@@TeddyBaldassarre I actually find it distressing how knowledgeable, well spoken, and generally well put together you are. And probably not even 30? I'm distressed.
Your videos helped me decide which watch should be my first and envigorated my passion for horology and I wanted to say that I'm very grateful for that. I have my Orient Mako 2 with a beautiful blue sunburst dial on my wrist as I write this comment. I find joy in taking care of this watch, winding it every morning and I proudly wear it everyday. Thank you for what you do, Teddy. You're helping thousands of people in their horology journey.
Swatch are progressively moving Omega up the chain. Given recent Longines launches…to include the new Conquest…I believe Swatch are moving Longines up to compete against Tudor…and moving Tissot up to cement entry level
Until recently, Longines and Tudor, and Omega and Rolex, competed at similar price points. This looks like Swatch Group increasing their prices to match Rolex price increases. Mido and Rado would be the Swatch brands best positioned to move up into the price range previously inhabited by Longines.
I like Tudor but the breadth of what Omega does, puts them in another category. And Omega’s high end pieces are head and shoulders above Tudor (and Rolex). Glad you don’t look down your nose at quartz watches. ❤️ Quartz snobbery is nauseating. They have their own set of attributes to admire. And higher end quartz can be pretty darn complicated.
Thank you for the video and congratulations on your upcoming wedding! I thought it was so nice to mention the watch you would be wearing to your wedding, to honor your great-grandfather in a special way. When I got married 12 years ago, I wore my father's watch, (he had passed away unexpectedly nearly 20 years prior). For me, it not only honored him, but allowed for him to be present with me on my special day. I still wear it often as a reminder of his dedication to family, and for me to strive to be as great a man as he was!
With less than 10 beautiful watches still running well in my collection, I don't consider myself to be a watch collector. But my watch background really comes from my uncle, who was probably the greatest watchmaker in Lebanon. As a young kid, I used to sit beside him and enjoy watching him do a full service on those tiny gold ladies' Omegas, a think very few watchmakers could bother to even try doing. .. And throughout watching many episodes on your channel Teddy, I honestly haven't had anything to disagree with you upon 👍 .. Congrats on your wedding and best wishes 💐
Brands that cater to women begins and ends with Omega. Omega has great options for the woman in your life. 8yrs ago on a travel to Anaheim CA with my wife of 28yrs then, we went into an Omega boutique at South Coast Plaza. It was a birthday gift purchase and she love the Constellation with mother of pearl dial. We had a great time with the staff and them with us that the shop manager made us dinner reservation at a Flemmings type and quality restaurant at the Plaza on Omega's expense. It was a great overall experience!
It’s funny how my watch journey started at Quartz and ended up at Quartz once again. I ONLY wear Quartz these days. From lower end g shock to higher-end Grand Seikos, I’ll take practicality and accuracy over service costs that cost as much as the watch itself. Also, Grand Seiko High Accuracy Quartz (5 to 10 seconds a YEAR) are advanced movements with hand craftsmanship, incomparable to mall watch Quartz. There’s more of a reason to romanticize there than in mass-produced Seiko automatic movements that are also used by 3rd parties.
As someone who moved his family to Buffalo 25 years ago (and people were baffled), I get Cleveland. We visit often and love the city. I also love your show, for what it's worth.
Ted, if I have watch of the family like you do, I would absolutely wear that to my biggest day, no question about that, makes more history to it, add more great moments to it, it's your legacy.
I have many automatics, one spring drive, and a 9F Grand Seiko. The 9F is arguably my favorite piece in my collection. Nothing better than having a watch that is always spot on time.
Teddy's points on mechanical vs quartz are all great points. But for me, there's one more key point he missed: The smoother sweep of the second hand on a mechanical watch is more aesthetically pleasing than the second-jump on quartz. (And the even more smooth movement of the second hand on spring drive is the thing I love most about that movement.)
Great video Congratulations on your upcoming wedding and hope you both have an incredible day (+life together). Loved hearing about your hometown Ohio, Cleveland and quality of life. So important. Thanks for making these videos answering our questions, with your encyclopaedic knowledge of watches !
Bought an automatic Breitling Chronomat A13050 not too long ago, I’ve been seeing soooo many Omega Quartz Seamasters that are at a great price point, definitely gonna jump the gun and buy one soon
Just bought my first watch. Not knowing anything about watches, I took to eBay where I bought a Tudor because I thought it looked a little funnier and different than the rest. Turned out to be a Prince Quartz Oysterdate. I love its retro-futuristic look. …now I get to buy another watch because I was looking for a mechanical.
I don’t get the hate for quartz either. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want a whole collection of quartz, but I do love having a few quartz watches that I know will just be ready to go, and don’t have to worry about servicing or any other intricacies that come with mechanicals.
On those occasions when you didn’t know you were going to go out but suddenly are at the last minute you can get dressed, put on a quartz watch and go without needing to wind or set it and meet up with whoever you’re meeting up with on time.
@@bikeman123 you do know that 90% of all automatic watches, including swiss "luxury" and top range are already made an assemble by robots right? And they are a few top quartz watches like Grand Seiko who are assembled by human hand?
Teddy, thanks for the thoughtful piece about Cleveland. I was born and raised in Cleveland (live in Atlanta for the last several years) and agree with the charm and appeal factor. A great place to ground and feel grounded.
When it comes to quartz, I like the accuracy and depending on the brand depends if I will buy it i.e Omega, JLC, Grand Seiko. I do appreciate the mechanical aspect of watches too and the art of it. To me it’s about build quality and dial when it comes to purchasing. If there were two options for the same watch in Quartz and mechanical by a brand like Omega, I’d go Quartz for low service costs and I can wear the watch for all scenarios and just enjoy it without fear of being damaged. But that’s just me.
I think having a mechanical movement is just satisfying, I know quartz will always be more accurate but having gears and rotors making the second hand sweep and hearing the movement makes it so cool for me
@@SW-8228Sure. For me though I think the compromises were not worth it. Expensive cost of ownership, movement slowing down over time, variations in accuracy, daily shifts in time +\-. Personally I prefer to know the time, and if I can trust a mechanical then the artsy nature of it is meaningless.
Speaking of quartz, I'd like to see a video explaining the differences in the levels of quartz movements. For example, a $30 Casio, a $375 Tissot PRX, and an Omega at multiples of those prices?
the material used in it, and some complexity of it i guess .. some of the watch using gold soldering to preserve the quality. for complexity, on grand Seiko (spring drive) , it has like 40 percent of mechanical-type part for the power. no need battery for it
Love these Q&As! If you ever decide to dial the video content down for whatever reason (hope you don’t!) please keep these. Love it. Also - I own one Omega and it’s a DeVille. Thanks for giving this one its proper spotlight!
Wearing pricy mechanical watches everyday, but sometimes I wake up a bit late and I have no taste for using the same watch like yesterday, and I always have a pair of elegant quartz waiting ready for me, and a box full of Casio for a field day 🤷♂️
After owning a bunch of automatics and moving to HAQ I don't think I could go back to autos again. Not even for a Rolex. It's just a pain having to check after waking how far my watch has strayed. Perhaps I'd try GS spring drive, but even then you could argue it's a convoluted way of using mechanical to achieve near-quartz accuracy.
To each his own and you make a valid point, for me tho I love a mechennical movement, yes its a pain in the rear but its so nice having something that does not have any electronics esspeically in a world where everything has a electronic output. Tho I think every collection would benefit from a quartz watch.
I have quartz and mechanical. I mainly wear my mechanicals when I go out. But when I work, time is very important for my line of work down to the second, so a quartz watch or smart watch is essential. I like the mechanical aspect of automatic watches, at the same time, I like the accuracy of quartz watches especially Citizens. Smart watches are amazing too.
@@bertholdbach4959 G-Shock GWB-5000 Titanium, Black DLC. 2nd most expensive is the Tissot PRX Quartz Blue dial @ $350. Both were bought from AD's. Then about 15 casio's and g-shocks of varying price. ( Also bought a 14K gold plated dress in in 1997 for $750, still have it, but it needs a service, eats batteriers in 30 days)
@@bertholdbach4959I have a Sinn UX and Grand Seiko SBGX343. Both rated to +/- 10s a year. I'd find it very difficult to go back to an automatic after using these tbh.
@@drmanhattan225 Quartz is my preferred watch for travelling. I've had auto watches drop 10 mins in one day due to ??? magnetism, shock...who knows. My quartz watches are just more reliable.
Teddy, I live just around the corner in Geauga County. I love this area, I love for all the reasons you laid out. Thanks for letting the world know what a great place this is.
As a owner of many quality watches, four of these are Tag Heuer Quartz, these four are such accurate time keepers, during a year they are accurate to within a few seconds,and its nice to wear a watch which displays accurate time, and i dont need to wind them. 👍 😉
I have a 04 Aquaracer and a old formula 1 both in quartz. I have many autos but love these tags soo much. I’m looking to buy a pre tag professional 1000 one day. They are sweet but not cheap for a old quartz watch.
Cleveland is way underrated. Sports enthusiasts like you cannot believe. My 80 yr old auntie had more baseball knowledge in her pinky than I had in my whole body. Put In Bay, summer on the lake, great music scene, I grew up out west, but loved visiting relatives now and then. If you are Italian, Slovenian, Hungarian, or Croatian by descent, you probably have relatives there.
Movement-wise I absolutely agree, my Eco-Drive field watch gains about 3 to 5 seconds a month, has half a year of power reserve and does not need to be serviced at all. Controversial opinion: I absolutely prefer solar and quartz movements to manual or automatic ones except when you have the high-end finishing of A Lange & Söhne and co.
@@a3l0e0x3 Have you looked at the Citizen Chronomaster. Accurate to 1 second a year, perpetual calendar, a up graded EcoDrive and made of the finest titanium and sapphire crystal.
You mentioned Elgin watches, and I’m glad you did. My hometown in South Carolina (Elgin, formerly Blaney) changed its name to Elgin because of a competition from Elgin Watches. My favorite piece of my collection, albeit the one I wear the least, is one from the first year we went to production in Elgin, SC.
Thanks for addressing the Omega vs Tudor argument. It is an absolute insult to Omega for not only comparing the 2 but to actually think that Tudor will overtake Omega? No chance. Omega has heritage, history, and significant iconic models. However, that doesn't mean that Tudor doesn't make great watches, they do. It's just that they still haven't impacted the industry with a special iconic model yet, although the Pelagos lineup is the most special now and may become a future classic. The other models are just.... rehashes/redesigns of existing or historic Rolex models but at a lower price point. And therefore the brand will still forever be associated with Rolex in this way, it is the literal history of Tudor.
Who gives a shit? Wear what you enjoy. Nobody cares about the “heritage” of your watch and it’s really quite cringy that people choose a watch based off some ridiculous intangible criteria. I daily wear a Zenith and their brand “history” has never crossed my mind. I love the design and high-beat movements. That’s about as far as it goes.
The Tudor push is just a TH-cam influencer thing. It's affecting the enthusiasts that follow the net, etc, but that only goes so far. Teddy I think is spot on here with the real situation between Tudor vs Omega.
Odd comparison. Tudor’s biggest hits are copying Rolex’s homework. Omega is in a different tier with a history that predates Rolex and several noteworthy achievements. What next? BMW vs. Kia…? A more apt comparison is perhaps Longines or Breitling vs. Tudor.
I visited Cleveland, OH last year and I was there for six months for treatment at CC. I stayed at North Olmsted. I just love it. I’m looking forward visiting it again.
I love my Citizen FE 0200 56E..... Eco-Drive divers 200m titanium last you a lifetime never need another battery and only loses or gains a few seconds a year you could actually get stranded on a desert island with this watch and be able to tell the time consistently every day...... I use this to set my automatic mechanical watches when they stop
Teddy and team, Well done video. I always learn something new watching each presentation. Buying my third watch from Jon next week. Thank you for sharing your expertise. Stay well!
I think you are right that a lot of watch collectors look at the technology through rose colored glasses. The thought is, mechanicals are heirloom quality stuff that we can pass onto our grandchildren, just as you, and I still own our grandfathers' vintage Wittnauers. Needless to say, the fact that a working man's watch from 50, 60, even 75 years ago is still capable of keeping reasonable time so many years later is remarkable. But realistically, how many mechanical watches on the market today, including well into the upper mid range are actually hand built? The truth is, most mechanicals these days are made in factories with little or no hand finishing. And, especially at the lower end of the market, how many will be worth servicing or repairing 10 or 20 years from now when they start to fail? And based on the track record of older quartz, it is likely the better quality quartz movements will still be running 15 or 20 years from now. So the equation of how long you will get to enjoy the watch without major service seems to balance out. As for the preference for a smooth sweeping seconds hand over a once per second quartz, I think that is just something we just tell ourselves. It used to matter to me, but doesn't really anymore.
Great video, tons of knowledge. And kudos sticking to your guns on Cleveland. You have a great career going. Congrats on the upcoming nuptials and thank you for all the terrific content.
As someone who has almost no budget for collecting watches, I'm grateful that there are nice-looking watches that I can afford because they're quartz. I realize that some people view watches almost like baseball cards or something, and that's fine, but I only care about a watch 1) working well 2) looking pleasant and 3) being less than $100 (being less than $50, even better.) Rarity or how the insides work aren't something I think much about.
Big fan of your channel and I love how you do longer form Q&A than others. I think this is also the perfect format of video to cover new offerings on the site or any other news on that front.
(Rolex CPO) Imagine walking into a car dealership, asking for the new 2023 model, and they tell you, “we don’t have those in stock right now, but we can sell you a USED 2021 model for only 🗣️ 5-GRAND MORE THAN THE BRAND NEW 2023!!” 😑
@@thetruthhurts7500 by “the game” you mean buttering up the pockets of the AD with watches you don’t care about to someday finally get “the call” for a time-only Explorer?…that game?? Good for you mate!
@@AP20009 you do realize there are those of us out there who genuinely enjoy watches other than rolex and are happy to buy omega, Tudor, Blancpain, cartier etc. because we like this brands in addition to rolex right?
@@lost5587 preaching to the choir. I’m one of them. Not sure I needed this reminder based on my original post which is about the craziness of the Rolex market which now allows Rolex to join in on the pre-owned market fun via CPO.
Well, I guess it depends on what car dealership you walked into, doesn't it? You'd roll your eyes at a Kia or Honda dealership, but there was a time when cars like the PT Cruiser or the Tesla 3, certain Mustangs, were in such heavy demand that someone would've taken the dealer up on that offer. I don't know why we're all supposed to fault Rolex for making a product that people are willing to overpay for, when it's the buying public that creates this condition.
As a Chicago native who has been to Cleveland, I can totally appreciate your feelings about that town...especially the food scene, the Orchestra (and R&R HoF) and the perks of living by a large lake. Is there a pool somewhere covering what other watch you would be wearing on your wedding day? (BTW Congrates!!!) I would guess your Reverso.
I think watch winders are a great tool as long as you buy a good quality unit that support multiple TPD's (650 and up to cover most mechanical movements), selectable CW, CCW, or both direction turns, intermittent winding, and have a 12 hour rest period. Basically these features simulate how a person would wear the watch. The best units use mabuchi motors which are very quiet.
@@davidprescott9586 I am using the "Vancouver Watch Winder for 2" from a company called "Cuffed". It is a Chinese model sold here in Australia. It has all the features I have listed above. There are other variants from the same source but there maybe different offerings in your country.
@@Mega-zi7ys You are absolutely right. Tudor is in the same category as Longines. Each brand has some strengths over the other, but they are pretty much in the same level.
Hey Teddy I'm from the Uk and I used to live in Cleveland Ohio and have revisited 9 times over the years , Next time I'm in downtown Cleveland I'll pop into the shop and maybe purchase a new watch . Go Browns , Cavs and Indians . I think I've watched about 100 of your videos on watches , Thankyou for your valuable advice .
I love mechanicals and automatics as much as the next watch nerd, but my daily driver is still my quartz marathon mid size TSAR. Durable, accurate and very convenient, quartz most definitely has its place in the watch world. My mechanical watches i wear for pleasure, my quartz i wear for utility
Teddy, now that you mentioned it, some of the classical music pieces I have in my collection were done by the Cleveland orchestra. They're very good. They can hold their own with anyone in the world!
Good explanation on quartz/mechanical watches. Thats why owning more than one watch is a thing, love my mechanicals, but my daily “go to” watch is a quartz.
A lot of people rely on quartz watches because of the precision and reliability. Not to mention it takes 2 years of more for the battery to die out and costs about $8. The brand I have is a Wenger, probably a sister company of Victorinox which make swiss army knives. Very good quality and water resistant too. What I have cost me about $200 and is now about 8 years, batteries changed twice during that time. I can sleep knowing the time is exact minus or plus a few seconds.
Quartz has the major advantage of actually being accurate, and working continuously for years. I have one Seiko automatic, but I don't wear it when I'm at work... Meaning it's always dead when I come back home.
Great rundown of some of why Cleveland is awesome! I love living here and like you said, we live like kings compared to other parts of the country for the same money. Downtown has really grown the past decade and all the haters need to visit because they clearly have no idea what it’s like.
My take on quartz watches is this: I ,for the most part,work outside and I wear a watch out of necessity. I don't care to mess up a mechanical watch by bumping into things--they are repairable but at a cost. A cheap quartz watch(i.e., Casio) I will wear 'coz I can bump into things and it will still run.
I wore my Orient Mako USA in construction. I also took it to the range all the time. A quartz might be better but a robust mechanical will work just as well
@svfutbol20 Do you accidentally bang your Orient against anything when you're outside? I do. I want to put(if it happens) as few scratches as possible on my mechanical watches. Did I mention that I work outside? If that's what you want to do,that's your choice.
@@johnsanabria3279 Oh yeah, my Orient is pretty beat up. I love it for that reason. My Omega has a few scratches on it as well, not a problem. I have a couple dress watches that are solely reserved for black tie events, however.
I personally don't care for quartz watches but after watching a video on Grand Seiko I believe that GS will redefine our feelings about quartz watches. GS quartz movements are not throwaway movements like most. I am a Omega fan but GS is coming on strong with most releases after the snowflake model.
Tudor vs Omega i think is kind of a ridiculous argument. The finishing and movement advancements Omega is still striving for are better than that of Rolex (although sales are not showing cause Rolex is king of marketing). Omega will always be better than that of Tudor in that regard even if Tudor does METAS and tries to refine themselves more. They don’t have their own iconic models and they just don’t have the brand history. I still want to buy a Tudor one day though, Omega just make better watches and don’t rest on their laurels.
@@BFit25 These utubers are getting paid buy Tudor to push their agenda but anyone who knows watches knows Tudor is nowhere near the level of Rolex or Omega and never will be and the majority of watch enthusiasts will agree.
Great video. I’m always on the fence about quartz watches as Im only a year or two into serious collecting. I try to buy the quartz versions of my mechanicals for “daily drivers”. Particularly Hamiltons. Very informative videos that cover a lot of my questions on various fronts, especially about collecting. Also a Ohio Native near Gambier!
I am much more forgiving about quartz then most enthusiasts I believe. I have a few mechanical watches that I love, and I have a few quartz watches that I might love a little bit more. All watches that I love have something interesting about them or even a story and I think that's important. My three favorite quartz watches in my collection range from $3500 to $35. I have an Astron solar gps anniversary edition which I absolutely love. It's sapphire, ceramic and titanium. The astron was the first mass produced quartz watch and it was the start of the quartz crisis. I figure if I'm going to pay that much money for a luxury quartz watch, it should be an Astron for this history. And if it's an Astron it should be the solar gps version. They did something innovative and new with a quartz watch. And as a result it's even more accurate than the typical quartz watch. My second favorite is the Hamilton PSR which is a 50th anniversary homage to the Pulsar. The pulsar was the world first digital display quartz watch. It has strong ties to the film industry. It's pulsar name came from the discovery of the first Pulsar around that time frame. It's very interesting, very high end in build, it's the most luxury digital display I could ever want. My $35 pick is the Casio CA-53W calculator watch. I owned this as a kid in the 80's and thought it was cool then. I bought one new recently and I think it's cool now. It's super comfortable and neat. Because it has a number pad it is the easiest digital watch to set the time on. Sometimes quartz comes down to size as well. I bought my mom and dad watches for christmas. I got my Dad a Hamilton Khaki King automatic which I think is a great men's watch. But for my mom she would want something more dainty which meant quartz. I got her a Hamilton lady's watch, stainless bracelet, it's small, has a mother of pearl dial with 5 small certified diamonds. She loves it and wears it every day. It's a beautiful piece and I'm sure she never thinks "I wish this was mechanical".
Great to hear your thoughts on Cleveland - well said! Before I married, I went to Macy's and bought a Victorinox quartz. Go figure - a field watch. It's small by today's standards, but still runs well after nearly 30 years.
The vast majority of my watches are mechanical. But I do have a few quartz watches as well. Guess that makes me movement agnostic, a nice watch is a nice watch in my eyes. As always, appreciated the content here Teddy.
Always enjoy your vids. You have great, engaging way of communicating. Hope all your wedding plans come together for such a significant day. My wife and I will celebrate 45 years at our next anniversary.
Omega vs Tudor is not even a comparison. Omega's finishing and product line up beats Tudor, while also at a higher price point. Tudor's line up is boring as hell and will always be in the shadow of Rolex (justified or not, that's another discussion)
It’s hilarious how teddy talks about what he likes about Cleveland in the same way that he talks about watches specs 😂😂
I think Teddy can be one of the best true ambassadors for Cleveland and Ohio in general 😂 since we all know the memes about Ohio…
Why? What's not to like about Cleveland?
He forgot to mention that Ball is from Cleveland.
Cleveland is the best
The funny thingbis ive heard his fiancée CCR say shes bitter because shes in cleveland. I'm in socal, retired and want out, but wife wants to stay.
Teddy, you have become so polished, I’ve really enjoyed observing you grow and mature into a really great watch content creator.
Appreciate this kind comment, Ronald! Trying to get better day by day. Enjoy your Saturday, my friend.
@@TeddyBaldassarre I actually find it distressing how knowledgeable, well spoken, and generally well put together you are. And probably not even 30? I'm distressed.
Solar radio controlled quartz watches are my current obsession. Japan does not disappoint in this space.
Seiko coutura is worth looking at
Correct. I have several from Casio Oceanus and Seiko -- all JDM.
Also Citizen Attesa radio controlled watches are worth looking out for. Always dependable to tell accurate time.
I got one about 15 years ago and it was too complicated.
I love the seiko astron line
Your videos helped me decide which watch should be my first and envigorated my passion for horology and I wanted to say that I'm very grateful for that. I have my Orient Mako 2 with a beautiful blue sunburst dial on my wrist as I write this comment. I find joy in taking care of this watch, winding it every morning and I proudly wear it everyday. Thank you for what you do, Teddy. You're helping thousands of people in their horology journey.
Swatch are progressively moving Omega up the chain. Given recent Longines launches…to include the new Conquest…I believe Swatch are moving Longines up to compete against Tudor…and moving Tissot up to cement entry level
I would take Longines over Tudor in almost every category. Maybe a black bay over a legend diver. But I think legend is prettier at half the cost.
And a bracket that matches oris mido Christopher ward regarding there diver hydro conquest
Until recently, Longines and Tudor, and Omega and Rolex, competed at similar price points. This looks like Swatch Group increasing their prices to match Rolex price increases. Mido and Rado would be the Swatch brands best positioned to move up into the price range previously inhabited by Longines.
Longines quality is easily on par with tudor in my experience.
Absolutely agree just the bracelet on the hydroconquest which hopefully they will sort out quality brand in my opinion
I like Tudor but the breadth of what Omega does, puts them in another category. And Omega’s high end pieces are head and shoulders above Tudor (and Rolex). Glad you don’t look down your nose at quartz watches. ❤️ Quartz snobbery is nauseating. They have their own set of attributes to admire. And higher end quartz can be pretty darn complicated.
Thank you for the video and congratulations on your upcoming wedding! I thought it was so nice to mention the watch you would be wearing to your wedding, to honor your great-grandfather in a special way. When I got married 12 years ago, I wore my father's watch, (he had passed away unexpectedly nearly 20 years prior). For me, it not only honored him, but allowed for him to be present with me on my special day. I still wear it often as a reminder of his dedication to family, and for me to strive to be as great a man as he was!
Amazing story
For those of you curious about Teddy’s real name, it’s Teddy Bulbasaur
Ethnicity?
@@deepb249 grass/poison
With less than 10 beautiful watches still running well in my collection, I don't consider myself to be a watch collector. But my watch background really comes from my uncle, who was probably the greatest watchmaker in Lebanon. As a young kid, I used to sit beside him and enjoy watching him do a full service on those tiny gold ladies' Omegas, a think very few watchmakers could bother to even try doing. .. And throughout watching many episodes on your channel Teddy, I honestly haven't had anything to disagree with you upon 👍 .. Congrats on your wedding and best wishes 💐
Sell 8 of the, and have 2 really great watches
Brands that cater to women begins and ends with Omega. Omega has great options for the woman in your life. 8yrs ago on a travel to Anaheim CA with my wife of 28yrs then, we went into an Omega boutique at South Coast Plaza. It was a birthday gift purchase and she love the Constellation with mother of pearl dial. We had a great time with the staff and them with us that the shop manager made us dinner reservation at a Flemmings type and quality restaurant at the Plaza on Omega's expense. It was a great overall experience!
I had a similar experience as you did, and heard many others saying the same. Omega are really having a plus here.
There’s also JLC and Breguet
It’s funny how my watch journey started at Quartz and ended up at Quartz once again. I ONLY wear Quartz these days. From lower end g shock to higher-end Grand Seikos, I’ll take practicality and accuracy over service costs that cost as much as the watch itself.
Also, Grand Seiko High Accuracy Quartz (5 to 10 seconds a YEAR) are advanced movements with hand craftsmanship, incomparable to mall watch Quartz. There’s more of a reason to romanticize there than in mass-produced Seiko automatic movements that are also used by 3rd parties.
The mall watch quartz will still be more accurate, though.
As someone who moved his family to Buffalo 25 years ago (and people were baffled), I get Cleveland. We visit often and love the city. I also love your show, for what it's worth.
Buffalo born and raised!
To combine both themes. I have an Omega Seamaster quartz, and absolutely love it, keeps perfect time and also looks good.
The watch I wore at my wedding was a Mido, my father liked and used it and through him I learned to like watchmaking!🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Ted, if I have watch of the family like you do, I would absolutely wear that to my biggest day, no question about that, makes more history to it, add more great moments to it, it's your legacy.
I have many automatics, one spring drive, and a 9F Grand Seiko. The 9F is arguably my favorite piece in my collection. Nothing better than having a watch that is always spot on time.
Teddy's points on mechanical vs quartz are all great points. But for me, there's one more key point he missed: The smoother sweep of the second hand on a mechanical watch is more aesthetically pleasing than the second-jump on quartz. (And the even more smooth movement of the second hand on spring drive is the thing I love most about that movement.)
Great video
Congratulations on your upcoming wedding and hope you both have an incredible day (+life together).
Loved hearing about your hometown Ohio, Cleveland and quality of life. So important.
Thanks for making these videos answering our questions, with your encyclopaedic knowledge of watches !
Stop sucking up
You are a true gentleman, mr Baldassarre, for speaking highly of the Midwest in general and your hometown in particular.
Bought an automatic Breitling Chronomat A13050 not too long ago, I’ve been seeing soooo many Omega Quartz Seamasters that are at a great price point, definitely gonna jump the gun and buy one soon
@ksper Good idea as the price of the Seamaster 2541.80.00 quartz is increasing on the used market.
Just bought my first watch. Not knowing anything about watches, I took to eBay where I bought a Tudor because I thought it looked a little funnier and different than the rest. Turned out to be a Prince Quartz Oysterdate. I love its retro-futuristic look. …now I get to buy another watch because I was looking for a mechanical.
Very interesting first watch choice! Mechanical watches require some care, so do a bit of research beforehand.
I don’t get the hate for quartz either. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want a whole collection of quartz, but I do love having a few quartz watches that I know will just be ready to go, and don’t have to worry about servicing or any other intricacies that come with mechanicals.
On those occasions when you didn’t know you were going to go out but suddenly are at the last minute you can get dressed, put on a quartz watch and go without needing to wind or set it and meet up with whoever you’re meeting up with on time.
@@LlyleHunter I’d rather have the automatic and rely on my phone for that. It takes 30 seconds to wind and set the time.
Nothing against quartz for reliability, accuracy etc but can't justify a large price tag when bugger all skill has gone into making it.
@@bikeman123 you do know that 90% of all automatic watches, including swiss "luxury" and top range are already made an assemble by robots right? And they are a few top quartz watches like Grand Seiko who are assembled by human hand?
@@svfutbol20ditch the watch then. Use the phone. Takes 0 seconds anyway.
Teddy, thanks for the thoughtful piece about Cleveland. I was born and raised in Cleveland (live in Atlanta for the last several years) and agree with the charm and appeal factor. A great place to ground and feel grounded.
Now I'm a big fan of Teddy..., defended the city of Cleveland, that takes a lot of love and guts.👍👍👍
When it comes to quartz, I like the accuracy and depending on the brand depends if I will buy it i.e Omega, JLC, Grand Seiko. I do appreciate the mechanical aspect of watches too and the art of it. To me it’s about build quality and dial when it comes to purchasing. If there were two options for the same watch in Quartz and mechanical by a brand like Omega, I’d go Quartz for low service costs and I can wear the watch for all scenarios and just enjoy it without fear of being damaged. But that’s just me.
I think having a mechanical movement is just satisfying, I know quartz will always be more accurate but having gears and rotors making the second hand sweep and hearing the movement makes it so cool for me
@@SW-8228Sure. For me though I think the compromises were not worth it. Expensive cost of ownership, movement slowing down over time, variations in accuracy, daily shifts in time +\-. Personally I prefer to know the time, and if I can trust a mechanical then the artsy nature of it is meaningless.
Speaking of quartz, I'd like to see a video explaining the differences in the levels of quartz movements. For example, a $30 Casio, a $375 Tissot PRX, and an Omega at multiples of those prices?
the material used in it, and some complexity of it i guess .. some of the watch using gold soldering to preserve the quality. for complexity, on grand Seiko (spring drive) , it has like 40 percent of mechanical-type part for the power. no need battery for it
Branding. As far as I'm concerned, unless it's something special lik Seiko's spring drive, a quartz movement never justifies a big price tag.
@@bikeman123i believe there's like really expensive citizen watch with 1+ second/YEAR accuracy! I think with that accuracy it's kinda worth it
Love these Q&As! If you ever decide to dial the video content down for whatever reason (hope you don’t!) please keep these. Love it.
Also - I own one Omega and it’s a DeVille. Thanks for giving this one its proper spotlight!
Wearing pricy mechanical watches everyday, but sometimes I wake up a bit late and I have no taste for using the same watch like yesterday, and I always have a pair of elegant quartz waiting ready for me, and a box full of Casio for a field day 🤷♂️
After owning a bunch of automatics and moving to HAQ I don't think I could go back to autos again. Not even for a Rolex. It's just a pain having to check after waking how far my watch has strayed. Perhaps I'd try GS spring drive, but even then you could argue it's a convoluted way of using mechanical to achieve near-quartz accuracy.
To each his own and you make a valid point, for me tho I love a mechennical movement, yes its a pain in the rear but its so nice having something that does not have any electronics esspeically in a world where everything has a electronic output. Tho I think every collection would benefit from a quartz watch.
Congratulations on your upcoming wedding, Teddy! I wore a Longines flagship at mine, and plan on passing it down should I have sons.
I have quartz and mechanical. I mainly wear my mechanicals when I go out. But when I work, time is very important for my line of work down to the second, so a quartz watch or smart watch is essential. I like the mechanical aspect of automatic watches, at the same time, I like the accuracy of quartz watches especially Citizens. Smart watches are amazing too.
Love your Q&As. Please keep them comming!
I love quartz and have them from $1700 down to $50. No reason not own a bunch!
Im curious, what quarz watches do you have at around 1700 Dollar?
@@bertholdbach4959 G-Shock GWB-5000 Titanium, Black DLC. 2nd most expensive is the Tissot PRX Quartz Blue dial @ $350. Both were bought from AD's. Then about 15 casio's and g-shocks of varying price. ( Also bought a 14K gold plated dress in in 1997 for $750, still have it, but it needs a service, eats batteriers in 30 days)
@@bertholdbach4959I have a Sinn UX and Grand Seiko SBGX343. Both rated to +/- 10s a year. I'd find it very difficult to go back to an automatic after using these tbh.
@@bertholdbach4959 cartier
@@drmanhattan225 Quartz is my preferred watch for travelling. I've had auto watches drop 10 mins in one day due to ??? magnetism, shock...who knows. My quartz watches are just more reliable.
Teddy, I live just around the corner in Geauga County. I love this area, I love for all the reasons you laid out. Thanks for letting the world know what a great place this is.
Go away
As a owner of many quality watches, four of these are Tag Heuer Quartz, these four are such accurate time keepers, during a year they are accurate to within a few seconds,and its nice to wear a watch which displays accurate time, and i dont need to wind them. 👍 😉
I have a 04 Aquaracer and a old formula 1 both in quartz. I have many autos but love these tags soo much. I’m looking to buy a pre tag professional 1000 one day. They are sweet but not cheap for a old quartz watch.
Cleveland is way underrated. Sports enthusiasts like you cannot believe. My 80 yr old auntie had more baseball knowledge in her pinky than I had in my whole body. Put In Bay, summer on the lake, great music scene, I grew up out west, but loved visiting relatives now and then. If you are Italian, Slovenian, Hungarian, or Croatian by descent, you probably have relatives there.
I always learn from you, Teddy. Many thanks to you and your team for such educational and worthwhile content.
Spare us
I have owned many watches during my long life, including Rolex, and in my humble opinion, the best watches I have ever owned are Citizen Eco-Drive.
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Movement-wise I absolutely agree, my Eco-Drive field watch gains about 3 to 5 seconds a month, has half a year of power reserve and does not need to be serviced at all. Controversial opinion: I absolutely prefer solar and quartz movements to manual or automatic ones except when you have the high-end finishing of A Lange & Söhne and co.
@@a3l0e0x3 Have you looked at the Citizen Chronomaster. Accurate to 1 second a year, perpetual calendar, a up graded EcoDrive and made of the finest titanium and sapphire crystal.
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You mentioned Elgin watches, and I’m glad you did. My hometown in South Carolina (Elgin, formerly Blaney) changed its name to Elgin because of a competition from Elgin Watches. My favorite piece of my collection, albeit the one I wear the least, is one from the first year we went to production in Elgin, SC.
Thanks for addressing the Omega vs Tudor argument. It is an absolute insult to Omega for not only comparing the 2 but to actually think that Tudor will overtake Omega? No chance. Omega has heritage, history, and significant iconic models.
However, that doesn't mean that Tudor doesn't make great watches, they do. It's just that they still haven't impacted the industry with a special iconic model yet, although the Pelagos lineup is the most special now and may become a future classic. The other models are just.... rehashes/redesigns of existing or historic Rolex models but at a lower price point. And therefore the brand will still forever be associated with Rolex in this way, it is the literal history of Tudor.
Who gives a shit? Wear what you enjoy. Nobody cares about the “heritage” of your watch and it’s really quite cringy that people choose a watch based off some ridiculous intangible criteria.
I daily wear a Zenith and their brand “history” has never crossed my mind. I love the design and high-beat movements. That’s about as far as it goes.
The Tudor push is just a TH-cam influencer thing. It's affecting the enthusiasts that follow the net, etc, but that only goes so far.
Teddy I think is spot on here with the real situation between Tudor vs Omega.
I don't own a perpetual calendar watch, but I do keep my GMT's on a winder. I don't like re-setting them.
Odd comparison. Tudor’s biggest hits are copying Rolex’s homework. Omega is in a different tier with a history that predates Rolex and several noteworthy achievements. What next? BMW vs. Kia…? A more apt comparison is perhaps Longines or Breitling vs. Tudor.
Spot on comment
Tudor is just longines level
Longines has heritage. Tudor heritage is copying Rolex. Longines over Tudor all day.
@@LouisMorales-zx3jm TRUE!
I visited Cleveland, OH last year and I was there for six months for treatment at CC. I stayed at North Olmsted. I just love it. I’m looking forward visiting it again.
I love my Citizen FE 0200 56E..... Eco-Drive divers 200m titanium last you a lifetime never need another battery and only loses or gains a few seconds a year you could actually get stranded on a desert island with this watch and be able to tell the time consistently every day...... I use this to set my automatic mechanical watches when they stop
I just got back from a business trip in Cleveland. Everyone was extremely nice! Had Skyline Chili, very different, spaghetti and chili lol!
great video! You should always show and tell what watch you are wearing. I would like to know what watch you wear in this video. It looks great.
Teddy and team, Well done video. I always learn something new watching each presentation. Buying my third watch from Jon next week. Thank you for sharing your expertise. Stay well!
Solar quartz I dig. Fuss-free and eco friendly. And will probably outlive you and many other watches.
I went to college in Cleveland and lived there for 10 years. It's a very nice city (except for the snow).
I think you are right that a lot of watch collectors look at the technology through rose colored glasses. The thought is, mechanicals are heirloom quality stuff that we can pass onto our grandchildren, just as you, and I still own our grandfathers' vintage Wittnauers. Needless to say, the fact that a working man's watch from 50, 60, even 75 years ago is still capable of keeping reasonable time so many years later is remarkable.
But realistically, how many mechanical watches on the market today, including well into the upper mid range are actually hand built? The truth is, most mechanicals these days are made in factories with little or no hand finishing. And, especially at the lower end of the market, how many will be worth servicing or repairing 10 or 20 years from now when they start to fail? And based on the track record of older quartz, it is likely the better quality quartz movements will still be running 15 or 20 years from now. So the equation of how long you will get to enjoy the watch without major service seems to balance out.
As for the preference for a smooth sweeping seconds hand over a once per second quartz, I think that is just something we just tell ourselves. It used to matter to me, but doesn't really anymore.
Great video, tons of knowledge. And kudos sticking to your guns on Cleveland. You have a great career going. Congrats on the upcoming nuptials and thank you for all the terrific content.
Your comment about Cleveland and OH is spot on!
As someone who has almost no budget for collecting watches, I'm grateful that there are nice-looking watches that I can afford because they're quartz. I realize that some people view watches almost like baseball cards or something, and that's fine, but I only care about a watch 1) working well 2) looking pleasant and 3) being less than $100 (being less than $50, even better.) Rarity or how the insides work aren't something I think much about.
Very interesting video thank you information congratulations on your up coming nuptials may you two have a long and happy life together
Big fan of your channel and I love how you do longer form Q&A than others. I think this is also the perfect format of video to cover new offerings on the site or any other news on that front.
(Rolex CPO) Imagine walking into a car dealership, asking for the new 2023 model, and they tell you, “we don’t have those in stock right now, but we can sell you a USED 2021 model for only 🗣️ 5-GRAND MORE THAN THE BRAND NEW 2023!!”
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Not everyone has that experience..learn the game son
@@thetruthhurts7500 by “the game” you mean buttering up the pockets of the AD with watches you don’t care about to someday finally get “the call” for a time-only Explorer?…that game?? Good for you mate!
@@AP20009 you do realize there are those of us out there who genuinely enjoy watches other than rolex and are happy to buy omega, Tudor, Blancpain, cartier etc. because we like this brands in addition to rolex right?
@@lost5587 preaching to the choir. I’m one of them. Not sure I needed this reminder based on my original post which is about the craziness of the Rolex market which now allows Rolex to join in on the pre-owned market fun via CPO.
Well, I guess it depends on what car dealership you walked into, doesn't it? You'd roll your eyes at a Kia or Honda dealership, but there was a time when cars like the PT Cruiser or the Tesla 3, certain Mustangs, were in such heavy demand that someone would've taken the dealer up on that offer. I don't know why we're all supposed to fault Rolex for making a product that people are willing to overpay for, when it's the buying public that creates this condition.
As a Chicago native who has been to Cleveland, I can totally appreciate your feelings about that town...especially the food scene, the Orchestra (and R&R HoF) and the perks of living by a large lake.
Is there a pool somewhere covering what other watch you would be wearing on your wedding day? (BTW Congrates!!!) I would guess your Reverso.
I think watch winders are a great tool as long as you buy a good quality unit that support multiple TPD's (650 and up to cover most mechanical movements), selectable CW, CCW, or both direction turns, intermittent winding, and have a 12 hour rest period. Basically these features simulate how a person would wear the watch. The best units use mabuchi motors which are very quiet.
Would you have any recommendations on which models to buy?
@@davidprescott9586 I am using the "Vancouver Watch Winder for 2" from a company called "Cuffed". It is a Chinese model sold here in Australia. It has all the features I have listed above. There are other variants from the same source but there maybe different offerings in your country.
Omega are the official time keeper for the Olympic Games.
I think that puts them ahead of Tudor slightly.
Not slightly. It's way above. Rolex fanboys are just trying hard to use Tudor as Canon fodder vs Omega .
Tudor competes with longines level.
@@Mega-zi7ys You are absolutely right. Tudor is in the same category as Longines. Each brand has some strengths over the other, but they are pretty much in the same level.
The way he talks about Cleveland is true to heart and nothing but love
Congrats Brother. Didn’t know about the wedding. Wishing you two all the best.
Hey Teddy I'm from the Uk and I used to live in Cleveland Ohio and have revisited 9 times over the years , Next time I'm in downtown Cleveland I'll pop into the shop and maybe purchase a new watch . Go Browns , Cavs and Indians . I think I've watched about 100 of your videos on watches , Thankyou for your valuable advice .
Hard to beat a JLC dress watch as the second wedding watch :)
Xaxa who needs a dress watch in the field?
Cleveland is a great city, I visited last year for the first time and I was impressed
Thank you TEDDY. With this kind of video, you are sure to increase our knowledges in watches and the world around watches.
I love mechanicals and automatics as much as the next watch nerd, but my daily driver is still my quartz marathon mid size TSAR. Durable, accurate and very convenient, quartz most definitely has its place in the watch world. My mechanical watches i wear for pleasure, my quartz i wear for utility
Teddy, now that you mentioned it, some of the classical music pieces I have in my collection were done by the Cleveland orchestra. They're very good. They can hold their own with anyone in the world!
I really appreciate that you appreciate the lunar pilot. in all your videos where you compare, you always showcase the lunar pilot. 🙂
I have a quartz for practical considerations and an automatic for pleasure. I think there's a place for both.
Great videoTeddy, always love your opinion and honesty!
Good explanation on quartz/mechanical watches. Thats why owning more than one watch is a thing, love my mechanicals, but my daily “go to” watch is a quartz.
At last, a Junghans where you can see the hands and tell the time at a glance.
PS. Congrats to you both on the forthcoming wedding!
I love Cleveland, I’ve been there and I was amazed at how pretty it was. Keep on rocking Teddy!!!
As always, great content, watches, and conversation. Thanks, Teddy!
Something vintage is always nice for a wedding. I,ve worn a vintage 1950 Omega on mine.
A lot of people rely on quartz watches because of the precision and reliability. Not to mention it takes 2 years of more for the battery to die out and costs about $8. The brand I have is a Wenger, probably a sister company of Victorinox which make swiss army knives. Very good quality and water resistant too. What I have cost me about $200 and is now about 8 years, batteries changed twice during that time. I can sleep knowing the time is exact minus or plus a few seconds.
Congrats on the wedding you two! Beautiful choice to wear granddad’s watch. ( you still have time to get that Lange 1 😉)
Insanely great video. Thank you for this. I also liked Cleveland when I was working up there for a few months.
I liked the video, but mostly the Cleveland part. Grew up there, but not there any more. Like going back to visit though. Congrats on the wedding!
Regarding quartz vs mechanical you’re right. But the solar powered quartz watches are almost self sufficient and I like these models for that
I'm actually surprised you didn't mention Chopard amongst the lady's watches. Great video BTW.
Quartz has the major advantage of actually being accurate, and working continuously for years. I have one Seiko automatic, but I don't wear it when I'm at work... Meaning it's always dead when I come back home.
Great rundown of some of why Cleveland is awesome! I love living here and like you said, we live like kings compared to other parts of the country for the same money. Downtown has really grown the past decade and all the haters need to visit because they clearly have no idea what it’s like.
My quartz Omega SMP is a favourite in my collection, an absolute beauty electric ⚡️ dial blue, most dependable on vacation
I love Cleveland too. We have Lake Erie, which is a huge fresh water sea. I am lucky to build my house right on the water.
My take on quartz watches is this: I ,for the most part,work outside and I wear a watch out of necessity. I don't care to mess up a mechanical watch by bumping into things--they are repairable but at a cost. A cheap quartz watch(i.e., Casio) I will wear 'coz I can bump into things and it will still run.
I wore my Orient Mako USA in construction. I also took it to the range all the time. A quartz might be better but a robust mechanical will work just as well
@svfutbol20 Do you accidentally bang your Orient against anything when you're outside? I do. I want to put(if it happens) as few scratches as possible on my mechanical watches. Did I mention that I work outside? If that's what you want to do,that's your choice.
@@johnsanabria3279 Oh yeah, my Orient is pretty beat up. I love it for that reason. My Omega has a few scratches on it as well, not a problem. I have a couple dress watches that are solely reserved for black tie events, however.
Really enjoyed this. Analysis Paralysis is a real thing!
I personally don't care for quartz watches but after watching a video on Grand Seiko I believe that GS will redefine our feelings about quartz watches. GS quartz movements are not throwaway movements like most. I am a Omega fan but GS is coming on strong with most releases after the snowflake model.
Tudor vs Omega i think is kind of a ridiculous argument. The finishing and movement advancements Omega is still striving for are better than that of Rolex (although sales are not showing cause Rolex is king of marketing). Omega will always be better than that of Tudor in that regard even if Tudor does METAS and tries to refine themselves more. They don’t have their own iconic models and they just don’t have the brand history. I still want to buy a Tudor one day though, Omega just make better watches and don’t rest on their laurels.
I agree. Tudor is a poor man’s Rolex 😂😂😂😂and will never be better then OMEGA 😊
Agree, terrible comparison. Tudor would wish they are at Omega's level.
The enthusiast you tube community continues to push Tudor. Suddenly it’s a better watch because people don’t like the look of a seamaster bracelet.
@@BFit25 These utubers are getting paid buy Tudor to push their agenda but anyone who knows watches knows Tudor is nowhere near the level of Rolex or Omega and never will be and the majority of watch enthusiasts will agree.
Yeah I really love how Omega buys their own fake watches at auction to boost brand image.
What a scummy company
Love them macro shots of that JLC MUT Moon in blue!
Great video. I’m always on the fence about quartz watches as Im only a year or two into serious collecting. I try to buy the quartz versions of my mechanicals for “daily drivers”. Particularly Hamiltons. Very informative videos that cover a lot of my questions on various fronts, especially about collecting. Also a Ohio Native near Gambier!
top notch production, mr baldassarre. best of luck.
I am much more forgiving about quartz then most enthusiasts I believe. I have a few mechanical watches that I love, and I have a few quartz watches that I might love a little bit more. All watches that I love have something interesting about them or even a story and I think that's important.
My three favorite quartz watches in my collection range from $3500 to $35. I have an Astron solar gps anniversary edition which I absolutely love. It's sapphire, ceramic and titanium. The astron was the first mass produced quartz watch and it was the start of the quartz crisis. I figure if I'm going to pay that much money for a luxury quartz watch, it should be an Astron for this history. And if it's an Astron it should be the solar gps version. They did something innovative and new with a quartz watch. And as a result it's even more accurate than the typical quartz watch.
My second favorite is the Hamilton PSR which is a 50th anniversary homage to the Pulsar. The pulsar was the world first digital display quartz watch. It has strong ties to the film industry. It's pulsar name came from the discovery of the first Pulsar around that time frame. It's very interesting, very high end in build, it's the most luxury digital display I could ever want.
My $35 pick is the Casio CA-53W calculator watch. I owned this as a kid in the 80's and thought it was cool then. I bought one new recently and I think it's cool now. It's super comfortable and neat. Because it has a number pad it is the easiest digital watch to set the time on.
Sometimes quartz comes down to size as well. I bought my mom and dad watches for christmas. I got my Dad a Hamilton Khaki King automatic which I think is a great men's watch. But for my mom she would want something more dainty which meant quartz. I got her a Hamilton lady's watch, stainless bracelet, it's small, has a mother of pearl dial with 5 small certified diamonds. She loves it and wears it every day. It's a beautiful piece and I'm sure she never thinks "I wish this was mechanical".
Great to hear your thoughts on Cleveland - well said! Before I married, I went to Macy's and bought a Victorinox quartz. Go figure - a field watch. It's small by today's standards, but still runs well after nearly 30 years.
Follow you since you started , love your content, your knowledge about watches and that you keep your videos clean.keep the good work.
The vast majority of my watches are mechanical. But I do have a few quartz watches as well. Guess that makes me movement agnostic, a nice watch is a nice watch in my eyes. As always, appreciated the content here Teddy.
My only gripe with some Quartz is that they are a bit too slim, they lack wrist presence.
Always enjoy your vids. You have great, engaging way of communicating. Hope all your wedding plans come together for such a significant day. My wife and I will celebrate 45 years at our next anniversary.
What is the best make/manufacturer for watch bands? 18mm is proving difficult to find. Much appreciated!
Shout out to Cleveland, some great food there. Good Q&A
Omega vs Tudor is not even a comparison. Omega's finishing and product line up beats Tudor, while also at a higher price point. Tudor's line up is boring as hell and will always be in the shadow of Rolex (justified or not, that's another discussion)