Neumann U47 vs Ga47 XT mkII | Best U47 clone on the market!?
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- "The Holy Grail" of microphones; the Neumann u47 Vs the Golden Age Ga-47 XT mkII.
Is this the best clone on the market!? Time to find out!
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Vintage capsule used in the GA-47 XT
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I immediately detected a factor of distorsion in B that I didn't quite like. I wasn't sure and thought I was maybe confusing some of the guitar frequencies with the voice, but every time you switched, I could hear it. Not super obvious, but I could hear it. EQ wise, I didn't notice any clear differences. I guess something in the whole tube section of the Neumann is working just better. In the other one, that factor of distorsion I'm talking about, kind of takes away the silkiness the Neumann has. I would definitely try swapping tubes between them, just to see how much of that is making a difference.
I figured I'd just pick whichever sounded the best, and that was "A". Not surprised it turned out to be the Neumann.
OK, I listened to the raw files: The GA has more top end, which can vary from capsule to capsule on a 47. However, the GA is absolutely missing the lower midrange bloom, which is the hallmark of a 47. Klaus calls it "midrange authority." Now, I'm sure you can make great recordings with the GA, but it doesn't do that thing the 47 is uniquely capable of doing. I made my favorite recording ever on a BLUE47! But, after a couple decades of listening to dozens of possible circuits, it that characteristic appears to be something that is reliant on the combination of the VF14 tube and BV8 transformer. Everything else is close, but no cigar.
Cool! I know you're a great engineer so thanks for listening! Sure there are differences. The presence of the vintage Neumanns is what I like the most. How it make things so upfront without taking over. I really like the outcome of my Landslide cover made with the GA. It's definitely a great mic. Vintage always seem to have some magic to it though. Maybe it's the aging components more then anything. Cheers!
@@Christian_svedin The aging components will only increase noise floor, generally, and most of the best sounding 47s have their passive components replaced. I have three 47s, which I maintain myself, and I've worked on and rebuilt a bunch more. The biggest difference from mic to mic is always the capsule. The tubes are very consistent in frequency response. Transformers don't change sound with age. You can extend the frequency range up and down by changing some values of either the grid resistor or transformer coupling capacitor, which moves the bass frequency resonance value. But those paper and tar Bosch output caps were used in V2 rockets, and are not changing sound with age. People mistakingly think they are electrolytic, which actually would dry up and change the sound. The ceramic capsule bias capacitor might get noisy or leaky, but it's just a shunt and no audio passes through it, so it's not going to change frequency response, but changing the older ones out to polystyrene actually make the sound even better, so aging is really not a factor. The only time aging is a factor is when you have an original M7, which will dry out, lose bass response, and have exaggerated high end as it stiffens.
@@JJBlairrecording In your opinion what is the closest Vintage Neumann U47 clone on the market?
@@JJBlairrecording and would you choose a vintage U67 or vintage telefunken 47 over whichever clone you think is best?
@@PandaThiefChannel Probably the Heiserman.
Even on my iPhone XS I could pick out A as being the real 47. The sibilance gave it away to me. I think most wouldn’t be able to reliably pick out the difference between the two esp in a dense mix. Great vid thanks
A. sounds sweet. A special presence. This is a edit now after I got the answer wow. I picked the Neumann. No wonder it’s used on vocals like a champ. I have a studio but not the money to afford a mic like this. By the way beautiful vocal as well. Thanks for the video.
I have a ga47, took me a long time to appreciate it. Needs much less eq than mics I was used to, I was so used to putting loads of eq on tlm mics
Interesting comments.... I thought mostly the same but felt there was a noticeable difference between the microphones in that - as you said - new mics seem to have a slightly more foreword brilliance that sometimes borders on sounding slightly brittle.
It's really hard to even compare two vintage mics against each other, even the vintage nice will sound different. That being said, These two mics are close, GA has definitely captured the spirit of the U47. It's definitely on my short list for next mic purchase, very nice sounding mic.
My experience is that the whole rumour that every vintage mic will sound different is drastically exaggerated. I recently compared 3 vintage u47 and all sounded very close and very good all within Neumanns +-2db range. Thanks for watching and yeah the GAP is super nice. I also did a video on the upcoming M7 model 👍
Hey! I was wondering how you'd compare the Wunder to the Ga? Thanks for the video! loving this series. Subscribed!
Picked up the U47, even thought I was hoping I wouldn't. The sibilance was harsher and you can tell it is just a bit more smooth on the real 47. It's very, very close though. Seems like a great mic.
Appreciate you doing this comparison! Great vocals, but PLEASE process them the same!!! Shouldn't have different processing anytime you're doing a shootout. Thanks!
To me, it seemed like the U47 was catching some of those high notes better, in the high mids, making them sound more epic than the other mic. Not neutral; but something many find desirable.
There's a clear rise of distortion on mic B. Eventually a capsule swap to a Thiersch or similar would bring it a step closer to the original.
So I just preferred the GA in this test. That's interesting...
I heard a difference on an iPhone! BUT! I haven’t seen the results yet, so I don’t know which is which. So, my unbiased opinion (listening on iPhone) is that Mic B is clearer or more present (meaning I’m hearing more high frequencies). Mic A is more syrupy (maybe meaning that all the transients are not getting through) and has more break up. Now, my next move is to download the raw files and listen to them on my KH310s. After that then I’ll watch the rest of the video to see which mic is which.
Cool man! Tell me what you think when you checked them properly :)
@@Christian_svedinwhat is better to take for a home studio tlm 107 mP 11 dh vs GA 47 mP 12 or 251 16 mP?
Great review, thanks!
Wow this Golden Age is very amazing.
Can i just say...your voice is fantastic!
Thanks man 😊
Listening on A7x I prefer B.
Huge differences. I appreciate your time on this, but I don't understand why you applied EQ? I walk away unsure if it's the actual mic or the EQ that made the difference.
Hey! Thanks for checking it out. I always link the raw unprocessed files so if you like you can download them and check those out!
@@Christian_svedin Awesome, Thank you for the response and your time putting this video together!
But still sincerely wondering still what you eq'd ? Were you trying to match them to each other? Or just to get a sound you liked on your voice from each?
I am not trying to give you a hard time, I just have never seen somebody do a comparison video and then Eq both pieces differently. You have me intrigued.
@@SHUTUPANDRECORD Mainly I Eq them to where they sound good to my ears. I think it's nice to hear things in a mixed context. Allot of comparisons and demos showcases raw recordings but it's hard to hear what kind of things will happen once you start to process the files. You know if that brightness will get out of hand etc. But I always give away the raw recordings on my channel so you'll always have the option to download those although chrome seem to give my links a hard time haha! Try another browser if you can't download the files. Cheers
I don’t understand why you would do any eq on a true comparison? Still, great mics and enjoy your videos.
I really don't mean this as a brag - but I was able to tell that the A mic was the real U47 after hearing only a few seconds of the first B clip. The Ga47 is 'scratchy' compared to the real U47. BUT - the Ga47 is a heck of a good deal!
Does the standard Ga47 with the m7 sound as good as the XT version using the m7 head?
Great work and happy to follow you!
If I could make a request it would be for you to review the Slate ML-1 (and ML-2 for that sake). I personally love it.
Keep up the great work and
God Jul 🎅✨🎄
Tackar! I've been thinking of doing a Slate review/comparison. A friend has one, we'll see! / God jul!
Really wish I didn’t hear the difference. Rooting for a the whole video to be the cheaper mic 😂
hi christian,
thank you for this video which I was looking forward to. I downloaded the Raw files to accurately see the raw takes. can you tell me which capsule you used on the GAP?
I can say that to my ears, the U47 Neumann has something magical about the sound that I cannot find in the GAP;
I also notice that the GAP is a bit brighter than the U47. They sound alike, it's true, but I wish I could say that the magic I felt when I heard you sing in the U47 came from the GAP, but it isn't.
It's a nice service that you did there for us and I thank you for that ....
I must therefore continue my quest, all I have to do is find this magic u47 for my voice in a modern microphone .... it's not won.
Hey thanks for listening! Vintage capsule. I'll add that in the description. To each of their own, I would be perfectly happy using the Ga-47 since it's so many other variables that affect the sound. I might have a couple of other cool things coming up in the u47 vein of mics.
Thanks!
Well, the difference was audible even with my computer speakers. Both sounded great though. :)
The distortion of the guitar and the loudness of it in the mix is obscuring the overtones of the mic, which is the whole thing with a 47. And EQ'ing each mic to sound similar is defeating the purpose of hearing the difference, no?
Thanks for listening! I always provided raw files if you or anyone want to check them out :)
B Nice！
A is a lot moor 3 D sounding. ( I listening on my iPhone 7 ) but a big difference. I hoop for This new company that it’s A is the GA-47 .
LOL let’s ”Hoop” hahaha Or rather let’s ”Hope”
Hell yeah A sound amazing
Damm A it’s original
Hey Christian , the GA47 is in my sights for a future purchase, i've downloaded the raw files in order to listen to them more carefully and I had the feeling that these two microphones are both sibilant. so i was wondering if the u47'ish mics are generally speaking tend to be sibilant, or maybe is it some of the words you emphasized more in this song ? it doesn’t take away the quality of your interpretation, though. My voice is somewhat sibilant and I wonder if it is a good choice of microphone for me ...
Hey, I don't think it's that sibilant but it is open. You can always play around with the mic placement. But there might something new coming from GAP so stay tuned 😉
@@Christian_svedin wow, Do you have any information of a new product? I contacted Bo who gave me the contact of the person who sells golden age products in France, but I am waiting for an answer. The ga-47 extended version is not available in France(just the GA-47 mK2), but if you have a nice info , I am interested, even in mp if you prefer. This is a rather urgent purchase for me, in the coming weeks. so I have to wait for something better, I would be happy to know what it is ;-)
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They both sound amazing but witch ever one is the u47 I’m not hearing a 6 thousand dollar difference neither mics are bright or sibilant they just sound warm and well rounded hard to depicted witch is witch I really want to get that golden age u47 such a fine piece of equipment
I'm totally with you. Personally I could use either. I think the GA is on point. Sure small differences but both will get you great results. Hope you'll get the GA, go for it! :)
Thank you I’m definitely considering it a lot thanks for posting this video keep up the good comparison videos
@@drakewatkins2624 thanks man! Yeah if you have a chance try one. I find it hard to think of a better option in the 2-4k range :)
As a singer I felt they were world’s apart.
I hear that microphone A has much more saturation. Sometimes it may be desirable, sometimes it may be a problem.
For your voice and this track I prefer B! It’s smooth and airy, where A has more bite and punch. Which is which? My guess would be A is U47 and B is GA47.
You are correct! The mid boost like you say sit a bit different on both mics. I think I prefer the original it gives the voice a bit more authority and sounds a bit more natural. Both sounds great so it really doesn't matter though! Thanks for watching!
It wasn't hard to hear which one was the U47.
great video! have you tried warm audio's 47?
Thanks! Nope no WA stuff on my channel. Would to try them all though 😁
Maybe there is something wrong with my ears, room, monitors but if i close my eyes i don't hear anything popping out between these tracks. Again maybe i'm missing something, but i would have a very hard time believing a music fan would even remotely be able to tell this was recorded with 2 different mics. And with it being SOO close, to me, i think the GA is a Home Run! This IS youtube and there may be subtle differences with the raw files, but man I don't hear it. I really want to, but I genuinely don't hear it
There is a tiny difference in the mids. The GA is a bit more mid forward (like 0.5db) and it also compress the signal a bit more. But yeah it's very small differences. I would been happy with either. I'm very happy with my Landslide cover which is completely made with the GA 47 XT :)
is there any clonecomes close to a modern Telefunken U47 ? also did u try a Pearlman tm 47
By the way again Praise God. Hallelujah
I just don't get why would you eq the mics on a shootout. Isn't the whole point of a shootout to hear the original source only?
You can download the raw files 👍 Personally I think it's important to present microphones in a mixed context. Microphones react bit differently once they're processed.
Idk if I missed it but which mic was the eq on the left?
I liked B more. It was clearer and more distinctive. And it was the Golden Age. Great! Suprising.
Listening to A and B before knowing which is which one: A sounds more natural and sits with the subtle distortion in the rest of the track and B that distortion kind of cuts through the vocal... A sounds more natural and organic... B is close though and if that is the Golden Age it's the closest I've heard so far... Although I'm not listening on the best speaker
It's weird I knew which one it was... although this is a very dry recording and there can be a preamp and some other processing that could give it what it is missing... and it's not much... I doubt I'll be in need of that diffrence in the productions I'll be doing till many years from now and maybe then the budget fits the vintage
A lot of production today use so many layering teciquesies to also get the same sound.
Back in the day of these microphones there wasn't such a possiblity of easily layering and the microphones had to have such a lot of depth to them to make that one recording count
whats the price
I like “A” uff
What did you use for pre amp and converters
Rme ufx gen1 and GoldenAge Premier 73 DLX 👍
There's a huge difference. I preferred A right from the start, I knew it was the Neuman U87. A sounds tighter and clearer, B sounds a bit mushy and it lacks the definition of A. If you really listen, the difference is night and day.
Omg, your voice is AMAZING, i think you are my new favorite singer. Do you have albums out?
Haha thanks! Sadly no! Nothing more then the few covers that are up on the channel.
@@Christian_svedin Oh man, its time for you to put out your album, no joke, you kick ass, everybody needs to hear your voice and originals. Keep us posted when you do. 👍👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💯
@@philmartin7474 thanks man! I'm not that creative I'm afraid but sure it's a dream to do something "one day". Thanks for the support
@@Christian_svedin Christian, i don’t believe that, you are highly creative, i can hear that in your own renditions/adaptions of cover songs and your feel/improving sense as well as your vocal variations, im going to say your probablly equally a genius songwriter,.. if you havent devoted time to this, then start immediatly, just start with simple ideas/chord combos, write a vocal melody to your riff or chord pattern, even if it sucks, just finish a complete song each month. Don’t worry about the lyrics, just create the vocal melody, sing whatever stupid words come to mind whose syllables match the rhythmic cadence of the vocal melody. Concentrate on the structure of the verse, pre chorus, chorus and an instrumental B section, an intro and a outro. Record it, file it. Complete the song minus the lyrics. Even if it sucks. Write another one next month, and so on, eventually the gems will be revealed. It takes practice like any other craft. You definitely have the improv music in you i know this for sure, its obvious. I bet anything you can eventually write hit chart topping songs. Now lets do this, you got this, don’t waste it.
@@philmartin7474 Thanks for the encouragement! I think it has allot to do with artist identy as well. You know what kind of music "do i want to do"? That's the hardest thing. I've written a couple of songs that I'm happy with that I think objectively is decent. But some are pop, some are metal haha. I'd love to find an identity and have a red thread in my writing. But I think i'd want to do something true, whatever that means. And I really don't know if I have anything to say, musically wise. But sure enough song writing is just like learning an instrument. Keep on hammering and you'll get there. Thanks once again :)
I don't really hear any difference in the mix. Nice job GA.
So is this considered a vintage telefunken u47 or a vintage neumann u47?
Vintage Telefunken and vintage Neumann is the same. Telefunken was only a distribution and never made any mics. Telefunken USA that exist today is just any other cloning company
@@Christian_svedin telefunken USA diamond series is better than clone companies as you say
The link to the raw files is not working!
They should. I've heard people had problems downloading previous episodes. Try a different browser if you can.
Nice test. Thanks. The Neumann sounds better. I was able to pick it out as it was more complex in its response. That's the usual difference in these tests and the Neumanns tend to have more bass and compression. Overall, the Neumann's tend to sound more alive, complex, 3 dimensional. The GA47 sounded kind of dull and simple by comparison (and that is the case with every clone I've heard including the FLEA 47) but its still very, very nice in general. The GA47 is very nice but its not a vintage Neumann.
Why would you use ANY EQ when doing a AB mic comparison, let alone 2 DIFFERENT EQ curves?!?! Fail... Mic B has too much high frequency hype. Definitely not the U47, unless it's been messed with
I always share the raw files so if you like you can download those! Thanks
its clearly u47 is more magic tgere
Prefiero el stam SA 47
"A" seems a bit louder, than "B". So better test by yourself with the same LUFS оn both tracks.
You speak for something like 3 minutes before you start the "shootout." So WHY don't you use one or both of the mics for your VO? It is difficult to get a true read with a mixed track. Let us hear the CLEAN vocal tracks, and a CLEAN narration read or something.
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They are NOT practicaly the same. There is a difference and Neumann is Neumann!
Golden age is shit