I’m always on edge and disappointed when I go to a natural stylist and I’m 4c/4b hair. I’m never satisfied with the wash and they cause breakage during detangle do to laziness. Of course I kept quiet because awkward to speak up type situation BUT I was uncomfortable and mad
@@gee7846please stick to this. Don't make the mistake I made. They pulled my hair from the roots, next thing you know bald spots. I had dense hair prior. You couldn't see my scalp but now am regrowing my hair. Never again. They don't have the patience and some of the damage is permanent unfortunately.
@@gee7846…Good for you!! After going natural I did my own hair then I was convinced that I needed a trim… went to a stylist that I researched from the web🫢… I looked worse after the appointment than I did before … now, I’m my own stylist!! I even trim my ends … I really enjoy the process and that was a major part of me going natural…as African American women … we all have “good hair “ we need to embrace our glory💕 I Do‼️
I’m so blessed to have a natural hairstylist that truly cares for and knows how to take care of my natural hair. My 1st trim with her was 2 months ago on blown out hair and she went into my hair and trimmed my hair and my ends are thick and healthy. My full service of cleansing, dc, and braids with no added hair. I send her styles from AHG and she is able to do the styles with grease, no jam for parting and my hair is thriving. All for a wonderful price of $65. She’s also the co-owner!!! Tfs Jenn~ Love from TX💜
Your hair has gotten so long! I love it! 😍 I will say this. The fact that the no oils and butters method continues to be marketed and pushed to women with textured hair after so many heads of have been ruined is very telling! It’s not as simple as giggling and shrugging your shoulders and saying you were wrong in your stories after countless big chops have taken place due to the method! And my issue with curly cuts is exactly what you said. They seem to be mostly for shape. I just watched a curl specialist cut a ton of her clients hair off because the ends were super thinned out from getting curly cuts. So not only do I think they don’t address all the split ends I also believe they thin the hair out over time. How these methods are still being used and promoted as healthy is crazy to me. Also thank you for the shoutout Jenn. 💖 Lastly, I’d say use discernment with whatever haircare routine you decide to follow because picking the wrong one can have real negative implications‼️💯
@@shelly.v.247 actually sorry one more question lol: I think your hair started to change colors. Was it in the summer or just dryness? I think it’s back to being black now right?
I like the final result. I typically don’t subscribe to hair trends but I definitely treat myself to professional washing and conditioning. I haven’t found one that styles my hair the way I like.
When I used to get perms, my hair was always 1b/2. When I stopped getting them and my hair grew out, it immediately went back to black. Like jet black.❤
I like how you asked to see the hair hall 🤣 I remember I went back to my stylist and she said she would trim my hair a little and I didn’t think nothing of it but she was so kind to let me know and show me how much she trimmed before I left the seat.
Have you ever thought about using heat protectants during the summer? The sun does bleach the hair. It turns black hair to brown. My stylist use to tell me if I wanted to keep my hair protected from sun bleaching, use some heat protectant on my hair. It does work. Even with braids and twists I still put a little on my hair.
This is where I think we should draw the line with some stylist. We just don't need that many products, sorry. We have hair this curly, SPECIFICALLY to deal with the sun. It's literally curly for that specific reason. Million of people with 4C hair go about their day, growing inches, under the brightest sun. There are tons of toxic chemicals in the majority of hair products. This probably outweighs any tiny benefits we might get from this practice. Just my 2cents.
Had locs for many years. The bottom of my hair turned BROWN! definitely from age/the sun. Sun causes our hair to turn colors just as it does for others ( that’s also where the term beach blonde comes from- people would get natural highlights from the sun damage)
@@JennJackson this is like “black people don’t need sunscreen” lite lol. Jokes aside, change occurs over time. That time frame can be shorter or longer. I’m sure you’ve tried things that worked for you (not just related to hair) one second and failed you the next, seemingly out of the blue.
I stopped using oils and butters since Feb and I actually noticed my hair being blacker than usual. My hair has always been a medium brown color and may vary based on dryness but I was a compulsive “protective styler” who also worked out and before that permed and I always correlated that hair color to dryness. But now omg my hair is so black and I think it’s because hitting my hair with moisture consistently on a weekly basis, and not coating it with shea butter snd castor oil has really helped my curls retain more moisture. Crazy but regardless what styling method you choose, it will come with its risks of damage it just depends on what your individual style goals are.
It is summer, and we are in the sun and heat more. The hair is changing colors, because of the UVA and UVB rays. If the products in the salon, and at home don't provide protection, the hair will change color, due it being older and higher in porosity. It's not the method, it's literally what all hair does naturally! You also are still recovering from postpartum, and getting ready to have another! Trust it is your body adjusting. My mom is experienced the same after having me and my 4 siblings, and now again in her 50s and she has locs! There are some oils and butters that help, but the PH must be balanced! That way the strand receive what it needs, and it can be washed away properly when you decide to wash!
Yes, being under the sun can slightly lighten the hair, particularly the ends. But so too can chronic dehydration and damage, even more significantly actually . When i was permed (chemically damaged) my hair was 1b/2, and nearly orange and the ends. Same thing happened doing the method, in addition to my hair feeling coarser. My hair is fine and naturally jet black.
@@ChiannaNycole I'm trying to find the no in your statement. Chronic dehydration can be from multiple different factors. Most people forget that the minerals that are used to treat water for home use, can build up on our hair as well. Highly textured hair is always susceptible to damage. It is something that we can't control. A split end can be the result of multiple things. I think the more we remember that the main hair that's at the scalp, is more important than anything. It is connected to the blood vessels that feed it naturally.
I was going to answer but noticed your user name. You claim you don't have the time, yet come and defend this method under EVERY video I post. If it works for you, great. But consider that this may not work for EVERYONE - and that's okay too.
@@JennJackson hey my love! My comment this time, wasn't centered around the method. It was simply to shed light on what naturally happens, whether you do the method or not! Which is why I mentioned my mom, and her experiencing the same thing as you, and she's team butters and oils all day! I never mean to be disrespectful to you, especially as someone who's helped me with my hair in a couple of ways! However, I do take accountability for certain comments that weren't clear, and came off very rudely! So to that, I apologize! I really do push to have the full spectrum of things to be discussed, and I genuinely don't mean to make anyone uncomfortable, about my views!
Absolutely fabulous!!! Love your hair texture so much and it's growing so well! And love seeing all us natural hair girlies showing up on each other's pages! So fun!
I think both sides can be extreme. You don't necessarily need extra oils and butters to combat dryness (because products you use have them formulated into them) if you wash your hair often enough aaand you also don't need to strickly avoid them in products if you clarify when you need to. Ultimately, the simple key is moisture. Not topical spritzes or creams that you apply every other day but deep internal moisture that can only be applied through shampooing and conditioning often.
I think what I've learned from being very die hard no oils or butters and now having done a 180 is that some stylists, especially some online, will try to push their ideas on haircare onto you rather than trying to improve your routine according to your goals. They try to create THE method rather than giving you your method. Which makes sense, because you can't give everyone who follows you on insta a personal hair care regime. There's a lot of useful stuff I learned from the no oils and butters thing, like that you can mess up your hair if you don't cleanse it properly, but i think I'm going to take that information and move into a different direction
I haven't stepped foot in a salon in ages, but if I were to go, I'd love all my questions answered just like that. Also, I don't remember the last time I used oils. A butter here and there, but my hair thrives best without them.
Once or twice a year I trim my hair while straightened or blowdryed, so I can see the ends better. I shape my hair a few (one to three times) for shape and I do that on my coily hair. Sometimes the shapinng trim happens after I revert my hair after a straight trim (the next time i was my hair). It seems to be the best way to manage my hair as I have all three 4s on my head and they coil differently.
The key to this conversation is communication and finding someone with the skill set you need for your hair. One thing that is important for me is the fact that my stylist specializes in cuts. We need to know what I need from the person we are paying.
There was a give and take for me with the bcg method. I stopped using raw oils and butters, but i get blown out cuts, i use leave ins with my gels, i deep condition every wash day and i use heat protectants every time i diffuse. Continue to monitor your hair cuz the damage is progressive, not immediate.
I agree with the damage being progressing and it creeps up at an even slower past if you continue to incorporate butters (formulated). At least that's been my case
@JennJackson butters were never my thing, but i was an avid olive oil user. I will say since taking out the olive oil my wash and go's have been better. I'm going to see if I retain length or if I should just bring it back. Leave ins are for sure a must tho
I am 51 years old. I finally understood my hair texture was different after the first time I went natural. I felt ignored and people felt over exaggerated my hair texture until they went they took me to the shampoo bowl 😅. Water based hydration and protein education is needed. Plain old products used for JeriCurls help tremendously. Coconut oil is the devil for my hair.
I missed the beef I started the BGC since Feb/March and I’m so thankful for it. My hair has never been more manageable, curly and easy to mange. I’ve never in my life saw my hair be so easy naturally. They debunked a lot of misconceptions I had about my coily “type 4” hair but at the end of the day follow the method that bests suits whatever style you want to achieve based on your individual hair goals. I want to wear my hair curly and I want something easy to maintain since I workout. So I mean I understand some folks had some issues but it’s still marketed because a lot of us also haven’t had issues but I think many factors may play into that. Who knows but I’m thankful. And I’m sorry for those who have had issues, wish we could really sit and figure it out but also glad their information is available for those of us who want to wear our hair curly.
Glad it is working for you but just a word of caution - pay attention to your hair overtime because we all started out feeling exactly that way. I loved my results for the first year, the second wasn't as great but okay (then again I did have a baby) and then now it feels like my hair isn't retaining much hydration well which is why I am reverting back.
I honestly feel the only people that should talk about hair care and methods should be cosmetic chemists and trichologists. It never made sense to me to remove oils. Great video Jenn!
I honestly think that all 3 disciplines need to work together in tandem for a holistic and comprehensive approach to haircare. Methods will never be the answer because one method will never work for everyone or every situation. The issue that I come across is that the cosmetologists are very experienced with handling and styling hair, as well as, observing client hair experiences over a extended period of time. but they lack the full scope of knowledge of products and how they affect hair and scalp on a deeper level. Cosmetic chemists are very well versed in the knowledge of products, particularly ingredients and their contribution or detriment to the health or condition of hair. The issue is that they are hung up and stuck on book knowledge. The problem with book knowledge is that it's a limited understanding of our hair. It teaches hair from the lens of our hair being less than or interior as opposed to being different. Cosmetic chemists are also lacking in that they don't work closely with various hair textures regularly. They aren't able to fully bridge the gap between the efficacy of products and the experience of the consumers the way stylists would. The science regarding our hair is still lacking in full understanding because they have only on recent years taken more of an interest in studying our hair. Remember that there are still cosmetic chemists that formulate products like relaxers and formaldehyde chemical straighteners. The products work exceptionally well but at the detriment of the consumers overall experience of health. With trichologists, they are more specialized to better understand hair and scalp disorders. They see how certain products or ingredients can contribute to issues with hair and scalp but again they tend to be rigid with the book knowledge as their sole understanding of our hair. Science still can't explain or cure many of the issues that we experience like CCCA. With black hair, we have always had a more intimate understanding because we have lived and experienced it before science could tell us anything about it. All disciplines have pieces to the puzzle that is figuring out the unexplained with our hair. But we need to pool our experiences and respective specialties of knowledge to answer these types of questions.
Love this answer because the science doesn't always include US. I had a chat with a cosmetic chemist who confirmed up to 10 years ago (at least), they were not testing ingredients/products on REAL afro hair (they would use the mannequin)
Curly cuts on your hair type is not good....if you blowdry your hair you will see how bad it is..the cut creates choppyness in your hair ,and can cause tangled hair...the result is going to be longer but thin ends .You need to blow out your hair then trim then do the styling,reset and use gel for more definition (Doux) works amazing.
I’ve been to 3 natural hairstylists….. I’m just not satisfied at how they cut my hair! It always turns out uneven! The last time I got a big chop back in 2019, it grew out so pretty! I was taking care of it myself, wearing protective styles because covid happened! Soon as i went back to a stylist, my hair got pHucced… and went to 3 different ones…. SIGH…. I wish I could cut my hair myself….
I would love to have a salon visit but too many negative experiences in the past and I’m growing my hair out very well so it’s a NO FOR ME, it’s too much work to have a stylist destroy in less than an hour. I always use oils, butters aloe Vera water, aloe gel from a family that has a farm and sells the gel on Amazon these products are giving me success with my hair retention. Your final salon outcome style looks great
Girl when you said a lot of holes, it made me immediately think that the issue with the method is that the method is full of holes, baby crowns, and mullets XD
I’m would love to see a stylist - but for years can’t seem to find one who can manage my high density hair with common sense. Like wash my hair in sections for goodness sake don’t let it dry out without a leave in or something …
My goodness your hair has grown so fast! I was like, wait i thought sis just had a big chop not too long ago? Love the shape too. Having used leave ins throughout my dabbling with bgc, I’m convinced it’s the overly harsh shampooing, rewetting base gels (hygral fatigue) and lack of a sealant (be it leave in, oil whatever you prefer) that jacked up people’s hair. This also explains why Brittany Mia’s hair started splitting despite her leave in use. Our hair has always been prone to dryness because our curl shape prevents sebum from lubricating our strands, this method made that fact worse by stripping the hair and not replacing the loss of sealant/oil. Those gels that rewet with humidity destroyed my scalp health. Since big chopping i’ve gone back to clays, no longer use ‘base’ hydrating gels that swell the cuticle constantly and keep my scalp moist and itchy. Hair has never felt softer and i’m still a wash and go every week girl.
Oh that's interesting that you are still doing wash and go with different products and doing better. Glad you found a solution. I feel the same way where this method CAN work but needs to be modified depending on your hair needs but I feel since it was sold as one-for-all thing, its hard to admit this and make improvements
Did you like the end results after your styling? Do you feel like re-introducing oils and butters contributed to less definition? It seems like it soaked up water well at the sink but then once dry it didn't seem like it. BUT, you do your hair all the time, so how did you feel about the results?
I did but my issue is that it doesn't last. These wash and goes would last 4-5 days before feeling like I need to hydrate and now it get dry by day 2 so my hair hasn't been retaining moisture well over time (its been three years of me doing this method by the way).. This is the main issue I have noticed over time and I appreciate you asking first because people to tussle with me when they have never touched my hair lol
I would always set expectations but the problem has been stylists like to say "yes I can do that, trust me...". Then I'd walk out a hot mess, and upset I wasted my money on a someone who assumed their talents were up to par. If a stylists cannot do what's requested or make happen what the client is seeking, all I ask is be honest and say you cannot do it. My hair has no time to be f*d up due to another's pride and inability to admit they don't know what the hell they are doing.
I was wondering the same. She shampooed her hair twice with a mild clarifying shampoo, didn't deep condition, and then slapped on gels and foams all before placing her under a hooded dryer and then diffusing. Is it any wonder people's hair is dry and breakin off? I can't believe people actually paid money for this.
I don’t really use oil in my hair anymore but I think I just kinda started skipping steps in my hair routine in general now that I have kids. However, I will say that when I started my natural hair journey over 7 years ago. I did all the steps the hair “gurus” recommended including oils and butter and my hair flourished. I got to near mid back length. I never applied oil or any products other than shampoo to my scalp though because I didn’t want to clog my pores.
I have never had my hair trimmed in it’s natural kinky state. I go to the salon for a color and trim every 3 months. It’s trimmed after it’s flat ironed…..I don’t understand how you can see the actual ends of your hair in its coily state.
Well what if one doesn't want to flat iron their hair? The argument from the stylists is that... they allegedly can although it's been proven otherwise. idk
I NEVER wear my hair in its natural state so that’s why I told my stylist to trim it accordingly. We decided on an annual flat iron to properly trim. In between it is what it is.
So which one is the root cause, no oil/butter or curly cuts?? I have added back leave in conditioner to my WNG routine but still curly cutting at the salon. I just feel we shouldn’t have to alter the state of our hair to get it cut/trimmed!
Well I don't think there is just ONE cause. Curly Cuts will eventually just leave you with uneven ends (and some thinning as many as mentioned from their experiences) but that may not bother you if you always wear your hair curly. No oils/Butters is more of a matter of hydration and compromised cuticles (split ends/dryness/change in color) etc. The real questions you should be asking yourself is are you happy with the state of your hair? Is it retaining moisture? is it behaving the way that you expect it to? Are you happy with your routine? Part of the reason many are "successful" with this method *I believe* is because it gives them a streamline predictable routine and less to do with the actual health of their strands.
Some said it’s the sun but others said it’s just plain dryness. So I am not sure the root cause but what I do know is I used a few butters on my last wash day and my hair looks marginally darker 🤷🏾♀️. I don’t think the issue is fixed though, more masked.
I did last October and had a "light" blowout just a week before this. I may another just to the culture one last time before I move on from this method for good lol (not a huge fan of heat)
I have not heard of that brand Earthtones. How do you like the moisturizing shampoo and the topper gel? I still prefer not to use a leave-in with my washn’go but have been trying to find a replacement for UFD, that I like.
It's a base gel - not a topper. Love the moisturizing shampoo. The products were developed by at naturopathic doctor and certified Trichologist so I find that they are "richer" than most of the other promoted brands. The gelly is aloe based and typically keeps my hair hydrated (better than UFD) although this time it didn't but I think the topper gels has more to do with that.
@@JennJacksonThank u and I did mean base gel 😊 I just tried both products and I love it. Oh, it was probably that I create definition topper affecting the softness. That foam will make your hair hard as a brick 🥴
No oils, butters or leave was about getting those topper gels to work and not hair health. They will usually flake when you mix them with certain products. I don’t believe that they knew that following this method would destroy peoples hair, but it was never meant to make anyone’s hair healthy. It was too. It was meant to make these gels be able to define and hold the hair without flaking up.
I wholeheartedly listened to Rosie and Shelly’s experiences. I want no parts of the bgc/cut it kinky method. If I ever make it back to a salon, I’m walking out if it’s wall to wall Innersense, uncle funkys and base gels 😂 I’m sorry but that’s just how I feel. Give me the opposite of everything they taught or advocated for. The damage they created is unprecedented.
I used to go to the older lady that was my so called stylist…. The only reason I went to her cuz she gave me the big chop and the only person that could trim my hair right. My hair was very healthy BUT she made it known twice that she couldn’t style my hair. One her daughters had my texture hair 4c and she didn’t even like doing her hair. When I say she price gouged me you would’ve thought I left her hair fried died laid to the side but not just a blow dried even fro. What I settled for and would go home to style my hair after spending $$$ . I can’t even say the amount I was so ashamed. But since 2020 I have found a hairstylist that is for me all the way around an takes pride in what she does
Anonymity allows me to be open💀 I'm a guy. And i have serious 4C coily hair. Like i could grow it out for months but it'll grow for sure but somehow look the same but i want it to pop out like an afro but I'm scared about using hair relaxers and straightening chemicals. Any help will be greatly appreciated
Jen, what would you do if you found a stylist that is really talented, attentive, responsive and has a genuine good heart BUT is repeatedly not reliable with communication and keeping appointments? I feel conflicted because she's a sweet person but I'm tired of constantly being disappointed. (I never show I'm disappointed either, I'm always nice but she will cause to lose money with some of her last minute cancelations) not to mention I was standing in 97F weather for over 20min cuz she flaked again 😭
I say be direct and communicate with your stylist. Let her know that you respect and value her service and skills as a stylists but you are disappointed with how she handles appointments. Let her know that you are respectful of her time but feel that at times it's not reciprocated. There might be something going on with her or the business that you aren't privy to. Regardless, you should always be honest and direct with your service provider when you are not happy otherwise your relationship will continue to fall apart. If she values your patronage, she will make an effort to accommodate your concerns. If not, it may be time to find someone else that will.
I completely agree with AHG. Part of the service for me is respecting my time and appointments. You can be a great stylist but poor organization and lack of professionalism quickly gets old. Communicate it with your stylist and see if that makes a difference. If it doesn’t improve, I would start shopping around and find someone else.
Hair goes through changes over time so each individual has to learn what their own hair and scalp needs not based on what "strangers" say-John 10:5. Thanks for sharing,Mrs Jenn 😊 🙏🏽💐💜🎉
You don't think your stylist also contributed to your hair showing signs of dryness? She shampooed your hair twice with a midly clarifying shampoo, no leave in conditioner, then put gels and foams on your hair before placing you under a hooded dryer and then diffusing after that.
With all the drama w Innersense, I will never use their products. Can’t wait until we move past this brand. Curl smith, Redken and Pattern are so much better for our hair
@@JennJackson I had a client that I think was experiencing hair loss from their shampoos and/or gels. Someone just confirmed my theory on here saying she experienced changes in her hair and some excessive shedding as well. Just pay attention to your hair. Too many people are experiencing issues for it to just be allergy related in my opinion.
I love Pattern products. Use the moisturizing shampoo, conditioner, leave in, detangler and blow dryer. I skip the styling products and go to regular old Cantu curl activator crème or Aphogee Curlific. Also use that amazing Cecred moisturizing styling lotion. My hair has never been so soft, juicy and shiny as when I began this routine so I just stay out the rest of that mess. I tried gels and mousses on my fine 4C hair and it was just too much product for definition that really only pops hard for a day. I’m fine with a less-defined Afro long as it looks Lucious and hydrated and feels good to the touch. If I really need to mousse it up for a twist out, The Doux Crazy Sexy Curl is my go to, but my scalp will be itching b/c she don’t like nobody!
If you don’t straighten your hair you don’t need an even haircut. If you don’t straighten your hair you can use oils, butters etc. taking our hair from what’s natural is the problem.
Yes I agree, I noticed alot of ppl complaining about curly cuts coz they want to wear their hair straight sometimes. Then obviously that method is not for them.
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I’m always on edge and disappointed when I go to a natural stylist and I’m 4c/4b hair. I’m never satisfied with the wash and they cause breakage during detangle do to laziness. Of course I kept quiet because awkward to speak up type situation BUT I was uncomfortable and mad
Yeap I refuse to go to them. I tried sooo many. Never again.
Ever since I went natural 4 years ago, I've never let anyone wash my hair lol, I take my time detangling it. I'm not gonna let anyone ruin my crown
@@gee7846please stick to this. Don't make the mistake I made. They pulled my hair from the roots, next thing you know bald spots. I had dense hair prior. You couldn't see my scalp but now am regrowing my hair. Never again. They don't have the patience and some of the damage is permanent unfortunately.
Question… do most of you use a hair dryer/ diffuser following your wash and go style? Or do you let your hair air dry?
@@gee7846…Good for you!! After going natural I did my own hair then I was convinced that I needed a trim… went to a stylist that I researched from the web🫢… I looked worse after the appointment than I did before … now, I’m my own stylist!! I even trim my ends … I really enjoy the process and that was a major part of me going natural…as African American women … we all have “good hair “ we need to embrace our glory💕 I Do‼️
I’m so blessed to have a natural hairstylist that truly cares for and knows how to take care of my natural hair. My 1st trim with her was 2 months ago on blown out hair and she went into my hair and trimmed my hair and my ends are thick and healthy. My full service of cleansing, dc, and braids with no added hair. I send her styles from AHG and she is able to do the styles with grease, no jam for parting and my hair is thriving. All for a wonderful price of $65. She’s also the co-owner!!!
Tfs Jenn~ Love from TX💜
Omg girl where in Texas?? Is it DFW?
Wow so glad you found this gem!
Oh wowww that’s awesome! Do you mind sharing what part of Texas?
I need to know where this place is bc down south the prices for natural hair is so much!
Well this is a lie
Your hair has gotten so long! I love it! 😍
I will say this. The fact that the no oils and butters method continues to be marketed and pushed to women with textured hair after so many heads of have been ruined is very telling! It’s not as simple as giggling and shrugging your shoulders and saying you were wrong in your stories after countless big chops have taken place due to the method!
And my issue with curly cuts is exactly what you said. They seem to be mostly for shape. I just watched a curl specialist cut a ton of her clients hair off because the ends were super thinned out from getting curly cuts. So not only do I think they don’t address all the split ends I also believe they thin the hair out over time.
How these methods are still being used and promoted as healthy is crazy to me.
Also thank you for the shoutout Jenn. 💖
Lastly, I’d say use discernment with whatever haircare routine you decide to follow because picking the wrong one can have real negative implications‼️💯
Thank you for watching Shelly and thanks for your input!
@@shelly.v.247 actually sorry one more question lol: I think your hair started to change colors. Was it in the summer or just dryness? I think it’s back to being black now right?
@@JennJacksonI’ve been wondering the same thing about her hair changing colors.
I like the final result. I typically don’t subscribe to hair trends but I definitely treat myself to professional washing and conditioning. I haven’t found one that styles my hair the way I like.
When I used to get perms, my hair was always 1b/2. When I stopped getting them and my hair grew out, it immediately went back to black. Like jet black.❤
That's interesting
Same! The chemicals and the sun were lightening my hair.
Same! Except mine went from a lighter brown to what seems black but I'm sure it's a darker brown lol.
Your hair looks absolutely amazing! Thanks for the detail and attention to helping us with this confusion. We will get there!!!
I like how you asked to see the hair hall 🤣 I remember I went back to my stylist and she said she would trim my hair a little and I didn’t think nothing of it but she was so kind to let me know and show me how much she trimmed before I left the seat.
No I need to see what you are doing at EVERY STEP! lol
Have you ever thought about using heat protectants during the summer? The sun does bleach the hair. It turns black hair to brown. My stylist use to tell me if I wanted to keep my hair protected from sun bleaching, use some heat protectant on my hair. It does work. Even with braids and twists I still put a little on my hair.
This is where I think we should draw the line with some stylist. We just don't need that many products, sorry. We have hair this curly, SPECIFICALLY to deal with the sun. It's literally curly for that specific reason. Million of people with 4C hair go about their day, growing inches, under the brightest sun. There are tons of toxic chemicals in the majority of hair products. This probably outweighs any tiny benefits we might get from this practice. Just my 2cents.
Yeah idk.. I feel I have lived on this earth for 34 years and never had this happen from the sun but... maybe there is some validity to it.
Had locs for many years. The bottom of my hair turned BROWN! definitely from age/the sun. Sun causes our hair to turn colors just as it does for others ( that’s also where the term beach blonde comes from- people would get natural highlights from the sun damage)
@@JennJackson this is like “black people don’t need sunscreen” lite lol. Jokes aside, change occurs over time. That time frame can be shorter or longer. I’m sure you’ve tried things that worked for you (not just related to hair) one second and failed you the next, seemingly out of the blue.
Your hair has really grown. Looks beautiful
Thank you 😊
I stopped using oils and butters since Feb and I actually noticed my hair being blacker than usual. My hair has always been a medium brown color and may vary based on dryness but I was a compulsive “protective styler” who also worked out and before that permed and I always correlated that hair color to dryness. But now omg my hair is so black and I think it’s because hitting my hair with moisture consistently on a weekly basis, and not coating it with shea butter snd castor oil has really helped my curls retain more moisture. Crazy but regardless what styling method you choose, it will come with its risks of damage it just depends on what your individual style goals are.
It is summer, and we are in the sun and heat more. The hair is changing colors, because of the UVA and UVB rays. If the products in the salon, and at home don't provide protection, the hair will change color, due it being older and higher in porosity. It's not the method, it's literally what all hair does naturally! You also are still recovering from postpartum, and getting ready to have another! Trust it is your body adjusting. My mom is experienced the same after having me and my 4 siblings, and now again in her 50s and she has locs! There are some oils and butters that help, but the PH must be balanced! That way the strand receive what it needs, and it can be washed away properly when you decide to wash!
Yes, being under the sun can slightly lighten the hair, particularly the ends. But so too can chronic dehydration and damage, even more significantly actually . When i was permed (chemically damaged) my hair was 1b/2, and nearly orange and the ends. Same thing happened doing the method, in addition to my hair feeling coarser. My hair is fine and naturally jet black.
@@ChiannaNycole I'm trying to find the no in your statement. Chronic dehydration can be from multiple different factors. Most people forget that the minerals that are used to treat water for home use, can build up on our hair as well. Highly textured hair is always susceptible to damage. It is something that we can't control. A split end can be the result of multiple things. I think the more we remember that the main hair that's at the scalp, is more important than anything. It is connected to the blood vessels that feed it naturally.
I was going to answer but noticed your user name. You claim you don't have the time, yet come and defend this method under EVERY video I post. If it works for you, great. But consider that this may not work for EVERYONE - and that's okay too.
@@JennJackson hey my love! My comment this time, wasn't centered around the method. It was simply to shed light on what naturally happens, whether you do the method or not! Which is why I mentioned my mom, and her experiencing the same thing as you, and she's team butters and oils all day! I never mean to be disrespectful to you, especially as someone who's helped me with my hair in a couple of ways!
However, I do take accountability for certain comments that weren't clear, and came off very rudely! So to that, I apologize! I really do push to have the full spectrum of things to be discussed, and I genuinely don't mean to make anyone uncomfortable, about my views!
@@JennJackson hmm... You too. So its not just me 🍵 😶🌫️
Absolutely fabulous!!! Love your hair texture so much and it's growing so well! And love seeing all us natural hair girlies showing up on each other's pages! So fun!
I think both sides can be extreme. You don't necessarily need extra oils and butters to combat dryness (because products you use have them formulated into them) if you wash your hair often enough
aaand you also don't need to strickly avoid them in products if you clarify when you need to.
Ultimately, the simple key is moisture. Not topical spritzes or creams that you apply every other day but deep internal moisture that can only be applied through shampooing and conditioning often.
I think what I've learned from being very die hard no oils or butters and now having done a 180 is that some stylists, especially some online, will try to push their ideas on haircare onto you rather than trying to improve your routine according to your goals. They try to create THE method rather than giving you your method. Which makes sense, because you can't give everyone who follows you on insta a personal hair care regime. There's a lot of useful stuff I learned from the no oils and butters thing, like that you can mess up your hair if you don't cleanse it properly, but i think I'm going to take that information and move into a different direction
I haven't stepped foot in a salon in ages, but if I were to go, I'd love all my questions answered just like that. Also, I don't remember the last time I used oils. A butter here and there, but my hair thrives best without them.
Once or twice a year I trim my hair while straightened or blowdryed, so I can see the ends better. I shape my hair a few (one to three times) for shape and I do that on my coily hair. Sometimes the shapinng trim happens after I revert my hair after a straight trim (the next time i was my hair). It seems to be the best way to manage my hair as I have all three 4s on my head and they coil differently.
Your hair grows so fast, I absolutely love your videos and seeing your hair journey. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
The key to this conversation is communication and finding someone with the skill set you need for your hair. One thing that is important for me is the fact that my stylist specializes in cuts. We need to know what I need from the person we are paying.
Agreed
Great video Jenn J! 🥰💙.. I agree if you cannot communicate with your stylist it’s definitely time to move around! Thank you! 💙
There was a give and take for me with the bcg method. I stopped using raw oils and butters, but i get blown out cuts, i use leave ins with my gels, i deep condition every wash day and i use heat protectants every time i diffuse. Continue to monitor your hair cuz the damage is progressive, not immediate.
I agree with the damage being progressing and it creeps up at an even slower past if you continue to incorporate butters (formulated). At least that's been my case
@JennJackson butters were never my thing, but i was an avid olive oil user. I will say since taking out the olive oil my wash and go's have been better. I'm going to see if I retain length or if I should just bring it back. Leave ins are for sure a must tho
@@katirisherman9169 just keep paying attention and adjust as needed! I am sure you will be fine
I am 51 years old. I finally understood my hair texture was different after the first time I went natural. I felt ignored and people felt over exaggerated my hair texture until they went they took me to the shampoo bowl 😅. Water based hydration and protein education is needed. Plain old products used for JeriCurls help tremendously. Coconut oil is the devil for my hair.
I missed the beef I started the BGC since Feb/March and I’m so thankful for it. My hair has never been more manageable, curly and easy to mange. I’ve never in my life saw my hair be so easy naturally. They debunked a lot of misconceptions I had about my coily “type 4” hair but at the end of the day follow the method that bests suits whatever style you want to achieve based on your individual hair goals. I want to wear my hair curly and I want something easy to maintain since I workout. So I mean I understand some folks had some issues but it’s still marketed because a lot of us also haven’t had issues but I think many factors may play into that. Who knows but I’m thankful. And I’m sorry for those who have had issues, wish we could really sit and figure it out but also glad their information is available for those of us who want to wear our hair curly.
Glad it is working for you but just a word of caution - pay attention to your hair overtime because we all started out feeling exactly that way. I loved my results for the first year, the second wasn't as great but okay (then again I did have a baby) and then now it feels like my hair isn't retaining much hydration well which is why I am reverting back.
I honestly feel the only people that should talk about hair care and methods should be cosmetic chemists and trichologists. It never made sense to me to remove oils. Great video Jenn!
Curly chemistry and Karen of Curl House channels 🎉
Pamela Ferrell interview on Curly Hair Crisis channel
I honestly think that all 3 disciplines need to work together in tandem for a holistic and comprehensive approach to haircare. Methods will never be the answer because one method will never work for everyone or every situation.
The issue that I come across is that the cosmetologists are very experienced with handling and styling hair, as well as, observing client hair experiences over a extended period of time. but they lack the full scope of knowledge of products and how they affect hair and scalp on a deeper level.
Cosmetic chemists are very well versed in the knowledge of products, particularly ingredients and their contribution or detriment to the health or condition of hair. The issue is that they are hung up and stuck on book knowledge. The problem with book knowledge is that it's a limited understanding of our hair. It teaches hair from the lens of our hair being less than or interior as opposed to being different. Cosmetic chemists are also lacking in that they don't work closely with various hair textures regularly. They aren't able to fully bridge the gap between the efficacy of products and the experience of the consumers the way stylists would. The science regarding our hair is still lacking in full understanding because they have only on recent years taken more of an interest in studying our hair. Remember that there are still cosmetic chemists that formulate products like relaxers and formaldehyde chemical straighteners. The products work exceptionally well but at the detriment of the consumers overall experience of health.
With trichologists, they are more specialized to better understand hair and scalp disorders. They see how certain products or ingredients can contribute to issues with hair and scalp but again they tend to be rigid with the book knowledge as their sole understanding of our hair. Science still can't explain or cure many of the issues that we experience like CCCA.
With black hair, we have always had a more intimate understanding because we have lived and experienced it before science could tell us anything about it. All disciplines have pieces to the puzzle that is figuring out the unexplained with our hair. But we need to pool our experiences and respective specialties of knowledge to answer these types of questions.
Love this answer because the science doesn't always include US. I had a chat with a cosmetic chemist who confirmed up to 10 years ago (at least), they were not testing ingredients/products on REAL afro hair (they would use the mannequin)
@@AfrikanHairGod Well said.
Gorgeous results! Very informative!
Curly cuts on your hair type is not good....if you blowdry your hair you will see how bad it is..the cut creates choppyness in your hair ,and can cause tangled hair...the result is going to be longer but thin ends .You need to blow out your hair then trim then do the styling,reset and use gel for more definition (Doux) works amazing.
I’ve been to 3 natural hairstylists….. I’m just not satisfied at how they cut my hair! It always turns out uneven! The last time I got a big chop back in 2019, it grew out so pretty! I was taking care of it myself, wearing protective styles because covid happened! Soon as i went back to a stylist, my hair got pHucced… and went to 3 different ones…. SIGH…. I wish I could cut my hair myself….
Same!
hi. friendly suggestion here. have you ever thought about going to a barber?
@@jhssmith2004 yes! I have a friend that’s a barber. However, i don’t want anyone cutting my hair and I get disappointed.
@@jhssmith2004They give even shaping. I remember getting the perfectly rounded afro, stipulting ot to cut no more than 1/4" and they listened!!!
I would love to have a salon visit but too many negative experiences in the past and I’m growing my hair out very well so it’s a NO FOR ME, it’s too much work to have a stylist destroy in less than an hour. I always use oils, butters aloe Vera water, aloe gel from a family that has a farm and sells the gel on Amazon these products are giving me success with my hair retention. Your final salon outcome style looks great
Will you share that aloe brand?
Girl when you said a lot of holes, it made me immediately think that the issue with the method is that the method is full of holes, baby crowns, and mullets XD
😂 how many times I heard those words in this method
LOL stoppppp
I’m would love to see a stylist - but for years can’t seem to find one who can manage my high density hair with common sense. Like wash my hair in sections for goodness sake don’t let it dry out without a leave in or something …
My goodness your hair has grown so fast! I was like, wait i thought sis just had a big chop not too long ago? Love the shape too.
Having used leave ins throughout my dabbling with bgc, I’m convinced it’s the overly harsh shampooing, rewetting base gels (hygral fatigue) and lack of a sealant (be it leave in, oil whatever you prefer) that jacked up people’s hair. This also explains why Brittany Mia’s hair started splitting despite her leave in use. Our hair has always been prone to dryness because our curl shape prevents sebum from lubricating our strands, this method made that fact worse by stripping the hair and not replacing the loss of sealant/oil. Those gels that rewet with humidity destroyed my scalp health. Since big chopping i’ve gone back to clays, no longer use ‘base’ hydrating gels that swell the cuticle constantly and keep my scalp moist and itchy. Hair has never felt softer and i’m still a wash and go every week girl.
Oh that's interesting that you are still doing wash and go with different products and doing better. Glad you found a solution. I feel the same way where this method CAN work but needs to be modified depending on your hair needs but I feel since it was sold as one-for-all thing, its hard to admit this and make improvements
Did you like the end results after your styling? Do you feel like re-introducing oils and butters contributed to less definition? It seems like it soaked up water well at the sink but then once dry it didn't seem like it. BUT, you do your hair all the time, so how did you feel about the results?
I did but my issue is that it doesn't last. These wash and goes would last 4-5 days before feeling like I need to hydrate and now it get dry by day 2 so my hair hasn't been retaining moisture well over time (its been three years of me doing this method by the way).. This is the main issue I have noticed over time and I appreciate you asking first because people to tussle with me when they have never touched my hair lol
Your hair looks amazing, I think I’m gonna get inner sense now, I’m sold
ah... I would proceed with caution ⛔️. They can be pretty drying and have a learning curve 🫣
@@JennJackson I think that when you use gels you have to break the gel cast using the oil, do you think thats whey they are drying?
Ooh no.. you missed the memo? Innersense hairbath is making some people’s hair fall out. Read reviews.
@ayemad maybe it has a little lye in it?
I would always set expectations but the problem has been stylists like to say "yes I can do that, trust me...". Then I'd walk out a hot mess, and upset I wasted my money on a someone who assumed their talents were up to par. If a stylists cannot do what's requested or make happen what the client is seeking, all I ask is be honest and say you cannot do it. My hair has no time to be f*d up due to another's pride and inability to admit they don't know what the hell they are doing.
Good talk. Hair looks good
did she use any leave-in conditioner on your hair?
I was wondering the same. She shampooed her hair twice with a mild clarifying shampoo, didn't deep condition, and then slapped on gels and foams all before placing her under a hooded dryer and then diffusing.
Is it any wonder people's hair is dry and breakin off? I can't believe people actually paid money for this.
No she did not
I am always struggling with my hair because it’s fine and cottony. So it breaks easily but also can be very dry .
I don’t really use oil in my hair anymore but I think I just kinda started skipping steps in my hair routine in general now that I have kids. However, I will say that when I started my natural hair journey over 7 years ago. I did all the steps the hair “gurus” recommended including oils and butter and my hair flourished. I got to near mid back length. I never applied oil or any products other than shampoo to my scalp though because I didn’t want to clog my pores.
Very nice thank you ❤
Thank you for watching!
What’s up Jenn J fam?!🎉
I have never had my hair trimmed in it’s natural kinky state. I go to the salon for a color and trim every 3 months. It’s trimmed after it’s flat ironed…..I don’t understand how you can see the actual ends of your hair in its coily state.
Well what if one doesn't want to flat iron their hair? The argument from the stylists is that... they allegedly can although it's been proven otherwise. idk
I NEVER wear my hair in its natural state so that’s why I told my stylist to trim it accordingly. We decided on an annual flat iron to properly trim. In between it is what it is.
@@JessicaSmith-ie7cm out of curiosity, why don’t you “ever” wear your hair in its natural state?
Loved the results ❤ I don't trust people with my hair
I used to be the same way as well
I appreciate that you were on screen with no filter and no makeup. Thats truly being natural. Not just natutal hair and make up on your face
So which one is the root cause, no oil/butter or curly cuts?? I have added back leave in conditioner to my WNG routine but still curly cutting at the salon. I just feel we shouldn’t have to alter the state of our hair to get it cut/trimmed!
Well I don't think there is just ONE cause. Curly Cuts will eventually just leave you with uneven ends (and some thinning as many as mentioned from their experiences) but that may not bother you if you always wear your hair curly. No oils/Butters is more of a matter of hydration and compromised cuticles (split ends/dryness/change in color) etc. The real questions you should be asking yourself is are you happy with the state of your hair? Is it retaining moisture? is it behaving the way that you expect it to? Are you happy with your routine? Part of the reason many are "successful" with this method *I believe* is because it gives them a streamline predictable routine and less to do with the actual health of their strands.
Hi, if it's a privacy issue I understand not responding, but where is this stylist located?
hi, Jenn.
did you ever get your answer on what it means when your hair is changing colors like you mentioned at the end of this video?
Some said it’s the sun but others said it’s just plain dryness. So I am not sure the root cause but what I do know is I used a few butters on my last wash day and my hair looks marginally darker 🤷🏾♀️. I don’t think the issue is fixed though, more masked.
Q: will you be getting your hair blown out straight to check the condition of your hair? 💜
I did last October and had a "light" blowout just a week before this. I may another just to the culture one last time before I move on from this method for good lol (not a huge fan of heat)
I have not heard of that brand Earthtones. How do you like the moisturizing shampoo and the topper gel? I still prefer not to use a leave-in with my washn’go but have been trying to find a replacement for UFD, that I like.
It's a base gel - not a topper. Love the moisturizing shampoo. The products were developed by at naturopathic doctor and certified Trichologist so I find that they are "richer" than most of the other promoted brands. The gelly is aloe based and typically keeps my hair hydrated (better than UFD) although this time it didn't but I think the topper gels has more to do with that.
@@JennJacksonThank u and I did mean base gel 😊 I just tried both products and I love it. Oh, it was probably that I create definition topper affecting the softness. That foam will make your hair hard as a brick 🥴
No oils, butters or leave was about getting those topper gels to work and not hair health. They will usually flake when you mix them with certain products. I don’t believe that they knew that following this method would destroy peoples hair, but it was never meant to make anyone’s hair healthy. It was too. It was meant to make these gels be able to define and hold the hair without flaking up.
Does cutting hair after styling disrupt the style?
No leave in?
I wholeheartedly listened to Rosie and Shelly’s experiences. I want no parts of the bgc/cut it kinky method. If I ever make it back to a salon, I’m walking out if it’s wall to wall Innersense, uncle funkys and base gels 😂 I’m sorry but that’s just how I feel. Give me the opposite of everything they taught or advocated for. The damage they created is unprecedented.
I used to go to the older lady that was my so called stylist…. The only reason I went to her cuz she gave me the big chop and the only person that could trim my hair right. My hair was very healthy BUT she made it known twice that she couldn’t style my hair. One her daughters had my texture hair 4c and she didn’t even like doing her hair. When I say she price gouged me you would’ve thought I left her hair fried died laid to the side but not just a blow dried even fro. What I settled for and would go home to style my hair after spending $$$ . I can’t even say the amount I was so ashamed. But since 2020 I have found a hairstylist that is for me all the way around an takes pride in what she does
Anonymity allows me to be open💀
I'm a guy. And i have serious 4C coily hair. Like i could grow it out for months but it'll grow for sure but somehow look the same but i want it to pop out like an afro but I'm scared about using hair relaxers and straightening chemicals. Any help will be greatly appreciated
Not the Karamo Show reference 🤣
😅😅😅
Jen, what would you do if you found a stylist that is really talented, attentive, responsive and has a genuine good heart BUT is repeatedly not reliable with communication and keeping appointments? I feel conflicted because she's a sweet person but I'm tired of constantly being disappointed. (I never show I'm disappointed either, I'm always nice but she will cause to lose money with some of her last minute cancelations) not to mention I was standing in 97F weather for over 20min cuz she flaked again 😭
I say be direct and communicate with your stylist. Let her know that you respect and value her service and skills as a stylists but you are disappointed with how she handles appointments. Let her know that you are respectful of her time but feel that at times it's not reciprocated.
There might be something going on with her or the business that you aren't privy to. Regardless, you should always be honest and direct with your service provider when you are not happy otherwise your relationship will continue to fall apart. If she values your patronage, she will make an effort to accommodate your concerns. If not, it may be time to find someone else that will.
I completely agree with AHG. Part of the service for me is respecting my time and appointments. You can be a great stylist but poor organization and lack of professionalism quickly gets old. Communicate it with your stylist and see if that makes a difference. If it doesn’t improve, I would start shopping around and find someone else.
Self care!💕👍🏾
Always!
Hair goes through changes over time so each individual has to learn what their own hair and scalp needs not based on what "strangers" say-John 10:5.
Thanks for sharing,Mrs Jenn 😊
🙏🏽💐💜🎉
Thanks for sharing
Jenn, are you West Indian? Haitian? 👀
I am Haitian - good guess!
Where is your wonderful stylist?
Curly hair designs in Ottawa
just drying gell
You don't think your stylist also contributed to your hair showing signs of dryness? She shampooed your hair twice with a midly clarifying shampoo, no leave in conditioner, then put gels and foams on your hair before placing you under a hooded dryer and then diffusing after that.
Well that is the basis of this method. Wash, condition and style (no leave-ins necessary). So I wouldn't say it's "her" but the method itself.
@@JennJacksoninteresting. I won’t allow not using a leave in. I know my hair, it thrives and remains much softer when leave in are applied.
@@JennJackson Understood. Thank you for your response.
@@0909Yellowsame, my hair would be completely unmanageable without at least a bit of leave-in after washing my hair
Man, I just want someone to wash my hair for me.
Lmaoo that’s not true. Color change is definitely from sun exposure 😂😂
With all the drama w Innersense, I will never use their products. Can’t wait until we move past this brand. Curl smith, Redken and Pattern are so much better for our hair
Yeah the drama just keeps on coming! Someone told me that I create Definition is super drying and I didn't even know that smh
@@JennJackson I had a client that I think was experiencing hair loss from their shampoos and/or gels. Someone just confirmed my theory on here saying she experienced changes in her hair and some excessive shedding as well. Just pay attention to your hair. Too many people are experiencing issues for it to just be allergy related in my opinion.
I love Pattern products. Use the moisturizing shampoo, conditioner, leave in, detangler and blow dryer. I skip the styling products and go to regular old Cantu curl activator crème or Aphogee Curlific. Also use that amazing Cecred moisturizing styling lotion. My hair has never been so soft, juicy and shiny as when I began this routine so I just stay out the rest of that mess. I tried gels and mousses on my fine 4C hair and it was just too much product for definition that really only pops hard for a day. I’m fine with a less-defined Afro long as it looks Lucious and hydrated and feels good to the touch. If I really need to mousse it up for a twist out, The Doux Crazy Sexy Curl is my go to, but my scalp will be itching b/c she don’t like nobody!
@@brighteyed17The Doux is awesome as well! I also love Camille Rose!
Video would be much better without the constant writing on the screen to follow your conversation. Very distracting sorry. Enjoy everyone.
If you don’t straighten your hair you don’t need an even haircut. If you don’t straighten your hair you can use oils, butters etc. taking our hair from what’s natural is the problem.
Yes I agree, I noticed alot of ppl complaining about curly cuts coz they want to wear their hair straight sometimes. Then obviously that method is not for them.
Your hair looks more 4a than 4c
I create definition is a terrible product. Definitely creates dryness
Tell me more... It was my first time experiencing it and yes my hair was indeed dry lol
@@JennJackson No matter what I use under it, the result is dry. Nothing can make that product work. It is trash!
@@JennJacksonit cannot be used alone it’s too drying. I used it with a leave in under it and mousse def . Even my stylist said that!