On my ME 1 playthrough recently, I noticed that a lot of renegade dialogue options go like this; an NPC tells you they've been hearing about your mission and want to give you a sidequest and Shepard goes "So you've been SPYING on me, you bastard? I don't like people following me!" I guess renegade Shepard is just really paranoid about his/her privacy.
Mass Effect 2 Renegade : Hardcore leader of men, that's not afraid to get his hands dirty to achieve good results. Mass Effect 3 Renegade : Beelzebub in the flesh.
@@eldritchwulfe I did quite a few playthroughs, occasionally losing some of the crew but never tried actively killing as many of them as possible. It must have been a very quiet party during the Citadel DLC...
I find the most horrible renegade option is killing Falare. Because it's a double whammy you let samara commit suicide, then you make her sacrifice mean nothing by killing her daughter.
And stop pretending morality is important to you; survival behaviour is the only correct moral code in existence that holds any truth to it. Your ‘logic’ only weakens us.
@@subhankarbaral9236 TIM didn’t get his hands on collector/reaper tech till after ME2, and he used it for the first time as an experiment (and vengeance) on Greyson, not Shepard, what are you talking about?! Nothing in Shepard’s revival suggests Reaper tech. All body parts were grown organically through cloning (or did you not listen to Citadel DLC?!) with only very view cybernetics involved. Cybernetics don’t make you a synthetic. As per statements from EDI & Miranda, Shepard is an organic.
People forget so easily how quickly the Geth turned towards piracy and murder in the first game. Not to mention all the reasons the genophage was created. I miss the first Mass Effect, which made genocide a serious moral quandary instead of just something that you can do to be edgy and/or because it adds or subtracts from "War Assets" which you can just cheat into existence by paying for multiplayer. I'm glad Bioware's fucking it up made them a has been in the industry.
@@lordoflies7875 its not the geth fault they where under reaper control they didnt have a choice you would have done the same things if you where in their shoes
The reporter was one of them, but there is another. I may have been curious about renegade options, but even then they were exclusively for bettering the galaxy and saving someone. That. Being. Said. When in ME3, early in the game I return from the Geth ship and meet with the Quarian on the Normandy, who gave the order to destroy the Geth ships while I was on it... I punched that motherfraker in the guts without hesitating. That was the only renegade action where I clicked the option by reflex, without thinking. And it felt gooood!
They were tempting, but I went paragon all three times and the result is far more satisfying. By the second game she realizes she was being a bitch and feels terrible about it. By the third game she actually becomes a war asset
Tali killing herself was possibly the saddest thing I have ever experienced. It happened in my first playthrough because I wasn't able to prevent her from getting exiled in ME2. That false paragon call to try and save her.... Its like they stabbed me right in the feels.
TobeWilsonNetwork I know it’s really poignant how renegade Shepherd not only doesn’t cure the genophage and kills Wrex after he finds out, he tops it all off by saying something racist.
Patrick Mercader i did too, in the first game i killed wrex by accident on virmire, so i restarted the level and than went online to see how i could save him
I remember when I was near tears in me2 back when I was younger and was depressed over the fact that I couldn't save everyone in the suicide mission. I probably completed the game atleast 5 times before I finally got the No one left behind achievement.
Legion dying seemed the cruelest to me. He completely trusted Shepard and in his mind the Geth were defending themselves and made a wrong decision. He says that he never wanted wars between Geth and their creators and just wants his people to be alive and fully realized creatures. And when you tell him that you are willing to let his people die at the hands of an aggressive enemy during an unprovoked attack, he begs you to reconsider, saying that they would help retake earth and build the crucible. He tries to save his people and gets stabbed and then shot multiple times staring up at you with the blank expression that is weirdly one of the most human things I've seen in the game. You can see him shaking slightly more after each shot. Both of which can easily be attributed to him being a damaged machine, but I can't help but feel he's scared and hurt by what what you're doing to him. He looked up to you and trusted you. You were the person who vouched for him in ME2, you were the one who freed his people from Reaper control. You were his first friend and he's more than ready to stand with you to take back your planet and save the galaxy and you're shooting him over and over and over. He's never been betrayed and the one person he thought could trust to make the right decision is throwing him and his people away in favour of a race that attacked and tried to destroy him. It's the worst for me because it's like betraying and killing someone who has no reason to have anything but respect and admiration for you, all because you think that they're not worth saving. He doesn't understand why it's happening because to him it doesn't make sense but it's happening anyway. He doesn't understand why his friend would let his people die and he's scared that his friend is about to kill him. All of his self actualization says the opposite would happen and now everything he had learned, bringing him close to being an individual is being flipped and he die sad and confused.
Many people think it’s Tali or Legion, but in reality it’s an irresponsible and violent race against an innocent machine one. Thank god I was never posed with that question, but if I had to choose, I would choose Legion. Tali may love her people, and she does commit suicide, but the Quarian race does not deserve to steal what they lost to their creation. They should never have constantly tried annihilate the Geth, they should have helped them build a new world, but due to the close-sightedness of hotheaded scientists and bloodthirsty killers, war was inevitable. I could never stand with Tali nor romance her for that reason; everything she loved was completely against my moral compass.
Its just feels wrong. Geth didnt ask to be born, they were a pure inocent race that moments after they gained a soul the Quarian tried to destroy them. The first that Geth experimented as a race was war an genocide, an even then they still let the Quarians live and they tried to make peace with them.
When he electrocuted that guy in ME2 from behind was so badass. I wish more of the renegade moments were stuff like that, not killing teamates and other unreasonably evil things that make you depressed.
Same. I like decisions that force you between taking the righteous but reckless way, or the underhanded but sensible method. A compromise of morality, asking if you'd kill someone to save others, or force your ideals in order to achieve them. Blatantly evil for no reason just isn't interesting.
Blue Shell 100% these seemed evil and inexcusable. ME2 renegade was just the Han Solo move, this is more like hitler. It breaks the story because Shepherd is meant to be a leader, everyone in his crew chooses to join him, I doubt Mordin would join an ME3 renegade psycho.
I see some people complain about renegade options in ME3, but in my opinion - it's one of the best things in this game. Every one gets a reality that he deserves. When you go full paragon - there's a ton of compromises to be made, but in the end - entire galaxy come to aid you in your war. Renegade always was easy, enjoyable, fun and most profitable way to play. And in ME3 they made you pay for what you done, shown you the consequences of your actions, and how galaxy became a lot more gruesome and dark place after your journey.
The wrex thing is perfect. They don't even let you weasel your way out of it by lying, bringing up the good old times in ME1. They force you to kill one of your oldest friends. Also the not so subtle racism at the end, "yeah krogan tend to go crazy, nut cases"
From that perspective yeah ME3 did renegade very well but idk, it feels miserable to play that route. Is very hard to play renegade because it feels wrong
If you do Renegade PROPERLY, you're just killing a race of inherently violent lizards, destroying evil robots lying for the sake of self-preservation, and leading humanity to a bright and glorious future. Because you killed or saw die anyone who could redeem those species, and you have more War Asset points to show for it. If you play Renegade PERFECTLY, you Intimidated Tali and Legion into making up, and brought quarian and geth peace. The stupid krogan can burn, though.
@@KopperNeoman If you killed Wrex in ME1, and destroyed Maelon´s data in ME2 (which means Eve dies), you can actually convince Mordin to let the cure fail. Wreav is stupid enough not to figure it out. And even if he did, his own people would rip him to shreds, because he took personal credit for the cure, and would get blamed if it didn´t work. That lets you get both the salarians and the krogan on your side, although the krogan are significantly weaker, so you don´t get that much in the end.
let's kill one of the baddest krogran alive with just some pistol haha I remember when he said that fought a justicar for 3 days lmao, a pistol would have done the job!
I mean the Citadel DLC is reason enough not to betray him. Between the way he took out that shuttle of Merks in the first mission to him being the cool uncle to you and Tali, he’s just such an awesome character.
Mordin spent his whole life trying to fix the damage he did when he was younger. To not be able to fix his mistake is the worst death by far. No other contest.
Yes there is contest. Being exiled from your home planet for generations by your own creations, living on ships in space and when you're so close to reclaiming your home, being wiped out entirely.
@@StarfireRebirthCM not to mention by the help of a guy whom you loved. Damn i can NEVER do that to Tali, thankfully i saved geth(RIP legion) And quarians.
Wasn't a mistake. The genophage was always the right choice. I think It's far more tragic that Mordin dies trying to fix the good he did, because his morals overwhelmed him
Watching Shepard go from being a harsh military man in ME1 to a harsher leader in ME2, gradually morphing into a sick psychopath without humanity in ME3 is pretty scary...
Me on my first playthrough: "The quarians brought this on themselves! I'm going with the geth here!" (2 minutes later) "Please let there be a savegame prior to Rannoch, please, I beg you!" The outcome of that decision was the worst thing that has ever happend to me in a game.
Yeah I was shocked the first time they gave me that decision and I agonized over it for literal hours like it was a real life choice. Then when I was confident in my decision and finally made it, Tali dying screwed me up so hard that I always make it a point to get maximum paragon before having to do that section lol
I still don't understand why people always pick the same choices each time they playthrough. Other than scaling difficulty up I see no point in doing so and even then I'd still rather make different choices for variety of outcomes. I've even done the Rannoch mission a few times with Tali not being there due to either not doing her recruitment mission in ME2 or her dying during the suicide mission (for the variables). You had a perfectly valid reason why your Shepard would make that choice, why not stick with it. Can always make different decision (as you stated you did) on another playthrough.
SirUlrichVL I’ve done pure renegade runs across the entire trilogy just to get all the different cinematics, choices and endings. Paragon was my first and ‘real’ playthrough, but it’s fun to see how the games end up when you pick the worst possible option each time. I remember the Citadel DLC felt very empty after killing half your crew haha.
@@alessanderturibiopaes5257 If you choose the top left option yes, this is choosing the top right option, which is the rather incompetent choice, BY FAR.
Ben Wilson no it’s the paragon choice because it’s on the top right, you know how it goes in mass fact the top right is always paragon middle right is usually some sort of neutral and bottom rights always renegade, top left and top right are always morality level dependent, while the renegade and paragon option could both be considered the paragon ending because it’s the best ending overall, top right is paragon as top left bottom right and bottom left or not,Even if bottom left is the same as top left
WasteLandWarrior no matter how renegade I go I can never kill legion. I did a renegade play through where I killed Samara, mordin, balik, wrex, and Ashley but I couldn’t kill legion that scene is literally so sad
@@mlgfrog2470 It's a robot that by the time it gets the Reaper code can comprehend life and understand it, it literally becomes a living sentient construct that actually has wants in the world.
Damn, this Renegade Shepard's done some of the most horrible things : from betraying and killing Wrex, killing Mordin, letting Samara killing herself and then executing her daughter and even killing Ashley ! Absolutely hearbreaking.
Actually, if Mass Effect had ended like Game of Thrones, the ending would have looked more like this: Commander Shepard has no important role in the story, the Reapers are defeated in the middle of the game by Miranda, then Liara goes completely crazy and starts genociding the Volus for no reason, Commander Shepard kills her and is exiled to Omega, at the end Joker becomes the master of the galaxy.
The first time I played, I didnt realize when Legion uploaded the virus, it meant all the quarians would die. I was heartbroken and then Tali offs herself right in front of me. It was at that moment, I knew I fucked up.
Going full renegade doesn't necessarily mean Tali dying. The worse way to play is neutral as that can truly put you in a pickle. Wrex can get killed in ME, ME2 can see you having no one but an unloyal Zaeed and unloyal Kasumi surviving the suicide mission, ME3 can get VS killed, Zaeed and Kasumi dying on their missions, Vega and Liara killed in final assault and EDI, Joker and the remaining Normandy crew dead due to low EMS rating. That will get you feeling majorly dead inside and needing a super fluffy Paragon playthrough to begin to recover.
I ALWAYS played Paragon. Now I finally see that Renegade simply means kills everyone. I made the right choice. There couldn't be any cool cameos/references down the line if everyone was killed.
Miss out on a lot of cool dialogue. Mass Effect 3 went a little kill happy with Renegade choices, but the previous two games were more calculated ruthlessness and aggression.
@@masterexploder9668 I would say that the paragon is the manipulator and the one who wait while other act. I mean, almost all the time when you use paragon - something just happen and character have to adapt but it's not their choices.
Not necessarily - it's true only for mindless full renegade. I don't like paragon and mostly my choices are renegade, but if choose wisely you can save all the crew. I lost only Tali and only cause I fucked up with her quest in ME2. Shooting all the people around you could point at some psycho problems - that's what I think
Renegade Shep (RSh) kills Ashley me: Meh RSh shoots Mordin, but he still tryes to save krogans and dies right in front of the console. me: NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
I remember doing full renegade runs because, well, the games demanded completion. Then I got to Mass Effect 2, I found renegade great because it was hilarious. Then I got to Mass Effect 3, I almost stopped playing.
Commander Bailey: "What happened?!" Commander Shepard: "I don’t know, he just went crazy…” Commander Bailey: "Are you really talking about him... Or do you really mean yourself?"
@@VindicatorFrag Most of the choices here are more "fail" than renegade. I was always a Paragon player but I just restarted the whole trilogy as renegade. I never had to kill anyone. Killing Wrex and Mordin is more like a part of a general choice to betray them and to no cure the genophage. Instead, I cured it and let Wrex be the leader (Eve died lol). I don't recall having to kill Kaidan, he just trusted me. There is a lot here where instead of choosing the red or blue choice he is choosing a "failed" choice. Look carefully with Balek for example. The renegade choice was to say in a badass way that now he is nothing and the whole batarian survival depends on humanity. Shooting him is a "fail" choice. Basically the game has 3 options when you have a choice to make : fail, pass with a hope speech or pass with a threat/punch in the face
@@baronnuuke7821 exactly my point, I hate to see every single saint "paragon player" talking shit about renegade as smth evil as hell just because they never tried any of renegade choices and all they saw are vids like these. How clever of them
@@VindicatorFrag Full renegade here (usually). You can make Wrex back up in ME1 and threaten Quarians to retreat (both renegade) and make a few paragon choices that won't make much of a difference anyways, but won't cause those scenes. Also in ME2 renegade allows you to sort out Jack/Miranda problem, though there is a way to make Miranda survive even if she's not loyal. So my renegade usually is maxed and everyone lives :)
Evaluation to determine whether you have psychopathic tendencies: -You kill Mordin -You betray Wrex -You kill Legion -You let Tali die If you did any of these knowing and willingly, you need help. XD
Easily. I shot him in ME1. He is nothing but a thug just like the rest of them when they don’t get their way. Curing them dooms the universe after the reapers. Even if u think wrex would stop it, he isnt immortal. Next generation would overpopulate and kill everyone. Wreave is more ruthless and is more needed against the reapers
@TCB well you have to rebuild your civilization to make an effective War Machine. The Nazis rebuilt Germany after World War 1 and what did they do immediately after.
@TCB yes a magical wave from the REAPER COMPUTER that you have been fighting that has technology to alter the minds of every thinking individual, which game calls indoctrination is sent out Across the Universe and magically people have peace and understanding...... how how do you not see right through that horseshit how do you not see that that is brainwashing. They don't have peace and understanding they just don't have free will anymore they are no longer individuals, congratulations, the Reapers won and you gave them eternal victory.
12:30 is even more brutal because it's not as if the choice to save both the Geth and the Quarians wasn't available... It's *THERE* in this particular playthrough.
I'd say it's downright a requirement for a proper character behavior! :D the Shepard who tolerates nonsense like that is the Black sheep of the family.
Now I'm going to have to replay the Mass Effect Trilogy. It so sad that we will never get another Mass Effect game. We probably won't get a remaster. RIP to Mass Effect you were the GOAT
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I think for me Tali's suicide, Mordin's death and Legion's death are the worst. My first playthrough of ME3 resulted in the Quarian fleet being destroyed and Tali was always one of my favourite charcters and honestly her crying as she watches the rest of her people burn is just horrific.
You know what really doesn't make sense to me? The Carnifex is usually like a 1-2 shot kill to most targets in cutscenes, but it takes at least 5-6 headshots in the game
I made nearly all of these choices in my first playthrough of Mass Effect 3. It was the most emotional experience I've ever had playing a video game. Which is why I always fought for the side that says ME 3 was an excellent game. I full on cried multiple times making renegade choices
I feel dead inside watching all of these options. I’ve been wanting to play a renegade character again but I could NEVER choose these options. The Kelly Chambers scene made me tear up, that’s truly horrible pushing someone to suicide.
I also see this one as the saddest. All others were calculated decisions. Some brutal, some ruthless, some just cold.. but that response to Kelly is simply unprovoked and unneccessary. You might be coldblooded "ends justify the means" renegade, but here..there is no other motive here than being evil. Shame on those that didn´t load after they knew what they did... hats down to the devs for thinking of this. I´d hate to be the one to program this bit though..
@@majormarketing6552 Except you know if you didn't kill Wrex in Mass Effect 1 he goes on to lead the korgans and turn them into more than just a constantly warring wanting to shoot everything race so no it isn't betraying the galaxy. As for him pulling a gun on you imagine if someone ruined humanity and we were going down close to extinction and someone is working on a way to save humanity and you're actively fighting against him wouldn't you be conflicted. Besides he pulled a gun he didn't instantly open fire on you.
@@EliteSpectre32 Wrex still pulled a fucking gun on your face. The whole "Wrex and Eve can change the krogan race" is nonsense. You can be a wise leader but you can't just change biology like that. Krogan are made for killing things and survive on any situation because that's how evolution works on Tutchanka. If krogans were civilized, the genophage wouldn't even be a problem for them, but they're not.
I remember that during my first play through of ME2 with my Renegade Femshep, I lost Tali because I chose her to lead the second assault team at the end. I also lost Jack when the swarm attacked her on the Collector ship (Jacob was holding the shield bubble around the squad). And I don't remember how, but I also lost Mordin. Her romance option was Liara through all three games, and I had her soften up a bit in ME3. For example: My Femshep was a lot of things, but she wasn't a genocidal mass murderer. So she helped Wrex save the Krogan species. And when the tabloid reporter (Kaleesh al...something?) broke down during our third interview, I just couldn't punch her again. I chose the Paragon dialogue options for that conversation, and I wish I could have apologised on camera for punching her the first two times. I also couldn't bring myself to shoot Kaiden (Ashley died in ME1 during that play through). Even though Tali was gone I also managed to broker a truce between the Quarians and the Geth. And I chose Paragon options for the conversation with Liara's Mother on the Citadel. Future in-law if everyone survives, so play nice. Lol..
One thing I’ll always appreciate is how in some of them you can see Shepherd is visually annoyed or angry with himself, almost like he didn’t want to make the choice he did but had to for the sake of the universe, and he damns the fact he had to be the one to make that decision.
I'm a paragon purist so I could NEVER make these kind of choices but watching these does make me appreciate my decisions all the more knowing how disastrously wrong the story can go.
I played Paragon on my first playthrough of the trilogy. I played Renegade for the first two game. Never bothered renegade on the 3rd game because I got really lazy. Watching ME3 Renegade is by far the most brutal out of the trilogy. The Geth Upload moment without the ME2 save is definitely by far the most tragic of the paragon choices. This is what I love about ME3. Once the war begins, its just brutality or heartbreaking, that alone made me forget the shit ending that ME3 had.
@@kingbarb842 good luck. You'll need a lot of it. I've tried a few times and I failed every time. Some playthroughs were more successful than others but I always ended up being mostly paragon.
@@kingbarb842 if you find it hard to be mean and calculating then your astrological sign has nothing to do with it. According to astrology, being a libra is all about finding balance in everything.
After my first playthrough, I thought about doing a renegade-only insanity run. Until I found this video and it made me reconsider. It's really painful to watch, the shift from paragon shepard into renegade shepard is just astronomical. Seeing Wrex dying is so heartbreaking here
These only happen if you DON'T do full ranagade, Cus a real Ranagade would kill wrex and Balack and the genophage resurech in ME1, and get Tali to Admiral in Me2, Fixing All this shit.
Suicide mission from mass effect 2 still one of the greatest parts in gaming history. Sometimes I would just roll the dice and pick random party members to do the specific parts just to give that extra edge that not everyone was getting out alive.
I'll be honest, nearly all of this is new to me and I've played all three games like 5 or 6 times all the way through lol i can't not be Captain America when I play these games.
Paragon and Renegade I think were originally supposed to be "professional and by the book", vs. "loose cannon badass". Instead it came off as "Hero" and "Raging Psychopath". I mean it was nice having a choice which to be, the fact that it was so polarizing was a little unrealistic. Say what you will about Andromeda, I found the conversation system a lot more fluid. Ryder has his/her own unique personality, and while you might nudge them in a specific direction now and then, their moral standing remains the same.
Personally I consider that a regression rather than progression in terms of PC development in an RPG. Sure Shepard only had the two settings, but it at least still gave the player a sense of agency as to what direction the character, and thus the story, goes. Like I could play through with Shepard twice and feel like I'd gotten a unique experience each time. Granting that hardware was more limited and video game capabilities have increased exponentially from the first game's release, Ryder should have been a much more dynamic character than just "snarky" IMO.
I don't reckon I'll ever change my opinion that a human being, particularly one with a past full of fighting of one kind or another, will face the job of essentially saving the galaxy as their primary purpose, and anyone or anything seeking to slow their progress to that goal, had damned well better have a bloody good reason to do so. Or they'll be Removed. Only people it makes sense to pull Paragon moves with is your crewmates. The people helping you achieve your purpose.
Ok, I know we all have our different tastes and what other people like shouldn't be what I have to like, but seriously, when did Ryder get a personality? 😂😂 he/she was an awful, extremely generic and pointless character, not to mention there was almost zero variables to choose from during the whole game. You have 3 or 4 different "lines" of dialog to pick but they all conclude the same way. No matter how many times you play Andromeda and try to switch up your Ryder's dialog/personality NOTHING changes, 99.9% of the game remains the same. Definitely not the case of Shepard and the trilogy's possibilities which where immense.
I never thought Shepard could be so cold and evil. I really love the fact that the game gives us all those different choices but I went paragon, I just couldn't die so much inside, plus Mordin and my boy Legion. :c
@@zilalapsa by destroying a mass relay that probably helped isolate them, which put them right in the path of the Reapers who were diverted over their homeworld so they could access the network.
Ashley always gave in so easily for me when it came to that Udina thing but hearing what she says afterwards makes me think she wont be making it off of Virmire ever again
In my "realistic" playthrough ash ended up lowering her pistol. But when she asked to join the Normandy I told her to get stuffed the last thing a captain on a ship would want as someone question his every move because she does not trust him. She becomes 8th infantry unit commander and gives you a military points if you kick her off the Normandy in Mass Effect 3.
Lord, I can’t look at it without tears.. Rex, Legion, Mordin.. How was can be so cruel? :( Need to be able to put yourself in the place of others in order to understand them - IMO
That toss of the pistol at 09:30 really shows that even the renegade Shep hates it what needs to be done (or what he thinks needs to be done) sometimes. Such things really make characters human (or krogan or whatever)
![Renegade Shepard: Funny & Ridiculously Evil Moments [ME1]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Gm7wsgdXubs/mqdefault.jpg)
Shepard: psychotic mass murderer
Kelly: "I tattled on you."
Shepard: "YOU MONSTER"
On my ME 1 playthrough recently, I noticed that a lot of renegade dialogue options go like this; an NPC tells you they've been hearing about your mission and want to give you a sidequest and Shepard goes "So you've been SPYING on me, you bastard? I don't like people following me!" I guess renegade Shepard is just really paranoid about his/her privacy.
@@jackpfefferkorn3734 that makes sense. Usually people who do bad/evil things are always paranoid someone will find out
@@jackpfefferkorn3734 I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite VPN on the Citadel.
@@cyrilin7066 LMAO!!
Should've included how you find out afterwards she commited suicide via cyanide.
I played full paragon and have never seen any of these scenes. I feel dead inside
I always play about 80% renegade and still havent seen most of these.
You have to play all 3 games to get every choice.
I feel attacked ;(
@@Jonderlei If you have enough points to unlock convo options, all of these are avoidable.
Imagine seeing your dad do it all in front of your 12 year old self
Everyone’s talking about Legion and Wrex, but Mordin’s is the most sad by far.
They are all sad :'c
I can't watch I tried but I can't
Ya , no way could i do that.
What gets me is 1.shep uses the same gun mordin gave him 2. He still trys to complete his personal mission even though he's been heavily injured
Agreed though personally I chose save wrex in no 1 and let mordin make the noble sacrifice .
Mass Effect 2 Renegade : Hardcore leader of men, that's not afraid to get his hands dirty to achieve good results.
Mass Effect 3 Renegade : Beelzebub in the flesh.
seriously..ME2 Renegade Shep was badass..in ME3 he is basically hitler
Lol what? ME 2 renegade was just a sociopatb
@@Taurox220 ...pretty sure ME3 renegade is more of a sociopath, but fine
ME1 Renegade - Impatiently racist bitch that only cares about humanity and her job.
@@journey95far49 All hail Führer Shepard.
Me:Evrybody died in Mass effect 3, it was brutal..
Friend:Because of the ending?
Me:Nah, I f*ckin' killed them all...
I did that too, a trilogy where as few as possible people survived, broke my heart
so the only people that cant die in the trilogy (excluding the everyone die ending) is James and Liara
@@eldritchwulfe I did quite a few playthroughs, occasionally losing some of the crew but never tried actively killing as many of them as possible. It must have been a very quiet party during the Citadel DLC...
All and nothing Stop, that last sentence made me sad :(
lol
"Isn't killing my family enough?"
*No*
What a stone cold killer.
I find the most horrible renegade option is killing Falare. Because it's a double whammy you let samara commit suicide, then you make her sacrifice mean nothing by killing her daughter.
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This is basically a compilation of every logical reason to let the Reapers destroy the galaxy.
Yeah, these choices show that Shepard is indoctrinated
@@subhankarbaral9236 Well that, or Shepard's doing more damage than he's trying to stop. Or just intentionally doing more damage than the Reapers.
Not all
Subhankar Baral how many times do we all have to say it...BioWare has confirmed that Shepard cannot be indoctrinated because he is strong willed.
And stop pretending morality is important to you; survival behaviour is the only correct moral code in existence that holds any truth to it. Your ‘logic’ only weakens us.
Harbinger: Oh look our boy Shepard, doing half of the job for us
Sooner did we know.. Shepard himself.. was a collector..
@@ohheck7497 Quite possible. After all, Reaper and Collector Tech was indeed used to revive him.
@@subhankarbaral9236 TIM didn’t get his hands on collector/reaper tech till after ME2, and he used it for the first time as an experiment (and vengeance) on Greyson, not Shepard, what are you talking about?! Nothing in Shepard’s revival suggests Reaper tech. All body parts were grown organically through cloning (or did you not listen to Citadel DLC?!) with only very view cybernetics involved. Cybernetics don’t make you a synthetic. As per statements from EDI & Miranda, Shepard is an organic.
Damn, I morally could not do these things
haha me too, thankfully we have TH-cam :)
The only thing I couldn't morally do is let the Geth live.
People forget so easily how quickly the Geth turned towards piracy and murder in the first game. Not to mention all the reasons the genophage was created. I miss the first Mass Effect, which made genocide a serious moral quandary instead of just something that you can do to be edgy and/or because it adds or subtracts from "War Assets" which you can just cheat into existence by paying for multiplayer. I'm glad Bioware's fucking it up made them a has been in the industry.
@@lordoflies7875 you can save the geth and the quarians both if you choose your dialogues carefully.
@@lordoflies7875 its not the geth fault they where under reaper control they didnt have a choice you would have done the same things if you where in their shoes
Killing Mordin with the gun he himself gives you on Omega... you monster.
Feels bro
Not to mention you immediately throw it away in the cutscene.
@@guypalperson928 Probably because he feels disgusted by his action.
@@guypalperson928 Dont worry, you materialize it again during Priority: Earth and have it ready for the Illusive man
“You can’t just shoot me...”
Famous last words
"Stop me if you must."
Even more famous last words.
Wasnt his last words.
“Shoot me, trust me I won’t die” -ZeroTimeDilema
i never in 100 years could betray wrex :,(
Or Mordin
And Tali, i love her too much to betray her
Maybe in 200 lmfao
He was dead by Mass Effect 1 in my playthrough you don't point a gun at me and live.
I can't do most of those things, betray those characters it's criminal.
I usually like playing as Paragon but I make it a point to punch the reporter in all 3 games LOL
Same.
The reporter was one of them, but there is another.
I may have been curious about renegade options, but even then they were exclusively for bettering the galaxy and saving someone.
That. Being. Said.
When in ME3, early in the game I return from the Geth ship and meet with the Quarian on the Normandy, who gave the order to destroy the Geth ships while I was on it... I punched that motherfraker in the guts without hesitating. That was the only renegade action where I clicked the option by reflex, without thinking. And it felt gooood!
What is the point of being the savior of the entire universe, if you can't beat shit out if reporters?! 😁🙌😆
They were tempting, but I went paragon all three times and the result is far more satisfying. By the second game she realizes she was being a bitch and feels terrible about it. By the third game she actually becomes a war asset
Thats how the world feels about CNN and leftist main medias
Tali killing herself was possibly the saddest thing I have ever experienced. It happened in my first playthrough because I wasn't able to prevent her from getting exiled in ME2. That false paragon call to try and save her.... Its like they stabbed me right in the feels.
Tali's always been my favourite and she died my first ME3 playthrough and I was so emotional
Happened in my 1st playtrough too, I cried in the night.
Fortunately this happened only in my second or third playthrough. Still was very disturbing and making me feel miserable.
It was easy for me. I immediately restarted & replayed whole campaign to get Tali back. No going forward without Tali.
no
I cannot.... the renegade option on killing your own teammates... YOUR OWN FAMILY... IS NOT GOOD I CANNOT
dude. most of these are not renegade choices.
Dildo Faggins they are tho
No... Not I can not. I *will* not.
Same, i don't care about being violent with other people, but i'm always the nicest guy with my teamates
Only person I shot was Ashley fuck that bitch I kept the rest alive that was the only renegade I did during ME2 and ME3 I do not regret it
“I don’t know, he just went crazy…” god these scenes are heartbreaking, just watching these is filling me with shame.
TobeWilsonNetwork I know it’s really poignant how renegade Shepherd not only doesn’t cure the genophage and kills Wrex after he finds out, he tops it all off by saying something racist.
jodiebug1 I mean if you’ve played a full on renegade shep you’d know they’re the biggest space racist in the galaxy
Kinda makes me h8 sheperd
@@jodiebug1 if you are playing full renegade then wrex died in mass effect 1 allready.
Intimidate options are Renegade and save Wrex
Saving him isn't Paragon or Renegade at all
Who in their freaking right mind could shoot Dr Mordin Solus?
Correction "the grate Morin solus"
I did, at least like 5 times! Right on the first playthrough. :-D
Gotta get the salarian fleet one way or another
Me
@@spoodermankillz4234 you get it anyway atleast i did
I restarted entire campaigns to avoid some of these choices.
Patrick Mercader i did too, in the first game i killed wrex by accident on virmire, so i restarted the level and than went online to see how i could save him
Save a guy pulling a gun on his commanding officer. Wow so unrealistic
Same. I killed Wrex and restarted the entire game.
save editor
I remember when I was near tears in me2 back when I was younger and was depressed over the fact that I couldn't save everyone in the suicide mission. I probably completed the game atleast 5 times before I finally got the No one left behind achievement.
This unit has no soul because this video just destroyed it.
Legion dying seemed the cruelest to me. He completely trusted Shepard and in his mind the Geth were defending themselves and made a wrong decision. He says that he never wanted wars between Geth and their creators and just wants his people to be alive and fully realized creatures.
And when you tell him that you are willing to let his people die at the hands of an aggressive enemy during an unprovoked attack, he begs you to reconsider, saying that they would help retake earth and build the crucible.
He tries to save his people and gets stabbed and then shot multiple times staring up at you with the blank expression that is weirdly one of the most human things I've seen in the game. You can see him shaking slightly more after each shot. Both of which can easily be attributed to him being a damaged machine, but I can't help but feel he's scared and hurt by what what you're doing to him. He looked up to you and trusted you.
You were the person who vouched for him in ME2, you were the one who freed his people from Reaper control. You were his first friend and he's more than ready to stand with you to take back your planet and save the galaxy and you're shooting him over and over and over. He's never been betrayed and the one person he thought could trust to make the right decision is throwing him and his people away in favour of a race that attacked and tried to destroy him.
It's the worst for me because it's like betraying and killing someone who has no reason to have anything but respect and admiration for you, all because you think that they're not worth saving. He doesn't understand why it's happening because to him it doesn't make sense but it's happening anyway. He doesn't understand why his friend would let his people die and he's scared that his friend is about to kill him. All of his self actualization says the opposite would happen and now everything he had learned, bringing him close to being an individual is being flipped and he die sad and confused.
agreed. killing legion would be like shooting your dog. It's Just wrong.
Many people think it’s Tali or Legion, but in reality it’s an irresponsible and violent race against an innocent machine one. Thank god I was never posed with that question, but if I had to choose, I would choose Legion. Tali may love her people, and she does commit suicide, but the Quarian race does not deserve to steal what they lost to their creation. They should never have constantly tried annihilate the Geth, they should have helped them build a new world, but due to the close-sightedness of hotheaded scientists and bloodthirsty killers, war was inevitable. I could never stand with Tali nor romance her for that reason; everything she loved was completely against my moral compass.
The worst part is when he sais Tali zorah...dose...this.....unit
And diying
Its just feels wrong. Geth didnt ask to be born, they were a pure inocent race that moments after they gained a soul the Quarian tried to destroy them. The first that Geth experimented as a race was war an genocide, an even then they still let the Quarians live and they tried to make peace with them.
@@gabrielemblem605 im me3 in the geth consensus it plays a memory of a quarian deffending its geth
In ME2 the renegade options where badass - nearly a must take always
In ME3 they were...wrong and i did never take them
Except when it came to Kai Leng.
When he electrocuted that guy in ME2 from behind was so badass. I wish more of the renegade moments were stuff like that, not killing teamates and other unreasonably evil things that make you depressed.
Eccentric Eric And Udina
Same. I like decisions that force you between taking the righteous but reckless way, or the underhanded but sensible method. A compromise of morality, asking if you'd kill someone to save others, or force your ideals in order to achieve them.
Blatantly evil for no reason just isn't interesting.
Blue Shell 100% these seemed evil and inexcusable. ME2 renegade was just the Han Solo move, this is more like hitler. It breaks the story because Shepherd is meant to be a leader, everyone in his crew chooses to join him, I doubt Mordin would join an ME3 renegade psycho.
"I'm your prisoner, what are you going to do, execute me in cold blood?" - man who was executed in cold blood
I see some people complain about renegade options in ME3, but in my opinion - it's one of the best things in this game. Every one gets a reality that he deserves. When you go full paragon - there's a ton of compromises to be made, but in the end - entire galaxy come to aid you in your war. Renegade always was easy, enjoyable, fun and most profitable way to play. And in ME3 they made you pay for what you done, shown you the consequences of your actions, and how galaxy became a lot more gruesome and dark place after your journey.
The wrex thing is perfect. They don't even let you weasel your way out of it by lying, bringing up the good old times in ME1. They force you to kill one of your oldest friends. Also the not so subtle racism at the end, "yeah krogan tend to go crazy, nut cases"
From that perspective yeah ME3 did renegade very well but idk, it feels miserable to play that route. Is very hard to play renegade because it feels wrong
If you do Renegade PROPERLY, you're just killing a race of inherently violent lizards, destroying evil robots lying for the sake of self-preservation, and leading humanity to a bright and glorious future.
Because you killed or saw die anyone who could redeem those species, and you have more War Asset points to show for it.
If you play Renegade PERFECTLY, you Intimidated Tali and Legion into making up, and brought quarian and geth peace. The stupid krogan can burn, though.
@@KopperNeoman If you killed Wrex in ME1, and destroyed Maelon´s data in ME2 (which means Eve dies), you can actually convince Mordin to let the cure fail. Wreav is stupid enough not to figure it out. And even if he did, his own people would rip him to shreds, because he took personal credit for the cure, and would get blamed if it didn´t work. That lets you get both the salarians and the krogan on your side, although the krogan are significantly weaker, so you don´t get that much in the end.
@@DoctorWu23 its a fictional universe for Gods sake. "Racism" doest apply
I want whatever rounds he has in these cutscenes, they rip straight through armor and shields
let's kill one of the baddest krogran alive with just some pistol haha
I remember when he said that fought a justicar for 3 days lmao, a pistol would have done the job!
@@nazaG_89 its not just "some" pistol its the my carnifix a pistol designed to stop charging krogan
Then All of the sudden everyone is a bullet sponge outside of cutscenes.. this doesn’t make sense Shepard!
The me3 dlc pistol
I will never ever betray Urdnot Wrex.
or Mordin Solis. Nope not going to do it.
I mean the Citadel DLC is reason enough not to betray him. Between the way he took out that shuttle of Merks in the first mission to him being the cool uncle to you and Tali, he’s just such an awesome character.
can't betray if you killed him in vermire *taps head
(probably another krogan shows up but who cares xd)
@@nazaG_89 Wrexs brother shows up and hes a jackass
Whose gonna inspect your poo now
Mordin spent his whole life trying to fix the damage he did when he was younger. To not be able to fix his mistake is the worst death by far. No other contest.
I mean he's a salarian. They don't live long
Yes there is contest. Being exiled from your home planet for generations by your own creations, living on ships in space and when you're so close to reclaiming your home, being wiped out entirely.
@@StarfireRebirthCM not to mention by the help of a guy whom you loved. Damn i can NEVER do that to Tali, thankfully i saved geth(RIP legion) And quarians.
Wasn't a mistake. The genophage was always the right choice.
I think It's far more tragic that Mordin dies trying to fix the good he did, because his morals overwhelmed him
Force of Nature you have to be a troll, no one can genuinely think that the genophage wasn’t a moral travesty
Watching Shepard go from being a harsh military man in ME1 to a harsher leader in ME2, gradually morphing into a sick psychopath without humanity in ME3 is pretty scary...
Damn Mordin went full hero mode right to the very end, respect to him whether you let him go there or shoot him
mordin=legend
Me on my first playthrough:
"The quarians brought this on themselves! I'm going with the geth here!"
(2 minutes later)
"Please let there be a savegame prior to Rannoch, please, I beg you!"
The outcome of that decision was the worst thing that has ever happend to me in a game.
you can save them both. I did it after 5 runs .-. I was never paragon enough
@@nadg866 I know and I've been doing so ever since this happened to me :D
Yeah I was shocked the first time they gave me that decision and I agonized over it for literal hours like it was a real life choice. Then when I was confident in my decision and finally made it, Tali dying screwed me up so hard that I always make it a point to get maximum paragon before having to do that section lol
I still don't understand why people always pick the same choices each time they playthrough. Other than scaling difficulty up I see no point in doing so and even then I'd still rather make different choices for variety of outcomes. I've even done the Rannoch mission a few times with Tali not being there due to either not doing her recruitment mission in ME2 or her dying during the suicide mission (for the variables).
You had a perfectly valid reason why your Shepard would make that choice, why not stick with it. Can always make different decision (as you stated you did) on another playthrough.
SirUlrichVL I’ve done pure renegade runs across the entire trilogy just to get all the different cinematics, choices and endings. Paragon was my first and ‘real’ playthrough, but it’s fun to see how the games end up when you pick the worst possible option each time. I remember the Citadel DLC felt very empty after killing half your crew haha.
Killing all the Quarians is the cruelest Paragon choice in all of Mass Effect.
Paragon? I always go full paragon and they always survive and allied with the geth. Sorry for any grammatical error.
@@alessanderturibiopaes5257 If you choose the top left option yes, this is choosing the top right option, which is the rather incompetent choice, BY FAR.
It's because of bad story writing
Except its not even a Paragon choice, the real Paragon choice is both of them surviving
Ben Wilson no it’s the paragon choice because it’s on the top right, you know how it goes in mass fact the top right is always paragon middle right is usually some sort of neutral and bottom rights always renegade, top left and top right are always morality level dependent, while the renegade and paragon option could both be considered the paragon ending because it’s the best ending overall, top right is paragon as top left bottom right and bottom left or not,Even if bottom left is the same as top left
Killing Legion hurts my soul
This unit have NO soul. Kila sellai
WasteLandWarrior no matter how renegade I go I can never kill legion. I did a renegade play through where I killed Samara, mordin, balik, wrex, and Ashley but I couldn’t kill legion that scene is literally so sad
@@erikam4351 It's a fucking robot lmao
@@mlgfrog2470 It's a robot that by the time it gets the Reaper code can comprehend life and understand it, it literally becomes a living sentient construct that actually has wants in the world.
@@CimmerianAssassin It's still a robot and doesn't have a soul. It has priorities in the programming code, but not needs and wants.
Ok, I legitimately cried watching the Legion death scene. And I’m not ashamed 😭😭😭
This unit have NO soul. Kila sellai
that was the most pain i have ever felt playing mass effect
unit has* grammar up.
Do you cry when you go past the recycling center?
when i played there was a completely different part where Legion died.
Wrex goes to revenge his dying species by killing the person who destroyed any hope of survival of his species.
Shepard: idk he went crazy.
If you kill him in ME1, you can say "idk he went crazy", he really did that time, and in a public way, So this is a call back to ME1
Killing Ashley: Meh
Letting Kelly kill herself: Oh God
Killing Wrex: No!
Killing Mordin: Stop! No! Mordin!!
Killing Legion: Nooo Baby Boi!!!
Killing Quarians: Nooo....Huh
Tears oh god why
The worst part of killing Mordin/his death is of you unlock his song from ME2 he sings it on the verge of tears
And we haven't even got to the endings yet!
The Quarian leadership is the worst.
Christopher Davidson pretty sure he only sings that in the good version where he sacrifices himself so the cure can work
Damn, this Renegade Shepard's done some of the most horrible things : from betraying and killing Wrex, killing Mordin, letting Samara killing herself and then executing her daughter and even killing Ashley !
Absolutely hearbreaking.
@Adam It´s true
I'm not a bad person but I'd kill Ash myself as well...IF SHE LIVED THROUGH VIRMIRE FIRST LOL
It was also sad when Thane died.
Ashley's a bitch anyway.
She was a space racist.
This is the game of thrones season 8 version of ME3.
That is exactly what it’s like
Actually, if Mass Effect had ended like Game of Thrones, the ending would have looked more like this: Commander Shepard has no important role in the story, the Reapers are defeated in the middle of the game by Miranda, then Liara goes completely crazy and starts genociding the Volus for no reason, Commander Shepard kills her and is exiled to Omega, at the end Joker becomes the master of the galaxy.
The first time I played, I didnt realize when Legion uploaded the virus, it meant all the quarians would die. I was heartbroken and then Tali offs herself right in front of me. It was at that moment, I knew I fucked up.
Man i never recovered from that scene
I once went full renegade... Damn I was dead inside the moment Tali sacrifice herself. My mind went into full breakdown state.
I think that's the first time I saw tali's death
Going full renegade doesn't necessarily mean Tali dying. The worse way to play is neutral as that can truly put you in a pickle. Wrex can get killed in ME, ME2 can see you having no one but an unloyal Zaeed and unloyal Kasumi surviving the suicide mission, ME3 can get VS killed, Zaeed and Kasumi dying on their missions, Vega and Liara killed in final assault and EDI, Joker and the remaining Normandy crew dead due to low EMS rating. That will get you feeling majorly dead inside and needing a super fluffy Paragon playthrough to begin to recover.
@@SirUlrichVL i don't really care about the others
Why? Full renegade can simply threaten Quarians and make them retreat
You can save both Legion and Tali even in full renegade playthrough. Getting the bad outcomes usually mean you half assed everything
I ALWAYS played Paragon. Now I finally see that Renegade simply means kills everyone. I made the right choice. There couldn't be any cool cameos/references down the line if everyone was killed.
Miss out on a lot of cool dialogue. Mass Effect 3 went a little kill happy with Renegade choices, but the previous two games were more calculated ruthlessness and aggression.
Renegade means the mission is above your feelings.
ME1 was a callous soldier, ME2 was a badass who focused on efficiency, ME3 was a psychopath and lots of these choices simply defied common sense.
@@masterexploder9668 I would say that the paragon is the manipulator and the one who wait while other act. I mean, almost all the time when you use paragon - something just happen and character have to adapt but it's not their choices.
Not necessarily - it's true only for mindless full renegade. I don't like paragon and mostly my choices are renegade, but if choose wisely you can save all the crew. I lost only Tali and only cause I fucked up with her quest in ME2.
Shooting all the people around you could point at some psycho problems - that's what I think
Renegade in ME 1 and 2: Badass hardcore soldier
Renegade in ME3: Goddamn stone cold killer
Tali just crying. No words, just her broken breathing makes my heart break.
“You can’t just shoot me”
*BANG*
Renegade Shep (RSh) kills Ashley
me: Meh
RSh shoots Mordin, but he still tryes to save krogans and dies right in front of the console.
me: NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Harbinger: "and he calls me and my buddies the bad guy's!..."
I remember doing full renegade runs because, well, the games demanded completion.
Then I got to Mass Effect 2, I found renegade great because it was hilarious.
Then I got to Mass Effect 3, I almost stopped playing.
Commander Bailey: "What happened?!"
Commander Shepard: "I don’t know, he just went crazy…”
Commander Bailey: "Are you really talking about him... Or do you really mean yourself?"
I never saw legion die. I wish I never did.
He died, Tali died, or both. I chose to make sure that it was only one friend, and that their sacrifice mattered.
when i played that decision and fight with Legion never even happened.
"im your prisoner, you cant just shoot me."
Quote from man shot.
How could you shoot mordin, kill Wrex, and betray tali. I just cant come to these decisions it would tear me apart.
Im a paragon player, if i chose renegade i would be extremely depressed
@@VindicatorFrag Most of the choices here are more "fail" than renegade. I was always a Paragon player but I just restarted the whole trilogy as renegade. I never had to kill anyone. Killing Wrex and Mordin is more like a part of a general choice to betray them and to no cure the genophage. Instead, I cured it and let Wrex be the leader (Eve died lol). I don't recall having to kill Kaidan, he just trusted me. There is a lot here where instead of choosing the red or blue choice he is choosing a "failed" choice. Look carefully with Balek for example. The renegade choice was to say in a badass way that now he is nothing and the whole batarian survival depends on humanity. Shooting him is a "fail" choice. Basically the game has 3 options when you have a choice to make : fail, pass with a hope speech or pass with a threat/punch in the face
@@baronnuuke7821 exactly my point, I hate to see every single saint "paragon player" talking shit about renegade as smth evil as hell just because they never tried any of renegade choices and all they saw are vids like these. How clever of them
@@VindicatorFrag Full renegade here (usually). You can make Wrex back up in ME1 and threaten Quarians to retreat (both renegade) and make a few paragon choices that won't make much of a difference anyways, but won't cause those scenes. Also in ME2 renegade allows you to sort out Jack/Miranda problem, though there is a way to make Miranda survive even if she's not loyal. So my renegade usually is maxed and everyone lives :)
Poor Mordin, omg, I can't look at it
Jesus I know
killing mordin is the most evil thing i've ever watch on youtube video, i just can't
If wrex is dead from virmire me1, going renegade keeps mordin alive if you choose to.
I feel like Mordin's death hit me the hardest... the way Shepherd throws away his pistol in disgust afterwards says a lot for his renegade story arc
If you look closly, It's the Gun Given to Him By Moridn in ME1 when you first meet him
My brain won't let me do this on a technical level of things. No matter how ice cold you are, you just don't give up your homies. You just don't!
I never thought Shepeard would shoot mordin,
I wish I never did..!!
First time though I did because I didn't think that shepherd was going to kill him
probably the most evil thing he does
18:33 My reaction to the whole video
good one ahah
Evaluation to determine whether you have psychopathic tendencies:
-You kill Mordin
-You betray Wrex
-You kill Legion
-You let Tali die
If you did any of these knowing and willingly, you need help. XD
I never didn't knew tali would die if i don't make her an admiral in me2.
4:12 made me cry...who would shoot wrex man... Fake renegade choice... God Damn it 🙄
Easily. I shot him in ME1. He is nothing but a thug just like the rest of them when they don’t get their way. Curing them dooms the universe after the reapers. Even if u think wrex would stop it, he isnt immortal. Next generation would overpopulate and kill everyone. Wreave is more ruthless and is more needed against the reapers
I thought killing Mordin was more sad
@TCB well you have to rebuild your civilization to make an effective War Machine. The Nazis rebuilt Germany after World War 1 and what did they do immediately after.
@TCB yes a magical wave from the REAPER COMPUTER that you have been fighting that has technology to alter the minds of every thinking individual, which game calls indoctrination is sent out Across the Universe and magically people have peace and understanding...... how how do you not see right through that horseshit how do you not see that that is brainwashing. They don't have peace and understanding they just don't have free will anymore they are no longer individuals, congratulations, the Reapers won and you gave them eternal victory.
@TCB yes
4:30 broke my heart
developers did Commander Bailey’s empathetic response on purpose
12:30 is even more brutal because it's not as if the choice to save both the Geth and the Quarians wasn't available... It's *THERE* in this particular playthrough.
This is the dark side of the game I avoided, very brutal indeed.
Come now, punching the reporter is surely undeserving the title of "shocking" xD
I'd say it's downright a requirement for a proper character behavior! :D the Shepard who tolerates nonsense like that is the Black sheep of the family.
Especially if you've been punching reporters through the first two games.
I couldn’t betray Wrex, I couldn’t hurt Mordin, I couldn’t let the Quarians out the Geth die. I was tempted to punch the reporter.
The renegade choices in Mass Effect 1 and 2 were either harsh but defensible or badass. The renegade choices in Mass Effect 3 were just fucking evil.
Now I'm going to have to replay the Mass Effect Trilogy. It so sad that we will never get another Mass Effect game. We probably won't get a remaster. RIP to Mass Effect you were the GOAT
Danny Foglesong News out, new ME coming
@@OGfisk No there isn't.
Danny Foglesong www.google.se/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/tech/gaming/741113/Mass-Effect-5-Andromeda-sequel-given-new-hope-as-Bioware-reveals-big-Xbox-One-X-news/amp
Just one of many articles. Some from 2019
Yes there is. There's even talk about bringing Shepard back.
this link is not working anymore, mass effect is really returning?
I think for me Tali's suicide, Mordin's death and Legion's death are the worst.
My first playthrough of ME3 resulted in the Quarian fleet being destroyed and Tali was always one of my favourite charcters and honestly her crying as she watches the rest of her people burn is just horrific.
Shepard is completely insane as a renegade in ME3 I could never go that route. He causes just as much damage as the Reapers!
You know what really doesn't make sense to me? The Carnifex is usually like a 1-2 shot kill to most targets in cutscenes, but it takes at least 5-6 headshots in the game
Ikr? just once I'd like to see weapons be as effective in-game as they are in the commercial material. :P
I genuinely do not know how anybody could ever kill Mordin
Because they're a commander willing to do whatever it takes to save humanity.
I made nearly all of these choices in my first playthrough of Mass Effect 3. It was the most emotional experience I've ever had playing a video game.
Which is why I always fought for the side that says ME 3 was an excellent game. I full on cried multiple times making renegade choices
I feel dead inside watching all of these options. I’ve been wanting to play a renegade character again but I could NEVER choose these options. The Kelly Chambers scene made me tear up, that’s truly horrible pushing someone to suicide.
I also see this one as the saddest. All others were calculated decisions. Some brutal, some ruthless, some just cold.. but that response to Kelly is simply unprovoked and unneccessary. You might be coldblooded "ends justify the means" renegade, but here..there is no other motive here than being evil. Shame on those that didn´t load after they knew what they did... hats down to the devs for thinking of this. I´d hate to be the one to program this bit though..
betrayig Wrex..no man..no...thats crossing one of the few lines i know.
Agreed 💯 wrex is the best bro
He pulled a gun on you. He should be dead in ME1. Curing them is betraying the galaxy so stop bitching
@@majormarketing6552 Except you know if you didn't kill Wrex in Mass Effect 1 he goes on to lead the korgans and turn them into more than just a constantly warring wanting to shoot everything race so no it isn't betraying the galaxy. As for him pulling a gun on you imagine if someone ruined humanity and we were going down close to extinction and someone is working on a way to save humanity and you're actively fighting against him wouldn't you be conflicted. Besides he pulled a gun he didn't instantly open fire on you.
@@EliteSpectre32 Wrex still pulled a fucking gun on your face. The whole "Wrex and Eve can change the krogan race" is nonsense. You can be a wise leader but you can't just change biology like that. Krogan are made for killing things and survive on any situation because that's how evolution works on Tutchanka. If krogans were civilized, the genophage wouldn't even be a problem for them, but they're not.
@@alexandrebertrand1069 Go learn the lore kid before you embarass yourself....
I refuse to believe in a world where any version of Shepard would willingly kill his own friends. I can't do this kind of playthrough! LOL
I remember that during my first play through of ME2 with my Renegade Femshep, I lost Tali because I chose her to lead the second assault team at the end. I also lost Jack when the swarm attacked her on the Collector ship (Jacob was holding the shield bubble around the squad). And I don't remember how, but I also lost Mordin.
Her romance option was Liara through all three games, and I had her soften up a bit in ME3. For example: My Femshep was a lot of things, but she wasn't a genocidal mass murderer. So she helped Wrex save the Krogan species. And when the tabloid reporter (Kaleesh al...something?) broke down during our third interview, I just couldn't punch her again. I chose the Paragon dialogue options for that conversation, and I wish I could have apologised on camera for punching her the first two times.
I also couldn't bring myself to shoot Kaiden (Ashley died in ME1 during that play through). Even though Tali was gone I also managed to broker a truce between the Quarians and the Geth. And I chose Paragon options for the conversation with Liara's Mother on the Citadel. Future in-law if everyone survives, so play nice. Lol..
The suicide of Tali broken my heart..
Oh, I remember, that I cried, when thought, that Grunt just dead... It was too tragic moment
One thing I’ll always appreciate is how in some of them you can see Shepherd is visually annoyed or angry with himself, almost like he didn’t want to make the choice he did but had to for the sake of the universe, and he damns the fact he had to be the one to make that decision.
I'm a paragon purist so I could NEVER make these kind of choices but watching these does make me appreciate my decisions all the more knowing how disastrously wrong the story can go.
Shooting MORDIN has to be one of the most despicable things one can do in any video game ever. Pure evil.
I played Paragon on my first playthrough of the trilogy. I played Renegade for the first two game. Never bothered renegade on the 3rd game because I got really lazy.
Watching ME3 Renegade is by far the most brutal out of the trilogy. The Geth Upload moment without the ME2 save is definitely by far the most tragic of the paragon choices.
This is what I love about ME3. Once the war begins, its just brutality or heartbreaking, that alone made me forget the shit ending that ME3 had.
At least in ME2, the renegade options gave you a chance to be a badass sometimes. In ME3, though, you become an absolute monster
I'm glad I've always played paragon and always tried to save everyone. These make me sad, especially mordin's death.
Yea I’m gonna try to play renegade because I’ve been playing as paragon for 6 years now wish me luck 😂😂
@@kingbarb842 good luck. You'll need a lot of it. I've tried a few times and I failed every time. Some playthroughs were more successful than others but I always ended up being mostly paragon.
@@CaptainRudy4021 me too I’ma Libra so it’s hard for me to be mean and calculating so hopefully I can now
@@kingbarb842 if you find it hard to be mean and calculating then your astrological sign has nothing to do with it. According to astrology, being a libra is all about finding balance in everything.
@@CaptainRudy4021 I see 😂😂 it’s always too on my heart ❤️ to be renegade
Mordin's sacrifice cut so deep. Seeing the Renegade version of that nearly killed me....
After my first playthrough, I thought about doing a renegade-only insanity run. Until I found this video and it made me reconsider. It's really painful to watch, the shift from paragon shepard into renegade shepard is just astronomical. Seeing Wrex dying is so heartbreaking here
These only happen if you DON'T do full ranagade, Cus a real Ranagade would kill wrex and Balack and the genophage resurech in ME1, and get Tali to Admiral in Me2, Fixing All this shit.
Dude the Ashley onw I would do it I a heartbeat if I didn't make the decision of letting her die in mass effect 1
Why would you kill Ashley in the first one? That choice is easy
Suicide mission from mass effect 2 still one of the greatest parts in gaming history. Sometimes I would just roll the dice and pick random party members to do the specific parts just to give that extra edge that not everyone was getting out alive.
Imagine choosing a Paragon choice that leads to the extinction an entire species lmao
I'll be honest, nearly all of this is new to me and I've played all three games like 5 or 6 times all the way through lol i can't not be Captain America when I play these games.
ME2 Renegade: tee-hee, naughty Shepard
ME3 Renegade: WAR CRIMESSSSSSS
Paragon and Renegade I think were originally supposed to be "professional and by the book", vs. "loose cannon badass". Instead it came off as "Hero" and "Raging Psychopath". I mean it was nice having a choice which to be, the fact that it was so polarizing was a little unrealistic. Say what you will about Andromeda, I found the conversation system a lot more fluid. Ryder has his/her own unique personality, and while you might nudge them in a specific direction now and then, their moral standing remains the same.
Personally I consider that a regression rather than progression in terms of PC development in an RPG. Sure Shepard only had the two settings, but it at least still gave the player a sense of agency as to what direction the character, and thus the story, goes. Like I could play through with Shepard twice and feel like I'd gotten a unique experience each time. Granting that hardware was more limited and video game capabilities have increased exponentially from the first game's release, Ryder should have been a much more dynamic character than just "snarky" IMO.
I don't reckon I'll ever change my opinion that a human being, particularly one with a past full of fighting of one kind or another, will face the job of essentially saving the galaxy as their primary purpose, and anyone or anything seeking to slow their progress to that goal, had damned well better have a bloody good reason to do so. Or they'll be Removed. Only people it makes sense to pull Paragon moves with is your crewmates. The people helping you achieve your purpose.
Ok, I know we all have our different tastes and what other people like shouldn't be what I have to like, but seriously, when did Ryder get a personality? 😂😂 he/she was an awful, extremely generic and pointless character, not to mention there was almost zero variables to choose from during the whole game. You have 3 or 4 different "lines" of dialog to pick but they all conclude the same way. No matter how many times you play Andromeda and try to switch up your Ryder's dialog/personality NOTHING changes, 99.9% of the game remains the same. Definitely not the case of Shepard and the trilogy's possibilities which where immense.
They lost the main writer from ME1+2, thats why 3 is such a shallow shitshow.
The fact that they make you shoot legion three separate times is a brutal way to twist the knife over you betraying a comerade.
I never thought Shepard could be so cold and evil. I really love the fact that the game gives us all those different choices but I went paragon, I just couldn't die so much inside, plus Mordin and my boy Legion. :c
How did you paragon way work for Tali/Legion/Mordin?? My Mostly ranaged had all 3 alive at the end.
Full Renegade makes Shepard more callous than the Reapers.
The most badass moment about ME series is that you as a single man can literally annihilate three races (krogan, quarian and geth) with your choices.
Batarians too
@@ericsteiner4094 Batarians? You mean arrival? But in the arrival you destroy only one system iirc
@@zilalapsa by destroying a mass relay that probably helped isolate them, which put them right in the path of the Reapers who were diverted over their homeworld so they could access the network.
Ashley always gave in so easily for me when it came to that Udina thing but hearing what she says afterwards makes me think she wont be making it off of Virmire ever again
In my "realistic" playthrough ash ended up lowering her pistol. But when she asked to join the Normandy I told her to get stuffed the last thing a captain on a ship would want as someone question his every move because she does not trust him. She becomes 8th infantry unit commander and gives you a military points if you kick her off the Normandy in Mass Effect 3.
Lord, I can’t look at it without tears..
Rex, Legion, Mordin..
How was can be so cruel? :(
Need to be able to put yourself in the place of others in order to understand them - IMO
That toss of the pistol at 09:30 really shows that even the renegade Shep hates it what needs to be done (or what he thinks needs to be done) sometimes. Such things really make characters human (or krogan or whatever)
The Mordin scene is even more heartbreaking, I don’t know how anyone could play through it like this lol
Had to be done, Only why to get to Max War Assets, and ger the Galaxy to balance before the distruction of the Repers
Whatever it takes
Now killing all your friends no your family is horrible. But let's be real they were basically asking for it by not having their barriers up.
I love how every bad decision you make is prefaced by him stupidly going "WAT R U DOING?!"
Saddest death in that collection is Mordin, even dying, still trying to save the Krogan.