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Why Black Women Are Embracing Oils and Butters Again 😅
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2024
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So I am still being flooded with questions on the whole no oils and butters trend and.. I wanted to clarify where I am with my natural hair journey. I think there is a lot of pros and cons that came out of that movement (which I would gladly make a video on if you are interested) but I also think it may have been introduced to the public too soon.
The damages we are seeing now came on gradually but also, this method may not be for you if your goal is to retain length (which is a big thing in our community, let's face it). I personally haven't seen any dramatic changes when it comes to length retention with women who follows this method to the T.
Personally I have been doing what I think is best for my hair and my lifestyle right now, and for me it is protective styles. Happy to answer any additional questions in the comments.
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I never stopped using oils nor butters. I never understood why it became a trend to stop. Black people having long hair isn't new and using the oils and butters and grease was apart of that.
I don't use raw oils, raw butters and grease because they irritate my scalp and it's on the recommendation of my trichologists. However, my trichologists also told me that leave in detangler, leave in conditioner and deep conditioner IS MANDATORY. They also told me not to wear my hair out and no to gel and brushes. Lol! Sisters be drying their hair out!
I stopped with oils and butters myself. I also stopped with leave ins and no more air drying. Went back to greasing my scalp and scaled on all the products.
Not because it’s a trend but bcuz I didn’t see where it helped. Also a hair stylist dropped the science with natural oils, etc. I went back to a basics when I was younger a teen and it seems to be working for me.
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Yeah I don't jump on every hair trend so I didn't stop oils and butters when it was trending. I don't care what anyone says, my scalp loves Jamaican black castor oil and my hair LOVES some raw shea butter. I don't use them every single day, but they are in my cabinet. I just live and learn what works for my hair, if it works, I keep it. Simple as that.
@@marajones1828yes I love shea butter in my hair and my daughters hair too
If oils and butters were good enough for my ancestors; they’re good enough for me!!
Thanks for sharing your update ❤
Exactly I just use juice from fruitd, roots, oil and butter and powder as my ancestors
Them coming back saying leave ins are fine without acknowledgement of their role in villainizing them is what made me lose respect for them as professionals.
At this point, it really feels like they are experimenting in real life. Like I thought this was tested in the salon for years?
Me and my trichologists laughing at this foolery. My main trichologist has tested her methods for years in her clinic and under a microscope... Which is why she makes her own products to treat hair loss in black women in London and in Angola. Black women in North America are being railroaded by these snake oil sales women/people. I'm from a black majority country in the Caribbean. Wash and goes are rare. If you use too much oil, butter and grease, it melts and runs down your neck.. Eww...Frizz is normal especially with the humidity and a day at the beach. A lot of people swim daily and weekly. Perfect hair is not an obsession and people can part hair without slathering your scalp in edge control.
@@JennJackson exactly! And the way she (Aishia) speaks to ppl doesn’t help. Trying to blame on being from Chicago. No you’re just mean! Ppl are asking for HELP and she’s just been cruel. Too busy promoting SSC and not fixing the problem. Now I’ve done the detox. Personally I’ve stopped using the RAW oils and butters because I have eczema. However I noticed quickly how dry my hair was. So I never stopped DCing. I never stopped using leave ins. I never stopped using formulated hair butters. My hair is the longest it’s ever been (without having to cut my hair into the same short bob, which is another thing I don’t like. I want length! Why do all the clients have the EXACT SAME LENGTH, including them?!?). Deeply saddens me because this set us back light years in trusting stylists. They did all that shaming of “YT university” and y’all the ones who saved the day!
THIS👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Most of us never stopped. It's just that the ones who did were super loud about it, and the no oils or butters stylists were out there yelling and waving their hands to distract people from the sound of everybody's hair breaking off. 😅
OMG not the sounds of people's hair breaking off 😭
Luckily I'm not easily distracted and I've been in these natural hair streets for Deva curl, Wen, Protein overuse, DIY disasters, shea moisture and Cantu controversies... when I had my hair bleached last year I intentionally watched a bunch of Brad Mondo video so I knew what not to do!! You can't trust nobody in these streets!! Lol! Wait no.. You can trust Audrey and her book. The Science of Black Hair: A Comprehensive Guide to Textured Hair Care.
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@@JennJackson deafening 📢😭
I watched all the videos on no oils and no butters while slathering my hair and scalp with oils and butters after rich ayurvedic DIY treatments. My hair is still thriving.
Again? I NEVER stopped 😂😂😂.
Thou anointest my HEAD with oil.... HalleluYAH!
Remember to each their own 👍🏾 💯
HAHAHA I LOVE THIS COMMENT!
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The key that people are missing is to wash your hair more frequently. I don’t think oils and butters are bad but using them frequently AND not washing your hair weekly is what is wreaking havoc on our hair.
Exactly 💯 I always thought that was the main issue when everyone was demonizing coconut oil. Instead of using it as a prewash detangler, ppl were slathering it on but only washing like once a month, if that. Of course your hair is gonna feel crispy, it needs water 💧
Please say that again for the people in the back. If the hair is dry and not styling right, it's time for another wash. And it doesn't need to be four hours long. Section hair in two parts, wash, condition, detangle with the unbrush in shower using conditioner and running water, braid or twist sections, complete the rest of your shower, airdry overnight (to 80% to lessen heat usage) or blowdry. It takes an hour or less.
If you know, you know. It's not hard.
And confession: I'm 'bout sick of these hair conversations. 😮💨
I noticed when the natural hair community started demonizing oils and butters was around the same time they started demonizing clarifying shampoos and sulphates etc and everyone was obsessed with co washing, i still like co washing but if I’m using thick products i need shampoo shampoo
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That’s why I’m not so quick to follow “trends”. The natural hair community is so gullible for scams and we really need to stop and think to ourselves “why?”.
Me: I go with science. Ain't no black cosmetic scientists or trichologists ever told anybody not to use leave in conditioner or deep conditioner.
@@marleyhill34 Science saved my hair! As Eve Aswiti has said I have become a brand agnostic! 😀
I used to follow trends in the early 2000s and I couldn't really see it making any difference. I was natural long before most of the natural hair content creators arrived on planet earth. After following all the bloggers and trying what they said,I thought my hair was the problem. Then I hear Anthony Dickey suggesting to do how I did in the 80s. And I tried that and my curls were popping but then I found it's just too long to dry. So I now do what works for me even if nobody else does it. I don't recommend what I do if people ask cos my experience is exactly that, MINE. It works for me and I dunno why. I am not a stylist or an expert on anyone else's hair beside mine.
I also prefer combining what the scientists say into my routine and no scientist every mentioned no oils and butters or even hinted at cutting out most of the stuff influencers tell us to cut out
@@CurlyCrowie My trichologists told me to cut out raw oils and raw butters. However, this is due to them assessing my scalp and my hair under a microscope in real life not online and I had to go and see them every week for a month and then every 2 weeks before I was allowed to do my hair on my own again! Unfortunately for me, raw oils and butters cause an allergic/inflammatory reaction on my scalp. The Caveat is that they do not say cut out leave-in conditioner and deep conditioner with butters and oils already formulated INTO them!! That's the difference.
@@marleyhill34 Yes not everything is for everybody. Whatever scientists say, there's always the exceptions. I realize that cos almost everything that works for most Curlies doesn't work for me. I have never had any issues at all except that most curly products are too heavy for my lo-po hair and I cannot afford them anyways.
I never stopped 😂 my hair loves butters and oils. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I know a lot of people had problems with build up which will happen over time as u layer all those products on your hair but u can fix that by clarifying whenever your hair starts to feel gunky. Kinky hair is naturally dry and needs creams and oils to smoothen the cuticles and trap moisture in
The tone, delivery, putdowns, berating, denials, and gaslighting were ALL a no for me. NOPE!!👎🏾
That's exactly what I think! There are too many judgemental folk too quick to call women overrating and dramatic when sharing their experiences. It's THEIR experiences and it's valid.
Saaaame that's when I slowly stopped watching this chanel
@@meeckerlyaugustin1090 - thank you for your response. To clarify, my original statement applies to BGC and their positioning/handling of this method.
I knew this day would come 😂 no oils and butters is absolute 🗑️
they took it too far.....I don't use raw oils, raw butters and grease because it irritate my scalp. However, I use oils and butters already chemically formulated into my shampoo, deep conditioner, leave-in detangler and leave-in cream conditioner and I don't use multiple gels on my hair with my ends out flapping around in the harsh indoor/outdoor environment 365 days a year. Oh, and I get straight trims because I can manage my hair easier with a straight trim... not because I believe that it is healthier. Listen where I live every straight-haired person has a hat on in winter and when I go on holiday with the intense sun every straight-haired person has a hat on. Wash and gos are not an all-year-round thing for every scenario.
I also swim sometimes daily so why am I trying to capture curls/coils that do not naturally form with a gel or 2 or 3 that I'm going to wash out the next day anyway. Sometimes I wonder if these North American scams will work in the Caribbean or Africa or on Afro-South Americans. I'm an internationalist. Some things I know are not for my hair and my skin but some things like Asian medicine, diet and meditation work well on my body. However the amount of things that come out of North America that make me go " oh not for me" is astounding. Rice water challenge? No. No oils, no butters, no Deep conditioner? No. Ice bucket challenge? No. Eat cinnamon or Tide pods? No. Everybody have a gun? No. I'm not anti-North American as I have relatives who live there but they are constantly fighting again the system there that seems to be against them in too many ways. Race, Healthcare, personal safety, consumerism, housing, ultra-processed food, fanatics, sociopaths/psychopaths running loose. I work with multiple ethnicities and multiple nationalities and they let me know loud and clear when I do something that would be dumb in their country. Lol!
@marleyhill34 Caribbean here, and yes, they did work for a while. Well, at least the "no oil, no butter" nonsense.
My 13-yr-old has thick waist-length hair. The 6yr old is not far behind. I on the other hand, was constantly reaching collarbone length before having to take off 4 inches of crisp ends with every trim
The difference..? Since their toddler years, my girls wld only allow my mother to do their hair. As a first time grandmother, she was momentarily taken by all the "baby formulated" products. But it wasn't lo g before she declared them all a waste of money and returned to basic pomades of old... coconut oil, castor oil, grease, and REAL shampoo to clarify every two weeks. I on the other hand, became enamoured with fancy creams and gels, endorsed by hyped youtubers.
Needless to say, my lessons have been learnt and April was the last of those 4-inch chops, as I have reclaimed my hair from the grasp of constant wash-n-go attempts, and i've surrendered it to my mother's care again.
@@vickyl7980 Girl between the sweat, humidity and swimming in the sea, when I lived in the Caribbean there was no such thing as a wash-and-go! Seeing that BGC came out of Chicago aka the windy city with its brutal winters, I have no idea how they promoted a wash-and-go in the dead of winter. Wet hair in winter will make you "catch your death"
Some of us used common sense and NEVER stopped using oils and butter. ( Wisdom helps us to avoid pitfalls (such as *trends* ) on our path of *growing* and *keeping* long hair).
Welcome back.
the no oils and butters trend was a positive thing for me. the detox really taught me that you can have a clean, flake-free scalp, and I don't have flakes or dryness anymore from switching to weekly washing, dropping raw oils, and using a hydrating shampoo.
Now i do still use oil-heavy products on my ends, and I don't do wash and gos (never have, probably won't in the future), so I never strictly followed the method. I think that is the key though, take what works, and drop the rest.
I also think the fatal flaw of the no oils / butters movement is that they came out swinging with a strong message, basically dismissing the foundational ideas of the natural hair community and shaming people in the process. And when people were coming back saying they had problems with the method, the stylists reacted by gaslighting them rather than trying to understand the problems people were facing.
The hubris of the main stylists is what discredited the no oils/butters method.
I think weekly washing was probably the key thing. Never switched to no oils and butters but I’ve always weekly washed and my hair is never itchy or flaky only if I go over my week and that because of the build up
@@cassenav fully agree! And to add to that, this “curated list” adds more insult to injury because they mostly don’t use a lot of black owned products. They automatically dismiss them because of the oil content. Meanwhile the ones they’re recommending are drying our hair out and we’re just sealing the dryness with GEL! I’m glad I just listened to my hair. I’ve always washed weekly (I have eczema) so no longer using RAW oils and butters did help me. But in actuality Anthony Dickey method helped me more cuz I cowashed almost daily. My dryness Was gone when I did that for a while.
@@MeiPague Exactly, I had issues with innersense shampoos, my hair were dry but they were telling everyday that natural hair are supposed to be naturally dry, that we are used to oils and butters that make us think hair are soft! I stopped the method in February/march and my hair are the best now because I listen to my hair and not someone!! I no longer use Innersense products except for the leave in conditionner but the shampoos and the gel were too drying and by watching the inci lists I understand why!!
I recently stopped with the oils and butters because just a few days...sometimes even the next day...scalp irritation and skin break outs were happening for me. I no longer oil my scalp and the irritation is gone and yes i wash weekly. Always have. I do still use a little jojoba on my ends but dassit
I never understood it. Everything in moderation that’s what I say.
Jenn, You are one of the FEW, 4c OGs still regularly creating content about hair. Out of the ones I used to watch, I’m talking 10 years ago, I think you’re the only one. 😅 I greatly appreciated your advice on hair and would try things you advocated for that I thought I could be successful with. So when you started advocating for no oils and butters, I thought, alright girl…I’m gonna watch you, but I’m going to sit this one out! 😂 So I said all that to say if someone got on that train cause you did, that’s on them, not you. We all have to take accountability for what we do with our own hair. We live and learn. But I’m glad you addressed the concerns, instead of turning away from them, since you were cheerleading it for a while. Your transparency, whether I agreed with you or not, has always been such a huge asset and set you apart from a lot of the other content creators. Many hugs! 💕🌺
Exactly what I was thinking when I sae this new trend😂🙈
I never stopped. I knew y'all were tripping.
🤣🤣 Yep! I never stopped 😂
The whole tomfoolery never made sense, we have super dry hair high porosity, low porosity, kinky, coily DRY. To say we don't need these lubricants literally meant we'd never have long hair, we'd have to give up length for "a lifestyle" because really it never promised "healthier hair" it was just another mombo jumbo two stylists created to capitalize on black women PERIOD. If this would ever be a proper routine they need to go back to there drawing board or somn. Thanks sis i missed you doing your hair the right way, i was low key pissed you stopped everything you thought me 😅, cheers boo 🥂💜.
Well, Well, Welll….youtube university was correct! All along! My 4C hair loves oils and butter. Thanks!Jenn for all your research and hard work on this controversial topic.
The way they talked down on “TH-cam stylists” now look lol
Sho ya right
I find it odd when ppl say they want healthy hair not long hair but the irony is if your hair is healthy and looked after you'll inevitably retain length..
Very true, length inevitable comes unless you keep cutting your hair - which I have done for a number of years
I never stopped. I've been natural for over 15 years snd learned through trial and error that they work for my hair. As long as you are using a good clarifying shampoo, buildup can be removed.
Same. I use Audrey Davis-Sivasothy's book The Science of Black Hair: A Comprehensive Guide to Textured Hair Care published in 2011 since 2011. The only thing different is that with ageing I need to shampoo and deep condition weekly and apply leave-in and a scalp spray daily and I use Olaplex once every 4-6 weeks. I have fragile hair due to neurodivergent stress, being a thalassemia carrier and lacking sunlight with dark skin. so a lot of the trends and DIYs do not work for me.
It's how they were wrong and strong.They would berate you in the comments for not accepting the method.
I don't need to be bullied by someone who has their hand in my crown...period. Good educators, cosmetologists, stylists and trichologists know that one size does not fit all. I saw my trichologist last week. I told her that my scalp was still sensitive ( from neurodivergent stress and nutrient deficiencies) so she tailored her clinic's own products to my needs and she didn't force me to buy her own products. Who wants to be bullied by their teacher? Nobody....adults do some weird things. Lol! I'm turning back into being a kid cause adult logic is the worst. Lol! Ask a kid how to make friends: you go and play with them. Ask an adult how to make friends: we stay at home and only talk to them online. 😅😅😅😅 Remember when North told her mom that her all-white house was ugly and weird? children do not lie!! lol!
I’m so grateful I did not follow that trend. I always say balance and to each their own. This may work for some and not for others.
To be honest that "No Oil - No Butter" made absolutely no sense to me. But, it's good to see that you've come back to give an honest update on how this worked for you, as most would just skip over it or even ignore it all together and move on with the next thing.
And yes, people cam change their mind and their hair - just like me combing out my locs, then years later i.e. this year, big chop
And all we're asking is for them to take ownership of the mistakes and express some kind of remorse🤷🏾
Exactly they haven't and they won't smh
They won't
The no oils/no butters trend came out years ago (about 10-15 years ago) and I fell for it and my hair STAYED under something. It was sad. I finally went back to oils and butters and sat back and watched this trend get exposed. Thank you for your video.
Oh that’s interesting… 🧐🧐🧐
@@JennJackson i think it was 2014 or 2004 long hair. didn't work out.
@@cherylmoss9518It was definitely on lhcf.
it was 2014 had to think about it.
I found them in 2016. It was a nightmare. Everything everyone is talking about now I experienced with them then. I tried to talk about it and warn people, but would just get shouted down.
They have just been terrible for the community 😔
I think ultimately what Black women desire is ease of manageability but with a style we desire. And what's desired is to each their own. There's something to the need to stop oils & butters if there's a ton of buildup. We saw the videos where oil/buildup was being expelled from the hair from chronic oil & butter use. I always looked at it kind of detox and then introducing products to really see how the hair overall responds. And to improve scalp health! It helped me sinplify my routine and restart a healthy journey. And the importance of cleansing the buildup to incorporate moisture into the shaft. Thanks for the transparency in the need to change!
Thanks for watching - love that you are doing what works for you
Build up can be remedied by frequent washing
In general, I find Aishia’s message constantly flip flops creating so much confusion. And Aleise ran to her stylist corner after she created this whole method. This whole thing is a mess. Aishia now explaining why Ag Balance was used initially, but it’s the consumer’s fault they didn’t change to a gentler shampoo. I’ve never seen a bigger train wreck in this nhc. Great video and discussion ❤
Honestly it's a mess but I really don't like how people will still blame clients when a lot of them were seeing stylists. Like shouldn't some of the damage been caught? Shouldn't they have been told to change their products? The've only seen them course correct AFTER people started having issues and speaking up (and even then it's their fault).
@@JennJacksonI agree with all of this. So problematic
That damn AG Balance stripped the life out of my hair. I literally thought it was damaged beyond repair since no amount of moisturizing or deep conditioning was helping. Thankfully, Olaplex was able to bring my hair back from the dead.
@@cmw1336 and Aishia’s still promoting it as an all purpose shampoo instead of a clarifier as we speak according to her latest newsletter 🙄
It's the consumers fault? When she created this whole educational platform based on it and made people pay thousands for the privilege of damaged hair? This is why I stopped going to black stylists/salons since 2009. Smh. I think I need to log off before I get angry. Lol! Get Angry again! 🤣😅
I never went the “no oil no butter” route. It just didn’t seem to make sense to me. And the individuals who did embrace this trend seemed to have drier hair than in the past.
It’s a shame that this experiment has ruined so many black women’s hair, and set the natural hair community back several years. Unfortunately, it only reinforced my mistrust for professional stylists.
All of this 💯
It didn't make sense to me either. No oil, no butter, no leave in, AND clarifying shampoos every wash day. What exactly were people "clarifying" if they only use light weight gels and mousse?
@@brittanywilliams8653yeah that's crazy especially the clarifying shampoo every single wash day. Smh. I had to stop oiling my scalp recently as it was causing too much irritation and the same with the butters. It was causing my skin too much irritation. But i use a moisturizing shampoo and conditioner and a leave and i will seal my ends with oil after blow drying so my scalp can actually be dry. I would've questioned it soon as clarify came up in the conversation
Your whole look is 🔥. I never followed that trend. As a high porosity, fine- haired, low density natural- light to medium oils help to lubricate my strands- reducing friction- especially when I detangle. I think the key is knowing what works for one's own hair - trends be damned. Appreciate your candid and humorous commentary! ❤
Thank you for coming back and admitting this had flaws. This is actually when I finally let go of the “social media” natural community. I’m glad we can go back to just listening to what our hair likes and what works for us as women
I'm not a trend follower😐😐. I must admit I was kinda annoyed that my fav hair youtubers starting to tell people about how good it was because apparently we had been doing too much. That also includes you😂😇, still love you sis❤. I'm all for letting people do and experiment with their hair and bodies, cause what works for you doesn't need to work for someone else. Eventhough I did feel like people had reached a state of declaring rubbish😂😂 so I just kept on minding my business and did what I knew worked best for my hair for all of the 35+ years. My motto is and will always be, if it ain't broken don't fix it
Unfortunately, I've been on the receiving end of "nothing working for my hair for" 38 years. I have neurodivergent stress and I'm a thalassemia carrier my hair is very fine and very fragile and now age-ing has made my scalp ultra-sensitive. TH-cam has helped me but it was my Aveda stylists and my trichologists who have final say in my scalp and hair. My trichologist told me in 2019 not to use any more oils and butters and grease on my scalp and by process of elimination I realised that gels were also irritating my scalp so slathering hair in gels was out too. My stylist and my trichologists see me every 6-16 weeks to check progress and any problems with my scalp and hair. I can go to them with any problem and they will help me without bullying me and they will listen to my concerns and tailor the treatment to those concerns. and they don't work against each other or me. Now I know what works...I'm very reluctant to change it and it also stops all of my hair from falling out in moments of "crises" lie the pandemic or....last summer when I made my stylist bleach my hair. Lol! I've had years of black stylists gaslighting me so that's why I only do my hair at home or let the Aveda stylists do it. My trichologists do not style the hair only 2 French braids that's it.
Almost everyone I saw doing the no oils & butters routine had crispy broke off looking hair. I said what I said & I meant what I said 😅🫣
Yup. This influencer too.
I'm glad they taught me how important it is to wash my hair, to not let products build up on my strands, how to properly wash and condition my hair but now I'm starting to see some loopholes in their methods
I never stopped using oils and butters. However, I have learned that I cannot put certain oils on my scalp, especially heavy oils. I always use leave-ins and deep conditioners every wash day.
I definitely fell for the trend and find myself going back to butters and creams just bc it helps retain moisture but yeah everything in moderation bc too much oil/butter for my fine hair is OD imo
l didn't follow this trend. l knew it was a disaster from day one lol. my 4c hair loves oils and butter
People just need to stop listening to everything and do what works for their hair.
" If its not broken it doesn't need to be fixed".
💯 exactly cause most of these so-called "trends" ain't nothing but a money ploy. The ppl who came up with this mess were just pushing their products.
it feels so long since ive seen your content, I've started oils and butters around the same time from your channel and had a similar experience. loved it at first, but then felt changes in my hair and was unsure if it was me, the method, or if my hair was supposed to feel like that. and then i saw your posts coming forward about speaking with these method creators, and i felt so relieved and also happy you had taken the time to talk to them about it, bc it felt like also accountability if this method was jacking us up, and you gave way more accountability than they did and they're the creators lol. a whole quadrant of my hair broke off in the front and i did not wanna big chop. i moved towards microlocs and they've been the best for me! i am happy to see an update about the end of this saga, as i really didn't like that it felt like that community essentially just called ppl stupid/poor for not trusting or using the method.
I really believe that the morale of this story is to LEARN TO LISTEN TO YOUR HAIR! There’s been a lot of discussion about how the natural hair movement “failed” us, and while the movement wasn’t perfect, if it taught me nothing else, it taught to listen to what my hair AND scalp were telling me. Once I learned this important lesson and developed the needed skill to respond appropriately, I was able to avoid the pitfalls of “trends” (no shade to the ladies trying to meet their hair goals). I now have a simple weekly routine that has my hair thriving. We can all have healthy, thriving, beautiful natural hair if we listen to what our hair wants and stop forcing it to be something it doesn’t want to be. 🤗❤️
Shalom. When I first went all natural, I couldn’t find videos that had my hair texture. Many gave false hope, because when I tried the method they were doing to do their hair I didn’t work for me. Until I found your videos. And I was able to see someone with similar hair get results. I was in. Until the no oils and butters. I would check in every now and then to see if you were still doing that trend. I could see your beautiful hair suffering because of it. I’m glad you’re back.
That’s why I don’t listen to the no oils or butters. I have high porosity hair my hair lovessss olive oil. So it’s a staple for me.
I appreciate you being one of the OG influencers who both tried the method, and listened and used your platform to spread the word once it was discovered the method was no bueno.
The strong messages have been in the natural hair community since the beginning. BGC is just another one of those imo. By now, naturals should modify their routine based on how you wear your hair and the products that give you that look. I only use mousse for most of my styles and I get the results I want. If I decide to try a butter then I’ll hydrate my hair first and not overuse it. 🤷🏽♀️
I’m glad I never gave much money to that trend. I remember called curly chemistry“ pushing it. Maybe at the end of the day depends on the individual, but I don’t see anything wrong with using oil and butters. Hydrate with water or moisturize with the moisturizer, but you must seal and soften and smooth out the hair with oils and butters, and maybe gel.
I think the unfortunate and telling thing about how people jump on the different trends and perspectives and practices in these natural hair streets is that people don't SEEM to be learning how to care for their OWN hair at all. It seems like an ever trying, never learning cycle. There have been so many practices revealed on TH-cam (cherry Lola, maximum hydration, loc, lco, lcog, grease and water, curly girl, dickey method, bgc, henna, cheba, aloe vera, turmeric, fruits and vegetables lol, etc) and every time one is revealed the masses jump on the bandwagon and try them. Or they jump off the bandwagon to abandon them. 🤷🏾♀️ BUT when will we learn to just do what works and has been working for your hair. Be consistent in those practices and don't worry about what anyone else is doing or recommending. In that same vein there are still people who subscribe to SSC monthly and hang on every change and product recommendation made. How long does it actually take to learn proper techniques to care for your hair? At some point you need to put what you've learned into practice and make decisions for yourself on what you use, and how you adjust based on how your hair is behaving. Let's continue learning and doing... and not following.
Yup 💯 just blindly following these sponsored influencers has caused so many senseless setbacks. Ppl who stayed in their lane stayed thriving.
Girl - let them be mad.
That’s their business.
Keep your beautiful journey going!
Best wishes for you & your growing family. 🤍
Thank you so much!!
I never left out the leave in with my wash n go. That step is too important for my kinky coils. But I did stop using oils and butters in my styling. I'll do a hot oil treatment every now and then, and oil my scalp once a week.
I gave thought to trying the no oils no butters trend but I know my hair. My hair would not have made it and I’m glad I didn’t fall for it. I’m learning to listen to my hair more and what it’s telling me it needs.
Any trend I think what would my stylist and my trichologists say....I know exactly what they would say....a big fat NO!. Lol! They been in the game too long fixing disasters and they have already seen how fragile my hair and scalp are.
Thank you so much for addressing this 🤍
We never stopped 😂 who told you we did, you're the only youtuber still doing this.
Keep calling them out Jenn!!!
See Jenn, this is why I need you! I didn't know they were now advocating using leave ins. Now I have to go look that up!
Oils and butters are great sealants. They’re not moisturisers 😅 if not used properly they can also be drying 😢
Right if you don’t use water or some type of leave in containing water and use on dry hair your sealing in dryness and therefore the product serves no purpose.
@@christines1821spot on
Flip flopping like pancakes 🥞 😂😂😂😂. I’m glad that I considered it but didn’t implement it. Give me my oils and butter! I’m going to 🎤 that again. I’m glad that you tried it for us, Jenn.😊😊.
I genuinely appreciate your perspectives. You certainly always bring creativity to the natural hair space. Keep shining.
Thank you for watching x
Thank you for weighing in on this. It's always nice to hear your perspective on this "no oils and butters" ongoing saga. I do think there are some positives with that method and it's important that we don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Your hair always looks amazing whatever you do. I must say though, I love your wash and gos too. The shape is always shaping! Please do another video when you go back to your stylist.
I think that they had the right intention but they took it too far into a one-size-fits-all all category and refused to listen to other perspectives. You can't do that as a professional. It's called continuing professional development. I know cosmetologists who have 20 years of experience and are still going on courses to learn new information. My trichologist told me that in 20 years she had to change her methods because they were not working for every client. They didn't tailor it to the individual client and that's where most of the issue lies. I don't use raw oils and butters but I use leave-in conditioner daily and deep conditioner weekly and a scalp spray daily...because my hair and scalp need it as assessed by my trichologists. I don't use gels regularly because they irritate my scalp. We need to get to a place where we can trust black stylists, cosmetologists and braiders when we say hey this isn't working for me. Until then I'm sticking with my school friends' kitchens, my home kitchen, my Polynesian stylist and my black trichologists. Lol!
It was very gradual. The first few months my hair was thriving, I was shouting from the roof tops, THEN it was dry AF and falling out.
The one good thing I got from them was more regular washing and better scalp health, but I’m back to oils and butters.
Also clarifying once a month or so to avoid buildup.
Hey Jenn! Your hair styles are always so cute! Can you put together a compilation of styles you have done to your hair to give some of us an idea of different styles we can do to our hair? Thanks.
Oh that's a great idea... I'll think about it 🫣
Sis your graphics are top tier 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you friend!
Oh hayle naw i didnt know miss southside of Chicago was outchea using leave in😩
They lost me on the no need for deep conditioning 👀. Nope lol and I’m still doing hot oil treatments as well. Same as when I was relaxed.
Mrs. Jenn you are a gem to the community don’t ever change. There have always been some in this space that will view content then regurgitate information and posture as if the knowledge is their own but their results tell the truth. Lots of ladies in the community have spoken up and the overwhelming results are not good in this case. Until stylists as a whole go beyond their basic cosmetology education and salon product brand marketing information posturing as hair care & styling education they will continue to have costly mishaps on clients heads. So please keep listening to y’all hair above all. I’m team raw butters and oils for life 💛
I certainly tweaked my hair regimen in response to BGC’s approach. I did notice a lot of improvement in how my hair absorbs products and responds to water. It feels hydrated and I owe that to some great information they put out there. No one size fits all, but I think their main tenet was no RAW oils or butters, and home-made concoctions, especially if your goal was to have hydrated hair and a defined curl (according to your head of hair). I think it makes a lot of sense, and proof of that is how hair behaves following the detox. Everything else after that is on us making informed decisions based on a blank slate and understanding our own head of hair vs applying any and everything to it. On the other hand, I do agree the presentation of that information wasn’t always great, but that’s another story entirely IMO. xx
thank you. i never heard them say no leave-in conditioners or creams cuz they have them recommended in their product list. many people are misquoting them
I agree! I think the method is a great starting point for someone who has no routine/idea on how to take care of their natural hair (like I was when I started using the method), but like you say there comes a point where you have to make decisions based on how your hair is behaving Vs just doing what the method tells you to do.
@@missserwaa_no in the beginning they did say no leave ins they've been advocating this method for over 5 years, I have their original ebook.
I’ve been natural since 2004. I started doing wng’s around 2012. My hair grew just fine and was healthy. When BGC came on the scene I had decided to loc my hair. So I watched from the sidelines. 2 years ago I combed my locs out due to a bad psoriasis flare up, causing hair loss and a bald spot. Eventually I cut all the damaged hair. I went back to wng’s and looked into BGC. Like you Jenn, I stopped using RAW oils and butter. However, I still used a leave in and products formulated with oils. After getting my psoriasis under control, I continue to rock wng’s like I did before BGC and my hair is healthy and growing like it has in the past. Wash n go’s aren’t bad, but rather the BGC routine. There are lots of women who mainly wear wng’s and their hair is thriving, (ie…What the Kink) who I’ve watched for many years. We have so many choices/options how to rock our beautiful natural hair. It’s all beautiful to me. Thanks for sharing and your transparency.
What is BGC?
Yes Jenn, you said it! You know your hair and your lifestyle better than anyone else and you must do what works for you. I love to watch hair videos to get inspiration and to learn about new products but at the end of the day, I do what works for me. I have very fine 4C hair which is much different even from someone with thick 4C hair so I experiement to see what works. My hair LOVES WATER and light product application so I shampoo and deep condition 1-2 times per week. My hair is also very short so it's easy.
Question: how do you wear your hair in between washes when washing multiple times a week?
I think my hair is trying to tell me it wants to get washed more often but if I don't know how to style it. Most styles I do are meant for two weeks at a time (wash n go, twists). My one idea is maybe jumbo twists. What do you do to make it work and not take up too much time/extra labor?
@@marajones1828 My hair is ULTRA short. When it was relaxed, I wore a pixie cut and rarely grew it longer. It was probably a half-inch all over when I big chopped last October. I've had it cut twice since then and was calling my stylist to see if she can taper it this weekend but I will probably always keep it short. It's very easy.
I miss my short hair! I big chopped two years ago so it's more medium than short but I miss the days it was a TWA because I was so carefree and I know I would be handling this heat better. I'm so tempted all the time to cut it again!
Originally didn’t use oils because I don’t like the feeling of it. However, I knew my Shea butter wasn’t finna go anywhere. Mess around and end up with no hair. My hair love Shea butter
Mine does too.
Good video but I didn’t hear any accountability on your end. You advocated this method as well! It wasn't just the stylists! I enjoy your videos though
Right
This 4C girl could never ever stop using oils and butters. I wouldn’t have one strand of hair on my head if I did that!
I've never used raw oils or butter; however, I have always used leave-ins, and done deep conditioning when my hair needed it. I have no problem using products that have oils and butter in them. I thought the method was like what I had always done, but didn't realize that it included not using leave-ins, creams, and never deep conditioning. That was a step that I was not willing to take. My hair was healthy and I was already a WnG girlie, so there was nothing to change for me.
I was very skeptical about this when I first saw it. I tried it once just to see what was good and it was horrible for my hair. Left it dry as the Sahara! I believe the stylists saw that women were frustrated with the product junkie part of the natural hair community & came with the “no oils, no butters” trend to profit. Also, when I saw that most of the hairstyles the stylists did were wash n gos I’m like cmon now! That is so not sustainable for everyone especially in colder climates AND we all like different styles! I’m glad more people are speaking about this because it was very side eye worthy.
I never stopped using oils, butters, and braids.
I've been observant of the natural hair community on YT for a decade like a lot of ppl. I didn't know until this year that ppl were suggesting not using oils on hair.
I may have been outta touch off and on for a couple years but I've been tuned in overall.
I've been natural for 20 years
Do what's best for u.
I have been doing the no oil no butter regimen for two years now, and I'm flad I never followed it to a T. I kept using leave-Ins, didn't use gel on product free hair, and so far I have only notice one small problem, which is minimal breakage. I'm going back to using a bit of oil on my strands, as I'm realising that they probably function as lubricants for the strands, and thus reduce the likelihood of breakage. That being said, I learned a lot from being oil free, I learned to let go of unnecessary steps in my hair routine, learned to work with products that aren't traditionally marketed for black hair (as those contain less oils than black owned ones, and are also cheaper). It wasn't all bad, but there's definitely a need for balance. No more excessive use of oils, just enough to lubricate the strands!
Why were ppl even following the trend. I never stopped using what my hair likes & and needs 🤷♀️ .
I honestly never knew "no oils no butters" was even a thing 🤷🏾♀️ Until I watched THIS video 😬 I haven't been to a stylist since August 2015, just doing my own natural hair thing but checking hair videos to #1 find out what products other naturals are using and #2 learn how to style because my mother never taught me how to cornrow or anything 😕 Anyway......I appreciate your videos, Jenn 👍🏽
I cut my hair because the split ends just kept getting worse. The curly cut was not addressing the ends. I’m back to using leave-ins and gels and even some creamier gels such as the Pattern curl gel.
Discerning ones "they will by no means follow a stranger but will flee from him because they do not know the voice of strangers."-Prov 2:11; 15:21; John 10:5.
Thanks for sharing.
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This 💯
For what it’s worth, I did try to stop using oils (still used leave in and did the other parts of my regimen because that other advice was always a little crazy in my mind) and I didn’t use any new products but i did minimize the amount of products that I used to style my hair and that helped me a lot. However I have fine hair, I notice a lot of people who tried this method on TH-cam don’t have that. So you’re right about them pushing to be one size fits all and it’s not. Also through this more of my texture came out and I don’t think my hair is even 4c anymore
Great video. I did the no oils/butters for a while but wasn't a true adherent. Didn't like the 4c exclusion and the stylists' attitudes. Thanks for addressing both points!
You got to know what works for you, with trial and error but also patience and discipline. Definitely not by following trends.
I still do not use oils and butters, but I never used the recommended shampoos. I have always used the moisture milk and leave ins with a gel or cream stylers. I only get trims every 6 months also. Some of the TH-cam University was very good to me!
The shampoos they recommended contributed to the damage as well as they were clarifying. They recommended lightweight products but then also recommended clarifying shampoos every wash day. So weird.
@@brittanywilliams8653Yes, I agree about it being the products, mainly the AG shampoo. I never really used oils and butters since my early 20s, and I am now in my 50s. But like so many I began to see something go wrong, something go very wrong. It wasn’t losing length, and my stylist always gave me a proper cut, but it was the weathered dry look that just appeared one day, about two years after using strictly AG shampoo and me having stopped using leave in conditioners. I also saturated my hair in oil for an hour or so every couple of weeks (this stopped as well). I still do wash n his because it works well for my lifestyle, but I have gone back to my practices of hair care. I got rid of that AG shampoo, started using leave ins, etc. what a difference it has made. I sorta began to think about things when Willonawhim talked about how that “Uncle Funky, and in Innersense crap” dried out his hair. He is indeed a hoot. Well, I just could not used Uncle Funkys so I never did, but I honestly don’t have an issue with Innersense products. So, again, thank goodness I did not follow that method to a T, but what I did follow cause damage, just not as bad as it did for others. I thought it was just me…, ok, honestly, I’d blamed my barber on doing something nefarious. I was wrong. She didn’t even know my hair practices. Nope, it was all on me.
I love the tgin moisturizing butter for people who just like to twist it at night wear it out during the day 💕
I agree! You are allowed to change how you do your hair…variety brings joy. 🎉
Listen, I will never feel bad about that as much as people want to put my in box. There is a reason why I started a whole channel around my hair lol
Im so glad I never jumped on any of the natural hair bandwagon stuff…it took a LONG time to understand my own hair…those things hardly ever lined up with how my hair responded to how I cared for it. I’ve been a shea moisture girl even after the were bought out…listen, that hibiscus line is my hairs BFF🙌🏽🙌🏽. I use them, I play around with Mielle Organics occassionally but even their gels make my hair dry. So, I’ll continue doing what works for me and minding my business👌😂😂
I love how you keep it real Jenn. I never “felt” the oils no butter was the way to go, but thought I’d keep an eye out and see how it goes. So glad I did. TY❤
I never stopped. I love oils and butters.
I never stop using them.
I’m loc’d now because I just couldn’t believe that trend I did messed up my hair so bad… then “they” had us pay for additional support and access to how to properly do the no butter no oil mess.
I never followed that trend.
We appreciate you being so transparent about your journey with NONB.
I never stopped,my hair love both,i cld stop leave ins,but my shea butter and olive oil never,my hair pass bra strap lenght,5 yrs natural and in its best health.
Thank you for this video Jen! I actually started this method off the back of one of your videos because I could relate to a lot of the issues you were experiencing pre detox. Also the "science" behind it made sense to me i.e oils repelling water, washing more frequently etc. And I think for someone who has no routine and has no idea how to care for their natural hair, this method is great for laying the foundations and getting to grips with the basics. However there comes a point where you have to assess your own head of hair and go with what it needs based on its behaviour as opposed to following what the method tells you to do. For me as a "4c" curly I never managed to get a wash and go to work for me, so my go to style has always been twist outs, and I think this is the reason why I havent experienced the issues others have. I always use a leave in under my foam because the one time I didnt my hair was super dry! For me, blown out cuts are an absolute MUST for my tight curls over curly cuts. I say all that to say, like any hair care routine, take the "rules" with a pinch of salt, pay attention to what your hair actually needs and do more of that.
Thank you for always keeping it real with us! ❤
any time you see a social media trend gimmick run the other way.. I wish people would be less inclined to blindly follow what they see on social media.
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Go Jen 💪🏾
What upsets me is she has tried both k18 and now promoting redken acidic bonding ....but keeps saying AG is all purpose
Based on the lifelong behavior of my hair, I was way too scared to try no oils or butter. I just assumed that it worked well only on other people’s hair.
I love that braid style on you! Congratulations on your new addition Jenn ❤
Love you Jen🥰 Congratulations on your Baby!🙏🏽 Blessings Always!🙏🏽🤗💋💋💋
Thanks for the video. 👍🏽(Cool glasses😎👍🏾!)
Thank you!
Hygral fatigue is a thing. A major cause of split ends.
Looking forward tro a video of how you are now doing a wash and go with LI!!!