from 2nd gen B58) or get a better aftermarket HPFP. This will allow you to run a little more ethanol mix and make the opening bigger so your engine can get more out your turbo
Sorry didn’t know you could do it on iPhone now. And I said the intake didn’t add much power at all and the TU hpfp is around $1000 or more so kind of defeats the purpose of the video lol.
There’s actually a video out there of two Supra’s compared with almost the same exact mods except for the intake. The one with the aftermarket intake actually gained more power on the top end.
In regards to IATs: The ECU won’t begin pulling timing until they hit about 130f. All the data logging I’ve done on my car in hot summer so cal weather I’ve never seen my IAT hit over 110. And that’s with running an ethanol tune (higher boost). They usually stay around 100f.
Dawg the TU pump is about £300 now on ebay
Odd that a person who owns a vehicle that costs tens of thousands, and wants to tune it to 500HP doesn't have a computer laying around 😂
@@AlessioSangalli who said I didn’t have a computer? Lol tuning on your phone is way more convenient, especially when it’s all the same thing. There is no added benefit but a bigger screen :)
If just going for a stage 1 upgrade. I was considering a BM3 stage 1 map. Catless downpipe and OPF Delete. Thoughts ?
go high flow, just for the sake of the planet, they arent that much more expensive and the amount of hp is not much. The big plus for me is I get to brag and smirk at the peeps that I beat in a race when i find out that they ran a cattless. I used to really made them feel like shit lol
@@shahin5025 thanks for your response bro. What hardware set up are you running ?
@@shahin5025 catless>
That’s perfect bro don’t know if you already did these mods but get you an oil catch can and replace your spark plugs with OEM ones trust me bro this will keep that engine running good for a long time.
So I guess if I do all this AND a turbo upgrade i'm looking at 600 WHP?
Does anyone know the height of the engine. The up and down.
Depending on which 40i you have, the parts and prices will vary. I say under 2k
what about a 2018 440i rwd
Anything from 240i to 740i use the same parts for making power awd or rwd
This is not true.... For every 100hp you increase the power you want to get one step colder plugs... Also you can't get 500hp for 1500usd this is just click bait... And a wana be video of the n54 one lol.
Without a TU pump you are stuck at basically 405hp....
Also mhd is crank hp not whp bro...
Nice try tho. You clearly don't own a n55/n54/b58
@@bmwbbNkiller what logic is there to go with colder plugs? You arent increasing the voltage of the coils. Hell of a way to foul some plugs
@@bmwbbNkiller show me the way i just bought a 19 440i gran coupe is anything he said worth doing im not getting some bs tune not looking for much should i get the mppsk?
N63 Twin turbo 4.3
K&n or afe drop in is better than a cone filter, unless it has it's own box
@Bas bzb yes, it is
they also suck in way more dirt and debris, wearing out your engine faster.
Didn’t mention charge pipe 🧐
How about a N26 4 cylinder?????
Do I need to do fuel I only have access to 91 and 94 octane
Hello everyone, I have been looking forward to mod my m340i Xdrive 2020 and have been preparing all the moods listed, even exhaust and all but I haven't seen anybody do jb4 methanol injection on my car, my country has low quality gas so I think it's the way to go, could someone help me out please? (Plan on installing JB4 tuner as well) it would be helpful also a guide to the best chargepipe as I want to have it addressed and not feeling worried in the back of my mind.
Thanks beforehand.
How would I go about getting my bmw 840i up to m8 standard in performance ? Any help on what I should do ? Can you do a video please
Hi, I have 840i (with integral RWD). You just need downpipe (just google b58c downpipe) + chiptuning. With these changes I have 420 hp, which is very safe for engine. Also, you can buy intake, as it have shown in video below
Pure 800 turbo or Big Boost GTX 1000 kit.
A couple of videos are surfacing of the 340i's suffering from loosing power from heat soaking due to not upgrading the cooling system ( air to water intercooler and heat exchanger). And now that I go back check out peoples videos. Alot of people have not upgrading the intercooler. After 3 runs the car starts struggling on the role races.
you can just turn on sport cooling on mhd and that will keep your engine oil temperature around 95degrees celcius at all times so its just a matter of turning it on. My boy has 2016 340i and has had the mhd sport cooling option and never had a problem with heat soak and the guy ripssss the car let me tell you.
Kern417 says no intake needed until near 600hp
Does a the 2019 740i have a b58?
don’t forget upgraded front mounted intercooler
No front mounted intercooler. It’s water to air
Can i get help with beef up 2018 bmw 530e please ?
Can you do a video on b46 motor
Alrighty coming up next
do you have a video on making 500 hp on a N55?
Just bought a 2020 bmw x3 m40i and love it, but I'm want more power. I live in Newport Beach, CA. Is there a place I can take this to?
Pq performance they have a 500 hp package for like 5500 but you don’t need a charge pipe or a intake so maybe the price will go lower if you ask them not to add that and if you want you can get a e50 mix or e40 for more power
If I live in California should I get the catted down pipes or will that not affect smog?
Just find a plug who can pass your smog. Ask around
So let me get this straight, if I decide to get a cold air intake, its necessary to get a downpipe as well or no?
no a closed box intake(stock intake) is arguably better for sound and high end pulls
Cold intake no...standard air box is 100% more effective with a panel filter, you will actually lose power and get alot more heat soak with a cone filter. I know a guy in the UK running 700+ bhp with standard exhaust (just decat) and standard intake.
Yes for hotter months, but for colder months, the cold air intake shines better than the stock box
3 years later, how has reliability held?
With this upgrade what problems did you end up having? If any at all? Did you also get error codes.
Works great with no problems at all I’m making a long term review about it probably next week so make sure you’re subscribed
@@alextrout2631 will do thanks man im looking forward to possibly doing my small mods on mine by January so im trying to be collective
What’s the best tune for a m240i 2017+ sum not to expensive?
I personally like MHD the best so far
Is there a tune for the 2021 X3 M40i ? I just bought mine and would like more power
Congrats on the new x3 m40i I really love those. Anddd for the 2021 I heard they are having a hard time cracking the DME but when they do I’m pretty sure JB4 or MHD would be one of the first to offer a OTS tune.
BMW N20 next?
gen 1 also need the tu pump then its gas!
For tune, why not the Ecutek?
Custom tune on ecutek would be way better than some canned OTS map. It’s just more expensive around $1000 so broke bois use jb4
Can you do for kia stinger ?
Will start research right now 👍🏽
Doesn't the m340 have a locked ecm that you need to ship off to get unlocked, and the 21-22s still can't be unlocked?
I have an m340 n yea they are locked and will immediately flag the ecu on bmw’s end and ur warranty gets voided
@@romanshahimi7787 you can get it unlocked in San Diego for 300$ and if u modd any car u buy you know what you sign up for when modding it , u become the warranty I say that cuss the bmw red flagged my m240i and bruhh pay 10k for a new ecu to keep warranty or fix it for 2100$
@@Mr2fast909 how do you get it unlocked for 300?
tuners in Poland already know how to unlock it and do just regular tuning. Even my m340i LCI can be tuned now.
@@jaworq wanna send me a Poland tuner?
I have a 21 M340i, looking for a shop in South Florida to get work done safely. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks
What part of south Florida ?
I’m waiting for my 340i and I’m in the Fort Lauderdale area
Boynton
Fort Lauderdale area too 2018 m240i
Red head can do the next review?
How reliable are the 2017 M performance B58 ?
They’re pretty good I’ve heard of oil consumption issues with those though so just keep an eye on that
@@alextrout2631 does it consume the oil by burning off somewhere or loss by leaks?
Besides the engine being the most reliable what else should I look out for before purchasing a 330i. The m340i is out of my price range. Ive only seen several 340i with about 50k miles. I would want to purchase an extended warranty on the car because I don’t trust the longevity of any German/european car
The B58 engine is actually a lot more reliable then older BMW Engines, you just have to maintain it (kinda a no brainer), as long as you do regular maintenance the B58 will last for a long time
Can you use mhd with a locked dme/ecu?
Sadly If the dme isn’t cracked yet you’ll have to wait till MHD is available for your car.
@@alextrout2631 got it, thanks for answering so fast too btw. I have a 2021 Supra with a locked ecu trying to figure out how to get the most power without a full chip tune
N63 pls
Is the intake really necessary? I've read the stock one is actually more efficient than the after market ones.
Better to get a closed one and not open
What engine is a 2019 bmw 430i gran coupe ?
A b48 I have a video on that as well
n62 pls
N55?
Is the Dinan air intake worth paying $500? Instead of the burger one?
Most definitely not unless you want to carbon in the engine bay
mo PAWWAH BAABBY
Don’t really want the gas smell and sound from catless, will high flow get me similar results on a stage 2 tune?
Absolutely, it also sounds better
I have a 21 540i does this still apply for my vehicle?
Yep
@@alextrout2631 I know the car has the 48 volt mild hybrid system so wasn’t sure if it was fully compatible thanks!
Anyone know if xdrive would run into issues under that much hp?
I think you should be good I’ll let you know soon. I’m going to do all these mods and some so make sure you subscribe to follow the build
Absolutely does,, don;t even bother with xdrive, evryone I know who got an xdrive 335/340 regretted it. If u wanna adrive in snow all you need are snow tires, and thats only a couple days a year. AWD isn't really worth it when it comes to high hp builds unless you spend big bucks reinforcing the transfer case and similar components.
@@avgvstvs96 LOL do you know who 1stockf30 is ?
@@nyckperez6588 let him know 😭😭
My 2016 has these mods for a year and no issues so far, next in line is a stage 2 turbo.
Do a video on f10 550
Alrighty I’ll look into it
Will this work on a 2016 640 I?
isn't that an N55?
does this also works for x5 45e?
I think so. That would be pretty cool to see
m240i or 340i? which one to get
I would get the m240i
Both dope! 240i is faster and handles better because of the weight and size difference. But I prefer the look and room of the 340i. No family 240i, family 340i. 😆
JB4.....Meth.....Done!
My B58 x5 runs smoothly and quietly. Why screw up a good design. Raw power and sound will increase wear and reduce longevity
Did this kid just say a CAI install is going to add 20 RWH? 😂
Bro this ain’t N54 and you can’t make 500hp with less than $1500.
1. OEM plugs are fine.
2. Intake is not necessary on B58, doesn’t add power.
3. Flash Tune must be custom, no OTS will hit 500. And JB4 is definitely not the safest. MHD and BM3 are currently behind… MGF and EcuTek are too dogs. Custom tune will run you closer to $800 + Dyno time.
4. Catless DP that’s 👍🏻 $350 min
5. Fuel is a good point - any fueling upgrade starting with the TU pump will run $900 minimum.
Please research.
I did research and actually found these results but I’m sorry that it was this inconvenient and upsetting to you 🙃
Making about 430whp on an e30 stage 2 OTS map from bm3, with the supporting mods and a m performance exhaust which probably helps bump numbers a bit. Also I did the heat exchanger for the summer peace of mind, not sure if that affects overall peak numbers.
@@alextrout2631 Ok, but some of it is incorrect which is why I commented. I, along with a few others, have been going at this platform since the DME was unlocked about 3 years ago. I’m not tryin to come at you sideways but some of this information is just wrong, bud.
No need to talk about either having the tools to do those mods or the mechanics you have to pay$$$ My wife wouldn’t do my downpipe. My bad she does my downpipe but not my car’s downpipe😂
I will watch your build for sure👍
whats wrong with jb4 how is it not safe
No ones getting 500bhp without upgrading the turbo 😂 you'll get 470bhp absolute max with that set up
B48. Would love to see what you have on that one
Made a video on that 👍🏽
Do you get any popping sounds after these mods ??? I’m about to buy my 540 rn
You should have a few pops from factory but with a down pipe it’ll be slightly more and if you get MHD you can adjust how loud and how many pops you want
yes after a catless downpipe and tune
You'll get popping just from a catless downpipe
cant get e85. tell me about methanol
Alrighty I’ll do the research and make a video I may even do a install video if I decided to go that route.
If you run out of methanol your tune will be fucked and your engine will be on the road. Just get flex fuel.
Meth also has to be a certain temperature or some shit like that or it’ll cause detonation 💀
check out kern417 videos
@@sinjinledbetter6000 cant get it means they don't sell it. eg here is the UK u cant buy e85 from a petrol station u have to order barrels
You got a few things totally wrong ,,stock air box with filter & hot climate mod flows better & colder, U need a trans tune to remove TOURQUE limits .
Sorry
Is that what the farting sound is on my b58 when doing full throttle pulls between shifts? It drives me nuts. Does a trans tune eliminate the farting sounds between shifts fully? It also feels like it slows the car down when it happens as well. Who do you recoment for a trans tune?
@@badass1g
XHP , is basically the only choice.
Makes the zf feel like a DSG transmission st3 . As for the sound it's all subjective
@@tonyv7589 have you heard many horror stories with XHP? I’m afraid to mess with trans tunes ugh.
@@badass1g
no.
If the trans is in good condition ,all good
328i
I haven't seen any solid evidence that intakes make power on the B58, at least not with the stock turbo.
I have a 2022 bmw x6 40i m sport how can I get more hp out of my v6 lol please any help or suggestions would be highly appreciated I admit I’m new to the modding and you guys seem to really know your stuff and I’m willing to learn more just don’t want to mess my car up or waste time and money my goal is to get in high 400 or even 500 don’t want push my engine to a breaking point or something void my warranty or if I got too I would love a nice setup that fun and last to enjoy the car at least thanks if any of you guys can help
Aftermarket intakes are terrible for performance they soak up heat from the engine and end up slowing it down
As soon as I heard “open cone intake adding 10-20hp” I immediately clicked off…….
what happens when u run pure e85 in your b58?
I dont think its a good idea unless you have upgraded fueling system
@@princedyl9377 I run it it works.
b48 engine
Can I do these mods on my b58 740i 2017? 🤣
Yessirrr
JB4 is not a “true” tune. All it does is give more boost to the turbo. MG flasher > JB4
With 1500€ you go to 460 hp on engine, NO MORE
Incorrect the B58 was making big power way before the A90 supra 1StockF30 was killing the game with his 340 wayy before the A90…
You don't need a new intake with the B58
It just sounds better
Yeah definitely sounds good
@@alextrout2631 the oily ones mess up your MAF sensor overtime aswell , and unshielded ones suck in hot air from engine bay so performance is even worse . its the most overrated mod for this engine , other than sound it does nothing . performance wise all you need is a Dp with opf delete if present and a hdp6 pump to max out the turbo .
@@thomasvennekens4137 true. I swapped my intake on my last bmw (n55 335i) All it did was make noises. I'm skipping that on this 340i when I get it
Exactly, the OEM Mahle intake is almost perfect (regards performance)
B58s are big in the UK. Bms intake is definitely worth shite for the money. They dont even delete the top and bottom intake mufflers. I have an intake that removes both and it sounds insane... You dont need intakes anyway for stage 2.5 people keep them even with pure800s...also you forgot to mention Mgflasher which is prolly better than mhd and bm3... Welldone but you'd get mocked in the b58 group in the UK. Allot of wrong information here.. none of them will get 500 whp on ots you prolly mean crank... With b58tu hpfp it just makes sure's that the fueling isnt at its max capacity. But you do sound like a good sales man..
mgflasher over bm3/mhd? why?
JB4 scks get a BM3 if you can and also you aint picking up 180 whp for 1500 !!!!!!! - my m235 has just a DP a FMIC and a tune and thats easily near 3000 - never herd a CAI did anything
Homeboy you need to express the importance of keeping your system cool. Across the board 100hp increase = 1 step colder plug from stock, also intercooler is a necessary mod as well even on a stock car.
Homeboy the stock water to air intercooler can handle 700plus whp
@@alextrout2631 I doubt that
@@cammgt3rs370 Lol youre very misinformed. Theres no "1 step colder" plugs for the B58s, factory plugs are good for even high hp builds. And b58s have an air to water intercooler theres no air to air intercooler upgrade. Do your research before posting next time
@@cammgt3rs370 we want fax not your opinions homeboy