Very typical. Very sad as well. Any bands THAT BIG have issues. Neal is one of my very favorite guitarists and Ive hung with him yearsss back at NAMM. He was super fun but I also have heard Horror stories haha. Regardless- these guys are ICONS. Im always gonna love the music.
Keep the effing wives out of the business and put an adult in charge of everyone's social media. The remaining members are tarnishing their legacy nonstop and that has to stop.
Arnel is a sweetheart. I’ve met him. He also saved their asses and helped bring them back up into them public awareness, when they were at their lowest-yet they reward that with uncertainty and disrespect.
Word. Since Schon and Cain want to continue touring they should be bending over backwards to keep Arnel happy. They had the gold standard with Perry, and Arnel is the next best thing. They won't find any one with the voices and stage presences of Perry and Pineda. Most major acts aren't able to find a comparable replacement when they lose their lead singer. Journey lucked out in finding Pineda. Having typed Perry & Pineda I now want them to tour together as duo.
Castronova has said that his voice could not do an entire concert, night after night. At this point, it seems that Arnel can also use the break that Castronova contributes because his vocal chords are increasingly strained, as well. Having both of them is what makes it work now. Still wish it was Steve Perry though, always, by far. I don't listen to or go to the clone concerts. They should have considered what Jeff Scott Soto could have brought to reliven the band, but they burned him, and he still took the high road on his response to what they did to him. Gregg Rolie probably should now distance himself, which is a shame. And Steve Perry may have had some personal issues that led him to become controlling, but that (especially since he publicly apologized and owned up to it and did so much to try to make up for his mistakes) seems like nothing in comparison to the embarrassing dump that Cain and Schon has created of Journey and its legacy now.
@@callielucas1197 Deen has never said such thing. He did a whole tour with Schon in the Journey through time thing for like 2 yrs as the main vocalist.
Steve Perry ABSOLUTELY owns his music rights. And because Rolie owns his Journey rarely plays any of songs associated with him ( Feeling That Way, Anytime, etc.)
It's that Grifter he married. The one who crashed a White House party with her previous husband and, if I remember correctly, they got caught and kicked out. As soon as she bleeds him dry, she'll move onto the next one.
For real... and the sad part is every one of them are already so rich that their grandchildrens grandchildren will never have to work... But apparently Neil just can't get enough. It's sad. They should be celebrating their history and their brotherhood... Instead they're bickering like a bunch of old blue haired bingo women.
@@Frankenberry Neal Schon donates a lot to the Democrats. The way things are going for the DNC it looks like Neal will need to keep working to support his comrades. Lol
I’m a Journey fan from the Steve Perry days. It’s sad what’s going on with the band and that it’s no longer about the music. Clearly, Schon and his wife are trying to squeeze every last dime out of the “Journey” name. The band has been over-working Arnel for years. It takes a lot of money to live like a “Rock Star”! Isn’t that right Neal?
The ultimate huge hits that made Journey famous were written primarily but Cain & Perry! Agree with so many comments about greed by Schon. Sad to end the Journey legacy this way.
There is so much drama that I truly don't care any more. Whenever there's a concert with Journey on the bill, you can't even keep track of who is going to be in the lineup. They've effectively destroyed their own legacy.
They are one step shy of being a cover band, much like Yes is now with only one legacy member left in the band (and no, I don't consider Geoff Downes a "legacy member"). Look at Foreigner at this point - ZERO original members!
Yes, I loved “The Storm”! Wish they would have stayed together. Got to see them open up for Peter Frampton in the early nineties, at a small venue in Cincinnati called Bogarts.
Journey ended in 1987. Steve Perry voice is not replaceable. I was blessed to have floor 2nd row center seats back in 1985. I wish that night would go on forever. It was amazing night I will not forget. But with Steve’s departure, it was no longer journey.
It seems to me the common person in all these disputes is Neal Schon. It looks like, and I might be wrong, that Neal is the jerk here. I hope whom ever has their head up the dark side, gets it pulled out before all is lost. What a shame that would be.
As a true Journey fan who owns every one of their albums with Steve Perry as the lead singer , I just haven't listened to journey with anyone else as their lead singer . I am just nostalgic when it comes to my rock n roll especially super bands like Journey . I was born in 1961 and I guess you could say I'm stuck in the 70s & 80s as far as my tastes go .
I'm like you. I was born in the 50's and Journey is my # 1 Band. I haven't listened to them since Steve left. He's the "ICONIC", Voice of Journey. I NEVER new what happened within the band to start this, do you?😢
There’s (a few in this band )…who Still have massive egos in the band,no wonder there’s problems within the band,perry & Rollie done made the perfect decision to leave,I’ve seen them twice with Pineda,still a good band,but not the same go in them,I can remember them smiling on stage,not the twice I seen them,problems..problems.
I would love to see Steve Perry, Ross Valory, Stave Smith, Gregg Rollie, and throw in somebody like Billy Squire on lead guitar! I feel sorry for Arnel Pineda, he seems like a great guy!
Billy Squire is not a lead guitar player. Maybe a million other people though. Billy Squire no. He’s also been gone since the pink shirt incident. I guess maybe you could ruin Journey’s reputation more though…
I have said it before and I'll say it again - at this point, I would much rather see Gregg Rolie, Ross Valory, Steve Smith and Steve Perry get together again on a new project, any guitar player will do, and maybe Perry can find a song where he and Arnel can sing a duet together, it would be a massive seller, Perry has much more clout than Schon anyway at this point.
To me, the trouble maker here is "Mrs. Schon". There was never any legal battles or bickering until she came along. She was not part of the original group with Gregg and Steve and she runs around calling them evil names and trying to take away their copyright and trademark rights because she is greedy, feeling like Neal deserves everything just because he doesn't know how to manage his money. He always needs to be on the road because that's where the $$$ is. That's why he needed Steve to get his surgery....money! As Steve said, "This is not a band decision". Unfortunately, to the others, it was a cash decision. Steve wasn't physically able to it. As a huge fan, it pisses me off. I wish little miss greedy would get her nose out of the band's business, old and new, and keep her snotty nose out of it. That's my POV.
Quick Note: Technically, Prairie Prince was Journey's original drummer 1973-1974 (prior to recording of their first major label release) with Aynsley Dunbar filling the drummer slot from 1974 -1978 (albums/ tours for Journey, Look Into The Future, Next and Infinity). Steve Smith didn't join Journey until October 1978.
Prairie Prince factors-in only for ancient history since he never recorded with the band. Aynsley Dunbar is officially Journey's first drummer, not Steve Smith as incorrectly stated here.
@@dislikesquare8749 I mentioned Prairie Prince because he played with the band for two years, as I mentioned in my post, prior to them recording their first album. Yes, Aynsley Dunbar was the first drummer that played for the band when they started recording and releasing albums. I was covering my bases as far as "original" Journey drummers are concerned. Kinda like Pete Best was technically The Beatles' first drummer but Ringo is the one on the throne when they got their contract and started recording. I was trying to be thorough.
This dude is not doing his homework, Neal Shown?? These guys are acting like little Barbie’s, it’s always about $$$, disgusting, good for Perry checking out of his lawsuit. Is Arnel offended that Rollie was going to join?? WTF
I find it sad that one of the most successful bands in history are ending on such a disgraceful note. These are all old men that are all very wealthy and to ruin their legacy by going out fighting over money and egos is just beyond belief. The biggest names involved have more money than they could spend in five lifetimes. Why let your last years be about drama instead of letting the music speak for itself and celebrating their collective talents? Money is not the problem. The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.
Arnel is awesome. Saved that band imo. They're still able to fill venues with him so, to even possibly get rid of him at this point is absurd. Just dumb-ass rumors like most other things.
The only talent this Lil 5 ft. man (Arnel) has is impersonating, imitating and singing all STEVE PERRY old hits songs. 🤣😆🤣🤣This little man will NEVER be a true, multi-talented (The voice/Hits songs writer) as Steve Perry or Mariah Carey in his lifetime. I'm just going to keep it real. This is why we NEVER heard Arnel's original hits song playing on the radio or any new material on TH-cam.
This is quite a 50th anniversary for the band! Honestly, every member old and new should all get into a big room together and work things out once and for all. Then, if successful, go out and do one massive farewell tour together for us fans. Afterwards, retire, have closure, and go enjoy life again.
Not even a possibility. Schon sees himself as THE word on all things Journey. There is ZERO chance he'd ever allow such a thing to happen. Schon considers everyone involved with the band as HIS employees.
Why should they have to retire? they still have the energy to give great shows! they just have to settle their differences and keep on rocking for a few more years....
I feel bad for Arnel Pineda. he's done a fine job replacing Steve Perry.. It's obvious that he's just a hired gun and Neil would fire him first chance he gets..
Based on what Arnel said I don't think he even understands what's going on. How does what's going on with the keyboard players have anything to do with him? He kind of came out of no where with what he said, doesn't really make any sense actually.
Arnel said he doesn’t care if he gets fired. I would not feel bad for him he has made a ton of money I’m sure he could quit now and live comfortably. For what it’s worth they would be screwed without Arnel the other guys they had after Steve were not that good compared to Arnel if he quits it’s over till they get a new guy, he learns everything and all that or they get one of the old singers which I wouldn’t do unless it was Perry. It could be the end of the band if he left I mean Cain is 73 he might not want to go through it all again.
Anel era um cover do Steve Perry, ele fazia shows em Filipinas, um amigo do Neal Schon disse "ouvi um cara que imita o Perry, fechei os olhos parece o próprio Perry cantando" aff!! até parece que usaram o Pineda..
Seems Steve Perry had more foresight into the dynamics of the band than many people give him credit for. Instead, he was ostracized by many for not staying with the band, despite his hip injury. The in-fighting was happening even back in the Perry years. Pineda has paid his dues and is worth more than this. He should go his own way....maybe he and Perry can do something together. They're the only sane ones....and this coming from someone whose favorite band of all time is Journey AND I give mad respect to Neal and Gregg (and Herbie) for starting Journey, but it's simply becoming a joke now. Never thought I'd say that.
@@HisHimmer Arnel was the reason Journey are where they are, After Steve left they were nothing for while?? Without a singer...a band is just a group of musicians? ANYONE can play a guitar or drums??
It's very heartbreaking to see one of the greatest, most talented bands ever come to this. Their legacy will always have the music but now will be tarnished by this. 😢
@@phillipmarlowe0525 Prairie Prince - yes early drummer - weird name and spelling (I looked it up it is so hard). He went with The Tubes later, and I got to see him with Todd Rundgren once. Insane.
@@fredfox3851 You are welcome. Journey original line up: Neal Schon - Guitar and vocals Gregg Rollie -keyboards and vocals Ross Valory - bass George Tickner- rhythm guitar Prairie Prince - drums.
The last few years have been rough for the band in general with all the lawsuits and management issues surrounding them, but no matter what happens from here on out I will still like the music that they created. May you rest in peace Dr. George Tickner knowing that you helped create a band that would truly rock on this long.
@@paulwojnilowicz5265 And Neil's. vision of what he thought the band could become because when he brought in Steve Perry that changed everything and they became very famous almost overnight. He did do the band a great favor in that regard, although it did see the replacement of Dunbar as their drummer because I couldn't understand why they would replace him.
@@dangroat4438 I can, Dunbar replaced himself, like he did with another band he was in, he liked variety, and change kept the music fresh, like Fleetwood Mac! Aw, the music of my childhood! I still listen to a lot of the same bands, with a little new stuff!
They had their day. They’ve tried to keep it alive. I feel the best lineup was during the Rolie/Perry years. They were still great when Cain joined. Raised on Radio was good. I feel it would’ve been better had they not given Smtih and Valory the boot. Steve Augeri was very good, IMHO. A very decent Perry soundalike. But honestly, they should’ve hung it up after Trial By Fire. Too much drama and BS. Time to call it done.
To any rash of problems, always look at the common denominator... (All in the last few years) Neal Schon vs Steve Smith Neal Schon vs Ross Valory Neal Schon vs Steve Perry Neal Schon vs John Cain Neal Schon vs Greg Rollie All involving money. Listen, I've been Journey's biggest fan since i was 12yo (1978), Neal Schon's guitar playing is severely under rated, but Schon as a person needs to get his personal financial affairs under control before he ruins Journey's legacy.
I'm sure Jonathan Cain is relieved for the world to learn he was not at the center of being the one difficult to work with. Some people just do what is best for them and don't care all that much about everyone else when they want to live the rock & roll life style.
Cain isn't mr. nice guy either. He's the one that's blocked Rollie from returning and even tried to block him from being at the RnR HOF. Not to mention when he got the Journey gig, at Rollie's recommendation he then strong armed Herbie Herbert "after" already agreeing to join by threatening to leave if he didn't get his wife a record deal.
I bought the Journey Through Time CD/DVD. It's amazing with so many great songs that Journey never will play Live again, I would much rather pay to this group then seeing Journey who play the same songs over and over, Neal really messed this one up so sad he's an A hole.
I love Journey from around 1981. I am also a huge Rush fan. One huge difference between the two bands is that Rush were always friends with each other and split the money equally among band members from the beginning to the end. Journey has been nothing but a shit storm of fighting, changing members, and accusing each other of every thing under the sun. Clearly its amazing how they can get on stage with each other when they Clearly hate one another......damn shame.
Because Schon keeps reminding everyone it's his band and he can't stand not to be able to be controlling the band Arnel Pineda and Jonathan Cain should just jump ship before Captain Schon sinks the entire thing
@aprilgosa5779 you are right. Being a leader is one thing, but treating the other guys like employees is another. A band is supposed to be a team. You are right, he is sinking them
What's best for all of the band members, whats best for the music and the fans is that they settle their differences and go out an anniversary tour with everyone. All of these issues have one common denominator- Neil. But Neil doesn't care about anything more than his ego. Just imagine a tour of everyone together and enjoying playing music together.
I swear Journey, Kiss & Motley Crue are three bands that I would be fine if we never hear any of the members speak again. EVERY EFFIN DAY it's one thing or another 😂
The only talent this Lil 5 ft. man (Arnel) has is impersonating, imitating and singing all STEVE PERRY old hits songs. 🤣😆🤣🤣This little man will NEVER be a true, multi-talented (The voice/Hits songs writer) as Steve Perry or Mariah Carey in his lifetime. I'm just going to keep it real. This is why we NEVER heard Arnel's original hits song playing on the radio or any new material on TH-cam.
@2:42 You mention Journey's original drummer Steve Smith?? Steve Smith wasn't the original drummer!! Nothing worse than a reporter who can't get it right. Aynsley Dunbar was Journey's original drummer on their first 4 albums up to Infinity.
I totally do agree with you man on that one being a professional drummer myself and of course you are 100% correct and as far as this video, same old shit different day and the only thing really current in this one is talking about Gregg Rollie. Everything else is the same BS
Huge respect for Gregg Rolie! Sad to see some of these legacy bands that are fighting over money. At some point, it stopped being about the music for some people.
Why would you feel sorry for Arnel? He got great benefit from imitating Steve Perry and made some money and got famous. There's nothing to feel sorry about.
Deen Castrnovo is a total vocal bad ass. Everything he sings sounds awesome. Those who keep holding onto Steve Perry are just wasting their energy. There is no amount of money that can be paid for Steve to ever work with that ego maniac midget Neil Schon. I’m a big Journey fan but sadly I wouldn’t waste another dollar on this drama filled band. I will also add that while Greg Rollie is a legend. His time has come and gone with Journey
Jonathan Cain is also a legend. Steve will never come back. Among reasons, he can't do it anymore. They'd have to change the song keys more than a half step, and it would sound terrible and unrecognizable from what fans know. The window of a reunion has long passed. They shouldn't have tossed him when they did though, and waited for him to recover.
Steve Perry would rather put his own arm down his throat and rip his vocal cords out, as well as his spleen and kidneys....before he would ever do anything with Journey again!!! Neal Schon is an egomaniac. If I were Arnel..I would walk. Let them get on the best way they can? Let Cain and Schon rip each others heads off. TOXIC
It sounds like this is over. We thank them for their longevity and their incredible library of music. They will never be forgotten. I thank them for staying together as long as they have. Usually incredibly talented bands are broken up shortly by ego's. But the one's in the hall of fame seem to not let this destroy their dream or vision. We know who they are.
Hmmm...take a look at Neal Schon's history regarding greed and ego and also examine the history of his wife regarding greed and shenanigans and you'll have all the answers. Such a sad state of affairs of a legendary band.
And folks wonder why Perry will not sing with them anymore.....I am and was a huge journey fan....Funny there is a Old saying if there is a problem find the constant source....every time some happens Neal is at the Center....Perry said in a interview a few years back with CBS about a reunion with journey....he said he believes in moving forward....and to him that would be a step back...Neal is still Living in the Past Money Hungry ....playing all the old Hits ...needs the Money to keep his young wife happy and Pay for his Plastic Surgery...they have just become a Journey Tribute Band to themselves I truly hate to see this in such a Iconic Band...that had so much talent......I can not blame Steve and Greg to distance them selves from all the crap being tossed around now.....truly a Shame....
It's well past time to pull the plug! Has anyone else noticed that all the problems with Journey seem to be traced back to Neal Schon? Journey was started by/for Neal as a spin-off of his guitar stardom in Santana leaving that band at 18 years old. Journey was originally a prog band with Neal as the free-spirited guitarist. But that wasn't a formula for commercial success. As others have stated, the hits started coming as Jonathan and Perry later joined and began to co-write together. Obviously, Neal's guitar playing was amazing throughout but the formula for their success was Jonathan's beautiful piano melodies and the once in a generation voice and lyrics of Steve Perry! I don't think Neal has ever really come to terms with that and still considers the band as his project. Well...he started it, now it sounds like he's doing a hell of a job, killing it! Well done Neal! 👏
It’s a shame the greed has corrupted a few of them. They should be thankful for what they have contributed to music overall and how their music is legendary throughout generations. Their music will live on beyond their graves as many legends do. The Beatles, Elvis, John Lennon, etc
Anyone else feel like Journey has become the Neal Schon & Friends Band? Every controversy with this band seems to center around Primadonna Neal-with Perry, Smith, Valory, Cain, and now Rollie.
Its Neal’s band but Neal is the problem. Thise guys were broke until Perry came into the picture. 99.9% of whatvthey play is Perry era songs. He got Greg in but screwed him too as you can see. Herbie said it best, Neal is not the brightest bulb in the bunch. He spends like he’s rich, he gets a new guitar every day - literally, his wife jas to gonto the beauty every day Racks up the credit card and blames Cain….so lets see. He has a problem with everybody, Steve sues him, Valory and Smith get thrown out and sue him too, Greg now sues him. Arnel is fed up. Way to go Neal.
With Rock Bands you take what you can get while the magic lasts. The more brilliant and talented they are the shorter they last. Buffalo Springfield is a good example. We were spoiled by the Beatles, The Stones, CSNY and others. Many of these bands were filled with talented solo artists that wanted that future.
Pink Floyd, Van Halen, the Beatles, Journey, KISS, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, the list goes on. Internal band strife and discord (which I've witnessed and been involved in MANY times having been in about a dozen bands) , are a VERY common thing. Bands are VERY much like a marriage, and sometimes marriages go bad. Finger pointing, public sniping, "scenes and incidents occurring", all part of the process. NO ONE--is ever completely guilty, and no one is ever completely innocent. 99.99% of the time, EVERYONE in the group tends to act, and react poorly. It may sometimes only take the actions of one to kickstart the turmoil, but inevitably everyone ends up contributing their fair share of bad behavior. That's just how it is. The best example I can give is this, though I'm sure some will disagree, as I'm also fairly confident that those who do disagree, are disagreeing as a FAN, and not as a musician or band member. """Everything that DLR said about Edward Van Halen is TRUE. Everything that EVH said about DLR, IS ALSO TRUE."""" Everything Roget Waters accuses David Gilmour of is TRUE. Everything David Gilmour says about Roger Waters "oppressive control" and arrogance is ALSO TRUE. Welcome to rock 'n' roll. Welcome to the "bidness". There is no doubt in my mind, that Neil Schon is guilty of being petty, and greedy. There is also no doubt in my mind that he's RIGHT, a good portion of the time. Same can be said for the rest of the guys, with the possible exception of Gregg Rolie, who's been out of the Journey picture for a long time, and is understandably cautious of getting into the middle of a bitter divorce that's not of his making. Everyone should remember though, Journey had already been conceived by Neal Schon, and Gregg Rolie BEFORE they left Santana in '72, and Neal is the only founding member whose never left the band. Saying that Neal Schon doesn't have cause, to feel about Journey the way he does, is ABSURD, in the same way that saying EVH didn't have the right to feel the way he did about the band that BORE HIS NAME. Journey would have no legacy AT ALL without Neal Schon. Period. The sad part is Gregg being put of by all this bickering.
Here's the thing... Schon NEVER tried to get Greg back in the band until Jonathon decided he wasn't going to let Neil just fleece everybody... He tries to treat Journey like it's his solo project. IN MY OPINION... The only reason that Neil ever wanted Greg back in the band was to try to get at Jonathon and push him out. They were already having issues. Neil is undoubtedly an important member, being a founder , etc. HOWEVER... When it comes to songwriting, and their BIGGEST hits, Jonathon is JUST as important... ALL those big time singles back in the day... Look at the songwriting credits... Most of them were primarily written by Jonathon and Steve Perry. He's a BIG part of the songwriting history of the band. He's every bit as important as any member of the band as such, and Neil just wants to treat him like a hired hand... Like he's freakin' Arnel or some shit.
Exactly. If you read the song credits of the most loved era of Journey's history, Jonathan Cain comes out on top. He made the band go from moderately popular to super stars over night.
@@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 Absolutely... and he's completely undervalued because he's not an "original" member of the band. No shade at Greg, he's great in his own right, but Jonathon Cain is all that plus a master song writer. Neil was a prodigy, and he's an iconic guitarist, no doubt about it. He needs to quit trying to be "the man" and stop letting his New Age Yoko Ono stick her nose in the business and just focus on playing his guitar and writing great solos. Arnel does a great job, but I'm just not interested all that much without Steve Perry. Kinda starting to understand why he doesn't want anything to do with it anymore. Kinda seems like Greg learned that pretty quick too.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Perry absolutely took them to a higher level, and when him and Cain got together and started writing songs??? THATS when they shot to the moon. Jonathon Cain is COMPLETELY undervalued. What he brings to that band lyrically, and melodically, combined with Steve Perry's ability to sing those melodies so smooth and powerfully, thats what made that band the Global Powerhouse that it is today.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle The saddest thing is, Rollie is actually a good dude... and he's a good musician... but, he's just been kinda used as a pawn in this whole thing to try to take a jab at Cain and get him out of the way. Luckily, He saw what was up and walked off and hired a lawyer. If they can't quit bickering like a bunch of high school girls, and just do the damn thing.. its over. They're not getting any younger.
Sometimes I wonder what Journey would've sounded like had Rolie stayed in the band? But, for my part, I think Schon's wife may be part of the problem. But, that's just my own speculation. Maybe I'm just refuse to believe that Schon would knowingly and willfully try to screw over his friend of more than 50 years. But, I can't discount the fact that money can have a terrible effect on people, especially friendships. The truth is, we just don't know what is really going on. There's certainly quite a bit of juicy and seductive speculation floating about, including what I've said here. Then again, speculation is the result when there is an absence of actual facts and information.
Many bands have gone through similar circumstances but they kept their laundry off the clothes line....it sours many from even listening to Journey because it's hard to get past people who seem to be more ungrateful than thankful, less mercy and more rash judgements. People aren't interested in soiled diapers that some refuse to change....my advice to Neal and Jonathan...grow up.
This is a result of what happens when some bands stay together for too long. It hasn’t been about the music for many years. It’s about financing a lifestyle. It also demonstrates what happens when wives get involved. Women ruin anything fun.
Time for Steve Perry, Jonathan Cain, Ross Valory and Steve Smith to put together a new band, no more Neal Schon, the source of all Journey conflicts, no more drama, just AWESOME music and they get to pick their own guitarist, Ritchie Sambora maybe?, they will be AWESOME together!, hope they consider it! 👍🏻👍🏻
Seems to me we are closer to the root problem here. It’s very sad that Neil has gone for this cash grab and now alienated several band members that have gotten the band to the level they’re at now. The band’s legacy is being severely tarnished now and it’s very sad to watch.
I've been a fan of journey and schon since the 70's but it's pretty obvious that with all the problems that have cropped up in the last several years with journey there's been 1 constant in all of them..neil schon. Even the incomparable Gregg Rollie is now having problems with him.... wouldn't it be great if Cain, Pineda, Castronovo and Rollie all made a band without Schon just to see how good it would be.
Steve Smith is not the 'original drummer', he didn't get there until Steve Perry complained about Ainsley Dunbar, who was outspoken at times and the rivalry came to a head. One had to go and it wasn't going to be Perry. It's a rotten shame how it's all playing out now. Money is at the root of all of this, pettiness, bitterness and high minded rhetoric will destroy the entire band and perhaps that's what needs to happen.
They all are in the “drama” together. Drama makes money. Thank goodness Steve Perry is smarter than them all. Arnel may be sweet, but he plays the game, too. Rollie is a game player, too. I still listen to the music with Steve Perry as the lead singer. Thanks .
Steve Perry is not smarter, he really can’t tour and he initiated this mess back in the 80s when he pulled a fast one and had original member Ross Valory and Steve Smith fired for his own personal money reasons.
@@wallofrock6725 Schon and Cain fired Valory and Smith a second time. Neal and Jon are paranoid freaks. They are performing for money only. Duh? If you watch an interview, Steve Perry said if he could change or redo things he would have. At the time and moment it seemed okay. I think we all have done things we regret. Steve Perry had no financial dealings to make. He left Journey at its peak. They were making tons of money. Steve wrote or co-wrote at least 90% of Journey songs that Arnel is singing. Sure, I would want my cut. Many artists have sued for their cuts after they left their band. Steve does not stand alone.
It's really sad to see such an iconic band such as Journey "start to circle the drain" because of Neal Schon. He is, and always has been an "Ass Clown". It is because of him, and only him, that the lasting legacy of Journey will be forever destroyed. Hope the money is worth it for ya Neal!!
I’ve completely lost interest in them. Passed on seeing them when they came to my city. It’s a shame. One of the best continuing to tarnish their legacy with so much pettiness.
Journey is nothing more than just a tribute band now. I wouldn't go see them even if it was free,let alone pay an arm and a leg for an over-priced ticket.
Name your 3 favorite Journey songs...or even the first 3 Journey songs you can think of....they all have Steve Perry on lead vocals. Neal Schon? Gregg Rolie? They are legendary musicians but let's not kid ourselves. They are supporting characters in this story. The Journey we all know and love is Steve Perry's band. Without him...why bother?
I ain't saying Jonathan Cain is a bright spark here, cuz there's a whole other concern with him. But I'd say Neal is desperately grabbing onto his pension scheme, because the choices he's making, are all about him.
Sadly comes down to greed, money, control of band, etc. Speculate Neal Schon is getting quite desperate milking, profiteering from his legacy with Journey anyway possible, while not properly paying other band members. Such as the short reunion with legend & original founding member, Gregg Rolie. Releasing live recording without his consent. Guess it's getting more challenging, having to pay alimony to his ex wives. High taxes, cost of living in Marin, California. Currently on his fifth marriage.
The soap opera that is Journey somehow continues to get worse. It's mindboggling. The lawsuits, the backstabbing, the infighting, the bitterness, the bad blood. It just never ends.
Journey fans: what is your honest take on what has been going on with the band the last few years?
Very typical. Very sad as well. Any bands THAT BIG have issues. Neal is one of my very favorite guitarists and Ive hung with him yearsss back at NAMM. He was super fun but I also have heard Horror stories haha. Regardless- these guys are ICONS. Im always gonna love the music.
I think that Journey is going towards how The Beatles ended up: pissed off at each other and suing everyone.
Neal’s wife is a huge part of the problem
Keep the effing wives out of the business and put an adult in charge of everyone's social media. The remaining members are tarnishing their legacy nonstop and that has to stop.
bunch of children
Arnel is a sweetheart. I’ve met him. He also saved their asses and helped bring them back up into them public awareness, when they were at their lowest-yet they reward that with uncertainty and disrespect.
Word.
Since Schon and Cain want to continue touring they should be bending over backwards to keep Arnel happy.
They had the gold standard with Perry, and Arnel is the next best thing.
They won't find any one with the voices and stage presences of Perry and Pineda.
Most major acts aren't able to find a comparable replacement when they lose their lead singer. Journey lucked out in finding Pineda.
Having typed Perry & Pineda I now want them to tour together as duo.
He didn't save anyone. They were fine without him. Castronovo is a better singer and could have been just as good with him..
@@roarickshuDeen Castronovo way better singer than Pineda
Castronova has said that his voice could not do an entire concert, night after night. At this point, it seems that Arnel can also use the break that Castronova contributes because his vocal chords are increasingly strained, as well. Having both of them is what makes it work now. Still wish it was Steve Perry though, always, by far. I don't listen to or go to the clone concerts. They should have considered what Jeff Scott Soto could have brought to reliven the band, but they burned him, and he still took the high road on his response to what they did to him. Gregg Rolie probably should now distance himself, which is a shame. And Steve Perry may have had some personal issues that led him to become controlling, but that (especially since he publicly apologized and owned up to it and did so much to try to make up for his mistakes) seems like nothing in comparison to the embarrassing dump that Cain and Schon has created of Journey and its legacy now.
@@callielucas1197 Deen has never said such thing. He did a whole tour with Schon in the Journey through time thing for like 2 yrs as the main vocalist.
Gregg Rolie hanging onto his publishing was as very smart move on his part.
Steve Perry has his too
Rolie and Perry are the two smart ones. Schon has become such a douche. Him and his wife, trashy. 🤮
@@cassiehowder9782Steve Perry sold his rights to universal music group in 2012.
@@kikiandluca double check that. Steve recently said he owns the publishing rights to his songs.
Steve Perry ABSOLUTELY owns his music rights. And because Rolie owns his Journey rarely plays any of songs associated with him ( Feeling That Way, Anytime, etc.)
It really seems more and more like Neil is the primary instigator in all this crap.
I think it's his wife.
Yes. It’s the theme - everyone has gone after Neil. He is the problem. Greed
So is "Neal"
It's that Grifter he married. The one who crashed a White House party with her previous husband and, if I remember correctly, they got caught and kicked out. As soon as she bleeds him dry, she'll move onto the next one.
@@JoeChewBaca In my mind, thats still a Neil problem... Hes the one allowing her to do it
It's a shame when the legacy of great music gets tarnished in the name of greed.
For real... and the sad part is every one of them are already so rich that their grandchildrens grandchildren will never have to work... But apparently Neil just can't get enough. It's sad. They should be celebrating their history and their brotherhood... Instead they're bickering like a bunch of old blue haired bingo women.
@@Frankenberry Or just a bunch of old, stupid men.
@@Frankenberry Neal Schon donates a lot to the Democrats.
The way things are going for the DNC it looks like Neal will need to keep working to support his comrades. Lol
I’m a Journey fan from the Steve Perry days. It’s sad what’s going on with the band and that it’s no longer about the music. Clearly, Schon and his wife are trying to squeeze every last dime out of the “Journey” name. The band has been over-working Arnel for years. It takes a lot of money to live like a “Rock Star”! Isn’t that right Neal?
Plus all the alimony for 5? ex-wives?
We are seeing why Steve Perry said ‘goodbye’.
I am one of Greg rollie fans in the beginning!
@@336W😂😂😂😂😂
Hey! Be nice! Neal needs that money to keep up with his face lifts!
The ultimate huge hits that made Journey famous were written primarily but Cain & Perry! Agree with so many comments about greed by Schon. Sad to end the Journey legacy this way.
Neal is the source of every bit of drama that has followed this band !!
him and his wife are greedy scum
yes
Yep. All you need to do is look at who is the common denominator.
@@bradcrosier1332 You may want to take a good look at his wife too. Just google "Toxic" and her picture will pop up.
Team Rolle. He chose not to deceive the audience with what was obviously a shady cash grab.
Schon "The Real Slim Shady".
Agreed!
Steve Perry must be super happy to not be involved in this anymore and just enjoying his retirement
He's also cashing in with royalties.
There is so much drama that I truly don't care any more. Whenever there's a concert with Journey on the bill, you can't even keep track of who is going to be in the lineup. They've effectively destroyed their own legacy.
They are one step shy of being a cover band, much like Yes is now with only one legacy member left in the band (and no, I don't consider Geoff Downes a "legacy member"). Look at Foreigner at this point - ZERO original members!
Greg had a great band in the 90's "The Storm". He has been on so many albums through the years. He was and is a great player and singer.
Hell yeah.. saw them in ‘93..Kevin Chalfant was a great vocalist for them.
The Storm was excellent!
Ross Valory was part of that too (?) as I recall.
@@grahamperkins9542 yes he was and also Steve Smith was an original member then left the band.
Yes, I loved “The Storm”! Wish they would have stayed together. Got to see them open up for Peter Frampton in the early nineties, at a small venue in Cincinnati called Bogarts.
I think Schon would feud with his own shadow.
😅😂🤣😂
It has nothing to do with "feuding". It's about the fact that Schon see everyone involved with Journey as HIS employees.
Good one! I believe he would.
LOL
Journey ended in 1987. Steve Perry voice is not replaceable. I was blessed to have floor 2nd row center seats back in 1985. I wish that night would go on forever. It was amazing night I will not forget. But with Steve’s departure, it was no longer journey.
It seems to me the common person in all these disputes is Neal Schon. It looks like, and I might be wrong, that Neal is the jerk here. I hope whom ever has their head up the dark side, gets it pulled out before all is lost. What a shame that would be.
As a true Journey fan who owns every one of their albums with Steve Perry as the lead singer , I just haven't listened to journey with anyone else as their lead singer . I am just nostalgic when it comes to my rock n roll especially super bands like Journey . I was born in 1961 and I guess you could say I'm stuck in the 70s & 80s as far as my tastes go .
I'm like you. I was born in the 50's and Journey is my # 1 Band. I haven't listened to them since Steve left. He's the "ICONIC", Voice of Journey. I NEVER new what happened within the band to start this, do you?😢
I’m with you Busdathead.
Can’t fault you buddy👌👏
There’s (a few in this band )…who Still have massive egos in the band,no wonder there’s problems within the band,perry & Rollie done made the perfect decision to leave,I’ve seen them twice with Pineda,still a good band,but not the same go in them,I can remember them smiling on stage,not the twice I seen them,problems..problems.
Right on!.. Mass respect for you, I'm the same way..... I never went to see them "live" again after Perry left
I would love to see Steve Perry, Ross Valory, Stave Smith, Gregg Rollie, and throw in somebody like Billy Squire on lead guitar! I feel sorry for Arnel Pineda, he seems like a great guy!
Billy Squire is not a lead guitar player. Maybe a million other people though. Billy Squire no. He’s also been gone since the pink shirt incident. I guess maybe you could ruin Journey’s reputation more though…
Steve Perry wouldn't last for an entire set
It would be hard to ruin their reputation much more!
No Billy Squire. Alli see is that icky video with him dancing around in short shorts!!!! Can't see him doing Journey.....lol
@mhsandifer so you are his doctor? Just wondering.
I have said it before and I'll say it again - at this point, I would much rather see Gregg Rolie, Ross Valory, Steve Smith and Steve Perry get together again on a new project, any guitar player will do, and maybe Perry can find a song where he and Arnel can sing a duet together, it would be a massive seller, Perry has much more clout than Schon anyway at this point.
I have same sentiment
The last person Rolie would ever work with again is Perry.
@@jamesrudd8705 just a guess? I always thought to lie preferred that jazz vibe. Didn’t realize he’d would work with Steve again. 👍
@@jeffreykinney635
Rolie can't stand Perry.
@@jamesrudd8705 got it. I thought so. What a cluster
To me, the trouble maker here is "Mrs. Schon". There was never any legal battles or bickering until she came along. She was not part of the original group with Gregg and Steve and she runs around calling them evil names and trying to take away their copyright and trademark rights because she is greedy, feeling like Neal deserves everything just because he doesn't know how to manage his money. He always needs to be on the road because that's where the $$$ is. That's why he needed Steve to get his surgery....money! As Steve said, "This is not a band decision". Unfortunately, to the others, it was a cash decision. Steve wasn't physically able to it. As a huge fan, it pisses me off. I wish little miss greedy would get her nose out of the band's business, old and new, and keep her snotty nose out of it. That's my POV.
Even before the current wife, Schon has always seen anyone involved with Journey as HIS employees.
Neal is the problem.
Quick Note: Technically, Prairie Prince was Journey's original drummer 1973-1974 (prior to recording of their first major label release) with Aynsley Dunbar filling the drummer slot from 1974 -1978 (albums/ tours for Journey, Look Into The Future, Next and Infinity). Steve Smith didn't join Journey until October 1978.
Prairie Prince factors-in only for ancient history since he never recorded with the band. Aynsley Dunbar is officially Journey's first drummer, not Steve Smith as incorrectly stated here.
@@dislikesquare8749 I mentioned Prairie Prince because he played with the band for two years, as I mentioned in my post, prior to them recording their first album. Yes, Aynsley Dunbar was the first drummer that played for the band when they started recording and releasing albums. I was covering my bases as far as "original" Journey drummers are concerned. Kinda like Pete Best was technically The Beatles' first drummer but Ringo is the one on the throne when they got their contract and started recording. I was trying to be thorough.
This dude is not doing his homework, Neal Shown?? These guys are acting like little Barbie’s, it’s always about $$$, disgusting, good for Perry checking out of his lawsuit. Is Arnel offended that Rollie was going to join?? WTF
@@RCullis47 Prairie Prince was indeed the original drummer. End conversation.
Correct. Steve Smith had been with Montrose prior to joining Journey.
I find it sad that one of the most successful bands in history are ending on such a disgraceful note. These are all old men that are all very wealthy and to ruin their legacy by going out fighting over money and egos is just beyond belief. The biggest names involved have more money than they could spend in five lifetimes. Why let your last years be about drama instead of letting the music speak for itself and celebrating their collective talents? Money is not the problem. The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.
Neal Schon’s greed has ruined this band
💯
His fifth wedding was pay-per-view.
@@cedarbay3994 Michaele Salahi is a real piece of work. Total famehoar.
Neal Schon’s WIFE the greedy b***ch who is pulling his strings. They are two peas in a pod…greedy, manipulative & narcissistic! Very sad indeed.
His current wife isn't helping matters.
Arnel is awesome. Saved that band imo. They're still able to fill venues with him so, to even possibly get rid of him at this point is absurd. Just dumb-ass rumors like most other things.
The only talent this Lil 5 ft. man (Arnel) has is impersonating, imitating and singing all STEVE PERRY old hits songs. 🤣😆🤣🤣This little man will NEVER be a true, multi-talented (The voice/Hits songs writer) as Steve Perry or Mariah Carey in his lifetime. I'm just going to keep it real. This is why we NEVER heard Arnel's original hits song playing on the radio or any new material on TH-cam.
This is quite a 50th anniversary for the band! Honestly, every member old and new should all get into a big room together and work things out once and for all. Then, if successful, go out and do one massive farewell tour together for us fans. Afterwards, retire, have closure, and go enjoy life again.
Thank You I AGREE and that would be one of the GREATEST REUNION TOURS ever.
Ain't going to happen and it shouldn't happen.
Not even a possibility. Schon sees himself as THE word on all things Journey. There is ZERO chance he'd ever allow such a thing to happen. Schon considers everyone involved with the band as HIS employees.
Why should they have to retire? they still have the energy to give great shows! they just have to settle their differences and keep on rocking for a few more years....
I feel bad for Arnel Pineda. he's done a fine job replacing Steve Perry.. It's obvious that he's just a hired gun and Neil would fire him first chance he gets..
Arnel seems like a great guy.
Im proud of him for speaking up! He’s kept cool for YEARS! He’s Right
Based on what Arnel said I don't think he even understands what's going on. How does what's going on with the keyboard players have anything to do with him? He kind of came out of no where with what he said, doesn't really make any sense actually.
Arnel said he doesn’t care if he gets fired. I would not feel bad for him he has made a ton of money I’m sure he could quit now and live comfortably. For what it’s worth they would be screwed without Arnel the other guys they had after Steve were not that good compared to Arnel if he quits it’s over till they get a new guy, he learns everything and all that or they get one of the old singers which I wouldn’t do unless it was Perry. It could be the end of the band if he left I mean Cain is 73 he might not want to go through it all again.
Arnel is a very good singer, but he's NO replacement for Steve Perry.
Why they turning on Arnell ? Wtf..he saved their ass..and hes great.. wow..
Anel era um cover do Steve Perry, ele fazia shows em Filipinas, um amigo do Neal Schon disse "ouvi um cara que imita o Perry, fechei os olhos parece o próprio Perry cantando" aff!! até parece que usaram o Pineda..
Man... Neal Schon is a hell of a musician, but is there anybody left who he hasn't burned bridges with?? wth
Schon definitely doing everything he can, to be hatred by everyone.
And his wife too!
@@paulwojnilowicz5265Yoko Ono 2.0
Seems Steve Perry had more foresight into the dynamics of the band than many people give him credit for. Instead, he was ostracized by many for not staying with the band, despite his hip injury. The in-fighting was happening even back in the Perry years. Pineda has paid his dues and is worth more than this. He should go his own way....maybe he and Perry can do something together. They're the only sane ones....and this coming from someone whose favorite band of all time is Journey AND I give mad respect to Neal and Gregg (and Herbie) for starting Journey, but it's simply becoming a joke now. Never thought I'd say that.
Arnel the Karaoke singer.....
Would definitely buy a copy of Steve singing withe the other Steve and Arnel doing after all these years! That song , sung by all three would sell!!!
@@HisHimmer Arnel was the reason Journey are where they are, After Steve left they were nothing for while?? Without a singer...a band is just a group of musicians? ANYONE can play a guitar or drums??
It's very heartbreaking to see one of the greatest, most talented bands ever come to this. Their legacy will always have the music but now will be tarnished by this. 😢
The GREAT Ansley Dunbar, was Journey's original drummer. Rollie has a great singing style.
Ansley was great. But Steve Smith is the god
Perry Prince was the original drummer. He left before their first album
@@phillipmarlowe0525 Prairie Prince - yes early drummer - weird name and spelling (I looked it up it is so hard). He went with The Tubes later, and I got to see him with Todd Rundgren once. Insane.
@@phillipmarlowe0525 I did not know Prairie played with the pre album version of Journey. He is another great drummer. Thanks.
@@fredfox3851
You are welcome. Journey original line up:
Neal Schon - Guitar and vocals
Gregg Rollie -keyboards and vocals
Ross Valory - bass
George Tickner- rhythm guitar
Prairie Prince - drums.
The last few years have been rough for the band in general with all the lawsuits and management issues surrounding them, but no matter what happens from here on out I will still like the music that they created. May you rest in peace Dr. George Tickner knowing that you helped create a band that would truly rock on this long.
Also rest in peace Herbie Herbert! A man that kept Neil in his place!
@@paulwojnilowicz5265 And Neil's. vision of what he thought the band could become because when he brought in Steve Perry that changed everything and they became very famous almost overnight. He did do the band a great favor in that regard, although it did see the replacement of Dunbar as their drummer because I couldn't understand why they would replace him.
@@dangroat4438 I can, Dunbar replaced himself, like he did with another band he was in, he liked variety, and change kept the music fresh, like Fleetwood Mac! Aw, the music of my childhood! I still listen to a lot of the same bands, with a little new stuff!
journey is more a corporation at this point than an actual band
Yep, endless lawsuits.
So.
They had their day. They’ve tried to keep it alive. I feel the best lineup was during the Rolie/Perry years. They were still great when Cain joined. Raised on Radio was good. I feel it would’ve been better had they not given Smtih and Valory the boot. Steve Augeri was very good, IMHO. A very decent Perry soundalike. But honestly, they should’ve hung it up after Trial By Fire. Too much drama and BS. Time to call it done.
I agree 💯. Raised on Radio was one of my favorites.
To any rash of problems, always look at the common denominator...
(All in the last few years)
Neal Schon vs Steve Smith
Neal Schon vs Ross Valory
Neal Schon vs Steve Perry
Neal Schon vs John Cain
Neal Schon vs Greg Rollie
All involving money.
Listen, I've been Journey's biggest fan since i was 12yo (1978), Neal Schon's guitar playing is severely under rated, but Schon as a person needs to get his personal financial affairs under control before he ruins Journey's legacy.
Was ruined a long time ago with all their childish behavior. Egos running wild...
I'm sure Jonathan Cain is relieved for the world to learn he was not at the center of being the one difficult to work with. Some people just do what is best for them and don't care all that much about everyone else when they want to live the rock & roll life style.
Cain isn't mr. nice guy either. He's the one that's blocked Rollie from returning and even tried to block him from being at the RnR HOF. Not to mention when he got the Journey gig, at Rollie's recommendation he then strong armed Herbie Herbert "after" already agreeing to join by threatening to leave if he didn't get his wife a record deal.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Exactly
Neal just gives off those vibes, especially since they first did open arms live and he showed his hypocrisy. Jonathan seems much more down to earth
I bought the Journey Through Time CD/DVD. It's amazing with so many great songs that Journey never will play Live again, I would much rather pay to this group then seeing Journey who play the same songs over and over, Neal really messed this one up so sad he's an A hole.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle His wife is Psycho also, Cains wife is Psycho also, the whole band is now even more a mess.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Yeah she's busy ripping off the people who come to her church.
I love Journey from around 1981. I am also a huge Rush fan. One huge difference between the two bands is that Rush were always friends with each other and split the money equally among band members from the beginning to the end. Journey has been nothing but a shit storm of fighting, changing members, and accusing each other of every thing under the sun. Clearly its amazing how they can get on stage with each other when they Clearly hate one another......damn shame.
Because Schon keeps reminding everyone it's his band and he can't stand not to be able to be controlling the band Arnel Pineda and Jonathan Cain should just jump ship before Captain Schon sinks the entire thing
@aprilgosa5779 you are right. Being a leader is one thing, but treating the other guys like employees is another. A band is supposed to be a team. You are right, he is sinking them
What's best for all of the band members, whats best for the music and the fans is that they settle their differences and go out an anniversary tour with everyone.
All of these issues have one common denominator- Neil. But Neil doesn't care about anything more than his ego.
Just imagine a tour of everyone together and enjoying playing music together.
NEAL SCHON HAS ALWAYS BEEN FULL OF DRAMA
I swear Journey, Kiss & Motley Crue are three bands that I would be fine if we never hear any of the members speak again. EVERY EFFIN DAY it's one thing or another 😂
Arnel was an absolute Godsend to Journey and he is why the band toured and brought their legendary sound touring for over a decade
The only talent this Lil 5 ft. man (Arnel) has is impersonating, imitating and singing all STEVE PERRY old hits songs. 🤣😆🤣🤣This little man will NEVER be a true, multi-talented (The voice/Hits songs writer) as Steve Perry or Mariah Carey in his lifetime. I'm just going to keep it real. This is why we NEVER heard Arnel's original hits song playing on the radio or any new material on TH-cam.
@2:42 You mention Journey's original drummer Steve Smith?? Steve Smith wasn't the original drummer!! Nothing worse than a reporter who can't get it right. Aynsley Dunbar was Journey's original drummer on their first 4 albums up to Infinity.
I totally do agree with you man on that one being a professional drummer myself and of course you are 100% correct and as far as this video, same old shit different day and the only thing really current in this one is talking about Gregg Rollie. Everything else is the same BS
Their original drummer was actually Prairie Prince.
@@synthonaplinth5980 technically true, but this was before their first studio album, where most fans of any band usually call the original line up 😅
@@Ivan_The_Random_Guy Hence why I said 'original drummer'. 😉
Huge respect for Gregg Rolie! Sad to see some of these legacy bands that are fighting over money. At some point, it stopped being about the music for some people.
Why would you feel sorry for Arnel?
He got great benefit from imitating Steve Perry and made some money and got famous. There's nothing to feel sorry about.
@@silat13 Who said anything about feeling sorry for Arnel?
Steve Perry said please dont break the stone of journey exactly wat has happened
Deen Castrnovo is a total vocal bad ass. Everything he sings sounds awesome. Those who keep holding onto Steve Perry are just wasting their energy. There is no amount of money that can be paid for Steve to ever work with that ego maniac midget Neil Schon. I’m a big Journey fan but sadly I wouldn’t waste another dollar on this drama filled band. I will also add that while Greg Rollie is a legend. His time has come and gone with Journey
Jonathan Cain is also a legend.
Steve will never come back. Among reasons, he can't do it anymore. They'd have to change the song keys more than a half step, and it would sound terrible and unrecognizable from what fans know. The window of a reunion has long passed. They shouldn't have tossed him when they did though, and waited for him to recover.
@@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 I agree with you about Steve Perry, not returning to Journey
Steve Perry would rather put his own arm down his throat and rip his vocal cords out, as well as his spleen and kidneys....before he would ever do anything with Journey again!!! Neal Schon is an egomaniac. If I were Arnel..I would walk. Let them get on the best way they can? Let Cain and Schon rip each others heads off. TOXIC
Neal’s on a power trip and won’t stop,he doesn’t make the band by himself,I say they get rid of him and continue with Valory and Smith back in
Ansley Dunbar was the original drummer to record with the original band. Saw them a few times with him. I’m a Guitar fan so I love old Journey
It sounds like this is over. We thank them for their longevity and their incredible library of music. They will never be forgotten. I thank them for staying together as long as they have. Usually incredibly talented bands are broken up shortly by ego's. But the one's in the hall of fame seem to not let this destroy their dream or vision. We know who they are.
Hmmm...take a look at Neal Schon's history regarding greed and ego and also examine the history of his wife regarding greed and shenanigans and you'll have all the answers.
Such a sad state of affairs of a legendary band.
The common issue in ALL of these feuds is Neil Schon. He’s an egomaniac and can’t get along with anyone.
Money and greed is behind it all. Maybe certain members need to live within their means.
ARNEL (keep singing ) fan of your works .We Love how you are using the scales .AMAZING .
This story has so many twists and turns, I can’t keep up.
I Love 💕 Journey, I don't even know What Happened, and how they Got here.
Clearly the one constant in every issue with this band and it’s members is Schon. It’s quite evident he is the problem.
And folks wonder why Perry will not sing with them anymore.....I am and was a huge journey fan....Funny there is a Old saying if there is a problem find the constant source....every time some happens Neal is at the Center....Perry said in a interview a few years back with CBS about a reunion with journey....he said he believes in moving forward....and to him that would be a step back...Neal is still Living in the Past Money Hungry ....playing all the old Hits ...needs the Money to keep his young wife happy and Pay for his Plastic Surgery...they have just become a Journey Tribute Band to themselves I truly hate to see this in such a Iconic Band...that had so much talent......I can not blame Steve and Greg to distance them selves from all the crap being tossed around now.....truly a Shame....
It's well past time to pull the plug! Has anyone else noticed that all the problems with Journey seem to be traced back to Neal Schon? Journey was started by/for Neal as a spin-off of his guitar stardom in Santana leaving that band at 18 years old. Journey was originally a prog band with Neal as the free-spirited guitarist. But that wasn't a formula for commercial success. As others have stated, the hits started coming as Jonathan and Perry later joined and began to co-write together. Obviously, Neal's guitar playing was amazing throughout but the formula for their success was Jonathan's beautiful piano melodies and the once in a generation voice and lyrics of Steve Perry! I don't think Neal has ever really come to terms with that and still considers the band as his project. Well...he started it, now it sounds like he's doing a hell of a job, killing it! Well done Neal! 👏
the greediness of Mr. and Mrs. Schon is bringing the JOURNEY's downfall.
I love Deen, Arnel and Jonathan.
Sure does sound like a “Yoko” problem to me
It’s a shame the greed has corrupted a few of them. They should be thankful for what they have contributed to music overall and how their music is legendary throughout generations. Their music will live on beyond their graves as many legends do. The Beatles, Elvis, John Lennon, etc
"Schon and his wife operate a joint facebook account" - This is all we need to know.
Anyone else feel like Journey has become the Neal Schon & Friends Band? Every controversy with this band seems to center around Primadonna Neal-with Perry, Smith, Valory, Cain, and now Rollie.
Well, Herbie DID form the band around Neal. Mind you, back then it was a much different band...
These senior citizens need to just chill out already wasting what’s left of their life fighting over something they love.
So true....
Its Neal’s band but Neal is the problem. Thise guys were broke until Perry came into the picture. 99.9% of whatvthey play is Perry era songs. He got Greg in but screwed him too as you can see. Herbie said it best, Neal is not the brightest bulb in the bunch. He spends like he’s rich, he gets a new guitar every day - literally, his wife jas to gonto the beauty every day Racks up the credit card and blames Cain….so lets see. He has a problem with everybody, Steve sues him, Valory and Smith get thrown out and sue him too, Greg now sues him. Arnel is fed up. Way to go Neal.
Band is done man...even Arnel knows it
With Rock Bands you take what you can get while the magic lasts. The more brilliant and talented they are the shorter they last. Buffalo Springfield is a good example. We were spoiled by the Beatles, The Stones, CSNY and others. Many of these bands were filled with talented solo artists that wanted that future.
Schon’s wife is doing her best Sharon Osborne imitation.
Why is Mrs Schon an integral part of these proceedings?! Journey’s music isn’t center stage anymore
Journeys Original drummer was Prairie Prince
Pink Floyd, Van Halen, the Beatles, Journey, KISS, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, the list goes on. Internal band strife and discord (which I've witnessed and been involved in MANY times having been in about a dozen bands) , are a VERY common thing. Bands are VERY much like a marriage, and sometimes marriages go bad. Finger pointing, public sniping, "scenes and incidents occurring", all part of the process. NO ONE--is ever completely guilty, and no one is ever completely innocent. 99.99% of the time, EVERYONE in the group tends to act, and react poorly. It may sometimes only take the actions of one to kickstart the turmoil, but inevitably everyone ends up contributing their fair share of bad behavior. That's just how it is. The best example I can give is this, though I'm sure some will disagree, as I'm also fairly confident that those who do disagree, are disagreeing as a FAN, and not as a musician or band member. """Everything that DLR said about Edward Van Halen is TRUE. Everything that EVH said about DLR, IS ALSO TRUE."""" Everything Roget Waters accuses David Gilmour of is TRUE. Everything David Gilmour says about Roger Waters "oppressive control" and arrogance is ALSO TRUE. Welcome to rock 'n' roll. Welcome to the "bidness". There is no doubt in my mind, that Neil Schon is guilty of being petty, and greedy. There is also no doubt in my mind that he's RIGHT, a good portion of the time. Same can be said for the rest of the guys, with the possible exception of Gregg Rolie, who's been out of the Journey picture for a long time, and is understandably cautious of getting into the middle of a bitter divorce that's not of his making. Everyone should remember though, Journey had already been conceived by Neal Schon, and Gregg Rolie BEFORE they left Santana in '72, and Neal is the only founding member whose never left the band. Saying that Neal Schon doesn't have cause, to feel about Journey the way he does, is ABSURD, in the same way that saying EVH didn't have the right to feel the way he did about the band that BORE HIS NAME. Journey would have no legacy AT ALL without Neal Schon. Period. The sad part is Gregg being put of by all this bickering.
Here's the thing... Schon NEVER tried to get Greg back in the band until Jonathon decided he wasn't going to let Neil just fleece everybody... He tries to treat Journey like it's his solo project. IN MY OPINION... The only reason that Neil ever wanted Greg back in the band was to try to get at Jonathon and push him out. They were already having issues. Neil is undoubtedly an important member, being a founder , etc. HOWEVER... When it comes to songwriting, and their BIGGEST hits, Jonathon is JUST as important... ALL those big time singles back in the day... Look at the songwriting credits... Most of them were primarily written by Jonathon and Steve Perry. He's a BIG part of the songwriting history of the band. He's every bit as important as any member of the band as such, and Neil just wants to treat him like a hired hand... Like he's freakin' Arnel or some shit.
Exactly. If you read the song credits of the most loved era of Journey's history, Jonathan Cain comes out on top. He made the band go from moderately popular to super stars over night.
@@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 Absolutely... and he's completely undervalued because he's not an "original" member of the band. No shade at Greg, he's great in his own right, but Jonathon Cain is all that plus a master song writer. Neil was a prodigy, and he's an iconic guitarist, no doubt about it. He needs to quit trying to be "the man" and stop letting his New Age Yoko Ono stick her nose in the business and just focus on playing his guitar and writing great solos. Arnel does a great job, but I'm just not interested all that much without Steve Perry. Kinda starting to understand why he doesn't want anything to do with it anymore. Kinda seems like Greg learned that pretty quick too.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Perry absolutely took them to a higher level, and when him and Cain got together and started writing songs??? THATS when they shot to the moon. Jonathon Cain is COMPLETELY undervalued. What he brings to that band lyrically, and melodically, combined with Steve Perry's ability to sing those melodies so smooth and powerfully, thats what made that band the Global Powerhouse that it is today.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle The saddest thing is, Rollie is actually a good dude... and he's a good musician... but, he's just been kinda used as a pawn in this whole thing to try to take a jab at Cain and get him out of the way. Luckily, He saw what was up and walked off and hired a lawyer. If they can't quit bickering like a bunch of high school girls, and just do the damn thing.. its over. They're not getting any younger.
@@Frankenberry Well said.
Sometimes I wonder what Journey would've sounded like had Rolie stayed in the band?
But, for my part, I think Schon's wife may be part of the problem. But, that's just my own speculation. Maybe I'm just refuse to believe that Schon would knowingly and willfully try to screw over his friend of more than 50 years. But, I can't discount the fact that money can have a terrible effect on people, especially friendships.
The truth is, we just don't know what is really going on. There's certainly quite a bit of juicy and seductive speculation floating about, including what I've said here. Then again, speculation is the result when there is an absence of actual facts and information.
Many bands have gone through similar circumstances but they kept their laundry off the clothes line....it sours many from even listening to Journey because it's hard to get past people who seem to be more ungrateful than thankful, less mercy and more rash judgements. People aren't interested in soiled diapers that some refuse to change....my advice to Neal and Jonathan...grow up.
Neal has gotten even more greedy since getting married to Michaela.
None of this started until after Herbie died. Herbie created Journey not Neal Schon
Many of us have long been sick of this childish drama. The problem is Neal and his floozie wife…
While Steve Smith was a member of the classic Escape lineup, he was not an original member.
Neal being the common denominator to all this drama is not a good sign from him....or perhaps his significant other?
This is a result of what happens when some bands stay together for too long. It hasn’t been about the music for many years. It’s about financing a lifestyle. It also demonstrates what happens when wives get involved. Women ruin anything fun.
Time for Steve Perry, Jonathan Cain, Ross Valory and Steve Smith to put together a new band, no more Neal Schon, the source of all Journey conflicts, no more drama, just AWESOME music and they get to pick their own guitarist, Ritchie Sambora maybe?, they will be AWESOME together!, hope they consider it! 👍🏻👍🏻
Seems to me we are closer to the root problem here. It’s very sad that Neil has gone for this cash grab and now alienated several band members that have gotten the band to the level they’re at now. The band’s legacy is being severely tarnished now and it’s very sad to watch.
I've been a fan of journey and schon since the 70's but it's pretty obvious that with all the problems that have cropped up in the last several years with journey there's been 1 constant in all of them..neil schon. Even the incomparable Gregg Rollie is now having problems with him.... wouldn't it be great if Cain, Pineda, Castronovo and Rollie all made a band without Schon just to see how good it would be.
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Steve Smith is not the 'original drummer', he didn't get there until Steve Perry complained about Ainsley Dunbar, who was outspoken at times and the rivalry came to a head. One had to go and it wasn't going to be Perry. It's a rotten shame how it's all playing out now. Money is at the root of all of this, pettiness, bitterness and high minded rhetoric will destroy the entire band and perhaps that's what needs to happen.
Who wrote the rock anthem wheel in the sky? DAVID ROSS VALORY AND YES HE SHOULD JOIN THEM ON THE 50TH. Anniversary TOUR!
One of their best songs! Love it!!
Actually that was written by Ross' then wife, Diane. Singer Robert Fleischman finished the lyrics.
Source: 'Time 3' box set
They all are in the “drama” together. Drama makes money. Thank goodness Steve Perry is smarter than them all. Arnel may be sweet, but he plays the game, too. Rollie is a game player, too. I still listen to the music with Steve Perry as the lead singer. Thanks .
Steve Perry is not smarter, he really can’t tour and he initiated this mess back in the 80s when he pulled a fast one and had original member Ross Valory and Steve Smith fired for his own personal money reasons.
@@wallofrock6725 Schon and Cain fired Valory and Smith a second time. Neal and Jon are paranoid freaks. They are performing for money only. Duh? If you watch an interview, Steve Perry said if he could change or redo things he would have. At the time and moment it seemed okay. I think we all have done things we regret. Steve Perry had no financial dealings to make. He left Journey at its peak. They were making tons of money. Steve wrote or co-wrote at least 90% of Journey songs that Arnel is singing. Sure, I would want my cut. Many artists have sued for their cuts after they left their band. Steve does not stand alone.
I will always be a fan of Neal Shon’s guitar work/writing, but I’ve soured on his attitude towards all the other members.
They make so much goddamn money that many in the band can't say no to new tours despite what are clearly internal difficulties.
It's really sad to see such an iconic band such as Journey "start to circle the drain" because of Neal Schon. He is, and always has been an "Ass Clown". It is because of him, and only him, that the lasting legacy of Journey will be forever destroyed. Hope the money is worth it for ya Neal!!
I’ve completely lost interest in them. Passed on seeing them when they came to my city. It’s a shame. One of the best continuing to tarnish their legacy with so much pettiness.
Journey ended in 1987 it's been a cover band ever since.
Journey is nothing more than just a tribute band now.
I wouldn't go see them even if it was free,let alone pay an arm and a leg for an over-priced ticket.
Name your 3 favorite Journey songs...or even the first 3 Journey songs you can think of....they all have Steve Perry on lead vocals. Neal Schon? Gregg Rolie? They are legendary musicians but let's not kid ourselves. They are supporting characters in this story. The Journey we all know and love is Steve Perry's band. Without him...why bother?
I'm with you Bro. Rollie was Scared of Perry.....rightly so.
I ain't saying Jonathan Cain is a bright spark here, cuz there's a whole other concern with him. But I'd say Neal is desperately grabbing onto his pension scheme, because the choices he's making, are all about him.
This makes me want to get drunk and sleep on the hood of my car
Sadly comes down to greed, money, control of band, etc. Speculate Neal Schon is getting quite desperate milking, profiteering from his legacy with Journey anyway possible, while not properly paying other band members. Such as the short reunion with legend & original founding member, Gregg Rolie. Releasing live recording without his consent. Guess it's getting more challenging, having to pay alimony to his ex wives. High taxes, cost of living in Marin, California. Currently on his fifth marriage.
rollie was on SIX journey albums!!!!
The soap opera that is Journey somehow continues to get worse. It's mindboggling. The lawsuits, the backstabbing, the infighting, the bitterness, the bad blood. It just never ends.
I don’t consider any band without Steve Perry to be Jurnee, so they been misleading fans ever since he left in my opinion
Greg Rolie has the sexiest and best voice in rock n roll!! 😊 ❤