The thing is most people on here don’t understand all the technical jargon,all we want is the best picture settings that show a vibrant picture within reason.You obviously know your stuff and as a fellow Scot I wish you well.I just ordered an LG G2 55 from box and get it tomorrow for a fabulous price of £1,387 including a £100 limited promotion.
I can confirm that the G1 accuracy with Auto Cal 40pts grayscale and 9pts CMS is extremely accurate I was surprised with my results excellent review man
@@micker9830 honestly the price difference makes me feel like the s95b will be a better competitor. The same screen with sonys processing and heatsink will definitely 1 up the g2.
@@micker9830 very true. My concern really is that we don't know the true lifespan of qd oled and this is technically the first iteration of it so its basically a beta test. I'm sure picture will be better from what reviewers have said about seeing them both before release but in the end its still brand new tech.
@@micker9830 for gaming LG G2 will be king over Any TV this year yes even the Sony A95k because sony doesn’t care about gaming now processor yes the new sony but not gaming
Incredible year to buy a TV I love oleds , improve oleds this year , first generation qd oled , improve mini leds , and first generation mini led from Sony.
Waiting for someone to do a G2 vs A90J head to head comparison. Both have heatsinks so it comes down to the processing and if LG improved it enough. Still expecting the Sony to look better but we will see
I can't wait to get this delivered, I'm currently running a C8 and I've been wanting VRR since the Xbox started supporting it. Hopefully places start getting stock soon!
The panasonic will still (or again) offer the more cinematic and accurate experience for movie enthusiasts ... hence being the No. 1 choice ! Panasonic will always be on the upper side here due to their deep and wide involvement into movie creation and studio support. No other brand tries to (and is able to) stay this close to what the director's are seeing on their mastering monitors. Considering every single property going along with a tv on the other hand ... the LG will (as usual) show no weaknesses whereas the Panasonic will again show some small weaknesses (app support, gaming support, no of HDMI 2.1, firmware updates, a.s.o) ... which will not be of enough importance for the mentioned specific Panasonic clientele to be disappointed with it. But that's (just) my own subjective opinion :-))
excellent review!! The panel looks incredible. i am curious as to how it measures/compares with the Sony Master Series a90j? Your professional opinion. Thanks!
Been a member of AVSforum for 20 years, cool to see a youtube channel. Great time to be an AV nerd. QD-OLED on the horizon and the best of WOLED on display here. I have a pre-order for the A95K right now, but would be lying if I said I was worried about the Sammy, or even the G2, being the better option for FAR less money. Time will tell I suppose.
With the G2 stand how much space does it have between the bottom of the TV and stand? I've got a soundbar with a height of 5.7cm will that cut off the bottom of the TV
Now we just need to see samsung and sony with this qd oled and we can make up our minds here In the US but I would say if your not hooking a game system to this then there is better options out there like a90j
What about the motion? Another Reviewer showed that the C2 had worst motion than the C1, lots of artifacts. Is it the case with the G2? I'm watching alot of hockey and I wouldn't want to see this during my viewing...
Motion is excellent with TruMotion switched off for 24fps and 50hz broadcast. I can't speak for other reviewers who may have different testing procedures and not test it as accurate.
There is some confusion regarding the response time. Some websites even the reliable ones tell that its 9.4 ms, which is weird. Could you have any insight on this?
You should not use the term "response time" when talking about "input lag" ... because you can get easily mixed up with "pixel response time" which is somewhere around 0.1ms for every OLED tv.
I've been hearing it may be as good or better than the Sony A90J. is this possible? maybe as far as gaming features it's better but what about the rest of the use cases? Movies TV streaming etc.?
@@janduller4722 I figured LG was going to go all out this year to get back at Sony A90J for taking the crown of King of TV'S last year. Honestly I don't know how much the feet for the LG G2 cost but I wouldn't be surprised if they were at least 100.00 dollars or more.
This is a great review Phil. If you Apple movies purchased off iTunes, do you need a subscription to Apple TV+ or an Apple TV box to play them? I saw an Apple TV app tile on screen, so hopefully one can simply log into that. Keep up the great work AVF
@@avforums thanks for the feedback , since this is very close to the performance of the xr chip found in the a90j, would say that this is superior compared to the x1 chip from the Sony a8h?
Hopefully the online review will have a comparison to the Sony A90J and Panasonic JZ2000/JZ1500. If not then HDTVtest review will be in depth with comparisons to last year's top OLEDs.
@Rick Deckard Brightness too: Phil Hinton: G2 - 912 nits , A90J - 749 nits Vincent Teoh: G2 - 930 nits , A90J - 775 nits The G2 both measured in "Filmmaker Mode" ... the A90J with the setting matching closest with the EOTF curve ... both tvs calibrated to D65 whitepoint.
The stand Phil Hinton has installed to the G2 is THE brandnew official G series table top stand developed and sold (separately) by LG. As you can see the stand adopts the great C series design (and replaces the ugly duck feet design of GX and G1) ... it adds swivelling and comes along with cable management covers for the tv and the stand. Unfortunately it provides a 4 degree leanback to the screen ... which many (including me) do not like :-( Right now the stand only gets supplied to some reviewers (as far as I understood) ... it is not (yet) available in shops ... but will be soon.
Nice just gets a little bit brighter if you have the c8 CX c1 and so on your fine the picture quality it’s about the same You still get the crushed black scenes as well. Just roll back this video to the horses seen standing in the snow and on a accurate display the horses are not dark black they are brown
You really shouldn't use video footage on TH-cam to assess the image quality of a TV. If you are happy with your older model LG then that's great, but the G2 is a marked improvement in a number of areas over the G1 and C1, CX. Just above black is one of those areas and there is no crushed black at all. You can see that within the measurements, don't judge on video footage that is compressed to hell and difficult to expose correctly using a camera with limited dynamic range. Video processing is also a step up on the G2. You can find out more in my full written review on AVForums.
@@avforums hello does your comment of we shouldn’t use TH-cam videos to judge a TV picture quality applies to you when you’re using TH-cam video to show people that is the best TV ever? I have already seen this TV compared side-by-side with the c1 and the differences is very minimal the only minor difference is the brightness the c2 TV is calibrated to be brighter this year also the colors is a little more saturated because the TV gets a little brighter the processing picture quality is the same
If you read the review it’s only noticeable in a 100% window and not noticeable in normal viewing. Probably has to do with some type of anti glare coating I assume? Who knows, but it’s not a big deal
I really don't know how dim the high-end OLED's can really be for me personally. My LED is at 0% brightness, and it still feels too bright sometimes. If an OLED is brighter than that, my eyes might burn in lol
This stand is the new G series table top stand. It replaces the G1/GX "duck feet" stand. This new stand provides swivelling, creates a 4 degree tilt-back for the screen and comes with cable management covers. As the previous stand it is optional ... means it has to be purchased separately. The G2 itself comes with the wall mount bracket supplied ... like G1 and GX.
@@shadyandrei Whether DV provides a visible benefit mainly depends on the quality (mastering) of the used content ... in some cases the benefit is massive ... e.g. "The Mandalorian" on Disney+ In any case ... for a technology introduced in 2016 it seems to be a "must" being implemented in current tvs ... especially in expensive ones like the S95B.
@@marcuscole8796 agreed, especially as Dolby Vision seems to the the standard for most films as opposed to HDR10+ which never really took off. Even games in the future will be Dolby Vision compatible
@@jayroman3384 What we learned in the meantime: it's irrelevant for the S95B whether it is able to handle DV or not ! The S95B got proven to immediately destroy "Filmmaker Mode" by it's default factory calibration and behaviour ... and ... even more important by it's "always on" DTM which can not be deactivated. It's pretty clear therefore the S95B will immediately also destroy DV for the same reason (the undefeatable DTM) ... even the DV content LUT set up by Dolby Laboratories (not Samsung VD) would not help here.
How I would love to own a 83 inch or bigger sadly my budget only allows me to have bought last years LG C1 65in which seems a bit small but something’s better than nothing very happy overall with it for 1699.99$ I couldn’t pass it up
Congrats ... You not only got a fantastic tv but also outstanding "value for money" at the same time ... tip: move your seating closer and you'll get the identical immersion you'll have with a 83" but larger viewing distance :-) From my own experience with my 65" OLED tv: you need to sit as close as 2.80 mtrs. to be able to spot a difference between 4K (UHD) and 2K (FullHD) ... with close to 2 mtrs. you'd get the full benefit from your 4K material from Netflix and/or Disney+...
When I first bought my 65 C1(WBE panel) I was put off from the pink/magenta tint specially on the left side that it was a mixed pink and blue colour with bad uniformity. I am used to it now but in all honesty I will not buy another LG. I am not bothered about the pink but it is not uniform. Some places on the screen are blue not pink and LG said is within spec(of course they will say that). I am not excited about Samsung's QD OLED but LG is a disappointment in bright uniformity! I am enjoying my TV immensely bit I did not get what I paid for!
@@thexboxfurry745 TV shops where I come from, do not exchange a TV set just because of the preference of the customer. I need to prove that there is something wrong with the TV. So I took it to LG electronics technical partner(official LG repair shop) and they got in touch with LG. LG said that this is within technical specs although they could see the pink. They said they are all like that. Of course they lied because I saw other C1s and they were not like that with such a degree of bad uniformity. Bad CS from LG and good news for Samsung that will be my next QD OLED TV. I here that the white of the TV is actually white which should not have been an issue for LG in the 21st century!.
Fortunately he does ... if not we would be in deep trouble, because tvs and technology would have stopped to improve. Of course improvements turn up on a yearly basis because tv models have this cycle ... I don't see the issue !
We don't know until we test it. There is a lot of hype, but we will wait and see for ourselves. I have seen the Sony in person and it is impressive for colour, but it is no brighter.
Pink tinge on the panel is unforgivable at this price point - perhaps it can be remedied with a firmware update…A table stand should be standard for this premium set, and that remote is horrid. Thanks so much for this review, this isn’t the TV for me.
The pink tint is apparently only on 65 inch models and not every time and then ever so slightly. It's the G-series "Gallery" it is meant to hang and comes with a wall mount. The remote is built with high accessibility in mind, which is nice. there are cheap, better looking remotes to buy separately and should not be a dealbreaker for such a nice TV.
It's not bad at all. I even bought a Sonos Beam Gen 2 for it and ended up returning it because i liked the sound of the TV better. The Sonos sounded better in the low end ofcourse, but also way "boxier". How's that? :) I really love this TV by the way, you won't regret it.
The G2 can do 900+ nits in all presets white being calibrated to the industry standard D65 white point. The A90J can do 900+ nits while calibrated to D65 but only in the vivid preset.. outside of that preset it averages around 750 nits.
@@xXRaffleXx ok i dont know about the A90j but the LG C8 is brighter than the G2 according to rtings and this review. So why everybody says the G2 is the brightest OLED yet? I wanted to buy the G2 but I'm not sure if it's worth it since my C8 is already amazing and very bright. Unless the C8 is only 979nits in vivid mode?
Phil Hinton measured the 65C8 with 740 nits ... I really don't know why always these insane, unrealistic numbers are popping up !? You need calibrated measurements in the identical picture mode ... otherwise these values can't be compared at all !!! I'm pretty sure with the useless setting the C8 achieved 979 nits with ("Vivid" most probably) ... the G2 will easily hit more than 1000 nits ... but both are irrelevant because not usable for watching a movie or playing a game. Stupid. Supplement: found out the 979 nits are a 2% window not a 10% window measured by Rtings ... picture mode unclear ... plus Rtings measured 666 nits "Real Scene Peak Brightness" on the C8 ... which might be the actual comparable value to the 912 nits "Filmmaker Mode" value of the G2
@@kiellieferickson5506 the whites have a pink and blue tint to it. The greys have a red tint to it, once the lights are off you will see all the vertical lines and the tint will be more obvious.
Samsung can get stuffed. They don't support Dolby Vision because they're trying to make their own standard #1. It's not going to happen. I have a Samsung Q60 and I will be replacing it with the G2.
Does anyone know if LG OLEDS of this year will be compatible with PS5’s upcoming Vrr function? As far as I’ve come to understand PS5 will be supporting "HDMI Forum Vrr" - not freesync nor g-sync. 🤔 I’m really confused about it and no one at the tv stores know the answer to my question. I’m considering buying a LG G2 this year, but only if it is fully compatible with my PS5. I don’t want a A90j because it only has 2 2.1hdmi ports - and I think 4 2.1hdmis port seem a bit more future-proof.
It absolutely should be compatible. LG OLEDs since 2019 have had the accolade of supporting all forms of VRR. The PS5's upcoming "VRR" function is basically Sony just adding what's called "Forum VRR" (alternatively called HDMI Forum VRR) to their PS5. This VRR is a generic standard that comes with HDMI 2.1. This "Forum VRR" is used by consoles; it's already being used for the Xbox Series X/S. The other two, G-Sync and Freesync, are VRR standards that are only used by PC gamers using either an Nvidia or AMD graphics card respectively.
Fully agreed ... I already bought a 3rd party VESA stand for my upcoming G2 ... which has 0 degree lean-back (although I very much like the design of the new official stand...)
Nice video..bit over my head some of it though. Im begging to see how well the qd oled does up against it. Shame to hear the colours get washed out again at peak brightness, this is where the G2 may lose to the A95K or S95B.
The G2 can achieve 500 to 600 nits with pure RGB ... that's far more than required, because you'll not find Reds , Greens or Blues with 1000nit in any content. Usually 400 nit is already sufficient ... more than this is only required for white or close to white specular highlights.
@@sj460162 Yes, some technical issues or properties are entirely overrated ... because they are irrelevant for normal use. We always have to be sceptical ... especially with hypes like the current QD-OLED hype. I as well am very curious about the A95K and the S95B and whether they can actually derive some noticeable/visible benefits for normal use/watching ... in theory it should be possible ... I would in fact love to see tv tech evolving with a clearly visible effect for the user ... QD-OLED is a chance ... we'll see. From my own 5 years (16,000 hrs) using a WRGB-OLED I can assure you ... colours on this OLED are no way washed out ... it's the exact opposite: I never had such brilliant, pure and intensive colours on any of my previous tvs ... on OLED tvs colours always pop because they are not diluted by backlight bleeding as on every LCD tv (local dimming doesn't work with colours at all ... it needs to be deactivated for these pixels) ... it doesn't matter whether it's a WRGB-OLED, a RGB-OLED or a QD-OLED.
@@sj460162 Glad my comments are of value for you ... and I seem to have provided some facts and opinions interesting for you and worth you may dig in further on your own. At the end of the day in your own interest you have to (only) rely on what you found out yourself ... there is too many fanboys and "biased" enthusiasts out there. Although I am trying to look into all aspects, properties and developments brands are achieving ... I have to admit I am also not entirely free of (slight) bias ... although I appreciate all brands equally ... LG will always have a "bonus" on my side because they gave us (at all or as the very first): functional and affordable OLED tvs (9 years ago), 4K OLED tvs, large screen size OLED tvs, HDR & Dolby Vision (2016), DTM, HDMI 2.1 ports, great app support, a.s.o. (I am not happy with their LCD tvs tho^^) ... at least ... even if not buying one of their tvs ... they deserve any respect for what they contributed to us enthusiasts. If interested I can recommend my way of collecting reliable and valueable information: What is extremely important is: the reviewer MUST be a ISF certified calibrator ... owning the required hardware and also the (trained) knowledge to calibrate a tv to industry standards and references ... and actually measure these tvs then. There are too many "enthusiasts" out there doing reviews with uncalibrated tvs using picture modes they have no idea how accurate these are and what the mode actually does to the picture. In other words: the results of these "just enthusiast" reviewers are of no value because they are random and not traceable... The sources I use are: - this channel here^^ ... Phil Hinton (AVForums , YT channel and homepage) - HDTVTest ... Vincent Teoh (YT channel , also UK as Phil) - Rtings (USA, YT-channel + homepage) I wait and use all the information I can derive from all three sources ... then I kind of "blend" this information ... and as a result I am convinced having enough and especially reliable and valueable data ... for basing a purchase decision on it.
Is it me or do I see stutter when the Joker moves his head? I mean I'm eyeing the G2, but if in these types of scenes we can already count on stutter...🤐 Please tell me I'm wrong.
You can't judge a TV through YT, there are far too many things that can make a difference. I think you can't tell until it's in your room, bedded in and set to your personal preferences. Quality reviews will highlight any issues though
Pan - www.amazon.co.uk/Pan-4K-Ultra-HD-Blu-ray/dp/B01CQT9TNQ/ it's utter drivel, but is a 4000 nit master HDR10 with Dolby Atmos audio and a well used demo disc
@@avforums I tried to google not possible to find… in Sweden LG dont know yet also… I can buy from monday G2, but stand not… maybe you recommend some alternatives, maybe previus models stand’s compatible?
@@Jamolt- 3rd party VESA stands are always an option ... and these do not have the horrible 4 degree tilt-back as a bonus :-) The VESA mount is 300x200 on the 55"G2 and 300x300 for the 65"G2... They will as well be cheaper, because the original stand can be expected to be somewhere between $100 and $150 ... all 3rd party stands are below $100 and even below $50
@@Jamolt- np ... it's the same for me ... the VESA stand for the G2 is already delivered^^ ... now I am waiting for availability and prices to come down. As I own a 65C7 for 5 years by now (and love it) ... I am not in a hurry :-)
@v cam While there’s no reviews yet, how do we think the A80K will compare? I simply want the best 77” OLED of the year, and the only competitors in that spot seem to be the A80K and the G2.
5:23 this is where ABL kicks in... Brighter HDR Scenes with Dark HDR Scenes you can see It flashes late (fluctuate) The ABL behavior like this only applies on Bright HDR Grade Content with Dark Scenes next in the scenes in the low frame rates 24p like movies you can see it. But if its SDR no there's no behavior like this.
What a joke the Panasonic oled from last year 2021 already surpassed them with max brightness 930 nits and this was without a so called EX panel from the brand LG :P
This is not correct ... Phil Hinton measured the JZ2000 with 877 nits ... not 930 nits. Rtings measured the G2 with the relevant "Real Scene Highlights" using calibrated "Cinema Mode" with 1,165 nits !!! For the same measurement the Sony A90J achieved 712 nits (777 nits in "Vivid Mode"). (Unfortunately) Rtings didn't review the JZ2000 because Panasonic is not available in the North American market. The "Filmmaker Mode" of the G2 ... seems to massively limit the brightness performance of the G2. As of Rtings the "Cinema Mode" is very accurate even "out of the box" and close to perfect after calibration.
@@wblebon OK then ... I also checked Phil's review of the JZ1500 ... his measurements are: 877 nits 10% window dropping to 143 nits with full screen white. These are fantastic values and Panasonic (besides creating the most cinematic tvs) was always leading in peak brightness since the GZ2000 introduced heatsinks ... but the G2 is insane in comparison ... not in "Filmmaker Mode" tho (what Phil used) but in the as well accurate "Cinema Mode" ... almost 300 nits more ! ... for sure: not even in the most brightest mode the JZ2000/1500 will come somewhere close to these 1165 nits. Furthermore the value for "100% Sustained Window" is 190 nits on the G2 ... which (compared to the JZ1500's 143 nits) is precisely the identical +33% more brightness we see on the peak brightness side ... fact is: the G2 always is 33% brighter ... it doesn't matter which testscreen is used !
@@wblebon Really ? ... you are on Phil's channel, you are watching Phil's G2 review ... you can find the review video of the JZ1500 on his channel here ... for the written reviews (JZ1500 and JZ2000) you have to visit his homepage (Phil provided the link to "AVForums" on top of this site here in the supplement). When on AVForum's homepage click on: "Reviews" - "TVs" - "OLED TVs and pick the review you want from the appearing list. Sorry, I can't post the links ... I tried it but YT deleted the post with links.
@@junior-OG I am wondering how much he (Robert Kelly) gets paid by Sony. This spamming of Sony promotion and LG discrediting he's doing for more than a year now ... on several channels.
Peak brightness after calibration to D65 is higher than A90J. The A90J in Vivid mode is still brighter in short bursts, but Vivid is a junk mode for PQ.
@@Sansho54 thing is it’s very difficult to get a good Nits reading from an A90J as the XR processor doesn’t know it’s a test pattern it’s in real world content where those specular highlights have been seen to go over 1000 nits but hard to replicate in a test pattern
@@Sansho54 pretty much mate again even if it was less bright say than the A90J nits isnt everything it’s the whole package the motion the upscaling the gradiation colours etc
Not as bright as an led and prone to the off chance of burn in using organic material...... I can't think of anything else. Still gonna get a g2 though. That 5 year panel warranty will be great insurance.
@@RobertK1993 yes but lg have the equipment and production line to do it, Sony don’t hence why they don’t make their own panels and just rely on their very good processing.
@@你是國王 Yeah everyone buys of LG Display not LG Electronics reason OLED panel production is expensive and LG have up and running less demand for OLED over LCD so why would Sony make own OLED panels they be way more expensive than LG even more then are currently.
Yes, you are right ... not officially by LGD ... BUT in the meantime it is common sense: "EVO panel" stands for the improved WRGB-panels LGD introduced in 2021 ... "panels improved by replacing hydrogen with deuterium and adding another green light emitting layer into the subpixel's structure". Using "EVO panel" instead is just much more convenient ... it is used in almost every publication ... because everyone knows what it stands for.
@@blacklyfe5543 I'll say it again, there is no such thing as an "EVO Panel" There is EVO Tech which is a combination of panel (with deuterium instead of hydrogen), processor and in some cases heatsinks. It's not just the panel, it's a package. LG Display can sell the exact same panel to Sony to use on their TV's but it's not going to be EVO because it will be missing the other components.
I have over 4000 hours on my C1 48". No burn in, no image retention or image degradation. I can only imagine the C2 and G2 lines are even better than the C1 in this regard.
@@phillydavison Countless ... lol ... you're a sheep manipulated by Samsung's marketing machinery for discrediting a superior technology they can't offer !
@@delgrady10 The Sony A95K doesn't destroy it! Only a fanboy or casual would say that lol. John Archer has been testing both the LG G2 and Sony A95K and say's there isn't much difference. In the accurate picture modes of both tv's. The Sony A95K does have a bit better overall colour volume, depth. But it's only really noticeable on certain sources. Some films, shows you won't even notice a difference.
It absolutely will not destroy the G2 lol. It’s already been shown these first year models have pixel color issues and isn’t much different from the A90J. Is it better, yes, it should be, but it’s not going to destroy the G2 or A90J. They all will compete and have perks in their own ways.
@@marcuscole8796 I just meant in comparison to the a90j. I’d be more inclined with the 1300 CD/m2 peak measurements to get the a90j. On another note my b7 still looks fucking awesome so maybe a moot point.
@S122J Dunno were your made up number is coming from ... these numbers for the A90J were measured by experts/pro calibrators in 2021: Phil Hinton: 749 nits Vincent Teoh: 775 nits The two numbers are close but not identical ... which is to be expected due to the usual manufacturing tolerances and deviations ... but 900 nits is entirely off perimeters. The more reliable number is the average of these two measurements: 762 nits
@@kensingtonwick I am surprised you're still (after 1 year) considering these hilarious 1300 nits the A90J could hold for 3 or 5 sec. until it had to make a hard shut down to not get destroyed. In the meantime it's widely accepted the value of this measurement is very close to zero ... there's only a small entertaining bonus and a huge aspect for hyping people and turning them mad without reason :-) Yeah, same for me ... every single day I fall in love again with the pictures my 65C7 is producing (it has 15,500+ hrs "on the clock" by now). Nevertheless ... first measurements and reviews of the G2 result in ... for the very first time the C7 is in danger of getting replaced ;-) The A90J is a fantastic tv ... but I do not like Sony's tone mapping philosophy ... Panasonic's or LG's approach is what I prefer to see in my living room.
@@marcuscole8796 I had my heart set on an a90j but now I’m intrigued by the QN95B. The main reason for upgrade is size. Would love to get an 85”. Yes the 2017 series for LG still looks awesome but I’m sure you’ll enjoy the G2. Are you upgrading in size as well?
i took my c1 lg back becus ethe newer webos interface is terrible. using the tv with webos is the worst i have ever used. nt only do i have to scroll down alot becuse alot of mychoices are hiden and not even on the tv at start but the tv screen is taken up 3/4 of space by weather, and other irrelivent info and trending colum. apps ar tiny and the rest well simply isnt on screen till you scroll down. webos in 2020 was the best in 2021 and 2022 id hihlyy recomend tring the tv at the store because trust me most peoople will hate the new web os. why do youtubers praise lgs tvs but not even mention the ui as itss a very important aspect. finally plex on a cx2020 lg tv and on a c1 plex remotly is so bad its like 10 sec load 3-5 sec play then load, this repeats constantly on all files. yet if i use a fire stick or a non udated nvidia shield its fine and thats on same tvs. how can tvs at these prices not have a full working plex app when a fire stick for 24 uk pounds works. i dont get it. i do feel confident itll be same on c2 but like i say web os from 2021 and 2022 is so bad this tv is last on my list. great picture terrible user interface.
Yep i prefer web os on my b7 just a row of apps at the bottom of the screen..i don't really use it on my c1 as its just a cluttered, laggy mess that takes up way to much screen.
The thing is most people on here don’t understand all the technical jargon,all we want is the best picture settings that show a vibrant picture within reason.You obviously know your stuff and as a fellow Scot I wish you well.I just ordered an LG G2 55 from box and get it tomorrow for a fabulous price of £1,387 including a £100 limited promotion.
I can confirm that the G1 accuracy with Auto Cal 40pts grayscale and 9pts CMS is extremely accurate I was surprised with my results excellent review man
G1 is amazing for sure
I have never seen such an honest chap reviewing a TV.
Makess sense cos you haven't seen me yet
I like the new structure to the review with you in frame describing the TV. Very well done!
Thanks!
I’ll be happily upgrading from my trusty C8 to a G2 this year.
Great review. Would love to see vs the a90j! Overall probably going to be a win for lg gaming wise if I'm to take a guess.
LG win slightly in gaming 2 extra ports slightly less input lag but Sony destroys it in video processing
@@micker9830 honestly the price difference makes me feel like the s95b will be a better competitor. The same screen with sonys processing and heatsink will definitely 1 up the g2.
@@micker9830 very true. My concern really is that we don't know the true lifespan of qd oled and this is technically the first iteration of it so its basically a beta test. I'm sure picture will be better from what reviewers have said about seeing them both before release but in the end its still brand new tech.
Nothing easier than that ... Phil Hinton also made a review for the A90J ... check out AVForums homepage to find it.
@@micker9830 for gaming LG G2 will be king over Any TV this year yes even the Sony A95k because sony doesn’t care about gaming now processor yes the new sony but not gaming
1:10 Brightness. 7:24 Input Lag.
I just bought a G2, very excited
Incredible year to buy a TV I love oleds , improve oleds this year , first generation qd oled , improve mini leds , and first generation mini led from Sony.
Thanks for the great, in-depth review, Phil!
Side note: that intro sound effect always startles me 😆
Noted!
@@avforums Nothing wrong with it. I marks the start of the video.. very well
Waiting for someone to do a G2 vs A90J head to head comparison. Both have heatsinks so it comes down to the processing and if LG improved it enough. Still expecting the Sony to look better but we will see
+1
We r on the same page mate ✌🏼
I can't wait to get this delivered, I'm currently running a C8 and I've been wanting VRR since the Xbox started supporting it. Hopefully places start getting stock soon!
I read somewhere that the stand is quite wobbly due to the turning feature.
Any experience with that? Thanks!
Is it better than the panasonic jz2000?
The panasonic will still (or again) offer the more cinematic and accurate experience for movie enthusiasts ... hence being the No. 1 choice !
Panasonic will always be on the upper side here due to their deep and wide involvement into movie creation and studio support. No other brand tries to (and is able to) stay this close to what the director's are seeing on their mastering monitors.
Considering every single property going along with a tv on the other hand ... the LG will (as usual) show no weaknesses whereas the Panasonic will again show some small weaknesses (app support, gaming support, no of HDMI 2.1, firmware updates, a.s.o) ... which will not be of enough importance for the mentioned specific Panasonic clientele to be disappointed with it.
But that's (just) my own subjective opinion :-))
Where did you get the stand? It only comes with wall mount?
a comparison between G2 and Phillips OLED 937? I'm between these two tvs and don't know which one is better :(
Panasonic JZ1500 still brighter without EVO panel?
Last years Panasonic JZ2000 and JZ1500 use the EVO panel. As does last year's Sony A90J.
@@C--A Sony Bravia A80J also uses Evo panel
Which is better this tv or Sony a90j for general watching sports movies etc
Purchased this panel for my sim rig.
This LG G2 or Samsung S95B (QD-OLED)?
G2
excellent review!! The panel looks incredible. i am curious as to how it measures/compares with the Sony Master Series a90j? Your professional opinion. Thanks!
Been a member of AVSforum for 20 years, cool to see a youtube channel. Great time to be an AV nerd. QD-OLED on the horizon and the best of WOLED on display here. I have a pre-order for the A95K right now, but would be lying if I said I was worried about the Sammy, or even the G2, being the better option for FAR less money. Time will tell I suppose.
This is AVForums not AVS
I hate the long feetstand under the a95k. Its same wide as television. So i can put it on my furniture table.
how does this compare to the A90J?
lg g2 is better. why are asking all this dumbheads this? seen them in reallife. lg g2 a bit better! best hdr ever seen on an oled!
sony fanboy detected
@@janduller4722 LG fanboys XR Processor's destroys anything LG C2 and G2 has which not much better than last year reason Sony charges more
@@animals7473 LG fanboy above making ridiculous cliams LG OLED have always been inferior in most areas to Sony Bravia OLED TVs since 2017 bar gaming
@@RobertK1993 LG OLED G2 ESTE AÑO VA A SUPERAR CON DIFERENCIA A SONY A90J
Here i was, searching up my first good phone for the sake of nostalgia
Only to find...this
Any review of the new 3.0 tuner? This tv can receive over the air HD Broadcast?
It would be nice if you wrote the size of the tv in the video in the description.
With the G2 stand how much space does it have between the bottom of the TV and stand? I've got a soundbar with a height of 5.7cm will that cut off the bottom of the TV
Is it blocking the view? I have Bose sound bar
@@johnny_bravo9990 no it fits perfectly under the TV
@@joshuanichols5029 thanks mate
This in 77 inch is gonna be more impressive than a 65 inch a95k I think.
I want to retract this comment. The a95k is going to decimate all previous oled technology 😂
@@RaytheonNublinski 😂
Now we just need to see samsung and sony with this qd oled and we can make up our minds here In the US but I would say if your not hooking a game system to this then there is better options out there like a90j
What about the motion? Another Reviewer showed that the C2 had worst motion than the C1, lots of artifacts. Is it the case with the G2? I'm watching alot of hockey and I wouldn't want to see this during my viewing...
Motion is excellent with TruMotion switched off for 24fps and 50hz broadcast. I can't speak for other reviewers who may have different testing procedures and not test it as accurate.
I think he does mention something at 4:46 but I'm not sure if that would be enough - maybe post into their Forums?
There is some confusion regarding the response time. Some websites even the reliable ones tell that its 9.4 ms, which is weird. Could you have any insight on this?
We measured 9.2ms with the input delay boast switched on. 12.9ms with it set to standard. That's 4K/60p. It'll be about half that for a 120p signal.
You should not use the term "response time" when talking about "input lag" ... because you can get easily mixed up with "pixel response time" which is somewhere around 0.1ms for every OLED tv.
@@avforums so is this a downgrade from G1? It has 1 ms or something right? Or am i mixing up things?
@@joshuvaantonio Response time is different to input lag. Response time is around 1ms, with input lag in the figures above. Hope that helps.
@@avforums Thank you for the swift reply and support. Subscribed ♥️
I've been hearing it may be as good or better than the Sony A90J. is this possible? maybe as far as gaming features it's better but what about the rest of the use cases? Movies TV streaming etc.?
its better. have seen them in the shops here in the netherlands. but how much are the feetstands to buy?
@@janduller4722 I figured LG was going to go all out this year to get back at Sony A90J for taking the crown of King of TV'S last year. Honestly I don't know how much the feet for the LG G2 cost but I wouldn't be surprised if they were at least 100.00 dollars or more.
@@janduller4722 they should just include the dag gone feet and give customers the option to wall mount or put the TV on feet a stand.
You herd wrong better than Sony Bravia A80J or A90J nope or A80K A90K or A95K
@@michaelwyckoff7593 A90J has better XR Processor
Which TV stand are you using? Out of the box it only comes with a wall mount.
you can use the c1 stand
Would you recommend I put a backlight strip of some kind behind a 77" LG G2 if I'm using the wall mount it came with on a N8 grey wall?
Why do you want to put back-light behind?
This is a great review Phil.
If you Apple movies purchased off iTunes, do you need a subscription to Apple TV+ or an Apple TV box to play them?
I saw an Apple TV app tile on screen, so hopefully one can simply log into that.
Keep up the great work AVF
No sub needed!
What kind of console is on the TV? THX.
how does this tv compare to the a90j in terms of image processing
They are very close. The LG really has improved in this area this year with excellent upscaling and motion.
@@avforums thanks for the feedback , since this is very close to the performance of the xr chip found in the a90j, would say that this is superior compared to the x1 chip from the Sony a8h?
The A80K will likely be the G2's main competitor for traditional OLED's this year. We'll see the 2nd gen XR chip can pull off.
@@Jackp2003 A90J outperforms A80K and G2
Is it normal that the tv looks blurry on movie scenes watching for my laptop ? What is a lean bark ? might hear is wrong though !
How does it compare to the Sony A90J
Hopefully the online review will have a comparison to the Sony A90J and Panasonic JZ2000/JZ1500.
If not then HDTVtest review will be in depth with comparisons to last year's top OLEDs.
Its not as bright picture quality sound motion processing and upscaling isn't as good
@Rick Deckard Brightness too:
Phil Hinton: G2 - 912 nits , A90J - 749 nits
Vincent Teoh: G2 - 930 nits , A90J - 775 nits
The G2 both measured in "Filmmaker Mode" ... the A90J with the setting matching closest with the EOTF curve ... both tvs calibrated to D65 whitepoint.
@@RobertK1993 only thing you got right was sound. The G2 is brighter and the image processing seems to have caught up with Sony.
The 2022 Sony models will have the 2nd gen XR chip remember, the A90J has the first gen one, so it'll be super even this year
I want to know how to get ahold of a Panasonic LZ2000 anyone know when they have release or pre-order?
I am between Pana LZ2000 or Sony A95K, probably will get the last due to Google TV. Sony and Pana make the best OLED
Hello, need ur help in ur opinion which better lg C3 77inch for 3500$ or lg G2 77INCH for 3800$?
What did you end getting?
@@Mikem242424 C3 77” & it was really excellent choice
Curious about the mount. Is there a LG branded mount for this new model? I’ve searched their website and can’t find one that’s specific to this tv.
The stand Phil Hinton has installed to the G2 is THE brandnew official G series table top stand developed and sold (separately) by LG.
As you can see the stand adopts the great C series design (and replaces the ugly duck feet design of GX and G1) ... it adds swivelling and comes along with cable management covers for the tv and the stand.
Unfortunately it provides a 4 degree leanback to the screen ... which many (including me) do not like :-(
Right now the stand only gets supplied to some reviewers (as far as I understood) ... it is not (yet) available in shops ... but will be soon.
Nice just gets a little bit brighter if you have the c8 CX c1 and so on your fine the picture quality it’s about the same
You still get the crushed black scenes as well. Just roll back this video to the horses seen standing in the snow and on a accurate display the horses are not dark black they are brown
You really shouldn't use video footage on TH-cam to assess the image quality of a TV. If you are happy with your older model LG then that's great, but the G2 is a marked improvement in a number of areas over the G1 and C1, CX. Just above black is one of those areas and there is no crushed black at all. You can see that within the measurements, don't judge on video footage that is compressed to hell and difficult to expose correctly using a camera with limited dynamic range. Video processing is also a step up on the G2. You can find out more in my full written review on AVForums.
@@avforums hello does your comment of we shouldn’t use TH-cam videos to judge a TV picture quality applies to you when you’re using TH-cam video to show people that is the best TV ever? I have already seen this TV compared side-by-side with the c1 and the differences is very minimal the only minor difference is the brightness the c2 TV is calibrated to be brighter this year also the colors is a little more saturated because the TV gets a little brighter the processing picture quality is the same
@@alambe7275 no. It’s not.
Does the brightness dim when there is a static image on screen ie during football/ rugby etc
Why does this tv have a pink hue when viewed from the side? That doesn’t have happen with the c2 but it also happened a on the g1
If you read the review it’s only noticeable in a 100% window and not noticeable in normal viewing. Probably has to do with some type of anti glare coating I assume? Who knows, but it’s not a big deal
@@jayroman3384 Thanks for the info. My 77” g2 will arrive this Thursday!
@@TheWiiplay where’d you order it from?? I’m also trying to get the 77’! Super excited for you!
@@jayroman3384 Amazon has them in stock.
@@TheWiiplay Grats ... I'm somewhat jealous now^^ ... have fun ... this tv is outstanding.
it’s ridiculous they charge extra for the stand.
Pretty obvious though. It's not intended to be put on a stand to begin with.
The G2 was intended for wall mount so they include one in the box rather than a stand.
Where to get a stand.
Does this have comparable specular highlights to a high-nit LED TV? I love when brightness makes me squint sometimes
No it's not as Bright as a led but have deeper blacks
I really don't know how dim the high-end OLED's can really be for me personally. My LED is at 0% brightness, and it still feels too bright sometimes. If an OLED is brighter than that, my eyes might burn in lol
@@Jackp2003 if ur in a dark room and u watch tv for a long time u don't need it bright at all.
If u go to the cinema it's only 50nits
@@dante19890 True, but the brightness is more important for SDR and HDR highlights I believe, not just general nits across the board.
@@Jackp2003 brightness is most important for HDR..cuz we haven't maxed out HDR yet.
Sdr is only reference 100nits and all tvs can achieve that
I'm confused, I thought the G2 was a gallery series no? so why does this tv have the C2 stand then?
This stand is the new G series table top stand. It replaces the G1/GX "duck feet" stand. This new stand provides swivelling, creates a 4 degree tilt-back for the screen and comes with cable management covers.
As the previous stand it is optional ... means it has to be purchased separately. The G2 itself comes with the wall mount bracket supplied ... like G1 and GX.
Well done Phil good review
Samsung S95B QD-OLED vs LG G2
yea, what to choose between them? it's a pitty S95B doesn't have Dolby Vision (although not sure if a big impact or not).
@@shadyandrei Whether DV provides a visible benefit mainly depends on the quality (mastering) of the used content ... in some cases the benefit is massive ... e.g. "The Mandalorian" on Disney+
In any case ... for a technology introduced in 2016 it seems to be a "must" being implemented in current tvs ... especially in expensive ones like the S95B.
@@marcuscole8796 agreed, especially as Dolby Vision seems to the the standard for most films as opposed to HDR10+ which never really took off. Even games in the future will be Dolby Vision compatible
@@jayroman3384 What we learned in the meantime: it's irrelevant for the S95B whether it is able to handle DV or not !
The S95B got proven to immediately destroy "Filmmaker Mode" by it's default factory calibration and behaviour ... and ... even more important by it's "always on" DTM which can not be deactivated.
It's pretty clear therefore the S95B will immediately also destroy DV for the same reason (the undefeatable DTM) ... even the DV content LUT set up by Dolby Laboratories (not Samsung VD) would not help here.
How I would love to own a 83 inch or bigger sadly my budget only allows me to have bought last years LG C1 65in which seems a bit small but something’s better than nothing very happy overall with it for 1699.99$ I couldn’t pass it up
Congrats ... You not only got a fantastic tv but also outstanding "value for money" at the same time ... tip: move your seating closer and you'll get the identical immersion you'll have with a 83" but larger viewing distance :-)
From my own experience with my 65" OLED tv: you need to sit as close as 2.80 mtrs. to be able to spot a difference between 4K (UHD) and 2K (FullHD) ... with close to 2 mtrs. you'd get the full benefit from your 4K material from Netflix and/or Disney+...
When I first bought my 65 C1(WBE panel) I was put off from the pink/magenta tint specially on the left side that it was a mixed pink and blue colour with bad uniformity. I am used to it now but in all honesty I will not buy another LG. I am not bothered about the pink but it is not uniform. Some places on the screen are blue not pink and LG said is within spec(of course they will say that). I am not excited about Samsung's QD OLED but LG is a disappointment in bright uniformity! I am enjoying my TV immensely bit I did not get what I paid for!
I have a G1 and have NEVER had that issue. You might have gotten a defective panel, you might want to contact your store and get it switched.
That definitely sounds like a fault, why didn't you just take it back to the shop to get it replaced
@@thexboxfurry745 TV shops where I come from, do not exchange a TV set just because of the preference of the customer. I need to prove that there is something wrong with the TV. So I took it to LG electronics technical partner(official LG repair shop) and they got in touch with LG. LG said that this is within technical specs although they could see the pink. They said they are all like that. Of course they lied because I saw other C1s and they were not like that with such a degree of bad uniformity. Bad CS from LG and good news for Samsung that will be my next QD OLED TV. I here that the white of the TV is actually white which should not have been an issue for LG in the 21st century!.
man you guys say this every year.
Fortunately he does ... if not we would be in deep trouble, because tvs and technology would have stopped to improve.
Of course improvements turn up on a yearly basis because tv models have this cycle ... I don't see the issue !
Geee it’s almost as if technology improves in a chronological fashion …
What about QD-OLED? Isn't it better?
We don't know until we test it. There is a lot of hype, but we will wait and see for ourselves. I have seen the Sony in person and it is impressive for colour, but it is no brighter.
Phil Hinton nailed it: "There is a lot of hype..." ... and what every single hype created in the past was: disappointment !
How do you get the optional stand?
On the LG homepage ... but the 2022 accessoiries are not listed yet...
You can’t buy it anywhere yet - LG is very late bringing the accessories out this year
Will there be a review of the C2 Phil?
Yes.
I’m debating between this and the Z9J, any suggestions? I’ve had OLED’s but have also had issues. Is the hdr performance comparable on the G2?
Pink tinge on the panel is unforgivable at this price point - perhaps it can be remedied with a firmware update…A table stand should be standard for this premium set, and that remote is horrid. Thanks so much for this review, this isn’t the TV for me.
its panel related firmware cant change your panel Wait for c3 model. Maybe the issue will be remedied.
The pink tint is apparently only on 65 inch models and not every time and then ever so slightly.
It's the G-series "Gallery" it is meant to hang and comes with a wall mount.
The remote is built with high accessibility in mind, which is nice. there are cheap, better looking remotes to buy separately and should not be a dealbreaker for such a nice TV.
How is built in sound quality of speakers
It sounds very good for a built-in speaker set up and is above average in that respect. More details will be in our written review.
If you’re buying a tv like this then you will not worry about the speakers and be buying a soundbar or something.
It's not bad at all. I even bought a Sonos Beam Gen 2 for it and ended up returning it because i liked the sound of the TV better. The Sonos sounded better in the low end ofcourse, but also way "boxier". How's that? :) I really love this TV by the way, you won't regret it.
@@axladam1063 thanx but to enjoy atmos i think we should get a soundbar what do u say??
@@rajankapoor299 Yes, ofcourse. Or even better, a good home cinema setup. But for a built-in speaker, it is pretty good!
I'm confused , how is the G2 911nits the brightest OLED TV yet when the C8 is measured at 979nits ?
The G2 can do 900+ nits in all presets white being calibrated to the industry standard D65 white point. The A90J can do 900+ nits while calibrated to D65 but only in the vivid preset.. outside of that preset it averages around 750 nits.
@@xXRaffleXx ok i dont know about the A90j but the LG C8 is brighter than the G2 according to rtings and this review. So why everybody says the G2 is the brightest OLED yet? I wanted to buy the G2 but I'm not sure if it's worth it since my C8 is already amazing and very bright. Unless the C8 is only 979nits in vivid mode?
Phil Hinton measured the 65C8 with 740 nits ... I really don't know why always these insane, unrealistic numbers are popping up !?
You need calibrated measurements in the identical picture mode ... otherwise these values can't be compared at all !!!
I'm pretty sure with the useless setting the C8 achieved 979 nits with ("Vivid" most probably) ... the G2 will easily hit more than 1000 nits ... but both are irrelevant because not usable for watching a movie or playing a game. Stupid.
Supplement: found out the 979 nits are a 2% window not a 10% window measured by Rtings ... picture mode unclear ... plus Rtings measured 666 nits "Real Scene Peak Brightness" on the C8 ... which might be the actual comparable value to the 912 nits "Filmmaker Mode" value of the G2
@@marcuscole8796 thanks m8
@@dfsdfdsfsd8524 Have fun, mate :-)
He gave it 8 "Superb" ratings
£1,500 with free wall mounting service at John Lewis currently. Amazing how prices have tumbled.
how’s the uniformity on the g2?
Horrible as per usual. Inherent in all wrgb.
@@pioneer2321 ..seriously?
@@pioneer2321 Sony Bravia OLED TVs tend have better uniformity then LG OLED TVs same panels Sony QC is better
@@kiellieferickson5506 the whites have a pink and blue tint to it. The greys have a red tint to it, once the lights are off you will see all the vertical lines and the tint will be more obvious.
@@pioneer2321 ..all the c2’s and g2’s will have that?
Pls make comparison with A95k and samsung flagship
Our Samsung S95B arrived yesterday, we will be doing comparisons with all the major screens this year.
@@avforums Thanks! :)
Samsung can get stuffed. They don't support Dolby Vision because they're trying to make their own standard #1. It's not going to happen. I have a Samsung Q60 and I will be replacing it with the G2.
@@DarkMatterBurrito A95K destroys anything LG and Samsung produce it's funny South Koreans can't keep up with the Japanese brand Sony.
Does anyone know if LG OLEDS of this year will be compatible with PS5’s upcoming Vrr function? As far as I’ve come to understand PS5 will be supporting "HDMI Forum Vrr" - not freesync nor g-sync. 🤔 I’m really confused about it and no one at the tv stores know the answer to my question. I’m considering buying a LG G2 this year, but only if it is fully compatible with my PS5. I don’t want a A90j because it only has 2 2.1hdmi ports - and I think 4 2.1hdmis port seem a bit more future-proof.
It absolutely should be compatible. LG OLEDs since 2019 have had the accolade of supporting all forms of VRR. The PS5's upcoming "VRR" function is basically Sony just adding what's called "Forum VRR" (alternatively called HDMI Forum VRR) to their PS5. This VRR is a generic standard that comes with HDMI 2.1. This "Forum VRR" is used by consoles; it's already being used for the Xbox Series X/S.
The other two, G-Sync and Freesync, are VRR standards that are only used by PC gamers using either an Nvidia or AMD graphics card respectively.
where can i order the stand?
Buy the c2
Why the 4 degree lean-back on the stand??....I don't understand why they would do this. I would want my T.V. to be exactly vertical.
It’s not meant to be on a stand in the first place
Fully agreed ... I already bought a 3rd party VESA stand for my upcoming G2 ... which has 0 degree lean-back (although I very much like the design of the new official stand...)
@@jayroman3384 not everyone has the luxury ( or space ) to wall mount. So at least there is an option to stand mount.
@@dannygriffith6185 well the G is for gallery and it’s meant to be wall mounted with its built in flush wall mount. Just get a c2
Nice video..bit over my head some of it though. Im begging to see how well the qd oled does up against it. Shame to hear the colours get washed out again at peak brightness, this is where the G2 may lose to the A95K or S95B.
The G2 can achieve 500 to 600 nits with pure RGB ... that's far more than required, because you'll not find Reds , Greens or Blues with 1000nit in any content.
Usually 400 nit is already sufficient ... more than this is only required for white or close to white specular highlights.
@@marcuscole8796 Oh ok
@@sj460162 Yes, some technical issues or properties are entirely overrated ... because they are irrelevant for normal use. We always have to be sceptical ... especially with hypes like the current QD-OLED hype.
I as well am very curious about the A95K and the S95B and whether they can actually derive some noticeable/visible benefits for normal use/watching ... in theory it should be possible ... I would in fact love to see tv tech evolving with a clearly visible effect for the user ... QD-OLED is a chance ... we'll see.
From my own 5 years (16,000 hrs) using a WRGB-OLED I can assure you ... colours on this OLED are no way washed out ... it's the exact opposite: I never had such brilliant, pure and intensive colours on any of my previous tvs ... on OLED tvs colours always pop because they are not diluted by backlight bleeding as on every LCD tv (local dimming doesn't work with colours at all ... it needs to be deactivated for these pixels) ... it doesn't matter whether it's a WRGB-OLED, a RGB-OLED or a QD-OLED.
@@marcuscole8796 interesting points you make...im looking forward to entering the world of oled coming from lcd and looking forward to great colours!
@@sj460162 Glad my comments are of value for you ... and I seem to have provided some facts and opinions interesting for you and worth you may dig in further on your own.
At the end of the day in your own interest you have to (only) rely on what you found out yourself ... there is too many fanboys and "biased" enthusiasts out there. Although I am trying to look into all aspects, properties and developments brands are achieving ... I have to admit I am also not entirely free of (slight) bias ... although I appreciate all brands equally ... LG will always have a "bonus" on my side because they gave us (at all or as the very first): functional and affordable OLED tvs (9 years ago), 4K OLED tvs, large screen size OLED tvs, HDR & Dolby Vision (2016), DTM, HDMI 2.1 ports, great app support, a.s.o. (I am not happy with their LCD tvs tho^^) ... at least ... even if not buying one of their tvs ... they deserve any respect for what they contributed to us enthusiasts.
If interested I can recommend my way of collecting reliable and valueable information:
What is extremely important is: the reviewer MUST be a ISF certified calibrator ... owning the required hardware and also the (trained) knowledge to calibrate a tv to industry standards and references ... and actually measure these tvs then. There are too many "enthusiasts" out there doing reviews with uncalibrated tvs using picture modes they have no idea how accurate these are and what the mode actually does to the picture. In other words: the results of these "just enthusiast" reviewers are of no value because they are random and not traceable...
The sources I use are:
- this channel here^^ ... Phil Hinton (AVForums , YT channel and homepage)
- HDTVTest ... Vincent Teoh (YT channel , also UK as Phil)
- Rtings (USA, YT-channel + homepage)
I wait and use all the information I can derive from all three sources ... then I kind of "blend" this information ... and as a result I am convinced having enough and especially reliable and valueable data ... for basing a purchase decision on it.
Is it me or do I see stutter when the Joker moves his head? I mean I'm eyeing the G2, but if in these types of scenes we can already count on stutter...🤐
Please tell me I'm wrong.
its the camera
You can't judge a TV through YT, there are far too many things that can make a difference. I think you can't tell until it's in your room, bedded in and set to your personal preferences. Quality reviews will highlight any issues though
Panasonic still thinks better
Sony Bravia better than Panasonic OLED TVs and LG OLED TVs and probably Samsung S95B QD OLED
@@RobertK1993 dude stop
Yes Panasonic is better but LG has high marges (more profit) that’s why they recommend LG that much and than Sony. It’s all biased nowdays
@@junior-OG Yeah reviews don't lie Sony Bravia OLED TVs gave hest video processing XR is more important than HDMI 2.1 ports VRR 4K 120HZ Dolby Vision
@@superbn0va Panasonic OLED TVs and Sony Bravia OLED TVs are always better than LG OLED TVs even Samsung S95B QD OLED is better than LG OLED TVs
What was the movie with the flying ship?
Pan - www.amazon.co.uk/Pan-4K-Ultra-HD-Blu-ray/dp/B01CQT9TNQ/ it's utter drivel, but is a 4000 nit master HDR10 with Dolby Atmos audio and a well used demo disc
Where to get stand for g2??
It's an optional extra that can be purchased at the same time as the TV from your retailer of choice.
@@avforums I tried to google not possible to find… in Sweden LG dont know yet also… I can buy from monday G2, but stand not… maybe you recommend some alternatives, maybe previus models stand’s compatible?
@@Jamolt- 3rd party VESA stands are always an option ... and these do not have the horrible 4 degree tilt-back as a bonus :-)
The VESA mount is 300x200 on the 55"G2 and 300x300 for the 65"G2...
They will as well be cheaper, because the original stand can be expected to be somewhere between $100 and $150 ... all 3rd party stands are below $100 and even below $50
@@marcuscole8796 thanks for answer! Really want G2 but, but I wont mount on the wall, so trying to find best way 🙄
@@Jamolt- np ... it's the same for me ... the VESA stand for the G2 is already delivered^^ ... now I am waiting for availability and prices to come down. As I own a 65C7 for 5 years by now (and love it) ... I am not in a hurry :-)
LG G2 vs. SONY A90J
@v cam While there’s no reviews yet, how do we think the A80K will compare? I simply want the best 77” OLED of the year, and the only competitors in that spot seem to be the A80K and the G2.
You can tell it looks amazing. It almost looks like someone photoshopped in the picture.
I guess it depends on who’s looking at it I don’t know about amazing but it’s nice similar to last year‘s in the year before that
5:23 this is where ABL kicks in... Brighter HDR Scenes with Dark HDR Scenes you can see It flashes late (fluctuate)
The ABL behavior like this only applies on Bright HDR Grade Content with Dark Scenes next in the scenes in the low frame rates 24p like movies you can see it.
But if its SDR no there's no behavior like this.
yep same for my C8 and thats why i turned off that function with the service menu.
@@dfsdfdsfsd8524 Yes it's still an issue, very slow to response in the Old LG OLEDs
I still have my LG C9 still the same, but it is improve on C2
All I care about is it comes in a 97" version. And Samsung qc is trash and I can't keep sending it back until I get a clean one.
97 inch cost a fortune better of buying Sony Bravia A95K or Samsung S95B QD OLED TVs are the future of OLED the very near future.
@@RobertK1993 those are 55" and 65" panels.
I’m still put off by the horrific screen burn my E6 has, I just don’t think I’d buy another OLED.
New OLED is better than the old OLED panels! So I gather anyways.
dont be affraid. i have cx no problems. tv almost 2 years now. and watching and gaming a lot.
OLED TVs before 2017 more Pro é to burn in I read
My b7 will be 5 years old this november i have no screen issues..hdr gaming and movies for almost 5 years..perfect.
@@anthonyclayton8283 Yeah, but with my c8 in a year a dirty screen. burn in. but i get a new panel
What a joke the Panasonic oled from last year 2021 already surpassed them with max brightness 930 nits and this was without a so called EX panel from the brand LG :P
This is not correct ... Phil Hinton measured the JZ2000 with 877 nits ... not 930 nits.
Rtings measured the G2 with the relevant "Real Scene Highlights" using calibrated "Cinema Mode" with 1,165 nits !!!
For the same measurement the Sony A90J achieved 712 nits (777 nits in "Vivid Mode").
(Unfortunately) Rtings didn't review the JZ2000 because Panasonic is not available in the North American market.
The "Filmmaker Mode" of the G2 ... seems to massively limit the brightness performance of the G2. As of Rtings the "Cinema Mode" is very accurate even "out of the box" and close to perfect after calibration.
@@marcuscole8796 check the 65JZ1500 it hits almost around 930 nits with a heatsink
@@wblebon OK then ... I also checked Phil's review of the JZ1500 ... his measurements are: 877 nits 10% window dropping to 143 nits with full screen white.
These are fantastic values and Panasonic (besides creating the most cinematic tvs) was always leading in peak brightness since the GZ2000 introduced heatsinks ... but the G2 is insane in comparison ... not in "Filmmaker Mode" tho (what Phil used) but in the as well accurate "Cinema Mode" ... almost 300 nits more ! ... for sure: not even in the most brightest mode the JZ2000/1500 will come somewhere close to these 1165 nits.
Furthermore the value for "100% Sustained Window" is 190 nits on the G2 ... which (compared to the JZ1500's 143 nits) is precisely the identical +33% more brightness we see on the peak brightness side ... fact is: the G2 always is 33% brighter ... it doesn't matter which testscreen is used !
@@marcuscole8796 can you give me a link of the so called Phil review
@@wblebon Really ? ... you are on Phil's channel, you are watching Phil's G2 review ... you can find the review video of the JZ1500 on his channel here ... for the written reviews (JZ1500 and JZ2000) you have to visit his homepage (Phil provided the link to "AVForums" on top of this site here in the supplement).
When on AVForum's homepage click on: "Reviews" - "TVs" - "OLED TVs and pick the review you want from the appearing list.
Sorry, I can't post the links ... I tried it but YT deleted the post with links.
Pink tint again no thanks , Jesus Christ it’s over 3 grand
Inherent- it will never be fixed.
A95K QD OLED is only OLED to buy LG WOLED is obsolete
@@RobertK1993 you need to chill sony fanboy
@@micker9830 yep
@@junior-OG I am wondering how much he (Robert Kelly) gets paid by Sony.
This spamming of Sony promotion and LG discrediting he's doing for more than a year now ... on several channels.
R.I.p. A90J
Last years Sony A90J with reduced prices will sell well this year.
I bought an A90J a month ago. Best TV I've ever owned. Happily live with it for another few years.
A90J will get lower prices and at that point is insanely competitive
Delusional LG fanboysikibg own comments 3 spoof accounts
@@Zoranurai13 A95K the new master series I think A90K should have had 55 65 77 83 97 models
So the last year Sony and Panasonic still brighter.. Hmm. Shame.
Peak brightness after calibration to D65 is higher than A90J. The A90J in Vivid mode is still brighter in short bursts, but Vivid is a junk mode for PQ.
@@Sansho54 thing is it’s very difficult to get a good Nits reading from an A90J as the XR processor doesn’t know it’s a test pattern it’s in real world content where those specular highlights have been seen to go over 1000 nits but hard to replicate in a test pattern
@@CH-bn7qb Good point! I was amazed at how bright the A80J appeared next to the C1, even though it measured lower peak white on test windows.
@@Sansho54 pretty much mate again even if it was less bright say than the A90J nits isnt everything it’s the whole package the motion the upscaling the gradiation colours etc
Where do y’all get this false info from? In an accurate picture mode this is by far the brightest OLED yet
12.9ms lag, omg
idk why people keep praising lg oleds..let’s talk about the shortcomings of the television can we please?
Yeah this tv is gay lol. I’ll stick with the a90j’s higher brightness.
Not as bright as an led and prone to the off chance of burn in using organic material...... I can't think of anything else. Still gonna get a g2 though. That 5 year panel warranty will be great insurance.
Because LG has high marges. That’s why reviews nowdays are biased.
QD OLED should make LG OLED panels obsolete within 3/4 years
It probably won’t, all LG gotta do is slap a nano color filter to it and make their own QNED-OLED because they’re not going to call it QD-OLED
@@NaStalgia That not how it works if that where case Sony buy LG WOLED Evo and put QD filter on them
@@RobertK1993 yes but lg have the equipment and production line to do it, Sony don’t hence why they don’t make their own panels and just rely on their very good processing.
@@你是國王 Yeah everyone buys of LG Display not LG Electronics reason OLED panel production is expensive and LG have up and running less demand for OLED over LCD so why would Sony make own OLED panels they be way more expensive than LG even more then are currently.
@@NaStalgia you clearly have no idea how qd oled works lol. “Slapping a nano filter” would make it worse
There is no such thing as an "EVO Panel"
Yes, you are right ... not officially by LGD ... BUT in the meantime it is common sense: "EVO panel" stands for the improved WRGB-panels LGD introduced in 2021 ... "panels improved by replacing hydrogen with deuterium and adding another green light emitting layer into the subpixel's structure".
Using "EVO panel" instead is just much more convenient ... it is used in almost every publication ... because everyone knows what it stands for.
rEVOlutionary panel made from the spirit of a god
@@RaytheonNublinski You mean a "REVO-SPROG" panel ... think that's a different one^^
Yes there is!
@@blacklyfe5543 I'll say it again, there is no such thing as an "EVO Panel"
There is EVO Tech which is a combination of panel (with deuterium instead of hydrogen), processor and in some cases heatsinks.
It's not just the panel, it's a package.
LG Display can sell the exact same panel to Sony to use on their TV's but it's not going to be EVO because it will be missing the other components.
Fantastic TV until burn in or image retention kick in or image degradation over time pick your poison.
We can be happy for LCD tvs never get any defects and generally last forever without showing the slightest degradation ... lol (attention: sarcasm)
5 year warranty bud
I have over 4000 hours on my C1 48". No burn in, no image retention or image degradation.
I can only imagine the C2 and G2 lines are even better than the C1 in this regard.
@@H3llb0und Well done you, countless others not so lucky.
@@phillydavison Countless ... lol ... you're a sheep manipulated by Samsung's marketing machinery for discrediting a superior technology they can't offer !
Sony Bravia A90J and A95K will destroy this.
Also much more expensive
The A90J won’t touch this as its basically an upgraded A90J but I do agree with you the A95k. Its gonna destroy everything in 22
@@delgrady10 The Sony A95K doesn't destroy it! Only a fanboy or casual would say that lol. John Archer has been testing both the LG G2 and Sony A95K and say's there isn't much difference. In the accurate picture modes of both tv's.
The Sony A95K does have a bit better overall colour volume, depth. But it's only really noticeable on certain sources. Some films, shows you won't even notice a difference.
It absolutely will not destroy the G2 lol. It’s already been shown these first year models have pixel color issues and isn’t much different from the A90J. Is it better, yes, it should be, but it’s not going to destroy the G2 or A90J. They all will compete and have perks in their own ways.
@@micker9830 A90J destroys G2 simple reason XR Processor and it's a Sony
Sony Bravia OLED is better
Hi Rob - which OLED are you making reference to?
It’s pretty gay that it’s not brighter than the a90j. Oh well:(
Since when is 912 nits (G2) not brighter than 749 nits (A90J) ?
@@marcuscole8796 I just meant in comparison to the a90j. I’d be more inclined with the 1300 CD/m2 peak measurements to get the a90j. On another note my b7 still looks fucking awesome so maybe a moot point.
@S122J Dunno were your made up number is coming from ... these numbers for the A90J were measured by experts/pro calibrators in 2021:
Phil Hinton: 749 nits
Vincent Teoh: 775 nits
The two numbers are close but not identical ... which is to be expected due to the usual manufacturing tolerances and deviations ... but 900 nits is entirely off perimeters.
The more reliable number is the average of these two measurements: 762 nits
@@kensingtonwick I am surprised you're still (after 1 year) considering these hilarious 1300 nits the A90J could hold for 3 or 5 sec. until it had to make a hard shut down to not get destroyed. In the meantime it's widely accepted the value of this measurement is very close to zero ... there's only a small entertaining bonus and a huge aspect for hyping people and turning them mad without reason :-)
Yeah, same for me ... every single day I fall in love again with the pictures my 65C7 is producing (it has 15,500+ hrs "on the clock" by now).
Nevertheless ... first measurements and reviews of the G2 result in ... for the very first time the C7 is in danger of getting replaced ;-)
The A90J is a fantastic tv ... but I do not like Sony's tone mapping philosophy ... Panasonic's or LG's approach is what I prefer to see in my living room.
@@marcuscole8796 I had my heart set on an a90j but now I’m intrigued by the QN95B. The main reason for upgrade is size. Would love to get an 85”. Yes the 2017 series for LG still looks awesome but I’m sure you’ll enjoy the G2. Are you upgrading in size as well?
i took my c1 lg back becus ethe newer webos interface is terrible. using the tv with webos is the worst i have ever used. nt only do i have to scroll down alot becuse alot of mychoices are hiden and not even on the tv at start but the tv screen is taken up 3/4 of space by weather, and other irrelivent info and trending colum. apps ar tiny and the rest well simply isnt on screen till you scroll down. webos in 2020 was the best in 2021 and 2022 id hihlyy recomend tring the tv at the store because trust me most peoople will hate the new web os. why do youtubers praise lgs tvs but not even mention the ui as itss a very important aspect.
finally plex on a cx2020 lg tv and on a c1 plex remotly is so bad its like 10 sec load 3-5 sec play then load, this repeats constantly on all files. yet if i use a fire stick or a non udated nvidia shield its fine and thats on same tvs. how can tvs at these prices not have a full working plex app when a fire stick for 24 uk pounds works. i dont get it. i do feel confident itll be same on c2 but like i say web os from 2021 and 2022 is so bad this tv is last on my list. great picture terrible user interface.
agree, the new web is is horrible, but I use Apple TV and hot keys for the Apps I want so I can avoid using it
Yep i prefer web os on my b7 just a row of apps at the bottom of the screen..i don't really use it on my c1 as its just a cluttered, laggy mess that takes up way to much screen.