Edit - I accidentally said the Venus sisters but definitely meant the Williams sisters. My bad on the mix up! What's up legends! Let me know your thoughts on Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore - do you think they are BOTH gone? If not, which one will end up being traded or released??
Honestly it would be a good thing if Toney and Sky both go. KC needs better options at wide out, and we clearly know Toney and Sky aren't great. Make room boys!!!
@@user-qu8vu9nk6yseveral undrafted free agents or later round draft picks, whether the big, physical RB, or the rugby, guy, or the safety/nickel corner, who was a steal as he dropped in the draft.
One thing I believe we lack is a true WR coach, with NFL experience. We had that in Greg Lewis and who knows if Skyy & Tonie's development would be further along.
None of the Chiefs’ wide receivers developed under the last coach either. I think ultimately Andy just prefers guys like Mecole or Skyy over guys like McLaurin or Pickett.
'Roasting' can seem harsh, but it's always good-natured underneath, or at least it used to be. Those comments from the stage were like daggers, full of serious (barely veiled), visceral hatred.
It’s crazy Toney has 2 rings with a rocky career, while some players without a blemish on their career have none. I hope he understands how blessed he is and balls out.💯💯
I don’t understand why Hardman’s contract is so low. Is it his age? Is he injury prone? Does he need a new agent? He was part of the Legion of Zoom, he caught the winning touchdown, he returns the ball pretty well, he’s fast. I don’t get it? It’s barely up there with Matt Araiza.
imo he is more of a gadget player. he is like dexter mcluster as a WR. he doesn't track the deep ball well, and doesnt really get open unless the whole play is him doin a jet screen or something.
He fumbles punts regularly and couldn’t even make the sorry jets lineup behind two undrafted rookies. Mahomes and Reid are the only reason he still has an nfl career 😊
He's made some great catches, but like others have pointed out, struggles with tracking the deep ball, creating separation, & consistency. I'll add that when he gave up on a ball he could have still caught to wave at the ref for a PI call. . .that was kind of last straw for me.
I would keep Skyy Moore, and help Toney pack his bag. Don't forget that Skyy came from a small school, and was expected to be a project, from the start.
Obvious to me. Kelce is training new weapons to see the field like he does for Mahomes so he has an arsonal of mini Kelces. If you are not reliable...you are not going to make the roster. Toney can go. He's had 3+ years to improve. Skyy is on the fence.
I don't think Kelce's skills are that trainable, he's explained on the podcast he has a tough time explaining how he can what he does. He has the unique background of having also been a QB, so he has an intuitive understanding of years of what QB sees pre-snap and coverage reads to react in the moment.
Sky can't get open most of the time and Toney is a flakey unfocused clown. I wish them both the best and thank them for their contributions in winning SB 57 though. Now LFG.
They were a huge reason our receiving core was horrendous last year. When the only big plays u can consistently count on them to make are big plays in the other team's favor its bad
Hey how bout we all as chiefs fans actually LISTEN and READ what Butker said and not repeat what people say he said. And how about we just do sports here and not get all butt hurt about words. Oh no. Words. 1984 Wrongthink.
I'm done with the Butker drama. I support him and his views and HOPE he has another awesome season for us! When Toney didn't show up for OTAs, that tells me he isn't serious about wanting to be a better player and to be part of this team. I don't know who else have to return punts though. lol. Skyy Moore struggled mightily with that duty. Trade Toney for a 7th rounder if any team will take him and maybe find someone left in free agency to handle punt return duties? I think Richie James is still out there? Maybe bring him back?
unpopular opinion but toney has way more upside, you can‘t be viewed like a 1000 yard receiver and after one bad year with injuries like a wr nobody would trade for imo. Give this man his last chance!
Idk , about the Chiefs plans for trading for another receiver , but giving Kelce crap about blocking , I think plays are designed for him to numb and run , because the he gets out there the better , where Kittle I believe plays are designed for him to strictly block only
Cut Toney. Trade Moore. Edit: And yes, the Williams sisters are free to say whatever they want. As they do that, they are actually demonstrating where the true class and grace is. Not with them.
I'm calling it now. Skyy Moore is getting traded to Cinci, the dual threat of Skyy and Chase will be underwhelming, and the Paw Patrol references from the commentators will be insufferable.
Not enough gaps on the Mahomes standing. Toney probably needs to save all the money he can because I highly doubt any other team will pick him up. Even the Bears or Panthers aren't that needy yet. Moore might work elsewhere under a different system but he's not working out in KC. I say LRZ needs their spot on the 53.
Would rather have KT than Skyy Moore.. Skyy Moore has no separation, can’t catch, and looks so small out there!! At least KT can run after the catch, if he catches it!!
I am an old fan and feel that jersey buying is going down. The reason is free agency, Trades and horrible refs. Most fans have bought a jersey just to watch that player move on. This was a problem for me with Justin Houston. I have not bought a jersey since that trade.
I hope they can find better options if Toney and Moore are both cut from the team. The WR room needs to be strong 💪 this year, Patrick needs dependable guys that will make plays.
I've seen with my own eyes Kadarius Toney be a dynamic player who can AT LEAST get open. Sky Moore has been open maybe a handful of times in his entire career. He is the easy cut for me.
People used to understand that the point of a man's career was to support a family. I'm all for women having careers, but I think the best female strategy for family is to marry a man who built a career or who has solid career potential. Once her little ones are old enough to be somewhat independent, she can pursue a career, if she wants, with the family stuff all handled. I think it's a lot tougher for a woman to try to start a family in her 30s. Having a family is tough. It's a lot of work. The rewards are through the roof. Growing older without starting a family is even tougher. Harrison Butker wasn't wrong.
Well, Toney's value in the trade market is a matter of a 6th or 7th round pick at best. If someone was going to try and claim him off waivers thinking we were going to dump him, they might be inclined to trade for him if they didn't think they would be the one who got him off waiver claims. The nice thing if they let him go is that someone would pick him up for the minimum, which would end upcoming off our cap hit. His cap hit would end up being about 1.25 or half of whatever the biggest number 2.5 I think you said. I think both would have to light it up to stick around. It would be better to bring back guys like Pringle rather than keep them. Not saying they would, but just pointing out that they would have to really light it up to stick around, I think.
After the refs were basically violating Taylor with there whistles in the beginning of the season he played really good ball. All of those penalty #s are inflated from a few bad games
I'm actually ok losing toney and Moore, at this point. BTW, I'm glad they didn't put "pop" in the top 10, only if to give him more fuel for angry runing!!!
The Chiefs will need the NFL to announce what is going to happen with Rice. Will he be allowed to play until the legal case is decided in court? Will they ask him to "sit out" until it's decided (Commisioners exempt list)? The indication is they will wait until it's decided in court, so will they let him play or not? If Rice is unavailable it will impact the Chief's decision on what to do with Skyy Moore. KT controls his own future still. He can be the guy who proves the Chiefs staff right or wrong about him. The Chief's are giving him every opportunity to turn this around, lets see what he does over the next few weeks. I say this because KT has more natural "talent" the Skyy does, it's just unharnessed right now.
Say goodbye to Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore. Unless one of them has a HUGE training camp and pre-season, I would expect both of them to be gone. There will be a better player available when teams make their final cutdowns. You KNOW Brett Veach will have his eyes on the waiver wire.
Travis a champ all day, omenihue is top tier and he will be back. Josh Allen is just a running qb. Id hate to see Toney go but Id take mckinnon and let him go. Moore can go.
Love that the same folks who were supposed to be boycotting the NFL over Kaepernick are now scarfing up Butker jerseys to make a diff political point. You in or out on FOOTBALL ppl?
Neither player (Toney or Moore) should not; but still could, make the team! MVPatrick deserves better options! Toney is injury prone and Moore is obviously a VERY slow learner!
How did Sneed do on the list? Someone needs to tell Butker that Tweet arguments are never a good look. He should have left it at the first paragraph and come away looking like the bigger person.
They save money cutting skymo but not a dollar cutting Toney. He’s a high upside guy so unless he’s totally checked out I don’t see them cutting him when rice will face suspension and worthy is a rook. Moore is gone but Toney like 90 percent makes the 53 at least till rice gets back
Sigh. I love Toney's "ceiling" but he is very fragile and he really should have been there for OTAs. Guess I have to go for Moore. As to Butker v Williams sisters, he deserved what he got from those ladies if only because he addressed Serena as "Mrs" Williams, placing him squarely in the 1950s at the latest.
Edit - I accidentally said the Venus sisters but definitely meant the Williams sisters. My bad on the mix up!
What's up legends! Let me know your thoughts on Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore - do you think they are BOTH gone? If not, which one will end up being traded or released??
If I was veach I’d get rid of both Toney and Skyy. They’ve had their chances and have accomplished nothing. But I don’t think they’ll both be cut
Nah I think KT going to get cut and sky Moore staying that's my opinion 🫡💪🏿
@@ObnoxiousGas23 longest punt return in SuperBowl history AND a TD is accomplishing nothing? he had 1 bad season lmao
I heard Whitt Merrifield is a free agent… I know he can catch 😁😁😁😁
I think sky Moore going to show out in camp to show them he nicer than KT
KT isn't taking this seriously at all. Skipped OTA's. If he was going to ball out this year, he would have showed up then.
He will have a lot better season this year or career is over most likely
Yeah following him on Instagram...he doesn't seem to be doing anything football related at all
KT doesn’t surprise me. Moore seems to work hard and just not get any better so it also makes sense
Both can go
Like Bill Parcels said, "Talent sets the floor, character sets the ceiling.". With that maxim in mind, I will take Skyy over KT.
Skyy has never once contributed to our offense. There is no point in keeping him.
Toney can stay if he loses the attitude, but it's obvious he's not into it anymore so he can go.
You mean the same George Kittle who got distracted on the first drive of the SB, quit on his block and allowed Karlaftis to recover a fumble?
Honestly it would be a good thing if Toney and Sky both go. KC needs better options at wide out, and we clearly know Toney and Sky aren't great. Make room boys!!!
So right
They had their moments, but moments don't contribute to the overall receiver room over a season which is why WR room deteriorated over time.
i just don’t want them to let a better receiver go because they want to hold on to sky and toney, aka remingio
Tell me smart man with 3million who we getting that's better 🤷♂️🤷🤷♂️
@@user-qu8vu9nk6yseveral undrafted free agents or later round draft picks, whether the big, physical RB, or the rugby, guy, or the safety/nickel corner, who was a steal as he dropped in the draft.
Let's Go Get That 3' Peat... Let's Go Chiefs! 🏆🏆🏆👍
I applaud Butker for taking a joke… they don’t mention you if you’re not an influencer
Or a bigoted idiot
One thing I believe we lack is a true WR coach, with NFL experience. We had that in Greg Lewis and who knows if Skyy & Tonie's development would be further along.
None of the Chiefs’ wide receivers developed under the last coach either. I think ultimately Andy just prefers guys like Mecole or Skyy over guys like McLaurin or Pickett.
@@JonT1137 I disagree. Tyreek Hill, DRob, & Pringle developed under Greg Lewis. He played in Andy's system. He was a legit coach.
'Roasting' can seem harsh, but it's always good-natured underneath, or at least it used to be. Those comments from the stage were like daggers, full of serious (barely veiled), visceral hatred.
It’s crazy Toney has 2 rings with a rocky career, while some players without a blemish on their career have none. I hope he understands how blessed he is and balls out.💯💯
I don’t understand why Hardman’s contract is so low. Is it his age? Is he injury prone? Does he need a new agent? He was part of the Legion of Zoom, he caught the winning touchdown, he returns the ball pretty well, he’s fast. I don’t get it? It’s barely up there with Matt Araiza.
It's because the Chiefs prioritize Kadaruis and Skyy too much
imo he is more of a gadget player. he is like dexter mcluster as a WR. he doesn't track the deep ball well, and doesnt really get open unless the whole play is him doin a jet screen or something.
He fumbles punts regularly and couldn’t even make the sorry jets lineup behind two undrafted rookies. Mahomes and Reid are the only reason he still has an nfl career 😊
He's made some great catches, but like others have pointed out, struggles with tracking the deep ball, creating separation, & consistency. I'll add that when he gave up on a ball he could have still caught to wave at the ref for a PI call. . .that was kind of last straw for me.
I would keep Skyy Moore, and help Toney pack his bag. Don't forget that Skyy came from a small school, and was expected to be a project, from the start.
Obvious to me. Kelce is training new weapons to see the field like he does for Mahomes so he has an arsonal of mini Kelces. If you are not reliable...you are not going to make the roster. Toney can go. He's had 3+ years to improve. Skyy is on the fence.
I don't think Kelce's skills are that trainable, he's explained on the podcast he has a tough time explaining how he can what he does. He has the unique background of having also been a QB, so he has an intuitive understanding of years of what QB sees pre-snap and coverage reads to react in the moment.
Sky can't get open most of the time and Toney is a flakey unfocused clown. I wish them both the best and thank them for their contributions in winning SB 57 though. Now LFG.
The Chief's need to hired steve Smith as a Wr coach please
I met J Reid at the Draft last year. Very nice guy. Rooting for continued success his way.
I couldn’t care less what those ladies say I’ll take Butker over them any day kicking a field goal.
I'm getting rid of Moore and Toney and rolling with Rice, Brown, Worth, Ross, Watson, Hardman in that order. It's time for Ross to get playing time
Seen everything I need to see from Skyy. There is no trade value, there is no keep value.
Love the shirt We can be hopeful for the future. Glad to hear your freedom rally great job!
I didn’t know I could like Butker any more. Glad I bought his jersey in April…
They were a huge reason our receiving core was horrendous last year. When the only big plays u can consistently count on them to make are big plays in the other team's favor its bad
Not true at all. Rice had more drops & possible turnovers. Also, Mahomes isn't always accurate.
@@KSU-ce2ucSure, Pat ain't perfect. But Rice did not have more drops.
@@KSU-ce2uc
Skyy it's you again!!😆😆
Sky has the higher floor, Toney has the higher ceiling.
But Nikko has better taste in interior design.
Hey how bout we all as chiefs fans actually LISTEN and READ what Butker said and not repeat what people say he said. And how about we just do sports here and not get all butt hurt about words. Oh no. Words. 1984 Wrongthink.
Harrison said nothing bad about women, just typical unhinged behaviour from others.
Toney and Moore have been sorry, so why would anyone be surprised they get cut?
Butker with the W response.
Faxxx
I'm done with the Butker drama. I support him and his views and HOPE he has another awesome season for us! When Toney didn't show up for OTAs, that tells me he isn't serious about wanting to be a better player and to be part of this team. I don't know who else have to return punts though. lol. Skyy Moore struggled mightily with that duty. Trade Toney for a 7th rounder if any team will take him and maybe find someone left in free agency to handle punt return duties? I think Richie James is still out there? Maybe bring him back?
Great update! Thanks
NUEVE = 9 (: gotchu Cole
unpopular opinion but toney has way more upside, you can‘t be viewed like a 1000 yard receiver and after one bad year with injuries like a wr nobody would trade for imo. Give this man his last chance!
Idk , about the Chiefs plans for trading for another receiver , but giving Kelce crap about blocking , I think plays are designed for him to numb and run , because the he gets out there the better , where Kittle I believe plays are designed for him to strictly block only
Let’s go another Cole upload
If a bowling ball and a pinball had a baby, it would be Isaiah Pacheco.
LMMFAO gap then a gap then a gap then everyone else!! lol love it!!
And that shirt is 🔥!!!
Cut Toney. Trade Moore.
Edit:
And yes, the Williams sisters are free to say whatever they want. As they do that, they are actually demonstrating where the true class and grace is. Not with them.
It must of been Mike Florio who voted for Josh Allen
I’m sure Harrison Butker doesn’t really care about what people say or think about him tbh. Go Buttkicker! We stand with you.
I'm calling it now. Skyy Moore is getting traded to Cinci, the dual threat of Skyy and Chase will be underwhelming, and the Paw Patrol references from the commentators will be insufferable.
Naw Cinci clinging to Tee Higgins like a life raft for some reason 😂
How does Josh Allen get a #1 vote? Did they let his mom cast a ballot? 😅
Not enough gaps on the Mahomes standing. Toney probably needs to save all the money he can because I highly doubt any other team will pick him up. Even the Bears or Panthers aren't that needy yet. Moore might work elsewhere under a different system but he's not working out in KC. I say LRZ needs their spot on the 53.
Bring JuJu back
I'm just ready for football
The #1 TE is Hockinson now..If he doesn't get hurt last year he has a MONSTER season last season
Honestly it’s best if they go cause it gives so many opportunities for new receivers to make the starting job
Would rather have KT than Skyy Moore.. Skyy Moore has no separation, can’t catch, and looks so small out there!! At least KT can run after the catch, if he catches it!!
Skye is a bust. Get rid of him. I would keep Kadarious, then at the end of the season, he is a free agent.
I am an old fan and feel that jersey buying is going down. The reason is free agency, Trades and horrible refs. Most fans have bought a jersey just to watch that player move on. This was a problem for me with Justin Houston. I have not bought a jersey since that trade.
He is the reason why we got that super bowl a year ago I'm liking toney man
One good moment in how long? How many drops and turns overs?
I hope they can find better options if Toney and Moore are both cut from the team. The WR room needs to be strong 💪 this year, Patrick needs dependable guys that will make plays.
I've seen with my own eyes Kadarius Toney be a dynamic player who can AT LEAST get open. Sky Moore has been open maybe a handful of times in his entire career. He is the easy cut for me.
Our culture is in a state of ROT! I stand with Butker!
People used to understand that the point of a man's career was to support a family. I'm all for women having careers, but I think the best female strategy for family is to marry a man who built a career or who has solid career potential. Once her little ones are old enough to be somewhat independent, she can pursue a career, if she wants, with the family stuff all handled. I think it's a lot tougher for a woman to try to start a family in her 30s.
Having a family is tough. It's a lot of work. The rewards are through the roof. Growing older without starting a family is even tougher. Harrison Butker wasn't wrong.
man, skyy was my first sig by a chiefs player so he's my guy and it kinda makes me sad when they say we sucks and needs to leave
Gap, gap and another gap is FACTS!🤣
Do we get to keep the Toney emoji?
Pacheco s blocking abilities keeps him outta top 10!!
Well, Toney's value in the trade market is a matter of a 6th or 7th round pick at best. If someone was going to try and claim him off waivers thinking we were going to dump him, they might be inclined to trade for him if they didn't think they would be the one who got him off waiver claims.
The nice thing if they let him go is that someone would pick him up for the minimum, which would end upcoming off our cap hit. His cap hit would end up being about 1.25 or half of whatever the biggest number 2.5 I think you said. I think both would have to light it up to stick around. It would be better to bring back guys like Pringle rather than keep them. Not saying they would, but just pointing out that they would have to really light it up to stick around, I think.
I got my number seven Jersey let's go Chiefs
I am more worried about Toney’s health his running style contributes to his issues.
After the refs were basically violating Taylor with there whistles in the beginning of the season he played really good ball. All of those penalty #s are inflated from a few bad games
Allen is #4 at best. Pat, Burrow and Jackson are top 3.
I'm actually ok losing toney and Moore, at this point. BTW, I'm glad they didn't put "pop" in the top 10, only if to give him more fuel for angry runing!!!
The Williams sisters were not joking. They just wanted to be mean.
The Chiefs will need the NFL to announce what is going to happen with Rice. Will he be allowed to play until the legal case is decided in court? Will they ask him to "sit out" until it's decided (Commisioners exempt list)? The indication is they will wait until it's decided in court, so will they let him play or not? If Rice is unavailable it will impact the Chief's decision on what to do with Skyy Moore. KT controls his own future still. He can be the guy who proves the Chiefs staff right or wrong about him. The Chief's are giving him every opportunity to turn this around, lets see what he does over the next few weeks. I say this because KT has more natural "talent" the Skyy does, it's just unharnessed right now.
Both would be gone, I’d be working keeping Bolton.
Skyy has been a huge disappointment.
Let’s Gooooo 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Butker also has 3 superbowls CHUMP TWINS!
I would trade them both. They have not played up to expectation. True disappointments
Say goodbye to Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore. Unless one of them has a HUGE training camp and pre-season, I would expect both of them to be gone. There will be a better player available when teams make their final cutdowns. You KNOW Brett Veach will have his eyes on the waiver wire.
If I was Andy Reid I would drop both of them and work harder with LRZ he is my pic to show the NFL he is the real deal.
Travis a champ all day, omenihue is top tier and he will be back.
Josh Allen is just a running qb.
Id hate to see Toney go but Id take mckinnon and let him go. Moore can go.
KT doesn't act like he cares. Moore is trying but just doesn't catch. Kittle doesn't get #1. Kelce all day
In the spirit of everybody has the right to say anything about anybody:
Are we sure the Williams are qualified to defend “women?”
If rice doesn't get suspended. It will be rice brown worthy Watson hardman toney
My wife wanted his jersey..and got one after his speech.
ew
I ordered one before it, and got it after. And I’m glad I did, because they were sold out for a solid week afterwards.
Love that the same folks who were supposed to be boycotting the NFL over Kaepernick are now scarfing up Butker jerseys to make a diff political point. You in or out on FOOTBALL ppl?
I’m cool with that.. Toney is always injured. And Skyy Moore just flat out SUCKS. There’s nothing he does well. Absolutely nothing.
Surely somebody is going to cut a quality receiver that the Chiefs can pick up on the cheap who will be much better than those two.
It was the vote at q&a though. Toney and sky combo got most votes to not make it
I don't care u like KT. Last year was disappointing, I still like is style of play not the drops 💧
I've seen enough of both of them. Get em out of here
not only could they find themselves on another team, likely UFL, but hopefully they find themselves on another team
Doubt these receivers appreciate how much they benefit from system and team
Williams Sisters, not Venus Sisters - though as likely a dig as an error.
Neither player (Toney or Moore) should not; but still could, make the team! MVPatrick deserves better options! Toney is injury prone and Moore is obviously a VERY slow learner!
I hope the Chiefs give Nikko a shot to make the roster..I’d rather let go of Sky instead of Toney tbh
If you would of gone back to the Toney vs Moore to make the 53 man roster I think I would pick sky
Toney's athletic ceiling is meaningless. He just doesn't work that hard. He would rather do music.
How did Sneed do on the list?
Someone needs to tell Butker that Tweet arguments are never a good look. He should have left it at the first paragraph and come away looking like the bigger person.
Most likely, one makes it, and one is cut.
Butker states facts. People that hate the truth cry.
They save money cutting skymo but not a dollar cutting Toney. He’s a high upside guy so unless he’s totally checked out I don’t see them cutting him when rice will face suspension and worthy is a rook. Moore is gone but Toney like 90 percent makes the 53 at least till rice gets back
This is great news that means LRZ and Justyn Ross are fr
Please please get rid of Tony
Sigh. I love Toney's "ceiling" but he is very fragile and he really should have been there for OTAs. Guess I have to go for Moore. As to Butker v Williams sisters, he deserved what he got from those ladies if only because he addressed Serena as "Mrs" Williams, placing him squarely in the 1950s at the latest.