Tudor Is Going To Surpass OMEGA...what about ROLEX?
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Ever since the Black Bay dropped in 2012 Tudor hasn't missed a step. Most of their watches have been commercial successes and only made the brand grow faster. SO -- that begs the question, can Tudor become top dog? Is there a future where Tudor surpasses Rolex or is that absolutely impossible? We think it's only fitting that the crown remains number 1...but who else gets it's place on the podium?
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My experience buying my first watch is applicable to this video. I walked into the AD planning on buying a Seamaster, but I didn't like the way it looked on my wrist when I tried it on. I loved the Speedmaster on my wrist, but I didn't want to pay over $6000 at the time. I walked out with a BB58 and am still very happy with my purchase three years later.
I will say this.. Longines has been coming for Tudor lately. Making great watches
The longine Spirit Zulu definitely says that
@@dan4logic500 I bought one last year. Picked it over the pro. I get compliments all the time
I think longines needs to be more focused. Too many watches in their collection
Agree! Their recent 2-3 years release are amazing. They are filling in the gap for entry level luxury watches with great value
Heritage and gmt lines by them are amazing
Tudor makes watches closer to 50’s Rolex/Tudor. That’s what we really want. The closer y’all get to that, the more we will buy. Keep getting closer!
Ever heard of "Steinhart" ?
@@Thomgxx100not until you told me and I searched it. That’s why Doug will not gravitate to it.
@@jakealexander6046 Why? They can only go up in price. They are popular collectibles on the US market, and Sellita is one of Switzerlands most coolest independent watchmanufacturers ever. Buy low, sell high, is key to succes, Son, not snobbery!
@@Thomgxx100 I have, yes. Not a horrible homage, but when my kid looks at pictures of me on adventures while young and sees that watch on my wrist and thinks, man, dad was a bad ass and he’s wearing a freaking Rolex/or (Tudor)!! he gave me…it just doesn’t sound as sexy when you go, oh, it wasn’t a Rolex, it was a Rolex look-alike 🤷🏻♂️
Great statement
What a great video that is IMO 100% accurate. I made my first “luxury” (>$1000) watch purchase a couple of months back when I purchased the Black Bay 54. I’ve always loved the Rolex Submariner, but that was out of the price range and the 40+mm case size was less than optimal, as I prefer 36-39mm cases. When the BB54 came out with the vintage submariner aesthetics in a 37mm case, it was perfection.
Tudor isn't just popping out vintage style watches but also the pricing is vintage
I think omega felt the bite I the ankles...and the response has been bad : they have raised their prices on existing models with no real innovation. Their idea was probably to be closer of rolex in term of prices, and hence to hope that will bring the luxury aura of Rolex. The problem is that all rolex wannabees are NOT watch enthusiast and thus will not put their money in a watch that is not a rolex. In the meantime, this raise, has cut themselves from the lower tier of their customers that can not spend so much on a watch...so where do they go ? Well Tudor is the next in line with a great value for money, in fact exactly what omega used to be a couple of years ago...and here we are : omega in the no man's land...As an omega hard core fan, I am really pissed by this situation...
@@kyrilkaplan5011this is a really good breakdown, they want to be Rolex, but dont have the right customers. Maybe if they cut down on production time will be nice to them
@@kyrilkaplan5011 strange comment, many people that have Rolex’s like myself also have Omega’s and no Tudor’s. Tudor’s finish quality is so poor I have no interest in one, but yes I’m sure they are getting the “Doug” market since many non watch enthusiasts do not look at the details or movements. Personally think Omega has better finishing and movements then Rolex, Rolex has the cache and style for some of their watches which keeps them king of the mass market luxury brands.
@@Peter-tc3ep I never had an omega but I have a tudor and rolex. What sort of finishing is lacking from Tudor? Also do you like Grand Seiko? their dials are great and their finishing is good from what i’ve been hearing.
The pricing is literally vintage. Like the Ranger’s price is almost exactly the 1960’s price of a Rolex Explorer but adjusted for inflation.
Thing about Tudor is they've successfully made themselves fun to root for. Rolex, Omega, Patek -- they always win. Why cheer for them? Longines is has the same vibe as Tudor. They make mistakes but you just feel good about it when they make something cool.
I wouldnt compare Longines and Tudor because Longines have been making watches wayyyyyyyy before rolex and tudor started. Longines have its own vibe and value.
Longines is doing great, unbeatable at their price level.
It’s akin to buying a Porsche (arguably the Rolex of the car world?) and if you can’t afford it, you might go for a Mercedes Benz (Tudor) and still feel like you’re in a high tier.
Longines might be more akin to VW. Still good, reliable, a well-designed workhorse…but not a Mercedes.
Replace cars in this analogy as you see fit 😂
@@al-knows-nothing you have a terrible comparison between watches and cars.
@@MetalsForBrunch Ha well, I did make a mistake as I was changing car brands a lot. Edited to remove the Audi. Not a great analogy 😂
In short, buy what you like, what you can afford, and ignore the haters. They’re all great watches.
The end.
I remember first time trying Tudor, the smiley black bay. It was so simple watch, not blingy but fit perfectly in wrist. It looked natural & blending well in wrist.
When I wore omega, I can see I'm wearing omega, the watch pops out.
Tudor just gave the natural feeling
Hmm - interesting comparison. Tudor gets outsold by Longines, Tissot and TAG. Rolex, Cartier and Omega are true industry titans. Omega and Tudor are not in the same class.
You guys killed it with this episode! I’ve been saying this for the last couple of years, only to be blasted by Rolex fanboys. Totally agree that Tudor is on a winning trajectory. Love the brand, and the fact that all of their watches are robust and built for life.
Great content as always. I disagree with the premise that Tudor will eclipse Omega. I just don’t see it. I would feel as if I was settling if I bought a Tudor…but that is just me. In addition, I believe that Cartier watches eclipsed Omega in sales for the past three years according to the Morgan Stanley publication.
I agree. Tudor is never surpassing Omega. These utubers no nothing. Tudor is a poor man’s Rolex 😂😂😂😂😂
Tudor has only made marginal strides since the rerelease. All those designs from the 2010s from Tudor are not seen that much in the wild. The only real gem they have is the Tudor submariner IMO.
I fully agree. It’s not close IMO.
@@miabeatz80 I agree
@@BFit25 I agree
I had a very similar experience to the scenario that you outlined. Not a watch guy and I wanted a submariner. Find out its basically unobtainable unless I want to spend 15k (grey at the time). Find out about BB58. NOT ONE BAD REVIEW ON TH-cam. I wouldn't say it's the poor man's Rolex but it's the young professionals Rolex. Perfect watch as you join the workforce, out of college.
Great categorization. Not a poor man's rolex, but a watch for a younger and current generation that's relevant.
Spending $3k+ on a watch out of college is crazy HAHAHAH
@@mrCORSA Unless you worked hard and saved up quite a bit, or a humble trust fund kid
I love these videos and would gladly watch one every single day. You guys should bring these out more than you already are
I own several Tudors and an Omega so far. My feeling is that Tudor will not surpass them unless they reduce the thickness of their Black Bay line cases. And really, the snowflake hand needs to be smaller in width at the points. It's very chunky and reduces the refinement of the watch's appearance.
When did you get your BB? I ask because Tudor _is_ reducing the BB's thickness.
The first version of the 41mm BB that was thinner was the ceramic that was a bit of a niche watch, but now all the new master chronometers are thinner as well.
Also the BB54 is thinner in addition to being much smaller overall. BB58 arguably was a step to get there too.
I also want the snowflake hand to be less prominent. It distracts from reading the time. The thickness could be thinner I think the 54 does it well. I don’t know if I’m the only one but I like the ranger, but it looks like a homage watch could scratch that itch. Oh, and don't hold me back on Omega.
Omega watches are thicker than Tudor. You have a useless, overly large helium release valve on the diver. Tudor's B01 chronograph is a better chronograph movement than anything Omega produces. Omega produces shiny watches with a low power reserve. I know they are the moon watch, and the Gearge Daniels escapement but highly overrated. Grand Seiko is also far superior.
The HEV is a simply a design feature. Just like the overly distracting and distorting cyclops, as well as the snowflake hands. Different ppl get triggered by different stuff. And whats the adage again? Oh, "it grows on you".
1 thing that is true though. Only 1 BB actually got thinner - and thats the single METAS BB41.
The non METAS BB41s and BB GMTs are the same thickness. Maybe eventually they will thin out.
The BB54 and 58 are thinner for sure, but arent METAS. Hence poorer accuracy, lower anti-magnetism.
Generally, most Tudor divers are lower on specs as well. Lower on water resistance, regular dial surface, regular aluminium inserts on bezel, Pelagos line not withstanding. And thats arguably why they are easily cheaper as well. We havent even talk abt case finishing and movement finishing (because most non-geeks wldnt care anyway).
Tudor's T-Fit clasp works well though - however isnt it very long just like the SMP's clasp?
And if we are complaining abt watches being too thick. How do we even put the Black Bay chrono into the same conversation?
Lastly. Watches worn on space flights have to be manually wound with ease, due to the uncertain nature of the absence of gravity affecting the rotor's consistency in powering up the watch reserve in space. Manual-wound watches are therefore simply more reliable - in space. *Manual-wound watches are best fitted with a push-down crown due to the nature of the wearer's interaction with the crown. A watch that is inherently not suited for a screw-down crown, because of its need to be a manual-winding piece, will not be rated to more than 50m water resistance. There are very few exceptions to the norm. The Speedy Pro was made to be a Moonwatch (after passing the legendary tests). Its purpose was to be manned space flight certified. Hence keeping the aforementioned specs are its priorities. Criticising the Speedy Pro for not having 100m water resistance is as off-tangent as criticising a GMT-bezel for being bi-directional. These equipment were developed for their intended purpose.
*As to why watches with manual-wound movements are best fitted with push-down rather than screw-down crowns. You just need to research about the Panerai's initial developments with the Italian navy to see the problems with fitting a screw-down crown onto a watch with a manual-winding movement. That so-called "iconic" crown guard wasnt "iconic" by design nor intent. It was stop-gap measure to paper over a massive flaw in concept. You will never see that "iconic" crown guard in the same light again.
Yeah my BB is the GMT, but they all have had (the 41mm) that slab-sided case. Even some beveling would help with the appearance of it. I did note the New burgundy heritage this year and looks like they're finally addressing it. The snowflake on the 54 is, IMO, how they should all look. Unfortunately i have big wrists so the 58 and 54 don't quite look like sports watches on me.@@spoonraker
Tudor BB 36 or 39 are epic watches, considering a Rolex explorer is almost double the cost in most cases. There’s never double the level of quality !
Another great take! Wonderfully done gentlemen. Luis~ from Grand Caliber
I love my BB58 in Blue. I think the Pelagos 39 is as close to a perfect watch as exists. Tudor is on the right path. I hope they keep walking it
Love and OWN both brands, but Tudor above Omega is delusions of grandeur. Omega has more watchmaking prowess, and they SHOULD. They made the first movement with interchangeable parts. They made watches that survived both World Wars. They made the first water resistant watch, and then AFTER all that, they went to the moon. Tudor can't take the risk of poking that bear via storytelling. Holding both in-hand, Omega displays better machining, finishing, movement architecture, and material science.
These utubers Are delusional and they are getting kickbacks from Tudor. Tudor is never passing OMEGA Tudor is the poor man’s Rolex 😂😂😂😂😂
At 2 x the price
@@thegraciefighter102 not by a Longshot. Is an Aqua Terra 2x as much as a smooth bezel Black Bay 41? 🤣
Loved the discussion about the women's watches as I'm trying to find my fiance a nice luxury automatic watch and it has been a struggle. Longines master collection almost won and the tudor 1926 is great too but no good two tone options, which is a requirement of the fiancé.
Definitely one of the best videos you guys have have made. Great content
Tudor isn’t a Rolex company, Tudor and Rolex are both owned by the Wilsdorf Foundation. Rolex doesn’t own Tudor.
Great breakdown. Have two BB58s because the 39 works for me. Also love my 39 Explorer and 39 SeaQ. Considering the 39 Pelegose but not wild about the sunburst dial. I would love the Ed White Speedy size, but don't want to pay crazy money for a Speedy. If I go with a normal Speedy, it is 42.; which is not in my size range. I think your point.
Having an Omega SMP 300M Diver, Tudor Black Bay Pro, and Rolex DJ36 (fluted bezel, jubilee bracelet, blue-fluted motif dial), I can honestly say all 3 brands are exquisite at what they do within their price range. Tudor is gonna continue to dominate with hits as Omega increases prices and starts to price out buyers. Add the METAS factor to Tudor and it's gonna be hard for people to justify between the two if they are unsure. But at the end of the day people will still buy what they love....only if they can afford it.
I know its not gonna happen but if tudor makes the bb58 gmt pepsi they will break all numbers out there…
This is by far the best information on the internet. Why? One word: TRUTH. They don’t hold back and their insights are truly informative
It's worth noting that there are VASTLY more Omegas on the secondary market than Tudor, meaning you can buy many amazing Omegas for around $3k. Furthermore, there are lots of 39mm Speedy Reduceds and even 40mm ones for sale out there, in addition to the traditional 42s. Aqua Terras can be had in 34, 38, 38.5, and 41. So, I contend that Omega has at least as many size options as Tudor and far more interesting watches. I say that as an owner of four Tudors (but eight Omegas)!
Bravo! Somebody gets it. People who complain about omega watch sizes will never buy one. They just want an excuse to why they aren't buying. Speedy is currently the same thickness as a submariner but Rolex owners still find something else to complain about. OMG no micro adjust 🤬
Those secondary market watches hurt Omega. They have damaged their lines with too many variants and special editions. Tudor isn’t perfect but they are listening to collectors providing what people are asking for, slimmer cases and more size options. I just picked up a BB 41 jubilee champagne, it’s basically a DJ without the date, slim and curvy case, it blows away Aqua Terra at lower price point. Omega is slipping behind.
@@mkyhou1160 when you say it blows it away you must be talking about the way it fits. The finishing, movement, reliability and value retention of the AT is much better than the BB. IMO if Omega added a taper to the current AT it would be a near perfect watch.
@@mkyhou1160 also you may wanna take a look at all those JCPenney looking watches Tudor have in their catalog that aren't BB. Honestly I wish Tudor didn't have so many Rolex homage watches and had an independent identity as well as done innovation. Omega has too many references but truth be told they are moving the most units next to Rolex while Tudor isn't even close to Hamilton in units.
@@mkyhou1160 Look, both Omega and Tudor make excellent watches, as evinced by the fact that I own both. My point is simply that when Christian and Michael say that Omega doesn't have the size range of Tudor or that they are too expensive, they're talking through their collective behinds.
Fantastic discussion!
if Tudor really listens - pls remove faux rivets from BB41 oyster. Ty )
I am trying to get the black bay with red bezel on a jubilee bracelet and all the stores near me said they are having issues getting enough stock of it. The ADs all told me they did not expect the new Tudor to be selling this well
Sample size of one, but my wife has an Apple watch, a Tudor BB 31 blue dial, and a Nomos Tangente 33. I'd say she wears 45% Apple, 45% Tudor, and 10% (at most) Nomos. I think for many women somewhere in the BB 31/36 or 54/58 range is about perfect.
Well I think certain Tudor watch models will eclipse some of rolex lower end models. For example I believe the Tudor black bay chronograph will eclipse definitely like a date just or even shall I say a submariner. Let’s think it’s a dive watch and a chronograph and it looks like one of the most desirable Daytonas ever made 6263 that go for quarter of a million dollars minimum . My panda dial Tudor black bay chrono looks identical accept it has a date at 6 o’clock which is way more useful then a 24 hour dial imho and is 3 mm bigger which is absolutely awesome. Hey guys I was thinking about selling you my watch yesterday and I sent you pictures, but you totally convinced me to keep it with this video fellas!
Great stuff guys
Kinda bummed you would suggest a Black Bay vs an Explorer, I think the Ranger from Tudor is a far easier pivot! I also think the Ranger is the first line that they can really push beside the black bay.
I would get rid of the non-divers black bays in favor of a return of the princes and princesses if I was in charge!
Tudor is my favorite watch brand last year and this year. Really hate how Rolex treat their customers nowadays, used to love them and always wanted to own another. I got my first submariner 10 years ago, it was an amazing experience.
Hey guys. Interesting video as always but I have a friendly suggestion. Stop down your lens for a less shallow depth of field or move the focus point back a bit. When you ( Christian ) lean back you are out of focus and that happens a lot. Other than that, great as always. Cheers
Nico chimed in on this, too. Having said that, taking into account my own financial situation, we might as well be talking about real-estate prices on Mars.
I am the verge of making a watch purchase in the Omega & Tudor realm. I am leaning towards the Omega for a couple of reasons. The first reason I like the Omega over the Tudor is the dial, bracelet, and clasp on the Seamaster 300 over the Tudor Dials and T-fit clasp. The second reason I like the Omega better is the lack of a poor mans Rolex antidote. The small differences in the Omega features are worth the 2K price difference.
Owner of a speedy and seamaster here (felt it is important to note this :D).
The type of people that consider Tudor the poor man's Rolex, more often than not also consider Omega to be that... if you can walk in an AD and buy the watch for less than a Roley, you're not rich enough for a Roley...
It's only watch nerds like us that can appreciate and respect all 3 brands but also see their flaws.
Always pick the watches you love! Don't be unnecessarily loyal to a brand, it's allowed to be part of multiple :D
Sounds like you have decided you want an omega . Great choice I'm a pelagos LHD owner myself. You shouldn't be listening to the idiots who think Tudor is a poor man's Rolex most don't have a clue. You should be buying the watch you want their opinion is irrelevant, they can buy whatever they want too
Doesn’t matter which you pick bud. Buy what you like, not what others say is good or whatever.
Tag, Longines, Tudor, Omega, Rolex, Zenith, Patek, Breitling, Ball, Vulcain…Et cetera. They are all extremely capable of telling the time and being serviced. Which do you like on your wrist? That’s all that matters.
No-one else in your life will give a toss.
I’ve owned modern Omega, Tudor, Rolex, JLC…all sold after experiencing them. No one cared but me. No one matters to be frank, but me and my opinion.
If owning an Omega is part of your goals, then do it! But, don’t be sad if you don’t buy one because you prefer a Longines, or a Tudor, or a Casio!
I bought a Tudor Black Bay basically because I couldn’t get a Rolex Submariner. I finally got a used Rolex Sub, and I ended up selling it and buying a Tudor GMT instead. Sometimes I think I should have just bought the GMT first and stopped there, but then I look at my Black Bay and I’m glad I still have it.
Just got a green seamaster 300m and love it , the build quality is fantastic
I bought a Tudor Pelagos 42. Love it. So many people comment about it.
I literally tried on a blackbay chrono shortly after they refined it… Was looking on TH-cam for opinions and everyone loved it… I went back and bought the reverse panda later that week. Just how you said it happens! 😂
Tudor seems to have had a good year in terms of direction. That BB54 is a great example of honing the BB to its full potential. It won’t be for everyone except those in the know, but the BB54 needs to be there. That said, Tudor doesn’t offer the kind of range of watches that Omega offers, not even close. They’ve got the BB & Pelagos, the rest shows potential but take something like the 1926, very much in need of refresh.
While it seems reasonable to see Tudor as nipping at the heels of Omega, other strong players are catching on to Tudor’s comfy corner of the market place. They likely recognize it’s a niche where a lot of people are able to spend a modestly sizable chunk of cheddar without a ton of guilt or remorse, find a lot of satisfaction, then continue the process off on to the next watch in due time. From around 3-5K things start getting pretty damned good.
Now Longines, Oris, Baume et Mercier and others are starting to target that price point and things should get interesting.
Personally, I love Omega, though out of 1600 SKU’s I might pay attention to a dozen at most. I don’t believe this quiet year can only signal trouble at Omega.
I do wish Omega would focus on skimming down their watches. Look at what it did for the revived ‘57 Speedmaster. I own a Railmaster which I hear is on the cusp of being pulled from the line again- it’s a great wearing watch, way more impressive in person. Omega- trim the fat please.
I’d love to see Omega find way to promote and develop their Globemaster. More offerings like the ‘48 Seamaster. Offer sone fine smaller better proportioned watches, that’s a hallmark of vintage watches, that can even be offered in a new design.
Fellas what about a live Q&A? that would be awesome
How did we not bring up the new big block chrono movement from one watch? Speaking of other model lines...
What Tudor model is on the videos thumbnail.
Tudor also has the liberty to be much more experimental, providing a sense of innovation that Rolex later adopts. From using more niche case materials to aggressively changing the design of the Pelagos or producing outright novel models (P01). It's an easy winner for anyone that likes the Rolex design, quality and looks just packaged in a different brand and style.
My wife isn’t that into watches (so I’m her watch sommelier). She’s got an Apple Watch, Cartier Tank Solarbeat, the Longines moon phase you showed, a 38mm teal dial Seiko 5, and a DJ31 steel and YG fluted/jubilee. I could not get her at all interested in Tudor, even though I really like Tudor and have one myself.
Purchased a new pelagos 39 from AD. Piss poor quality control with regards to movement and bezel lume. Tudor customer service is some of the worst I have dealt with. Realized I bought it because of all the online praise, but in person it is a very underwhelming watch, and then the subsequent problems with it means I am pretty much done with Tudor.
As I sit here with my new Seiko 5GMT I totally still want the Tutor Pro.
The new Tudor Blackbay Burgundy 5 link is beautiful
If you look at a 1980s TAG Heuer catalogue they used to make a lot of watches in three different sizes, some even in 4 different sizes. I can't understand why they can't do this these days, and I mean identical... not the 43mm has a ceramic bezel the 40mm, is steel, all the same.
Ah just in time for lunch. Cheers lads.
Holding out for a 41MM, blue bezel/dial on jubilee bracelet. I think that would be beautiful watch. Who knows...Maybe next year?
I do own BB58 bronze boutique edition and FXD22 and I am hooked.. I would love to have a Rolex but I am not spending double above the retail and waiting for a year+ is annoying AF
I'm a female fan! And I collect vintage watches. You can ask me. But maybe I'm so unusual (in the 3% of your audience) that my opinion doesn't matter/isn't representative. Personally, I like vintage Omegas (they are smaller than current Omegas, most of which would never fit my 6.5 inch wrist), and I have three of them. Not likely to buy a Tudor, though, unless it is for my son. As Christian said, I want something more playful, more fun. I feel like I could find that in a vintage but quirky Cartier (like a wooden dial Tank), an Omega, or a Universal Geneve, or a watch from the "Grand Seiko vs King Seiko" showdown era, but not a Tudor. Sorry Tudor fans, please don't come for me! But hey, they don't need me or my demographic. They are killing it and I am the unusual one.
TBH Longines is killing it ATM...most interesting prestigious watch Brand at around 3 to 4k right now
And it’s the Pegalos that will do it its definitely growing on me especially that matt finish it’s just something different compared to the submariner and all the shiny style watches
Yea i have the fxdmn21 and the bb58 925 love those
You want what you want and you should never compromise. I know every Tudor model and since they're half the price as a Sub and much easier to obtain at retail I looked into them. Ultimately it would be a mistake for me to buy one because every time I would look down at the time I would think to myself "oh I settled, that's not my grail watch."
My wife loves the BB32 silver dial it would be great if they made the 32mm in more feminine coloured dials
Yes i totally agree!
Having different sizes foe the same watch is a huge differentiator. Im stunned Omega doesnt get it especially with the Aquaterra. How come there is no 36mm Aquaterra. It's crazy to me. Finally went for the OP36 despite trying the 38mm Aquaterra many times and trying to convince myself that itns the one.
Because there’s already a 38mm and a 41mm Aqua Terra 🤦🏻
I just want to know the story behind Michael's "piszkos gyerek" tattoo on his arm as I'm watching this video from Budapest :D lol
I just bought a Tudor Pepsi GMT on a leather strap. Awesome watch
I can't decide if I want a Cartier tank must or a Tudor pelagos 39. I wan't both watches and will probably have both in the end but can't decide what to get first. If the cartier had 50m of water resistance I'd get that first and put it on a nice bracelet, but the cartier specs are weak af comparing to the tudor. Suggestions?
The Tudor, because you can wear it everyday everywhere. The tank is a dress watch, but if you line of work requires a business dress code, go with the tank.
Tudor need to fully convert the domed bezel Black Bays into a Datejust style watch by introducing Stick and a Roman markers. Then they should change the name to "Prince"
Amazing episode. You two are fantastic! Thank you
I own a Tudor and an Omega. I'm good on Tudor's but I can think of 6 more Omega's that I want.
Bought my wife a tudor royal 38mm. Looks really good on her, i think that is Tudors womans watch although I am aware men can wear it. I also own a Tudor Harrods Black Bay and an Omega planet ocean. Both great watches. Omega seems slightly more refined but costs a lot more.
Where’s Christian’s shirt from though????
I think Tudor should employ exhibition case-backs and invest in some fine decoration. That would help close the gap between them and Omega from a visual appearance point of view. I get that closed case-backs are consistent with vintage styling, but I think the average consumer would appreciate it.
They had at least 3 watches with exhibition case-backs. The BB58 925 and gold. The BB Ceramic. They may have more. I think the reason they don’t do this more is their movement isn’t very decorated.
They cld go exhibition caseback. But they would have to invest a lot more in movement finishing. The combination of those 2 upgrades would all but close away the $2k gap in their price tag against a comparable Omega piece - and along with that, Tudor's most enticing selling point against Omega as well. Keeping materials cheaper, case finishing simpler, movement finishing industrial, is how Tudor stays cheaper.
Maybe for some models, but the dive watches are very tool-ish. Putting an exhibition case back on them removes that.
How so? I've heard that argument before but don't buy it. Omega Planet Ocean models have display backs and insane depth ratings. We're in the modern age. A sapphire crystal pressed against your wrist is not going to be an issue in the water, IMHO. I'm sure technically it's more at risk of an issue, but in reality, I don't think that would ever happen@@jaykwonzzz
@@jaykwonzzz I have to agree 👍 I don't care about a open case back on a dive watch and prefer a solid case back. It just feels like its trying to be something it isn't. Now a Zenith El primero with a open case back is a different story and own one. Even though I probably looked at the movement only once or twice lol and it really doesn't feel like something I "Have to have"
I totally agree that they need a perfect women’s watch! I personally own a BB32 smiley and it’s beautiful but I would totally get another. Or even bring back the lady sub, that would be cool
Surprised with your comment about there isn't a Speedmaster for you, unless you just mean new models. I'd think a Mark 40 Triple Date would be perfect size for what you like?
I have a new Rolex Airking, a Tudor BB54, Omega Aqua terra and a new Green Seamaster 300. I love them all but my BB54 is one I just can't take off.
"Tudor is going to surpass Omega." Yeah, no. Tudor will forever live in Rolex's shadow as the Rolex homage brand.
Movement-wise Tudor doesn't even come close to Omega's co-axial.
Tudor is a poor man’s Rolex 😂😂😂 Tudor will never be AS GOOD AS OMEGA.
what does a curator of a podcasr mean anyway
I love the Omega brand - their story, history, etc...is great. Unfortunately their watches just don't appeal to me (a person with small wrists). Their movement is just too chunky and dial size variations are limited.
You caught me with a possible purple black bay or even a pelagos..... Stop toying with me. Yes purple is the next color to take off.... Stop baiting me with my favorite color.
How about a GMT Blueberry Tudor for next year? ( on jubilee bracelet)⭐️🤙
Thing is, Tudor is all Black bay these days, almost as much as AP is a Royal Oak company. I guess you could call it a unified design language, but to me it seems that Tudor makes one watch in various sizes/bezels. And if you like that style then great, and if you don't you buy elsewhere. We all know Omega makes too many variants of the Speedmaster, but at least it's distinct from the Seamaster/Aquaterra/Constellation etc
That part! Also Omega has a heritage of unique designs not homage designs from the parent company.
So wish, Omega just condenses the watchlines to 1 watch per line with 3 dials (black / Blue/ White) And 2 sizes.
Seamaster: x3 dials (minus the helium valve) 36mm + 41mm
Planet Ocean: stand-alone line for deep ocean diver. (41mm 43mm)
Speedmaster: x1 Manual wind moon watch (41mm)
X1 automatic “non moon watch Chronograph” (41mm)
Globe master: 36mm + 41mm
Stand-alone flagship Omega GMT
36mm + 41mm
Omega Constellation: carve it out as separate line and use it as “new integrated bracelet” offer in the market. (36mm / 41mm)
Three dial colors only…boring.
@@MPerry-ox9qb start with basics and build from there. Majority of the buyers stick to safe standard dials.
I think the 58 cases are fine for a modern watch. Anything smaller and you are in vintage territory.
Great video gentlemen. So owning both Omega (SMP300) and Tudor (BB) watches I tend to pick up my Tudor more than my Omega. I just feel Omega has gone a bit stale in the last few years. They literally just release the same watch in different dial colors and limited editions (how many damn versions of the Speedy do we need?). Omega had a great opportunity to do something special with the SMP 300 anniversary this year and of course they just changed the dial color and changed the case back (damn that bracelet is still trash). Tudor on the other hand seems to be releasing hit after hit every year while pricing their watches competitively. Forget about Omega competing with Rolex. It's more like Omega is competing with Tudor now. One big reason Tudor has risen so quickly in a short period time is that they listen to their customers unlike Omega who clearly has not been. Either way both brands are great, but Omega better wake up if they want to stay dominant.
Here's something to consider. Since Rolex only makes marginal and slow updates to all their models aren't they doing the same thing Omega is NOW doing which is just new dials 🧐. Every time Omega makes a change Rolex and Tudor fans always say they aren't timeless. It's a confusing argument. Omega has been updating it's technology in between putting out new models so when the updates come they are quantitative.
@@miabeatz80 I partially agree with you. The reason Rolex only makes minor changes to their lines is because their watches are nearly perfect to most consumers. Watch enthusiasts have been practically begging Omega to slim down their watches and taper their bracelets. As we know Omega continues to ignore this and releases the same watches year after year with minor tweaks (mainly dial colors). So, if Omega delivered the watches the consumers are wanting then they also could play the Rolex game and only tweak their watches slightly every year or two.
@@kevinp4305 I hear you. At the same time there's two sides of the story. You have the folks who LOVE and have already bought multiple Seamasters. Then you have (let's call it like it is) mostly Rolex owners who want to buy an Omega, who want a slimmer bracelet. What happens when they taper it only to upset current buyers. It's like me being an Omega fan who wants Rolex to remove the cyclops before I'll buy one. Same goes for the helium escape valve. 😂 These features make the watch unique from other brands and create an easily recognizable silhouette.
@@kevinp4305 It's like when folks ask for a 40mm speedy... That would completely ruin the legibility of the watch. Same reason they don't offer the reduced anymore.... They simply weren't selling. Same with the 36mm Seamaster.
The unique features are one thing, but the case thickness for example is another. The Tudor BB is a thick watch, but after listening to consumers, they slimmed it down and even created new slimmer watches (Pelagos 39, BB54) to appease their customer base. It definitely worked. @@miabeatz80
ONE Tudor is metas, and it’s their worst one.
Wait a second…
Speedmasters are available in 38mm
39.7 mm
42 mm
43 mm
44.25 mm
Is it then about the same look across the sizes?
I’m 5 years I see Tudor just releasing more BB but also more Pelagius. They might bring something out of left field but it won’t take off further then release day
There are smaller Speedmasters. They are actually really nice.
Tudors quality control issues this year, i believe, could be a large hindrance if they don’t start fixing it.
I think omega felt the bite I the ankles...and the response has been bad : they have raised their prices on existing models with no real innovation. Their idea was probably to be closer of rolex in term of prices, and hence to hope that will bring the luxury aura of Rolex. The problem is that all rolex wannabees are NOT watch enthusiast and thus will not put their money in a watch that is not a rolex. In the meantime, this raise, has cut themselves from the lower tier of their customers that can not spend so much on a watch...so where do they go ? Well Tudor is the next in line with a great value for money, in fact exactly what omega used to be a couple of years ago...and here we are : omega in the no man's land...As an omega hard core fan, I am really pissed by this situation...
Rolex doesn't want my money. why should I give to the sister company?
Great video. I recently purchased a BB58, partially for building a relationship with a new AD but more importantly because I loved the watch. I was between Rolex Sub, Speedmaster, Santos and BB58 and I chose that one not because of the price TBH, rather based on how awesome it wears on my wrist and how easy it is to live with it everyday.
I don’t know what other women like but I like automatic watches between 36 and 38mm; brands with some History attached and good reliable movement. That’s why I struggle because most brands don’t respect us as truly watch enthusiasts and offer quartz versions plenty of diamonds and horrendous color choices. My 3 watch collection: Rolex explorer; Tudor BlackBay 36 and Cartier Santos.
Thanks for the video ❤
"Men's" watches look great on women, so as part of the watch fam, at least there are options. Unisex watches aren't there yet I feel. Cheers
Nothing makes me more upset than seeing the women’s watches downgraded with a battery! Ugh! Also i know wearing men’s watches is always an option but I feel like we deserve our own space in the market. Cool watch collection too!
@@emiliezc spot on
The Tudor big block in your collection is where it’s at. 🔥
They should make a tudor with a Rolex crown and Chase back like they did when they first came out that would be awesome
Christian, please answer your emails. I’ve sent two of them that have not been responded to. I’m having problems with a band that was incorrectly sent.
Love Tudor, fantastic quality for the money.
I really regret buying the black bay gmt … it’s just so thick.. looks all high up and silly on the wrist … I know you didn’t ask or anything….
I remember when the black Bay first released in the late 2010s and I tried them on. Hockey puck on the wrist. I also couldn't get over the fake rivets which are not a flattering design choice. All of their gold watches look like they are gold plated 🤮
Your best episode lately. Pure watch marketing strategy and fun discussion. As for the topic of the video, I owned both brands - Omega has a huge catalog but I won’t wear any of it’s designs (I respect the Speedy and owned 2 references). Honestly, Omega’s only timepiece that speaks to me is the MoonSwatch. Fun, joyful, important for the industry and watch fans and based on a Speedy design. The rest of their catalog is just odd. With Tudor, I feel like I can wear most of their designs. They are relevant to me and my lifestyle even though there are only a few of them compared to Omega never ending catalog. Among other watches in my collection, I own the FXD and a blue Black Bay, alongside a 16040M and can’t thing of bringing any Omega to our little party.
And yeah, the MoonSwatch isn’t part of their catalog as well 😂
The Moonswatch is not an Omega how did you even make that distinction. This is why? The moonswatch annoys me. It's a Swatch just because it says Omega on the dial doesn't make it an Omega and it's only sold at Swatch boutiques
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 that’s the point my friend. Read again.
Tudor v omega movements? Omega wins hands down
I don't know if anyone's told you two this, but Omega has been to Earth's moon. I think I spelled that correctly, "moon"
In all seriousness, I like seeing what Tudor is doing with the 54 that warms me up closer to the brand. Omega's biggest feather in their cap to compete is the anti-magnetism -I think- which matters in the world of electronics and such. Does it impress enough people to choose Omega though?
They both use anti magnetic hairsprings. Not sure where another difference in anti magnetism is. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
I think Tudor is just really shitty in communicating the anti-magnetism.