Dude should've interogated the penguin at the water plant or whatever rather than cause that stupid chase. All those innocents on that interstate could've been save if Batman was smart enough to not provoke the chase.
The best Batman was Nolans. It showed how Batman learned to fight, was basically a ninja, used gadgets and deception to win his fights. He also showed that Batman was a man and could be killed, could be injured, was not invincible.
To be fair in The Dark Knight trilogy Batman probably kills dozens of people in car chases too. Never forget how he almost blew up those two kids in the underpass lol
@Taskicore Except watching those scenes again, Batman in DK trilogy actually has pretty minimal collateral, and not much visible deaths in chases where Batman is involved. The only notable and visible death being the crashes helicopter in Dark Knight. Otherwise both the police and bats are smart and there's no civilian casualties. In comparison, Patt bat literally ramps through an exploding vehicle caused by him chasing Penguin down a busy highway, putting innocents at risk, and killing a whole Lotta people.
Why nobody is talking about how bad detective he and never solved anything related to the crime at hand other than couple of riddles at the beginning of the movie.
Thank you! They made the worlds greatest detective the worlds biggest dork in a bat suit…. Alfred solving riddles? Never… the joker spelling it all out in a deleted scene because Batman doesn’t get it? GTFO… they made Batman and inept idiot… it makes no sense!
@@martinarnsdale8662 Its pointless to make these points. Because when you do,fans will just tell you "its only his second year as batman,he will get better". Thats literally the excuse for every problem anybody has with this characterization of Batman. And who knows,maybe thats a very fair statement. But early Batman stinks,and we want our real Batman. Batman getting some help is fine. But I literally don't remember a moment where he showed he was smarter than everyone else,or thinking steps ahead. Batman diffusing the bomb would have been alot cooler than standing there like an idiot as it blew up in his face.
Wdym? He solved a ton. He came to the answer for about everything except Falcone being the rat. Batman has always had help from Alfred, but he didn't even ask. Alfred just did it to try and connect with him. He took avenues of investigation that were clever. And don't start with the, "He doesnt know Spanish!" Yes he does. He knew rata alada meant rat with wings without Alfred telling him, which means he knows Spanish. He was a great detective.
It's not even close to being a masterpiece. Time should tell the tale with this one. When the hype has died down, people will be able to see it clearly as a mess of a movie. Riddler was a hodgepodge of more well crafted villains from other movies, badly acted, with motivations that were all over the place. Scenes like the recording of Selina's Russian friend went on WAY too long, which brings up the issue of run time. Chinatown is just over two hours. A Batman movie doesn't need to be 3 hours, especially with scenes like the arena where he hangs off the jumbotron TWICE. Who approved the final cut? Then he and Catwoman drive off into the sunset, separately, in shots that went on so long I was expecting something more to happen other than them just parting ways. Why did we need to spend so much time watching this shit? Get a real editor in there, Jesus. Also, this was supposed to be Batman's detective coming out party, and aside from some gadgets and solving riddles he wasn't really much of a detective. What an absolute train wreck
My main problem is that Batman and Gordon didn't investigate the angle of where the photo of the Mayor leaving the club shot from. They could have done that and raided the riddler's apartment. It's just a bad screen play.
Well I mean if the photo was zoomed in or edited in any way, then the photos angle becomes irrelevant. Also, they have no reason to suspect that the place riddler took the photo has anything to do with… anything. Why would they think the riddler lives right next to the iceberg lounge?
@zoravarsandhu8296 But it could mean the Riddler has been around that play spying on Falcon and other people. They could come there to see any clue left behind.
Tbh I think Matt Reeves wanted to leave that assumption up to the audience. Exposing the Batman wouldn't really make since for the Riddler to do in this movie.
@@Ashadowtotheworld The guy who made this video got pretty much everything wrong that he criticized. It’s like he went into the movie having already deciding he hated it and bitched so hard that he only picked up like 30% of what actually happened in each scene. Such a bad criticism video.
I thought it was a GARBAGE film. Slow, overly indulgent. Horrible portrayal by robert Pattinson in bruce wayne. Dull, dreary characters . The nolan series is miles better. This batman has Zero re-watchability
I hate to say this. But I think I would rather watch BATMAN AND ROBIN (1997). I saw this 2022 film in WALMART in the $5. bin. And I said to myself: "I don't think so." I admit to having a weakness for BATMAN BEGINS (2005). That was a case of "well, not what I was expecting, but 2nds please." Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, and Liam Neeson really delivered on that one!
@@elitecombine5373 no it was not garbage it was just playing it safe kreping the realism. they jst mad its not an action packed silly comic book movie like the nolan series. The “dull” characters were mostly bruce wayne but other than that the acting was amazing just not full of energy like marvel movies and thats fine.
Bats hasn't developed his Bruce Wayne billionaire playboy persona yet. He doesn't want to, doesn't see why. He thinks his only way to atone for his parents is being batman crime fighter. The end of the movie sets up bats being more than jst a guy in a mask, finally seeing a use to the existence of Bruce Wayne.
In the comics Batman always fight stealth unless necessary always hides in shadow that is why he is scary and calculative.. This Batinson Batman is so reckless and stupid everything is so over the top.. His face is bombproof and bullet proof.. He never prevented anyone from harm basically he just looked stupid and brooding at the same time.
@@anybeans youngest batman my arse there’s literally an animated movie titled BATMAN YEAR ONE and he’s not clueless in that movie lmfao. He fight pretty good, he uses stealth and gadgets most of the time, he only fucked up because an old lady almost git hit by a bus and he decided to save her and lost his way out and trapped inside an old building and ambushed by the police. And what excuses do you have on The Batman having an adamantium armor in his second year while the animated year one batman got gunshot easily in the foot cause his suit is still early version. Oh right bruce on the animated year one movie also smart enough to put playboy richman persona whenever he needs to appear in front of public
Dude! I said the SAME THING! People were Massively overhyping this movie, and my cousin was the one that told me it was better than *The Dark Knight* , and after I got out the movie theater, i wanted to punch him in the jaw for Blasphemy! Not only are the points you brought up all great, but the acting wasn’t that great, like, anyone in this universe could tell Bruce was Batman. He HAS THE SAME EXPRESSION THE WHOLE TIME! Catwoman and Gordon didn’t really blow me away in terms of acting, in fact, it was just, “Good Enough” at best. The only standout was The Penguin, now that was Great acting by Collin. Movie was way too long, me & a few of the friends I took even started falling asleep at different parts because it kept dragging on
For the same reason James Cameron's Titanic was so popular and made so much money. The Bullshit Love triangle and The female allure of Leo De Caprio at the time. (I actually heard a few times from Women. Leo is dreamy.) This time it was Pattinson's Second Twilight. He was there so I guess Women were going to see him (I know. WTF?) And Men for the Batmobile. Right, Dom Toretto wants his MOPAR back already.
I stopped watching as soon as I realized how beta all the males in the movie r. Batman looking scrawny and emo, riddler a frail skinny dude, even the bouncers twins look like they r just fresh out of college. I bet the jokers not gonna be much diff. Whrs all the men?
This movie was straight up boring. You really have to push your self to be intrigued in the plot. And even if you do you find out his entire “investigation” of the Riddler was for nothing. The Riddler literally outsmarted the Midman.
And too dark. Forced to increase brightness. The plot is quite predictable if u read the comics. Only a matter of deliverance. Just a retelling of a what if story with same characters but some different nuances. U get tired of it after sometime
In the club he got shot in the back by a shotgun, but in that final fight he got knocked out completely by one shotgun. The plot armor is the worst part for me, they were lazy with the fight scenes, they just made Batman walk through bullets.
Exactly,batman is human and should have stakes. Obviously he dodges bullets and survives falls he shouldn't be able to. But I appreciate when gunfire erupts there are stakes for him that don't exist for Superman,or more powerful characters in the DC universe. Having him be bulletproof is a major problem they need to correct. Not sure what reason he would even have to train like a ninja when he can take the shots he takes. Just keep updating the armor and get a face plate.
One shotgun blast to the shoulder, mind you, not the back from a long range vs a point blank shot after the armor has been nearly completely broken down by gunfire. It makes sense when you don't generalize it with broad encapsulations.
Omg …. Nah you are the man for pointing that one out foreel…… like since when does Batman knock a door ….. asking “ you know who I am c “ lol bro it was sooo whack
"The Batman" had some very good early reviews, and a lot of people read them. The movie was somehow framed as "high brow" so even if people hated it, they told themselves through congnitive dissonance it " was perfect" as the reviews said. The mediocre reviews came out AFTER the main release. It was bait and switch. This movie is no Batman Begins or even Tim Burton's batman'
Well, we all have our opinions! And heres mine! I personally think its better than Begins and Rises and i even think that it rivals The Dark Knight! And not all the early Reviews were good and those reviews after the main release were not all mediocre or bad! Everyone has different taste in movies just like you and me! If a movie has a great reviews overall,It just means that there were more people who liked the film than the people who hate it!! That doesnt mean the movie is perfect! Take the Dark Knight for example! The movie was great and its still rated highly, but that doesnt mean that everyone likes it or think that it is a great movie and there still would probably be a ton of people who gave the movie a bad review!
@@digimon3522 critics love it because it's a left wing take on Batman, lecturing him on white privilege, man's planning and asking him to do more for being rich... They castrated the Bat, and now it's awesome... Wow...! 👍
@@digimon3522 you liking a movie doesn’t make it good. I love plenty of dog shit level movies. Is it more competently made? Above the Christopher Nolan movies? Astounding unequivocally no it’s not better.
Don’t forget it’s a film where the villains plus Batman is in there 1st years, I think riddlers suit is gonna be more comic accurate years down the line when he’s more experienced, batman also remember the scene where they showed him trying to glide buh his bat wings were still in development
@@justinhunt4767because he hasn’t gotten to that point yet, Literally Batman year one he was just focused on being Batman and nothing else but I guess only Batman fans know this.
I still can't believe people think this is better than the dark knight, or even batman begins. This movie copied so much from those movies, to prefer this over them is just stupid
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 having an opinion is fine which I never said anything wrong with having an opinion so don't put words in my mouth. Certain opinions are stupid though
This is exactly what I thought. Finally someone said it. The stakes in the movie were just set up to be disappointing. Batman’s journey to stop corruption ends up with him feeling bad for stopping corruption? The only interesting conflicts lead to nothing. Not sure if this was all just set up for sequels or if every movie will be this anticlimactic.
I said the exact same thing. This movie may very well end up being a great piece in a trilogy. But its not a good stand alone film at all imo. It very much reminds me of the new "Dune" movie. Beatiful to look at,nice potential world building for future films. Mid on the action and very anti climactic on the ending. I didnt judge Dune as harshly because I know ite based on a book and needs to be broken up into multiple movies. But I dont think that works in the comic book genre.
@XΣΠΩ Π7 No? I’m not telling you not to think that. That’s the difference between having an opinion and telling someone to stfu because you can’t handle the truth.
What city has that much of a constant swell of water for that length of time? Only a hurricane would create a wave that big and if there was one the city would be evacuated
I don't understand how people can have a high opinion about this Batman movie. The riddler in this movie was acting (and looked) more like a spoiled exagerating tantrum throwing manchild, as if he has never been told no in his life before and couldn't fathom real life outside his former pamperd lifestyle. I couldn't even take the villain origin story seriously, because it came over like a melodramatic overacting of a toddler. The Riddler was just utterly cringe and didn't seem to represent as much of a unpredictable, criminally insane person, who fell from sanity and reason into giving in to madness and depravity, due to "one bad day". It's as if Paul Dano went into a psychiatric instution, treating it like a candy shop and chose which messed up disturbing behavior to impersonate, without giving a care about the cause and diagnosis behind it. God! And the Joker from the deleted scene. I mean, seriously! This guy looks like a crack addicted horror Clown cosplayer. And why the hell where the movie Producers and Directors so moronic not to seize the opportunity to cast "Willem Dafoe" for this role! I can kinda deal with Pattinson being the next batman, (I have nothing against Nirvana though) but seriously what's with all that Emo-BS and that stupid stomping entrance. I thought Batman was all about stealth and using the element of surprize, with that he brought fear into the hearts of criminals and villains. And that gloomy demaenor as if he never learned to overcome his grieve, to a certain extent, and also never underwent to steel his mind, during his youth and growth. And the Batmobil was somehow too rustic and simple and would have fitted better in a racing movie with a scrapyard-underdog-protagonist in it. It's as if the entire movie was nothing but a daydream of a 90s teenager lying in bed, in his dusk iluminated room, taking a rest from reading Batman comics and listening to grunge music.
Me and my wife tried watching this movie 2x and fell asleep both times. Baffled by the positive reviews. This isn’t Batman, The Dark Knight Trilogy is perfection.
The second the Director confirms that the movie is going to be grounded people act like it needs to be the most realistic movie in DC history. Yeah not like a billionaire has a toolbelt with a grappling hook that shoots 100 feet out of a pistol, and contact lenses that have mini cameras in them with a live feed feature, and a syringe that injects him with enough adrenaline that literally let’s him get up and fight again from being blown away by a D2 with heavy ass armor on. It’s a Batman movie it can ever get that realistic when it comes to Gadgets. Edited in later. Why don’t they just shoot him in the mouth? it’s not like a giant 6 Foot humanoid bat is walking toward you in a dark hallway with the only source of light being the muzzle flash of your gun.
I'm not asking for it to NOT push the limits of reality, I'm asking for internal consistency. And as far as people calling it great, the story needs to be great to earn that sort of praise, and the story failed imo.
You're spot on, there are tons of incoherent unrealistic things in Nolan's movies but it's hailed as the most grounded...both versions are grounded but also comicbook movies.... The real issue these people have is that someone dared to say something was better than their beloved Nolan films
Imo the worst serious Batman film to date. Miscast entirely except for Collin Ferrel as Penguin (which was suprising). The story and plot points are nonsense and Bruce is made to look like an imbocile. Not a thing worked here imho and i cannot for the life of me being a Batfanatic for 30+ years see what people are loving about it... Better than TDK?? Whoever says that needs therapy no fuckin way is that even remotely accurate just like this film. Truly hated it and was cautiously optimistic going in.
Bravo bravo. Dude you are hilarious. That "syke" part was hilarious. I absolutely agree with everything you said...yeah the penguin and his goons have a dead girl in the trunk and gets off scotch free
I was disappointed by the film too , can't believe rotten tomatoes gave this a huge score. Like what ? It wasn't great it was good but I'd rather not watch it again
I thought I was one of the few who didn’t like this movie……non detective Batman, non stealth Batman…..walks into direct machine gun fire and can’t really fight😂
Can we please acknowledge the fact that he is only on his second year? I get that he may not be the perfect Batman you’re imagining, but he still has some room to grow.
@@The_Batman0 Room to grow? Like room to start being quiet and using gadgets out of nowhere in the next movie? Or maybe he'll grow by ditching the dumb flying squirrel glider and actually glide with his cape like he does in everything else instead of crashing straight into the road. The writers really expect us to believe that he can withstand explosions from C4 as well as sniper rifle and assault rifle rounds at close range but he can't glide because it's "too unrealistic" did they expect us to laugh or point out how silly it is that Batman can glide? It's just so dumb, I hate this stupid "realistic" batman, there's no room for creativity
@@JacktheStripper-tc5pn well YOU try being Batman for a night, creating your own suit from scratch, and YOU find a cloth that can harden to where you can glide, and then talk about “creativity”
@@tmb379 well he was TRAINED by the league of shadows. plus, he got clapped by bane, he barely even blocked, as if all that training didn’t even happen
@@xpflowexclusive4313 I dont want to see "the worlds greatest detective AND a master strategist" play the game of some se7en rip-off. Batman was a pawn, he's SUPPOSED to be another player. I at least want an ending where Batman reveals to Riddler that he's been one step ahead this whole time (ala Sherlock 2: game of shadows)
Agreed ! The first like hour was good … than it just got worse and worse the pacing was ridiculous and yah made no sense Why go through everything why didn’t the riddler just flood the city from the jump ? Why get caught and go to Arkham … why not just … leave before your plan is started ? It was like they tried to blender together some ridiculous elements from Adam West era batman and cobble them together with Nolan’s Legit the Riddlers plan was so non threatening … that he succeeds on every level… and it literally doesn’t matter
Can't forget the S7even homage they needed to beat us over the head with. Thats literally the only reason they had Riddler turn himself in,was to have a Jon Doe moment. But without the same payoff in the end.
- Why not flood from the get go? Because he had certain people he wanted to kill. He would've had to kill all those people in the rafters during the flood. That's a lot of work and luck to pull it off. - Why not leave Gotham? He wanted to be in a place to meet with Batman and watch the city flood.
He had a lot of people to kill first and it woulda been more work on rafts ? This again speaks to how non threatening and pointless the flood is …your conceding just master plan wouldn’t even hurt the people he hates …. again in this movie the bad guy wins ..and it does not matter cause his plans are retarded Next there’s about a billion ways he could of met batman or had batman meet him there is no need for it to be with him imprisoned at Arkham In the dark knight Joker gets caught intentionally to divert attention so he can have Harvey and Rachel kidnapped … there’s a purpose that’s entirely integral to the story and the character … this all also matches the Jokers omega personality and his agenda to warp everyone to his way of thinking Meanwhile Riddler was an orphan …who hates Bruce Wayne’s dad so now I’m wants to flood a city and kill Bruce ? This movie is legit retarded and that’s coming from someone who wants to like it and loves batman
@@Bluesteel_97x yah I put myself into heavy delusions trying to like it …. But there are no redeemable qualities other than aesthetically it looks cool . It’s funny cause defenders seem to think somehow it went over our heads “You don’t get it he wasn’t actually batman. He is vengeance and needed to learn that he can’t be that “ Yah … we get it ..that is part of how stupid it is ..batman IS vengeance… he IS the night … to say there is a movie about batman … learning not to be batman anymore is retarded And even on that grounds it is done poorly … dude somehow is impenetrable to shotgun blasts but we’re supposed to think him cutting a cord (of the past) and falling into water (some metaphorical baptism) is an actual threat ? Like the character sacrificed something Haha end of my rant but …. I loved batman as a kid and wish I loved this movie But your right …. It SUCKS all of it
I personally couldn't resonate with Pattinson's batman or bruce wayne for that matter. For some reason, he didn't felt like batman at all, the broody, genius, strong yet stealth personality, he lacked this. No offence to any fan though, just a personal opinion.
Because they take no time to explore who he is as a person beyond awkward and non-communicative. There's very little internal retrospection, flashbacks, or even any notion of what his childhood and relationship with Alfred was like.
Great review. Feel like I'm taking crazy pills with all the hype. To me it felt like the writer and director got really fucked up on DXM and watched the Nolan trilogy and tried to recreate it the next morning from a fever dream. Also, so much miscast characters. Gordon LITERALLY sounded and acted at times like Jordan Peele's spoof-cop from Key & Peele!
literally just ripped it off like the muzzle flash scene. riddle meant to get hes self caught and talk to batman interrogation room. this shit is so tired!! they need to go back to campy and color for a while but there still shook for batmen and robin so were stuck with this shit!!!!
Spot on. I couldn't stand this version of Gordon. He lacked the humility and honor which is essential for his character. I couldn't stand Catwoman either. The chemistry was forced and was no where near the original chemistry of Bat-Cat. This Batman is a simp. He fell for a woman he met only once and couldn't stop leaning in for a pity kiss. Nothing like Batman.
Forgot who said it but this is the kind of movie that people who have little idea who batman is and what he stands for would enjoy. The second rates that just read his comics instead of trying to understand them and love to wank off Batman's "feats" more than rather than remember that he's still a human with human limitations.
@@BatmanDCEU I'm sorry but what exactly is there to understand the guys just plain wrong,the batman here is in his year 1 the Bruce Wayne persona hasn't been created yet and literally by the end of the movie he learns to not just embody vengeance but justice as well also saying he's human with human limitations in a comic where a guy with guns can somehow kill the universe with literal deities is dumb asf
In the Telltale videogame for example Batman often protects his face with an arm and tries to dodge the bullets when someone is shooting at him, ducking and charging them to prevent his suit to take too many shots and also to make it more difficult for his enemy to aim at him accurately while this Batman just tanks every shots he receives and doesn't even try to dodge them or protect his face, apparently this Batman suit is made out of Superman skin or something and Gotham thugs are unable to aim him in the jaw even by mistake so he doesn't have to worry about gunshots at all... There are also several other disappointing things I could say about this Batman from him not having almost none of his gadgets to his cape not allowing him to glide so he has to turn his suit in a weird sky diving squirrel suit but I could look past all those things if the movie was actually good. I did look past the fact that the fight scenes were quite underwhelming and you couldn't understand what was going on most of the time in the Dark Knight Trilogy cause that Batman, that story was actually GOOD. But with this The Batman... Lol I tried to like it except near the end of the movie I realized that Batman did nothing in this movie literally he accomplished nothing. He wasn't able to save Riddler's targets from getting killed... He did exactly what he wanted unable to figure out Riddler's plan. He didn't catch the Riddler who gave himself up after getting what he wanted and then this Batman just happens to find out about his plan when it's already too late which causes the city to get flooded. The only things he was able to accomplish are saving Catwoman from Falcone and the people in the stadium in the end. For the rest this Batman failed at everything he did and was irrelevant in his own movie... It's hilarious when he gets angry to the Riddler and he just laughs in his face cause he had every reason to laugh. Basically he won. Pattinson Batman failed. Disappointing.
He was MEANT TO FAIL! That is what this movie is highlighting. Batman has been from the start doing the whole vigilante thing wrong and because of his methods he created the villain and was his own failure
I actually wanted them to adapt the telltale story in this movie. The trailer had so many clues indicating that. This story is a huge disappointment in comparison to that.
Wow you said it perfectly. It was the accomplishing nothing part for me that got me mad and confused. Also, didn’t buy him as Batman once. Was like some weird Emo kid put on a costume
(Explanation) If you’re wondering about the bomb scene, if you look carefully, then you can see that he quickly covers his face, where he knows is vulnerable to attacks. We can assume that his suit is thermal resistant, so that’s how he didn’t take any major damage. In Alfred’s scene, he took major damage, since he didn’t have a suit, (obviously). Riddler wanted to make sure Bruce was dead, so I think he wanted to make it even stronger. Level IV armor already exists, and can take armor piercing rifle rounds and shotguns, which explains the gunshots, however, you can see that while he was getting shot, he did get a little knock back.
when I went home after the theater, I thought it was very good. But then I even remember that in the second half of the movie, for the very first time, I pulled out my phone to look at the time, while I was watching The Movie in theaters. I've never looked at my phone to know what time it is, while I'm watching a movie in theaters in my entire life! Like Avengers Endgame feels shorter than The Batman. But Avengers is longer than the Batman.🧐 And when I hear reviews about it, they say the same thing that I did And I was thinking like, why would I do that? Do I like this movie?🤔 Or am I lying to myself to like this movie? So I watched it a second time When they released the movie on streaming, and..... Wow, The story doesn't make much sense. I was so distracted by the visuals and the atmosphere of the movie that I completely forgot what the story even was at the end. All I could remember was the music, the visuals, and the beginning of the movie, and that's it. It annoyed the crap out of me now that everyone is praising it on TH-cam. And they even are threatening to watch this movie, saying: if you didn't like it Then you're a pu**y or something like that. And I was looking up to if anyone else was thinking the same thing as I do. And that's how I found this video.
Lifelong Batman fanatic here, I couldn’t agree more with you about checking the time. I have never done that in a Batman movie. But this one had me BORED.
Thank you for this. It drives me insane that people don’t see this movie for the pile that it is. Also, One gripe of mine, that no one else seems to mention; is the acting. Holy shit it was campy. Especially any scene involving commissioner Gordon. I couldn’t take a single thing he said seriously. It was like watching an SNL caricature of a cop. God I hate modern movie audiences.
I think you should have payed more attention to the film. Most of the "issues" you mentioned are explained well in the film. For example riddlers motivation wasnt to save the innocent, he wanted revenge because he felt mad at the world because of the corruption that had made his life miserable growing up. Thats why he "knew" who batman is. He thought they were the same. He doesnt actually know who batman is and he doesnt really care. He said it himself when he was talking about how he wanted batman to see him in his mask and how he knew that the mask was who batman really was. Also the explosion part, well i did find it ridiculous that batman didnt really react even though he knew when the bomb was going to explode, he was still wearing armor and alfred wasnt
@@bherenews the plan was too keep those at the rally in the rally to kill them. Innocents were never mentioned anywhere as someone he was protecting. He was simply taking "vengeance". Also, the ultimate exposure of the infrastructure fund not being there anymore, you know, that thing that drove everyone to corruption.
Thursday, October 31st. The city streets are crowded for the holiday. Even with the rain. Hidden in the chaos is the element, waiting to strike like snakes. And I'm there too. Watching. 2 years of nights have turned me into a nocturnal animal. I must choose my targets carefully. It's a big city. I can't be everywhere. But they don't know where I am. We have a signal now, for when I'm needed. When that light hits the sky, it's not just a call- it's a warning. To them. Fear is a tool. They think I'm hiding in the shadows. But I AM the shadows. I wish I could say I'm making a difference, but I don't know. Murder, robberies, assault- 2 years later, they're all up. And now this. This city's eating itself. Maybe it can't be saved, but i have to try. PUSH MYSELF. These nights all roll together in a rush, Behind the mask. Sometimes in the morning i have to force myself to remember everything that happened.
Not feel. Just what we objectively observed. This movie was just good and average at best. Becomes bad when you Account for the plot holes, loose plot threads, and too many plot points that were almost forgotten. Falcone almost made the riddler forgettable with Catwoman doing the same to Batman
Riddler doesn't know that Bruce is Batman because he could never imagine that the spoiled, rich Bruce Wayne would ever do something as selfless as go out at night to fight crime. The reason it's important that he monologues about Bruce Wayne in his scene with Batman is because The Batman is, at its core, about trauma. In this scene, Batman believes that Riddler knows *everything;* even his identity, and so to hear him tear down the trauma that Bruce believes validates his crusade is heart-breaking for him. Bruce feels invalidated; like his entire reason for being "vengeance" is invalid because of his status and wealth. Then, when Riddler reveals that he doesn't know who Batman really is, there's a shift - and you can see it, as Batman meets Riddler's eyes. Everything Riddler said to discredit Bruce Wayne in that scene is invalid because he doesn't know that Bruce Wayne = Batman -- he doesn't know how hard Batman tries to hide from his pain and use it to save others. To suggest that their confrontation in Arkham is a "waste of time" is ignorant of the film's message. If that's not an interesting climax to you, then you weren't paying attention. Furthermore, your summary that Falcone's storyline is the most interesting and intimate conflict in the movie is just plain wrong. The theme of childhood trauma permeates The Batman. Bruce, Selina, and Edward all exist of examples of how Gotham City failed its at-risk orphans: Bruce hides from his trauma behind an exterior armour (the Batman persona) and feels vulnerable without it (see his confrontation with Riddler in Arkham, when he believes that Riddler knows who he is - or his meeting with Falcone to discuss his parents). Selina uses her flirtatious persona (and many wigs) during working hours to hide from her trauma so she can make enough money to survive, despite doing so in the proverbial belly of the beast, since she's working so closely with Falcone. Lastly, the impact of Riddler's trauma on him should be obvious, so I don't even wanna go there. These three characters are connected via the film's very prevalent theme of childhood trauma, and it's not until the third act that their problems literally explode to flood the city - metaphorically drowning Gotham in the very suffering that it has created. Batman is the only one of the three who learns to live with his trauma ("our scars make us who we are"), while Catwoman and Riddler are obviously still bound by theirs; with Selina riding off to be a thief elsewhere and hide from the world, and Riddler locked up in Arkham and presumably planning his revenge. Vengeance is not the prime driving force behind Bruce becoming Batman. His trauma is. But vengeance is still important. It's how he expresses his relationship with his trauma; his absolutist stance against crime drives him to go out as Batman every night and fight the criminals who are surely suffering in the same way that he is. This is why he gives up on vengeance at the end to pursue hope instead; to use his experience working with his trauma to and his status as Batman to both *literally* save people from the flood that he, Kyle, and Nashton's traumas created - and also provide hope to the city that he once drowned in vengeance (i.e., Riddler was inspired by Batman's vengeance in the first place). Therefore to suggest that Batman was *given what he wanted* by Riddler is untrue. Yes, he would have achieved his vengeance, but his trauma would still have been unsettled. By killing off Falcone, the film is essentially screaming in your face that, "VENGEANCE IS NOT THE POINT!" before transitioning into the ending where Batman's character can truly be resolved. From your arguments, it seems you just wanted an action movie where nothing surprises you and there is a clear victor at the end, like The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight is an interesting examination of Batman and Joker's opposing ideologies, but I prefer The Batman because of how personal it is. TDK basically used Batman and Joker as pillars of different arguments, but Reeves' Batman is an intensely personal story that I enjoyed far more. --- Nolan fans when nobody directly states their intentions and perspectives into the camera be like: th-cam.com/video/EMt3O0N3EJo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=B-HereNewsandReviews
That just makes the riddler look even dumber for having collected all this obvious evidence that Bruce Wayne is Batman, then still not even be able to put the pieces together. You said this reviewer just wanted the ending to have an obvious victor like in the dark knight. Okay then, let’s compare the two- At the end of the dark knight, Batman becomes an outlaw after he is framed for the murder of Harvey Dent, who the city still thinks is a hero, and Batman has to go into hiding. Batman and Gordon choose not to tell the city the truth because they know that even though the life of Harvey Dent is a lie, it is still a powerful message. And therefore, the city is better off not losing one of the last remaining symbols of hope that they have. At the end of the Batman, he is literally doing charity work and saving children in broad daylight where the message is clear- he has now become the hero and protector of the city. Not exactly sure what movies you watched.
@@niklashegg If you think the Riddler looks dumb by not figuring out that Bruce Wayne is Batman, then you must not have been paying attention. The Riddler thinks that Batman is on his side, and he can't possibly imagine someone as rich and powerful as Bruce Wayne ever being as selfless as Batman. That's why he reacts so strongly when Batman calls him a psychopath in Arkham: He genuinely believed that Batman agreed with him, so he never ever would entertain the idea that Bruce and Batman are one in the same. I don't think it makes him look stupid, I think it makes him look short-sighted. The evidence on his wall isn't evidence linking Bruce Wayne and Batman anyway. That's all a red herring to build tension in the Arkham scene before Riddler reveals that he really has no idea. Your comparison of the ending of The Dark Knight and The Batman is also pretty weird. Like, you didn't even compare them, you just described the endings. Yes, Batman becomes the hero at the end of The Batman by finally becoming symbol of hope that he always should have been (good thing), but the city is totally flooded and countless people are dead. The ending of the Batman clearly speaks the message "the bad guy won and Batman let it happen by being so consumed by his own vengeance, but the circumstances have forced Batman to become the hero that you expect of him. He has abandoned his vengeance." If you seriously watched the ending of The Batman and thought "ah yes, Batman won," then you need to re-watch it. As for the Dark Knight, Joker wins in that movie. He corrupts Gotham's only symbol of hope and forces Batman to kill him to save Gordon's family; hence Batman becomes an outlaw, as Gordon protects Harvey's legacy. Does Batman do the right thing in this situation? Yes! But he's been gunning to have Harvey save the city throughout the whole movie, and at the end, he's forced to do so by giving up his own legacy. Joker wins by forcing Batman and Gordon into this lie to protect Dent: A lie that is exploited by Bane in the sequel. The difference between these two endings is, to me, night and day. In one, Riddler "wins," but in doing so, he forced Batman to step into the light. He creates the very hero that Gotham ACTUALLY needs. So although his plan succeeded (aside from the assassination of Reale) and he managed to out fox Batman at every turn, the ending is still a hopeful one thanks to Batman's development. Meanwhile, the ending of the Dark Knight is much more straightforward. Just like the Riddler in The Batman, Joker wins by turning Harvey into Two-Face; corrupting Gotham's white knight and proving essentially that the city has no hope. Batman and Gordon lie about Harvey's crimes to protect his image and protect the city's hope, but even though Gordon gives an inspiring speech about Batman, they lose at the end. They have to lie to protect a man who tried to kill Gordon's family, and only in the sequel does Batman rise to fill Harvey's shoes. I just think that The Batman has a much more nuanced ending than The Dark Knight. I don't mean to say this to bash The Dark Knight at all, by the way! But the two movies have very different requirements for endings. The Batman puts a lot of focus in the character of Batman himself, so the ending is a personal one that's meant to make the spectator feel more conflicted: Riddler wins physically, but our hero has triumphed emotionally. Meanwhile, TDK is the second movie in a trilogy. It essentially serves the same purpose to its series that The Empire Strikes Back does in bringing the cast to their darkest point so that the final film in the trilogy can have them rise again. To argue that TDK's ending is more nuanced than The Batman's just doesn't sound right to me. But the best Batman movie is Batman 1966 anyway so it really doesn't matter
@@outpesticide You just described more ways the movie makes riddler look stupid. You’re telling me he successfully put this plan together and even had a conspiracy board of Batman and Bruce Wayne, but couldn’t look at two photos and be like “oh yeah that’s the same guy”. Especially in the way that Batman constantly just shows his face in public and Bruce Wayne doesn’t even have a different personality. It all seemed like a cheap way to make the audience think the riddler obviously knows Bruce Wayne is Batman, only to make him look dumb when he doesn’t. This is also beside the point, but that scene where the riddler throws a temper tantrum is one of the worst things I’ve ever seen. But yes, thats how comparisons work. And you should rewatch the dark knight. Jokers plan essentially fails in the end. Neither of the ferry’s blow up and Batman is able to prove to the joker that the way he thinks the world is, is wrong. That even though he is able to corrupt someone like Harvey dent, that doesn’t mean everyone is the same. You also explained how it is nuanced because they hold off the truth about Harvey Dent for what? A decade? When was joker’s plan ever to make the Batman lie? The whole point was for the joker to try to bring society down to his level which doesn’t happen and is prevented further when the truth about Harvey dent is kept from the people. So we’re led to believe the joker failed until bane eventually reveals the secret. But you’re the one who commented about the two endings in the first place. I’d still rather watch Batman begins over the Batman any day.
He already saved Falcone from catwoman so it wouldn't make sense for him to struggle with the kill or no kill idea. This batman doesnt kill and doesnt hesitate to save villains when they need it.
Can we also talk about the fact that while people were being shot by these Riddler psychos, Batman was running around on the roof setting up coordinated explosives so he could make a sweet entrance. 😂
Everything that was supposed to have meaning and emotion was so forced. And it made Batman seem so incompetent without somebody helping him. The riddler rendition was good though
I don't know which of these main things were worse: 1. Spending way too much time, the the alleged first movie of a trilogy, on "the bat and the cat" with zero chemistry, her ranting is like the writing for robin in "batman and robin" or "batwoman." Not sorry to say Zoe Kravitz was passed on Dark Knight Rises because her acting is sub-par. Without the falcone connection, the movie couldn't even justify her presence. 2. "Battinson." Not "everything," and I don't care that Robert got his career started in the sparking vampire series, he is a better actor than that. He is not however, good as Batman. The noir-style narration sucks, and he is sub-par at just about everything-batman, bruce wayne, etc. It's not the lines, or the style, it's literally "not cut out for the role, everyone was right before it came out." Nothing in perfect and I had no issues really I mean stuff could be better, it's no "batman begins," "dark knight" or "batman 1989" but it's better than the CW-show type character assasinations. Also we got this over Batman vs. Deathstroke, over a movie actually talking and/or showing the death of a Robin, etc. Soy instead of the real stuff.
good point bringing up how Riddler led Batman to help him, ultimately leading to Batman finding out that Falcone was (likely) the killer of his parents (if indirectly leading him to that conclusion). There were a lot of plot points in this movie but none of them felt honed in on (hence why some of my explanations are in parenthesis). I love the movie for its obscure set pieces, great character development, and realism, even if some of the things you mentioned are very unrealistic, but it's a movie (Dark Knight also had a lot of "yeah right" moments). It would have been cool to see the idea of Riddler leading Batman to Falcone as a major focus of the movie. The idea of Riddler finding out that Bruce Wayne is Batman, and leading Batman to Falcone, then toying with Batman's mind about his confliction would have been a very deep and grounded concept to explore. Instead, the movie stuck with a less risky approach and portrayed the villain as another guy pissed off about Gotham City who tries to destroy it (A great concept that fit well with the Dark Knight trilogy). I want to see more stories with the villains trying to hit Batman where it hurts the most, that explore the cannon more psychologically. That's one of the biggest appeals of Batman and his rogues gallery. But... this was the intro to Matt Reeve's Batman. They had to build to story somewhere. Maybe it will go deeper. It would nice to see villains returning for sequels (non cameo) and making things personal, something that hasn't really been done in a Batman movie.
@@expose327 Not at all, riddler is just smarter. From the first crime scene Batman noticed details the police didn't, and solved a riddle, than he figured out he had to find the victim's car, Alfred helped but Bruce was the one to truly solve it, figured out which car it was instantly and knew to look for a usb hole, and there's the "thumb drive" joke. He solved many riddles in the church scene, and tried to save the guy til the very last second, no running away(very in character, and he covered his face from the explosion last second).He figured out that that the Rata Alada thing was spelled wrong because it led to a site( "You Are El Rata Alada", URL Rata Alada), which is very smart, solved another riddle. With help from an officer, he figured out he needed to use the carpenter tool, and he stopped the riddler goons.
Slow, dark, uninteresting and too phuqing long. Catwoman was also unnecessary. Just made me re-read Batman: The Long Halloween, which this movie was poorly modeled from. I get the young Bruce of not developing the playboy persona yet but I don’t get the Invincible Batman. Young Batman should be stealthy and athletic. The Batsuit shouldn’t be a Vibranium,Tank Suit EVER.
If Batman being seemingly unrealistically unkillable grinds your gears, make sure to steer clear of literally all Batman content at all costs, because that is just sort of his thing
exactly, this argument is making me want to drink bleach. michael keatons batman gets shot directly in the chest pretty much in the heart at point blank and is just fine, even with his shitty polyurethane looking suit
Its funny how many people i see butt hurt in comment sections on youtube because someone didnt like the batman. I was hyped for this movie initially then i watched about 45 minutes of it and decided it wasnt for me. It felt like matt reeves decided to make a zack snyder film on steroids. Where everything is ultra brooding and we are told its way deeper than it actually is. Sorry people but not everyone will like these styles of movies
Another scene that didn't make sense is when Batman was shot down by Penguin's gang near the warehouse. Then suddenly appears in the Batmobile to make the "epic" intro of the car. Did anybody see Batman limp over there and get in? There was nothing covering him between the fire fight and the Batmobile. When there is so much inconsistency in the movie just takes you out of it. I took a short nap my brain just couldn't take it anymore.
Start to finish there is literally nothing special about this movie 😭. It’s like not even bad but there’s nothing fucking great either it’s just very plain. People saying this is better than the Dark Knight are only speaking from recency bias. Like I’m not even joking when I say this film couldn’t compare even on its best day to The Dark Knight. Ledgers performance is the bare minimum of what makes that film great. The way it’s shot, filmed, the chronology of the scenes, the action sequences, every single actors performance, the lesson and themes within the story, the memorable dialogues and intelligence of the writing. The Batman is like a fuckin cartoon compared to TDK.
I think the biggest issue is that he doesn’t really do anything in the movie… like it felt like a Gotham episode w Batman edited into it. A vigilante who was more inept than the police 😂
I couldn't watch for more than 20 minutes, and I'm so glad I rented it and didn't buy it. I really wouldn't want that pile of shit to remain in my library. So, reasons why from the first 20 to 25 minutes I could tell the movie is complete trash: 1- Batman doesn't have loud steps, unless he's wearing a mechanical armored suit even then his steps are still not loud 2- Batman NEVER said "Yeah!" before 3- Batman doesn't knock on the front door and asks for permission to go in and he definitely doesn't use STAIRS he also knows every martial art there is, and he never gets hit especially if he is fighting untrained people who are not that much 4- His voice sucks, sounded more like Robin, not Batman. 5- Batman does NOT write down notes. LIKE WTF There is more, but these just did stand out. I think that this is the worst Batman ever. Other actors are not fit for the roles as well. Alfred was the bad guy from Avengers Age of Ultron with a stylish haircut, and Commissioner Gordon was a middle-aged African-American guy. I'm not against him being like that, but we are used to Gordon being old, blond, and with a big mustache, they at least got the mustache one right. Bruce Wayne (Batman) was the edgiest mf on the planet and is definitely nothing like Batman without the suit.
Have you never read Batman comic in your life? Batman is skillet martial artist but that doesn’t mean he can’t be hit and there has been time’s where Batman has write down notes and he has used the stairs before and also this is supposed to be a young batman who just started fighting evil so of course he would be Struggling you and the person who made this video don’t understand Batman
This was more batboy then Batman afflacks Batman warehouse scene out shines any pathetic fight scene in the Batman 3 hours of boredom and simple riddles a kid could solve wtf is wrong with these TH-camrs praising this trash 🗑
I do agree with the lack of tension. It's pretty evident that no character we care about in the movie will die, so there is no tension. Tension only comes during the prison scene with riddler and batman, but even that falls flat. Riddler really carried the movie IMO. Really cool character who could have been even cooler with better writing
I agree with a lot of this. I had to watch a bunch of videos to convince myself this was a good movie. Now I’m back to my initial reaction out of the theatre.
Was it? It was pretty disappointing from my perspective. Riddler was acting like some shitty joker knockoff for no aparent reason threw me off the most. Shit i dont even remember the plot either. I dunno, what was good about it to you? Only thing i would point ti is th visuals, those were nice but the plot really killed it for me.
1. Audience is degraded completely and got stupid af. Or 2. 80% of all reviews are bots. While both can be true I think it is the bots. Google study about how 50% of whole web are just bots of all sorts mainly for commertial use or advertising.
@@maga1475 fuck you. You can’t just call us “degraded” because we have different taste in movies. This one took a different approach for people who take Batman a little more seriously.
Last night I watched this movie because of 7.8 rating on imdb. Lol it is not even close to batman begins! forget TDK. Goods: Batman suit looks aesthetic, by face Pattinson looks a good bruce wayne, Comic accurate Gotham, Cinematography, fight sequences. Bads: Slow paced movie, boring dialogues, bad music bgm, Depressed Bruce (worst), bad actor choice for riddler, alfred, catwoman, falcone. Also didn't liked batman's detective side in this movie. When movie started to get interesting it ended lol😂 The least impactful Batman movie😠
I also like how Batman waited for the penguin to get in his car and drive away before finally deciding to chase him in the Batmobile, even though he could’ve easily trapped them earlier.
If that's the case then I feel even more justified with this movie being poorly thought out. Gotham is full of skyscrapers. It's all high ground lol. That's a silly reason, he could just get a kayak
@@bherenews *Without the final act, Batman doesn't close his character arc from vengeance, to someone who is willing to sacrifice himself (by cutting the power above the water) to save the people below from electrocution, before leading them out, they're no longer afraid, or distrustful of him. The mayor's son taking his hand first is a step towards healing his trauma. The woman on the helicopter stretcher grasping Batman's arm is the complete opposite to the Asian subway victim's response. From people being scared of the shadows, to leading them out of them. Huge arc. *The point of the Riddler getting caught was because (and he says explicitly) to be safe in Arkham while the city's sins get washed away. You think he's going to be canoeing around getting his groceries in a city with a destroyed infrastructure after his crimes when he can network, and get 3 square meals in Arkham? That's planning. *Final Showdown was in Arkham, a psychological one, and a physical one against Riddler's goons. *The point of the plan was to take out the corruption at the top level, and force an actual renewal of the city, to level it so that it could be rebuilt. A success since that's pretty much what happened. *Riddler showed he wasn't afraid of collateral damage when he made the car plough through the memorial service. *The runtime was necessary to tell the nuanced story, with noir pacing. *All of those characters were integral to the story, with perhaps the exception of Joker, but for like 2 mins, not a big deal. *Riddler doesn't know Bruce is Batman. The expertly crafted tension leads Batman, and the audience to think he does, but it's revealed (if one pays attention) that he doesn't. He even says to Batman during the Arkham scene, that Bruce Wayne is the only one they didn't get. Why on earth would the Riddler want to kill Bruce but think he's teaming up with Batman to rid the city of the Wayne's (and other corruption) if he "knows" he's the same person?! *Batman doesn't detain Oz after the car chase because the police are still infested with corrupt cops, meaning he gets released instantly, and Batman can't risk another confrontation with the police. Literally all these "issues" become moments of enjoyment when a film doesn't underestimate the audience's intelligence, and rewards patience, and attention. It's a modern classic. Sorry you couldn't enjoy it.
@@bherenews "All my life, I've been invisible. I guess I won't be anymore. They'll remember me now." Riddler wanted attention. He was mad because upon Thomas and Martha's death, all people cared about was Bruce. Then him, along with the other orphans were left starving and basically forgotten. Him surrendering and revealing his identity was a reminder of the corruption in Gotham. It didn't seem like he wanted to go on the run as a fugitive, he wanted to send a message. Kinda like John Doe in Se7en.
It's not a good film. It's a bad film. Rotten Tomatoes lies like crazy about films when "necessary." Pushing woke rubbish is "necessary" in Hollywood these days. The entire movie sucked. Wrong Batman actor, he would work better as a Robin or Batgirl. :)
canonically, according to the comic books and cartoons, Batman does feel pain from bullets hitting his armor. He just works through the pain. As for the composition of his armor, it's composed of several materials that are either extremely complex and haven't actually been combined properly irl yet, or in certain cases different forms of "unobtanium" because it's a work of fiction, and the writers use impossible and improbable materials to remind us of that. As for the riddler...well, Batman has been shown to have superior intellect in most cases. And most of Batman's villains wouldn't want to reveal Batman's identity because they enjoy playing the Hero-Villain game. On the note of not aiming at Batman's face, it's actually a matter of aiming for the biggest target, which is usually center mass. On the note of the wire, i'll admit, that was one singular point of something not making sense, but not nearly as bad as what Snyder did to The Flash in Justice League. The riddler making a plan that ultimately backfires? That's usually how his arcs go.
I had the problem with the slow pace and the final act, for me the final act was quite messy. Most of the time Batman in these movie must rely on partner Jim Gordon and Catwoman. Other part in the movie is nicely executed.
Hardly anyone is telling you you’re wrong. Everyone loves this stupid film. I just don’t like it. The Batman sucks. It’s like the Dollar General version of Batman Begins and TDK combined.
The riddler should have been Azrael, Falcone should have been the main villain and Bruce should have behaved like a 30yr old man instead of a perpetual teenager.
The Batman was a safe bet for WB. It's another self contained grounded take like the Nolan trilogy. There was no risk involved with releasing this movie. It's not original or new. It's just kind of there. Just OK.
World's greatest detective didn't think to investigate where the photos were taken of the iceberg lounge. So many holes in this movie. Even more frustrating, because like you said, they nailed the first act of the movie.
Also the thing about Riddler at the end ; his motives are revealed in that Arkham scene that Riddler ultimately isn't as concerned with taking down the corrupt, as much as he is with being noticed, being "remembered " etc. As Riddler is typically a narcissist and it appeals to his ego. And he believed Gotham as a whole was beyond saving to boot. Plus Riddler flooding the city is something he's done in the comics, in Zero Year.
You can’t exactly use the comics as an excuse for why his actions in the movie are motivated, when the movie itself didn’t present riddler in that way. It’s pretty undeniable that his plan in the third act feels disjointed from the rest of the movie.
@@niklashegg again, Riddler in the film believed that Gotham was beyond saving (much like Bruce suggests that "maybe it's beyond saving" as further parallels between the characters), and you can also say that he wanted the rest of the city to feel what life was like for him, "drowning" so to speak
@@shadowprince101 okay so he just created this whole elaborate plan for no reason and to just throw it in the ditch when he decides to flood the city? They also build him up as some sort of justified vigilante killing only for that to also be thrown in the trash when he just starts killing innocent people and has a whole faceless army behind him. It felt very lazy.
Bros getting cooked in here. Thank you guys. I’m so glad we all wasted near 10 minutes together. You know I didn’t finish listening to this dude monologue. You can just as easily knit-pick the Dark Knight lmao
You can nitpick the "falling off a building scene", or "how did joker get the bus in line" but as far as having a cohesive storyline with an emotionally satisfying conclusion? This movie doesn't come close.
@@bherenews An "emotionally satisfying conclusion"? You high or something? They tried to show that Gotham was good and trying to give it an arc when we barely knew Gotham.
I don't necessarily thinks its a horrible take on the batman but I do have a lot of questions regarding it. I typically don't like to nit pick but your told that this film is a more grounded and detective story then to me the DETAILS matter. How does a "Year 2 batman that is still learning to be batman" take 100s of military grade ammunition at point blank range without any injury or damage?? At times it feels like Matt Reeves made him superman when he wanted him to be. For instance how does this Batman take an C-4 explosion inches from his face that blows him back like 30 feet but doesn't leave any mangled jaw or burn marks, then just hours later has the ability to fight 3 cops out run 50 then base jump from the top of GPD crashes into a bridge going at least 20-30 mph.? What part of that sounds grounded??? Also why does he fight the street gang in the 1st scene that's picking on one Asian guy but have total disregard for the at least 10-15 civilian motorists that were annihilated in collisions and explosions in the car chase scene that apparently nobody had to answer for because even after the batman realized he made a mistake and had the wrong guy he let the penguin go. For a detective movie it seems the details only matter if they want it to matter. But everything else were supposed to just ignore? Like when Batman swung over to the live current wire which is dangling about 100 feet above the half drowned citizens below Batman's plan was to cut the wire to save the people from being electrocuted but common sense to us that you have to CUT THE POWER OFF in order for live electric current to stop?? Also I'm pretty sure the reason the wire is even dangling there damaged is because Batman blew the ceiling for no apparent reason other than to make a non stealth entrance which in turn made all the damaged metal beams and giant shards of glass fall onto the wires and all the people below he's trying to save?? if its a detective story I expect details to be superior and if its grounded make sure its GROUNDED CONSISTENTLY. Not when its convenient for your superhero movie.. Come on MATT REEVES I expected much better writing from you??
Batman NEEDS to wear face covering. I’m tired of seeing Batman with a normal white mouth sticking out like a soar thumb, and it can cause so many problems that are never brought up by anyone in Gotham. It would also help Batman seem more like legend then man so there shouldn’t be any problems with covering the face.
It is difficult to breathe, release heat, and communicate with a full face covering helmet. Don't ask me for a reference on this, but apparently, they've addressed this in one of the comics before, in which his proto-suit had a face covering, and the thug he was trying to intimidate couldn't take him seriously because he misheard his name as "Buttman".
@@TH-camGetsWorseAndWorse those are some really good points actually. I think most of them can be solved with a higher tech version of Batman like the XE suit from Arkham, but that wouldn’t work for a lot of versions of Batman.
@@TH-camGetsWorseAndWorse This is something I actually would have preffered to see in this movie lol. Would have been cool to see a Batman with inferior armor,inferior design. Gradually grow his costume into the legendary one we know today. Thats much better than the OP armor that can take anything you throw at it. We even got that in the Nolan films. And those films were never pitched to be early Batman figuring it out.
I mean he is Bruce Wayne the guy that's basically started a company that involves in all sorts of branding from military weapons to cooking equipment. So I could imagine him experimenting on different types of bulletproof fabric and mixing all of them together to make his Batman suit, he has made some outlandish Tech like his eye contacts recording everything he's doing. So it wasn't hard for me to believe that he made a suit that could withstand different types of bullets plus fireproof would have to be a thing of him going into buildings that has fire
the riddler knows Bruce is Batman tho everything hints at it lol from the fact the second he sends the bomb to Bruce and Bruce Wayne is known for never leading the tower at the same time he plans for Batman to be across the city? and the fact his sentence structure when talking to batman is funny he goes Bruce Wayne looks at him which for acknowledgment and then restarts a different train of thought for some odd reason he also has figure out Batman‘s secret identity multiple times in the comics but never tells anyone because he likes the idea that he’s the only one who knows the answer to the riddle who is the batman so
also uh the riddler got caught because he said he would be safe in the prison and he thought Batman had already solved his riddles and he was on his side? remember the riddle that was like bring him into the light and then Batman brought Falcone directly under the light so he would perfectly be able to shoot him and then the Riddler would eventually get caught he would meet up with batman and they would be safe up there waiting for the bombs to go off but batman didn’t know that because he had no idea what a carpet Tucker was lol
I probably would have thought all these things... if I hadn't kept falling asleep during the movie, rewinding it, and trying to remember what I had seen already and didn't. I have no clue what happened. I don't remember how they caught Riddler, why Falcone was shot, who was shooting Batman at the end, what Riddler's plan was, or why it didn't work. And I don't care. I was too bored to care.
Exactly he's taking 762 automatic shots like he's hulk when in reality he'd be smoked. The least batmna thing he can't help but walk into bullets even tho his face legs arms and balls are exposed. Who am I kidding he has no balls. He doesn't even catch riddler.
When I first watched it, I lost track of the plot half way through and just watched other reviews to bring me up to speed. Then I was like “oh wow that is a good plot great movie 👍” I guess I liked the Idea of The Batman more than The Batman. Thanks for pointing out these flaws, I probably never would’ve caught them otherwise.
don't forget when penguin killed a bunch of people on the highway they just let him off free lmao
Coruption
Fr wtf
So, Gordon takes Penguin in and what? Falcone gets him released? Falcone is still in charge, no matter how many good cops there are.
Dude should've interogated the penguin at the water plant or whatever rather than cause that stupid chase. All those innocents on that interstate could've been save if Batman was smart enough to not provoke the chase.
That’s a weird way of telling us you didn’t watch the movie hahah
The best Batman was Nolans. It showed how Batman learned to fight, was basically a ninja, used gadgets and deception to win his fights. He also showed that Batman was a man and could be killed, could be injured, was not invincible.
Agreed
Plus he was a SYMBOL that can’t be destroyed but is still very much killsble
The problem is that it's barely Batman. In every movie they strip away more of what makes the characters and setting what they are.
And do not forget that a ton of people died on a massive car accident to follow the penguin, just to ask him a few questions
Another great example
@@bherenews perfect example a bad guy killing people😮💨
That’s like…kinda the point though lmao. His arc throughout this entire movie is learning to become a superhero and caring for people
To be fair in The Dark Knight trilogy Batman probably kills dozens of people in car chases too. Never forget how he almost blew up those two kids in the underpass lol
@Taskicore Except watching those scenes again, Batman in DK trilogy actually has pretty minimal collateral, and not much visible deaths in chases where Batman is involved. The only notable and visible death being the crashes helicopter in Dark Knight. Otherwise both the police and bats are smart and there's no civilian casualties. In comparison, Patt bat literally ramps through an exploding vehicle caused by him chasing Penguin down a busy highway, putting innocents at risk, and killing a whole Lotta people.
Why nobody is talking about how bad detective he and never solved anything related to the crime at hand other than couple of riddles at the beginning of the movie.
Thank you! They made the worlds greatest detective the worlds biggest dork in a bat suit…. Alfred solving riddles? Never… the joker spelling it all out in a deleted scene because Batman doesn’t get it? GTFO… they made Batman and inept idiot… it makes no sense!
@@martinarnsdale8662 Its pointless to make these points. Because when you do,fans will just tell you "its only his second year as batman,he will get better". Thats literally the excuse for every problem anybody has with this characterization of Batman. And who knows,maybe thats a very fair statement. But early Batman stinks,and we want our real Batman. Batman getting some help is fine. But I literally don't remember a moment where he showed he was smarter than everyone else,or thinking steps ahead. Batman diffusing the bomb would have been alot cooler than standing there like an idiot as it blew up in his face.
@@martinarnsdale8662srsly tf batman a detective😂
Wdym? He solved a ton.
He came to the answer for about everything except Falcone being the rat.
Batman has always had help from Alfred, but he didn't even ask. Alfred just did it to try and connect with him.
He took avenues of investigation that were clever. And don't start with the, "He doesnt know Spanish!"
Yes he does. He knew rata alada meant rat with wings without Alfred telling him, which means he knows Spanish.
He was a great detective.
Check out my review on my channel. I do.
so glad to see people who are seeing this is not a 'masterpiece' (like what???)
It's not even close to being a masterpiece. Time should tell the tale with this one. When the hype has died down, people will be able to see it clearly as a mess of a movie. Riddler was a hodgepodge of more well crafted villains from other movies, badly acted, with motivations that were all over the place. Scenes like the recording of Selina's Russian friend went on WAY too long, which brings up the issue of run time. Chinatown is just over two hours. A Batman movie doesn't need to be 3 hours, especially with scenes like the arena where he hangs off the jumbotron TWICE. Who approved the final cut? Then he and Catwoman drive off into the sunset, separately, in shots that went on so long I was expecting something more to happen other than them just parting ways. Why did we need to spend so much time watching this shit? Get a real editor in there, Jesus. Also, this was supposed to be Batman's detective coming out party, and aside from some gadgets and solving riddles he wasn't really much of a detective. What an absolute train wreck
@@clonusmaximus4600 fucking nailed it
I am sick and tired of it
They call it a masterpiece like they can't see the flaws in it at all
It’s a Masterpiece
People have brainwashed by the marketing of Hollywood...this movie sucks!
Ngl i really thought i was the only one who didnt liked it ,he looks like he is a depressed gay guy💀
My main problem is that Batman and Gordon didn't investigate the angle of where the photo of the Mayor leaving the club shot from. They could have done that and raided the riddler's apartment. It's just a bad screen play.
That's not what screen play means.... sorry hate to be that guy
Well I mean if the photo was zoomed in or edited in any way, then the photos angle becomes irrelevant.
Also, they have no reason to suspect that the place riddler took the photo has anything to do with… anything. Why would they think the riddler lives right next to the iceberg lounge?
@@wambokodavid7109 you're pathetic
@zoravarsandhu8296 But it could mean the Riddler has been around that play spying on Falcon and other people. They could come there to see any clue left behind.
He didn't know Bruce was Batman. He told Batman that Bruce was the only one that got away. Riddler wanted Bruce dead. He didn't know Bruce was batman
Tbh I think Matt Reeves wanted to leave that assumption up to the audience. Exposing the Batman wouldn't really make since for the Riddler to do in this movie.
@@Rageren He makes it quite clear that the Riddler doesn’t know Bruce Wayne is Batman
Exactly. I cant believe this guy is criticising this point. It was obvious you were led to believe he knew who he was but the twist was that he didnt.
@@Ashadowtotheworld The guy who made this video got pretty much everything wrong that he criticized. It’s like he went into the movie having already deciding he hated it and bitched so hard that he only picked up like 30% of what actually happened in each scene. Such a bad criticism video.
@@jellyc4164 I know right...
People say this is better then the dark knight not even close 😂
They are nuts
It’s way better
You're right, it's way better than the dark knight 😂
But it is better than the dark knight
Yes its better
I thought it was a GARBAGE film. Slow, overly indulgent. Horrible portrayal by robert Pattinson in bruce wayne. Dull, dreary characters . The nolan series is miles better. This batman has Zero re-watchability
I hate to say this. But I think I would rather watch BATMAN AND ROBIN (1997). I saw this 2022 film in WALMART in the $5. bin. And I said to myself: "I don't think so." I admit to having a weakness for BATMAN BEGINS (2005). That was a case of "well, not what I was expecting, but 2nds please." Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, and Liam Neeson really delivered on that one!
bro whattt your actually tripping
@@Mr.ScaryPigNah he is speaking facts
@@elitecombine5373 no it was not garbage it was just playing it safe kreping the realism. they jst mad its not an action packed silly comic book movie like the nolan series. The “dull” characters were mostly bruce wayne but other than that the acting was amazing just not full of energy like marvel movies and thats fine.
Bats hasn't developed his Bruce Wayne billionaire playboy persona yet. He doesn't want to, doesn't see why. He thinks his only way to atone for his parents is being batman crime fighter. The end of the movie sets up bats being more than jst a guy in a mask, finally seeing a use to the existence of Bruce Wayne.
In the comics Batman always fight stealth unless necessary always hides in shadow that is why he is scary and calculative.. This Batinson Batman is so reckless and stupid everything is so over the top.. His face is bombproof and bullet proof.. He never prevented anyone from harm basically he just looked stupid and brooding at the same time.
Fanboys says he walked painfully slow to insist intimidation
Complaining about recklessness even though he’s the youngest Batman we’ve ever seen in live action history and he’s only two years into his career.
And twilight is dog shit
@@anybeans youngest batman my arse there’s literally an animated movie titled BATMAN YEAR ONE and he’s not clueless in that movie lmfao. He fight pretty good, he uses stealth and gadgets most of the time, he only fucked up because an old lady almost git hit by a bus and he decided to save her and lost his way out and trapped inside an old building and ambushed by the police. And what excuses do you have on The Batman having an adamantium armor in his second year while the animated year one batman got gunshot easily in the foot cause his suit is still early version. Oh right bruce on the animated year one movie also smart enough to put playboy richman persona whenever he needs to appear in front of public
@@anybeans That's bullshit. Batman in Begins was also young in his career
Dude! I said the SAME THING! People were Massively overhyping this movie, and my cousin was the one that told me it was better than *The Dark Knight* , and after I got out the movie theater, i wanted to punch him in the jaw for Blasphemy! Not only are the points you brought up all great, but the acting wasn’t that great, like, anyone in this universe could tell Bruce was Batman. He HAS THE SAME EXPRESSION THE WHOLE TIME! Catwoman and Gordon didn’t really blow me away in terms of acting, in fact, it was just, “Good Enough” at best. The only standout was The Penguin, now that was Great acting by Collin. Movie was way too long, me & a few of the friends I took even started falling asleep at different parts because it kept dragging on
lol Alfred was annoying as fuck
*EXACTLY!!!* DUDE, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID.
For the same reason James Cameron's Titanic was so popular and made so much money. The Bullshit Love triangle and The female allure of Leo De Caprio at the time. (I actually heard a few times from Women. Leo is dreamy.) This time it was Pattinson's Second Twilight. He was there so I guess Women were going to see him (I know. WTF?) And Men for the Batmobile. Right, Dom Toretto wants his MOPAR back already.
I stopped watching as soon as I realized how beta all the males in the movie r. Batman looking scrawny and emo, riddler a frail skinny dude, even the bouncers twins look like they r just fresh out of college. I bet the jokers not gonna be much diff. Whrs all the men?
The Dark Knight is still overrated nonetheless
This movie was straight up boring. You really have to push your self to be intrigued in the plot. And even if you do you find out his entire “investigation” of the Riddler was for nothing. The Riddler literally outsmarted the Midman.
POV you genuinely didn’t understand the movie, the character of Batman or the character of riddler
@@supercarguy547 haha no I just didn’t get caught in the false hype
And too dark. Forced to increase brightness. The plot is quite predictable if u read the comics. Only a matter of deliverance. Just a retelling of a what if story with same characters but some different nuances. U get tired of it after sometime
@@l_ifeefi_l1998 well said
@@Mattyice25 you got caught as having no 🧠 cells tho 😂
In the club he got shot in the back by a shotgun, but in that final fight he got knocked out completely by one shotgun. The plot armor is the worst part for me, they were lazy with the fight scenes, they just made Batman walk through bullets.
Just more proof of how bad the writing was on this “film”
He got shot by the riddler copycats in the end by a rifle and not a shotgun.
Exactly,batman is human and should have stakes. Obviously he dodges bullets and survives falls he shouldn't be able to. But I appreciate when gunfire erupts there are stakes for him that don't exist for Superman,or more powerful characters in the DC universe. Having him be bulletproof is a major problem they need to correct. Not sure what reason he would even have to train like a ninja when he can take the shots he takes. Just keep updating the armor and get a face plate.
One shotgun blast to the shoulder, mind you, not the back from a long range vs a point blank shot after the armor has been nearly completely broken down by gunfire.
It makes sense when you don't generalize it with broad encapsulations.
@@theofficialvernetheturtley338 it was not a shotgun
It was a rifle
What got me was Batman knocking on the door at the club asking to come in, wtf man
Then for plot convenience catwoman had to do his job 😂
He's batman. He does whatever he wants
@@fabiobaldan556girls get it done 💪💪💪
Omg …. Nah you are the man for pointing that one out foreel…… like since when does Batman knock a door ….. asking “ you know who I am c “ lol bro it was sooo whack
"The Batman" had some very good early reviews, and a lot of people read them. The movie was somehow framed as "high brow" so even if people hated it, they told themselves through congnitive dissonance it " was perfect" as the reviews said. The mediocre reviews came out AFTER the main release. It was bait and switch.
This movie is no Batman Begins or even Tim Burton's batman'
Well, we all have our opinions! And heres mine!
I personally think its better than Begins and Rises and i even think that it rivals The Dark Knight!
And not all the early Reviews were good and those reviews after the main release were not all mediocre or bad!
Everyone has different taste in movies just like you and me! If a movie has a great reviews overall,It just means that there were more people who liked the film than the people who hate it!! That doesnt mean the movie is perfect! Take the Dark Knight for example! The movie was great and its still rated highly, but that doesnt mean that everyone likes it or think that it is a great movie and there still would probably be a ton of people who gave the movie a bad review!
@@digimon3522 critics love it because it's a left wing take on Batman, lecturing him on white privilege, man's planning and asking him to do more for being rich... They castrated the Bat, and now it's awesome... Wow...! 👍
@@digimon3522 you liking a movie doesn’t make it good. I love plenty of dog shit level movies. Is it more competently made? Above the Christopher Nolan movies? Astounding unequivocally no it’s not better.
You’re wrong
@@lucewilliams You need to say why you think I'm wrong. That's how rebuttals work. Just typing that is childish behaviour.
Riddler did not look like the Riddler not really act like the riddler either Bruce was a strange one too in this
Part of the best thing about Batman is being Bruce Wayne a billionaire playboy they killed that in this movie
Don’t forget it’s a film where the villains plus Batman is in there 1st years, I think riddlers suit is gonna be more comic accurate years down the line when he’s more experienced, batman also remember the scene where they showed him trying to glide buh his bat wings were still in development
@@justinhunt4767because he hasn’t gotten to that point yet, Literally Batman year one he was just focused on being Batman and nothing else but I guess only Batman fans know this.
Yeah bruce was a real weirdo, a complete social reject without any whit, charm or comedic sense.
@@mathEspinoza916 I guess they were trying to make even more emotionally damaged then before
I still can't believe people think this is better than the dark knight, or even batman begins. This movie copied so much from those movies, to prefer this over them is just stupid
So having an opinion is stupid?
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 having an opinion is fine which I never said anything wrong with having an opinion so don't put words in my mouth. Certain opinions are stupid though
what exactly did they copy may i ask
@@zeeski7454so, having an opinion is stupid
@@zeeski7454 that is LITERALLY a contradictory statement and yes that is what you said 🤦 how embarrassing for you 🤣
i could only see half of the movie before shutting it down.
This is exactly what I thought. Finally someone said it. The stakes in the movie were just set up to be disappointing. Batman’s journey to stop corruption ends up with him feeling bad for stopping corruption? The only interesting conflicts lead to nothing. Not sure if this was all just set up for sequels or if every movie will be this anticlimactic.
I said the exact same thing. This movie may very well end up being a great piece in a trilogy. But its not a good stand alone film at all imo. It very much reminds me of the new "Dune" movie. Beatiful to look at,nice potential world building for future films. Mid on the action and very anti climactic on the ending. I didnt judge Dune as harshly because I know ite based on a book and needs to be broken up into multiple movies. But I dont think that works in the comic book genre.
@XΣΠΩ Π7 No? I’m not telling you not to think that. That’s the difference between having an opinion and telling someone to stfu because you can’t handle the truth.
@XΣΠΩ Π7 How?
@XΣΠΩ Π7 it is, only if you completely turn off your brain. Oh wait, I forgot that your brain ain't even functional in the first place, lmao
@@gamblertoguru382 you can keep saying that but no it already cemented it’s place among the best comic book movies ever hands down
The flood in itself is ridiculous, what kind of a city is built like that? That wave is like something from the day after tomorrow
Do you really think a fictional city like Gotham should be realistic? Get over it
Lmao there are a ton of city’s that are built below sea level it’s a common thing
What city has that much of a constant swell of water for that length of time? Only a hurricane would create a wave that big and if there was one the city would be evacuated
Yeah, why on earth would they build their city by the sea below the sea level?
I don't understand how people can have a high opinion about this Batman movie.
The riddler in this movie was acting (and looked) more like a spoiled exagerating tantrum throwing manchild, as if he has never been told no in his life before and couldn't fathom real life outside his former pamperd lifestyle. I couldn't even take the villain origin story seriously, because it came over like a melodramatic overacting of a toddler.
The Riddler was just utterly cringe and didn't seem to represent as much of a unpredictable, criminally insane person, who fell from sanity and reason into giving in to madness and depravity, due to "one bad day".
It's as if Paul Dano went into a psychiatric instution, treating it like a candy shop and chose which messed up disturbing behavior to impersonate, without giving a care about the cause and diagnosis behind it.
God! And the Joker from the deleted scene. I mean, seriously! This guy looks like a crack addicted horror Clown cosplayer. And why the hell where the movie Producers and Directors so moronic not to seize the opportunity to cast "Willem Dafoe" for this role!
I can kinda deal with Pattinson being the next batman, (I have nothing against Nirvana though) but seriously what's with all that Emo-BS and that stupid stomping entrance. I thought Batman was all about stealth and using the element of surprize, with that he brought fear into the hearts of criminals and villains.
And that gloomy demaenor as if he never learned to overcome his grieve, to a certain extent, and also never underwent to steel his mind, during his youth and growth.
And the Batmobil was somehow too rustic and simple and would have fitted better in a racing movie with a scrapyard-underdog-protagonist in it.
It's as if the entire movie was nothing but a daydream of a 90s teenager lying in bed, in his dusk iluminated room, taking a rest from reading Batman comics and listening to grunge music.
the joker fell into a vat of acid dumbass of course hes gonna look messed up
Me and my wife tried watching this movie 2x and fell asleep both times. Baffled by the positive reviews. This isn’t Batman, The Dark Knight Trilogy is perfection.
The second the Director confirms that the movie is going to be grounded people act like it needs to be the most realistic movie in DC history. Yeah not like a billionaire has a toolbelt with a grappling hook that shoots 100 feet out of a pistol, and contact lenses that have mini cameras in them with a live feed feature, and a syringe that injects him with enough adrenaline that literally let’s him get up and fight again from being blown away by a D2 with heavy ass armor on. It’s a Batman movie it can ever get that realistic when it comes to Gadgets. Edited in later. Why don’t they just shoot him in the mouth? it’s not like a giant 6 Foot humanoid bat is walking toward you in a dark hallway with the only source of light being the muzzle flash of your gun.
I'm not asking for it to NOT push the limits of reality, I'm asking for internal consistency. And as far as people calling it great, the story needs to be great to earn that sort of praise, and the story failed imo.
Hundreds of bullets and somehow not one single round hits his face. You're trying really hard to justify the nonsensical.
It doesn't have to be realistic for it not to be stupid
Mate you can’t see shit not to mention if you’ve ever held a gun trying to shoot someone with a tiny opening in the dark.
You're spot on, there are tons of incoherent unrealistic things in Nolan's movies but it's hailed as the most grounded...both versions are grounded but also comicbook movies....
The real issue these people have is that someone dared to say something was better than their beloved Nolan films
Imo the worst serious Batman film to date. Miscast entirely except for Collin Ferrel as Penguin (which was suprising). The story and plot points are nonsense and Bruce is made to look like an imbocile. Not a thing worked here imho and i cannot for the life of me being a Batfanatic for 30+ years see what people are loving about it... Better than TDK?? Whoever says that needs therapy no fuckin way is that even remotely accurate just like this film. Truly hated it and was cautiously optimistic going in.
This film was soul suckingly boring
No
In Nolan we trust
@@Waltercage5556yes
@@seventycross0yt175no
Bros 7
Bravo bravo. Dude you are hilarious. That "syke" part was hilarious. I absolutely agree with everything you said...yeah the penguin and his goons have a dead girl in the trunk and gets off scotch free
Scotch free.
@@dr.2335 typo
@@ghostme1635 I prefer it
@@dr.2335 Yeah, I was actually convinced I was the one saying it wrong because of how good this version is
I was disappointed by the film too , can't believe rotten tomatoes gave this a huge score. Like what ? It wasn't great it was good but I'd rather not watch it again
you don't know how Rotten Tomatoes do you lol
Not RT fault that critics rated it highly 🤡
@@ShafHussain of course I'm referring to the critics there. Lol. Not like the company rated it.
Rt is bought out
No one cares about critics opinions
I thought I was one of the few who didn’t like this movie……non detective Batman, non stealth Batman…..walks into direct machine gun fire and can’t really fight😂
Can we please acknowledge the fact that he is only on his second year? I get that he may not be the perfect Batman you’re imagining, but he still has some room to grow.
@@The_Batman0 Room to grow? Like room to start being quiet and using gadgets out of nowhere in the next movie? Or maybe he'll grow by ditching the dumb flying squirrel glider and actually glide with his cape like he does in everything else instead of crashing straight into the road. The writers really expect us to believe that he can withstand explosions from C4 as well as sniper rifle and assault rifle rounds at close range but he can't glide because it's "too unrealistic" did they expect us to laugh or point out how silly it is that Batman can glide? It's just so dumb, I hate this stupid "realistic" batman, there's no room for creativity
@@JacktheStripper-tc5pn well YOU try being Batman for a night, creating your own suit from scratch, and YOU find a cloth that can harden to where you can glide, and then talk about “creativity”
@@The_Batman0bayle Was in his first months and was 10times better
@@tmb379 well he was TRAINED by the league of shadows. plus, he got clapped by bane, he barely even blocked, as if all that training didn’t even happen
Batman was always reacting to things, never taking charge or pushing the story forward with his own actions.
That's usually wat happens when you're playing someone else's game...
Riddler controls the table... Batman was a pawn.
@@xpflowexclusive4313 I dont want to see "the worlds greatest detective AND a master strategist" play the game of some se7en rip-off.
Batman was a pawn, he's SUPPOSED to be another player.
I at least want an ending where Batman reveals to Riddler that he's been one step ahead this whole time (ala Sherlock 2: game of shadows)
@@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805 That's the whole point of Riddler tho
@@xpflowexclusive4313 riddler is supposed to challenge Batman intellectually, he's not smarter than batman.
The Batman (2022) is #NotmyBatman
That's cool, doesn't mean it isn't someone else's
@@TheBluestCrownwrong
@@seventycross0yt175 cope
@@seventycross0yt175 what tf do you mean "wrong"
@@McLunkeyhe means wrong and no one's watches these movies
Agreed ! The first like hour was good … than it just got worse and worse the pacing was ridiculous and yah made no sense
Why go through everything why didn’t the riddler just flood the city from the jump ?
Why get caught and go to Arkham … why not just … leave before your plan is started ?
It was like they tried to blender together some ridiculous elements from Adam West era batman and cobble them together with Nolan’s
Legit the Riddlers plan was so non threatening … that he succeeds on every level… and it literally doesn’t matter
Can't forget the S7even homage they needed to beat us over the head with. Thats literally the only reason they had Riddler turn himself in,was to have a Jon Doe moment. But without the same payoff in the end.
- Why not flood from the get go?
Because he had certain people he wanted to kill. He would've had to kill all those people in the rafters during the flood. That's a lot of work and luck to pull it off.
- Why not leave Gotham?
He wanted to be in a place to meet with Batman and watch the city flood.
He had a lot of people to kill first and it woulda been more work on rafts ?
This again speaks to how non threatening and pointless the flood is …your conceding just master plan wouldn’t even hurt the people he hates …. again in this movie the bad guy wins ..and it does not matter cause his plans are retarded
Next there’s about a billion ways he could of met batman or had batman meet him there is no need for it to be with him imprisoned at Arkham
In the dark knight Joker gets caught intentionally to divert attention so he can have Harvey and Rachel kidnapped … there’s a purpose that’s entirely integral to the story and the character … this all also matches the Jokers omega personality and his agenda to warp everyone to his way of thinking
Meanwhile Riddler was an orphan …who hates Bruce Wayne’s dad so now I’m wants to flood a city and kill Bruce ?
This movie is legit retarded and that’s coming from someone who wants to like it and loves batman
I thought even the first hour was bad, first scene when he came out and beat up 10 guys screaming im vengence was another level of cringe
@@Bluesteel_97x yah I put myself into heavy delusions trying to like it …. But there are no redeemable qualities other than aesthetically it looks cool .
It’s funny cause defenders seem to think somehow it went over our heads
“You don’t get it he wasn’t actually batman. He is vengeance and needed to learn that he can’t be that “
Yah … we get it ..that is part of how stupid it is ..batman IS vengeance… he IS the night …
to say there is a movie about batman … learning not to be batman anymore is retarded
And even on that grounds it is done poorly … dude somehow is impenetrable to shotgun blasts but we’re supposed to think him cutting a cord (of the past) and falling into water (some metaphorical baptism) is an actual threat ? Like the character sacrificed something
Haha end of my rant but …. I loved batman as a kid and wish I loved this movie
But your right …. It SUCKS all of it
I personally couldn't resonate with Pattinson's batman or bruce wayne for that matter. For some reason, he didn't felt like batman at all, the broody, genius, strong yet stealth personality, he lacked this. No offence to any fan though, just a personal opinion.
Because they take no time to explore who he is as a person beyond awkward and non-communicative. There's very little internal retrospection, flashbacks, or even any notion of what his childhood and relationship with Alfred was like.
Great review. Feel like I'm taking crazy pills with all the hype. To me it felt like the writer and director got really fucked up on DXM and watched the Nolan trilogy and tried to recreate it the next morning from a fever dream. Also, so much miscast characters. Gordon LITERALLY sounded and acted at times like Jordan Peele's spoof-cop from Key & Peele!
Gordon is very Columbo"ish" in this movie lol.
Spoof cop !! “Goddamnit spicoli don’t you think I know that god damnit “ hahahaha
literally just ripped it off like the muzzle flash scene. riddle meant to get hes self caught and talk to batman interrogation room. this shit is so tired!! they need to go back to campy and color for a while but there still shook for batmen and robin so were stuck with this shit!!!!
Spot on. I couldn't stand this version of Gordon. He lacked the humility and honor which is essential for his character. I couldn't stand Catwoman either. The chemistry was forced and was no where near the original chemistry of Bat-Cat. This Batman is a simp. He fell for a woman he met only once and couldn't stop leaning in for a pity kiss. Nothing like Batman.
@@DjArie09 You didn’t like Catwoman only for romantic reasons, her story held more weight and implications overall than The Batman’s.
Forgot who said it but this is the kind of movie that people who have little idea who batman is and what he stands for would enjoy. The second rates that just read his comics instead of trying to understand them and love to wank off Batman's "feats" more than rather than remember that he's still a human with human limitations.
Yeah bit, nobody knows batman like you 🤟🏽👌🏽
@@notyourmum9938You definitely seem like someone who doesn't understand him
@@BatmanDCEU I'm sorry but what exactly is there to understand the guys just plain wrong,the batman here is in his year 1 the Bruce Wayne persona hasn't been created yet and literally by the end of the movie he learns to not just embody vengeance but justice as well also saying he's human with human limitations in a comic where a guy with guns can somehow kill the universe with literal deities is dumb asf
In the Telltale videogame for example Batman often protects his face with an arm and tries to dodge the bullets when someone is shooting at him, ducking and charging them to prevent his suit to take too many shots and also to make it more difficult for his enemy to aim at him accurately while this Batman just tanks every shots he receives and doesn't even try to dodge them or protect his face, apparently this Batman suit is made out of Superman skin or something and Gotham thugs are unable to aim him in the jaw even by mistake so he doesn't have to worry about gunshots at all... There are also several other disappointing things I could say about this Batman from him not having almost none of his gadgets to his cape not allowing him to glide so he has to turn his suit in a weird sky diving squirrel suit but I could look past all those things if the movie was actually good. I did look past the fact that the fight scenes were quite underwhelming and you couldn't understand what was going on most of the time in the Dark Knight Trilogy cause that Batman, that story was actually GOOD. But with this The Batman... Lol I tried to like it except near the end of the movie I realized that Batman did nothing in this movie literally he accomplished nothing. He wasn't able to save Riddler's targets from getting killed... He did exactly what he wanted unable to figure out Riddler's plan. He didn't catch the Riddler who gave himself up after getting what he wanted and then this Batman just happens to find out about his plan when it's already too late which causes the city to get flooded. The only things he was able to accomplish are saving Catwoman from Falcone and the people in the stadium in the end. For the rest this Batman failed at everything he did and was irrelevant in his own movie... It's hilarious when he gets angry to the Riddler and he just laughs in his face cause he had every reason to laugh. Basically he won. Pattinson Batman failed. Disappointing.
He was MEANT TO FAIL! That is what this movie is highlighting. Batman has been from the start doing the whole vigilante thing wrong and because of his methods he created the villain and was his own failure
I actually wanted them to adapt the telltale story in this movie. The trailer had so many clues indicating that. This story is a huge disappointment in comparison to that.
Wow you said it perfectly. It was the accomplishing nothing part for me that got me mad and confused. Also, didn’t buy him as Batman once. Was like some weird Emo kid put on a costume
When will Hollywood understand Kevlar is not magic!
@@Mattyice25 srsly lmao
This movie gets worse with every rewatch unfortunately
Just like you
How many times did you rewatch a movie you didn’t like?😂
Just rewatched it recently. Honestly think it got better
(Explanation)
If you’re wondering about the bomb scene, if you look carefully, then you can see that he quickly covers his face, where he knows is vulnerable to attacks. We can assume that his suit is thermal resistant, so that’s how he didn’t take any major damage.
In Alfred’s scene, he took major damage, since he didn’t have a suit, (obviously). Riddler wanted to make sure Bruce was dead, so I think he wanted to make it even stronger.
Level IV armor already exists, and can take armor piercing rifle rounds and shotguns, which explains the gunshots, however, you can see that while he was getting shot, he did get a little knock back.
As he leans his face into the bomb
If you want a good bed time story? Watch this movie, I slept like a baby at the movie theater. 😴
Most expensive nap I’ve ever taken
thats because your habits are trash, sleep at your hours and comment the same sh1t everyone else does
😂
attention span of a toddler😂😂
This movie was beyond horrible. And I went in with an open mind too. TDK is literally the godfather compared to this junk
The movie was not horrible at all in fact it was very good
when I went home after the theater, I thought it was very good.
But then I even remember that in the second half of the movie, for the very first time, I pulled out my phone to look at the time, while I was watching The Movie in theaters.
I've never looked at my phone to know what time it is, while I'm watching a movie in theaters in my entire life!
Like Avengers Endgame feels shorter than The Batman.
But Avengers is longer than the Batman.🧐
And when I hear reviews about it, they say the same thing that I did
And I was thinking like, why would I do that?
Do I like this movie?🤔
Or am I lying to myself to like this movie?
So I watched it a second time
When they released the movie on streaming, and.....
Wow,
The story doesn't make much sense.
I was so distracted by the visuals and the atmosphere of the movie that I completely forgot what the story even was at the end.
All I could remember was the music, the visuals, and the beginning of the movie, and that's it.
It annoyed the crap out of me now that everyone is praising it on TH-cam.
And they even are threatening to watch this movie, saying:
if you didn't like it
Then you're a pu**y or something like that.
And I was looking up to if anyone else was thinking the same thing as I do.
And that's how I found this video.
Lifelong Batman fanatic here, I couldn’t agree more with you about checking the time. I have never done that in a Batman movie. But this one had me BORED.
Well less some of your brain is functioning is all
Thank you for this. It drives me insane that people don’t see this movie for the pile that it is.
Also, One gripe of mine, that no one else seems to mention; is the acting.
Holy shit it was campy. Especially any scene involving commissioner Gordon. I couldn’t take a single thing he said seriously. It was like watching an SNL caricature of a cop.
God I hate modern movie audiences.
I hated the Riddler I won’t watch the movie again.
This movie has good set design and cool camera angles and tricked people into thinking it was good
I think you should have payed more attention to the film. Most of the "issues" you mentioned are explained well in the film. For example riddlers motivation wasnt to save the innocent, he wanted revenge because he felt mad at the world because of the corruption that had made his life miserable growing up. Thats why he "knew" who batman is. He thought they were the same. He doesnt actually know who batman is and he doesnt really care. He said it himself when he was talking about how he wanted batman to see him in his mask and how he knew that the mask was who batman really was. Also the explosion part, well i did find it ridiculous that batman didnt really react even though he knew when the bomb was going to explode, he was still wearing armor and alfred wasnt
Exactly. He wanted revenge on the corrupt. So he kills innocent people? How on earth is that explained in a logical way.
@@bherenews He only killed those corrupt.
By flooding the regular people?
Also, the movie CLEARLY bates the audience with the fact that The Riddler knows Batman’s identity, only to pull out the next second.
@@bherenews the plan was too keep those at the rally in the rally to kill them. Innocents were never mentioned anywhere as someone he was protecting. He was simply taking "vengeance". Also, the ultimate exposure of the infrastructure fund not being there anymore, you know, that thing that drove everyone to corruption.
Thursday, October 31st. The city streets are crowded for the holiday. Even with the rain. Hidden in the chaos is the element, waiting to strike like snakes. And I'm there too. Watching. 2 years of nights have turned me into a nocturnal animal. I must choose my targets carefully. It's a big city. I can't be everywhere. But they don't know where I am. We have a signal now, for when I'm needed. When that light hits the sky, it's not just a call- it's a warning. To them. Fear is a tool. They think I'm hiding in the shadows. But I AM the shadows. I wish I could say I'm making a difference, but I don't know. Murder, robberies, assault- 2 years later, they're all up. And now this. This city's eating itself. Maybe it can't be saved, but i have to try. PUSH MYSELF. These nights all roll together in a rush, Behind the mask. Sometimes in the morning i have to force myself to remember everything that happened.
I was beginning to believe I was the only one who felt like this. 👍 👏👏👏👏
You are not alone. But i felt the same, so it's good to know ... WE are not alone.
still in the minority
Not feel. Just what we objectively observed. This movie was just good and average at best. Becomes bad when you Account for the plot holes, loose plot threads, and too many plot points that were almost forgotten. Falcone almost made the riddler forgettable with Catwoman doing the same to Batman
Riddler doesn't know that Bruce is Batman because he could never imagine that the spoiled, rich Bruce Wayne would ever do something as selfless as go out at night to fight crime.
The reason it's important that he monologues about Bruce Wayne in his scene with Batman is because The Batman is, at its core, about trauma. In this scene, Batman believes that Riddler knows *everything;* even his identity, and so to hear him tear down the trauma that Bruce believes validates his crusade is heart-breaking for him. Bruce feels invalidated; like his entire reason for being "vengeance" is invalid because of his status and wealth. Then, when Riddler reveals that he doesn't know who Batman really is, there's a shift - and you can see it, as Batman meets Riddler's eyes.
Everything Riddler said to discredit Bruce Wayne in that scene is invalid because he doesn't know that Bruce Wayne = Batman -- he doesn't know how hard Batman tries to hide from his pain and use it to save others. To suggest that their confrontation in Arkham is a "waste of time" is ignorant of the film's message.
If that's not an interesting climax to you, then you weren't paying attention.
Furthermore, your summary that Falcone's storyline is the most interesting and intimate conflict in the movie is just plain wrong.
The theme of childhood trauma permeates The Batman. Bruce, Selina, and Edward all exist of examples of how Gotham City failed its at-risk orphans: Bruce hides from his trauma behind an exterior armour (the Batman persona) and feels vulnerable without it (see his confrontation with Riddler in Arkham, when he believes that Riddler knows who he is - or his meeting with Falcone to discuss his parents). Selina uses her flirtatious persona (and many wigs) during working hours to hide from her trauma so she can make enough money to survive, despite doing so in the proverbial belly of the beast, since she's working so closely with Falcone. Lastly, the impact of Riddler's trauma on him should be obvious, so I don't even wanna go there.
These three characters are connected via the film's very prevalent theme of childhood trauma, and it's not until the third act that their problems literally explode to flood the city - metaphorically drowning Gotham in the very suffering that it has created. Batman is the only one of the three who learns to live with his trauma ("our scars make us who we are"), while Catwoman and Riddler are obviously still bound by theirs; with Selina riding off to be a thief elsewhere and hide from the world, and Riddler locked up in Arkham and presumably planning his revenge.
Vengeance is not the prime driving force behind Bruce becoming Batman. His trauma is. But vengeance is still important. It's how he expresses his relationship with his trauma; his absolutist stance against crime drives him to go out as Batman every night and fight the criminals who are surely suffering in the same way that he is. This is why he gives up on vengeance at the end to pursue hope instead; to use his experience working with his trauma to and his status as Batman to both *literally* save people from the flood that he, Kyle, and Nashton's traumas created - and also provide hope to the city that he once drowned in vengeance (i.e., Riddler was inspired by Batman's vengeance in the first place).
Therefore to suggest that Batman was *given what he wanted* by Riddler is untrue. Yes, he would have achieved his vengeance, but his trauma would still have been unsettled. By killing off Falcone, the film is essentially screaming in your face that, "VENGEANCE IS NOT THE POINT!" before transitioning into the ending where Batman's character can truly be resolved.
From your arguments, it seems you just wanted an action movie where nothing surprises you and there is a clear victor at the end, like The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight is an interesting examination of Batman and Joker's opposing ideologies, but I prefer The Batman because of how personal it is. TDK basically used Batman and Joker as pillars of different arguments, but Reeves' Batman is an intensely personal story that I enjoyed far more.
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my god man thank you for being the only person ive come across this shithole to have laid out why this video fucking sucks
I can get behind this. But like, there were so many other things wrong with the movie, at this point it doesn’t even matter
That just makes the riddler look even dumber for having collected all this obvious evidence that Bruce Wayne is Batman, then still not even be able to put the pieces together.
You said this reviewer just wanted the ending to have an obvious victor like in the dark knight. Okay then, let’s compare the two-
At the end of the dark knight, Batman becomes an outlaw after he is framed for the murder of Harvey Dent, who the city still thinks is a hero, and Batman has to go into hiding. Batman and Gordon choose not to tell the city the truth because they know that even though the life of Harvey Dent is a lie, it is still a powerful message. And therefore, the city is better off not losing one of the last remaining symbols of hope that they have.
At the end of the Batman, he is literally doing charity work and saving children in broad daylight where the message is clear- he has now become the hero and protector of the city. Not exactly sure what movies you watched.
@@niklashegg If you think the Riddler looks dumb by not figuring out that Bruce Wayne is Batman, then you must not have been paying attention.
The Riddler thinks that Batman is on his side, and he can't possibly imagine someone as rich and powerful as Bruce Wayne ever being as selfless as Batman. That's why he reacts so strongly when Batman calls him a psychopath in Arkham: He genuinely believed that Batman agreed with him, so he never ever would entertain the idea that Bruce and Batman are one in the same. I don't think it makes him look stupid, I think it makes him look short-sighted.
The evidence on his wall isn't evidence linking Bruce Wayne and Batman anyway. That's all a red herring to build tension in the Arkham scene before Riddler reveals that he really has no idea.
Your comparison of the ending of The Dark Knight and The Batman is also pretty weird. Like, you didn't even compare them, you just described the endings.
Yes, Batman becomes the hero at the end of The Batman by finally becoming symbol of hope that he always should have been (good thing), but the city is totally flooded and countless people are dead. The ending of the Batman clearly speaks the message "the bad guy won and Batman let it happen by being so consumed by his own vengeance, but the circumstances have forced Batman to become the hero that you expect of him. He has abandoned his vengeance." If you seriously watched the ending of The Batman and thought "ah yes, Batman won," then you need to re-watch it.
As for the Dark Knight, Joker wins in that movie. He corrupts Gotham's only symbol of hope and forces Batman to kill him to save Gordon's family; hence Batman becomes an outlaw, as Gordon protects Harvey's legacy. Does Batman do the right thing in this situation? Yes! But he's been gunning to have Harvey save the city throughout the whole movie, and at the end, he's forced to do so by giving up his own legacy. Joker wins by forcing Batman and Gordon into this lie to protect Dent: A lie that is exploited by Bane in the sequel.
The difference between these two endings is, to me, night and day. In one, Riddler "wins," but in doing so, he forced Batman to step into the light. He creates the very hero that Gotham ACTUALLY needs. So although his plan succeeded (aside from the assassination of Reale) and he managed to out fox Batman at every turn, the ending is still a hopeful one thanks to Batman's development. Meanwhile, the ending of the Dark Knight is much more straightforward. Just like the Riddler in The Batman, Joker wins by turning Harvey into Two-Face; corrupting Gotham's white knight and proving essentially that the city has no hope. Batman and Gordon lie about Harvey's crimes to protect his image and protect the city's hope, but even though Gordon gives an inspiring speech about Batman, they lose at the end. They have to lie to protect a man who tried to kill Gordon's family, and only in the sequel does Batman rise to fill Harvey's shoes.
I just think that The Batman has a much more nuanced ending than The Dark Knight.
I don't mean to say this to bash The Dark Knight at all, by the way! But the two movies have very different requirements for endings. The Batman puts a lot of focus in the character of Batman himself, so the ending is a personal one that's meant to make the spectator feel more conflicted: Riddler wins physically, but our hero has triumphed emotionally. Meanwhile, TDK is the second movie in a trilogy. It essentially serves the same purpose to its series that The Empire Strikes Back does in bringing the cast to their darkest point so that the final film in the trilogy can have them rise again. To argue that TDK's ending is more nuanced than The Batman's just doesn't sound right to me.
But the best Batman movie is Batman 1966 anyway so it really doesn't matter
@@outpesticide
You just described more ways the movie makes riddler look stupid. You’re telling me he successfully put this plan together and even had a conspiracy board of Batman and Bruce Wayne, but couldn’t look at two photos and be like “oh yeah that’s the same guy”. Especially in the way that Batman constantly just shows his face in public and Bruce Wayne doesn’t even have a different personality. It all seemed like a cheap way to make the audience think the riddler obviously knows Bruce Wayne is Batman, only to make him look dumb when he doesn’t. This is also beside the point, but that scene where the riddler throws a temper tantrum is one of the worst things I’ve ever seen.
But yes, thats how comparisons work. And you should rewatch the dark knight. Jokers plan essentially fails in the end. Neither of the ferry’s blow up and Batman is able to prove to the joker that the way he thinks the world is, is wrong. That even though he is able to corrupt someone like Harvey dent, that doesn’t mean everyone is the same. You also explained how it is nuanced because they hold off the truth about Harvey Dent for what? A decade? When was joker’s plan ever to make the Batman lie? The whole point was for the joker to try to bring society down to his level which doesn’t happen and is prevented further when the truth about Harvey dent is kept from the people. So we’re led to believe the joker failed until bane eventually reveals the secret.
But you’re the one who commented about the two endings in the first place. I’d still rather watch Batman begins over the Batman any day.
He already saved Falcone from catwoman so it wouldn't make sense for him to struggle with the kill or no kill idea. This batman doesnt kill and doesnt hesitate to save villains when they need it.
Can we also talk about the fact that while people were being shot by these Riddler psychos, Batman was running around on the roof setting up coordinated explosives so he could make a sweet entrance. 😂
Or, he was able to throw them and detonate them all at the same time. You know, because he’s fucking Batman.
Kind of like in the warehouse scene in BVS, where he sets of mini bombs simultaneously after erupting from the floor beneath. IDK...
Wtf did you want then? Him to just fucking open the door and say "Hey guys, stop shooting them man." Do you forget this is Batman my guy 💀
Besides, it seemed like it best for him to *ambush* them from above rather than walk up the stairs and just run straight at them
@@jellyc4164 he can do that but look like an amateur at fighting street thugs and fucking up with his gliding
Juat watched it after hearing it was ao good. Thought it was awful. Really didn't connect with it at all.
SAME
I wish you had more views on this video. Most won't watch this video because they can't handle the truth.
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Everything that was supposed to have meaning and emotion was so forced. And it made Batman seem so incompetent without somebody helping him. The riddler rendition was good though
I don't know which of these main things were worse:
1. Spending way too much time, the the alleged first movie of a trilogy, on "the bat and the cat" with zero chemistry, her ranting is like the writing for robin in "batman and robin" or "batwoman." Not sorry to say Zoe Kravitz was passed on Dark Knight Rises because her acting is sub-par. Without the falcone connection, the movie couldn't even justify her presence.
2. "Battinson." Not "everything," and I don't care that Robert got his career started in the sparking vampire series, he is a better actor than that. He is not however, good as Batman. The noir-style narration sucks, and he is sub-par at just about everything-batman, bruce wayne, etc. It's not the lines, or the style, it's literally "not cut out for the role, everyone was right before it came out."
Nothing in perfect and I had no issues really I mean stuff could be better, it's no "batman begins," "dark knight" or "batman 1989" but it's better than the CW-show type character assasinations.
Also we got this over Batman vs. Deathstroke, over a movie actually talking and/or showing the death of a Robin, etc. Soy instead of the real stuff.
This movie was absolutely terrible. You could do a 4 hour video on how bad that 3 hour movie was.
Personally if it wasn’t for the fact that it felt like I was watching the beginning of the daredevil series but now he’s rich kinda killed it for me
damn he fr taking advantage of the removal of the dislike button
Nah, I'd keep it up if I could. I knew it would piss off alot of people, and that's fine.
@@bherenews bc you just made stupid points that was expired in the movie
@@bherenews it’s a really horrible take dude. You didn’t even get key points that you complained about correct. Really kind of embarrassing dude.
@@jellyc4164 he has the right to his opinion I swear humans overreact at times
@@DaveTravelsinTime and I have the right to mine. What are you crying about?
good point bringing up how Riddler led Batman to help him, ultimately leading to Batman finding out that Falcone was (likely) the killer of his parents (if indirectly leading him to that conclusion). There were a lot of plot points in this movie but none of them felt honed in on (hence why some of my explanations are in parenthesis). I love the movie for its obscure set pieces, great character development, and realism, even if some of the things you mentioned are very unrealistic, but it's a movie (Dark Knight also had a lot of "yeah right" moments). It would have been cool to see the idea of Riddler leading Batman to Falcone as a major focus of the movie. The idea of Riddler finding out that Bruce Wayne is Batman, and leading Batman to Falcone, then toying with Batman's mind about his confliction would have been a very deep and grounded concept to explore. Instead, the movie stuck with a less risky approach and portrayed the villain as another guy pissed off about Gotham City who tries to destroy it (A great concept that fit well with the Dark Knight trilogy). I want to see more stories with the villains trying to hit Batman where it hurts the most, that explore the cannon more psychologically. That's one of the biggest appeals of Batman and his rogues gallery. But... this was the intro to Matt Reeve's Batman. They had to build to story somewhere. Maybe it will go deeper. It would nice to see villains returning for sequels (non cameo) and making things personal, something that hasn't really been done in a Batman movie.
It also shows how poor of a detective they have made him into
@@expose327 Not at all, riddler is just smarter. From the first crime scene Batman noticed details the police didn't, and solved a riddle, than he figured out he had to find the victim's car, Alfred helped but Bruce was the one to truly solve it, figured out which car it was instantly and knew to look for a usb hole, and there's the "thumb drive" joke. He solved many riddles in the church scene, and tried to save the guy til the very last second, no running away(very in character, and he covered his face from the explosion last second).He figured out that that the Rata Alada thing was spelled wrong because it led to a site( "You Are El Rata Alada", URL Rata Alada), which is very smart, solved another riddle. With help from an officer, he figured out he needed to use the carpenter tool, and he stopped the riddler goons.
It's a tale of two halfs: bf covid lock downs, after covid lock dows.
The 1st is 🏆. The 2nd is 💩
Slow, dark, uninteresting and too phuqing long. Catwoman was also unnecessary. Just made me re-read Batman: The Long Halloween, which this movie was poorly modeled from.
I get the young Bruce of not developing the playboy persona yet but I don’t get the Invincible Batman. Young Batman should be stealthy and athletic. The Batsuit shouldn’t be a Vibranium,Tank Suit EVER.
If Batman being seemingly unrealistically unkillable grinds your gears, make sure to steer clear of literally all Batman content at all costs, because that is just sort of his thing
exactly, this argument is making me want to drink bleach. michael keatons batman gets shot directly in the chest pretty much in the heart at point blank and is just fine, even with his shitty polyurethane looking suit
@@alexeames1559Robert Pattinson's suit is shitty 😂
@@alexeames1559Keaton Batman got shot a few times here and there. Battinson got thousands of bullets shot at him at the same time. 😂
Its funny how many people i see butt hurt in comment sections on youtube because someone didnt like the batman. I was hyped for this movie initially then i watched about 45 minutes of it and decided it wasnt for me. It felt like matt reeves decided to make a zack snyder film on steroids. Where everything is ultra brooding and we are told its way deeper than it actually is. Sorry people but not everyone will like these styles of movies
This movie was terrible. Slow, boring from beginning to end
Thank you
Exactly... definitely the most overrated movie I watched of late
Not your type then but thanks for that opinion sir
@@AntonioSZN even Christopher Nolan's dark night series were better than this...
@@bitopantalukdar9820 I love dark knight but I just like how this one shows Gotham supposed to be
Another scene that didn't make sense is when Batman was shot down by Penguin's gang near the warehouse. Then suddenly appears in the Batmobile to make the "epic" intro of the car. Did anybody see Batman limp over there and get in? There was nothing covering him between the fire fight and the Batmobile. When there is so much inconsistency in the movie just takes you out of it. I took a short nap my brain just couldn't take it anymore.
Start to finish there is literally nothing special about this movie 😭. It’s like not even bad but there’s nothing fucking great either it’s just very plain. People saying this is better than the Dark Knight are only speaking from recency bias. Like I’m not even joking when I say this film couldn’t compare even on its best day to The Dark Knight. Ledgers performance is the bare minimum of what makes that film great. The way it’s shot, filmed, the chronology of the scenes, the action sequences, every single actors performance, the lesson and themes within the story, the memorable dialogues and intelligence of the writing. The Batman is like a fuckin cartoon compared to TDK.
I think the biggest issue is that he doesn’t really do anything in the movie… like it felt like a Gotham episode w Batman edited into it. A vigilante who was more inept than the police 😂
Three words: 'You are el'
@@aychazyt6987?
What film did u watch lol
@@LeSteeler as in URL? That scene in the movie where he figured out a riddle?
I couldn't watch for more than 20 minutes, and I'm so glad I rented it and didn't buy it. I really wouldn't want that pile of shit to remain in my library.
So, reasons why from the first 20 to 25 minutes I could tell the movie is complete trash:
1- Batman doesn't have loud steps, unless he's wearing a mechanical armored suit
even then his steps are still not loud
2- Batman NEVER said "Yeah!" before
3- Batman doesn't knock on the front door and asks for permission to go in
and he definitely doesn't use STAIRS
he also knows every martial art there is, and he never gets hit
especially if he is fighting untrained people who are not that much
4- His voice sucks, sounded more like Robin, not Batman.
5- Batman does NOT write down notes. LIKE WTF
There is more, but these just did stand out. I think that this is the worst Batman ever. Other actors are not fit for the roles as well. Alfred was the bad guy from Avengers Age of Ultron with a stylish haircut, and Commissioner Gordon was a middle-aged African-American guy. I'm not against him being like that, but we are used to Gordon being old, blond, and with a big mustache, they at least got the mustache one right. Bruce Wayne (Batman) was the edgiest mf on the planet and is definitely nothing like Batman without the suit.
Agree with everything, movie was hot trash.
🗑️ movie
Your opinion and reasons for hating the movie are more shitty trash than the movie.
u missing the fact that the batman from the movie is a YOUNG Batman ,still learning .Not his prime ,cutting him some slack
Have you never read Batman comic in your life? Batman is skillet martial artist but that doesn’t mean he can’t be hit and there has been time’s where Batman has write down notes and he has used the stairs before and also this is supposed to be a young batman who just started fighting evil so of course he would be Struggling you and the person who made this video don’t understand Batman
This was more batboy then Batman afflacks Batman warehouse scene out shines any pathetic fight scene in the Batman 3 hours of boredom and simple riddles a kid could solve wtf is wrong with these TH-camrs praising this trash 🗑
ahahahaha Affleck had shit writing.
@@edward3164 He talked about the warehouse fight scene, no ?
@Infu Exe Yet some people forgot Keaton's and Bale's Batman killed.
I do agree with the lack of tension. It's pretty evident that no character we care about in the movie will die, so there is no tension. Tension only comes during the prison scene with riddler and batman, but even that falls flat. Riddler really carried the movie IMO. Really cool character who could have been even cooler with better writing
I agree with a lot of this. I had to watch a bunch of videos to convince myself this was a good movie. Now I’m back to my initial reaction out of the theatre.
That’s their opinion not yours
What a sad existence you must live.
@@jellyc4164 nah he got a point tho. Everyone d riding this movie
@@DC.edit347 because it’s really good
Was it? It was pretty disappointing from my perspective. Riddler was acting like some shitty joker knockoff for no aparent reason threw me off the most. Shit i dont even remember the plot either. I dunno, what was good about it to you? Only thing i would point ti is th visuals, those were nice but the plot really killed it for me.
1. Audience is degraded completely and got stupid af.
Or
2. 80% of all reviews are bots.
While both can be true I think it is the bots.
Google study about how 50% of whole web are just bots of all sorts mainly for commertial use or advertising.
@@maga1475 fuck you. You can’t just call us “degraded” because we have different taste in movies. This one took a different approach for people who take Batman a little more seriously.
Last night I watched this movie because of 7.8 rating on imdb. Lol it is not even close to batman begins! forget TDK.
Goods: Batman suit looks aesthetic, by face Pattinson looks a good bruce wayne, Comic accurate Gotham, Cinematography, fight sequences.
Bads: Slow paced movie, boring dialogues, bad music bgm, Depressed Bruce (worst), bad actor choice for riddler, alfred, catwoman, falcone. Also didn't liked batman's detective side in this movie.
When movie started to get interesting it ended lol😂
The least impactful Batman movie😠
I also like how Batman waited for the penguin to get in his car and drive away before finally deciding to chase him in the Batmobile, even though he could’ve easily trapped them earlier.
The Batman is trash.good gosh... Uhh who ever see better then The Dark Knight. They should go to jail for that. Literally.
He explained why he got caught- because Arkham was high ground and he knew he'd be protected from the flooding. He basically stated this in the movie.
If that's the case then I feel even more justified with this movie being poorly thought out. Gotham is full of skyscrapers. It's all high ground lol. That's a silly reason, he could just get a kayak
That’s just absurd.
@@bherenews *Without the final act, Batman doesn't close his character arc from vengeance, to someone who is willing to sacrifice himself (by cutting the power above the water) to save the people below from electrocution, before leading them out, they're no longer afraid, or distrustful of him. The mayor's son taking his hand first is a step towards healing his trauma. The woman on the helicopter stretcher grasping Batman's arm is the complete opposite to the Asian subway victim's response. From people being scared of the shadows, to leading them out of them. Huge arc.
*The point of the Riddler getting caught was because (and he says explicitly) to be safe in Arkham while the city's sins get washed away. You think he's going to be canoeing around getting his groceries in a city with a destroyed infrastructure after his crimes when he can network, and get 3 square meals in Arkham? That's planning.
*Final Showdown was in Arkham, a psychological one, and a physical one against Riddler's goons.
*The point of the plan was to take out the corruption at the top level, and force an actual renewal of the city, to level it so that it could be rebuilt. A success since that's pretty much what happened.
*Riddler showed he wasn't afraid of collateral damage when he made the car plough through the memorial service.
*The runtime was necessary to tell the nuanced story, with noir pacing.
*All of those characters were integral to the story, with perhaps the exception of Joker, but for like 2 mins, not a big deal.
*Riddler doesn't know Bruce is Batman. The expertly crafted tension leads Batman, and the audience to think he does, but it's revealed (if one pays attention) that he doesn't. He even says to Batman during the Arkham scene, that Bruce Wayne is the only one they didn't get. Why on earth would the Riddler want to kill Bruce but think he's teaming up with Batman to rid the city of the Wayne's (and other corruption) if he "knows" he's the same person?!
*Batman doesn't detain Oz after the car chase because the police are still infested with corrupt cops, meaning he gets released instantly, and Batman can't risk another confrontation with the police.
Literally all these "issues" become moments of enjoyment when a film doesn't underestimate the audience's intelligence, and rewards patience, and attention. It's a modern classic. Sorry you couldn't enjoy it.
@@M2Mil7er Great explanation
@@bherenews "All my life, I've been invisible. I guess I won't be anymore. They'll remember me now."
Riddler wanted attention. He was mad because upon Thomas and Martha's death, all people cared about was Bruce. Then him, along with the other orphans were left starving and basically forgotten. Him surrendering and revealing his identity was a reminder of the corruption in Gotham. It didn't seem like he wanted to go on the run as a fugitive, he wanted to send a message.
Kinda like John Doe in Se7en.
only 20k views? This was an EPIC rant. With valid points. 🤘
It's not a good film. It's a bad film. Rotten Tomatoes lies like crazy about films when "necessary." Pushing woke rubbish is "necessary" in Hollywood these days. The entire movie sucked. Wrong Batman actor, he would work better as a Robin or Batgirl. :)
The movie was so bad I walked out
canonically, according to the comic books and cartoons, Batman does feel pain from bullets hitting his armor. He just works through the pain. As for the composition of his armor, it's composed of several materials that are either extremely complex and haven't actually been combined properly irl yet, or in certain cases different forms of "unobtanium" because it's a work of fiction, and the writers use impossible and improbable materials to remind us of that.
As for the riddler...well, Batman has been shown to have superior intellect in most cases. And most of Batman's villains wouldn't want to reveal Batman's identity because they enjoy playing the Hero-Villain game. On the note of not aiming at Batman's face, it's actually a matter of aiming for the biggest target, which is usually center mass.
On the note of the wire, i'll admit, that was one singular point of something not making sense, but not nearly as bad as what Snyder did to The Flash in Justice League. The riddler making a plan that ultimately backfires? That's usually how his arcs go.
I had the problem with the slow pace and the final act, for me the final act was quite messy. Most of the time Batman in these movie must rely on partner Jim Gordon and Catwoman. Other part in the movie is nicely executed.
I'm sick of people telling me I'm wrong about liking a movie. I loved this movie. You have realize this is a comic movie
Thank God, I liked the movie too
This is the best live action Batman movie sens dark knight
Hardly anyone is telling you you’re wrong. Everyone loves this stupid film. I just don’t like it. The Batman sucks. It’s like the Dollar General version of Batman Begins and TDK combined.
The riddler should have been Azrael, Falcone should have been the main villain and Bruce should have behaved like a 30yr old man instead of a perpetual teenager.
The Batman was a safe bet for WB. It's another self contained grounded take like the Nolan trilogy. There was no risk involved with releasing this movie. It's not original or new. It's just kind of there. Just OK.
I fell asleep 2 times watching the movie.
World's greatest detective didn't think to investigate where the photos were taken of the iceberg lounge. So many holes in this movie. Even more frustrating, because like you said, they nailed the first act of the movie.
Couldn't agree more, aesthetically I like this movie, and there are good things in it, but as a whole it's an overlong poorly paced mess.
Also the thing about Riddler at the end ; his motives are revealed in that Arkham scene that Riddler ultimately isn't as concerned with taking down the corrupt, as much as he is with being noticed, being "remembered " etc. As Riddler is typically a narcissist and it appeals to his ego. And he believed Gotham as a whole was beyond saving to boot. Plus Riddler flooding the city is something he's done in the comics, in Zero Year.
You can’t exactly use the comics as an excuse for why his actions in the movie are motivated, when the movie itself didn’t present riddler in that way. It’s pretty undeniable that his plan in the third act feels disjointed from the rest of the movie.
@@niklashegg again, Riddler in the film believed that Gotham was beyond saving (much like Bruce suggests that "maybe it's beyond saving" as further parallels between the characters), and you can also say that he wanted the rest of the city to feel what life was like for him, "drowning" so to speak
@@shadowprince101 okay so he just created this whole elaborate plan for no reason and to just throw it in the ditch when he decides to flood the city? They also build him up as some sort of justified vigilante killing only for that to also be thrown in the trash when he just starts killing innocent people and has a whole faceless army behind him. It felt very lazy.
Bros getting cooked in here. Thank you guys. I’m so glad we all wasted near 10 minutes together. You know I didn’t finish listening to this dude monologue. You can just as easily knit-pick the Dark Knight lmao
You can nitpick the "falling off a building scene", or "how did joker get the bus in line" but as far as having a cohesive storyline with an emotionally satisfying conclusion? This movie doesn't come close.
@@bherenews An "emotionally satisfying conclusion"? You high or something? They tried to show that Gotham was good and trying to give it an arc when we barely knew Gotham.
@@bherenews 🤡
@@Capt-mv2kw Did you not watch begins you clown.
@@Capt-mv2kw 5 months later and I guarantee this movie ain't sitting on your shelf next to dark knight 😂
And they did nothing with the whole criminal scared of the shadows concept.
I don't necessarily thinks its a horrible take on the batman but I do have a lot of questions regarding it. I typically don't like to nit pick but your told that this film is a more grounded and detective story then to me the DETAILS matter. How does a "Year 2 batman that is still learning to be batman" take 100s of military grade ammunition at point blank range without any injury or damage?? At times it feels like Matt Reeves made him superman when he wanted him to be. For instance how does this Batman take an C-4 explosion inches from his face that blows him back like 30 feet but doesn't leave any mangled jaw or burn marks, then just hours later has the ability to fight 3 cops out run 50 then base jump from the top of GPD crashes into a bridge going at least 20-30 mph.? What part of that sounds grounded???
Also why does he fight the street gang in the 1st scene that's picking on one Asian guy but have total disregard for the at least 10-15 civilian motorists that were annihilated in collisions and explosions in the car chase scene that apparently nobody had to answer for because even after the batman realized he made a mistake and had the wrong guy he let the penguin go. For a detective movie it seems the details only matter if they want it to matter. But everything else were supposed to just ignore? Like when Batman swung over to the live current wire which is dangling about 100 feet above the half drowned citizens below Batman's plan was to cut the wire to save the people from being electrocuted but common sense to us that you have to CUT THE POWER OFF in order for live electric current to stop?? Also I'm pretty sure the reason the wire is even dangling there damaged is because Batman blew the ceiling for no apparent reason other than to make a non stealth entrance which in turn made all the damaged metal beams and giant shards of glass fall onto the wires and all the people below he's trying to save?? if its a detective story I expect details to be superior and if its grounded make sure its GROUNDED CONSISTENTLY. Not when its convenient for your superhero movie.. Come on MATT REEVES I expected much better writing from you??
You realize it’s stop a fucking comic book movie correct?
Genuine retard take from someone who misunderstood the movie.
@@jellyc4164 its not a comic book movie at all
@@berbtheherb bold take. You might be the first person I’ve ever seen argue that a movie about a comic book superhero is not a comic book movie.
@@jellyc4164 it is not a comic book movie due to not respecting any comic book sources of that character
finally someone who speaks sense. this movie was so overrated and laden with so much stupidity
Batman NEEDS to wear face covering. I’m tired of seeing Batman with a normal white mouth sticking out like a soar thumb, and it can cause so many problems that are never brought up by anyone in Gotham. It would also help Batman seem more like legend then man so there shouldn’t be any problems with covering the face.
It is difficult to breathe, release heat, and communicate with a full face covering helmet. Don't ask me for a reference on this, but apparently, they've addressed this in one of the comics before, in which his proto-suit had a face covering, and the thug he was trying to intimidate couldn't take him seriously because he misheard his name as "Buttman".
@@TH-camGetsWorseAndWorse those are some really good points actually. I think most of them can be solved with a higher tech version of Batman like the XE suit from Arkham, but that wouldn’t work for a lot of versions of Batman.
@@TH-camGetsWorseAndWorse That's what they should've called this turd of a movie "The Buttman"
@@TH-camGetsWorseAndWorse This is something I actually would have preffered to see in this movie lol. Would have been cool to see a Batman with inferior armor,inferior design. Gradually grow his costume into the legendary one we know today. Thats much better than the OP armor that can take anything you throw at it. We even got that in the Nolan films. And those films were never pitched to be early Batman figuring it out.
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After watching affleck this batman seems like a wanna be ninja/vigilante
I mean he is Bruce Wayne the guy that's basically started a company that involves in all sorts of branding from military weapons to cooking equipment. So I could imagine him experimenting on different types of bulletproof fabric and mixing all of them together to make his Batman suit, he has made some outlandish Tech like his eye contacts recording everything he's doing. So it wasn't hard for me to believe that he made a suit that could withstand different types of bullets plus fireproof would have to be a thing of him going into buildings that has fire
the riddler knows Bruce is Batman tho everything hints at it lol from the fact the second he sends the bomb to Bruce and Bruce Wayne is known for never leading the tower at the same time he plans for Batman to be across the city? and the fact his sentence structure when talking to batman is funny he goes Bruce Wayne looks at him which for acknowledgment and then restarts a different train of thought for some odd reason he also has figure out Batman‘s secret identity multiple times in the comics but never tells anyone because he likes the idea that he’s the only one who knows the answer to the riddle who is the batman so
also uh the riddler got caught because he said he would be safe in the prison and he thought Batman had already solved his riddles and he was on his side? remember the riddle that was like bring him into the light and then Batman brought Falcone directly under the light so he would perfectly be able to shoot him and then the Riddler would eventually get caught he would meet up with batman and they would be safe up there waiting for the bombs to go off but batman didn’t know that because he had no idea what a carpet Tucker was lol
no. why would he lead batman away from wayne tower if he knew he was bruce? watch the movie again and pay attention
I probably would have thought all these things... if I hadn't kept falling asleep during the movie, rewinding it, and trying to remember what I had seen already and didn't. I have no clue what happened. I don't remember how they caught Riddler, why Falcone was shot, who was shooting Batman at the end, what Riddler's plan was, or why it didn't work. And I don't care. I was too bored to care.
Batman doesn't walk into a crime scene while the police are there.. he goes to crime scene to pick up stuff that police missed.....
Exactly he's taking 762 automatic shots like he's hulk when in reality he'd be smoked. The least batmna thing he can't help but walk into bullets even tho his face legs arms and balls are exposed. Who am I kidding he has no balls. He doesn't even catch riddler.
When I first watched it, I lost track of the plot half way through and just watched other reviews to bring me up to speed. Then I was like “oh wow that is a good plot great movie 👍” I guess I liked the Idea of The Batman more than The Batman. Thanks for pointing out these flaws, I probably never would’ve caught them otherwise.
I don’t even know what happened I fell asleep after 30 minutes