VOCALS 1 Neumann U-47 vs M-147 vs Golden Age Premier GA-47 vs Warm Audio WA-47 microphone shootout!
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- 00:03 - GA-47 (take 1 - female)
00:30 - M-147 (take 1 - female)
00:57 - U-47 (take 1 - female)
01:25 - WA-47 (take 1 - female)
01:52 - GA-47 (take 2 - male)
02:32 - M-147 (take 2 - male)
03:13 - U-47 (take 2 - male)
03:53 - WA-47 (take 2 - male)
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love U47, but WA47 is very close and no then expensive, great work Warm Audio
Sorry mate but it really isn't. Why is it that all the clones can't seem to hear what the original u47 sounds like? They all fuck up the k47 capsule and miss the point. Essentially every clone of a u47 seems to want you to think that a u47 sounds like someone applied a smiley curve EQ profile to it. It doesn't. It's blatantly obvious that it's extremely details in the mids and even slightly mid forward. I guess manufacturing a diaphragm that exhibits the frequency response of a u47 is still out of reach of everyone after all this time.
@@Screaming-Trees bet money you can’t tell them apart on a blind shoot out, no one can, just go to gearslutz you “golden ears” you 😆✌🏽
@@thedayones4918 Man I'd love for you to be right, but even in this example, the Neumann has much better midrange definition.
@@Screaming-Trees you can put another neumann U47 and it will not sound the same as the one they’re using so to say that warm didn’t get close enough and for a fraction of the price you might have to check your ears mate
@@lmrecordings Actually I think it is you who needs to get their ears checked mate. You can put up another U47 yes but it won't sound that different. This whole myth that Neumann tolerances in the 50s and 60s were inconsistent is utter rubbish. Neumann were incredibly precise and picky. Any differences between the U47s during their almost 20 years run are due to deliberate changes Neumann made over the course of the production lifespan of the microphone. Mid to late sixties 47s were already several hardware revisions different than the early fifties models. Consider also that only 1 in every 200 VF14s made it through Neumann quality control. It is not at all true to say that any two 47s were different due to quality control issues but there were some differences by design.
All that said the sound of the 47 is well defined even today. The K47 capsule is the same today as it was in the late 60s. It exhibits the same frequency response. I'm sorry but if you think Warm Audio is close you either have no idea what a 47 should sound like (in which case here:
th-cam.com/video/Q03eTYStBQ8/w-d-xo.html
Warm's clone sounds nothing like that.) or you have a shit monitoring setup and you can't hear the difference because of it. Which is kind of hard to believe because one microphone has a perfect, if slightly pronounced, midrange response and the other is just a big smiley curve. Or you just have an underdeveloped ear (which is common) and you need to train yours ears more. OR it's a combination of some of these. The 47 has a near perfect midrange. That's its genius. The Warm example doesn't even come close to that. And the price doesn't matter since one is desirable and the other isn't.
Clones are a dead end. Truth is noone knows how Neumann get that kind of frequency response out of their diaphragms. It is agreed industry wide that these are some of the best kept industry secrets still. It would be great if Neumann would share its processes. We could all learn and move forward as an industry but they won't. It's their IP and that's that. The chemical processes (the heating of the diaphragm in an oven, the cooling process, the tensioning and tuning etc) are all unknown factors that you can't reverse engineer. It's like the blue meth. Unless you know the process exactly you won't get the same result.
If you want the 47 sound the only game in town is Neumann really. Buy a TLM 49 and enjoy a single sided genuine K47 capsule or spend a bit a more and buy the FET 47 where you get the original, double sided K47 capsule. The rest is just a waste of time. You're deluding yourself if you think Warm or any other clone will get you that sound. And I mean why wouldn't you buy from Neumann? They're the original innovators. They invented the condenser microphone. Why not reward the innovators instead of clone companies who built their entire product line up on someone elses' IP?
Man, they are all so close. The thing for me though is that the U47 really captures the chest and body of the vocal (especially on the male vocal). All that extra low end energy/weight whatever you wanna call it just really captures the human character of the performance in a way where you know it's a person singing to you rather than just a sound. Imagine that recording a really inspired vocal performance and not a demo for a mic shootout. Not that I could ever afford one but I really don't think you can clone that without just building the exact mic and as close as the others are I don't think you could just compensate wih some Eq because those other mics probably capture the frequencies fine but they just don't capture the life of the vocal like the 47 did. Theres so many dumb descriptive words I could try to use to describe it but it just feels more real I guess. They're all so close sonically though. Amazing how close they are.
Nice vocals! WA47 sounds killer!!!! 🙌🏼
Love the Warm Audio! Just released a vocal and piano album recorded entirely on a wa47 - neve - tascam 644 ( cassette porta )
wich neve you use on it ? what impédence you use ? hi on low ? please.
I have one + 1073.
U47 obviously clear winner, but price wise the ga-47 is the best. Nice rounded chest and smooth silky highs. It's the closest to the Neumann U47, the the stam sa-47 would also be equal to the ga. The ga is made with top quality caps and other parts including the tube. The WA-47 is very sibilant on the highs and made from lower spec parts as you might expect at its price point. They are also very fickle. Many have been reported with quality control problems, and burning out tubes in a short space of time. I know one person who sent back 3 WA47's because of problems. Something you don't want in a studio.
At the end of the day you get what you pay for. There are a lot of good mics out there at the midrange price. It's a matter of finding the right mic for your voice, but this video is a great way of getting a rough idea of how all the mics sound, and everybody hears things different.
With the Neumann U47 being the measure - to my ears the Warm was the closest on a budget and the M147 was shockingly close...like really really hard to tell the difference...and that's soloed. I can only imagine that in a mix it would be nearly impossible to tell a difference at all. Excellent demo - thanks!
I'd actually choose the WA47 over the GA and M-147 in this shootout, but not the U47. There is a tonal/texture difference, but can definitely get the job done in a professional facility. In the pro environment, it would still sound amazing without the "clone" marketing attached to it. an AKG 214 is a workhorse in our studio and we have plaques on the wall using it, so I'm sure the WA47 can/will hold its own water. I'm looking to grab the new WA251 and pair it with our Neve 1073 DPA and some subtle compression from the CL1B. Great Job WA! Keep it coming! I own a WA76 and it gets some pretty good use.
Facts
Ladies got pipes!
U-47... something amazing there. Compressing those high mids just right. Literally mix ready just recording the thing. WA-47 was closest but had a little harshness to tame.
she sounds amazing
The U 47 wins. But the WA 47 sounds great at what fraction of the cost?
Original U 47 the KING! Warm WA47 is amazing
WA sounds the nicest to me
They are so close, imo. The female vocal seemed a better take, the male has a lot of room in the sound. I guess being so far away from the mic's more room enters the equation.
Thanks for the comparison...you actually have a U47 in the test....5 stars for that!
m-147 I find to be the one most favord to me... although the placement can make small diffrences in the same way the grill makes a diffrence... in another video I might have another opinion.
It's a tiny diffrence that can make a big diffence to the overal vibe to a track.
In this video I'm prefering it to the Neumann U-47...
GA and WA are good in their own right... adding money adds body and more finished sound, which makes then micing easier... so it makes sense in a professional studio to get the others... if you have the time but not the money... then you fit the need of the WA and GA... it will just take a bit more time, which for a hobbie/business with more time for each project they will work just fine and give your creativity a good push
for condenser microphones these are not 4 equivalent positions. The soundwaves of the girl 's voice (the only one that counts in this test) do not hit the mics the same way. Even so, the real U47 sounds far more open - indeed ridiculously more - than the "clones". So much so, that I don't know if the cloning has worked at all...
The male singer is so cringe that it’s hard to concentrate on the mics. With the lady, the U47 and WA are fantastic.
Bob?! Bass man? Remember me? Glegoly 😛 Happy new year dude
Neumann U47 sounds smoothest to me and best on these particular voices, esp. the female; not as much difference on the male.
I agree in this recording, the U47 is smoother but if a compressor is applied, it might not make much of a difference. The WA47 seems to poke out a little more which may be an advantage in a mix. Either way, I can see out both mics can be good in its own identity.
Thank you. Not a big fan of the 147, The WA is ok, but, I just purchased the GA-47 after listening to this. On the firls fox there was just a little more smoothness in the "warn" area. The U-47 is just the standard isn't it. For me, over the years it has been great on some vox and so so on others. For 37K it better make me waffles in the morning. The WA-47 just didn't feel good to me. It's really just individual preference isn't it. Get the best mic you can reasonably afford. Then, make music. Rock on!
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has a lot to do with the source. Some sources will reveal the differences more readily. I think this illustrates a lot though. In the grand scheme of it, all the differences are pretty subtle. Under the right circumstances, you will hear the U47 is weightier sounding. I found the WA 47 to be a little brighter as well. I need to compare in person but I think some of the newer ones resolve more detail than the original as well. No, older is not better. I think it is much the same as guys who work with NS10's. They have to be one of the worst sounding speakers ever made. I shit you not though. One producer, I worked with used them on everything. One day I asked him what was the deal with that. Trust me this is a guy who knows the great sound. We worked on some crazy great recordings. Like George Massenburg style. Very clean, hyper-accurate but he always did part of his mixing on NS 10's. His answer was he knows they are horrible and so far from flat it is not funny but he said: "if it sounds good on them it will sound great anyway".
They just never worked for me. I need my monitors to sound like what it sounds like. My point is he is not wrong. He has just learned a way of working that works for him. If you are used to a mic doing a specific thing in a specific way. If you change that mic then you have to completely reinvent how you do what you do in order to get a similar result. What? A U47 sounds old. You know a little dirty, not quite so breathy and well a little out of focus. We call that "Vintage". Hey it has been around for 50+ years. We know that sound and we miss it but the reality is that we learned a lot about how to make microphones cleaner, more open and accurate in that 50+ years. The old engineers (just like the old car guys) swear up and down "they just don't know how to make anything good anymore" but wait. Mr Rupert Neve never had a mic line until recently. He could have anyone make that for him including Neumann. Umm. He had a Chinese firm take that on for him. Trust me. It is a Rupert Neve product. They are fantastic. In defence of the old guys the first forays that were made in Chinese mic manufacturing were just cheap crap. Umm AKG makes cheap crap along with their good stuff too and they used to be all made in Austria. Like everyone they can make great things when they want to as well though. If they were made in the US Ruperts pencil condensers would have been 5 grand a piece and not sound one bit better and depending on where they were made not be very consistent either. An issue we used to have with all mics solved through modern manufacturing methods. A new design is going to sound well new. Huh??? Clean, Clear Accurate... more like the source not dirty, fuzzy and dull.
Yes, they should let that old u47 rest in piece and glory and let the mic collectors have it, not actually use it in modern recordings lol.
I love that we have such a variety of sounds now. We just need to remove the "elite" status and replace it with the "vintage" title instead.
Thx so much Rob...........
That finger singing though😂
leave her fingers alone. lol
U47 sounds as bright as U67. Why? Didn't expected this. Maybe different tube with high output, or capacitors are film? Sounds like if the paper caps were swapped to a polypropylene. It cannot be, for sure. Too "clean" for U47.
what preamp what do you used?
The one that I prefer in this video (unconsidering Telefunken😅💶) is the GA47, anyway I bought the WA47 because of the price
I just bought the GA-47
I’ll take the $800 WA any day because it’s not a $20000 impressive difference 🤷🏾♂️
Now $900
no idea about the microphones... but she sings insanely good.
The U47 was the best, but I found funny, almost ludicrous those who trash the WA47. Usually they are the ones who fail blind shootouts.
The Neumann U47 had the same harshness on the top end as the Warm Audio WA47 in my ears. Definitely the closest match.
I actually preferred the M147 and GA47 solo’d but I imagine I’d want that harshness back when mixing. It likely helps it cut through the mix
I like WA76 more than U47 today.
Listening through all 4 nine of the 3 have the warm low end that the golden age 47 had all the others were kinda just clear and only had good mid range
If the WA47 and U47 were the same price, I sincerely doubt that anyone here would pick the WA. Just like plugins...they're great and some are ' 'really close' to the hardware, but never ever quite as good.
It's always that last 5%.
Clones and plugins win on price and convenience, just not on absolute sound quality. (However... don't know about you, but I'd rather listen to an interesting singer with a good song through a WA47 than some mediocre drivel through a U47.)
U47 here sounds too airy on female voice not so much on the males' voice though. WA47 actually sounds better on the females voice than all the rest and the wa47, m-147 & u47 all sound good on the males' voice . I listened on 3 different monitor speakers.
wow...I listened to so many of these "mic shootouts" and for the life of me I cannot hear any differences. I just heard a u87 shootout and I couldn't tell. This is the 1st time I could really hear it. Was very subtle, they are all in the same family sorta thing, but the 2 neumann mics sounded more refined I guess, the golden age was close, but the warm was the most.. almost bland. It had the same sorta "S" top end in it, but the clarity in the mids was slightly duller. I could hear it on the 1st girl more so and on the 2nd guy the U47 sort of came forward in the presence freq's, but I would NEVER pay the $ for a U47 with that warm as close as it was...a tad of eq or maybe some saturation in the presence freqs...they all sounded good, but that GA mic is pretty cool
once youve owned a U47 your thought process will be different. Bock Audio makes one that sounds just like the Telefunken, he fixes the vintage ones, and his 251 rivals an elam, I know Ive owned it, it has THE VOCAL sound
Nothing touches a well-preserved U47 with an original or well reskinned capsule! Just focus on the mid-frequency distortions which the other mikes introduce to the female vocal.
The U47 actually has surprisingly more distortion. Just an observation.
Well, it seems the mic clone guys get right at least this lo-fi microphone (not the case for u87 clones and the more hi-fi stuff), since I must admit they sound quite the same... but I don't like the sound at all, I don't see why would you use such a dark mic in this day and age, but hey ;)
To do this test the best way, the same exact vocal should have been recorded simultaneously by all four mikes and played back switching between all four takes. Then repeated and switching the order.
WA 47 Sounds way harder. While the Neumanns are super smooth and transport more Emotion. Dispite that Facts the other 2 Microphones are good for their Price.
the warm always lacks attack. Sounds nice, but it's like a pillow. No punch. I like the M-147 the best on both singers
On the male vocals, I found the WA-47, just a tad harsh. For example, the second word "I" of the first sentence. You can hear a slight harshness with the WA-47.
I agree. It sounded the brightest for the female take too
How rude! It's about the microphone and not how good the singer is. He has a timbre that is good enough to gauge how good the microphone is, and that should be enough. This is not an episode of ’The Voice’.
I like u47 the best. The m147 was the harshest mic
on the female vocals my preference is M147 > WA47 > GA47 > U47. The U47 has a weird hiss.
on the male vocals U47 > WA47 > M147 > GA47. I don't know why, but the U47 sounds more clean to me on the male vocals. the hiss from the female vocals is gone and transformed in to some more pleasent definition.
in the end I wouldn't buy any of them. I think there are better vocal mics out there. non the less, big thanks for the comparison. really intersting!
What would you recommend instead? I agree with your review
if we close our eyes we will hear different sounds and I am convinced that one of the best will be wa47
U47 sounds the best
I can't hear much difference at all
Nice review. I have a u47 mic and i experience a problem with how to connect to my computer like other mics, please kindly assist▪︎thank you
u47 the clear winner!
some people got rear problems
JV Strats hahah! I heard it too. Lol
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Man something in your setup just makes my ears twitch listening to your recordings. Hi freq distortion
Hey, if you see this could you tell us what the rest of your chain is in this test? What preamp are you using? What interface? What polar pattern do you have each mic set to? I assume you're just recording straight into your DAW with no processing, but can you confirm that? Is your room treated? (I'm not judging you if not, I just want to know all the other variables). Thanks for making this vid!
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0:58 u 47
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Wa-47 best mic 🎤
Tough call.
What you people arguing need to think about is can someone wearing cheap earbuds on their Iphone tell the difference?
and how many of them arguing on various mic shoot outs are listening to the demos on cheap earbuds HAHAHAHAHA!
People who know how to listen, yes.
@@zeitakulobusta9708 How do you accurately listen to a mix on INFERIOR equipment? This is a typical comment from a troll with NO CONTENT.
@@NURREDIN how about having a dialogue instead of trying to 'win'?
Your question was can someone tell the difference? My answer is yes, I can tell the difference. Ok maybe my earbuds aren't super cheap but even so.
Expensive gear doesn't automatically equal better grasp of sonics in the listener - this is why you still see NS10s in studios.
And why does me not 'having content' matter? I prefer to focus on my work/creativity and family.
@@zeitakulobusta9708 I happen to own a pair of vintage NS10M's.I use them every day. If you're in the industry and you have no content,just WHAT do you do? Post up your content so we can see what you do.
What preamp did you use?
Please take great singer for testing this microphone !
She is
it'sLue i was talkîng about the man
she would sound good on a 20 dollar mike...
dude, put your hands down. They are causing reflections. I can hear you moving. Chill out homie.
To be fair I reckon that the dodgy TH-cam sound is going to have way more effect than a little bit hand waving
Wow the room is so bad, makes the comparison pointless
Are there any vocal processing on the vocals and what preamp are used?
Hi, in the description you'll find a link to all the info you need. No processing, Mic pres: Quad8 Best :)
Huh. I listened on headphones, completely blind, so I wasn’t pre-forming opinions. I was surprised by what I liked, based solely on their sound.
Her, in order 1, 4, 3, 2. Hopefully if you can afford a Neumann you can also afford a really good de-esser!
Him: he needed some brightness. 3, 2, 1, 4.
I had the same experience, 1 and 4 were clear winners on her, and 3 really stood out as best on the guy's voice with the extra clarity toward the top.
u47 sounds like a record. The rest eh..
This isn’t a male singer, sorry.
Room has a lot of reverb
And the recordings are slightly distorted as someone already mentioned, something in the recording chain is not right
Sorry, but they are not very good voices for mic comparsion - both voices are very flat, "single-frequencies" voies, they do not have bass or trieble, they are not "harsh", "grainy", they have no "smell" intheir voices, so they sound very simillar on all microphones. They can sing, but are not very good for mic testing. If you can, please, next time try to let sing some "smelly jazz voice", older man or woman with harsh/smell in the voice. For these voicer, all mics are close to be equal.
All of the mics sounded cheap and muddy compared to the real U47.
What a crap room!!
To much saliva on the mouth of the male singer...
Wa 47.
Big difference.. U47 is full, warm but still bright, beautiful mic. Warm audio sounds realy cheap and dull..I hate warm audio, it is fake making company..You can not make the "sound" with this microphone! i am Sorry Warm Audio.
Tomas Brent 🤣🤣🤣 man you probably can’t afford one that’s why you’re upset. The wa47 is a fine mic 😢🤣
Juan, I am professonall producer, composer and sound desogner. Take a look www.madelinemusicpro.com . You must take attention to the fact, if one mic cost amount of money and is most famous vocal mic and this "clone" cost 16 times less, there is a HUGE probabillity they are playing not far game with you. If you dont hear it, no problem. Try to listen differently a bit. My aproach is this: Listen especially at spectrum from 150Hz to 500Hz and tom end from 6K to 15K, and you'll see the truth. Warm audio sounds Dull and has notplesant sibilances. Take a look man. If you not hear different at all, try different room acoustic, or monitors, or convertor...Good luck
im in a fully treated room I listened to your stuff your vocals sit way under the mix(I listened to the country rock one) im wondering what monitors you are listening on? or what combos of monitors your are on
I tried 3 monitors. Auratone, NS-10 and big Genelecs..Lynx convertor...But my friend, it really doesnt metter, this mic is bad on every system..
Tomas Brent I’m just questioning your ears when in your own works the vocals seem to hide in the mix and don’t sit well.