@@jadenseymour1920 that’s the whole point the tv show is about Jennifer and how she sees the world not how you do and she does not know all the things Bruce went through as a child or for being the hulk
First Norton Hulk got removed from reality, then Ruffalo Hulk got neutered. Now we’re left with grumpy Han Solo Hulk who’s going to be entirely fed up with the role after he’s in the MCU for one movie, *HELP US HULK FANS OUT PLEEEEEEEAAAAAAASE!*
@@YourBoyVonthere same but look at difference between Hulk as a character in the incredible Hulk movie and today mcu Hulk he was good in 1 avengers movie and age of Ultron too.
Hulk will never beat thanos same as he will never beat Thor lmao Thor and thanos was made to be stronger than the hulk Stan Lee stated Thor was the character he made to be the answer to every problem
They literally had the scrapped scene where the hulk would bust out of the hulk buster armour but for some reason they decided to change it last minute which is why the cgi is shit
Zactly. If he was a baby in the Incredible Hulk, then he was a child being acknowledged by an adult. Cap made him happy. And I always figured the Always Angry thing was part of Banner having a tighter control on the Hulk psychologically. If he's a child, then Banner learned how to reason with him, but he can't predict temper tantrums. And finally, they Should have had Thanos at least need to relay on the Power Stone AND his wits to beat Hulk.
Same. I loved the 2003 Hulk. I know a bunch of people didn't like it, but I never looked at it like it was superhero film. I looked at it like it was a character drama because that's what it was. A man who has a bunch of repressed trauma and abuse and he still has nightmares about his childhood. When he becomes the Hulk, it's the inner child in him lashing out. But when he's finally alone and at peace, the Hulk likes to look at flowers. It's a very underrated film. I found it to be extremely moving.
It’s so annoying how they SAY he’s strong and scary and all this stuff but when it comes to his fighting scenes it’s like, where is that? Bruce is always afraid of bringing him out bc of how destructive he is, but if literally like 3 people on his team can either win in a fight against him or calm him down there’s no pointtttttt I HATE when movies tell and not show
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 yea he’s powerful, and breaks things, destroys things, but just like how WRMZ, says in this video, it’s underwhelming when you have so many people who can defeat him ykwim? He’s still powerful and scary in a way, but the way that Banner talks abt it would make you think it would be more, yk? Like it’s over exaggerated how powerful and scary he is, when in reality, he can be controlled, and people can stop him
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286pre-professor hulk got his ass beat by Ironman, Thor, thanos and is calmed down by black widow, I’d be surprised if mjolnir captain America couldn’t beat him 😂
@@4NNEL15he can’t be controlled nor stopped, he tore apart the helicarrier because Loki knew how destructive he was, Thor struggled with him, he easily took down Loki, the big alien worm thing (idk what it’s called) was only taken down by him alone and then Thor (who is a god)
@@Beroka5pre professor hulk dog walked the hulk buster suit, it only took for him to get weaker thanks to him seeing the destruction he made and the people afraid of him
I agree with you. I remember watching both 2003 and 2008 Hulk. I was so terrified of them. Granted, I only saw one scene of 2003 Hulk attacking a guy and basically leaving him for dead, but it was enough to scar me for some time. 2008 Hulk is the one film that will always terrify me in terms of the Hulk. How they ruined such a perfectly terrifying hero, I will never know..😔
You know what the worst part of all this is? It's that this problem will never get solved. With the Russo brothers and Stephen McFeely coming back to write and direct Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars, it means we're never going to see the real Hulk again because why would they try to fix the Hulk now? So, either Doctor Doom effortlessly defeats either Hulk, Thor or Captain Marvel after he wipes out the Kang variants, those characters will just be trash for the remainder of the saga.
I wish they had Hulk beating up Thanos to the point Thanos used the Space Stone to teleport Hulk to outer space to Earth. Having Thanos outsmart Hulk instead of overpowering would been way better. I’m not saying Hulk is undefeatable, it’s just when it comes to Brute Strength and Physical Combat, it completely loses Hulk’s Concept of “Strongest There Is”.
@@Juggernaut49859oh yeah And he finna get row dogged by hulk if it wasn't for plot armor 😂😂😂 Like bruh if he wasn't the main villain the story would've ended waaaaaaay sooner
The timing of this video is impeccable, I was literally going back and rewatching the 2003 and 2008 Hulk movies and am even going as far back as the 60s/70s Bill Bixby Hulk TV Series to watch a couple episodes. Going through the movies, I reminded myself of just how badly Marvel fumbled the bag with Hulk in the MCU. Can’t say it’s all their fault because of all the rights issues that were pertaining to Hulk’s character, but they definitely didn’t even really try hard enough to give us a great Hulk. They even went so far as to take one of his most well-known and important comics and watered it down to a completely unrecognizable comedy film. The sad part of it all is that it’s too late to even attempt to do anything with his character or give him another solo movie because all his “story arcs” have all been done in other films. The only hope we have is if they follow through with their reboot after Secret Wars and we get new actors and new stories, hopefully we get the chance to have a better represented Hulk on the big screen.
Imagine if instead of getting green Mark Ruffulo in End Game, we got the gray Hulk. He’s still a smart Hulk, but now instead of a raging monster, you get a cold, malicious, near anti-villain of a Hulk.
You ACCURATELY voiced my frustration of the hulk in the mcu!! I stopped watching marvel after the avengers movies and even then was struggling through them cuz of how usless they made the hulk.
Hulk is more than that tho, look at any of his previous material and you'll immediately change your mind. The MCU hulk is a dumb toddler, but not who Hulk should be as a character
There's one caveat to Hulk being a toddler in Marvel Comics. Bruce Banner was a genius level intellect as a toddler. Making Hulk smarter than the average toddler in Marvel Comics.
Bruce is always angry and when he loses CONTROL over that anger than he turns into the hulk. When you’re mad enough to fight someone you still can choose to control yourself and not get into a fight or lose control and get into a fight.
Sony doesn’t own hulk movie rights, universal does, but it ain’t like universal does shit with it, they could easily make a movie but they decide not to, marvel is only allowed to use him in cameos that’s why we haven’t gotten a sequel, I think if we got a trilogy people would be ok with Professor hulk. Basically I’d say universal just give up the hulk and Namor movies right if you ain’t gonna do anything with them
@@kaeaedwin7937 Yeah I agree with u bro, probably why the mcu doesnt care about the hulk, they dont have the rights. How does it work, cant they buy the rights or something?
@@spacepirate8355 aight so basically Universal owns the MOVIE rights to hulk and Namor franchise (this happened because marvel was going bankrupt so they would sell their movie licenses to movie companies. Now from what’s been said Marvel is allow to borrow hulk in other projects that aren’t hulk focused movies, so they can have hulk in avengers, Ironman, Thor and etc. but weren’t allowed to make a solo hulk film unless under the conditions that whatever money a hulk movie would make universal will get most of the profits. So when they made Incredible Hulk, even tho marvel made it, majority of profits would go to universal. So the reason we don’t have a hulk sequel or another hulk film is because neither side wants the other to more money off em, so Disney doesn’t want universal to have majority of the profit if they made one and universal doesn’t wanna let go of rights because they know how lucrative the hulk franchise can be so they’ve just been at a stalemate since 2008
They haven't had distribution rights to hulk movies for a while, so they couldn't make solo hulk films without Universal, only able to have him in avengers or other character films. They got the rights back somewhat recently, so they can make more if they want
Found your channel not too long ago. SHIT IS FIRE. Reminds me of peak TH-cam vibes. Just being authentic. No ads. no beef. no bs.ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS NOT TOUCH KIDS AND definitely will be a top 10 in my opinion. Keep it up g
Bruce being always angry is where 2008 hulk movie left off, he integrates his anger rather then suppress it and letting it bottled up turning him into hulk. his transition between him and hulk is so seamless in New York cuz he tamed anger/hulk. Which leaves the audience the question if hulk Bruce are the same person or not. he couldn’t tame Hulk earlier in the film cuz Loki.
To quote Stan Lee " the madder he gets , the stronger he gets" MCU "what?" Also notice how the first movies are more grounded like Iron Man 1, Hulk 2008, Captan America 1 even Thor 1 but later on they get to laught at a pull my finger joke
You spoke facts, WRMZ. The Hulk has been absolute trash since Age Of Ultron and I still don't know why Joss Wheadon made Black Widow and Hulk lovers when those two characters have nothing in common. Black Widow is all about stealth and guile, Hulk is a 7'0 green rage monster who screams "Hulk smash" at the top of his lungs, I don't know how Joss Wheadon got the idea to cook up a scenario where Black Widow could end up with the Hulk when she flirted with Captain America in The Winter Solider.
I guess if the MCU is going to keep the Hulk as a joke, then Red Hulk will be the stand in for what the Hulk used to be. Since Red Hulk is already the main antagonist in Brave New World, however he's defeated he won't really go away since Ross is the President now and will probably still be featured in the Thunderbolts. So since Red Hulk will still have a menacing presence, perhaps he'll just carry the vibe that the real Hulk did back in 2008. If this is done right, I supposed this could be a "salvageable replacement."
Don't think anything could beat that moment where Black Widow says "I swear on my life." and that was what guaranteed Hulk's appearance. Bruce Banner being constantly irritated, but contained, was a nice way of showing how much control he had gained since the Incredible Hulk Movie. And him snapping at Natasha was really because it was the second time she lied to him. The first being in that shack and he scares her. It wasn't just a prank, but a way of explaining just how dangerous the Hulk was. And how she had no idea.
Imagine if the Hulk personality trapped in the back seat of Bruce's mind breaks out he will be more pissed then he's ever been that could possibly be a new version of world war Hulk
MCU has Hulk at 8'2" and Korg at 7'7". Yet in Endgame when Hulk went to get Thor in New Asgard, Korg towered over Hulk. Also, Thanos is listed at 8'3". In the comics he's only 6'7".
@@JoeR203 ur being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, it's the highest grossing rated R films of all time for a reason, ur either a dioshit for not giving a shit about it or ur trying too hard to be counter to culture that ur taking a full 360 degree spin.
Thor Ragnarok thankfully broke me out of my love for the MCU before the worst realized. I've wondered how movie audiences easily were bought into Thor regressing into an exponentially more immature person with age. How does that even occur when his parents are both "gods" of wisdom? From the first SDCC logo teaser, I imagined the entirety of Thor Ragnarok as an incredible Lord of the Rings/Pirates of the Caribbean scale movie where Thor Ragnarok's plot was the wisest Thor traveling all nine realms (maybe eight realms to keep Avengers Infinity War intact) showing why he's fit for being the king of Asgard / nine realms as they're self-destructing under Loki's official but foolish rule. Loki eventually sides with Thor after his daughter and son (Hela & Fenris) start causing more problems than he can handle. In this "Once and future king" kind of story Thor begins making his way back to Asgard joined by an army (collecting exiles, pilgrims, wanderers, and innocent survivors of war) formed through each realm after his hammer is broken. Rather than Hulk conveniently and for unexplained reasons flying to Sakaar somehow, Loki used his position to get revenge on Hulk and send him somewhere horrible in the nine realms where he meets Valkyrie. Who also was banished but by Odin prior to the events of Thor 2011. I've always imagined Balder the Brave died before the first Thor movie and that there was some teenage drama around his murder by Loki between Thor, Loki, Amora the Enchantress/Lorelei, Sif, the Warriors Three, Karnilla, and who knows maybe even Skurge the Executioner. Thor would send Hulk and Valkyrie through the Bifrost bound for Doctor Strange's Sanctum Sanctorum while Loki escapes using the Tesseract. Loki hides on Thor Girl's planet (as Beta Ray Bill appeared in Thor Ragnarok) which Thanos invades around the time Thor tracks him down. I didn't even know how Thor Ragnarok would end similarly I just wanted to set up Thor Girl, whose planet was saved by Thor from Thanos. I expected Nova to be the one who heroically fights Thanos but is beat up in Infinity War's opening act. Returning to Earth and warning Tony Stark Annihilation style. I miss 2016-2017. Thor Ragnarok was my most anticipated Marvel movie. In retrospect maybe Taika Waititi was better for a Nova prequel movie released in-between Avengers Infinity War and Endgame. A Guardians of the Galaxy 2.5 of sorts.
i understand that Ang Lee’s Hulk is divisive bc of some of the stylistic choices, but i think it, by far, does the best job of showing the Hulk as this scared, sad, confused creature, lashing out bc he doesn’t understand why he’s being attacked, just wanting to be left alone.
I can't believe this is only your 21st video. This was *SO* good! Like, *really!!* Your editing style, your script, the arguments you made and the receipts to back 'em up, I loved this! Plus, you're probably the only content creator I've come across that's actually called out Ragnarok for being a dumb jokey cartoon of a movie, I've been saying that for years lol!! Fantastic work, bro! I've subbed and will now binge some more of your content 👍😊
Lmao a lot of ppl in these comments don’t really know the hulk they think he supposed to just be angry and smash everything when it more complex than tht many times in the comic hulk hates causing destruction for no reason
The only way I can like the hulk again is if Dr. Strange accidentally teleport another Green Hulk variant that lives up to the true embodiment of the hulk
Exactly, dude is just downplaying iron man, Hulk loosing to iron man isn't an antifeat for hulk as mcu iron man is pretty strong too he made thanos bleed, took power stone attacks and can channel thor's lightning and resist all 6 infinity stones energies momentarily, Iron man is one of the strongest guys in marvel comics too with his godbuster, thorbuster and celestial armors he can possibly beat even comic hulk in my opinion with those armors.
The thing about The Hulkbuster Iron Man is that, it's not really stronger than The Hulk. It has a sedative function built into its fists meant to put the Hulk to sleep, and even with that, shown in the movie, Tony was still having a hard time. He wasn't "winning" in the traditional sense. His win condition is putting The Hulk to sleep.
It’s bad enough Hulk can’t even have his own villains anymore. Bi-Beast is a Thor villain, Abomination is a Shang Chi villain, Leader & Red Hulk are Captain America villains, what next? The U-Foes become Fantastic Four villains? Okay, I get that the U-Foes are evil versions of the Fantastic Four, but those guys have been Hulk villains since their debut & what happened to Betty after the 2008 movie?
Since no one wants to point out the problems with this video I guess I have to. problem 1 iron Man beating the hulk in Age of Ultron makes perfect sense in the movie. because hulk was winning the entire time. the only reason he lost in end is because the mind control he was under ended. which made him calm down and see all the damage he caused. and since iron Man didn't know his mind control ended and the hulk was going to transform back to Bruce banner in a minute. he snuck attack the hulk when he wasn't paying attention which knocked him out. Problem number 2 the hulk attacking Black widow and Thor in the middle of the movie. but following Captain America's orders at the end makes perfect sense if you've actually seen the movie. because the reason why the hulk was out of control in the middle of the movie was because everybody's emotions was out of control on The shield helicarrier due to the mind Stone making everyone angry. that was literally Loki's plan. his plan was for everyone to anger Bruce banner make the hulk transform and go out of control due to the mind Stone. and that would bring down shield and the avengers for him so that makes perfect sense. as for the reason why he followed Captain America's orders it's because literally his only orders was for the hulk to smash which is what he always does. also because the hulk takes orders from The avengers all the time in the comics and TV shows
As for the third and final problem with this video. Bruce banner saying he's always angry makes perfect sense because it's literally factually true. weather in the comics. TV shows. or movies. Because he was abused and hated ever since he was born by his father who thought he was a monster. his mother was killed by his father for defending Bruce. he was bullied in school because he was smarter than everyone which made everyone jealous and because he was antisocial due to being abused and hated all his life. and that's only a tiny piece of how horrible his life is so yes Bruce banner is always angry. the reason why he doesn't transform all the time is because he's surprising his anger. but yes he could transform anytime he wants to. he just has to think about how his father beat his mother to death. anybody who knows the hulk would know this that's why I was incredibly disappointed by this video. because it was an incredibly easy video to make. all you had to do was talk about how the MCU ruined the hulk after infinity war. instead you said things in this video that makes me think you might not have even seen the older MCU movies more than one time a decade ago
Only point where I will disagree with you is “if Iron-Man can beat the Hulk in a fight, he’s stronger” I’ve seen enough anime to know that: Wining a fight against someone =/= being stronger than someone
The thing is that they don’t give Hulk orders, they tell Hulk to do something he was pretty much gonna do anyway with the only limit being “only smash the bad guys”. Sure, overtime the Hulk comes around and identifies the avengers as his teammates, and later on, Captain America as the leader. But even then, they aren’t really ordering him around. They’re just telling him to do something he was gonna do anyway. It’s less like giving orders and more like hyping him up.
What really bothers me, is that they already used up elements from Worldbreaker Hulk. One of the best comic books stories, DC or Marvel. So, even if we get to a place where we can get the X-Men and the Illuminati and the Inhumans in one movie they cant do Worldbreaker cause they wasted it on Ragnorok. That shit pisses me off.
My only own explanation is that he calmed down with havint friends, Natasha and a purpose. He lost his endless anger as he became happy and accepted himself. Thus, the rage became weaker do now he cannot even Hulk out (seen in Endgame when they travel back to NY).
You hit the nail on the head in every aspect of the Hulk in the MCU. He's not the Hulk, he's the Julk (Joke)..... I hate how Hulk has been handled and he's been very misused in the MCU and I really wish someone somewhere would make us a proper Hulk movie outside of the MCU.
Personally I think Ironman just got a lucky hit in with Hulk. I found that movie to be goated but I can see your point. Hopefully Marvel say that this is just Banner's personality weakening the Hulk and one day show World Breaker Hulk.
You’re acting like Iron Man is just a citizen. Not only is he one of the smartest people on Earth, he also worked on the Hulkbuster to counteract specifically the Hulk. Which is why he doesn’t use it anywhere else. Also Bruce helped him.
Exactly!, he is just downplaying iron man, Hulk loosing to iron man isn't an antifeat for hulk as mcu iron man is pretty strong too he made thanos bleed, took power stone attacks and can channel thor's lightning and resist all 6 infinity stones energies momentarily, Iron man is one of the strongest guys in marvel comics too with his godbuster, thorbuster and celestial armors he can possibly beat even comic hulk in my opinion with those armors.
@ItsWRMZ 🤦♂️ The "I'm always angry" line is just something that's supposed to sound cool and isn't meant to be taken literally. Hulk listened to Cap because he hadn't attacked Hulk and because what he told Hulk to do is "smash", which Hulk loves to do. Remember, he did punch Thor later on during the Battle of New York because he remembered that Thor attacked him on the Helicarrier. Black Widow presumably calmed down the Hulk because they had no way of knowing how long it would take for him to revert back to Bruce Banner after their battle against those Hydra members, and they didn't want to have to worry about him potentially causing damage to the quinjet that the Avengers use when they would go to leave & return to Avengers Tower(AKA Stark Tower). Hulk actually did pretty well against the Hulkbuster Armor for most of his fight with Iron Man. The only reason that he didn't win the fight is because he got distracted when he realized what he had done after he got snapped out of whatever hallucinations he was having that Wanda Maximoff caused him to have, which gave Tony the opportunity to knock Hulk unconscious. Hulk tends to revert back to Bruce when he gets knocked unconscious, so that's presumably what happened after Tony knocked out the Hulk. Before 'The Avengers 3: Infinity War', everything was good when it came to the Hulk in the MCU franchise.
I wouldn't say he lost his fight to Ironman in AoU. He was destroying Tony's Hulkbuster suit, and in turn was destroying the city. Once he noticed the destruction he was causing, he considerably calmed down, and Tony snuck him. That's the same as claiming Goku lost to Majin Vegeta because he turned his back and got sucker punched.
They should've given him a rematch with Thanos just have him serve Captain Marvel's role in the final battle. By making him green Bruce, they took away what made him interesting. His forever curse as the Hulk. Even with Professor Hulk they could've had Hulk be tired of Bruce being in charge and he wants out. Throughout the film have Bruce struggle with keeping Hulk inside. Then he just lets go by the end.
Not even the way he got effortlessly packed up but they make him look like a coward since IF and made a MASSIVE character development offscreen and not even a rematch they disrespected my boy
4:40 Exactly. Much as I love Hulk, him being used *very* sparingly in the films would've been the best way to establish his raw power. He would've been kinda like Thanos. The looming danger of him is what builds the fear and hype around him. You don't know when he'll come, you don't even know if he WILL. You just know he *could* . And that thought alone is terrifying enough. That right there is the Hulk presence I want. The lack of Hulk presence would give him a strong presence to the audience, if that makes any sense. It would've made the moments he was unleashed much more impactful. To let you know shit got real. I think Hulk is a character you build *around* , not ontop of. That's not to say Hulk can't change, it's moreso that his change can't be tied to only when we see him. And no, I don't mean offscreen, ew. It's such a damn shame Universal has the rights to him. Those rights that they're doing fuck all with. I've been into the Hulk ever since I was a kid. Ironically enough though, the MCU was how I was introduced to the character. After Avengers, I was a Hulkomaniac. He was my favorite Avenger, and when I talk about him like this and think about the depth and potential depth of him, he still is. In the MCU he's one of the least interesting characters when he honestly should be one of the most. In recent years I've sorta forgotten about the poor fella. With the way he was treated in the MCU, my hype and passion for him died off slowly. I was still hype whenever he showed up, but those moments became fewer and fewer. I was excited in Ragnarok about his bout with Thor, but honestly his entrance is better than the fight. The buildup is intense and cool, you see puffs of green gas throughout the audience, they're cheering loud as hell as he breaks through the wall. It's genuinely awesome, I've never related more to a fictional audience in my life. The fight was alright and the Loki callback was fun, but the buildup and initial entrance was so much better by comparison. Then came Infinity War. Seeing Hulk get clapped so easily hurt. A lot. But I expected that to setup an eventual rematch and redemption. I was alright with the whole Hulk being disobedient. At the time I saw this as a crazy amount of setup for the King's return. Then Professor Hulk happened and my interest in him flatlined. I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm desperate. Desperate as hell. I am so fucking desperate for SOMETHING to reinvigorate my love for Hulk. Marvel's Avengers was a flicker of hope. Then I saw the shit talk and bad reviews on it. And *even then* I was so desperate that I STILL played the game just because I wanted to play as Hulk so badly, even if it sucked. I'm dry. The kid in me who loved Hulk so much that he bought and wore the absolute hell outta the Hulk hands has been dry for years and it really hurts. Genuinely. I'm just so angry and sad that it feels like no one cares about him anymore. I know that's not true, but man does it feel like it sometimes. And this is coming from a guy who has never touched a comic book in his entire life. Literally, the Avengers movies and Incredible Hulk (2008) are all that have been fueling this insane love for this character. No matter how wrong they do him, I can never stop loving this character. And god, I can't even begin to imagine how horrible it is for Hulk fans who've been fans longer than I have, consumed so much more Hulk media than I have. Ugh. This just feels bad. They deserve better. Hulk and Bruce deserve better.
I feel like Professor Hulk would’ve been fine if they had shown Bruce becoming him. Having it happen all off screen makes it feel so cheap and undeserved.
Also Disney has been trying for years to demasculinize its male characters especially hulk. Notice he’s literally been getting smaller as each movie comes out and now he is completely useless and tells jokes or is the butt of a joke
Agreed 100%. Even though I love Age of Ultron, both Hulk’s & Banner’s characterizations were destroyed starting with that movie 😭 I just hope when the MCU soft reboots after Secret Wars that they’ll get some much needed redemption.
Even professor hulk could have been very cool if executed well. But no, he is just a random comic relief. And people loved it for what it was. The problem is, They used processor hulk for gags.Bruce Banner himself was a badass character. He is very under utilized in the MCU
@@JoshAllen-f4e The Hulk is if Frankenstein’s Mosnter mixed with Mr Hyde, and Bruce Banner is if Victor Frankenstein mixed with Dr Jekyll were a superhero. Both of those stories are tragic because humanity are more the barbaric monsters than literal the barbaric monsters. Hulk is a tragedy because Bruce/Hulk are good and heroes but society makes them think they are not.
This gonna sound out of pocket but I didn't like him in Ragnorok. It would've been better if after he landed on sacar he started reflecting and thinking rationally and speaking somewhat coherently not like Banner or professor hulk but like a creature with frightening intelligence to the point you'd think twice before trying pull up on the Hulk something similar to EMH. That version of hulk is the best IMO
Edward Norton will forever be my hulk since his varient of the character was dark and emotional and scary. What i loved about the movie is that he paid homage to bill bixby's version of the character and adding references from the tv series and felt like if he was actually him from the show and his trauma. Mark Ruffalo was ultimately promising in the first avengers and avengers age of ultron with his take on hulk. But after seeing what he became in Ragnorok, i lost all respect and hope for the mcu for what it did to the hulk character. Hulk went from "HULK.......SMASH!" (2008) to being a meme made by kevin feige 😔
I get why people and comic book fans miss the OG Hulk but i have to say professor hulk gets no respect for saving the universe, just like Ant man doesn't get the respect he deserves in Quantumania.
Despite all the good points you make, I have to disagree on one thing. Your statements about how it’s embarrassing the Hulk lost to the Hulkbuster. The Hulkbuster isn’t just some buff suit of armor. It’s a suit of armor Tony Stark made with the sole and only purpose of being a countermeasure for if the Hulk were to go rogue, it’s a suit of armor specifically designed to deal with Hulk created by one of if not the smartest person alive. Not to mention, during that entire fight, Iron Man was pretty much getting his ass handed to him. Meanwhile, the Hulk was not slowing down or getting tired in the slightest Iron Man with constantly having to call in repairs and replacements for pieces of his armor. While the worst the Hulk had was simply losing a tooth, and that only made him more mad. It took an endless amount of beatings and having an entire building, dropped on him to even knock him out and being able to knock the Hulk unconscious would be considered an extraordinary feat.
@@Ricky-hl2iz Comparing superheroes from comics to their movie counterparts in terms of power is really unfair because the comic versions tend to either be utterly pitiful or the most broken character ever conceived. For example. MCU Drax is, physically, an absolute unit. Capable of flipping over police cars with next to no effort. While he’s super strong, he’s not invincible. We see a guy pull out a massive laser canon and it still hurts him. But this attack would make incinerate most people. It only knocks Drax back a bit. He gets hit by it a few more times and all it does is bring him to his knees. And even then, we see he’s completely fine after they leave the Orgocorp building and is given some time to rest. Comic book Drax is literally capable of destroying whole solar systems with no effort whatsoever.
@@theparrishshow9803true, because if you are taking comic hulk then take comic iron man's strongest armors too like godbuster, hard light armor and celestial armor, within the context of mcu hulkbuster vs hulk made sense.
1:51 I COMPLETELY AGREE. 2008 Hulk was The Best. Ed understood Hulk and even wanted to take on a journey of exploring Hulk with a great series of Hulk movies. MCU didn't like that. How dare you show the depth and development of such a complex character?
One thing I wished happened in Endgame is during the final battle when Thanos has the Power Stone it's Hulk who confronts him and at first it seems like he's going to lose. However, when Thanos punches him with the Power Stone Hulk STOPS his Fist with one Hand and looks at Thanos, his face filled with rage, his body actually growing large and pulsing with Gamma energy as he screams with rage HULK IS STRONGEST THERE IS! Essentially Hulk goes World Breaker and overpowers Thanos with the Power Stone, getting a moment to redeem himself from Infinity War and showing he is the strongest.
Theres no shame in getting clapped by a no-gauntlet Thanos.... if he was Comic Thanos with all his powers, but they nerf Thanos so bad in the MCU, that I don't even think he has any powers outside being a stronger, purple, Bruce Banner Hulk. He needed the power stone to shoot projectile in the MCU, when in the comic, he can do that with ease.
I was so disgusted by She-Hulk basically saying that Hulk doesn’t know what pain is.
Bruce literally tried to off himself.
One of my favorite quotes from the first Avengers movie
"I got low. I didn't see an end, so I put a bullet in my mouth, and the other guy spit it out"
He has so much damn trouble trying to control that side of him that the man literally got suicidal.
………….were we supposed to like her?
Why did you get angry lmao it literally a tv show about a women
When people have everything handed to them they think they know it all when they don’t
@@jadenseymour1920 that’s the whole point the tv show is about Jennifer and how she sees the world not how you do and she does not know all the things Bruce went through as a child or for being the hulk
First Norton Hulk got removed from reality, then Ruffalo Hulk got neutered. Now we’re left with grumpy Han Solo Hulk who’s going to be entirely fed up with the role after he’s in the MCU for one movie, *HELP US HULK FANS OUT PLEEEEEEEAAAAAAASE!*
What are you talking about, Norton's and ruffalo's Hulk are the same Hulk
@@YourBoyVonthere same but look at difference between Hulk as a character in the incredible Hulk movie and today mcu Hulk he was good in 1 avengers movie and age of Ultron too.
@Ningamer-bo7ej oh my bad, I understand what you were trying to say now
@@YourBoyVonI'm sick of that talk, they are not, their portrayal aren't the same, Norton's hulk is at least a fraction of the comics
@emperordavid2044 Just because you don't accept it doesn't mean it's not true
I was fine with Hulk losing to Thanos, but I was expecting Hulk to get Revenge later in the movie.
Same here.
Hulk will never beat thanos same as he will never beat Thor lmao Thor and thanos was made to be stronger than the hulk Stan Lee stated Thor was the character he made to be the answer to every problem
@@JoshAllen-f4e he just beat thanos this week💀
@@JoshAllen-f4e hulk just beat thanos this week
They literally had the scrapped scene where the hulk would bust out of the hulk buster armour but for some reason they decided to change it last minute which is why the cgi is shit
Hulk was acknowledged as Hulk not Banner by Captain America, so it might explain why he was on board for the Avengers battle.
Zactly. If he was a baby in the Incredible Hulk, then he was a child being acknowledged by an adult. Cap made him happy.
And I always figured the Always Angry thing was part of Banner having a tighter control on the Hulk psychologically. If he's a child, then Banner learned how to reason with him, but he can't predict temper tantrums.
And finally, they Should have had Thanos at least need to relay on the Power Stone AND his wits to beat Hulk.
In my honest opinion the best interpretations of the hulk we ever got was The Hulk (2003) and The Incredible Hulk (2008)
Same. I loved the 2003 Hulk. I know a bunch of people didn't like it, but I never looked at it like it was superhero film. I looked at it like it was a character drama because that's what it was. A man who has a bunch of repressed trauma and abuse and he still has nightmares about his childhood. When he becomes the Hulk, it's the inner child in him lashing out. But when he's finally alone and at peace, the Hulk likes to look at flowers. It's a very underrated film. I found it to be extremely moving.
2008 never showed how strong hulk was though tht what made it trash
@@JoshAllen-f4enever showed how strong he was bro what
@@JoshAllen-f4eBudget dude
Agreed
It’s so annoying how they SAY he’s strong and scary and all this stuff but when it comes to his fighting scenes it’s like, where is that? Bruce is always afraid of bringing him out bc of how destructive he is, but if literally like 3 people on his team can either win in a fight against him or calm him down there’s no pointtttttt I HATE when movies tell and not show
Did you not see Hulk pre Professor Hulk?. Literally yappin
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 yea he’s powerful, and breaks things, destroys things, but just like how WRMZ, says in this video, it’s underwhelming when you have so many people who can defeat him ykwim? He’s still powerful and scary in a way, but the way that Banner talks abt it would make you think it would be more, yk? Like it’s over exaggerated how powerful and scary he is, when in reality, he can be controlled, and people can stop him
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286pre-professor hulk got his ass beat by Ironman, Thor, thanos and is calmed down by black widow, I’d be surprised if mjolnir captain America couldn’t beat him 😂
@@4NNEL15he can’t be controlled nor stopped, he tore apart the helicarrier because Loki knew how destructive he was, Thor struggled with him, he easily took down Loki, the big alien worm thing (idk what it’s called) was only taken down by him alone and then Thor (who is a god)
@@Beroka5pre professor hulk dog walked the hulk buster suit, it only took for him to get weaker thanks to him seeing the destruction he made and the people afraid of him
They did hulk dirty
Big time
I agree with you. I remember watching both 2003 and 2008 Hulk. I was so terrified of them. Granted, I only saw one scene of 2003 Hulk attacking a guy and basically leaving him for dead, but it was enough to scar me for some time. 2008 Hulk is the one film that will always terrify me in terms of the Hulk. How they ruined such a perfectly terrifying hero, I will never know..😔
It's hard to see your favorite superhero get done so dirty for so long. But at least in the comics, he just recently humbled thanos something fierce
Wait a second
In what run ?
@@aymanbouyaya4759 just look it up
You know what the worst part of all this is? It's that this problem will never get solved. With the Russo brothers and Stephen McFeely coming back to write and direct Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars, it means we're never going to see the real Hulk again because why would they try to fix the Hulk now? So, either Doctor Doom effortlessly defeats either Hulk, Thor or Captain Marvel after he wipes out the Kang variants, those characters will just be trash for the remainder of the saga.
I wish they had Hulk beating up Thanos to the point Thanos used the Space Stone to teleport Hulk to outer space to Earth. Having Thanos outsmart Hulk instead of overpowering would been way better. I’m not saying Hulk is undefeatable, it’s just when it comes to Brute Strength and Physical Combat, it completely loses Hulk’s Concept of “Strongest There Is”.
Do u understand how powerful Thanos is?
@@Juggernaut49859hulk wouldn't care.
@@Juggernaut49859oh yeah
And he finna get row dogged by hulk if it wasn't for plot armor 😂😂😂
Like bruh if he wasn't the main villain the story would've ended waaaaaaay sooner
@@seijin4426 He would once he gets dropped
@@aymanbouyaya4759 Hulk fanboy spotted
I said it before I'll say it again Ang Lee's Hulk is an underrated masterpiece
Exactly
I remember renting that movie in a hotel absolutely bloody ages ago :)
The timing of this video is impeccable, I was literally going back and rewatching the 2003 and 2008 Hulk movies and am even going as far back as the 60s/70s Bill Bixby Hulk TV Series to watch a couple episodes. Going through the movies, I reminded myself of just how badly Marvel fumbled the bag with Hulk in the MCU. Can’t say it’s all their fault because of all the rights issues that were pertaining to Hulk’s character, but they definitely didn’t even really try hard enough to give us a great Hulk. They even went so far as to take one of his most well-known and important comics and watered it down to a completely unrecognizable comedy film. The sad part of it all is that it’s too late to even attempt to do anything with his character or give him another solo movie because all his “story arcs” have all been done in other films. The only hope we have is if they follow through with their reboot after Secret Wars and we get new actors and new stories, hopefully we get the chance to have a better represented Hulk on the big screen.
Imagine if instead of getting green Mark Ruffulo in End Game, we got the gray Hulk. He’s still a smart Hulk, but now instead of a raging monster, you get a cold, malicious, near anti-villain of a Hulk.
You ACCURATELY voiced my frustration of the hulk in the mcu!! I stopped watching marvel after the avengers movies and even then was struggling through them cuz of how usless they made the hulk.
hulk is like a toddler he’ll listen some times but he also throws a tantrum some times
Hulk is more than that tho, look at any of his previous material and you'll immediately change your mind. The MCU hulk is a dumb toddler, but not who Hulk should be as a character
There's one caveat to Hulk being a toddler in Marvel Comics. Bruce Banner was a genius level intellect as a toddler. Making Hulk smarter than the average toddler in Marvel Comics.
I hope MCU fix Hulk soon
Don’t forget Abomination.
Thankfully, he's not out of the MCU yet. There is still hope.
Bruce is always angry and when he loses CONTROL over that anger than he turns into the hulk. When you’re mad enough to fight someone you still can choose to control yourself and not get into a fight or lose control and get into a fight.
The ending of the Incredible Hulk shows Banner learning how to turn into the Hulk by will by his eyes glowing green and him smiling.
WRMZ is genuinely becoming one of my favourite Lore to Character Debunkers because he's EXPOSING these Disney writers😂😂😂😂.
for f sake marvel, just make an R rated Hulk movie already, or let sony do it. Stop neutering ma boy, come on man.
Sony doesn’t own hulk movie rights, universal does, but it ain’t like universal does shit with it, they could easily make a movie but they decide not to, marvel is only allowed to use him in cameos that’s why we haven’t gotten a sequel, I think if we got a trilogy people would be ok with Professor hulk. Basically I’d say universal just give up the hulk and Namor movies right if you ain’t gonna do anything with them
@@kaeaedwin7937 Yeah I agree with u bro, probably why the mcu doesnt care about the hulk, they dont have the rights. How does it work, cant they buy the rights or something?
@@spacepirate8355 aight so basically Universal owns the MOVIE rights to hulk and Namor franchise (this happened because marvel was going bankrupt so they would sell their movie licenses to movie companies. Now from what’s been said Marvel is allow to borrow hulk in other projects that aren’t hulk focused movies, so they can have hulk in avengers, Ironman, Thor and etc. but weren’t allowed to make a solo hulk film unless under the conditions that whatever money a hulk movie would make universal will get most of the profits. So when they made Incredible Hulk, even tho marvel made it, majority of profits would go to universal. So the reason we don’t have a hulk sequel or another hulk film is because neither side wants the other to more money off em, so Disney doesn’t want universal to have majority of the profit if they made one and universal doesn’t wanna let go of rights because they know how lucrative the hulk franchise can be so they’ve just been at a stalemate since 2008
@@spacepirate8355 so if you want someone to blame it’s the suits at Disney and universal that don’t one or the other to have a monopoly
@@kaeaedwin7937 Capitalism at its finest eh
The 2003 Hulk was THE hulk, no debate
Nah
2008
@@39mack23 Yah
i think Marvel don't have the rights to the Hulk
Probably
Universal own him I’m pretty sure
afaik they got the rights to Hulk back from Universal somewhat recently
They haven't had distribution rights to hulk movies for a while, so they couldn't make solo hulk films without Universal, only able to have him in avengers or other character films. They got the rights back somewhat recently, so they can make more if they want
they do not have rights to make solo movie hulk for 15 year. last solo hulk movie was in 2008, so from 2023 we could got second movie of hulk, but...
Found your channel not too long ago. SHIT IS FIRE. Reminds me of peak TH-cam vibes. Just being authentic. No ads. no beef. no bs.ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS NOT TOUCH KIDS AND definitely will be a top 10 in my opinion. Keep it up g
he lost to Iron Man. He is not hulk anymore. He is an oversized green bean. I can’t believe they did him like this.😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
You SMOKED the nail on the head on this one
This is why I stick to animation over live action Hulk is an absolute menace in animation.
You got three big ass laughs from me in the first 2 minutes alone i HAD to subscribe lmfaooooooo
Bruce being always angry is where 2008 hulk movie left off, he integrates his anger rather then suppress it and letting it bottled up turning him into hulk. his transition between him and hulk is so seamless in New York cuz he tamed anger/hulk. Which leaves the audience the question if hulk Bruce are the same person or not.
he couldn’t tame Hulk earlier in the film cuz Loki.
To quote Stan Lee " the madder he gets , the stronger he gets"
MCU "what?"
Also notice how the first movies are more grounded like Iron Man 1, Hulk 2008, Captan America 1 even Thor 1 but later on they get to laught at a pull my finger joke
The characters have been nerfed in live action ever since Disney bought Marvel.
You spoke facts, WRMZ. The Hulk has been absolute trash since Age Of Ultron and I still don't know why Joss Wheadon made Black Widow and Hulk lovers when those two characters have nothing in common. Black Widow is all about stealth and guile, Hulk is a 7'0 green rage monster who screams "Hulk smash" at the top of his lungs, I don't know how Joss Wheadon got the idea to cook up a scenario where Black Widow could end up with the Hulk when she flirted with Captain America in The Winter Solider.
I guess if the MCU is going to keep the Hulk as a joke, then Red Hulk will be the stand in for what the Hulk used to be. Since Red Hulk is already the main antagonist in Brave New World, however he's defeated he won't really go away since Ross is the President now and will probably still be featured in the Thunderbolts. So since Red Hulk will still have a menacing presence, perhaps he'll just carry the vibe that the real Hulk did back in 2008. If this is done right, I supposed this could be a "salvageable replacement."
4:40 - This is 100% correct if Iron Man can beat him then he deserves no place on the Avengers being the "muscle" when Iron Man already does that.
Don't think anything could beat that moment where Black Widow says "I swear on my life." and that was what guaranteed Hulk's appearance. Bruce Banner being constantly irritated, but contained, was a nice way of showing how much control he had gained since the Incredible Hulk Movie. And him snapping at Natasha was really because it was the second time she lied to him.
The first being in that shack and he scares her. It wasn't just a prank, but a way of explaining just how dangerous the Hulk was. And how she had no idea.
The 'leave me alone' scene from the incredible hulk movie was both cool and scary to me as a kid.
Why do people think Hulk was losing against the hulkbuster 🤦♂️
Imagine if the Hulk personality trapped in the back seat of Bruce's mind breaks out he will be more pissed then he's ever been that could possibly be a new version of world war Hulk
Devil Hulk
MCU has Hulk at 8'2" and Korg at 7'7". Yet in Endgame when Hulk went to get Thor in New Asgard, Korg towered over Hulk. Also, Thanos is listed at 8'3". In the comics he's only 6'7".
They do the same with Deadpool and wolverine, are u going to complain about the height difference between them when it also isn't comic book accurate?
@@xxxmitty9714 Nope. Because I don't give a $hit about Deadpool and Wolverine.
@@JoeR203 ur being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, it's the highest grossing rated R films of all time for a reason, ur either a dioshit for not giving a shit about it or ur trying too hard to be counter to culture that ur taking a full 360 degree spin.
8:29 "Hulk is by far the strongest avenger" while the avenger that can rival him is on screen
Nah the Hulk is the strongest
The Hulk is stronger than Thor. Thor is just better at aiming his powers and has better technique.
The treatment thor got in the mcu is arguably even worse than the hulk
From a thousand years old warrior god to complete clown
Thor from Lat still has really good feats not even close to the amount of embarrassment Hulk got
@@SalvoEdits i meant in terms of writing for the character
Thor Ragnarok thankfully broke me out of my love for the MCU before the worst realized. I've wondered how movie audiences easily were bought into Thor regressing into an exponentially more immature person with age. How does that even occur when his parents are both "gods" of wisdom?
From the first SDCC logo teaser, I imagined the entirety of Thor Ragnarok as an incredible Lord of the Rings/Pirates of the Caribbean scale movie where Thor Ragnarok's plot was the wisest Thor traveling all nine realms (maybe eight realms to keep Avengers Infinity War intact) showing why he's fit for being the king of Asgard / nine realms as they're self-destructing under Loki's official but foolish rule.
Loki eventually sides with Thor after his daughter and son (Hela & Fenris) start causing more problems than he can handle. In this "Once and future king" kind of story Thor begins making his way back to Asgard joined by an army (collecting exiles, pilgrims, wanderers, and innocent survivors of war) formed through each realm after his hammer is broken.
Rather than Hulk conveniently and for unexplained reasons flying to Sakaar somehow, Loki used his position to get revenge on Hulk and send him somewhere horrible in the nine realms where he meets Valkyrie. Who also was banished but by Odin prior to the events of Thor 2011. I've always imagined Balder the Brave died before the first Thor movie and that there was some teenage drama around his murder by Loki between Thor, Loki, Amora the Enchantress/Lorelei, Sif, the Warriors Three, Karnilla, and who knows maybe even Skurge the Executioner.
Thor would send Hulk and Valkyrie through the Bifrost bound for Doctor Strange's Sanctum Sanctorum while Loki escapes using the Tesseract. Loki hides on Thor Girl's planet (as Beta Ray Bill appeared in Thor Ragnarok) which Thanos invades around the time Thor tracks him down. I didn't even know how Thor Ragnarok would end similarly I just wanted to set up Thor Girl, whose planet was saved by Thor from Thanos.
I expected Nova to be the one who heroically fights Thanos but is beat up in Infinity War's opening act. Returning to Earth and warning Tony Stark Annihilation style.
I miss 2016-2017. Thor Ragnarok was my most anticipated Marvel movie. In retrospect maybe Taika Waititi was better for a Nova prequel movie released in-between Avengers Infinity War and Endgame. A Guardians of the Galaxy 2.5 of sorts.
The word "I'm always angry" Applicable only on Mike Tyson 💯💯💯
i understand that Ang Lee’s Hulk is divisive bc of some of the stylistic choices, but i think it, by far, does the best job of showing the Hulk as this scared, sad, confused creature, lashing out bc he doesn’t understand why he’s being attacked, just wanting to be left alone.
I can't believe this is only your 21st video. This was *SO* good! Like, *really!!*
Your editing style, your script, the arguments you made and the receipts to back 'em up, I loved this!
Plus, you're probably the only content creator I've come across that's actually called out Ragnarok for being a dumb jokey cartoon of a movie, I've been saying that for years lol!!
Fantastic work, bro! I've subbed and will now binge some more of your content 👍😊
Lmao a lot of ppl in these comments don’t really know the hulk they think he supposed to just be angry and smash everything when it more complex than tht many times in the comic hulk hates causing destruction for no reason
There is two or three people i want to blame in the mess of Hulk character
1. Universal
2. Feige and the Studio
3. F***in Russo Brother
The only way I can like the hulk again is if Dr. Strange accidentally teleport another Green Hulk variant that lives up to the true embodiment of the hulk
Hulk peaked in age of Ultron
How did MCU Hulk go from being a highlight and the best part of the movie he was into a after thought
They seriously fumbled and it's such a shame because Mark Ruffalo is a great actor
The iron man slander is crazy
Exactly, dude is just downplaying iron man, Hulk loosing to iron man isn't an antifeat for hulk as mcu iron man is pretty strong too he made thanos bleed, took power stone attacks and can channel thor's lightning and resist all 6 infinity stones energies momentarily,
Iron man is one of the strongest guys in marvel comics too with his godbuster, thorbuster and celestial armors he can possibly beat even comic hulk in my opinion with those armors.
The thing about The Hulkbuster Iron Man is that, it's not really stronger than The Hulk. It has a sedative function built into its fists meant to put the Hulk to sleep, and even with that, shown in the movie, Tony was still having a hard time. He wasn't "winning" in the traditional sense. His win condition is putting The Hulk to sleep.
It’s bad enough Hulk can’t even have his own villains anymore. Bi-Beast is a Thor villain, Abomination is a Shang Chi villain, Leader & Red Hulk are Captain America villains, what next? The U-Foes become Fantastic Four villains? Okay, I get that the U-Foes are evil versions of the Fantastic Four, but those guys have been Hulk villains since their debut & what happened to Betty after the 2008 movie?
Since no one wants to point out the problems with this video I guess I have to. problem 1 iron Man beating the hulk in Age of Ultron makes perfect sense in the movie. because hulk was winning the entire time. the only reason he lost in end is because the mind control he was under ended. which made him calm down and see all the damage he caused. and since iron Man didn't know his mind control ended and the hulk was going to transform back to Bruce banner in a minute. he snuck attack the hulk when he wasn't paying attention which knocked him out. Problem number 2 the hulk attacking Black widow and Thor in the middle of the movie. but following Captain America's orders at the end makes perfect sense if you've actually seen the movie. because the reason why the hulk was out of control in the middle of the movie was because everybody's emotions was out of control on The shield helicarrier due to the mind Stone making everyone angry. that was literally Loki's plan. his plan was for everyone to anger Bruce banner make the hulk transform and go out of control due to the mind Stone. and that would bring down shield and the avengers for him so that makes perfect sense. as for the reason why he followed Captain America's orders it's because literally his only orders was for the hulk to smash which is what he always does. also because the hulk takes orders from The avengers all the time in the comics and TV shows
As for the third and final problem with this video. Bruce banner saying he's always angry makes perfect sense because it's literally factually true. weather in the comics. TV shows. or movies. Because he was abused and hated ever since he was born by his father who thought he was a monster. his mother was killed by his father for defending Bruce. he was bullied in school because he was smarter than everyone which made everyone jealous and because he was antisocial due to being abused and hated all his life. and that's only a tiny piece of how horrible his life is so yes Bruce banner is always angry. the reason why he doesn't transform all the time is because he's surprising his anger. but yes he could transform anytime he wants to. he just has to think about how his father beat his mother to death. anybody who knows the hulk would know this that's why I was incredibly disappointed by this video. because it was an incredibly easy video to make. all you had to do was talk about how the MCU ruined the hulk after infinity war. instead you said things in this video that makes me think you might not have even seen the older MCU movies more than one time a decade ago
Only point where I will disagree with you is “if Iron-Man can beat the Hulk in a fight, he’s stronger”
I’ve seen enough anime to know that:
Wining a fight against someone =/= being stronger than someone
The thing is that they don’t give Hulk orders, they tell Hulk to do something he was pretty much gonna do anyway with the only limit being “only smash the bad guys”. Sure, overtime the Hulk comes around and identifies the avengers as his teammates, and later on, Captain America as the leader. But even then, they aren’t really ordering him around. They’re just telling him to do something he was gonna do anyway. It’s less like giving orders and more like hyping him up.
What really bothers me, is that they already used up elements from Worldbreaker Hulk. One of the best comic books stories, DC or Marvel.
So, even if we get to a place where we can get the X-Men and the Illuminati and the Inhumans in one movie they cant do Worldbreaker cause they wasted it on Ragnorok.
That shit pisses me off.
Actually they are desperate enough to bring back Uber antagonist Hulk to fight Wolverine
My only own explanation is that he calmed down with havint friends, Natasha and a purpose. He lost his endless anger as he became happy and accepted himself.
Thus, the rage became weaker do now he cannot even Hulk out (seen in Endgame when they travel back to NY).
"I'm always angry" is just a cold line. You don't need to take it so seriously
You hit the nail on the head in every aspect of the Hulk in the MCU. He's not the Hulk, he's the Julk (Joke)..... I hate how Hulk has been handled and he's been very misused in the MCU and I really wish someone somewhere would make us a proper Hulk movie outside of the MCU.
In defense of Iron Man beating Hulk, Bruce did say that he helped design Veronica just incase something like that ever happened
Bruce also helped Tony design the hulk buster in the comics, however when hulk got a hold of the suit he wrecked it to shreds
Personally I think Ironman just got a lucky hit in with Hulk. I found that movie to be goated but I can see your point. Hopefully Marvel say that this is just Banner's personality weakening the Hulk and one day show World Breaker Hulk.
And for Infinity War, Thanos did have the Power stone, so maybe not too much of a beat down.
Thanos was cheating.
You’re acting like Iron Man is just a citizen. Not only is he one of the smartest people on Earth, he also worked on the Hulkbuster to counteract specifically the Hulk. Which is why he doesn’t use it anywhere else. Also Bruce helped him.
Exactly!, he is just downplaying iron man, Hulk loosing to iron man isn't an antifeat for hulk as mcu iron man is pretty strong too he made thanos bleed, took power stone attacks and can channel thor's lightning and resist all 6 infinity stones energies momentarily,
Iron man is one of the strongest guys in marvel comics too with his godbuster, thorbuster and celestial armors he can possibly beat even comic hulk in my opinion with those armors.
It’s so funny to me Hulk is one of the few avengers to NOT have a solo movie post-2014
The problem is they ignored the character and gave the actor a role
@ItsWRMZ
🤦♂️ The "I'm always angry" line is just something that's supposed to sound cool and isn't meant to be taken literally.
Hulk listened to Cap because he hadn't attacked Hulk and because what he told Hulk to do is "smash", which Hulk loves to do. Remember, he did punch Thor later on during the Battle of New York because he remembered that Thor attacked him on the Helicarrier.
Black Widow presumably calmed down the Hulk because they had no way of knowing how long it would take for him to revert back to Bruce Banner after their battle against those Hydra members, and they didn't want to have to worry about him potentially causing damage to the quinjet that the Avengers use when they would go to leave & return to Avengers Tower(AKA Stark Tower).
Hulk actually did pretty well against the Hulkbuster Armor for most of his fight with Iron Man. The only reason that he didn't win the fight is because he got distracted when he realized what he had done after he got snapped out of whatever hallucinations he was having that Wanda Maximoff caused him to have, which gave Tony the opportunity to knock Hulk unconscious. Hulk tends to revert back to Bruce when he gets knocked unconscious, so that's presumably what happened after Tony knocked out the Hulk.
Before 'The Avengers 3: Infinity War', everything was good when it came to the Hulk in the MCU franchise.
Not only that but hulk got blasted with gas in the fight, not to mention the Bruce helped build the hulkbuster.
I wouldn't say he lost his fight to Ironman in AoU. He was destroying Tony's Hulkbuster suit, and in turn was destroying the city. Once he noticed the destruction he was causing, he considerably calmed down, and Tony snuck him. That's the same as claiming Goku lost to Majin Vegeta because he turned his back and got sucker punched.
They should've given him a rematch with Thanos just have him serve Captain Marvel's role in the final battle. By making him green Bruce, they took away what made him interesting. His forever curse as the Hulk. Even with Professor Hulk they could've had Hulk be tired of Bruce being in charge and he wants out. Throughout the film have Bruce struggle with keeping Hulk inside. Then he just lets go by the end.
I’m rocking with the content
Bro that ending made me laugh my ass off 😂😂😂 holy shit 😂😂 “hulk outtt!”
“BRUCE!!!”
Crazy the hulk was my favorite superhero back when I was a kid then got turned off cause of the mcu
We need an immoral Hulk comic book run. Turns Hulk back into a monster
Hulk in comics can shit on both iron man and captain marvel any second
Bro spoke my heart fr
Finally someone that agrees! 2008 Hulk was peak hulk for the MCU. I’ve never met anyone else that thinks that
Not even the way he got effortlessly packed up but they make him look like a coward since IF and made a MASSIVE character development offscreen and not even a rematch they disrespected my boy
4:40
Exactly. Much as I love Hulk, him being used *very* sparingly in the films would've been the best way to establish his raw power. He would've been kinda like Thanos. The looming danger of him is what builds the fear and hype around him. You don't know when he'll come, you don't even know if he WILL. You just know he *could* . And that thought alone is terrifying enough. That right there is the Hulk presence I want. The lack of Hulk presence would give him a strong presence to the audience, if that makes any sense. It would've made the moments he was unleashed much more impactful. To let you know shit got real.
I think Hulk is a character you build *around* , not ontop of. That's not to say Hulk can't change, it's moreso that his change can't be tied to only when we see him. And no, I don't mean offscreen, ew.
It's such a damn shame Universal has the rights to him. Those rights that they're doing fuck all with. I've been into the Hulk ever since I was a kid. Ironically enough though, the MCU was how I was introduced to the character. After Avengers, I was a Hulkomaniac. He was my favorite Avenger, and when I talk about him like this and think about the depth and potential depth of him, he still is. In the MCU he's one of the least interesting characters when he honestly should be one of the most.
In recent years I've sorta forgotten about the poor fella. With the way he was treated in the MCU, my hype and passion for him died off slowly. I was still hype whenever he showed up, but those moments became fewer and fewer. I was excited in Ragnarok about his bout with Thor, but honestly his entrance is better than the fight. The buildup is intense and cool, you see puffs of green gas throughout the audience, they're cheering loud as hell as he breaks through the wall. It's genuinely awesome, I've never related more to a fictional audience in my life. The fight was alright and the Loki callback was fun, but the buildup and initial entrance was so much better by comparison. Then came Infinity War. Seeing Hulk get clapped so easily hurt. A lot. But I expected that to setup an eventual rematch and redemption. I was alright with the whole Hulk being disobedient. At the time I saw this as a crazy amount of setup for the King's return. Then Professor Hulk happened and my interest in him flatlined.
I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm desperate. Desperate as hell. I am so fucking desperate for SOMETHING to reinvigorate my love for Hulk. Marvel's Avengers was a flicker of hope. Then I saw the shit talk and bad reviews on it. And *even then* I was so desperate that I STILL played the game just because I wanted to play as Hulk so badly, even if it sucked.
I'm dry. The kid in me who loved Hulk so much that he bought and wore the absolute hell outta the Hulk hands has been dry for years and it really hurts. Genuinely. I'm just so angry and sad that it feels like no one cares about him anymore. I know that's not true, but man does it feel like it sometimes.
And this is coming from a guy who has never touched a comic book in his entire life. Literally, the Avengers movies and Incredible Hulk (2008) are all that have been fueling this insane love for this character. No matter how wrong they do him, I can never stop loving this character. And god, I can't even begin to imagine how horrible it is for Hulk fans who've been fans longer than I have, consumed so much more Hulk media than I have. Ugh. This just feels bad.
They deserve better. Hulk and Bruce deserve better.
You are talking straight facts about MCU Hulk they have absolutely failed him. 1:43 I absolutely miss 2008 version of Hulk 3000
I feel like Professor Hulk would’ve been fine if they had shown Bruce becoming him. Having it happen all off screen makes it feel so cheap and undeserved.
Also Disney has been trying for years to demasculinize its male characters especially hulk. Notice he’s literally been getting smaller as each movie comes out and now he is completely useless and tells jokes or is the butt of a joke
WRMZ POST LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Agreed 100%. Even though I love Age of Ultron, both Hulk’s & Banner’s characterizations were destroyed starting with that movie 😭
I just hope when the MCU soft reboots after Secret Wars that they’ll get some much needed redemption.
Even professor hulk could have been very cool if executed well. But no, he is just a random comic relief. And people loved it for what it was. The problem is, They used processor hulk for gags.Bruce Banner himself was a badass character. He is very under utilized in the MCU
idk why ppl hate 2012-2015 hulk so much, he was goated
Joss Whedon understood that Bruce Banner/The Hulk is a tragic character.
@@petermj1098and 2008 hulk didn’t show no tragedy yet y’all like it lmao
@@JoshAllen-f4e The Hulk is if Frankenstein’s Mosnter mixed with Mr Hyde, and Bruce Banner is if Victor Frankenstein mixed with Dr Jekyll were a superhero. Both of those stories are tragic because humanity are more the barbaric monsters than literal the barbaric monsters. Hulk is a tragedy because Bruce/Hulk are good and heroes but society makes them think they are not.
2012 hulk is good though
This guy forgot that
Hulk was manipulated in mind stone
In avengers 1 that's why he started to attack other avengers
This gonna sound out of pocket but I didn't like him in Ragnorok. It would've been better if after he landed on sacar he started reflecting and thinking rationally and speaking somewhat coherently not like Banner or professor hulk but like a creature with frightening intelligence to the point you'd think twice before trying pull up on the Hulk something similar to EMH. That version of hulk is the best IMO
Hulk went from Incredible to Shrek.
I hope they use the multiverse to bring back a respectable hulk in into the MCU. (And hopefully fight red hulk)
bro his the nail on the head with this one
Edward Norton will forever be my hulk since his varient of the character was dark and emotional and scary.
What i loved about the movie is that he paid homage to bill bixby's version of the character and adding references from the tv series and felt like if he was actually him from the show and his trauma.
Mark Ruffalo was ultimately promising in the first avengers and avengers age of ultron with his take on hulk. But after seeing what he became in Ragnorok, i lost all respect and hope for the mcu for what it did to the hulk character.
Hulk went from "HULK.......SMASH!" (2008) to being a meme made by kevin feige 😔
I agree with the fact that he's been nerfed
I get why people and comic book fans miss the OG Hulk but i have to say professor hulk gets no respect for saving the universe, just like Ant man doesn't get the respect he deserves in Quantumania.
To Banner's credit, he did help in constructing an Infinity Gauntlet.
What he means by "always angry" is that he can turn into hulk on command. If you paued attention to the end of the 2008 hulk, youd see that.
Despite all the good points you make, I have to disagree on one thing. Your statements about how it’s embarrassing the Hulk lost to the Hulkbuster.
The Hulkbuster isn’t just some buff suit of armor. It’s a suit of armor Tony Stark made with the sole and only purpose of being a countermeasure for if the Hulk were to go rogue, it’s a suit of armor specifically designed to deal with Hulk created by one of if not the smartest person alive. Not to mention, during that entire fight, Iron Man was pretty much getting his ass handed to him. Meanwhile, the Hulk was not slowing down or getting tired in the slightest Iron Man with constantly having to call in repairs and replacements for pieces of his armor. While the worst the Hulk had was simply losing a tooth, and that only made him more mad.
It took an endless amount of beatings and having an entire building, dropped on him to even knock him out and being able to knock the Hulk unconscious would be considered an extraordinary feat.
If we’re comparing to other versions of the hulk in the comics the Devil Hulk from the Immortal Hulk comic ripped apart the Hulkbuster like nothing
@@Ricky-hl2iz
Comparing superheroes from comics to their movie counterparts in terms of power is really unfair because the comic versions tend to either be utterly pitiful or the most broken character ever conceived.
For example. MCU Drax is, physically, an absolute unit. Capable of flipping over police cars with next to no effort. While he’s super strong, he’s not invincible. We see a guy pull out a massive laser canon and it still hurts him. But this attack would make incinerate most people. It only knocks Drax back a bit. He gets hit by it a few more times and all it does is bring him to his knees. And even then, we see he’s completely fine after they leave the Orgocorp building and is given some time to rest.
Comic book Drax is literally capable of destroying whole solar systems with no effort whatsoever.
@@theparrishshow9803true, because if you are taking comic hulk then take comic iron man's strongest armors too like godbuster, hard light armor and celestial armor, within the context of mcu hulkbuster vs hulk made sense.
Hulkbuster Armour never won a fight with the Hulk in Comics!!
Movie makers should remain true to thir source material
We could have professor hulk if they did him how they did in the comics and show. Smart and Intimidating as fuck.
They tried the brutal monster Hulk in 2008 and no one liked it
could you do a short video on the 2003 hulk movie, probably the most powerful and destructive version of hulk ever seen in movies
Ayy W editing, vid funny ash😭😭😭
1:51 I COMPLETELY AGREE. 2008 Hulk was The Best. Ed understood Hulk and even wanted to take on a journey of exploring Hulk with a great series of Hulk movies. MCU didn't like that. How dare you show the depth and development of such a complex character?
I heard professor hulk was actually pretty cool in the comics. I wish they adapted him better instead of just making him banner in hulk's skin
One thing I wished happened in Endgame is during the final battle when Thanos has the Power Stone it's Hulk who confronts him and at first it seems like he's going to lose. However, when Thanos punches him with the Power Stone Hulk STOPS his Fist with one Hand and looks at Thanos, his face filled with rage, his body actually growing large and pulsing with Gamma energy as he screams with rage HULK IS STRONGEST THERE IS!
Essentially Hulk goes World Breaker and overpowers Thanos with the Power Stone, getting a moment to redeem himself from Infinity War and showing he is the strongest.
Theres no shame in getting clapped by a no-gauntlet Thanos.... if he was Comic Thanos with all his powers, but they nerf Thanos so bad in the MCU, that I don't even think he has any powers outside being a stronger, purple, Bruce Banner Hulk. He needed the power stone to shoot projectile in the MCU, when in the comic, he can do that with ease.