⭐ LG C2 OLED Evo TV Review - Is this the best OLED package of 2022?
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- The C2 is the sweet spot in the 2022 LG OLED TV line-up with an updated OLED Evo panel, Brightness Booster technology and a brand new design using composite fibre materials. Does the updated A9 Gen5 AI Processor also improve image quality? Let's find out...
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Bought 7 weeks ago. LG C2 65inch OLED in early Jan 2023. Best tv ever. Perfect for movies & high quality tv series. I come from a television production background so I was looking for perfect reproduction of what the creatives intended and LG C2 does this!!! Works well in a moderately bright room. Coupled with a good surround sound system (5.1 AV receiver) and you don’t get a better experience. I couldn’t be happier.
Very informative review, thanks. 😎🧡
The all rounder TV gets a uplift this year it look elegant wow excellent review
Excellent ... by end of this year the C2 will most probably be the OLED tv sold most (again) ... hence the most important model.
I am looking forward to your full review :-)
Love this tv
Top surreal tv the quality of imagine, waiting to arrive in Brazil 👍
good video what tv do you recommend more for video games?...which is better in contrast, color, brightness and image quality, the lg oled c2 or samsung s95b qd oled??...
I've been reading about best t.v.s for gaming and almost always this t.v. is #1. So I said screw it. Getting a 77" next month. Can't wait. Thanks for the review.
77" lol - that ain't gonna be big enough
@@ChrisM541 lol. yes it will.
@@kennybrianshjreklunke4842 hes probably trolling.. i hope so at least
Hello, for oled care settings what you suggest ?? Screen shift off and logo brightness off is true it make most accurate picture or better leave set like default ??
What anti-glare coating is used by LG C2 83', glossy or semi-glossy?
Got this tv last week love it
Me 2 love it
Grats ... I've already seen other reviews and measurements ... a fantastic tv with noticeable upgrades to last years C1 ... basically it's pretty close to the G1 with a much faster ui and massively improved DTM.
Is the LG CS6LA the same LG C2 Evo, just named different for regions? For ie, in South Africa, only the 48C2 evo avail, no 55 65 etc. However there is a LG CS6LA for 55 and 65 which seems to have same specs?
Got mine
I just got the C2 65" I have a question: Is it normal for the TV to tilt backward when mounted on the stand? It is quite noticeable.. I'm pretty sure I assembled it correctly.
what minimum size should be a tv unit/stand for this tv?
Will this work bright in a fairly bright room
Taking mine back sound vibration on back panel even at mid volume
Seems like the lower the C number; the better the deal.... I got in after the c1 was sold out. The C2 was sold out in my state. Managed to hunt one down ... 1,600 bucks, 400 more than the C1, 400 less than the C3. I have the C2 running thru a Marantz 1509, with lower end Polk 5.1 speakers. Probably wouldn't score too high in the lab... But, in real life, in my dark man cave; for my needs, this is the sweet spot! The C2 is a steal ... if you can still get it.
What about UI speed? What about forced ads?
Given the 65 inch C1 can be got for £1k less than the C2 at the moment. Is it really worth that much extra? I didn't think so, so I bought a C1
is 550 $ for a brand new jvc dla x-35 a good price?
I’m just going to stick my head in the sand and enjoy my C1.
With these newer generation RGBW Oled panels, is color better preserved at higher luminance levels (less reliance in the white sub pixel)? Also worth upgrading from an LG C8 purely for image quality?
No the higher luminance the colour is diluted and washed out.
Yes, all FOUR white subpixels are getting brighter ... also these responsible for generating red, green and blue.
There is only one limitation: red, green and blue are generated by using a colour filter on top of the white subpixels ... this colour filter absorbs about 50% of the light coming from the OLED-subpixels ... hence any increase in brightness increases RGB luminance by "only" 50%.
Example: If peak brightness goes up 100 nits ... white goes up 100 nits, but colours are going up 50 nits "only".
Nevertheless the C2 ofc is capable of noticeably showing brighter colours compared to the C1 ... precisely 20% brighter !
You need another technology for that , thank God s95b is here ,, about upgrading from c8 for picture quality alone I don't think it's worth it ,,, safe your money for upcoming techs .
Can't wait to get this C2 later this yr. It's really good for everything and cheaper then the rest. The best all around OLED
No it's not, A90J from last year is cheaper and easily beats C2. QD-OLED stomps on WOLED tho.
@@lort6022 are your slow or dilusional? Go check best buy and u will see A90j at 55inch 1,999 and the C2 at 55inch at 1,499
Excellent review as always but the thing I dont care for is build quality and the stand. Not to mention I noticed that the C2 seems thicker around the outside of the screen unlike the C1. But other then that the C2 is yet another great OLED by LG.
Yes it is a little bit bigger but is that really a problem
As OLED tvs are already almost too thin ... the C2 seems to gain some physical robustness ... which at least I am appreciating.
Besides from that the G2 has a thickness of 25mm ... but ofc noone complains about it due to it belongs to the "Gallery Series".
Basically I do not care at all as I am always looking at the tv from the front .. hence I can't notice any thickness ... even for the thicker LCD tvs this "issue" isn't one for me for the same reason.
@@MrJustmitch for me it is yes.
@@SteveSmith-cm1hxwhy?
Has anyone experienced a cracking/snapping sound that happens about 10 mins into the tv being turn on? Had my c2 for 2 years and this problem has just started.
WHICH HDMI PORT DO YOU PLUG YOUR AVR ARC IN ? NO LABLED ARC'S ON LG C3.
# 2
Can’t decide between the 65 c2 or the 55 a90j Sony for hdr movies mostly
LG
because it's still a bit more expensive then regular OLED. C2 55inch is $400 cheaper and will be even cheaper by the end of the yr
Thanks ; as excellent as it is I see no reason to buy it instead of s95b , do you see a reason ?
- Build quality
- Accuracy in game mode
- Lack of a polariser ... leading to elevated and washed-out pictures with some ambient light in place ... plus the risk of getting a reddish tint on the entire screen
- Option for deactivating DTM in game and other modes
- over 9 years matured tech and tv vs a first year tech and product (with high potential but many teething problems)
... to just name the the most obvious ones
The S95B is a non-finished product ... it always is a very high risk relying on a first year product.
@@marcuscole8796 maybe .
@@marcuscole8796 fully agree! 💯
Honestly stuck between the Sony a80k 65” and the C2 65” 😅 Can’t decide!
LG..always a better value then Sony overpriced TVs
I don't game...love movies and sport! What would be the best TV for me?
Sony probably, try and get an A90J from last year it's better than C2 for movies and sports for sure.
This may well be my next TV.
Does anyone know what is the name of the track played at the end of this video?
same here😊
Autonomic by valente
The LG Oled G29LA Evo is the best tv 2022
what is the current reference TV?
There are not enough reviews out yet ! ... so far the LG G2 is the build quality, picture quality, gaming and convenience reference ... but Sony A95K and Panasonic LZ2000 are important and maybe even better candidates.
"Better" of course always depends on the individual priorities and requirements ... there is no "better" per se ... "better in regard of what" is the important keyword/question here ;-)
Regarding build quality and picture quality the Sony and the Panasonic may turn out equal or even better ... but none of them will be able to compete re gaming and convenience with the G2 imho.
Hey guys wonder if someone can help
I have somy 65 A8H, already broken in past 200 hours. Decently bright in HDR/DV
. looking at a 77 c2. Is it that much better of a tv. I know motion and brightness would make a difference for sure
In fact the C2 is another (a higher) category of a tv ... it :
- has a 40% larger picture (77" vs 65")
- is a massive 200 nits brighter in HDR (842 vs 643 nits)
- is a massive 100 nits brighter in SDR (422 vs 316 nits)
- has four HDMI 2.1 ports vs zero
- uses the full standard Dolby Vision vs the measly "Low Latency" ("player-led") version
- offers a "Filmmaker Mode"
- offers a optional dynamic tone mapping feature
- motion, upscaling and gradation are similar to the Sony A90J ... hence better or at least equal to the A8H
- uses the newer 2021 panel (so-called "evo") resulting in less energy consumption, less temporary image retention and lower risk for burn in
- has massive gaming support with all 3 types of VRR ... A8H: zero
- input lag is up to 2 times shorter (5.2ms vs 10.5ms w/ 120Hz signal)
- has a better remote with mouse pointer and scroll wheel
- has the option of showing 21:9 and 32:9 aspect ratios when using a pc
- has a picture-in-picture option
The list is not complete but mentions the most obvious and important advantages...
@@marcuscole8796 you make some pretty good points sir lol
200nits
Full DV signal
40 bigger screen
Cinematic movement option
And way better digital cinema colours
Those are probably my selling points
I would love to watch the boys in filmmaker mode
For gaming a have 1ms 144hz Asus 27 for my ps5
@@polishdude001 Glad it helped ... you may use it as a starting point for your own research(es) :-)
Thanks for such a great review!!
I don't get why your review on the G2 found it to peak at 911 nits whilst the C2 only delivers 743 nits -shouldn't the panel be the same?
No, there are two major differences:
1. the G2 has a large heatspreader installed ... C2: none
2. the G2 uses the very latest panel "EX" whereas the C2 "only" the 2021 introduced so-called "evo" panel
The panel alone allows for 10% higher peak brightness ... and the heatspreader (based on e.g. the Panasonics differences with heatspreader) for about 25% ... which totals to +35% more luminance potential of the G2.
The difference in peak luminances is more obvious in "Cinema Mode" ... Phil uses "Filmmaker Mode" here ... which is more accurate but dimmer.
Rtings measured in "Cinema mode" with a 16:9 full screen real video scene:
G2: 1,165 nits
C2. 842 nits
...which calculates to the expected +38% in peak brightness
@@marcuscole8796 you're legend. Thanks for such a detailed and clarifying answer. Kudos
@@hicnuncfilmworks3516 My pleasure, thanks ... glad it helped :-)
A general recommendation: Phil is a fantastic and competent reviewer and calibrator and I agree to every word coming from him regarding his analysis and findings ... but there is one single measurement I always check out first and to some extent is overall the most relevant for me: Rtings "Real Scene Highlights" for "HDR Brightness".
Reason: all these 2% and 10% window measurements are mainly meant for and used by engineers allowing them to review and perform their development and quality control work ... and ofc calibrators for their calibration process.
As I never watch small white or coloured rectangles in my living room ... and as the screen is not entirely used ... these are not relevant for normal use imho.
This Rtings measurement is by far the closest to my movie watching I have seen on YT ... I'd just wish they'd also measure it for Filmmaker Mode ... usually they use "Cinema Mode" only ... which is ofc fine and already sufficient :-)
@@marcuscole8796which one would you purchase ? C2 or g2? Is it worth extra ? Thanks
@@Sandsmell I already purchased the 77G2 ... it arrived about 40 minutes ago ;-)
A big YES ... the G2 is definitely worth the very small (or even not existing) price premium over the C2 ... both 65" (C2 & G2) are currently around 2,600€ at trustworthy dealers where I live ... so it's definitely a no brainer here !
The reasons I partially already mentioned in my first post ... these are:
1. 38% higher peak brightness (as already being measured ... and being technically comprehensible due to: heatspreader +25% , "EX"-panel +10% ... totalling to +35%).
2. heatspreader ... allowing for much higher brightness (see above , +25%), more relaxed ABL and ASBL, less intensive and faster disappearing image retention, further increased burn in risk, elongated longevity ... all due to hotspots and uneven temperatures in the panel are massively reduced.
3. latest "EX"-panel vs 2021 "EVO"-panel (which drives the 10% brightness difference in LGs marketing for "Brightness Booster" vs "Brightness Booster Max")
4. 5 year warranty ... including the panel !!!
As said there isn't even a price mark up were I live ... but I would even have spend 500€ (65") more without hesitation to get these advantages ... but ofc this is something everyone has to decide for himself ... if the wallet allows for deciding :-)
🤙🏼🤙🏼
Yes or no to have it for £1850 from LG? Il just put it under my house contents insurance as LG warranty is only 1 yeae
Get the G2 ... better in many ways ... plus 5 years warranty (which seems to be important for you). The price premium is worth it.
Update: the G1 also offers this 5 year warranty ... and is a fantastic tv ... one of the top performers from 2021 ... and pretty cheap atm.
Magic remote is miles better (functionally and design wise) than those fancy minimalist remotes with 4 buttons and a direction keypad, which are also plastic BTW and almost unusable with a smart OS...
I fully agree ... but having lit buttons would be a very nice upgrade ... maybe for next year^^
@@marcuscole8796 True. Even adding solar charging would be great, but not at the detriment of usability, like Samsung did with their remote that now resembles those small ones you get with a soundbar...
Are you high? Pretty much nobody likes the crappy LG remotes. Magic remote is pure garbage and feels cheap as hell, and I say this even tho I have 2x LG OLEDs. Remote was replaced with the standard remote on both because magic remote is horrible to use and feels cheaper than even LGs standard remote which is bundled with their cheapest TVs. So sad. The cursor is pointless.
@@lort6022 The amount of nonsense you just typed is appalling - nobody in his right mind would say the standard remote feels more premium or is better. And I have both of them in multiple generations. Not to mention the cursor makes the OS way less irritating than for example that shoddy cheap feeling Samsung small remote that you have to click 3 times as much to use some standard functions, as reported by numerous reviews. Go troll somewhere else.
Is there an Evo and a none Evo model?
Evo models are 55inch and up
C2 vs sony a80k, what is better? The a80k is evo panel too?
We'll see ... in July or early August ... the A80K is not released yet.
C2 is better.
@@Pittaz the most say that sony is better on motion interpolation forever
@@scormx2644 That's a thing from the past ... because C2 and G2 got a new processor in 2022 and already surpassed last years A90J regarding video processing.
As the A80K will NOT get an upgraded processor but last years XR processor, it will show the identical video processing as the A90J (more or less) ... hence the C2 will probably be better than the A80K in 2022 ... or at least on par.
A90J is cheaper than C2 but beats it.
is this tv have 10 bit colour panel
Yes
I was considering getting this tv in a 77 inch or the Sony A80K 77 inch, I get close to $1000 off at my job for both. Being that im a huge gamer I’m leaning for towards the C2 because of its gaming features
If you have the ps5, then the sony gaming features would be more adequate
@@polishdude001 ye I have a ps5 and series x . Right now I have the Samsung Q7FN in a 65 inch that I’ve been using since 2019
and why on earth would you think anyone would or should care what TV you might get? This isn't the "What TV will Vival get" channel....
@@slowery43 you just did.
@@slowery43 🧂
My choices still goes to LG. There the only one that support full hdmi 2.1 support. And nowadays you just need that
What? Don't Samsung's 2022 8K and 4K neo-QLEDs and the S95B support full HDMI 2.1 support on all 4 HDMI ports.
@@mi-kv3vm S95B only 2 HDMI 2.1
@@nunoumbelino891No. It has 4 full speed HDMI 2.1 ports. The ports support everything LG's G2 and C2 OLEDs support, same with Samsung QN900B/QN800B and QN85/90/95B Neo-QLEDs.
@@nunoumbelino891 It even unofficially supports 144 Hz...
@@nunoumbelino891 no. All 4 ports are 2.1
Can't wait to get the QD Oled from Sony when the price drops. I currently have the C1 and it's a fantastic TV but I hate tweaking the settings. Sony is better out the box
What are you tweaking on your C1 ? .... My C7 I set up once 5 years ago and just used it since without modifying any setting.
yea better at lagging, sony tvs are garbage with their high input lag
Do you find crushing black ?
@@marcuscole8796 don't know the technical terms but I find colours pop too much during night games (baseball & football) and look more natural during day games. Very impressive TV though. Highly recommend it.
@@user-dz4ty5tj7q Ah OK ... I am not gaming on my tv ... only on PC with monitor ... hence there might be some kind of "mismatch" with game mode I can't tell.
But I fully agree: a fantastic tv with still having 120Hz BFI (other than C2) ... which is important for many gamers.
Are you using DTM on or off ?
WRGB OLED on the C2 cannot produce the same colour volume as the QD-OLED. Physically impossible
lol
Nah C1 is the best package.
especially for that price!
Yes, this review is bullocks, but they did give the C1 their television of the year award last year.
Look how they massacred that awesome pedestal stand of the C1 with this generic samsung-like stand 😖
Hang it on the wall problem solved...
I agree
Wall mount it, problem solved🤷♂️
One reason I went for c1 🤣
@@Ben-kp6bp outstanding move
G2 is much better. C2 is more like midend. If you want cheaper, get a C1 or G1 intead of the C2 because it's not really better than those, G2 is the absolute best LG can do with WOLED so far.
Samsungs QD-S95B must be better than the C2 I guess
I guess that's what we will see in the full review :-)
Besides from that the C2 is a technically extremely matured tv thoroughly improved over the past 5 years ... where this first year tech and tv are showing a high potential, but most probably have some flaws to be ironed out next year and in 2024.
Buying a S95B or maybe even a A95K will for sure have a higher risk ... also for longevity.
At least it's an advantage QD-OLED doesn't have to drive the subpixels as hard for reaching high colour brightness ... and the heatspreader of the A95K will also help ... hence both will help to make S95B and especially the A95K more robust.
@@marcuscole8796 this is true I suppose. I'm just not sure which one I want to go with haha 😅
@@TearsofJoy69er lol ... yes ... the more options we have the harder it gets :-)
S95B, A95K and G2 stomps on C2, no comparison at all. C2 is mid-end in comparison to those high-end sets. Only a C2 owner would say otherwise because in 6 months the C2 will cost what C1 does not; Almost nothing.
I think that the C1 has better picture quality ,e.g., contrast, depth, gradation, and 4K image quality/processing. The things that matter to me are better on the C1, but the C2 does have better color volume over all else. It's a better value for the money, and I prefer the heavier, sturdy build quality of the C1 as well. All this BS hype circulating around the Ai Gen-5 processor and WBE "Evo" EX panel this year was not a thing last year, and it makes sense in multiple ways (not in good ways). From what I can tell right now, unless you like to throw around money, you should get a C1 or have one already. Don't go buying a new TV every year for the sake of your "other room." As far as I can tell, LG needs help with the C2, and why not give them that extra boost when they're in need. The C1 is cheaper and selling like hotcakes at the moment -- this is good for LG. The only reviews for the C2 and G2 on Google are fake, and the sales seem to be struggling significantly compared to last year, C1 getting in the way or not. Anyway, colors on the C1 appear more natural and realistic, and this can barely be fixed when discussing color on the C2. Any black crush or gamma issues on the C1 can be fixed, but some details are obviously conveniently missed for the sake of semantics. The ABL is less noticeable on the C1, but it can come down to opinion ... . The C1, in my opinion, has better motion interpolation (on or off), i.e., less artifacts, but they're similar enough -- stutter is essentially the same. You may get an overall 5-7 percent boost in brightness, but the 20% claim is reinforced marketing -- it's mostly through dynamic tone-mapping. Even then, there is no 20% boost. The DTM option is far more aggressive this year, but I suppose that you can say that this is a win for the C2. The upscaling is a little bit better for SD content on the C2, but HD content and above looks nigh-on identical when it comes to upscaling alone. I can go into the reasons why I believe this, but I have tested the televisions in person. I have also read plenty of reviews (some being dishonest in various ways) and seen numerous side-by-sides, too. I suppose that it could be marketing ... or it could be personal preference/graph readings of certain metrics, e.g., shadow detail, gamma, and APL. To me, I have an opinion, and I also look at how the television appears as a whole. These metrics mean little if I can make the television look good, and oftentimes, these metrics do little to make the television actually look better, etcetera. Regardless, it is just an opinion; however, it's not like I am likely to change anyone else's stern opinion either. Even then, the C1 looks better to me and does certain thinks better (BFI included); this has been my conclusion from the last couple of months. Certain things must be considered, but I understand that reviewers can miss things or not find them a big deal. (There's no need to stick your head in the sand.) The televisions are essentially the same, other than what I have mentioned here. And no, this is not justifying anything! This review will not change it, but all the power to you, I suppose. I can go on, but who cares what I think. Try to enjoy your television without allowing someone -- them or you -- to make you think that it's not good enough, intentional or not. If someone wants to disagree or finds this "opinion" blasphemous, then have fun, but it will not accomplish anything. It's a reviewers job to be honest (to some degree) and sell products; some cannot. Anyway, have a good day, and please enjoy your TVs. Don't fall for LG's marketing ploys, and keep yourself steady. New things are around the corner; they are not always better.
I agree about that reviewers are honest to some degree , they only want to talk positively about new products ,, I never saw them say this year model is worse than last year ,,, but even then I can still have some benefit of them : for example you say it yourself last year x1 needs calibration to fix out of box crushing black ( no way I can do it ) nor I care about accuracy measurements and not to mention motion ; all what I care about is brighter picture with no problems out of box 😉 and I see no reason why would anyone buy these things when a better technology is in the other room with similar price .
@@fullhd5277 I understand.
@@fullhd5277 How could a new model possibly be worse than last years ? ... in the worst case e.g. for saving money at max. they just need to put the old stuff into a new case ... and that's it. It will be the identical product quality and performance ... but no way it will be worse !
Making it worse would require development and validation cost to get there ... literally noone would go for such an approach.
@@marcuscole8796 quality control , build quality ,, inside parts quality ,,, video processing ; picture performance ( almost everything can be worse ) .
@@fullhd5277 Not in real life ! ... every change (in materials or supplier, production process, panel control software) requires manpower and investment to get it in place ... it is costly to implement changes ... it doesn't matter whether it's for good or for bad.
That's why you are losing money at first ... prior to getting a benefit from an installed saving ... believe it or not, exactly this was one of my jobs: calculating break even points for planned savings in production, whether it finally leaves a real saving and how high that will be (if the projected sales volumes turn out to be correct).
Assuming quality automatically goes down for whatever reason ... as you claim ... is nonsense ! ... yes, it does through wear of the used equipment ... but this takes years and even decades for some specific operations.
C2 is not good imo. Previous models are better.
Finally they cancelled that horrible pedestal
lg or Sony mmmm
At this point its like why bother when you got the Samsung oled
Why bother? Because the Samsung 95B is not accurate in color where as the C2 is. If your into oversaturated colors the the Samsung is for you.
It’s all about the size. I love the vibrant colors on the QD Oleds, but capping at 65" is just not for me when I am sitting at a 4m distance.
@@PowerNapMan it's like comparing 200mph to 202mph. All these OLEDs are vibrant.
@@SteveSmith-cm1hx According to the recent HDTVTest video, Samsung's latest firmware update has corrected the shortcomings found in it's initial review.
My concern with the S95B is the flimsy external build quality of the panel which makes one wonder about the quality, and longevity of the internal components.
@@terrym540 Samsung fixed "Filmmaker Mode" only ... you still can't enjoy gaming with accurate colours and brightnesses ... and game mode is even worse than the other still distorted modes.
Your other concerns I am fully sharing :-)
It ain't an Evo panel...
Yes it is.
the 42 inch models are the ones that are WBC, or at least, lottery.
LG is falling behind QD-OLED. ABL, less colour over 600 Nits HDR brightness and a low BT 2020 is not state of the art.
QD-Oled current max size is 65”, end of discussion/
@@tears2040 why would that end the discussion?
You are absolutely correct. Wrgb has always been flawed now it's finally improved with qoled. To me wrgb is now irrelevant and second class. These TVs should be positioned as budget oled. If I wanted a bigger screen I'd simply wait till next year.
72% 2020 coverage vs 90% in the S95B.
@@tears2040 This is very easy to solve. I wait till next year and a 77er QD-OLED is in the shop.