I accepted Jesus as my personal lord and savior at 12. so i always knew about HIm and his work on the cross and why he died for humans. as i grew up i fell short of God and really turned my back on HIM. though i would pray here and there. I was weak and living in my sins. i even at one point denied being a Christian. I got into new age beliefs instead even though i knew the truth. i was in a very dark place because i had left a 12 year abusive relationship. I was broken and lost and in need of a savior. Once i begin to want to come back to Jesus i started getting attack by demons and then one final night i cryed out to Jesus repented and accepted back as my Lord and Savior and gave me a new heart and the Holy Spirit. I know without a doubt i was sealed at 12 but i had to go through such dark times to find my way back to HIM. looking back i grieved the Holy Spirit. I finally feel at peace with my past and where i am headed in life because i know i am no longer alone or dead in my spirit.
Please don't take this as an interrogating question, just curious. Do you think that you would have gone to Heaven if you were to have died while rejecting God? Or were you sealed as in He will win you back?
@@elijahpales3953 Yes because i was sealed with the Holy Spirit but again i fell short for many years mainly because i spent 12 years in a horrible toxic relationship in which i loved a man more than the man whom saved me and the left me broken lost and confused after it ended and i was traumatized and i just had no motivation in me to ask Jesus back into my life. but for some reason i was praying through spirit to Him. what was wrong is i was into tarot cards for quick answers and because i was dappling in that paganism i felt it was wrong to call myself a Christian because God does not like that stuff and i was letting my flesh lead me in life rather than my spirit even though my spirit was desperate for Jesus and deep in my heart and spirit i knew the truth and my mother had been praying for me to find my way back to Jesus she is the one who raised me to know the truth of Him. I believe if you truly believe in the gospel and the finished work of Jesus on the cross than you are saved and sealed. You belong to Him despite what you might do in your life with living in sin and being bound to them or overcoming them and a changed lifestyle. my life is now filled with joy and praise for Jesus and i am reading Gods word everyday. all i think about is Jesus now.
@kittydawn Our stories are pretty close. I answered the alter call at 10 but for the following years I got worse and worse throughout my teens and finally at 21, I’d had enough, I knew to Whom it was I belonged. When I repented and was re-Baptized there was a profound change in my thinking. As I’ve said before, this change in thinking wasn’t my own intellect, it was a new Presence altogether. The Holy Spirit. Looking back, I remember doing things in my teens that left me hating myself, even though these things didn’t bother my friends or others a lick. Even when no one knew, the circumstances would remain hidden and no one really thought the actions wrong, I was convicted with self loathing. I remember one day thinking I just need to get away and as I thought of places to go I realized, I wanted to get away from myself.... away from the conviction. Was I actually sealed at 10? I don’t know. I do know that God has always had a hand in my life. There’s simply no other explanation. I would admonish everyone to read Romans as many times as it takes to understand it. If you are saved, sinning should not provide anything but misery to you. That’s the best touchstone I can think of to be assured of salvation, that and the constant call to repent. Lastly, if you’ve not run across him on YT yet, look up Dr. David Barnett, his ministry is DTBM. He’s an amazing, rock solid BIBLE TEACHER/SCHOLAR. NOTHING BUT GOD’S WORD. Traditions can be stumbling blocks. The only TRUTH in this WORLD comes from God’s Word and Dr. Barnett teaches it unvarnished as it should be taught. God Bless and look up, I don’t know about all of you, but it sure feels like the beginning of the end.
If we can't save ourselves (and we can't) how can we possibly keep ourselves saved? If we were born again, how can we get unborn? If we're sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, how do we break that seal? Salvation is not a work of us, it's the grace of God. If someone has known the love of God and experienced the touch of Jesus Christ, how can we then go into unbelief? Once you've been given eyes to see, you can't be blind again not knowing what it is to see. The true born again believer will never deny God, even if it means our death. We'll never leave our Lord and shepherd. We'll never want to either. Anyone who says they used to be a Christian and isn't anymore was never a Christian. They maybe went to church, sang the songs, read the Bible or even served but their faith was not real and it wasn't in Christ. They were never born again. They were religious at best. So they left nothing because they had nothing. All God's people will overcome and endure till the end. We'll forsake everything in this world if need be but we'll never forsake our great God and Savior. There's no going back to the world (why would we want to?) and the true Christian couldn't be dragged away from Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
@Le Naker I talk to people like you everyday. It's my pleasure. Jesus identified Judas even before the betrayal though. He said, "one of you is a devil" and "one of you will betray me". Judas acted in his own accord but God used that also to bring about His will. Jesus summed up the commandments in the 2. Love God most and others as yourself. They all fall under one of those 2. He said He didn't come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. Glad I could help. 👍🏻
Please, please help me. I am so afraid. I have wilfully sinned over a great number of years, clearly knowing that what I was doing was so very wrong. I gave my my heart to the Lord many years ago and served and loved Him for many years. I know the things i have done have been so wrong and how it has offended the Lord. I am trying to return to the Lord by asking for forgiveness seeking His presence. I have began reading His Word again but I do not know if the Holy Spirit is in my life. or that God can ever accept me in my willfulness. Please pray for me that I might know once again the presence of God in my life. I am so frightened and know that my time of meeting the Lord is very near.
Please see the videos in the *_"Be Set Free From Sin"_* section on my channel for help. Take some time to understand well the way you need to approach God. Your obedience to God out of love for God (John 14:15) is the key to your deliverance from any sin that you are bound in (Hebrews 5:9). Peace to you!
Terence, you must know that feelings of terror, hopelessness, and futility are not of the Lord but of the evil one. Any sins you have committed are in the past now; what you must do is focus on the present. "Php_3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." So long as you live, you have God's grace and a brilliant window of opportunity to return to the Lord for He is rich in mercy and faithful to help you overcome sin. His good news (gospel) is not a reason to despair but to rejoice in His mercy and kindness. To return to the Lord, you must have heartfelt genuine sorrow over your sin(s) towards a Holy God. "Psa_51:17 a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.". That would be your first step in the right direction and a cue that you are earnestly willing to draw near to God. You have done well in starting praying and reading the scriptures for that is how you start knowing God. A believer's walk with God is a journey rife with ups and downs. If we abide in Him whatever life throws our way, we emerge triumphant in Him in the end for He is faithful and will never leave us nor forsake us (Heb. 13:5). One way you can know if the Holy Spirit is working your life is if you find yourself resisting temptations to sin, to which you had earlier so easily succumbed. The more you pray and study the scriptures, the stronger your relationship with God and the stronger the armour God weaves around you is. "Eph_6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." "Jas_4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you". Remember, do not despair but have hope. "Php_4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God."
@@katherinepeterson-roberts Hello Katherine. Firstly, I sincerely apologise for the delay with replying to your text. I have been way for a while with little access to the internet. Thank you so much for your kindness with taking the time to text me with your most encouraging and helpful words. The verses you sent have helped me immensely and I have looked up every one of them and have tried to apply them to my life. I am continuing to read the scriptures each day and in my prayers I daily turn my life over to Him asking the lord for the strength and power to repent from all that is wrong. and to give me understanding of His word. In my prayers I always ask that i might have a spirit of repentance and to endeavour to be obedient to all He shows me. I am standing firm against the sins that have so easily entangled me in the past and though I have failed on occasions I have asked forgiveness and continue to repent from them. I am praying that the lord will lead me to a place of worship, i'm a little nervous as I have not attended a church for very many years. I am still struggling with bitterness and anger with things that happened so long ago which I know is detriment to my relationship with Jesus. I have been clearly shown that I must remove the great beam that is in my own eye and the importance of forgiveness. Please continue to pray for me as I am still very conscious of my sins and have no other christian I can ask. Thank you once again for your kindness. Terence
It's clearly in the context. Hebrews is about the Old Testament sacrifices. If they go back to those goat and bull sacrifices. Christ's sacrifice was once and for all sins to those who believe on Him. What keeps us believers in the family of God is through the power of God. Human power can't overwhelm the power of God. 2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. We are sealed and kept until the day of redemption. There is nothing we can do to lose salvation once we believe on Christ alone who died for our sins, buried, and rose from the dead. Think about the thief on the cross, the very moment he believed on Christ, he was saved instantly. How did you miss that? 1 Peter 1 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
When I was still wondering why a god would be so mean as to create a realm of suffering of all creatures, it was then that I preferred to change my belief to the idea that no god ever existed TO BE MEAN! It took me 70 years of my life to come to that system of belief. Because you want to believe that you are special, you might never come to my present way of believing, and that is your choice.
By grace are you saved through faith and not of yourselves it is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast. Believing that you can help God save you by being good enough is by works or your behavior. Man's righteousness is like filthy rags as God says. He who has Christ has life. Grace through faith in Christ and what He did for us on the cross is what saves us. We were never good enough to be saved in the first place and never will be. God's grace is sufficient because He gives us what we don't deserve, eternal life. If you have accepted Christ as your savior you are saved. If you could loose your salvation by sinning, which we all do, nobody would go to heaven. We all struggle with sin because it is the nature of the flesh to war against the spirit. It is a spiritual war of good against evil, but if your saved you will fight against doing evil. Feed your spirit and you will win most of your battles. God bless
Holiness without which no man shall see the Lord. Your doctrine is false. He who endures till the end shall be saved. Many will depart from the faith in the latter days.
You are saved by the grace of God through faith, from sin(the violation of the law, and death (the penalty for sin). No one can stop sinning completely, but they can stop sinning wilfully (repentance).
Yes, that initial gift of salvation is by faith, but please continue to verse 10 "for we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them".
@@GregorasProject it's always funny seeing these two types of people, one side wanting to work their way into heaven, while the other side wants to do nothing at all, but still go to heaven, If I'm remembering correctly Jesus must have made a parable about this
The question that needs to be answered first is: What is a covenant? Very simply, a covenant is an agreement that either party can break. The scriptures that appear to "guarantee" our salvation are really only God's promise not to break His side of the covenant with us. Scriptures such as Heb 10:26-31 are God's warning to us not break our side of the covenant with Him. Let me ask another question: Can you go to Heaven if your sins are not forgiven? God warns us again in Matthew 6:15 that our sins will not be forgiven if we refuse to forgive others. How about Gal 5:19-21? We are warned that we will not inherit the Kingdom of God if we live in "the flesh" (adultery, fornication, hatred, etc.). What about Matthew 5:22 where Jesus warns that you are in danger of the "fire of hell" for calling your brother a fool. Is He just bluffing? Having said all that, I believe that God is a loving, forgiving, merciful God who is patient with us and helps us get back up when we fall. I believe that God will forgive anyone who comes to Him with a sincere, repentant heart. But, He says to fear Him (Matthew 10:28)...and for a good (loving) reason...fear of the Lord keeps us from sin (Prov 16:6).
@@LEUNN_ - Only those who love their sin more than they love God have proved they "can't and won't" fulfill their side of the covenant. "I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." (Jude 1:4)
@@LEUNN_ - Your statements are contradictory. You are the one who said that "we have proved that we can't and won't fulfill our side of the covenant". Then you said that those are the one's who were never saved. So, I must conclude that you were never saved. Please read my original post and meditate on God's Word...not what your pastor told you. God warns his children, not unbelievers. BTW, Jude 1:4 is talking about you. I don't mean to be so harsh, but your teaching gives people a license to live immoral lives. I've seen it many, many times. People that could be saved if they were taught to fear and obey the Lord, but they were taught that grace is all they need, so they live in willful sin.
Note what James says about a fellow Christian that falls back/falls away/wander away... James 5:19-20 "19 My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, 20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.". NOTE, first off, this exbeliever is now called a sinner. Second we see if someone brings this sinner back (ferering to a previous state of being saved) onto the straight and narrow road....that person has saved the sinner's soul !
Wandering from the truth means unaware of the truth or seeking for truth or not in the truth yet. Bringing them back means teaching them the truth of the gospel. We can't say they that wanders from the truth are saved already because they speak different - truth doesn't come from their mouth. So it is too assuming for you to consider a person goes back to being a sinner losing his salvation. In fact you and me can't maintain faithfulness right? Have you lost your salvation already? of course not. God is good, if we are faithless He remains faithful 2 Tim 2:13 once saved always saved indeed. The brother they are pertaining to is a jew and they call everyone (including unbeliever jews) a brother because they are jews. Similar use of brother in I John.
God bless you JP. I was a slave to sin that leads to death for 60 years after baptism. It took a Road to Damascus Road experience for the scales to fall off my eyes. I had the same thought you did ie. I was sick and tired of all the sin in my life. It was shortly after that, someone told me something I had never considered before. That was that I actually needed to stop practicing sin. I'm not Reformed but Calvin taught that the elect would necessarily persevere. I once asked a well informed Reformed Chritian (who, like Calvin, taught Baptismal Regeneration) why I fell away from my faith for some 60 years after baptism. He said that the faith can lie dormant until the soul embraces the grace given at baptism. I personally believe it is more of a matter of obedience based on what I know now. I will say that, God has truly done His part to free me from my practice of deadly sin. Of course, we all commit sins that do not lead to spiritual death most every day. We just need to confess those. If we abide and remain in Christ, the Spirit keeps us from sins that lead to death. Only with God's grace can this be accomplished. Our part is to strive to be obedient by striving to put to death the deeds of the flesh and to avoid the occasions of sins that the world places in our paths. I could suggest many reading sources but I will leave you with one very ancient primary source that is easy to Google. The Didache. This early Christian writing was written before the NT was completed. Scholars believe it was written while one of more of the Apostles were still living. It was considered when the Canon of Scripture was being considered. It covers things like Baptism , the Eucharist and how to deal with Apostles and prophets but I mostly want to draw your attention to the opening section which deals with the two ways. The way that leads to life and the way that leads to death. Read it slowly and let it sink into your heart and mind. If you have not been struck by the conversion experience I mentioned, do not loose heart. The fact that you no longer want to be a slave to sin means you are at a place where God's grace can do the work in your wounded soul that we all need. Seek the truth. Read the primary sources of the first Christians. They are mostly easily accessible online. My favorite are the letters of Ignatius of Antioch (107 AD), a disciple of John, Justin Martyr 155 AD) and Irenaeus of Lyon (180 AD). In my humble opinion, these are some of the best commentaries on the NT you will find :). God bless
JP, I was the same. Sick and tired of all the sin in my life. I found the clearest teaching in the Catholic Church. They were the first that told me I actually had to stop practicing sin. Many denominations don't have a category for sin especially the once saved always saved ones. They only preach salvation as a one-time decision which evolved during the Great Awakening revivals. Many of them defaulted to a confused antinomianism. I will pray for you. God bless.
@JPJoaoPaulo619 Make sure you approach God the way He expects you to with the right mindset. Prayers work together with what you need to have a resolve to do yourself. You must submit to God. That is essential: James 4:7-8 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. That's what your attitude needs to be when you are going through the process of *repentance* and committing to be obedient to God for the rest of your life (that's the kind of "change of mind" God wants to see). You must sincerely regret having sinned against God, and come to the point of hearing and agreeing 100% with Jesus' message saying, "I do not condemn you, now go and don't sin anymore" (John 8:11). Your obedience as you choose to follow God's ways is key--that's how you show your faith to God (John 3:36, Luke 6:46, Hebrews 3:17-18). That opens the door to receiving his *forgiveness* for your past sins (2 Peter 1:9), *healing* (Luke 5:31-32), *freedom from sin/addictions* (John 8:34-36), and the gift of *a new life* that you will live for God and no longer for sin and the passing things of the world (Romans 6:4, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15). That is the salvation you must make sure you have experienced: freedom from sin (John 8:36, Romans 8:1-2) versus bondage to sin (John 8:34, Romans 7:23). Approaching God in genuine repentance will lead to you receiving the Holy Spirit to lead you to "walk by the Spirit" (Acts 2:38, Galatians 5:16)--with a pure heart and self-control, which is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). Any habit that controls you reveals idolatry in your heart. You have to choose to be done with that and it will be part of your past. That's one thing that will come out of your commitment to be obedient to God for the rest of your life. Please see 1 Peter 4:1-3 and 1 Thessalonians 1:9. James 1:21-22 21 Therefore, putting away all filthiness and overflowing of wickedness, receive with humility the implanted word, which is able to save your souls [that's repentance]. 22 But be doers of the word [that's faith, which implies obedience], and not only hearers, deluding your own selves. Hebrews 5:9 And having been made perfect, He [Jesus] became the author of 👉 *eternal salvation to all those who obey Him [...].* Please stay in the word and obey it (James 1:21-22). The word of God is fuel for your faith. To live as a follower of Jesus you must go out of your way to put the word of God in your heart and keep it there, rejecting all distractions. It's a fight and that's how you need to stand to not fall down. The truth will set you free from all sin (John 8:31-32, 36). Remember, change comes from you really desiring it. Jesus puts it this way: Matthew 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled. It's your own hunger and your own thirst for the life that is centered on godliness that will lead you to that new life that is the gift of God in Jesus (Romans 6:4). The square one is genuine repentance.
See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands, your walls are ever before me. Isaiah 49:16. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. John 10:28 I'm safe and secure in the arms of Jesus.
@Randy , we can’t be “snatched” out of the hand of Jesus, meaning no one can sin for us ... we have only ourselves to blame. 1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
I agree with this, I really believe that we cant lose our salvation. if you truly encounter Jesus, oh when you truly encounter Jesus you will want what He wants, you will want to do what He wants you to do. As christians we cant / wil never be sinless, we can only sin less. And it is the Holy Spirit that will lead us to sanctification. Salvation is instantaneous but sanctification is not and the good work God has started in your life He is very faithful to finish. We are all works in progress, you will stumble along thecway but God will pursue you and wont stop, He will convict you and teach you til your very last breath. thank you southern seminary inform more and more of us and continue preaching the gospel to the very ends of the Earth.
I agree wholeheartedly. It's a journey of triumphs and terrible stumbles but God is faithful to the end. May Christ be glorified. He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. We believers are works in progress.
Faith. You have been lied to I'm afraid. You would do well to understand all that is required and all that is provided for you to meet the requirements of salvation. This may sound strange to your ears because of what you have been taught for a very long time, but is all solidly backed up by the scriptures. Here is a channel which lays out the gospel step by step should you be interested in hearing a very different and harmonious gospel which has no need to make scriptures say what they clearly do not, as this man has done. Thank you. th-cam.com/video/JOsslFasKcM/w-d-xo.html
@@TheZymbo Your misquoted Philippians 1:6. It is a most common error but it exposed a false gospel. Your gospel needs a major relook, my friend, for you have been told very wrong. Here is a link to a video on Philippians 1:6 followed by a link to a channel which lays out the Biblical gospel, step-by-step should you be interested. Thank you. th-cam.com/video/jPkUV4TTR8Q/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
Wow! Love how you explained this. I was in a group of believers once that believed that you had to be good and watch everything you did or you could fall away and loose out. How great it is that God opened my eyes that my salvation is SECURED in Jesus. How great God is!
@Leyden Humphries , scripture warns us against lawlessness and the doctrine of demons. The doctrine of demons is and has always been sin without fear. Are you a wolf, or a lost sheep?
It sounds like you were in a legalistic church which is as equally misguided as what has been presented here. What the vast majority fail to understand is that there are works of the Law or Works of the Flesh which only produce pride and condemnation. The answer is not "It's all done! We do nothing!" The answer is to strive to know His will for us through an abiding and obedient faith. This is the narrow and difficult way. And few there are who find it. Here is a link for a channel which lays out the Biblical gospel step-by-step should you be interested. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
It amazes me that some of the same people who say we are saved by grace also say we have to stay in the faith to stay saved. Which one is it because a wise person will see that you can't have it both ways. Here is the truth I stand on: if that person had genuine faith but let's say they never studied, went through tragedies and went to another religion or became an atheist, they ar...well, here's what the word of God says for this dispensation of grace. 2 Timothy 2:13 KJV If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. How is this possible? Colossians 1:25-27 KJV Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Once saved always saved because Christ can't deny himself in us because we are sealed with the holy spirit unto the day of redemption and Jesus is in us, also it was a mystery kept secret until Christ, after his resurrection reaveled the gospel of salvation for today. Colossians 1:25-27 KJV Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Ephesians 4:20 KJV And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 1:13 KJV In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, And for anyone who wants to bring up 2 Timothy 2:12 let's discuss that. 2 Timothy 2:12 KJV If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: This isn't talking about salvation. It's about resigning with Christ in the millennium.
I believe someone can't lose their salvation. There's many Christians who believe you can lose your salvation, and there's many Christians who believe you can't lose your salvation. A person's belief about whether or not they can lose their salvation doesn't determine whether they are saved. Accepting Christ in your heart and really meaning it in your heart is what determines whether you're saved. One of the main reasons why a lot of people think people can lose their salvation is because many people think once saved always saved teaches that once you accept Christ in your heart, you're free to live your life any way you want to and still go to heaven, but once saved always saved doesn't teach that. Accepting Christ in your heart by just mouthing the words and not meaning it in your heart doesn't save someone. In order to be saved, you have to accept Christ in your heart and really mean it in your heart. Once saved always saved teaches that when you accept Christ in your heart and really mean it in your heart, you're always going to be saved, you're never going to live a lifestyle defined by sin anymore, and you're never going to abandon the faith and walk away from the faith. 2 Corinthians 5:17 explains how when people become Christians, they are new creations; old things are passed away and all things become new. When a person accepts Christ in their heart and really means it in their heart, God changes them by them never living a lifestyle defined by sin anymore, having a new heart, never abandoning the faith, wanting to live for the Lord, etc. There's a lot of Bible verses that are strong evidence how you can't lose your salvation. 1 John 2:19 mentions how there's no such thing as an ex-Christian. If there's no such thing as an ex-Christian, it implies that someone can't lose their salvation. Matthew 24:13 mentions how true Christians preserve to the end. When a person accepts Christ in their heart and really means it in their heart, they're going to preserve to the end. 1 John 5:13 explains how you can know for certain that you have eternal life. If you can know for certain you have eternal life, that's strong evidence how you can't lose your salvation. Revelation 3:5 explains how Christ won't remove true Christians from the Book of Life.
Biker Boy90 My friend, because of the freedom of will, a believer can choose to decide whether to follow God or not. To put it simple, God didn't force us to believe him before we became believers; and neither will he force us to continue with him if we choose to leave. God will never force anyone into heaven against his will. The parable of the prodigal son will tell you exactly that believers can still go astray from the faith; hence Paul said that "If we suffer, we shall also reign with [him]: *_if we deny [him], he also will deny us."_* (2 Timothy 2:12). Even the Lord himself has made it so clear that even if you are believer, yet you do not bear the fruit of your faith, you will still be cut off from him (see John 15:1-5; Romans 11:22). So, salvation is a condition. You will have the hope of salvation if you continue to abide with the savior (John 15:6).
@@paeng46 Thanks for your comment. You make great points. I agree with you how God doesn't force people to follow Christ. God gave people a free will. God gave everyone a free will because he wanted people to be able to make their own decisions. God doesn't want people in heaven with him simply due to them being robots; he wants people to be in heaven with him due to them choosing to follow Christ. God didn't just make everyone good because being good without free will is being good due to being a robot, and being good due to being a robot isn't genuine goodness. Genuine goodness is being good due to choosing to be good. It is true that true Christians display evidence that they are saved. True Christians have the fruit of the spirit in their life, persevere to the end, want to live for the Lord, want to serve the Lord, don't live a lifestyle defined by sin, don't want to take advantage of grace, etc.
@@bikerboy9010 why is salvation, in the Bible in three verb tenses....past, present, and future....and how doe the verse....he, who endures till the end, shall be saved....
@@philipbuckley759 Thanks for your comment. Excellent questions. You are correct that salvation is in three tenses in the Bible. When salvation is in the past tense in the Bible, it's referring to justification, being saved from the penalty of sin, being saved from hell, Jesus dying on the cross to pay the penalty for sin, etc. When salvation is in the present tense in the Bible, it's referring to being saved from the power of sin, sanctification, being changed from someone who used to live a lifestyle defined by sin to someone who doesn't live a lifestyle defined by sin anymore, etc. When salvation is in the future tense in the Bible, it's referring to glorification, being saved from the presence of sin, being rewarded in heaven, etc. Salvation in the past, present, and future tense isn't referring to people losing their salvation. You are correct that the Bible talks about how people who endure until the end will be saved. Matthew 24:13 talks about people who endure to the end will be saved. I believe that enduring to the end doesn't mean people can lose their salvation because people that are true Christians do endure to the end, persevere to the end, etc. The point of Matthew 24:13 is that true Christians do preserve to the end, endure to the end, etc, and another point of Matthew 24:13 is how to tell whether someone's a true Christian. 2 Corinthians 5:17 explains how people that are true Christians are new creations; old things are passed away and all things become new. There's positive changes that happen in someone's life when they become saved, a Christian, etc. 2 Corinthians 5 talks about changes in someone's life when they become a Christian. When a person accepts Christ in their heart and really means it in their heart, they're going to preserve to the end. Preserving to the end is a positive change that happens in someone's life when they accept Christ in their heart and really mean it in their heart. A true Christian is someone that accepts Christ in their heart and really means it in their heart. When a person accepts Christ in their heart and really means it in their heart, they experience positive changes in their life such as never living a lifestyle defined by sin anymore (Christians sill sin, still aren't perfect, still make mistakes in life, still make bad decisions in their life at times, etc but they don't live a lifestyle defined by sin), being born again, having the fruit of the spirit in their life, wanting to live for the Lord, wanting to serve the Lord, wanting to persevere to the end, wanting to endure to the end, not wanting to take advantage of grace, and not going to walk away and abandon the faith (true Christians do backslide at times, but true Christians never walk away and abandon the faith).
Nicely explained and agree. Love my father who has rules i love to live by as a sinner and praying daily and trusting my path to Our Savior and Lord. God Bless All. 🙏😇❤️
We must renew our minds in the word. Faith comes by hearing the word. So in order for us to grow and be like Jesus we listen and learn from the holy spirit who will give us guidance and wisdom through the word.
It's astounding how most people in this comment section are critizing Dr. Schreiner for believing in Eternal Security and then cite the warning passages in order to refute him. Have you even understood his argument at all? What does he say is the purpose of those warnings?
@Marie W 777 , I’m merely asking you to do what God‘s Word says to do ; provide three witnesses from the New Testament, God’s Word, that supports your doctrine. You claim your doctrine comes from the Bible, so provide three witnesses from the Bible. You know you can’t. You follow a false doctrine.
When Jesus says “depart from me I never knew you”. These people were not saved. They may have gone to the mega churches and delivered food to the hungry, helped widows and the like but it was not because they were saved. Whatever their purpose for doing these things that are typical of the actions of a born again believer it wasn’t at the prompting of the Holy Spirit. More than likely they did the things for their own vanity and pride which I believe Jesus makes clear throughout these passages. In my experience one must test oneself for no one else knows your mind and heart. It’s true we judge others by their actions as to what type of character they have but that doesn’t always work for judging whether or not they’re saved. However, if someone tries to publicly justify their sinful actions in direct opposition to Christ’s word, then I would say they are likely not saved. In my own experience I cannot and will not pardon my own sin because I agree that IT IS SIN. Gods word is a part of my make up, my mind and my soul. There is something apart from me that makes clear what is right and wrong and I long to do what is right though I fail early and often at it lol. When I do fail it’s tough to come before the Lord and repent sometimes as I’m ashamed of my failure; and yet I do get on my knees, give thanks and praise and repent. So, my question to those who believe they can lose their salvation is: do you have a relationship with Jesus? When you sin does it bother you? Do you feel the need to repent of the sin because you long to return to fellowship with Jesus? If so it’s a safe bet you’re saved and assured of salvation and Jesus will leave the 99 to come after the one that belongs to Him. If none of the above is familiar to you I would get on your knees and speak to Jesus like He is right there (He is), repent of your sins and ask Him to save you. You need to mean it. Take care all!
Thank you for this 🙏🏽. I believe I have a relationship with Jesus. Sadly when I received The Holy Spirit I feel into sexual immorality a couple of times and it led to masturbation as well. 😔 I repented for it a lot and when I finally stopped because I felt like I was disrespecting God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit. However a week later I go hit with a slash to the heart when I read about willful sin and deliberately sinning consequences. And it left me in a depression and doubt with lead to illness and body complications. Sexual dreams and nightmares. Loss of sleep and overthinking. Time after time it got harder and one day I said I don’t know if I can continue with this. I’m tired. I don’t know if I said I’m done but I know a brother called me and talked to me and we prayed and then I prayed to God for help. Went to sleep and woke up to a burning feeling in my chest, stomach, and back of my head. Thought the Holy Spirit left me and became scared. Don’t know what to do since been having highs and lows but I hope I didn’t lose faith and now I’m lost 😞
When the Apostle Paul warns the early church in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?Do not be deceived:Neither the sexual immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderes nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. The Apostle Paul sent this warning to the early church, born again christains so dont be so naive and blinded by believing you can live in habitual sin and still go to heaven when the Apostle paul warns crystal clear you will not inherit the kingdom of God. Example: a born again christain who likes to get drunk therefore he is a drunkard and will not inherit the kingdom of God. Can you lose your salvation? Yes you certainly can and will lose your salvation if you remain living in habitual sin. Sorry if this sounds harsh but if you continue to sin you will die ,and that doesn't mean when you die your going to heaven, this is talking about Spiritual death and going to hell, the bible has numerous scriptures about Paul warning the early church ( born again christains) sometimes with tears on how to live to please God and fall for any other gospel which is no gospel at all The main sign Jesus told us about is deception and to believe that you can live in sin and still get to go to heaven is from the enemy satan, a lie and deception. Wakeup!
It amazes me that some of the same people who say we are saved by grace also say we have to stay in the faith to stay saved. Which one is it because a wise person will see that you can't have it both ways. Here is the truth I stand on: if that person had genuine faith but let's say they never studied, went through tragedies and went to another religion or became an atheist, they ar...well, here's what the word of God says for this dispensation of grace. 2 Timothy 2:13 KJV If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. How is this possible? Colossians 1:25-27 KJV Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Once saved always saved because Christ can't deny himself in us because we are sealed with the holy spirit unto the day of redemption and Jesus is in us, also it was a mystery kept secret until Christ, after his resurrection reaveled the gospel of salvation for today. Colossians 1:25-27 KJV Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Ephesians 4:20 KJV And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 1:13 KJV In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, And for anyone who wants to bring up 2 Timothy 2:12 let's discuss that. 2 Timothy 2:12 KJV If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: This isn't talking about salvation. It's about resigning with Christ in the millennium.
In Hebrews, it says that "it is impossible to renew unto repentance" it doesn't say that they lose salvation! And it is referring to Jewish believers reverting back to the temple system of the levitical practices of sin offerings,NOT to Gentile born-again believers! God bless you!
So the warning passages are explained away so as to keep the preservation passages. This is what happens when people don't understand how to harmonize passages. Is it a contradiction when the Bible says that Judas hung himself and in another place it says he was splattered on the rocks...no. You harmonize the two to get the complete story. All the preservation passages are CONTINGENT upon people remaining faithful until the end. Thus, the warning passages are meant to guard against not remaining faithful. It's like if a guy says to his fiancé "We're going to have a great married life." This is contingent upon the girl no sleeping with some guy during the engagement period. What man says is a promise so long as the girl remains faithful. In like manner, "...He will complete it..." is contingent upon a person remaining faithful to Christ during this "engagement period" prior to Christ's return. His explanation about the "warning" passages doesn't apply in any area of life. The whole point of a warning is because of the actual possibility that the negative consequences associated with not following the warnings may come to pass. If a person can't actually succumb to what the warning is all about then it is not a warning. If I told someone "Don't invest in that company or else you'll lose $50,000" it's not a warning if the possibility of losing the money doesn't actually exist. If there is no possible way that I could lose the $50K then it's not a warning to be heeded because I'll never lose the money. The issue with Paul is not an issue because the warning was heeded and thus the promise kept. You can't use that story to justify saying "All warning passages are therefore going to be heeded by everyone it is given to down through church history." The promise is contingent upon heeding the warning. This is exactly what Paul is saying. In 1 John 23:19 John is NOT saying that what he said is a way to discern everyone who leaves Jesus throughout church history. John is writing about a specific group of people they dealt with. Most importantly, no one in the Bible ever even states that the warnings are the "Means" by which God keeps people. This is a concept created by men so as to keep so version of "once saved always saved".
God is simple. I think it was overcomplicated. There are other scriptures as well. There are goats who have never been known by Jesus, though, they are big believers and miracle makers. Who is lookwarm, also will be spit out of His mouth. Who is not like a child, has not even gotten a chance to get in. Overcomplicated Bible explanations make people like clever adults, not like a child. The letter kills, and the Spirit gives only life.
I like the example with the fiancé..Spot on. I was replying recently to an adherent to OSAS and said: If a doctor gives you a pill for your bad heart and says: "you will live if you take this" it does not mean you will live if you take it and then jump off the Empire State Building. When a Christian returns to habitual sin he no longer believes the Gospel that saved him. The testimony God gives of His son is that He did indeed free you from sin but the professing Christian, in returning to a sinful lifestyle, is saying they can have God (eternally) ANDNOT BE FREE OF SIN. Right there he has made God a liar and therefore the word of eternal life is no longer in him (because God cannot lie) 1 John 1:10 and 1 John 5:10). 1st John was written to dispel the OSAS myth creeping in in Johns' time. The gnostic teaching of dualism, from Plato and hellenism, said: "body, bad and the spirit, good". The immature Christian saw how that related to them having a body from Adam, capable of sin, and a born again spirit, from Jesus, that is righteous. They then said: "Well, if body is bad it does not matter what we do in it (sin wise) because righteousness is in our spirit and that is the part of us that is saved and heaven bound". That is exactly what OSAS says. OSAS says you will be saved no matter what you do in the body because righteousness is in your spirit and that can't sin. OSAS is gnostic.
@@oneway6681 If you take the warning passages such as Hebrews 3:12 you will see that it is believers that are being warned and the warning is to not depart from God. It's not goats who are being warned but actual believers.
For those of you who didn’t like Dr. Schreiner’s answer to this problem, good luck finding a better one. He acknowledges the reality of preservation passages, the reality of warning passages, and the exegetical difficulties with trying to explain away the idea that the warning passages aren’t intended for real Christians (because they are!). The fact is, no real Christian should ever have confidence in their election unto salvation when they are living in sin. Peter says: “Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. 11 For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 1:10-11). This doesn’t mean that real Christians won’t ever fall into serious sin in their lifetime, but the Holy Spirit’s role is to convict true believers to increase in holiness, while decreasing in sin. As such, and as usual, the Holy Spirit uses means to accomplish this purpose. God knows who He has elected and who will therefore, persevere to the end-no one else does, including those who are saved. This is why we should never rest solely in a one time profession of faith. Instead, our confidence in Christ’s substitutionary death rests in our life long confession lived out in holy living. Yes: faith alone, in Christ alone, by God’s grace alone. But no to a faith that “is” alone: “faith without works is dead.”
Ahhhh! "Once Saved, Always Saved!" I would agree that OSAS is often presented as a synonym for antinomianism (a heresy). However, the doctrine of election is not the doctrine of OSAS. True Calvinists, such as Dr. Schreiner, never separate election from effectual calling. Here is the WCF Article 10.1 "1. All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, he is pleased, in his appointed and accepted time, effectually to call,[1] by his Word and Spirit,[2] out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature to grace and salvation, by Jesus Christ;[3] enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God,[4] taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them an heart of flesh;[5] renewing their wills, and, by his almighty power, determining them to that which is good,[6] and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ:[7] yet so, as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.[8]" (taken from reformed.org) God is a God of justice. He is also a God of mercy. His justice and his mercy are perfectly satisfied on the cross. Of course, salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, but salvation is never by a faith that "is" alone: -"faith without works is dead" (James 2:26). -"If any man is in Christ, he is a new creation, the old is gone, behold the new has come" (2 Corinthians 5:17). -"seek out your own salvation in fear and trembling for it is God who works within you both to will and work according to His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:12b-13). Of course, believers bear good fruit. They are the "good soil" those to whom the mysteries of the kingdom have been revealed. -"And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father” (John 6:65). It is not the one who hears only. But the one who understands; and that understanding is not simply mental, it is spiritual. -"The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14). "For what was sown on good soil, this is the word who hears it and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundred fold, in another case sixty, and in another thirty" (Matthew 13:23). The ones who hear and understand are the ones to whom "[[[it has been given]]] to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven..." they are the ones who have (knowledge) and to whom more will be given. Who then is the one who has, and will have more? To whom the mysteries of the kingdom of God has been given. Thanks for the reply!
i agree with you Andrew Summers. God is the initiator, He call us first, He drew to us first that's why we draw to Him.I believe our salvation is instantaneous but our sanctification is a process. Its a day to day process. It's is the Holy Spirit who will sanctify you not you. And oh when you encounter Jesus, if you truly encounter Jesus, you will want what He wants. You will do what He wants you to do. The law will be written in your heart and it will just be natural for you to obey it.
The promise is only conditional on our faith. A one time faith. We should abide in Him for service. Not for salvation. We are in Him. We are part of the body of Christ on earth. Second Corinthians 5:21. He keeps us saved. John 10:28-29. Hebrews 13:5. First John 5:13. Second Timothy 2:13. He will never leave us or forsake us. He will never cast us out. God cannot lie. John 6:40. John 6:29. John 6:47. John 5:24. John 3:18. The blood of Jesus covers us from all sin. Colossians 2:13. He has forgiven us ALL trespasses. Past, present, and future. Romans 4:5-8.
James 5:19-20 ESV: My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. The answer is yes
This is not talking about someone losing their salvation but rather about dying as a consequence from ones sin. 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. There’s not even a mention of heaven or hell, just because we see the word “save” we cannot translate that to spiritual salvation. When Peter was sinking in the water and he cried to Jesus Lord save me! He wasn’t talking about his spiritual salvation, he just didn’t want to drown.
@@wendymtzc "This is not talking about someone losing their salvation but rather about dying as a consequence from ones sin." "There’s not even a mention of heaven or hell, just because we see the word “save” we cannot translate that to spiritual salvation. When Peter was sinking in the water and he cried to Jesus Lord save me! He wasn’t talking about his spiritual salvation, he just didn’t want to drown." If ur not talking about spiritual death idk what you talkin about. With the peter refrence and the fact u said he wasnt talking about spiritual death makes me think for some odd reason u talking about physical death
74spirit, you actually stated an interesting thought. I'm curious, concerning your statement about being saved or not and being honest with one's self, do you belief in faith alone salvation and once saved always saved? Your answer will help me better understand your comment. Thanks brother. God bless
So so many scriptures that speak on this subject, making me feel secure, another saying something totally different to where I’m having major anxiety. Why don’t all scriptures on salvation say the same thing? It’s so confusing to me and scary.
“Being Saved” is accepting the Grace of God by faith in the cross and Christ’s victory over sin. The debt owed God by man has been paid and no longer exists. Belief in that puts us at square one with God in Christ. This is the new covenant and it is no longer based on the law....why... Because repentance means we reject the ways of the flesh and become a “new creation in Christ.” We have put aside the old for the new. We no longer need the law, we have walked through the door directly to God through Jesus Christ. Since we are in the process of sanctification, we are “yet sinners”. Satan preys upon your guilt for sin and plants seeds of doubt. That is intended to destroy your faith. The difference between the old creation in the flesh and the new is two fold . Our faith, which saves us and our DESIRE to “walk in the ways” of the Lord instead of the sinful desires of the flesh and ourselves. Your desire to do this is in your heart, mind and soul and cannot be lost, if you meant what you said when you believed. God becomes part of you and you become part of Him because you want to. Satan is trying to rip you away. Talk to God often during the day and share your doubts, fear, joys and pains. He loves nothing better than to be in constant communication with you. Think about it. There is nothing unclear about this. Ask yourself where is my heart? You know the answer.
Remember when Peter failed? He even denied Jesus! Not once but three times! What a terrible sin! As: Matthew 10:33 (KJV) "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." But remember what Jesus said, even before Peter denied Him? Luke 22:32 (KJV) "But I HAVE PRAYED FOR THEE, THAT THY FAITH FAIL NOT: and WHEN thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren." Can Jesus pray and fail? Of course Not! Never! After that event, we can read that the assurance of Peter's salvation is 100% guantere despites he will at one time denies Him 3 times. Because Jesus said he will repent when He said :"WHEN thou art converted" and that "NONE IS LOST" even though at that moment Peter have not denied Him yet: John 17:12 (KJV) "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and NONE OF THEM IS LOST, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." That's how powerfull is our GOD!!! HE guard us from falling away, He pray that none of His sheep is lost. Jude 1:24 (KJV) "Now unto HIM THAT IS ABLE TO KEEP YOU FROM FALLING, and TO PRESENT YOU FAULTNESS before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," That's what it mean to be a SAVIOUR! It's not that He just forgive our sins, but fail to bring us to heaven. But He's not just forgive our sins, but He make sure HE PRESENT US FAULTNESS before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," WHAT A GOD!!! Jude 1:25 (KJV) "To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."
They do say the same thing. But God makes it difficult so that only those who diligently seek Him through dedicated study of the Bible with reliance on the Holy Spirit will discover how these things are harmonized. I was at the same place you were twenty years ago. This is what I have found. If you are truly interested in reconciling these things, here is a link which may be very enlightening. It will take time and petitioning the Holy Spirit. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
@Wayne B With all respect, Dr. Arnold is a false teacher. You should consider an alternative view based on the Bible. Dr. Arnold is leading many into a false assurance which will end in horror. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
There was one word the good Dr. played down in Paul's ship wreak story which was the little word 'if'. Instead he said the warning passages served to save all the men. Yes, they did serve a purpose but some of all of those men could have still disobeyed Paul's warning and then not be saved. Such warnings apply to us but the 'if' is still the linchpin. That is we will be saved 'if' and only if we are obedient to the warning verses that are all directed at the saved. What good is t to say to Jesus 'I believe in You but I won't obey You'. Scripture is clear that there are 3 periods of salvation that can be lost at anytime if we do not continue in obedience. We have been saved ( Ephesians 2:8-10), then we are being saved as we work out our salvation in fear and trembling and we remain in Christ (ie. avoid sin that leads to spiritual death which are spelled out in Scripture: fornication, adultery, murder, etc and these warnings are directed to Christians and Paul warns them all that, if they live that way, the being believers, will not inherit eternal life) and late we will be saved if we endure till the end.That makes a lot more sense. The truth is God simply has fore knowledge of who will chose life and who will reject life. That is what is meant by we were predestined. That is God gives the grace needed for salvation to everyone but we each have to be obedient to that grace. We have to cooperate with that grace. So, Scripture is both/and and not either/or and it is clear that if we remain in Christ, nothing can separate us from God but, 'if' we don't, salvation can and will be lost. God bless.
Wow good luck as in trying to save yourself 😁 what was the purpose of the cross then, you make no sense. What God was some sort of me a proposition, the can save you 'IF you believe 🙄 what about His blood?
@@Tommythecat007 Your first statement is a form of Pelagianism which was condemned by the church at the Council of Carthage in 418. Pelagius taught the primacy of human effort in salvation ie. we could save ourselves through human effort. The church teaches Christ's death on the cross provided the grace we need to cooperate with God's salvation but we must be cooperative with that grace. The church teaches God created us with freewill and, though He wishes for all men to be saved, He will not saves us against our will. In the end, we will reap what we saw. Your second statement makes me think of Universalism It was taught by Origin but condemned by the church at the Council of Constantinople in 543. I'm not sure if Origin taught that the blood of Christ would provide the salvation of ALL humans and perhaps the fallen angels at the end of time but the idea is similar ie. that all will be saved. I'm told we still have Universalism today maybe in some Unitarian churches. I know when I was a Protestant, I can see now that I read the Bible as either/or instead of both/and. So, I read verses that seemed to say I could not lose my salvation and ignored any that seemed to say I could. Once I learned that the assurance verses were for those who are 'abiding' in Christ (to me that means not guilty of sins leading to spiritual death eg. adultery, murder, etc. that need to be confessed) , that helped me see the reasonableness of the warning verses that contained words like 'if', 'provided', and 'I warn you'. Hope this helps. God bless.
@@billlee2194 no you are listening to man-made theology, not what the scriptures state, to hold your position you would have to do deny all the following verses and that my friend is not possible. ie Lamentations 3:31-33 For no one is cast off by the Lord forever.(You seem to portray some will be, so any some will be theory is deemed heresy with one verse already)Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone. 1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. 1 Corinthians 15:22For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. Just as the result of one trespass was condemnation of all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.” (Rom. 5:18) Jesus is “able even to subdue all things to Himself.” (Phil. 3:21) Jesus came “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will.” (Eph. 1:10, 11) The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) All shall know the Lord, from the least of them to the greatest of them.” (Heb. 8:11) Mercy shall triumph over judgment.” (James 2:13) Every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever.” (Rev. 5:13) Through the greatness of your power your enemies shall submit themselves to you. all the earth shall worship You and sing praises to you.” (Ps. 66:3, 4) For I will not contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would fail before Me, And the souls which I have made.” (Isaiah 57:16) There is no God besides Me, a just God and Savior; there is none besides Me. Look to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself; the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall take an oath. He shall say, surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength. To Him men shall come, and all shall be ashamed who are incensed against Him. In the Lord all the descendants of Israel shall be justifed and shall glory.” (Isaiah 45:21-25) Philippians 2: 9-11 9Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, In heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, To the glory of God the Father. In this mountain the Lord of Hosts will make for all people a feast of choice pieces, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of well-refined wines on the lees. And he shall destroy on this mountain the surface of the covering cast over all nations. He will swallow up death forever, and the Lord will wipe away tears from all faces.” (Isaiah 25:6-8) Of those who crucified Him (which is all of us) Jesus declared: “Father forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) But God would not take away a life; He would devise plans so that the one banished from Him does not remain banished.” 2 Sam. 14:14 Jesus says: “I pass judgment on no one.” [John 8:15] 4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5He saved us(past tense), not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth.(Born again) Titus3: 3-6 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. Romans 11:32 Quite simply if you could lose salvation then you surely would. The scripture clearly says salvation belongs to the Lord it has nothing to do with you. It was a gift. A gift is solely substantiated on the intention of the giftor whether your intention is to receive it or not.... full stop. It is not your salvation to lose. A gift is a gift regardless of the intention or response by the giftee, but solely at the intention of the giftor. You seem to have some co-operative contract running.
@poonam jadhwani , salvation from past sins is a free gift, but you must belong to Christ to enter heaven - and only those who obey God’s commandments belong to Christ! You can’t earn salvation, but you can earn damnation thru sin.
@Marie W 777 , you’re a blatant liar. Here’s proof: 1 John 2:3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
@@joebolling if you continue to live in habitual sin will you enter the kingdom of God, ? JESUS SAID TO HIM WHO OVERCOMES, REMAINING IN HABITUAL SIN IS NOT OVER COMING SIN BUT IS IN FACT DISOBEDIENCE, WILL THOSE WHO REMAIN IN HABITUAL SIN ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD?????? NO, FOR THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SIN WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD AS THERE ARE OVER 80 SCRIPTURES TO PROOF of this fact !.
@@joebolling so sorry i idi infact reply to the wrong person for i believe the doctrine of osas is a doctrine of men, demons and satan as there are over 80 scriptures declare lukewarm christains will nt inherit the kingdom of God its impossible to enter heaven as a lukewarm christain and Jesus warns and makes it crystal clear i lived believing the deception of osas for 25 years until i watched David pawson preach on this and expose this false doctrine.
Girl, read your Bible and not the teachings of Men and ask the Holy Spirit to explain it to you. The Bible cannot contradict itself. It makes it clear that Sin has eternal consequeces regardless of your status when commiting it. It is littered all over the Bible. The verses he's used has been twisted to suit what he is saying. The Bible is so clear about this that I can't even believe that its been debated: Ezekiel 18:4, 24; John 8:31,32; Matthew 7:14, 17-27; Galatians 5:25; Mark13:33-37; Luke 13: 24-28, Luke 9:62, John 15:6-7; Romans 11:22; 1 Corinthians 10:12; Hebrews 10:38,39; Hebrews 6:4-6; Luke 8:13; Hebrews 3:12-14; James 5:19-22; Revelation 3:11 etc. Let me know if you need more scriptures.
People still can choose whether they will be SAVE or NOT even GOD promise eternal life Accepting Jesus is the start of your Journey until the last breath of your life we should stand Firm with Jesus for the prize HE promised 🙏
Repent of sin and Trust in Jesus for the kingdom of God is at hand! John 14:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Matthew 7:13-23 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. -
Gl. 6.7 : " Be not deceived, God is not mocked for whatsoever a man soweth that he shall reap" Jn 8.34 "Whosoever commitheth a sin is a servant of sin", Hb. 6.10 "For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love----"
If you believe once saved always saved , then please make sure you are truly saved by living a holy life. Sanctification is the proof of Justification. If you believe you can lose your salvation, then please live in such a way that you will not lose your salvation ie live a holy life.
This will be my final reply. This reply is in response to James McAllister. If someone continues in habitual sin with no effect on their conscience, without regret, without dread or without an overwhelming desire for repentance, they were never saved in the first place. If you’re truly saved, you have received The Holy Spirit from The Father because of The Son’s (Jesus) sacrifice on the cross. You receive The Holy Spirit to be you’re helper, to convict you of sin, demand repentance and continually sanctify you in your walk with Jesus. Romans 7:14- 8:1-39 explains my point of view. If you are truly saved, you will ever be called to repentance when you do sin and ever be called to eliminate sin in your life. This calling is from the Holy Spirit who dwells within you. To say you can lose your salvation is to deny salvation by Grace. Jesus’ admonishments showed that sin is in all of our lives and none are justified apart from Him. He also says He will send the Helper/ Holy Spirt who enables us to do the Fathers will. This would suggest to me that had Jesus not sent the Holy Spirit, even in believing, we would fail. Once again this also suggests Grace and that it is God doing all of the work so that we will not fail. We are saved by Grace, through faith in Christ Jesus, lest any man should boast. God Bless
You can lose your salvation. The parable of the Prodigal Son is a perfect example... As soon as the son was give his share and left, he lost his sonship and all previledges of being a son. But His father still loved him. In essense, men are the ones who walk away from God and through sinning they loose their salvation and place before God. But God still loves man even though he sins. As soon as the prodigal son repented in his heart he went back to his father and they were re-united. Since God's love is constant, all He awaits is for men to realise their sinful ways and repent and abandon completely their sinful lifestyles and with Open arms God will recieve them back. Sin seperates Man from Elohim.
If you did not do anything to EARN that Salvation - HOW are you going to UN- EARN IT? “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may KNOW that you HAVE (present tense) eternal life.” 1 John 5:13 ESV “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9 That’s Christianity 101. Salvation is ENTIRELY a WORK of GOD. As Jonah states, salvation is of the Lord. Being a new creature. Is present tense. So that is done. Not in process. Sanctification is process - but handled entirely by the Holy Spirit. The in James - are evidences of regeneration, NOT works required for salvation. “Lest any man boast” And that is the crux - lest any man BOAST. When the crowd asked who then can be saved? After hearing the highest standard, with which Jesus describes keeping the law, highlighting that you can Sin even in your thoughts, before the actual deed! The crowd rightly panicked! Jesus described an impossible standard! Jesus then states quite clearly “with man, this is impossible, but with God anything is possible.” With man it is impossible ! It’s only God that can open the eyes of a man, and enable him to respond, even enables you to repent! (Acts 11:17-18, Acts 5:30-31, 2 Tim 2:24-25) We are dead in our sins, therefore unable to respond to the call of God. No one seeks God. No one does good. That’s our state. Our nature. R.C. Sproul describes, “God just doesn’t throw a life preserver to a drowning person. He goes to the bottom of the sea, and pulls a corpse from the bottom of the sea, takes him up on the bank, breathes into him the breath of life and makes him alive.” I believe that our salvation is of the Lord from start to finish, from election to glorification. If it were up to us, we would have never been saved.” “Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,” Romans 5:20 ESV Jesus has entered in as our high priest. He is able to KEEP his sheep. I think the sticking point is are you really saved. ..? Which is certainly a key point as this is something Jesus addresses personally and tells us he will separate the false converts and the true at the Judgement.
Another example, since Lucifer was once an annointed cherub of God he had salvation then until iniquity was found in him Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Iniquity was found in him and he never repented at all. In Rev 12 we see how he was struck down from heaven.. The thing is if Lucifer had repented God would have forgiven him but he is too proud to repent. And we all know the end result of Satan is eternal damnation Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. So Lucifer was cut off from God completely due to his sinful nature.. And are we if we continue in the life of sin we will follow suit. Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
@@thewarriorcallthe prodigal son was a son when his relationship was right with his father. When he walked away with his inheritance and severed his relationship his father there was a gap in the relationship. He siezed from being a fathers son to a slave of sin, slave of the system, slave of the world. He could not operate as a son because he was busy "enjoyin himself" wasting life away. It is not until he squanders everything that he realise his initial status as a son. All the priviledges he had as a son. Mind you this moment he lived as a slave eating pig feed. Not until he repented in his heart, forsook evil bad lifestyle that he realised he was a son. Life of sin will rob you the status of being a son. Sin will make you a slave.
@@njengakeilan even as a backslidden son, he was STILL his son. He wasn't kicked out of the family. Backsliders are STILL God's children. They may have lost the relationship, but not their status of salvation or part of the family.
“Therefore I said unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time MANY of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him”
I believe they had the freewill to stay and live or get off the ship and die. I think when you are promised to be saved, that is saying God will for sure do His part if you believe what He says. That does not mean you have no free will to walk away from God, and lose out on the promise. This makes more sense to me that warning people about something that can not happen. One of the best examples is John 15. You see people already attached to the vine, who is defined as Jesus, being pruned off and gathered up and burned. I think that shows you have freewill to stay attached or not.
So are you saying, that every time you sin, you become unattached? That means I am daily attached and then reattached. So if I happen to die while attached, I'm good and will go to heaven but if I die during sin, lets say within a few hrs period, then I go to hell? Thats way to confusing and like a roller coaster. 😔
@@joeregan. Ok, and I sure hope so, otherwise I'm in big trouble. I get angry at least twice, and I swear less than I use to but I still struggle at least once or twice a day. I commit other sins as well and immediately feel guilty. And usually ask for forgiveness right after. This has always been very confusing to me as to why I continue to be tempted and continue to struggle at a lessor degree from before, but I still do. Thank you for your response.
Read when Peter denied Jesus 2 times. After warning him, jesus said: Luke 22:32 (KJV) But I HAVE PRAYED FOR THEE, THAT THY FAITH FAIL NOT: and WHEN thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren." Jesus even said in next event when He pray: John 17:12 (KJV) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and NONE OF THEM IS LOST, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." BEFORE PETER COMMIT HIS SIN!! What part did Peter do? He didn't do something that made him not lost, he did the opposite! He did what Jesus warn him! So technically he lost at that time Matthew 10:33 (KJV) "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." But because of these: "But I HAVE PRAYED FOR THEE, THAT THY FAITH FAIL NOT" and these saying "NONE OF THEM IS LOST" so there would be "WHEN thou art converted" for Peter. Because: Jude 1:24 (KJV) "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," What kind of a saviour if Jesus forgives sins but failing "to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy?
@@TheSmackdwn Nooooooooo!!! No one ever said that. It is a complete straw man argument. But continual, willful sin, resisting the Spirit of Grace, will cause you to be cut off. You would do well to petition the Holy Spirit to reveal these things to you for you are being misled. Here is a link to a channel which you may find very enlightening should you so desire to seek after truth. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
So if you can lose your salvation, you are saying in a sense that Jesus sacrifice on the cross was not enough to cover all of your sins? And if not when John says I say these things so you will KNOW you have enteral life, it was not true. Because a sin has managed to change something eternal into something not. The implications of what I see some saying is that there is a point when you sin that can tip you over into the non saved category. Well how much sin is that? And what about the scripture that say if we sin and repent God is faithful to forgive? We gain salvation by faith but then lost it because of a sin? So I sin today I am out of salvation, then I repent and I am back in. So we can't really know if we are saved.
Your reply indicates that you do not understand the New Covenant. For those who John says they know they have eternal life, what is that based upon? Trusting in Jesus' so-called finished work alone? The New Covenant washes current sins away conditionally on an obedient and abiding faith walk. Your straw man argument about a single sin disqualifying a true believer is clearly addressed. If you sincerely are a seeker of truth, then here is a channel which will methodically lay out all of these things for you. It may be the most important thing you will listen to up to this point in your life. I sincerely hope so. Here you are: th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
I have messed up after I got saved but I'm not giving up. I think the enemy would love if I did but Jesus died for all of us. I believe in him with all my heart but I backslid into the world am I going to hell? That's why I'm here watching this video, I don't know. I pray everyday and hope that if I resist sin that the devil will flee from me and I will get closer to God. I can't just give up because I drifted off and made mistakes! In the story of the prodigal son, isn't he raised morally and taught the truth of the gospel before he takes off and gets into the world?! Then he returns and is forgiven? I could be wrong I need to read that again. Anyway, I obviously could use some prayer. Peace and love from above.
If you’re truly repentant, scripture says God is faithful to forgive. But repentance isn’t very convincing when the sin keeps getting repeated, it likely means you’re more in love with the sin than you are with God. That’s really for God to decide for each of us, but scripture is quite clear that those that love him will obey his commandments and those that don’t love him won’t obey his commandments. It also says we know who belongs to Christ and who belongs to the devil exclusively by who keeps the commandments and who doesn’t. We don’t even receive the Holy Spirit until we’ve established continual obedience. If you’re repeating sin, you need to figure out how to hate that sin so much that you despise that it would even cross your mind for a fleeting second. That’s being a man after God’s own heart, literally hating what he hates for the same reason he hates it, and loving what he loves for the same reason that he loves it. Endure to the end my friend. You can do it. According to scripture, God never allows us to encounter a temptation that he doesn’t provide a way of escape from. Those that love him seek that escape and find it, those that love sin instead commit the sin. Run to God and never look back at those past sins, never be the dog that returns to its vomit.
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I lived in constant condemnation thinking i was not good enough and failed miserably. i constantly ran to the alter to "recommit" my life. God drew you and you came. we read and study the Word to grow in faith and knowledge. How can you trust someone you don't know? Once you are born again you are forgiven of past sins, but just as any true relationship, we must maintain it. God is Holy and sin separates us from God. We should never be living in habitual sin because Jesus set us free from the bondage of sin and death. Like Peter who only needed His feet washed I John 1:9 is our spiritual foot washing "if we confess our sins, He forgives us our sins and cleanses us from all unrighteousness." This was written to believers! Please understand that the more we study and pray and get to know God, HE changes us. HE convicts us. He gives us His Word and His Spirit, but we must remain IN Him until the end. The yoke is easy because you realize you cannot save yourself and the burden is light because you are not walking in this world alone. But remember sin is still present on this earth. The lust of the flesh is still a struggle and the devil is still seeking whom he may devour (he leads sheep astray with deception and condemnation). 48 years in the instutional churches. Finally read the Word for myself and learned about the Reformation and counter-reformation. There are people trying to mislead you. Yes we are sinners and nothing at all, but Jesus Christ is our all in all. He is the WAY of salvation. This is why we follow Him and endure until the end. We do works because of love and gratitude of his shed blood on the cross to pay the penalty for sin and provide the way of forgiveness. The world (its ungodly system Satan's kingdom), the flesh (our unregenerate nature) and the devil (our spiritual enemy) these can be defeated through Jesus Christ as we walk. See Pilgrim's Progress for a great allegory. Hope this helps clarify things. Freedom IS in Christ Jesus so remain in the faith and endure in this faith until the end. The devil will try to pull you away, but that is why we put on our spiritual armor.
i john 1:9 Kenny we begin with a measure of faith and as we study the Word of God and pray, we grow in our trust and understanding of God and His ways. He knows our hearts. Salvation is by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone. It is a walk (continuous) it is a race: rewarded at the finish line (salvation of our souls). He saved us by giving us new life and drawing us to Himself. We believe and are converted as we repent (turn from sin and the way of destruction) and turn to Jesus Christ who is the Way, the Truth, the Life. We will mess up, but if we come to God, through Jesus Christ, He not only forgives us, but cleanses us from all untighteousness. It is like Peter getting a foot washing from Jesus. He was clean except for his feet because he walked in the world. I hope this helps as i see this was 2 years ago.
@hopeseeker97 , “we will mess up”... that’s not good. There’s not really any room for mess ups. You are correct that God is faithful to forgive when we repent, but keyword is “repent”, meaning we forsake sin and practice righteousness. There are people that sin daily and think they are repenting at the end of each day, but that’s not repentance. 1 John 3:8 “ *Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil* “
why would you even have to use warnings as a means to “keep” them if they couldn’t fall away? this made no sense. stop following john calvin’s teachings, and read the bible ONLY.
Just a heads up, there is a rabid Calvinist who laughingly calls himself тнє вєяєαη, on Gab who, rather than engage here, likes to take comments from TH-cam that he doesn't agree with, and, like a coward, refute them where no one is able to defend their stance. He has take your comment and used it to mock you, stating that you "don’t have a high view of Scriptures"
Warnings or guides are used as guidelines to keep things in order and preserve things. So with guidelines, the teachable and children of God do yield to the instructions of God given to them to preserve them. So the outcome is sure for the children of God because, like the sailors, they will yield to the counsel of how to go about life. But to the unruly, lawless, they won't subscribe to HIS voice and they will move out with the small boats and meet the doom that only happens to those thar don't listen to the warnings of God because they are not HIS in the first place. I hope this helps. The video is so wholesome and simple if we look at it again without bias.
@@kingsleyobiajunwa4361 This video only makes sense if viewed through the Calvinist bias, when you look at it again without bias, you see just how much it contradicts the Bible.
Too true that a born again believer is kept/preserved by Jesus Christ. What is overlooked is that the Lord takes us from being any longer under the law (Rom 5:15, 6:147:4,8, moral law written in our hearts) so that no longer are we found sinners. Which thing was also the rule in the OT, as David wrote in Rom 4:8, God no imputing any sin/fault vs us any more (2 Cor 5:19), not even remembering our sins any longer (Heb 8:1210:17). The reason also given for taking us from under the law is in Heb 6, for if He had not He would have to die a second time or more, which thing He could not do, for as a man like us He could only die ONE time, as written in Hebrews 9:26-28. Moving us from under the law means we do not sin any longer, even if as sons being conformed to His image we stumble (not fall!) and have faults/errors (He 9:7 Gal 6:1 Jude 1:24 1Cor 6:7 1 Pet 2:20). Christians are no longer sinners, but have faults and commit errors till the day they attain to ‘sinless perfection’ (Phil 3:12) on the other side, in heaven. Salvation as a gift of GOD by Christ cannot be lost, you are right!
@Jose Fernandez-Leon , no where in the Bible does it say we no longer have to obey God’s commandments, in fact quite the opposite. The only law that we are free from is the man made oral law of the Pharisees, which is referred to as tradition of the elders. Scripture is quite clear only those who are obedient to God’s commandments belong to Christ.
Joe Bolling No Joe, the Bible tells that believers are under the Commands to Believe in his Son and love one another 1John 3 (law of Christ). We live or walk by the power of the Indwelling Spirit of Christ in us, as we yield-submit-surrender to Him, our compass, not the Moral law which is for the conviction of one yet in unbelief 2 Tim 1. Try to do the 10 commandments in your own power and you, as every one else will surely likewise fail.
I think 1 Corinthians offers a great opportunity to debate... All the Jews in the wilderness were "saved", but when they refused to obey and wished to turn back they were "killed." Starting in 1 Corinthians Chapter 9 Paul talks about the "freedom" we have in Christ. He concludes that chapter with admonition to self-discipline "I strike a blow to my body and make it a slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize." You might argue that the "prize" is just "rewards in heaven." But Paul opens Chapter 10 to warn us from Israel's history: "...our ancestors were all under the same cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea... they all drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was CHRIST. Nevertheless, God was not pleased with MOST of them; their BODIES were scattered in the wilderness. Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did... So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't FALL!" Apostasy is real. Rejection of the faith is real. "Once saved always saved" isn't a concept from the Bible as far as I can read. If the "Chosen People" weren't "safe" out in the desert from apostasy then neither are we who may have once claimed allegiance to Christ but have "faith but not works" that James speaks of. As much as it is up to Christ, we are saved. As much as it is up to us we have the ability to "stand firm" in the faith... or to walk away or simply fall away through lack of a faith to keep us "in Christ."
Great point about Israels history warning. Also in 1 Corinthians Paul says that sinners will not inherit the kingdom of God even if they believe in Christ. Many people in Corinth heard the gospel and believed but continued to live immoral lifestyles thinking they had salvation but Paul made it clear, sexually immoral, liars, etc will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Hi, I'm a little confused. I think this video is about salvation in a spiritual sense, but all the examples you've given have talked about being saved in a physical sense, as if those people dying or "BODIES" being scattered in the wilderness is the same thing as their sould bring condemned. Spiritual salvation doesn't mean no harm will ever come to our bodies or that we won't die...
@@MJ-gm7km Do you believe that God would punish the Hebrews for breaking the 10 commandments in the desert by taking their life. Only to turn around and give them eternal life in heaven? What do you make of Ananias and Sapphira?
Rock was a type not literally the anointed one. Come on, let’s get serious and not say that was actually Christ, there. If so then I guess they drank his blood and ate his flesh at the last supper. You must let truth ring clear not false teaching. Yahuah speed.
My biggest problem with this thought is the example of King Saul in 1 Samuel 10 it says God's Spirit was upon him and he prophesied with the prophets, God clearly chose him and anointed him. Yet he still fell away. And even after God punished for his sin, it still seems that God's desire was still to redeem Saul if you follow David's mercy on him, and his unwillingness to kill a man God had chosen. I do not think they are idol warnings against falling away, but in the same regards, I don't think it is easy to fall away as slipping up either.
You are thinking well about the example of Saul, but don't be too confident to say "I don't think it is easy to fall away as slipping up either." The thing is if you define slipping up the wrong way, or someone who hears you gets the wrong idea, for instance, committing any sins of the flesh as those mentioned in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Colossians 3:5-10, Ephesians 5:3-5, even once every several months, that would be a deadly slip up. You cannot think lightly of any deliberate/willful sin. You can see how the warnings are given. Peace to you!
I think in studying this, the best conclusion I can draw and the reason for such confusion I can see is this. First we have assurance form God that no one or nothing can TAKE our salvation we see these ideas in Rom. 8:33-39 and John 10:27-29. But Salvation boils down to 2 simple things Rom. 10:9-10. 1 confess with your mouth...., and 2 believe in your heart. And a lot of the debate rest on the 2nd. The believing in your heart. Whether they did believe when they confessed and still do now. There is but one way, one thing we can do to be saved, and it revolves around the believing and receiving of Christ's sacrifice. With that there is just one way, one thing you can do to loose Salvation at its core, is to stop believing, to freely walk away. Nothing can TAKE it from you including our sin, that is our assurance as believers, but John 15:5-7, Jesus makes it clear it is possible to stop remaining in him. Other Scriptural warning back this up. Essentially no one TAKES your Salvation, you freely GIVE it up, by stop believing. Might I add that though sin can't take your salvation, it's continual practice clouds and corrupts the heart and mind, and leads you astray, further and further away from Christ. No Christian wakes up and simply says, I don't believe anymore, but they can slowly wonder further away from the truth, and the firmness of their belief and acceptance of Christ's gift, to the point they do no longer believe and then have Given up their Salvation.
When someone is truly saved they can't lose their Salvation. The natural response from the recipient is to do good works. Sanctification and fruit producing will happen in their life, Repentance and faith in Jesus. We are saved by His grace through Jesus Christ. They will endure in their faith until the end. If someone backslides like we all do, the truly saved end up always coming back and enduring. If someone falls away forever they were never truly saved. We receive a new heart, reborn, when truly saved. That new heart desires his righteousness. The natural response to a truly saved person is good works. Good works isn't what saves you. Its the response of receiving Salvation. We love Him therefore we obey Him. None of us could live up to the his moral law. We broke God's law. Jesus paid the fine. Many people say they are saved but they fall away and fruits were never produced. They were not truly saved. The seed did not take root. Through our working out of Salvation, we aren't sinless but we sin LESS
Not in all cases. This is the Calvinist doctrine that works prove salvation. Believers should do good works that were prepared for us by God but it does not follow that all believers will do good works. If any man's work is burned up at the Bema seat of judgment he himself will be saved but as through fire 🔥
@Kristina Harr Yes we definitely should do the good works that God has planned for us. However works and grace are independent of each other in regards to basic salvation. The same is not true of the sanctification process. However I agree that God will judge our hearts in regard to this matter.
Abide in Jesus' love: ▪John 15:9-10 9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love. That is the place to be without fear or doubts. Peace to you!
There is wisdom in fear thats how we know not to jump over the cliff. Allow your wisdom find a secure branch in which to purch. For me I have to go to a sex addicts group to learn not to masterbait. You may have to make some changes get some help by people you know wont judge you.
I fear that this can be "tricky.." When we receive Jesus Christ as our Lord & Savior we obviously should desire to live in a way that pleases Him. We won't be perfect as long as we are "in this world" but we should not be "of this world" either. That said, I have seen people take God's grace as a sort of license to sin....
The grace of God is not a license to sin, nor is it a freedom away from God’s punishment. Grace is God's providence of his will that is freely given to men to allow and enable them to live by the gospel (Titus 2:11-12). Believers are told in the gospel not to continue to live in sin so that they will not fall away from grace- “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid” (Romans 6:1-2).
Hog wash. You are saying that these warnings really have no weight. In other words they are lies. Like when you threaten your child with something if they don’t listen and obey. But the child knows you are just bluffing, or lying. Almighty God does not need to make false threats. Nor could He. For He cannot lie.
I believe he has made the point for the other side of his argument ...using Paul's ship example.. If they were allowed to leave the ship they would perish making the point he is arguing for.
Hebrews is addressed to believing Jews who are confused about the salvation of Jesus Christ and the yearly Temple sacrifices. It is a bulkhead against thinking that they needed to go every year and sacrifice the lamb. Jesus is the lamb and He can not be sacrificed again and again. I think this is where believers get confused when they read Hebrews 6. They impose the context of this chapter onto themselves.
Why? When you know right from wrong and choose to do wrong (sin), that's not an excusable accident. That's you telling God you know his ways and you reject them. The Bible surely has warnings against such things, but some will say they mean something else. Ultimately, all believers need to *abide in Jesus* and relate to what this scripture says: 1 John 3:6 Whoever abides in Him [Jesus] *does not sin.* Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
@@yestothetruth So you are saying that once you were saved you never sinned? I am so glad I know that my heavenly Father understands our frailties and forgives us if we confess our sins. Think of David, Peter, the story of the lost sheep, prodigal son.They all fell away but God did not abandoned them.
@@jeffszmiett2600 Listen to the argument you want to make. So, it is impossible for you to say that once you married a woman you never went out to be unfaithful to her (something you already know is wrong)? Is that really impossible if you love your spouse? I invite you to think of your relationship with Jesus as a marriage and what you meant when you said "I do" (want to follow you / live for you). To be clear, deliberate sinning has no place in the life of someone who got saved. That's what sinners get saved from (that's the life they were trapped in before getting saved). You may want to be soft on sin, but God is not and the sooner you find that out the better. Please read Galatians 5:19-21 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and understand these sins come from rebellion, that's why they are willful sins and will stop someone from inheriting the kingdom of God if they do not repent of them. And repentance does not mean you keep on confessing a sin, like saying to God, "oops, I have sinned again." No, God knows if you are serious about turning away from sin once and for all or if you are double-minded like you should not be (James 4:8). Why don't you believe 1 John 3:6 and seriously seek to understand what it means to abide in Jesus and stop sinning? That's not the only verse that will show you God wants you to stop sinning. What effort will you put into finding what the Bible says on this matter? If you don't hate sin like God hates sin (Jesus died because of our sins), then you won't want to find out, being happy to believe the lie that the wages of sin is 'not' death, or that a life of sinning isn't what you were supposed to get saved from in the first place. *But* this is the truth: "The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ Our Lord" (Romans 6:23).
@@yestothetruth As a Christian it is my desire to love and serve Christ. But being human we possess two natures the old (the one we are born with) and the new (the sinless one when born again). In Romans 7-14 to 25 Paul talks about the Christian struggle. Also I believe a Christian cannot lose salvation because he never found it. You belong and cannot lose it,nothing can take it out of His hands. Eph 2-8 9 it is a gift and everyone of our sins are punished on Calvary and are covered by the blood. I am not saying that if and when we do sin we will not suffer consequences. But like a good parent God still loves us and disciplines those He loves. I am so grateful to have such a loving heavenly Father.
@@jeffszmiett2600 Unfortunately, you are believing many false things that will stop you from living a life pleasing to God and thinking it's some "human" thing. Let's start with Romans 7:14-25 that does not describe a "born again" believer to begin with. Yet, you believe it's about "the Christians struggle". You are in a dead end believing that and truth is the way out. Please see that Romans 7:14-25 is describing a man in his struggles under the Law (of Moses) and not a new creation in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). In other words, it's not Paul the apostle, who then certainly had been born again, and was "under grace" who was struggling in Romans 7 to not do wrong when he wanted to do right. That is a contradiction to having power over sin as is the case for someone who has been saved by grace: Romans 6:14 For *sin will not have dominion over you. For you are not under the law, but under grace.* And see that in Romans 7 he is speaking about seeking who would deliver him, and he found his deliverance in Christ and this was the result (the point of being "saved" actually): Romans 8:1-2 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, *who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.* 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me *free from the law of sin and death.* Romans 8:2 is the exact opposite of the situation in Romans 7:23 where he spoke about being in captivity to the law of sin working in his members. I will put this before you again for you to deal with your unbelief about what it says: Ultimately, all believers need to be embracing and experiencing this: 1 John 3:6 Whoever abides in Him [Jesus] *does not sin.* Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
It's strange... I've been reading Pilgrim's Progress - and there are parts, that I suppose would sightly encompass the warning passages, about one who did not heed the Word. It's quite frightening to have the image from the story of the man in a cage waiting for judgement without any hope of being reconciled.
If you have been born again, your life has been transformed. It is like when the worm becomes a butterfly. There is no going back. The butterfly can get into a mess, but it is still a butterfly. Salvation is a gift from God. He does not take back His gifts. Jesus will leave the 99 and go after the lost sheep.
If you commit new sins *after* Christ has paid for your sins, you’ve created new debt that *hasn’t* yet been paid. That doesn’t mean God takes his gift away and puts those past sins back on you again, but it does present a problem for your salvation from those new sins. You’ll need to repent and *not* be a dog that returns to its vomit.
That may be nice hyperbole, but it is not consistent with the Bible, I'm afraid. If you would like to examine why not, here is a channel which will lay it out in detail. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
Sure Jesus paid the penalty for sin so that is DONE, but we are to fight the good fight of faith and to endure until the end. How many times do I have to explain it is about FAITH. Jesus is the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. So if you are still placing your faith in Jesus Christ and do so until the end then praise God! Accepting Jesus is like accepting what a doctor says about you having cancer and needing surgery to remove it. The true test of faith is when you completely surrender yourself and lay down to let him work on you and remove that cancer. Just as it is with Jesus Christ. He is our all in all. He is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. Endure until the end. Don't be deceived. Cmon now why are these things even in the bible if we are OSAS? 😔
@@hopeseeker97 I don't know you. If you're not confident in the blood of Christ, then I'm sorry to hear that. I know I'm saved. I'm not scared. I have righteousness, joy, and peace in the Holy Spirit. Enduring to the end, Jesus was talking to His Jewish disciples about the time of Jacob's trouble, not to the Church. If that makes you uncomfortable, well...I don't know what else to tell you, but that I hope you receive it for yourself. Have a good day.
Sorry doesn't make sense. If God warns us of the consequence of falling away to keep us from falling away as you suggested, then it shows that there's the possibility of us falling away. So this logically means we CAN lose our salvation. Yes, God will bring us to the end, whether we are faithful or faithless. However, we will lose it only when WE decide to leave Him. God will not force us to accept Him. "If we disown Him, He will also disown us." 2 Tim 2:12b
Is the old children's story about the turtle and the hair about a frog and a rat?? No of course not!!. What about the narrative of salvation is so hard for people to grasp.?? If you " fall away" from "your faith" in christ.. well then it wasn't true salvation!! Wasn't true conversion. To say that one can loose salvation is to call jesus a liar.. (John 6:39- "and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose none of those he has given me and I shall raise them up on the last day.")
There are many things in the bible that can be debated. As much as there are things that need no argument over them. These are facts... 2+2=4. There is no debate here. "The sky is blue..." possible debate.. "the Nephilim are descendants of angels." Possible debate..." Jesus is God" No debate... " Is salvation earned?" No!!! No debate!!! Why?... because of the hundreds of times both implied and stated that its not!!! That's why!!! Its fact. And must be used as a point of " test reference" when understanding the scriptures. If it contradicts this point then its simply inncorect!!! If I have 4 of something and I started with only 2 of something then logically 2 more [something's] were added at some point for me to currently behold a total sum of 4. It's a simple train of logic that follows a basic pattern of deductive reasoning. What is difficult about this?... nothing!!
@@brianclarke5213 . He "will not lose" those who are His. As long as we want to accept and remain in Him, no one can snatch us out of His hand. I repeat from the Bible: "if we disown Him, He will ALSO disown us." 2 Tim 2:12b. Plain and simple. No need for any debate.
But your missing the point of your own argument... No one who is one of the true chosen of christ would ever willingly denounce christ. There's a big difference between renouncing your faith and having a lack of self control over the flesh. That lack of self control is one of the reasons we needed a savior in the first place. We as humans will never have complete self control over ourselves. If it were possible then Jesus wouldn't have had to die.
@@brianclarke5213 Mr. Steel. You may want to take a fresh look at the gospel and what it expects of you. For to whom much is given, much is expected. Here is a channel which may give you a new perspective all based on the consistency of the scriptures. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
Dandara, You are not fallen away. We must use context when reading any passage and understand to whom the writer is speaking to and what was going on during that time. I feel strongly that because of the audience (the Hebrews) and the pressure to “go back” to Judaism, that the author of Hebrews meant that was the meaning for “fallen away”. Ask for yourself some questions, are you relying on ‘your’ works to get you into Heaven? Because that is basically what Judaism, and many Christian denominations for that matter, operate in….observing Jewish feasts, adhering to food laws, “trying” to be good, all this in order to ‘be right’ with God and maintain/obtain everlasting life (salvation). Once you believe Dandara, believe who Jesus is, what He did and why (the Gospel), You are saved! He does not take back the eternal life that he gave you. You are saved BY Grace THROUGH faith, Amen! Now, stop living in terror/fear and serve the Lord, abide in Him daily and TRUST in His finished work on the cross. God Bless you.
Dandara Brito You will know that you are not fallen away from the grace of God if you continue to live by obeying and doing the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ; otherwise you will be tossed out. Yes, you can lose your salvation my friend. We only have the *Hope of salvation* (1 Thessalonians 5:8); not the fullness of our salvation. We are not completely saved yet, not until the day of the redemption of the purchased possession comes (Eph. 1:14), which is the resurrection. In between time, while we are in this present time, our salvation is *CONDITIONAL* depending on how we live our lives according to the gospel (Romans 2:16; 16:25 & 2 Corinthians 15:2). The Lord is very clear in saying that it is *ONLY* if we *CONTINUE* to abide in him and *CONTINUE* to bear fruits as believers that we can not be cut off from him (see John 15:2, 6). Salvation is conditional in the present time. Paul said that if we continue in the faith then God will also continue to be good to us. He said "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, *goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."* (Romans 11:22). Salvation is conditional because we are not yet completely saved. We are only completely justified by faith (Eph. 2:8-9); and justification is not salvation in the context of its entirety.
@@paeng46 what do you say about someone who fell from grace and is in your opinion not saved anymore, can this person be saved again? What if a person wilfully sins, repents, wilfully sins, repents. Will this person be accepted again?
@@ng9565 He only needs to repent and return to God. The story of The Lost Son (or some calls it The Prodigal Son) in Luke 15:11-32 is enough to tell us that God is willing to take us back to himself only if we repent.
Please don't believe the heresy about loosing your salvation. What you need to understand is that salvation is a free gift. You don't work for it. All you have to do is accept it and it will set you free. You will have the assurance and peace that you are saved. Praise the lord and go please him however you can. If you stumble, don't be discouraged, you're still his child and are saved. Get up again, dust yourself off, and continue living in the light. Living in the light means you are aware of the sins now. You will always be his child, but it's important to grow in your love for him by not letting yourself go hungry spiritually so you don't feel what you are feeling. You eat everyday to feed your body, get a bite of his word everyday too, even if you don't understand it initially. Have peace and assurance in his promise for your salvation.
What about David......he fell away with Bathsheba and then murdered Uriah to cover himself......until Nathan confronted him he fell away but didn't lose his salvation although always had it...... He asked the Lord in Psalm 51 to restore unto him the joy of your salvation......not the actual salvation itself.......my point is that not everyone who falls away was never saved to begin with.....I know of people who backslid yet came back to the Lord. ..
Yes people who backslide can come back to the Father. In the o.t. if you sin and die in iniquity you will go to the lake of fire although the o.t. doesn't talk about Gehenna(mistakenly called hell in the n.t. hell just means grave). In the n.t. it's probably the same but we know about Gehenna/lake of fire and I believe it works as a deterrent. If we sin as Christians we should ask for forgiveness I'm not sure if we'll end up in Gehenna if we die without asking the Father to forgive us yet, no one can take us out of the hands of the holy Trinity (John 10:27-29). Maybe we can't take ourselves out of the hands of the holy Trinity but, I believe we should obey everything found in the 27 books of the new testament and learn from the 39 books of the old testament. Get a KJV it's the best bible in English. The majority text is the real new testament manuscript and I believe we should study all the old testament manuscripts because I read online that the quotes found in the new testament agree in differing manuscripts. For example there might be a quote the agrees with the Septuagint but not the Masoretic text and vice versa. I pray God helps us in our race to be like Jesus and grow the fruits of the holy spirit in the name of Lord Jesus amen
SALVATION IS A GIFT FROM THE LORD. HE FREELY GIFTS IT TO ALL WHO CALL UPON HIM. ONCE RECIEVED, THE HOLY SPIRIT FREES YOU FROM BONDAGE AND YOU BECOME A NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST, YOUR OLD SELF IS PUT TO DEATH. ENTERING YOU INTO THE VERY BODY OF CHRIST. YOUR SOUL SHIFTS, SEEKING THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD RATHER THAN THE SINS OF THIS WORLD. HE WILL LIFT THE VEIL, YOU WILL SEE SIN FOR WHAT IT IS, THE FEAR OF THE LORD WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU, THE LORD WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU. (JEREMIAH 32:38-42) WE ALL LIVED IN REBELLION AGAINST GOD BEFORE HE LOOKED AT US IN LOVE AND MERCY, FREEING US FROM OURSELVES. SALVATION IS A GIFT AND ONCE RECEIVED IT IS ETERNAL. ANYONE WHO PREACHES A DIFFERENT GOSPEL LET THEM BE ACCURSED.
SALVATION IS BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST ALONE. NOTE THAT HE IS THE WAY OF SAVATION SO SINCE WE ARE SAVED THROUGH FAITH WE MUST EXAMINE OURSELVES TO SEE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE FAITH (THAT JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES TAUGHT). TO CLAIM THAT THERE IS NOTHING WE DO AFTER IS UNBIBLICAL. HE GIVES US ALL THINGS BUT WE CAN BE DECEIVED AND LED ASTRAY THUS DEPARTING FROM THE FAITH. IM ONLY USING CAPS BECAUSE YOU DID. SALVATION IS ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST. YOU MUST REMAIN IN HIM. HE TAUGHT US HOW TO DO THAT. PLEASE LOOK AT ALL THE IF'S.
Dear brothers and sisters and friends, Do consider David Pawson’s interpretation on this subject. David Pawson was a man who feared God enough that he could not accept the idea “Once saved always saved”. He sincerely warned about this idea, I am thankful that he did as it restored my fear of God. “Once saved always saved” is dangerous and ignorant of Jesus’ solemn warnings about losing our salvation. These warnings are throughout the New Testaments, many begin in the gospel of Matthew. In David’s book “Once Saved Always Saved?”, he pointed out in the NT alone, there is 80 passages that warn about losing salvation. He explained that the word “saved” is used in three different tenses in the NT: past, present and future. Which indicates that salvation is a process not yet complete. I sure believe that salvation is God’s grace and cannot be earned, but not that it cannot be lost before it is complete, as Jesus warned. We need to be fearful also for the things we must do but do not do because we are afraid or find excuses to not do them, especially our calling. (Matthew 25:24-30) Finally, let’s make every effort to be holy, for without holiness no one will see the Lord. (Hebrews 12)
Wai Hong So if a believer struggles with an sinful addiction, but feels terrible about it every day and repents every day, saying “I will do better tomorrow” and asks for God’s forgiveness, always trying not o do it again but failing ... they aren’t saved? So they’ll go to hell when they die, even though they’ve accepted Jesus as their Savior? I’m just asking because I don’t know what to think about OSAS.
@@LVGirl4 Hi, thank you for your comment. I encourage you to listen to David Pawson’s sermons on OSAS, and then go back to the Bible and read again for yourself, as he always told his listeners to not believe what he said without going back to the Bible. To summarize a few things David stressed in his sermons: 1. Salvation is a process. The word “saved” occurs in the Bible in past, present and future tense, And future tense is most emphasized. We are not saved yet until we get to heaven, we only Begin our salvation when we accept Christ. 2. Christians can backslide, and it can come to a point of no return. NT is full of passages that warn us to continue in faith, abide in Christ, endure to the end, or our names will be rubbed out from the book of life, we’ll be cut off and thrown into the fire and burned. 3. Assurance of salvation comes when we walk in the Spirit. We lose our assurance when we walk not in the Spirit. There are many more he mentioned, he gave a clear representation of his careful analysis on this issue. I believe if we read Jesus’ commandments with a good conscience, we would be terrified, because many of them have a warning at the end. In light of that, I cannot believe in an ‘eternal security’ like OSAS, which considers Jesus’ warnings less serious than they actually are.
People who think that salvation can be lost need to actually think instead of refusing to do such a thing... How can one lose something that is eternal? We are promised eternal life by God when we get saved, so if Once Saved, Always Saved isn't true then that makes God a liar. You can't lose something that is eternal otherwise it isn't eternal to begin with.
"He who believes in him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten son of God" (John 3:18) There is a widespread error that although we have been saved by trusting Jesus we need to do something to stay saved, the people who have been deceived by this idea fail to realize that we can no more deserve to stay saved than we deserved to become saved in the first place, we need to realize that everything is based on the holy blood shed for us at Calvary, Jesus was crucified, buried, and rose 3 days later in victory!, if we must do things in order to sustain our salvation then we are obviously saying we earned our salvation, and if we earned it then its not a free gift, we need to consider the words of Jesus "Truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has 👉eternal life👈 and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (John 5:24) None of us are righteous apart from Christ, the only righteousness you and I can obtain has to come through our faith in what Christ did! We receive HIS imputed righteousness when we place our faith in the gospel and not in our own dead works! "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that Holy Spirit of promise", (Ephesians 1:13 KJV) When you are sealed you do not come un-sealed. God wants you to rest in assurance and carry the confidence in knowing you are eternally secured. "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may 👉know👈 that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God". ( 1 John 5:13 KJV) Jesus + nothing = everything Everything - Jesus = nothing
You’re preaching precisely what Satan preached in Eden, the doctrine of demons, that you can sin without fear. God isn’t stuck with you because of a few magic words.
@Def Razer , if you truly believe the Word of God you know that if your nonsense causes an actual child of God to stumble (sin against God’s commandments), you’re in for a world of hurt 😞
If the warnings are not for true believers, to whom are the warning addressed? You cannot give warning to unbelievers of being fallen away, for they do not yet belong to Christ.
Warnings are always helpful, especially warnings for drivers when they are on the road. Those who are aware, and care for their safety, will heed the warnings, but those who never cared to begin with are a danger to themselves and others.
We all "fall away" from time-to-time as all will sin, so I find his analogy confusing to someone in search of this answer. I could be wrong, but I believe it takes a purposeful and conscious effort of rebuking and denying him to lose one's salvation.
If we are faithless He remains faithful 2 tim 2:13. Calvinist hates this verse. We indeed fall away in fact all of us. Jesus said to the disciples, you will all fall away Mark 14:27 because we are not perfect. You can't lose your salvation for Jesus asked you to believe only. Once you believe you have eternal life forever you are saved. But if you don't believe you have eternal life forever then not. People want to replace eternal with temporal, notice that?
@@guitartech362 Its not just believe, it's REPENT & BELIEVE. If you believe without repenting that's not salvation. You can't believe without repenting and you can't repent without believing. Some people say sinners prayer then they live like the rest of the world and think they're saved. True salvation produces fruits of the spirit. Good works will not save you but good works are the evidence that you are saved. Ye must be born again.
@jlbush8249 You said, "We all "fall away" from time-to-time." That shows you have a misunderstanding of what falling away means. "All will sin" is also an incorrect assumption. What do you do with scriptures like this: 1 John 3:6 Whoever abides in Him [Jesus] *does not sin.* Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. Romans 6:14 For *sin will not have dominion over you. For you are not under the law, but under grace.* If you are tempted to present another scripture, then any such scripture will not eliminate the clear sense of these. Many use scriptures that way. But you are correct in saying "I believe it takes a purposeful and conscious effort of rebuking and denying him to lose one's salvation." And the result of that is stopping to abide in Jesus and falling away. Examine your understanding of abiding in Jesus. I hope that will bring some light on this issue for you: 1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. John 15:4-6, 9-10 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. 9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love. 1 John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. These things in 1 John are not just true for everyone. They are true for those who have been born again, who have experienced the "washing and regeneration by the Holy Spirit" (Titus 3:5), who have thus become a new creation in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15), and are abiding in Him (1 John 3:6). Falling away from Christ is not something that can keep on happening if someone has understood what walking with Christ is about and that person was in agreement with that. Then the person may have one opportunity to make things right again with God (see Revelation 2:2-5 to see how Jesus addressed believers who had left the right way of abiding in Him). There is no guarantee that there will be unlimited opportunities to return to a relationship with Jesus after having fallen away from Him.
Great example on how we do our best to be sober minded in the truth and by being obedient. Allowing Jesus to Lord over us will help. I thank God that if and when we sin unwillingly and unknowingly, we have his grace to repent and renew.
Hebrews 10:26-31 (26) For if we go on sinning willingly after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, (27) but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. (28) Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. (29) How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? (30) For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” (31) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Hebrews six 4-six proves we cannot lose our salvation. If we could, that would make God a liar. John six:47. And if you could, you would have already. For it is impossible to one who has tasted the heavenly gift and the seal of the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13, if they should fall away to renew them to repentance. Repentance for salvation means to change your mind and trust Jesus as the only way of salvation apart from works. Our works can not save sinners. Only Jesus paid our sin debt in full,. past, present, and future sins. Romans 4:six-8. He is not going to come back and do it again. First John 2:2. And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. But, only those who believe it are saved, sealed by the Holy Spirit and can never be condemned again. John 3:18
I disagree. You are basically saying that God's warnings are just bluffs. Like he says we will lose our salvation but only as a means to keep us in line? No. He does indeed keep his sheep, the lineage of Adam, Abraham, Jesus. He isn't going to keep ALL sheep. He will destroy us if he has to, and he is justified in doing so because we are his creation. The warnings are very real. Repent.
I don't find this explanation compelling. To be sure, there is a tension here in Scripture which I have in no way resolved-and to be clear, I do NOT believe that one can lose their salvation. Nonetheless, the passages in question do not strike me as "empty threats" (Romans 11 comes to mind). Using this line of thought, we could eventually reason that all threats, or all conditional statements in the Bible are simply rhetorical. God is the Author of order, not chaos; so there must be a way to harmonize these seemingly contradictory passages regarding the eternal security of the elect. But I'm not convinced that these very bold and clear statements indicating the real possibility of apostasy can be dismissed simply by qualifying them as "empty threats", the spiritual equivalent of elf on a shelf. If we can resolve difficult passages simply by saying, "they don't actually mean what they say", what's to keep us from doing the same thing with other parts of Scripture? Isn't that essentially the same hermenuetical acrobatic that those who argue that the Bible does not actually condemn homosexuality have employed for many years? Thank you Dr. Schreiner for your work and ministry!
Your argument seems to support the exact opposite conclusion that you draw. You may be interested in taking a fresh look at the Biblical gospel where all of the points you mention are harmonized. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
@@herbshattuck6269 It seems to me, as the video acknowledges, that there are verses in the Bible which warn of the real possibility of apostasy. This would seem to conflict with the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints. My "conclusion" is that there must be a way in which all Scripture pertaining to salvation fits together harmoniously, a way which I have not yet discerned. Dr. Schreiner's attempt at harmonizing this paradox is to suggest that the verses in question are rhetorical with the intent of being a warning. My response is that I do not find this particular explanation compelling, even though I do believe that one cannot "lose their salvation". Schreiner's attempt to reconcile this paradox feels a little hamfisted to me. ~ BTW, I followed the link you sent me, but only found a collection of videos - if you could specify the video(s) you think address this subject, I would be very interested in watching them. Thanks for your help.
@@rgalarza2 Thank you for your respectful and reasoned reply. Revelation 14:12 New American Standard Bible 12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. The collection of videos is not random. It systematically develops a theological model which I would propose is air tight and in accordance with all of the scriptures. If you desire to find a gospel where troubling verses do not need to be either mangled or ignored, this is what it offers. When I discovered it it was like a breath of fresh are, equally exciting and horrifying when you begin to recognize how divergent the gospel has become from what the scriptures teach. So if you would like to understand the gospel in such a way that will allow you to answer literally any objection in a clear and confident manner, then I think that this series may be something worth giving time to. If you have questions along the way or need clarification, there is an email address on every video. Thank you again. May the Spirit of the Living God lead you to the Truth.
@@herbshattuck6269 Ah, I see: it's a collection of videos meant to be listened to as a series. Well, I will try - I want to rightly divide God's word! I am convinced that since there is one Author for Scripture, there must be solutions for some of the paradoxes we find therein. Thanks for the encouragement bro! Blessings!
@@rgalarza2 I worry that we tend to mental gymnastics and overly complex apologetics where things like this are concerned. God doesn't erase your name every time you sin and write it back down as you repent... Your name is either in the book of life or it isn't. The book of the Revelation clearly states that only the Lamb is worthy to open the book and He does that at judgement... Until then it is sealed. If your name is not found in the book you were never saved in the first place, just living in a way that led you to believe you were. It's frightening for sure, and it motivates us all to live a Christ like life and give no place to the devil.
You have created a papist straw man that allows you to think your error is the true gospel. It is so easy to categorize something so that you will not have dig for the truth. With all grace to you, you should reexamine what you have been told because you have been and are being lied to, I'm afraid. If you can accept that there might be a possibility that you have bought into a false gospel then here is a link which lays out the Biblical gospel, step-by-step. You may just find this to be a turning point. I hope so. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
This is real simple. Read the parable of the prodigal son ( more appropriately should be called “the forgiving father”). If we blow it, our father is waiting and watching for our return to him.
There has to be a turning point from "blowing it", otherwise, it will be a total loss for the son to remain in the pig pen of sin, even though the father was waiting and watching for his return. So, the real simple question based on the prodigal son's parable is to ask, "If the son does not repent and return to his father (not to go back away into sin again), will he receive his inheritance? 1 Corinthians 6:9 warns believers that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God.
@@yestothetruth the point of the parable not only magnifies the Father’s love and gladness for the son’s return, it clearly shows the Father is always thinking well of the son even though he is lost. The father does not go get the son. The son has to decide that for himself. It is the same for us all. We choose life or thrust it from us. We decide our own fate. God cannot deny His laws of life. If we choose to turn our backs on Him, it will be a heartbreak for Him. There’s nothing He can do for us. But if we return to Him, He throws a party and makes us the guest of honor. There are those who are sons of the wicked one that are destined for wrath. These are men of great darkness. But for the sons of God, even though they screw some things up, they are still His kids and He will never forsake them.
@@gladtidings6020 They are still his kids and He will never forsake them does not mean He will go and get them out of their rebellious ways. And you said rightly that the father doesn't go get the son; he has to decide for himself to return. This video's message is based on the Once Saved Always Saved lie. And OSAS teachers are happy to skip the requirement of repentance in a case of having gone away from the Father. It's not just a matter of the Father waiting. Screwing up can have the consequence of death/not inheriting the kingdom of God if repentance doesn't follow. In your conclusion you do not mention repentance and seem to suggest that the child of God is secure after his screw up because the Father won't forsake him. But if he is the one who has forsaken his father, that doesn't mean he must have been a son of the wicked one. No, he got himself in a 2 Peter 2:20 situation and would better hope to find God's mercy. That kind of "screw up" is serious. There is no such thing as assurance of salvation because the Father won't forsake. That's not the message of Jesus to people who have screwed up (see Revelation 2 and 3, 5 cases, 5 calls to repentance). I'll be clear. By screwing up, I mean knowing right from wrong and choosing to do wrong (sin). That is not a "no big deal" kind of situation for a child of God, regardless of the Father's anticipation of his son/daughter's return.
@Rob Pal What your saying is the false, the verse he is referring to talks about us not being blotted out of the book of life if we overcome the world. 1John 5:5 says that the people who overcome are those who have believed that Jesus is the son God. On top of that, how are we puppets when all we are doing is accepting a gifted already earned by Jesus Christ? We don't have to live in any certain way to be saved because christ lived perfectly for us. We should try our best to live like christ or we face chastisement but we know no matter how we live we are still saved once you have believed. The problem with many Christians is that they act like it is there faith is what earned their salvation. All our faith did was accept a never-ending gift that was already earned for ur by christ.
JD, it is NOT saying you can be blotted out, it is saying you CANNOT BE BLOTTED OUT! Why? Who is a overcomer? The verse JD, Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 1John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 1John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 1John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. LOOK close here, Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. >>>>> , whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. God Bless JD.
I would say that everyone’s name is written in the book of life. But when you die in your sins, rejecting Christ your name is blotted out. Your name can’t be blotted our if it was never written to begin with
@@brandontaylor2541 This is what I think, Everyone who was ever born , their name is written down in the book of life. But if you die, NOT saved saved, then your name will be blotted out. Once you die, there are no more ways of getting saved. But in this lifetime, we only have Jesus & I find that many do NOT like that choice.
I like this answer a lot because i felt that people tried to get around the scriptures stating against once saved always saved. This answer answers why the scriptures sound like you can lose your salvation very clearly.
Is it so clear Michael? Explain these verses ,Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Explain how you break this seal?
@@tommy.1002 That is easy Tommy. Paul is addressing those that are faithful and IN HIM. That is the condition that allows Paul to make these pronouncements. th-cam.com/video/hErAfzXyq1o/w-d-xo.html
@@herbshattuck6269 I see you are not understanding it either. There is NO condition in getting the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, How long does God seal the believer? Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. >>>>>>>> whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Forgive me, but I do not click on links. Way I see it is the time you accept the truth of Jesus God seals you with the Holy Spirit. It goes by the way Jesus says I will not leave you comfortless. John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. yet Paul says sealed unto the day of redemption. 1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. so going by scriptures, how does a person loose the Holy Spirit?
@@eternalsecurityofthesaints9581 Opinions? rights to have yours? that's not really my point! more about truth of things! do you have a right to believe false claims? in a god example! in a sense yes! if you don't bother anyone with it! but it doesn't quite work that way! in life! or do you think it does? do you therefore have the right to torture and kill people? who do not believe? and tell them how to live because you believe something? people who don't! be punished! and killed! while there is no evidence that this is the case? that god exists! is made because of that is already fake! no! not really! that's not an opinion! and you don't have that right! because you believe in something stupid! believing in god and satan doesn't mean you can play for god and satan? that's madness! far from good! pure evil! if you really think about it! threaten people to go to hell and all that nonsense is just madness! based on nothing! that's not just an opinion? say you're doing everything for good! while most bad things are done out of goodness! that's not just an opinion? your opinion does have consequences! believers often forget that because they think god is for them! also based on nothing!
Thank you for the clear presentation, Dr. Schreiner. I have a question. If the warning passages are (one of) the means by which all true believers persevere to the end, wouldn't that mean that true believers actually have to acknowledge that the warning passages speak truthfully - that is, acknowledge that true believers can finally fall any? As someone who used to be Reformed in my view of salvation, I can say that I did not believe the warning passages spoke of true believers falling away. In other words, I did not feel the "weight" of the warnings, because I knew in my heart that I could never really lose my secure place of salvation. It seems that the warning passages need to be able to strike holy fear in someone, believing that they can truly fall away, before these passages can have the effect you are suggesting. Could you please address this issue?
Owen Kelly This is precisely why I simply cannot accept the traditional reformed view. If we assume 1) that the warnings are for true believers, and 2) that true believers cannot lose salvation, then it seems that God would be intentionally deceiving and frightening His people with false rhetoric, which is absurd.
Friend, ready for a friendly discussion. I am not a calvinist and dont agree with the reformed view. However, i dont agree with Arminians....a believer cannot lose his salvation. The gospel is....Christ died for our sins and rose again. When Christ died for your sins, how many of them did He die for? - i believe eternal security is a VERY important doctrine, as one then "believes" in himself to hopefully be good enough. Acts 13:39 - and by Him, all that believe are justified from ALL things. God can and will discipline His children.....but will never lose one (John). with respect,
@@prestongreene7489 True the scripture says no one is cast off by the Lord forever. It would appear Arminianists and the Calvinists are still yet to understand that you are saved by Christ accepting you, not you accepting Christ and that we are saved solely by his blood/mercy, we are asked to believe and be saved, belief is not a whole, but a measure, is not a condition for salvation, otherwise the cross would not have been needed.
Salvation is a very simple IF/THEN statement. IF you place your faith in Christ, THEN you will receive Salvation, IF, after placing your faith in Christ, you take that faith and place it elsewhere, THEN you walk away from that Salvation. There is no predestination, God does not make the decision for you, you are not a puppet, you have free will and you do not give up that free will when you are saved. When someone walks away from Salvation, it does not mean that they were never saved to begin with. All of these word games people play to push false doctrine are not supported by Scripture.
@Kristina Harr Thinking that Judas wasn't saved is a false assumption. I believe that he was saved at one point but chose to walk away from Salvation when he betrayed Christ. The warnings of the Bible against apostasy are there for a reason, Judas is the perfect example of what can happen.
If we take the bible as it says it, it says if they leave, then they weren't truly believers (as you put it intentionally walk away after learning the truth, and rejecting Christ or fall away completely). People keep saying Calvinist this Calvinist that, please speak plainly so others understand please.
Let me ask you this question, If God lives in eternity, doesn't that mean he knows both the past and present simultaneously right? So doesn't that mean he is already aware of who will be saved, who will accept him, and who will not accept him? It's not predestination to understand that God foreknows everything, buuuut it doesn't negate free will, we arn't aware of who will accept or decline Jesus, but we can see when someone chooses, that at the very least, they are either not truly a believer or are just "backsliding" but God will continue to pursue his lost sheep. Is that fair?
@@studypersonaldevelopment813 "If we take the bible as it says it, it says if they leave, then they weren't truly believers' No, it does not say that. In fact, Paul's letter to Timothy was concerning true believers and was a strong warning against apostasy.
I thought the key was who Paul was addressing. Context is everything. Paul was addressing Jews who converted and then went back to Judaism. Paul was saying there is no salvation going back to temple worship.
When the Bible uses the Jews and/or Israel in the Old Testament to illustrate the point of the message, it implicates a spiritual truth as an example (Hebrews 4:11; 2 Peter 2:6 & Jude 1:7).
Isn't clear that IF the sailors stayed on the boat, ALL will live. But, IF they left despite of the warning, they aren't guaranteed to live? Likewise, if a believer WILLINGLY decides to fall away from the faith despite hearing the warnings in the Word, does God still guarantee they shall see the Kingdom? I do hold on to the notion that a true believer in-dwelt by the Holy Spirit will never fall away, struggle with sin, yes, but not renounce Christ till the end of their race.
I reject that notion. Some people enter Christianity and leave for whatever reasons. But to just assume the person was really saved is just begging the question.
@@TexasHoosier3118 I agree. It begets the question if they were truly born again or ever IN Christ to begin with. People may grow up in a Christian home and have knowledge about Christianity or rather churchianity, and that doesn't guarantee they understood and embraced the true gospel in repentance leading to salvation.
So his reasoning is; A Christian can’t fall away and the passages that warn the Christian they can fall away are there to keep the Christian from falling away even though the Christian can’t fall away…🤔
The same God who ordains the end also ordains the means to that end. Although God's elect are chosen in Christ from the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4), God saves us within time by our faith in Christ through the preaching of the Gospel (1 Cor. 1:21, Romans 10:14-17) and commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30) and to seek the Lord while He may be found (Isa. 55:6). God's sovereignty and our responsibility are not at odds, but work together, both as regards our conversion and our perseverance. The promises and warnings in Scripture are means God uses for our perseverance just as the preaching of the Gospel is the usual means He uses to call us to repentance and to awaken saving faith in Christ. Jesus promised that His sheep would hear His voice and follow Him (John 10:27), while to those who rejected Him He said, "He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God" (John 8:47). The warnings are spoken to everyone, but they only benefit those who receive them with humility and faith. God also uses these warnings to awaken those who are resting in a false assurance and to warn them of the danger of presumption. Christ knows His sheep, but we don't always. Sadly, there are many who believe themselves to be saved, but will hear Christ say at the judgment, "I never knew you: depart from me, you who work iniquity" (Matt. 7:23). God's Word is a sharp two-edged sword that cuts clean between what is true and what is false or spurious so that those who profess faith in Christ may be able to examine and prove themselves, whether they are in the faith (2 Cor. 13:5). God does not save or preserve us in a mechanistic way, as though we are inanimate objects. Rather, He works in us to will and to do what pleases Him -- and that work within us (which He alone can do) is the basis for His command to us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12-13). The promises and warnings in Scripture are the means He uses to that end. The Lord wants His people to have an "abundant entrance" (2 Peter 1:11) into His kingdom -- not merely to be saved "yet so as through fire"(1 Cor. 3:15) -- and to that end He gives us means to make our calling and election sure and to keep from stumbling (see 2 Peter 1:2-12). If we will read the Bible as a letter of love sent to the family for whom Christ laid down His life (rather than as a textbook of legal principles to be analyzed), then we will profit from ALL He has to say to us, and His warnings will serve us as well as His promises.
But then wouldn’t that take away the effectiveness of the warning if it’s known that it’s just to make u be carful ? Also the text doesn’t seem to imply that it’s just a warning it seems like it’s advising or it’s telling you with so much aggressiveness ( I use that term very broadly btw ) that you can lose your salvation... I feel like it wouldn’t really give depth and meaning if it were just a way to keep the Saints going in Christ... I don’t know if you get my wording when I’m trying to describe this. What I basically mean is it doesn’t seem to mean that it’s just for “lighting a fire under your butt “ if you will ... it seems to mean that if you do this you will perish or you will be in the lake of fire , or, left behind , or burned . Can anyone help me out with this????
You have read and understood the warnings correctly. We are called to walk and stay on a righteous and holy path (e.g. Ephesians 4:17-24), empowered by the grace of God (Titus 2:11-14, Romans 6). That is the way to eternal life (Matthew 7:13-14, Luke 13:23-30). Peace to you!
They never did the will of His Father in heaven. John six:40 and John six:29. They trusted in what they did to earn eternal life, instead of receiving eternal life by faith alone apart from works. Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans six:23. Romans 11:six. Romans 4:-5-8
No, they trusted in what they did to earn eternal life. They were not born again because they did not receive the free gift of salvation by grace. through faith alone. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, First Corinthians 15;1-4, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also AFTER ye believed, ye were sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise. Our guarantee of eternal life. They came before the Lord boasting in what they did to save themselves, not what Jesus did for us when He paid our sin debt in full, past, present, and future sins. Romans 4:5-8. John 3:18 True believers have no sins to pay for, Jesus paid the debt and set us free. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit in whom ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. We can lose our life, and our rewards in heaven, but not eternal life. John six:47 Faith alone apart from any works. Once we have received the free gift, we will be rewarded in heaven for our works. First Corinthians 3:11-21. Repentance for salvation means to change your mind from trusting in what we do to save us, keeping the law, to trusting totally in what Jesus did for us apart from the law. Galatians 2:21 I do not void the grace of God, for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Romans 4:5-six.
Romans 4:5-8 We have to be as righteous as God to go to heaven. But to him that worketh not, does nothing, but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for RIGHTEOUSNESS. His Righteousness. Blessed is the man whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. All our sin debt was paid in full by Jesus one blood sacrifice for all sin. Past, present, and future sins. If not, no one would be saved. First John 1:8 When Jesus said, IT IS FINISHED, that is an accounting term, paid in full. No longer condemned. John 3:18 We should confess our sins to stay in fellowship with our heavenly Father. But many times we sin and do not know it or remember it. But they are all paid. God does not want His children living in sin, and He will chasten his children, but He can not go back on His word. John six:40. We should live right for rewards in heaven, but living right never saved one person.
It amazes me that some of the same people who say we are saved by grace also say we have to stay in the faith to stay saved. Which one is it because a wise person will see that you can't have it both ways. Here is the truth I stand on: if that person had genuine faith but let's say they never studied, went through tragedies and went to another religion or became an atheist, they ar...well, here's what the word of God says for this dispensation of grace. 2 Timothy 2:13 KJV If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. How is this possible? Colossians 1:25-27 KJV Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Once saved always saved because Christ can't deny himself in us because we are sealed with the holy spirit unto the day of redemption and Jesus is in us, also it was a mystery kept secret until Christ, after his resurrection reaveled the gospel of salvation for today. Colossians 1:25-27 KJV Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Ephesians 4:20 KJV And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 1:13 KJV In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, And for anyone who wants to bring up 2 Timothy 2:12 let's discuss that. 2 Timothy 2:12 KJV If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: This isn't talking about salvation. It's about reigning with Christ in the millennium.
I'v heard a lot of scripture twisted over the years to fit someones belief, but this one takes the cake. I don't know for certain the correct interpretation of those verses, but I know it doesn't mean what he says they mean. If Hebrews was written to Jewish believers, among whom were some who believed they had to keep the Mosaic law and be circumcised in order to be saved, it is understandable that Paul would warn them from falling away, and being lost by trusting in something besides Jesus. If they did that, they would forfeit the only means of salvation, namely, Christ's sacrifice on the cross. We are saved by faith in Jesus, but if we believe we are saved by faith in Jesus plus faith in something else such as works, circumcision, or anything else, are we still saved? I think Paul would say no.
When you say "faith in something else such as works", you should be precise that the works you speak of are works of the Law of Moses, such as circumcision and animal sacrifices offered at various times. This argument cannot throw out the fact that faith without works (of faith) is dead (James 2:26). So, genuine faith is never without works. The Matthew 25:31-46 parable is clear about the things done by faith and that matter, and the things people failed to do. "Doing" has to do with works, either good works or bad/wicked works. But it's not a question of trusting in your works. They are not "something else" if they are what having faith makes you do. They must be glued to your faith if you have faith. So, Jesus also says, "I know your works..." (Revelation 2:2). That's talking about works that go along with one's faith.
The idea of "once saved always saved" or eternal security or perseverance of the saints was never an idea taught by the earlier church and was never taught for the first 1500 years of Christianity. This idea was created by John Calvin in the 1500's. But whats interesting is that the majority of Protestants would disagree with this statement. I would suggests watching the Trent Horne vs James White on this issue. Dr. James White is a Reformed Theologian, while Trent Horne is a Catholic theologian. Even though Trent is Catholic the issue is not one of "Catholic vs. Protestant" but more so a theology debate. Since like I said the majority of Protestants deny the idea of "once saved, always saved". God Bless!
Romans-Philemon is the age of grace. Mathew,Hebrews-Peter-is the tribulation saints time period. Dispensationalism is the most important thing to understand before reading your bible. th-cam.com/video/ap7sS6285Zo/w-d-xo.html KJV:EPHESIANS 4:30 and grieve not the Holy Spirit of god,whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption
Excellent video. We are all sinners, we as Christians are still sinners who rely totally on the Grace & Mercy of God through Christ. We still struggle and sin but stand on the promise that we who believe are new creations justified to God by the sacrificial death & resurrection of Jesus. All Glory to The Father, Jesus his Son, and the Holy Spirit. One God forever!
I wish I could continue to believe this. Not so sure anymore. So many verses. The sower and the seed getting accepted but snatch/ the warning of blotting out names from the Book of LIfe...I get the affirming verses, raised on them, taught them, believed them but the warning verses aren't easily shoved aside. I lean the other way now. I got the courage up to meekly ask the Lord along the lines of a sheepish, "You wouldn't do that (blot out the names of believers)? I got an instant image of Jesus in my head. He was dressed somewhere between royalty and military. Think purples and golds, but his face was that of an uncompromising judge. I think he can do it. Or maybe my question was off, but I lean the other way now. It blows my mind and I know the Scripture that are used against this view but that image was real. Its out of our hands what he chooses to do. That's all I know.
I do believe you can lose your salvation dependent on your walk with Christ but I wouldn’t say it’s out of your hands. If we are following Christ and keeping his commandments we should be confident that we will enter into his kingdom.
@@stayinginformed1500 What I meant by that wasn't that we are apathetic in terms of salvation, but that the most well-researched theological arguments about God, Jesus, salvation etc..with all is scholarly insights built on generation after generation never has and never will change what He will do. We kid ourselves and wrap ourselves in the most comfortable theology we can to live how we want. The Lord is way more serious and true that all our opinions on what he will and won't do. Hope that clears thing us.
@@stayinginformed1500 And I agree with you, it's shouldn't be a tripping point if we are authentically following Jesus. I've heard of people terrified on an almost daily basis they will lose their salvation. My guess is such folks have some chronic addictions or habits that convict then daily. No one is perfect but one shouldn't disobey as best they can if they are well aware of chronic situations. I'm not saying they will lose their salvation, but I can guess what might cause such fears. To my understanding, it's likely a hard heart that becomes desensitized and decidedly unrepentant permanently that causes one to lose salvation. Stay humble and repent, folks!
Friend, if one were to lose their salvation, why would there be scriptural bases for once saved always saved such as the verses which clearly mentioned that we will be sealed with the Holy Spirit to the day of redemption? And why would Jesus have to die for us in the first place if our work merit our destination in the afterlife? The blotting of name in the book of life is arguably referring to those immature and Christian only in name who would manipulate the scriptures. There is no mention of Jesus explicitly stating: *"YOU ARE TO FOLLOW ME! AND IF YOU DO NOT UNTIL THE END, YOU WILL BE DAMNED AND WILL BURN FOR ETERNITY!"* It is very sad, since it never happened yet it PERPETUALLY used as if it exists. Clearly, this is nothing but a fear instilling initiative by satan himself, since he is the reason for this confusion, which is rather sad to a pathetically absurd extent.
Revelation 22:19 (KJV 1900) 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book Revelation 3:5 (KJV 1900) 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels
For the backslider ... here is grace greater than all our sin! you do not try to reverse all the irreveriable consequences of your sin but gladly accept the fresh grace from God. You are called to fidelity from this point on.
I do like the word 'backslider' It makes a lot more sense that 'never truly saved' or 'not a real follower'. Saying something like 'never really saved' implies that Christians can't sin. They can and do. That's what confession of sins is for. To reunite us, who are Christians, who have sinned, back to God.
It should be a clear cut answer, not a muddy gospel. The thought of foolishness is sin, none of us can go to heaven or fall away. If that were the case then we're trusting our works. All we have to do is CONFESS the Lord Jesus and BELIEVE that God raised him from the dead. Not this falling away mumbo jumbo.
John 10:28-30 King James Version 28- And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29- My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30- I and my Father are one.
confess what you believe not join the confession prayer - just to be clear. Some have confessed and didn't believe that eternal life is forever so no assurance thus no salvation.
You can't lose something giving to you. Fallen away is referring to someone try to reach heaven on their own efforts, they are dependent on the law (thier works), not the efforts of Christ on the cross. When you are going be the law for salvation, then you have fallen from grace. Trust in Jesus and not yourself. I'm glad it not on me to be saved.
If you fell from grace… it means you had it to begin with. The Bible is clear that you can lose your salvation. And when you say you can’t lose something given to you, sure you can. If I give you a pen, you can either reject it or lose it.
Keith Clark Yes, you can lose your salvation my friend. We only have the *Hope of salvation* (1 Thessalonians 5:8); not the fullness of our salvation. We are not completely saved yet, not until the day of the redemption of the purchased possession comes (Eph. 1:14), which is the resurrection. In between time, while we are in this present time, our salvation is *CONDITIONAL* depending on how we live our lives according to the gospel (Romans 2:16; 16:25 & 2 Corinthians 15:2). The Lord is very clear in saying that it is *ONLY* if we *CONTINUE* to abide in him and *CONTINUE* to bear fruits as believers that we can not be cut off from him (see John 15:2, 6). Salvation is conditional in the present time. Paul said that if we continue in the faith then God will also continue to be good to us. He said "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, *goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."* (Romans 11:22). Salvation is conditional because we are not yet completely saved. We are only completely justified by faith (Eph. 2:8-9); and justification is not salvation in the context of its entirety.
@@jesuschristsaves9067 Respectfully, just as your name says, Jesus Christ Saves - not us. It is not of ourselves, but what Christ did on the cross. If we have to keep our salvation, then that would be us earning it. Not saying you are not saved, but it is very important, that we trust Christ for salvation 100%. If someone thinks they have anything to do with being saved, then they very well could be lost. We need to realize none or our efforts matter for salvation. 1 Thessalonians 5 has nothing to do with salvation, but rather preparing for the rapture. Hope you all have a good day.
In the end nobody really knows who is truly saved because we don't know people's motives/hearts....only God. One day Jesus will say to many "I never knew you" but deep in my heart I know nobody can snatch me out of His hand because of what He did, not because of who i am. I will always remember the day I was born again.
The Bible says we can KNOW we are going to heaven 1 John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life...." God's Plan of Salvation First, you must accept that you are a sinner. Romans 3:23 - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:10 - "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one." Second, You must accept that as a sinner you owe a penalty Romans 6:23- "For the wages of sin is death...." Ezekiel 18:4b- "The soul that sinneth, it shall die." This death is described in the Bible as the second death, the lake of fire. Revelation 20:14- "And Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." If we pay what we owe as sinners, we must spend an eternity in the lake of fire (Hell). Third, you must accept that Jesus Christ has already paid our sin debt. Romans 5:6- "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly." Hebrews 2:9b- "....that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." Christ was not a sinner, and the Bible teaches that God took all of our sin and placed it on Christ. While Christ was bearing all of our sins in His own body, God punished Him in our place to pay the debt we owe. God did not only promise to do this but its already done. John 3:16- "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." 2 Corinthians 5:21- "He hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." It is a fact, Jesus has already paid your sin debt. Fourth, you must accept by FAITH what Jesus Christ did for you John 3:36- "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." Jesus divides the world into two different groups, those that believe and those that are not believing. Those who believe HAVE eternal life, and those who dont, will not see life. The word "believe" means to trust, depend on, rely on. To believe means that you accept the fact you are a sinner, owe a sin debt, and that Jesus Christ has paid that sin debt for you on the cross. You must completely trust in Jesus as your savior, not your good deeds and Jesus, not your clean living and Jesus, but Jesus Christ ALONE! The moment you do this God promises that you have eternal life John 5:24- "Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." Trust Jesus Christ as your savior, ask Him to save you today!
I accepted Jesus as my personal lord and savior at 12. so i always knew about HIm and his work on the cross and why he died for humans. as i grew up i fell short of God and really turned my back on HIM. though i would pray here and there. I was weak and living in my sins. i even at one point denied being a Christian. I got into new age beliefs instead even though i knew the truth. i was in a very dark place because i had left a 12 year abusive relationship. I was broken and lost and in need of a savior. Once i begin to want to come back to Jesus i started getting attack by demons and then one final night i cryed out to Jesus repented and accepted back as my Lord and Savior and gave me a new heart and the Holy Spirit. I know without a doubt i was sealed at 12 but i had to go through such dark times to find my way back to HIM. looking back i grieved the Holy Spirit. I finally feel at peace with my past and where i am headed in life because i know i am no longer alone or dead in my spirit.
Glory be to God, I’m glad you found God again 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Please don't take this as an interrogating question, just curious. Do you think that you would have gone to Heaven if you were to have died while rejecting God? Or were you sealed as in He will win you back?
@@elijahpales3953 Yes because i was sealed with the Holy Spirit but again i fell short for many years mainly because i spent 12 years in a horrible toxic relationship in which i loved a man more than the man whom saved me and the left me broken lost and confused after it ended and i was traumatized and i just had no motivation in me to ask Jesus back into my life. but for some reason i was praying through spirit to Him. what was wrong is i was into tarot cards for quick answers and because i was dappling in that paganism i felt it was wrong to call myself a Christian because God does not like that stuff and i was letting my flesh lead me in life rather than my spirit even though my spirit was desperate for Jesus and deep in my heart and spirit i knew the truth and my mother had been praying for me to find my way back to Jesus she is the one who raised me to know the truth of Him. I believe if you truly believe in the gospel and the finished work of Jesus on the cross than you are saved and sealed. You belong to Him despite what you might do in your life with living in sin and being bound to them or overcoming them and a changed lifestyle. my life is now filled with joy and praise for Jesus and i am reading Gods word everyday. all i think about is Jesus now.
I met Jesus face to face so I know the answer to this..
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@kittydawn Our stories are pretty close. I answered the alter call at 10 but for the following years I got worse and worse throughout my teens and finally at 21, I’d had enough, I knew to Whom it was I belonged. When I repented and was re-Baptized there was a profound change in my thinking. As I’ve said before, this change in thinking wasn’t my own intellect, it was a new Presence altogether. The Holy Spirit.
Looking back, I remember doing things in my teens that left me hating myself, even though these things didn’t bother my friends or others a lick. Even when no one knew, the circumstances would remain hidden and no one really thought the actions wrong, I was convicted with self loathing. I remember one day thinking I just need to get away and as I thought of places to go I realized, I wanted to get away from myself.... away from the conviction. Was I actually sealed at 10? I don’t know. I do know that God has always had a hand in my life. There’s simply no other explanation.
I would admonish everyone to read Romans as many times as it takes to understand it. If you are saved, sinning should not provide anything but misery to you. That’s the best touchstone I can think of to be assured of salvation, that and the constant call to repent. Lastly, if you’ve not run across him on YT yet, look up Dr. David Barnett, his ministry is DTBM. He’s an amazing, rock solid BIBLE TEACHER/SCHOLAR. NOTHING BUT GOD’S WORD. Traditions can be stumbling blocks. The only TRUTH in this WORLD comes from God’s Word and Dr. Barnett teaches it unvarnished as it should be taught. God Bless and look up, I don’t know about all of you, but it sure feels like the beginning of the end.
If we can't save ourselves (and we can't) how can we possibly keep ourselves saved? If we were born again, how can we get unborn? If we're sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, how do we break that seal? Salvation is not a work of us, it's the grace of God. If someone has known the love of God and experienced the touch of Jesus Christ, how can we then go into unbelief? Once you've been given eyes to see, you can't be blind again not knowing what it is to see.
The true born again believer will never deny God, even if it means our death. We'll never leave our Lord and shepherd. We'll never want to either. Anyone who says they used to be a Christian and isn't anymore was never a Christian. They maybe went to church, sang the songs, read the Bible or even served but their faith was not real and it wasn't in Christ. They were never born again. They were religious at best. So they left nothing because they had nothing.
All God's people will overcome and endure till the end. We'll forsake everything in this world if need be but we'll never forsake our great God and Savior. There's no going back to the world (why would we want to?) and the true Christian couldn't be dragged away from Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
@Le Naker Judas already gave his own testimony. He never believed or he wouldn't have betrayed Jesus and sold Him out for 30 pieces of silver.
@Le Naker I talk to people like you everyday. It's my pleasure.
Jesus identified Judas even before the betrayal though. He said, "one of you is a devil" and "one of you will betray me". Judas acted in his own accord but God used that also to bring about His will.
Jesus summed up the commandments in the 2. Love God most and others as yourself. They all fall under one of those 2. He said He didn't come to do away with the law but to fulfill it.
Glad I could help. 👍🏻
@Le Naker Again, glad I could help. Have a good one. 👍🏻
Thank you brother, this is common sense.
@Le Naker I do. "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God." Ephesians 2:8
Please, please help me. I am so afraid. I have wilfully sinned over a great number of years, clearly knowing that what I was doing was so very wrong. I gave my my heart to the Lord many years ago and served and loved Him for many years.
I know the things i have done have been so wrong and how it has offended the Lord.
I am trying to return to the Lord by asking for forgiveness seeking His presence.
I have began reading His Word again but I do not know if the Holy Spirit is in my life. or that God can ever accept me in my willfulness.
Please pray for me that I might know once again the presence of God in my life. I am so frightened and know that my time of meeting the Lord is very near.
Please see the videos in the *_"Be Set Free From Sin"_* section on my channel for help. Take some time to understand well the way you need to approach God. Your obedience to God out of love for God (John 14:15) is the key to your deliverance from any sin that you are bound in (Hebrews 5:9).
Peace to you!
Read James 5:19-20 and Luke 15:4-10; 11-32 I pray this helps you Terence
Terence, you must know that feelings of terror, hopelessness, and futility are not of the Lord but of the evil one. Any sins you have committed are in the past now; what you must do is focus on the present. "Php_3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." So long as you live, you have God's grace and a brilliant window of opportunity to return to the Lord for He is rich in mercy and faithful to help you overcome sin. His good news (gospel) is not a reason to despair but to rejoice in His mercy and kindness. To return to the Lord, you must have heartfelt genuine sorrow over your sin(s) towards a Holy God. "Psa_51:17 a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.". That would be your first step in the right direction and a cue that you are earnestly willing to draw near to God. You have done well in starting praying and reading the scriptures for that is how you start knowing God. A believer's walk with God is a journey rife with ups and downs. If we abide in Him whatever life throws our way, we emerge triumphant in Him in the end for He is faithful and will never leave us nor forsake us (Heb. 13:5). One way you can know if the Holy Spirit is working your life is if you find yourself resisting temptations to sin, to which you had earlier so easily succumbed. The more you pray and study the scriptures, the stronger your relationship with God and the stronger the armour God weaves around you is. "Eph_6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." "Jas_4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you". Remember, do not despair but have hope. "Php_4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God."
@@katherinepeterson-roberts Hello Katherine. Firstly, I sincerely apologise for the delay with replying to your text. I have been way for a while with little access to the internet.
Thank you so much for your kindness with taking the time to text me with your most encouraging and helpful words. The verses you sent have helped me immensely and I have looked up every one of them and have tried to apply them to my life.
I am continuing to read the scriptures each day and in my prayers I daily turn my life over to Him asking the lord for the strength and power to repent from all that is wrong.
and to give me understanding of His word.
In my prayers I always ask that i might have a spirit of repentance and to endeavour to be obedient to all He shows me.
I am standing firm against the sins that have so easily entangled me in the past and though I have failed on occasions I have asked forgiveness and continue to repent from them.
I am praying that the lord will lead me to a place of worship, i'm a little nervous as I have not attended a church for very many years.
I am still struggling with bitterness and anger with things that happened so long ago which I know is detriment to my relationship with Jesus.
I have been clearly shown that I must remove the great beam that is in my own eye and the importance of forgiveness.
Please continue to pray for me as I am still very conscious of my sins and have no other christian I can ask.
Thank you once again for your kindness.
Terence
God forgives those who repent.
It's clearly in the context. Hebrews is about the Old Testament sacrifices. If they go back to those goat and bull sacrifices. Christ's sacrifice was once and for all sins to those who believe on Him.
What keeps us believers in the family of God is through the power of God. Human power can't overwhelm the power of God. 2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. We are sealed and kept until the day of redemption. There is nothing we can do to lose salvation once we believe on Christ alone who died for our sins, buried, and rose from the dead. Think about the thief on the cross, the very moment he believed on Christ, he was saved instantly. How did you miss that?
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4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
May God bless you everyone. Trust in God and his son Jesus!
When I was still wondering why a god would be so mean as to create a realm of suffering of all creatures, it was then that I preferred to change my belief to the idea that no god ever existed TO BE MEAN! It took me 70 years of my life to come to that system of belief.
Because you want to believe that you are special, you might never come to my present way of believing, and that is your choice.
What about my mother and father whom God says to honor, and my days shall be long ?
By grace are you saved through faith and not of yourselves it is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast. Believing that you can help God save you by being good enough is by works or your behavior. Man's righteousness is like filthy rags as God says. He who has Christ has life. Grace through faith in Christ and what He did for us on the cross is what saves us. We were never good enough to be saved in the first place and never will be. God's grace is sufficient because He gives us what we don't deserve, eternal life. If you have accepted Christ as your savior you are saved. If you could loose your salvation by sinning, which we all do, nobody would go to heaven. We all struggle with sin because it is the nature of the flesh to war against the spirit. It is a spiritual war of good against evil, but if your saved you will fight against doing evil. Feed your spirit and you will win most of your battles. God bless
Holiness without which no man shall see the Lord. Your doctrine is false. He who endures till the end shall be saved. Many will depart from the faith in the latter days.
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On who's strength will you persevere, endure, and continue believing if yours you are doomed.
Stop adding to the wordcof God.
You are saved by the grace of God through faith, from sin(the violation of the law, and death (the penalty for sin). No one can stop sinning completely, but they can stop sinning wilfully (repentance).
Yes, that initial gift of salvation is by faith, but please continue to verse 10 "for we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them".
@@GregorasProject it's always funny seeing these two types of people, one side wanting to work their way into heaven, while the other side wants to do nothing at all, but still go to heaven, If I'm remembering correctly Jesus must have made a parable about this
The question that needs to be answered first is: What is a covenant? Very simply, a covenant is an agreement that either party can break. The scriptures that appear to "guarantee" our salvation are really only God's promise not to break His side of the covenant with us. Scriptures such as Heb 10:26-31 are God's warning to us not break our side of the covenant with Him. Let me ask another question: Can you go to Heaven if your sins are not forgiven? God warns us again in Matthew 6:15 that our sins will not be forgiven if we refuse to forgive others. How about Gal 5:19-21? We are warned that we will not inherit the Kingdom of God if we live in "the flesh" (adultery, fornication, hatred, etc.). What about Matthew 5:22 where Jesus warns that you are in danger of the "fire of hell" for calling your brother a fool. Is He just bluffing? Having said all that, I believe that God is a loving, forgiving, merciful God who is patient with us and helps us get back up when we fall. I believe that God will forgive anyone who comes to Him with a sincere, repentant heart. But, He says to fear Him (Matthew 10:28)...and for a good (loving) reason...fear of the Lord keeps us from sin (Prov 16:6).
By your assertion, nobody will be saved. That’s the whole point of grace. We have proved we can’t and won’t fulfill our side of the covenant.
@@LEUNN_ - Only those who love their sin more than they love God have proved they "can't and won't" fulfill their side of the covenant.
"I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." (Jude 1:4)
Dan Stephens yes, those are the ones also referenced in 1 John. They were never saved.
We also need to add to our assessment of this question the reality and necessity of the new birth and its implications.
@@LEUNN_ - Your statements are contradictory. You are the one who said that "we have proved that we can't and won't fulfill our side of the covenant". Then you said that those are the one's who were never saved. So, I must conclude that you were never saved. Please read my original post and meditate on God's Word...not what your pastor told you. God warns his children, not unbelievers. BTW, Jude 1:4 is talking about you. I don't mean to be so harsh, but your teaching gives people a license to live immoral lives. I've seen it many, many times. People that could be saved if they were taught to fear and obey the Lord, but they were taught that grace is all they need, so they live in willful sin.
Note what James says about a fellow Christian that falls back/falls away/wander away...
James 5:19-20
"19 My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back,
20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.".
NOTE, first off, this exbeliever is now called a sinner. Second we see if someone brings this sinner back (ferering to a previous state of being saved) onto the straight and narrow road....that person has saved the sinner's soul !
Wandering from the truth means unaware of the truth or seeking for truth or not in the truth yet. Bringing them back means teaching them the truth of the gospel. We can't say they that wanders from the truth are saved already because they speak different - truth doesn't come from their mouth.
So it is too assuming for you to consider a person goes back to being a sinner losing his salvation. In fact you and me can't maintain faithfulness right? Have you lost your salvation already? of course not.
God is good, if we are faithless He remains faithful 2 Tim 2:13 once saved always saved indeed.
The brother they are pertaining to is a jew and they call everyone (including unbeliever jews) a brother because they are jews. Similar use of brother in I John.
Keep away from sin, don't get out of the boat. You choose who you will serve.
Pray for me, for God to grant me repentance and grant me grace, I want to be a child of God, I no longer want to be a slave to sin
God bless you JP. I was a slave to sin that leads to death for 60 years after baptism. It took a Road to Damascus Road experience for the scales to fall off my eyes. I had the same thought you did ie. I was sick and tired of all the sin in my life. It was shortly after that, someone told me something I had never considered before. That was that I actually needed to stop practicing sin. I'm not Reformed but Calvin taught that the elect would necessarily persevere. I once asked a well informed Reformed Chritian (who, like Calvin, taught Baptismal Regeneration) why I fell away from my faith for some 60 years after baptism. He said that the faith can lie dormant until the soul embraces the grace given at baptism. I personally believe it is more of a matter of obedience based on what I know now. I will say that, God has truly done His part to free me from my practice of deadly sin. Of course, we all commit sins that do not lead to spiritual death most every day. We just need to confess those. If we abide and remain in Christ, the Spirit keeps us from sins that lead to death. Only with God's grace can this be accomplished. Our part is to strive to be obedient by striving to put to death the deeds of the flesh and to avoid the occasions of sins that the world places in our paths. I could suggest many reading sources but I will leave you with one very ancient primary source that is easy to Google. The Didache. This early Christian writing was written before the NT was completed. Scholars believe it was written while one of more of the Apostles were still living. It was considered when the Canon of Scripture was being considered. It covers things like Baptism , the Eucharist and how to deal with Apostles and prophets but I mostly want to draw your attention to the opening section which deals with the two ways. The way that leads to life and the way that leads to death. Read it slowly and let it sink into your heart and mind. If you have not been struck by the conversion experience I mentioned, do not loose heart. The fact that you no longer want to be a slave to sin means you are at a place where God's grace can do the work in your wounded soul that we all need. Seek the truth. Read the primary sources of the first Christians. They are mostly easily accessible online. My favorite are the letters of Ignatius of Antioch (107 AD), a disciple of John, Justin Martyr 155 AD) and Irenaeus of Lyon (180 AD). In my humble opinion, these are some of the best commentaries on the NT you will find :). God bless
JP, I was the same. Sick and tired of all the sin in my life. I found the clearest teaching in the Catholic Church. They were the first that told me I actually had to stop practicing sin. Many denominations don't have a category for sin especially the once saved always saved ones. They only preach salvation as a one-time decision which evolved during the Great Awakening revivals. Many of them defaulted to a confused antinomianism. I will pray for you. God bless.
@JPJoaoPaulo619 Make sure you approach God the way He expects you to with the right mindset. Prayers work together with what you need to have a resolve to do yourself.
You must submit to God. That is essential:
James 4:7-8
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
That's what your attitude needs to be when you are going through the process of *repentance* and committing to be obedient to God for the rest of your life (that's the kind of "change of mind" God wants to see). You must sincerely regret having sinned against God, and come to the point of hearing and agreeing 100% with Jesus' message saying, "I do not condemn you, now go and don't sin anymore" (John 8:11). Your obedience as you choose to follow God's ways is key--that's how you show your faith to God (John 3:36, Luke 6:46, Hebrews 3:17-18). That opens the door to receiving his *forgiveness* for your past sins (2 Peter 1:9), *healing* (Luke 5:31-32), *freedom from sin/addictions* (John 8:34-36), and the gift of *a new life* that you will live for God and no longer for sin and the passing things of the world (Romans 6:4, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15). That is the salvation you must make sure you have experienced: freedom from sin (John 8:36, Romans 8:1-2) versus bondage to sin (John 8:34, Romans 7:23).
Approaching God in genuine repentance will lead to you receiving the Holy Spirit to lead you to "walk by the Spirit" (Acts 2:38, Galatians 5:16)--with a pure heart and self-control, which is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). Any habit that controls you reveals idolatry in your heart. You have to choose to be done with that and it will be part of your past. That's one thing that will come out of your commitment to be obedient to God for the rest of your life. Please see 1 Peter 4:1-3 and 1 Thessalonians 1:9.
James 1:21-22
21 Therefore, putting away all filthiness and overflowing of wickedness, receive with humility the implanted word, which is able to save your souls [that's repentance]. 22 But be doers of the word [that's faith, which implies obedience], and not only hearers, deluding your own selves.
Hebrews 5:9
And having been made perfect, He [Jesus] became the author of 👉 *eternal salvation to all those who obey Him [...].*
Please stay in the word and obey it (James 1:21-22). The word of God is fuel for your faith. To live as a follower of Jesus you must go out of your way to put the word of God in your heart and keep it there, rejecting all distractions. It's a fight and that's how you need to stand to not fall down. The truth will set you free from all sin (John 8:31-32, 36).
Remember, change comes from you really desiring it. Jesus puts it this way:
Matthew 5:6
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled.
It's your own hunger and your own thirst for the life that is centered on godliness that will lead you to that new life that is the gift of God in Jesus (Romans 6:4). The square one is genuine repentance.
Why not just REPENT
See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands, your walls are ever before me. Isaiah 49:16. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. John 10:28 I'm safe and secure in the arms of Jesus.
@Randy , we can’t be “snatched” out of the hand of Jesus, meaning no one can sin for us ... we have only ourselves to blame.
1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
I agree with this, I really believe that we cant lose our salvation. if you truly encounter Jesus, oh when you truly encounter Jesus you will want what He wants, you will want to do what He wants you to do. As christians we cant / wil never be sinless, we can only sin less. And it is the Holy Spirit that will lead us to sanctification. Salvation is instantaneous but sanctification is not and the good work God has started in your life He is very faithful to finish. We are all works in progress, you will stumble along thecway but God will pursue you and wont stop, He will convict you and teach you til your very last breath. thank you southern seminary inform more and more of us and continue preaching the gospel to the very ends of the Earth.
I agree wholeheartedly. It's a journey of triumphs and terrible stumbles but God is faithful to the end. May Christ be glorified. He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. We believers are works in progress.
Read about all the born again christians who are in hell today. Listen to the holy spirit and not man.
@@gordonmarshall3218 Post the saved ones who are in hell? Name them if you can.
Faith. You have been lied to I'm afraid. You would do well to understand all that is required and all that is provided for you to meet the requirements of salvation. This may sound strange to your ears because of what you have been taught for a very long time, but is all solidly backed up by the scriptures. Here is a channel which lays out the gospel step by step should you be interested in hearing a very different and harmonious gospel which has no need to make scriptures say what they clearly do not, as this man has done. Thank you. th-cam.com/video/JOsslFasKcM/w-d-xo.html
@@TheZymbo Your misquoted Philippians 1:6. It is a most common error but it exposed a false gospel. Your gospel needs a major relook, my friend, for you have been told very wrong. Here is a link to a video on Philippians 1:6 followed by a link to a channel which lays out the Biblical gospel, step-by-step should you be interested. Thank you. th-cam.com/video/jPkUV4TTR8Q/w-d-xo.html
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Wow! Love how you explained this. I was in a group of believers once that believed that you had to be good and watch everything you did or you could fall away and loose out. How great it is that God opened my eyes that my salvation is SECURED in Jesus. How great God is!
@Leyden Humphries , scripture warns us against lawlessness and the doctrine of demons. The doctrine of demons is and has always been sin without fear.
Are you a wolf, or a lost sheep?
It sounds like you were in a legalistic church which is as equally misguided as what has been presented here. What the vast majority fail to understand is that there are works of the Law or Works of the Flesh which only produce pride and condemnation. The answer is not "It's all done! We do nothing!" The answer is to strive to know His will for us through an abiding and obedient faith. This is the narrow and difficult way. And few there are who find it. Here is a link for a channel which lays out the Biblical gospel step-by-step should you be interested. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
That is why it is so important to keep your faith IN Jesus and all that He is and said to do. It is only by faith through Him we are saved.
@hopeseeker97 , as long as you define faith IN Jesus as obeying God’s commandments and holding fast to the testimony OF Jesus.
It amazes me that some of the same people who say we are saved by grace also say we have to stay in the faith to stay saved. Which one is it because a wise person will see that you can't have it both ways. Here is the truth I stand on: if that person had genuine faith but let's say they never studied, went through tragedies and went to another religion or became an atheist, they ar...well, here's what the word of God says for this dispensation of grace.
2 Timothy 2:13 KJV
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
How is this possible?
Colossians 1:25-27 KJV
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Once saved always saved because Christ can't deny himself in us because we are sealed with the holy spirit unto the day of redemption and Jesus is in us, also it was a mystery kept secret until Christ, after his resurrection reaveled the gospel of salvation for today.
Colossians 1:25-27 KJV
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Ephesians 4:20 KJV
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Ephesians 1:13 KJV
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
And for anyone who wants to bring up 2 Timothy 2:12 let's discuss that.
2 Timothy 2:12 KJV
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
This isn't talking about salvation. It's about resigning with Christ in the millennium.
I believe someone can't lose their salvation. There's many Christians who believe you can lose your salvation, and there's many Christians who believe you can't lose your salvation. A person's belief about whether or not they can lose their salvation doesn't determine whether they are saved. Accepting Christ in your heart and really meaning it in your heart is what determines whether you're saved.
One of the main reasons why a lot of people think people can lose their salvation is because many people think once saved always saved teaches that once you accept Christ in your heart, you're free to live your life any way you want to and still go to heaven, but once saved always saved doesn't teach that. Accepting Christ in your heart by just mouthing the words and not meaning it in your heart doesn't save someone. In order to be saved, you have to accept Christ in your heart and really mean it in your heart. Once saved always saved teaches that when you accept Christ in your heart and really mean it in your heart, you're always going to be saved, you're never going to live a lifestyle defined by sin anymore, and you're never going to abandon the faith and walk away from the faith. 2 Corinthians 5:17 explains how when people become Christians, they are new creations; old things are passed away and all things become new. When a person accepts Christ in their heart and really means it in their heart, God changes them by them never living a lifestyle defined by sin anymore, having a new heart, never abandoning the faith, wanting to live for the Lord, etc.
There's a lot of Bible verses that are strong evidence how you can't lose your salvation. 1 John 2:19 mentions how there's no such thing as an ex-Christian. If there's no such thing as an ex-Christian, it implies that someone can't lose their salvation. Matthew 24:13 mentions how true Christians preserve to the end. When a person accepts Christ in their heart and really means it in their heart, they're going to preserve to the end. 1 John 5:13 explains how you can know for certain that you have eternal life. If you can know for certain you have eternal life, that's strong evidence how you can't lose your salvation. Revelation 3:5 explains how Christ won't remove true Christians from the Book of Life.
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My friend, because of the freedom of will, a believer can choose to decide whether to follow God or not. To put it simple, God didn't force us to believe him before we became believers; and neither will he force us to continue with him if we choose to leave. God will never force anyone into heaven against his will. The parable of the prodigal son will tell you exactly that believers can still go astray from the faith; hence Paul said that "If we suffer, we shall also reign with [him]: *_if we deny [him], he also will deny us."_* (2 Timothy 2:12). Even the Lord himself has made it so clear that even if you are believer, yet you do not bear the fruit of your faith, you will still be cut off from him (see John 15:1-5; Romans 11:22). So, salvation is a condition. You will have the hope of salvation if you continue to abide with the savior (John 15:6).
@@paeng46 Thanks for your comment. You make great points. I agree with you how God doesn't force people to follow Christ. God gave people a free will. God gave everyone a free will because he wanted people to be able to make their own decisions. God doesn't want people in heaven with him simply due to them being robots; he wants people to be in heaven with him due to them choosing to follow Christ. God didn't just make everyone good because being good without free will is being good due to being a robot, and being good due to being a robot isn't genuine goodness. Genuine goodness is being good due to choosing to be good.
It is true that true Christians display evidence that they are saved. True Christians have the fruit of the spirit in their life, persevere to the end, want to live for the Lord, want to serve the Lord, don't live a lifestyle defined by sin, don't want to take advantage of grace, etc.
@@bikerboy9010 why is salvation, in the Bible in three verb tenses....past, present, and future....and how doe the verse....he, who endures till the end, shall be saved....
@@philipbuckley759 Thanks for your comment. Excellent questions. You are correct that salvation is in three tenses in the Bible. When salvation is in the past tense in the Bible, it's referring to justification, being saved from the penalty of sin, being saved from hell, Jesus dying on the cross to pay the penalty for sin, etc. When salvation is in the present tense in the Bible, it's referring to being saved from the power of sin, sanctification, being changed from someone who used to live a lifestyle defined by sin to someone who doesn't live a lifestyle defined by sin anymore, etc. When salvation is in the future tense in the Bible, it's referring to glorification, being saved from the presence of sin, being rewarded in heaven, etc. Salvation in the past, present, and future tense isn't referring to people losing their salvation.
You are correct that the Bible talks about how people who endure until the end will be saved. Matthew 24:13 talks about people who endure to the end will be saved. I believe that enduring to the end doesn't mean people can lose their salvation because people that are true Christians do endure to the end, persevere to the end, etc. The point of Matthew 24:13 is that true Christians do preserve to the end, endure to the end, etc, and another point of Matthew 24:13 is how to tell whether someone's a true Christian. 2 Corinthians 5:17 explains how people that are true Christians are new creations; old things are passed away and all things become new. There's positive changes that happen in someone's life when they become saved, a Christian, etc. 2 Corinthians 5 talks about changes in someone's life when they become a Christian. When a person accepts Christ in their heart and really means it in their heart, they're going to preserve to the end. Preserving to the end is a positive change that happens in someone's life when they accept Christ in their heart and really mean it in their heart.
A true Christian is someone that accepts Christ in their heart and really means it in their heart. When a person accepts Christ in their heart and really means it in their heart, they experience positive changes in their life such as never living a lifestyle defined by sin anymore (Christians sill sin, still aren't perfect, still make mistakes in life, still make bad decisions in their life at times, etc but they don't live a lifestyle defined by sin), being born again, having the fruit of the spirit in their life, wanting to live for the Lord, wanting to serve the Lord, wanting to persevere to the end, wanting to endure to the end, not wanting to take advantage of grace, and not going to walk away and abandon the faith (true Christians do backslide at times, but true Christians never walk away and abandon the faith).
But what if you have walked away and came back many times? Is there still salvation?
Nicely explained and agree. Love my father who has rules i love to live by as a sinner and praying daily and trusting my path to Our Savior and Lord. God Bless All. 🙏😇❤️
We must renew our minds in the word. Faith comes by hearing the word. So in order for us to grow and be like Jesus we listen and learn from the holy spirit who will give us guidance and wisdom through the word.
This answer is straight forward,simple and understanding. Let's endeavor to know more of Christ as he works through us for his purpose.
It's astounding how most people in this comment section are critizing Dr. Schreiner for believing in Eternal Security and then cite the warning passages in order to refute him. Have you even understood his argument at all? What does he say is the purpose of those warnings?
Only those who obey God’s commandments belong to Christ, and only those who belong to Christ may enter heaven.
@Marie W 777 , I’m merely asking you to do what God‘s Word says to do ; provide three witnesses from the New Testament, God’s Word, that supports your doctrine. You claim your doctrine comes from the Bible, so provide three witnesses from the Bible. You know you can’t. You follow a false doctrine.
When Jesus says “depart from me I never knew you”. These people were not saved. They may have gone to the mega churches and delivered food to the hungry, helped widows and the like but it was not because they were saved. Whatever their purpose for doing these things that are typical of the actions of a born again believer it wasn’t at the prompting of the Holy Spirit. More than likely they did the things for their own vanity and pride which I believe Jesus makes clear throughout these passages. In my experience one must test oneself for no one else knows your mind and heart. It’s true we judge others by their actions as to what type of character they have but that doesn’t always work for judging whether or not they’re saved. However, if someone tries to publicly justify their sinful actions in direct opposition to Christ’s word, then I would say they are likely not saved.
In my own experience I cannot and will not pardon my own sin because I agree that IT IS SIN. Gods word is a part of my make up, my mind and my soul. There is something apart from me that makes clear what is right and wrong and I long to do what is right though I fail early and often at it lol. When I do fail it’s tough to come before the Lord and repent sometimes as I’m ashamed of my failure; and yet I do get on my knees, give thanks and praise and repent.
So, my question to those who believe they can lose their salvation is: do you have a relationship with Jesus? When you sin does it bother you? Do you feel the need to repent of the sin because you long to return to fellowship with Jesus? If so it’s a safe bet you’re saved and assured of salvation and Jesus will leave the 99 to come after the one that belongs to Him. If none of the above is familiar to you I would get on your knees and speak to Jesus like He is right there (He is), repent of your sins and ask Him to save you. You need to mean it. Take care all!
This really cleared things up for me. Thank you so much. I can hear the word speaking through you. God bless 🙏🏾
Thank you for this 🙏🏽. I believe I have a relationship with Jesus. Sadly when I received The Holy Spirit I feel into sexual immorality a couple of times and it led to masturbation as well. 😔 I repented for it a lot and when I finally stopped because I felt like I was disrespecting God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit. However a week later I go hit with a slash to the heart when I read about willful sin and deliberately sinning consequences. And it left me in a depression and doubt with lead to illness and body complications. Sexual dreams and nightmares. Loss of sleep and overthinking. Time after time it got harder and one day I said I don’t know if I can continue with this. I’m tired. I don’t know if I said I’m done but I know a brother called me and talked to me and we prayed and then I prayed to God for help. Went to sleep and woke up to a burning feeling in my chest, stomach, and back of my head. Thought the Holy Spirit left me and became scared. Don’t know what to do since been having highs and lows but I hope I didn’t lose faith and now I’m lost 😞
When the Apostle Paul warns the early church in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?Do not be deceived:Neither the sexual immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderes nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
The Apostle Paul sent this warning to the early church, born again christains so dont be so naive and blinded by believing you can live in habitual sin and still go to heaven when the Apostle paul warns crystal clear you will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Example: a born again christain who likes to get drunk therefore he is a drunkard and will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Can you lose your salvation? Yes you certainly can and will lose your salvation if you remain living in habitual sin.
Sorry if this sounds harsh but if you continue to sin you will die ,and that doesn't mean when you die your going to heaven, this is talking about Spiritual death and going to hell, the bible has numerous scriptures about Paul warning the early church ( born again christains) sometimes with tears on how to live to please God and fall for any other gospel which is no gospel at all
The main sign Jesus told us about is deception and to believe that you can live in sin and still get to go to heaven is from the enemy satan, a lie and deception.
Wakeup!
@Child of God 777 ive got to agree with the scriptures you quoted and yes what you say is true, God bless you.
It amazes me that some of the same people who say we are saved by grace also say we have to stay in the faith to stay saved. Which one is it because a wise person will see that you can't have it both ways. Here is the truth I stand on: if that person had genuine faith but let's say they never studied, went through tragedies and went to another religion or became an atheist, they ar...well, here's what the word of God says for this dispensation of grace.
2 Timothy 2:13 KJV
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
How is this possible?
Colossians 1:25-27 KJV
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Once saved always saved because Christ can't deny himself in us because we are sealed with the holy spirit unto the day of redemption and Jesus is in us, also it was a mystery kept secret until Christ, after his resurrection reaveled the gospel of salvation for today.
Colossians 1:25-27 KJV
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Ephesians 4:20 KJV
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Ephesians 1:13 KJV
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
And for anyone who wants to bring up 2 Timothy 2:12 let's discuss that.
2 Timothy 2:12 KJV
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
This isn't talking about salvation. It's about resigning with Christ in the millennium.
In Hebrews, it says that "it is impossible to renew unto repentance" it doesn't say that they lose salvation! And it is referring to Jewish believers reverting back to the temple system of the levitical practices of sin offerings,NOT to Gentile born-again believers! God bless you!
So the warning passages are explained away so as to keep the preservation passages. This is what happens when people don't understand how to harmonize passages. Is it a contradiction when the Bible says that Judas hung himself and in another place it says he was splattered on the rocks...no. You harmonize the two to get the complete story. All the preservation passages are CONTINGENT upon people remaining faithful until the end. Thus, the warning passages are meant to guard against not remaining faithful. It's like if a guy says to his fiancé "We're going to have a great married life." This is contingent upon the girl no sleeping with some guy during the engagement period. What man says is a promise so long as the girl remains faithful. In like manner, "...He will complete it..." is contingent upon a person remaining faithful to Christ during this "engagement period" prior to Christ's return.
His explanation about the "warning" passages doesn't apply in any area of life. The whole point of a warning is because of the actual possibility that the negative consequences associated with not following the warnings may come to pass. If a person can't actually succumb to what the warning is all about then it is not a warning. If I told someone "Don't invest in that company or else you'll lose $50,000" it's not a warning if the possibility of losing the money doesn't actually exist. If there is no possible way that I could lose the $50K then it's not a warning to be heeded because I'll never lose the money.
The issue with Paul is not an issue because the warning was heeded and thus the promise kept. You can't use that story to justify saying "All warning passages are therefore going to be heeded by everyone it is given to down through church history." The promise is contingent upon heeding the warning. This is exactly what Paul is saying.
In 1 John 23:19 John is NOT saying that what he said is a way to discern everyone who leaves Jesus throughout church history. John is writing about a specific group of people they dealt with.
Most importantly, no one in the Bible ever even states that the warnings are the "Means" by which God keeps people. This is a concept created by men so as to keep so version of "once saved always saved".
God is simple. I think it was overcomplicated. There are other scriptures as well. There are goats who have never been known by Jesus, though, they are big believers and miracle makers. Who is lookwarm, also will be spit out of His mouth. Who is not like a child, has not even gotten a chance to get in. Overcomplicated Bible explanations make people like clever adults, not like a child. The letter kills, and the Spirit gives only life.
I like the example with the fiancé..Spot on. I was replying recently to an adherent to OSAS and said: If a doctor gives you a pill for your bad heart and says: "you will live if you take this" it does not mean you will live if you take it and then jump off the Empire State Building. When a Christian returns to habitual sin he no longer believes the Gospel that saved him. The testimony God gives of His son is that He did indeed free you from sin but the professing Christian, in returning to a sinful lifestyle, is saying they can have God (eternally) ANDNOT BE FREE OF SIN. Right there he has made God a liar and therefore the word of eternal life is no longer in him (because God cannot lie) 1 John 1:10 and 1 John 5:10).
1st John was written to dispel the OSAS myth creeping in in Johns' time. The gnostic teaching of dualism, from Plato and hellenism, said: "body, bad and the spirit, good". The immature Christian saw how that related to them having a body from Adam, capable of sin, and a born again spirit, from Jesus, that is righteous. They then said: "Well, if body is bad it does not matter what we do in it (sin wise) because righteousness is in our spirit and that is the part of us that is saved and heaven bound". That is exactly what OSAS says. OSAS says you will be saved no matter what you do in the body because righteousness is in your spirit and that can't sin. OSAS is gnostic.
@@oneway6681 If you take the warning passages such as Hebrews 3:12 you will see that it is believers that are being warned and the warning is to not depart from God. It's not goats who are being warned but actual believers.
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@@michaelchurchmcmwell said
For those of you who didn’t like Dr. Schreiner’s answer to this problem, good luck finding a better one.
He acknowledges the reality of preservation passages, the reality of warning passages, and the exegetical difficulties with trying to explain away the idea that the warning passages aren’t intended for real Christians (because they are!). The fact is, no real Christian should ever have confidence in their election unto salvation when they are living in sin. Peter says: “Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. 11 For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 1:10-11). This doesn’t mean that real Christians won’t ever fall into serious sin in their lifetime, but the Holy Spirit’s role is to convict true believers to increase in holiness, while decreasing in sin. As such, and as usual, the Holy Spirit uses means to accomplish this purpose.
God knows who He has elected and who will therefore, persevere to the end-no one else does, including those who are saved. This is why we should never rest solely in a one time profession of faith. Instead, our confidence in Christ’s substitutionary death rests in our life long confession lived out in holy living. Yes: faith alone, in Christ alone, by God’s grace alone. But no to a faith that “is” alone: “faith without works is dead.”
OSAS is a license to sin. If OSAS is true then God is not a God of justice. Read Matthew 13: 3-23.
I'm sorry, but I don't know what OSAS is.
Ahhhh! "Once Saved, Always Saved!" I would agree that OSAS is often presented as a synonym for antinomianism (a heresy). However, the doctrine of election is not the doctrine of OSAS. True Calvinists, such as Dr. Schreiner, never separate election from effectual calling. Here is the WCF Article 10.1
"1. All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, he is pleased, in his appointed and accepted time, effectually to call,[1] by his Word and Spirit,[2] out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature to grace and salvation, by Jesus Christ;[3] enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God,[4] taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them an heart of flesh;[5] renewing their wills, and, by his almighty power, determining them to that which is good,[6] and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ:[7] yet so, as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.[8]" (taken from reformed.org)
God is a God of justice. He is also a God of mercy. His justice and his mercy are perfectly satisfied on the cross. Of course, salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, but salvation is never by a faith that "is" alone:
-"faith without works is dead" (James 2:26).
-"If any man is in Christ, he is a new creation, the old is gone, behold the new has come" (2 Corinthians 5:17).
-"seek out your own salvation in fear and trembling for it is God who works within you both to will and work according to His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:12b-13).
Of course, believers bear good fruit. They are the "good soil" those to whom the mysteries of the kingdom have been revealed.
-"And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father” (John 6:65).
It is not the one who hears only. But the one who understands; and that understanding is not simply mental, it is spiritual.
-"The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14).
"For what was sown on good soil, this is the word who hears it and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundred fold, in another case sixty, and in another thirty" (Matthew 13:23). The ones who hear and understand are the ones to whom "[[[it has been given]]] to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven..." they are the ones who have (knowledge) and to whom more will be given. Who then is the one who has, and will have more? To whom the mysteries of the kingdom of God has been given.
Thanks for the reply!
i agree with you Andrew Summers. God is the initiator, He call us first, He drew to us first that's why we draw to Him.I believe our salvation is instantaneous but our sanctification is a process. Its a day to day process. It's is the Holy Spirit who will sanctify you not you. And oh when you encounter Jesus, if you truly encounter Jesus, you will want what He wants. You will do what He wants you to do. The law will be written in your heart and it will just be natural for you to obey it.
Speaks truth.
Or, you could say the promise is conditional. Jesus did say abide in Him.
The promise is only conditional on our faith. A one time faith. We should abide in Him for service. Not for salvation. We are in Him. We are part of the body of Christ on earth. Second Corinthians 5:21. He keeps us saved. John 10:28-29. Hebrews 13:5. First John 5:13. Second Timothy 2:13. He will never leave us or forsake us. He will never cast us out. God cannot lie. John 6:40. John 6:29. John 6:47. John 5:24. John 3:18. The blood of Jesus covers us from all sin. Colossians 2:13. He has forgiven us ALL trespasses. Past, present, and future. Romans 4:5-8.
@@jimkraft9445You DIDN'T read what the rest of Scripture says. You DIDN'T read WHO is saved !
@@endtimesareuponus8930 John 3:18. John 5:24.
James 5:19-20 ESV: My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
The answer is yes
This is not talking about someone losing their salvation but rather about dying as a consequence from ones sin.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
There’s not even a mention of heaven or hell, just because we see the word “save” we cannot translate that to spiritual salvation. When Peter was sinking in the water and he cried to Jesus Lord save me! He wasn’t talking about his spiritual salvation, he just didn’t want to drown.
@@wendymtzc how can someone be brought back to the truth if they are dead?
They can’t, when did I say that
@@wendymtzc "This is not talking about someone losing their salvation but rather about dying as a consequence from ones sin."
"There’s not even a mention of heaven or hell, just because we see the word “save” we cannot translate that to spiritual salvation. When Peter was sinking in the water and he cried to Jesus Lord save me! He wasn’t talking about his spiritual salvation, he just didn’t want to drown."
If ur not talking about spiritual death idk what you talkin about. With the peter refrence and the fact u said he wasnt talking about spiritual death makes me think for some odd reason u talking about physical death
@@seekingtruthministrys4119 sorry, I think we’re not understanding each other… have a good day.
Don't 'pretend' be genuine in your faith. If you were honestly saved, you are saved. If it was just lip service, you need to get honest with yourself.
74spirit, you actually stated an interesting thought. I'm curious, concerning your statement about being saved or not and being honest with one's self, do you belief in faith alone salvation and once saved always saved? Your answer will help me better understand your comment. Thanks brother. God bless
So so many scriptures that speak on this subject, making me feel secure, another saying something totally different to where I’m having major anxiety. Why don’t all scriptures on salvation say the same thing? It’s so confusing to me and scary.
What are the contradictions you're worried about, friend?
“Being Saved” is accepting the Grace of God by faith in the cross and Christ’s victory over sin. The debt owed God by man has been paid and no longer exists. Belief in that puts us at square one with God in Christ. This is the new covenant and it is no longer based on the law....why...
Because repentance means we reject the ways of the flesh and become a “new creation in Christ.” We have put aside the old for the new. We no longer need the law, we have walked through the door directly to God through Jesus Christ.
Since we are in the process of sanctification, we are “yet sinners”. Satan preys upon your guilt for sin and plants seeds of doubt. That is intended to destroy your faith. The difference between the old creation in the flesh and the new is two fold . Our faith, which saves us and our DESIRE to “walk in the ways” of the Lord instead of the sinful desires of the flesh and ourselves.
Your desire to do this is in your heart, mind and soul and cannot be lost, if you meant what you said when you believed. God becomes part of you and you become part of Him because you want to.
Satan is trying to rip you away. Talk to God often during the day and share your doubts, fear, joys and pains. He loves nothing better than to be in constant communication with you.
Think about it. There is nothing unclear about this. Ask yourself where is my heart? You know the answer.
Remember when Peter failed?
He even denied Jesus! Not once but three times!
What a terrible sin! As:
Matthew 10:33 (KJV) "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."
But remember what Jesus said, even before Peter denied Him?
Luke 22:32 (KJV) "But I HAVE PRAYED FOR THEE, THAT THY FAITH FAIL NOT: and WHEN thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren."
Can Jesus pray and fail?
Of course Not! Never!
After that event, we can read that the assurance of Peter's salvation is 100% guantere despites he will at one time denies Him 3 times. Because Jesus said he will repent when He said :"WHEN thou art converted" and that "NONE IS LOST" even though at that moment Peter have not denied Him yet:
John 17:12 (KJV) "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and NONE OF THEM IS LOST, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."
That's how powerfull is our GOD!!!
HE guard us from falling away, He pray that none of His sheep is lost.
Jude 1:24 (KJV) "Now unto HIM THAT IS ABLE TO KEEP YOU FROM FALLING, and TO PRESENT YOU FAULTNESS before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,"
That's what it mean to be a SAVIOUR!
It's not that He just forgive our sins, but fail to bring us to heaven.
But He's not just forgive our sins, but He make sure HE PRESENT US FAULTNESS before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,"
WHAT A GOD!!!
Jude 1:25 (KJV) "To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."
They do say the same thing. But God makes it difficult so that only those who diligently seek Him through dedicated study of the Bible with reliance on the Holy Spirit will discover how these things are harmonized. I was at the same place you were twenty years ago. This is what I have found. If you are truly interested in reconciling these things, here is a link which may be very enlightening. It will take time and petitioning the Holy Spirit. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
@Wayne B With all respect, Dr. Arnold is a false teacher. You should consider an alternative view based on the Bible. Dr. Arnold is leading many into a false assurance which will end in horror. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
There was one word the good Dr. played down in Paul's ship wreak story which was the little word 'if'. Instead he said the warning passages served to save all the men. Yes, they did serve a purpose but some of all of those men could have still disobeyed Paul's warning and then not be saved. Such warnings apply to us but the 'if' is still the linchpin. That is we will be saved 'if' and only if we are obedient to the warning verses that are all directed at the saved. What good is t to say to Jesus 'I believe in You but I won't obey You'.
Scripture is clear that there are 3 periods of salvation that can be lost at anytime if we do not continue in obedience. We have been saved ( Ephesians 2:8-10), then we are being saved as we work out our salvation in fear and trembling and we remain in Christ (ie. avoid sin that leads to spiritual death which are spelled out in Scripture: fornication, adultery, murder, etc and these warnings are directed to Christians and Paul warns them all that, if they live that way, the being believers, will not inherit eternal life) and late we will be saved if we endure till the end.That makes a lot more sense. The truth is God simply has fore knowledge of who will chose life and who will reject life. That is what is meant by we were predestined. That is God gives the grace needed for salvation to everyone but we each have to be obedient to that grace. We have to cooperate with that grace. So, Scripture is both/and and not either/or and it is clear that if we remain in Christ, nothing can separate us from God but, 'if' we don't, salvation can and will be lost. God bless.
Amen!! If people just did a word study on the word if
Wow good luck as in trying to save yourself 😁 what was the purpose of the cross then, you make no sense. What God was some sort of me a proposition, the can save you 'IF you believe 🙄 what about His blood?
@@Tommythecat007 Your first statement is a form of Pelagianism which was condemned by the church at the Council of Carthage in 418. Pelagius taught the primacy of human effort in salvation ie. we could save ourselves through human effort. The church teaches Christ's death on the cross provided the grace we need to cooperate with God's salvation but we must be cooperative with that grace. The church teaches God created us with freewill and, though He wishes for all men to be saved, He will not saves us against our will. In the end, we will reap what we saw.
Your second statement makes me think of Universalism It was taught by Origin but condemned by the church at the Council of Constantinople in 543. I'm not sure if Origin taught that the blood of Christ would provide the salvation of ALL humans and perhaps the fallen angels at the end of time but the idea is similar ie. that all will be saved. I'm told we still have Universalism today maybe in some Unitarian churches.
I know when I was a Protestant, I can see now that I read the Bible as either/or instead of both/and. So, I read verses that seemed to say I could not lose my salvation and ignored any that seemed to say I could. Once I learned that the assurance verses were for those who are 'abiding' in Christ (to me that means not guilty of sins leading to spiritual death eg. adultery, murder, etc. that need to be confessed) , that helped me see the reasonableness of the warning verses that contained words like 'if', 'provided', and 'I warn you'. Hope this helps. God bless.
@@billlee2194 no you are listening to man-made theology, not what the scriptures state, to hold your position you would have to do deny all the following verses and that my friend is not possible.
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Lamentations 3:31-33
For no one is cast off by the Lord forever.(You seem to portray some will be, so any some will be theory is deemed heresy with one verse already)Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone.
1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
1 Corinthians 15:22For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
Just as the result of one trespass was condemnation of all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.” (Rom. 5:18)
Jesus is “able even to subdue all things to Himself.” (Phil. 3:21)
Jesus came “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will.” (Eph. 1:10, 11)
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9)
All shall know the Lord, from the least of them to the greatest of them.” (Heb. 8:11)
Mercy shall triumph over judgment.” (James 2:13)
Every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever.” (Rev. 5:13)
Through the greatness of your power your enemies shall submit themselves to you. all the earth shall worship You and sing praises to you.” (Ps. 66:3, 4)
For I will not contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would fail before Me, And the souls which I have made.” (Isaiah 57:16)
There is no God besides Me, a just God and Savior; there is none besides Me. Look to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself; the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall take an oath. He shall say, surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength. To Him men shall come, and all shall be ashamed who are incensed against Him. In the Lord all the descendants of Israel shall be justifed and shall glory.” (Isaiah 45:21-25)
Philippians 2: 9-11
9Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, In heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, To the glory of God the Father.
In this mountain the Lord of Hosts will make for all people a feast of choice pieces, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of well-refined wines on the lees. And he shall destroy on this mountain the surface of the covering cast over all nations. He will swallow up death forever, and the Lord will wipe away tears from all faces.” (Isaiah 25:6-8)
Of those who crucified Him (which is all of us) Jesus declared: “Father forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34)
But God would not take away a life; He would devise plans so that the one banished from Him does not remain banished.” 2 Sam. 14:14
Jesus says: “I pass judgment on no one.” [John 8:15]
4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5He saved us(past tense), not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth.(Born again) Titus3: 3-6
For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. Romans 11:32
Quite simply if you could lose salvation then you surely would.
The scripture clearly says salvation belongs to the Lord it has nothing to do with you. It was a gift. A gift is solely substantiated on the intention of the giftor whether your intention is to receive it or not.... full stop.
It is not your salvation to lose.
A gift is a gift regardless of the intention or response by the giftee, but solely at the intention of the giftor. You seem to have some co-operative contract running.
You can't loose your Salvation. Once saved always saved. But you could loose the joy of the salvation. Ask Jesus to restore the joy of the salvation.
@poonam jadhwani , salvation from past sins is a free gift, but you must belong to Christ to enter heaven - and only those who obey God’s commandments belong to Christ! You can’t earn salvation, but you can earn damnation thru sin.
@Marie W 777 , you’re a blatant liar. Here’s proof:
1 John 2:3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
@@joebolling if you continue to live in habitual sin will you enter the kingdom of God, ? JESUS SAID TO HIM WHO OVERCOMES, REMAINING IN HABITUAL SIN IS NOT OVER COMING SIN BUT IS IN FACT DISOBEDIENCE, WILL THOSE WHO REMAIN IN HABITUAL SIN ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD??????
NO, FOR THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SIN WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD AS THERE ARE OVER 80 SCRIPTURES TO PROOF of this fact !.
@@jamesmcallister9645 , I quite agree. You’re preaching to the choir... perhaps you responded to the wrong person ;)
@@joebolling so sorry i idi infact reply to the wrong person for i believe the doctrine of osas is a doctrine of men, demons and satan as there are over 80 scriptures declare lukewarm christains will nt inherit the kingdom of God its impossible to enter heaven as a lukewarm christain and Jesus warns and makes it crystal clear i lived believing the deception of osas for 25 years until i watched David pawson preach on this and expose this false doctrine.
My head is Spinning! Something to ponder about and again thank you!🕇
Girl, read your Bible and not the teachings of Men and ask the Holy Spirit to explain it to you. The Bible cannot contradict itself. It makes it clear that Sin has eternal consequeces regardless of your status when commiting it. It is littered all over the Bible. The verses he's used has been twisted to suit what he is saying. The Bible is so clear about this that I can't even believe that its been debated:
Ezekiel 18:4, 24; John 8:31,32; Matthew 7:14, 17-27; Galatians 5:25; Mark13:33-37; Luke 13: 24-28, Luke 9:62, John 15:6-7; Romans 11:22; 1 Corinthians 10:12; Hebrews 10:38,39; Hebrews 6:4-6; Luke 8:13; Hebrews 3:12-14; James 5:19-22; Revelation 3:11 etc.
Let me know if you need more scriptures.
@Holly Ozioma , you are correct.
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People still can choose whether they will be SAVE or NOT
even GOD promise eternal life
Accepting Jesus is the start of your Journey until the last breath of your life we should stand Firm with Jesus for the prize HE promised 🙏
Repent of sin and Trust in Jesus for the kingdom of God is at hand!
John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Matthew 7:13-23
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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Gl. 6.7 : " Be not deceived, God is not mocked for whatsoever a man soweth that he shall reap" Jn 8.34 "Whosoever commitheth a sin is a servant of sin", Hb. 6.10 "For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love----"
If you believe once saved always saved , then please make sure you are truly saved by living a holy life. Sanctification is the proof of Justification.
If you believe you can lose your salvation, then please live in such a way that you will not lose your salvation ie live a holy life.
why would God use a warning that isnt actually true anyway? if the warning is true, then it follows logically that it is the reason why it was given.
This will be my final reply. This reply is in response to James McAllister. If someone continues in habitual sin with no effect on their conscience, without regret, without dread or without an overwhelming desire for repentance, they were never saved in the first place.
If you’re truly saved, you have received The Holy Spirit from The Father because of The Son’s (Jesus) sacrifice on the cross. You receive The Holy Spirit to be you’re helper, to convict you of sin, demand repentance and continually sanctify you in your walk with Jesus. Romans 7:14- 8:1-39 explains my point of view. If you are truly saved, you will ever be called to repentance when you do sin and ever be called to eliminate sin in your life. This calling is from the Holy Spirit who dwells within you. To say you can lose your salvation is to deny salvation by Grace. Jesus’ admonishments showed that sin is in all of our lives and none are justified apart from Him. He also says He will send the Helper/ Holy Spirt who enables us to do the Fathers will. This would suggest to me that had Jesus not sent the Holy Spirit, even in believing, we would fail. Once again this also suggests Grace and that it is God doing all of the work so that we will not fail. We are saved by Grace, through faith in Christ Jesus, lest any man should boast. God Bless
You can lose your salvation. The parable of the Prodigal Son is a perfect example... As soon as the son was give his share and left, he lost his sonship and all previledges of being a son. But His father still loved him. In essense, men are the ones who walk away from God and through sinning they loose their salvation and place before God. But God still loves man even though he sins. As soon as the prodigal son repented in his heart he went back to his father and they were re-united. Since God's love is constant, all He awaits is for men to realise their sinful ways and repent and abandon completely their sinful lifestyles and with Open arms God will recieve them back.
Sin seperates Man from Elohim.
If you did not do anything to EARN that Salvation - HOW are you going to UN- EARN IT?
“I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may KNOW that you HAVE (present tense) eternal life.”
1 John 5:13 ESV
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9
That’s Christianity 101.
Salvation is ENTIRELY a WORK of GOD.
As Jonah states, salvation is of the Lord.
Being a new creature. Is present tense.
So that is done. Not in process.
Sanctification is process - but handled entirely by the Holy Spirit.
The in James - are evidences of regeneration, NOT works required for salvation.
“Lest any man boast”
And that is the crux - lest any man BOAST.
When the crowd asked who then can be saved? After hearing the highest standard, with which Jesus describes keeping the law, highlighting that you can Sin even in your thoughts, before the actual deed!
The crowd rightly panicked! Jesus described an impossible standard!
Jesus then states quite clearly “with man, this is impossible, but with God anything is possible.”
With man it is impossible !
It’s only God that can open the eyes of a man, and enable him to respond, even enables you to repent! (Acts 11:17-18, Acts 5:30-31, 2 Tim 2:24-25)
We are dead in our sins, therefore unable to respond to the call of God.
No one seeks God.
No one does good.
That’s our state. Our nature.
R.C. Sproul describes, “God just doesn’t throw a life preserver to a drowning person. He goes to the bottom of the sea, and pulls a corpse from the bottom of the sea, takes him up on the bank, breathes into him the breath of life and makes him alive.” I believe that our salvation is of the Lord from start to finish, from election to glorification. If it were up to us, we would have never been saved.”
“Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,”
Romans 5:20 ESV
Jesus has entered in as our high priest.
He is able to KEEP his sheep.
I think the sticking point is are you really saved. ..? Which is certainly a key point as this is something Jesus addresses personally and tells us he will separate the false converts and the true at the Judgement.
Another example, since Lucifer was once an annointed cherub of God he had salvation then until iniquity was found in him Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Iniquity was found in him and he never repented at all. In Rev 12 we see how he was struck down from heaven.. The thing is if Lucifer had repented God would have forgiven him but he is too proud to repent. And we all know the end result of Satan is eternal damnation Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
So Lucifer was cut off from God completely due to his sinful nature.. And are we if we continue in the life of sin we will follow suit.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The Prodigal son...was still his son.
@@thewarriorcallthe prodigal son was a son when his relationship was right with his father. When he walked away with his inheritance and severed his relationship his father there was a gap in the relationship. He siezed from being a fathers son to a slave of sin, slave of the system, slave of the world. He could not operate as a son because he was busy "enjoyin himself" wasting life away.
It is not until he squanders everything that he realise his initial status as a son. All the priviledges he had as a son. Mind you this moment he lived as a slave eating pig feed. Not until he repented in his heart, forsook evil bad lifestyle that he realised he was a son.
Life of sin will rob you the status of being a son. Sin will make you a slave.
@@njengakeilan even as a backslidden son, he was STILL his son. He wasn't kicked out of the family. Backsliders are STILL God's children. They may have lost the relationship, but not their status of salvation or part of the family.
“Therefore I said unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time MANY of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him”
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I believe they had the freewill to stay and live or get off the ship and die. I think when you are promised to be saved, that is saying God will for sure do His part if you believe what He says. That does not mean you have no free will to walk away from God, and lose out on the promise. This makes more sense to me that warning people about something that can not happen.
One of the best examples is John 15. You see people already attached to the vine, who is defined as Jesus, being pruned off and gathered up and burned. I think that shows you have freewill to stay attached or not.
So are you saying, that every time you sin, you become unattached? That means I am daily attached and then reattached. So if I happen to die while attached, I'm good and will go to heaven but if I die during sin, lets say within a few hrs period, then I go to hell? Thats way to confusing and like a roller coaster. 😔
Knewme no. Everyone sins. Its more so giving up your faith. Choosing to stop following/seeking.
@@joeregan. Ok, and I sure hope so, otherwise I'm in big trouble. I get angry at least twice, and I swear less than I use to but I still struggle at least once or twice a day. I commit other sins as well and immediately feel guilty. And usually ask for forgiveness right after. This has always been very confusing to me as to why I continue to be tempted and continue to struggle at a lessor degree from before, but I still do. Thank you for your response.
Read when Peter denied Jesus 2 times.
After warning him, jesus said:
Luke 22:32 (KJV) But I HAVE PRAYED FOR THEE, THAT THY FAITH FAIL NOT: and WHEN thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren."
Jesus even said in next event when He pray:
John 17:12 (KJV) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and NONE OF THEM IS LOST, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."
BEFORE PETER COMMIT HIS SIN!!
What part did Peter do?
He didn't do something that made him not lost, he did the opposite! He did what Jesus warn him!
So technically he lost at that time
Matthew 10:33 (KJV) "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."
But because of these: "But I HAVE PRAYED FOR THEE, THAT THY FAITH FAIL NOT" and these saying "NONE OF THEM IS LOST" so there would be "WHEN thou art converted" for Peter.
Because:
Jude 1:24 (KJV) "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,"
What kind of a saviour if Jesus forgives sins but failing "to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy?
@@TheSmackdwn Nooooooooo!!! No one ever said that. It is a complete straw man argument. But continual, willful sin, resisting the Spirit of Grace, will cause you to be cut off. You would do well to petition the Holy Spirit to reveal these things to you for you are being misled. Here is a link to a channel which you may find very enlightening should you so desire to seek after truth. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
So if you can lose your salvation, you are saying in a sense that Jesus sacrifice on the cross was not enough to cover all of your sins? And if not when John says I say these things so you will KNOW you have enteral life, it was not true. Because a sin has managed to change something eternal into something not. The implications of what I see some saying is that there is a point when you sin that can tip you over into the non saved category. Well how much sin is that? And what about the scripture that say if we sin and repent God is faithful to forgive?
We gain salvation by faith but then lost it because of a sin? So I sin today I am out of salvation, then I repent and I am back in. So we can't really know if we are saved.
The way I see it is anyone who falls away, was never saved to begin with.
Your reply indicates that you do not understand the New Covenant. For those who John says they know they have eternal life, what is that based upon? Trusting in Jesus' so-called finished work alone? The New Covenant washes current sins away conditionally on an obedient and abiding faith walk. Your straw man argument about a single sin disqualifying a true believer is clearly addressed. If you sincerely are a seeker of truth, then here is a channel which will methodically lay out all of these things for you. It may be the most important thing you will listen to up to this point in your life. I sincerely hope so. Here you are:
th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
I have messed up after I got saved but I'm not giving up. I think the enemy would love if I did but Jesus died for all of us. I believe in him with all my heart but I backslid into the world am I going to hell? That's why I'm here watching this video, I don't know. I pray everyday and hope that if I resist sin that the devil will flee from me and I will get closer to God. I can't just give up because I drifted off and made mistakes! In the story of the prodigal son, isn't he raised morally and taught the truth of the gospel before he takes off and gets into the world?! Then he returns and is forgiven? I could be wrong I need to read that again. Anyway, I obviously could use some prayer. Peace and love from above.
If you’re truly repentant, scripture says God is faithful to forgive. But repentance isn’t very convincing when the sin keeps getting repeated, it likely means you’re more in love with the sin than you are with God. That’s really for God to decide for each of us, but scripture is quite clear that those that love him will obey his commandments and those that don’t love him won’t obey his commandments. It also says we know who belongs to Christ and who belongs to the devil exclusively by who keeps the commandments and who doesn’t. We don’t even receive the Holy Spirit until we’ve established continual obedience. If you’re repeating sin, you need to figure out how to hate that sin so much that you despise that it would even cross your mind for a fleeting second. That’s being a man after God’s own heart, literally hating what he hates for the same reason he hates it, and loving what he loves for the same reason that he loves it. Endure to the end my friend. You can do it. According to scripture, God never allows us to encounter a temptation that he doesn’t provide a way of escape from. Those that love him seek that escape and find it, those that love sin instead commit the sin. Run to God and never look back at those past sins, never be the dog that returns to its vomit.
Kenny's music and gaming videos Jesus taught that if your right hand causes you to sin then cut it off; if your eye causes you to sin then pluck it out. It’s better to be blind and lamb in heaven than to have two good eyes and two good hands in hell. Jesus loves you as you are but loves you too much to leave you as you are. Strive for that holiness without which no man shall see God.
I lived in constant condemnation thinking i was not good enough and failed miserably. i constantly ran to the alter to "recommit" my life. God drew you and you came. we read and study the Word to grow in faith and knowledge. How can you trust someone you don't know? Once you are born again you are forgiven of past sins, but just as any true relationship, we must maintain it. God is Holy and sin separates us from God. We should never be living in habitual sin because Jesus set us free from the bondage of sin and death. Like Peter who only needed His feet washed I John 1:9 is our spiritual foot washing "if we confess our sins, He forgives us our sins and cleanses us from all unrighteousness." This was written to believers! Please understand that the more we study and pray and get to know God, HE changes us. HE convicts us. He gives us His Word and His Spirit, but we must remain IN Him until the end. The yoke is easy because you realize you cannot save yourself and the burden is light because you are not walking in this world alone. But remember sin is still present on this earth. The lust of the flesh is still a struggle and the devil is still seeking whom he may devour (he leads sheep astray with deception and condemnation). 48 years in the instutional churches. Finally read the Word for myself and learned about the Reformation and counter-reformation. There are people trying to mislead you. Yes we are sinners and nothing at all, but Jesus Christ is our all in all. He is the WAY of salvation. This is why we follow Him and endure until the end. We do works because of love and gratitude of his shed blood on the cross to pay the penalty for sin and provide the way of forgiveness. The world (its ungodly system Satan's kingdom), the flesh (our unregenerate nature) and the devil (our spiritual enemy) these can be defeated through Jesus Christ as we walk. See Pilgrim's Progress for a great allegory. Hope this helps clarify things. Freedom IS in Christ Jesus so remain in the faith and endure in this faith until the end. The devil will try to pull you away, but that is why we put on our spiritual armor.
i john 1:9 Kenny we begin with a measure of faith and as we study the Word of God and pray, we grow in our trust and understanding of God and His ways. He knows our hearts. Salvation is by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone. It is a walk (continuous) it is a race: rewarded at the finish line (salvation of our souls). He saved us by giving us new life and drawing us to Himself. We believe and are converted as we repent (turn from sin and the way of destruction) and turn to Jesus Christ who is the Way, the Truth, the Life. We will mess up, but if we come to God, through Jesus Christ, He not only forgives us, but cleanses us from all untighteousness. It is like Peter getting a foot washing from Jesus. He was clean except for his feet because he walked in the world. I hope this helps as i see this was 2 years ago.
@hopeseeker97 , “we will mess up”... that’s not good. There’s not really any room for mess ups. You are correct that God is faithful to forgive when we repent, but keyword is “repent”, meaning we forsake sin and practice righteousness. There are people that sin daily and think they are repenting at the end of each day, but that’s not repentance.
1 John 3:8 “ *Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil* “
I dunno, it seems like a stretch to say the warnings are the means. Why not take the Word of God as it is and take the warnings as actual warnings?
why would you even have to use warnings as a means to “keep” them if they couldn’t fall away? this made no sense. stop following john calvin’s teachings, and read the bible ONLY.
Just a heads up, there is a rabid Calvinist who laughingly calls himself тнє вєяєαη, on Gab who, rather than engage here, likes to take comments from TH-cam that he doesn't agree with, and, like a coward, refute them where no one is able to defend their stance. He has take your comment and used it to mock you, stating that you "don’t have a high view of Scriptures"
Do you believe Jeremiah 31:33-34 has been fulfilled with the new covenent?
Warnings or guides are used as guidelines to keep things in order and preserve things. So with guidelines, the teachable and children of God do yield to the instructions of God given to them to preserve them. So the outcome is sure for the children of God because, like the sailors, they will yield to the counsel of how to go about life. But to the unruly, lawless, they won't subscribe to HIS voice and they will move out with the small boats and meet the doom that only happens to those thar don't listen to the warnings of God because they are not HIS in the first place. I hope this helps. The video is so wholesome and simple if we look at it again without bias.
@@kingsleyobiajunwa4361 This video only makes sense if viewed through the Calvinist bias, when you look at it again without bias, you see just how much it contradicts the Bible.
Excellent Katie
Too true that a born again believer is kept/preserved by Jesus Christ. What is overlooked is that the Lord takes us from being any longer under the law (Rom 5:15, 6:14 7:4,8, moral law written in our hearts) so that no longer are we found sinners. Which thing was also the rule in the OT, as David wrote in Rom 4:8, God no imputing any sin/fault vs us any more (2 Cor 5:19), not even remembering our sins any longer (Heb 8:12 10:17). The reason also given for taking us from under the law is in Heb 6, for if He had not He would have to die a second time or more, which thing He could not do, for as a man like us He could only die ONE time, as written in Hebrews 9:26-28. Moving us from under the law means we do not sin any longer, even if as sons being conformed to His image we stumble (not fall!) and have faults/errors (He 9:7 Gal 6:1 Jude 1:24 1Cor 6:7 1 Pet 2:20). Christians are no longer sinners, but have faults and commit errors till the day they attain to ‘sinless perfection’ (Phil 3:12) on the other side, in heaven. Salvation as a gift of GOD by Christ cannot be lost, you are right!
@Jose Fernandez-Leon , no where in the Bible does it say we no longer have to obey God’s commandments, in fact quite the opposite.
The only law that we are free from is the man made oral law of the Pharisees, which is referred to as tradition of the elders. Scripture is quite clear only those who are obedient to God’s commandments belong to Christ.
Joe Bolling No Joe, the Bible tells that believers are under the Commands to Believe in his Son and love one another 1John 3 (law of Christ). We live or walk by the power of the Indwelling Spirit of Christ in us, as we yield-submit-surrender to Him, our compass, not the Moral law which is for the conviction of one yet in unbelief 2 Tim 1. Try to do the 10 commandments in your own power and you, as every one else will surely likewise fail.
I think 1 Corinthians offers a great opportunity to debate... All the Jews in the wilderness were "saved", but when they refused to obey and wished to turn back they were "killed."
Starting in 1 Corinthians Chapter 9 Paul talks about the "freedom" we have in Christ. He concludes that chapter with admonition to self-discipline "I strike a blow to my body and make it a slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize." You might argue that the "prize" is just "rewards in heaven."
But Paul opens Chapter 10 to warn us from Israel's history:
"...our ancestors were all under the same cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea... they all drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was CHRIST. Nevertheless, God was not pleased with MOST of them; their BODIES were scattered in the wilderness. Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did... So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't FALL!"
Apostasy is real. Rejection of the faith is real. "Once saved always saved" isn't a concept from the Bible as far as I can read. If the "Chosen People" weren't "safe" out in the desert from apostasy then neither are we who may have once claimed allegiance to Christ but have "faith but not works" that James speaks of. As much as it is up to Christ, we are saved. As much as it is up to us we have the ability to "stand firm" in the faith... or to walk away or simply fall away through lack of a faith to keep us "in Christ."
Great point about Israels history warning. Also in 1 Corinthians Paul says that sinners will not inherit the kingdom of God even if they believe in Christ. Many people in Corinth heard the gospel and believed but continued to live immoral lifestyles thinking they had salvation but Paul made it clear, sexually immoral, liars, etc will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Well said my friend ...ASOS is the doctrine and fall gospel from satan
Hi, I'm a little confused. I think this video is about salvation in a spiritual sense, but all the examples you've given have talked about being saved in a physical sense, as if those people dying or "BODIES" being scattered in the wilderness is the same thing as their sould bring condemned. Spiritual salvation doesn't mean no harm will ever come to our bodies or that we won't die...
@@MJ-gm7km Do you believe that God would punish the Hebrews for breaking the 10 commandments in the desert by taking their life. Only to turn around and give them eternal life in heaven? What do you make of Ananias and Sapphira?
Rock was a type not literally the anointed one. Come on, let’s get serious and not say that was actually Christ, there. If so then I guess they drank his blood and ate his flesh at the last supper. You must let truth ring clear not false teaching. Yahuah speed.
My biggest problem with this thought is the example of King Saul in 1 Samuel 10 it says God's Spirit was upon him and he prophesied with the prophets, God clearly chose him and anointed him. Yet he still fell away. And even after God punished for his sin, it still seems that God's desire was still to redeem Saul if you follow David's mercy on him, and his unwillingness to kill a man God had chosen. I do not think they are idol warnings against falling away, but in the same regards, I don't think it is easy to fall away as slipping up either.
You are thinking well about the example of Saul, but don't be too confident to say "I don't think it is easy to fall away as slipping up either." The thing is if you define slipping up the wrong way, or someone who hears you gets the wrong idea, for instance, committing any sins of the flesh as those mentioned in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Colossians 3:5-10, Ephesians 5:3-5, even once every several months, that would be a deadly slip up. You cannot think lightly of any deliberate/willful sin. You can see how the warnings are given.
Peace to you!
I think in studying this, the best conclusion I can draw and the reason for such confusion I can see is this. First we have assurance form God that no one or nothing can TAKE our salvation we see these ideas in Rom. 8:33-39 and John 10:27-29. But Salvation boils down to 2 simple things Rom. 10:9-10. 1 confess with your mouth...., and 2 believe in your heart. And a lot of the debate rest on the 2nd. The believing in your heart. Whether they did believe when they confessed and still do now.
There is but one way, one thing we can do to be saved, and it revolves around the believing and receiving of Christ's sacrifice. With that there is just one way, one thing you can do to loose Salvation at its core, is to stop believing, to freely walk away. Nothing can TAKE it from you including our sin, that is our assurance as believers, but John 15:5-7, Jesus makes it clear it is possible to stop remaining in him. Other Scriptural warning back this up. Essentially no one TAKES your Salvation, you freely GIVE it up, by stop believing.
Might I add that though sin can't take your salvation, it's continual practice clouds and corrupts the heart and mind, and leads you astray, further and further away from Christ. No Christian wakes up and simply says, I don't believe anymore, but they can slowly wonder further away from the truth, and the firmness of their belief and acceptance of Christ's gift, to the point they do no longer believe and then have Given up their Salvation.
When someone is truly saved they can't lose their Salvation. The natural response from the recipient is to do good works. Sanctification and fruit producing will happen in their life, Repentance and faith in Jesus. We are saved by His grace through Jesus Christ. They will endure in their faith until the end. If someone backslides like we all do, the truly saved end up always coming back and enduring. If someone falls away forever they were never truly saved.
We receive a new heart, reborn, when truly saved. That new heart desires his righteousness. The natural response to a truly saved person is good works. Good works isn't what saves you. Its the response of receiving Salvation. We love Him therefore we obey Him. None of us could live up to the his moral law. We broke God's law. Jesus paid the fine.
Many people say they are saved but they fall away and fruits were never produced. They were not truly saved. The seed did not take root.
Through our working out of Salvation, we aren't sinless but we sin LESS
Not in all cases. This is the Calvinist doctrine that works prove salvation. Believers should do good works that were prepared for us by God but it does not follow that all believers will do good works. If any man's work is burned up at the Bema seat of judgment he himself will be saved but as through fire 🔥
@Kristina Harr Yes we definitely should do the good works that God has planned for us. However works and grace are independent of each other in regards to basic salvation. The same is not true of the sanctification process. However I agree that God will judge our hearts in regard to this matter.
I'm scared and I've been struggling a lot with this. Please pray for me.
God has put this on my heart lately too, Joy. May Christ grant you, and all struggling with this, with peace and certainty. Praise His name. Amen!
@@loremaster234 Thank you so much, it means a lot to me. God bless you and may you find peace and strength in His presence too.🙏.
@@Joy-xf6zv Thank you, Joy. It means a lot to me too. Praise His name!
Abide in Jesus' love:
▪John 15:9-10
9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
That is the place to be without fear or doubts.
Peace to you!
There is wisdom in fear thats how we know not to jump over the cliff. Allow your wisdom find a secure branch in which to purch. For me I have to go to a sex addicts group to learn not to masterbait.
You may have to make some changes get some help by people you know wont judge you.
I fear that this can be "tricky.." When we receive Jesus Christ as our Lord & Savior we obviously should desire to live in a way that pleases Him. We won't be perfect as long as we are "in this world" but we should not be "of this world" either. That said, I have seen people take God's grace as a sort of license to sin....
The grace of God is not a license to sin, nor is it a freedom away from God’s punishment. Grace is God's providence of his will that is freely given to men to allow and enable them to live by the gospel (Titus 2:11-12). Believers are told in the gospel not to continue to live in sin so that they will not fall away from grace- “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid” (Romans 6:1-2).
Hog wash. You are saying that these warnings really have no weight. In other words they are lies. Like when you threaten your child with something if they don’t listen and obey. But the child knows you are just bluffing, or lying.
Almighty God does not need to make false threats. Nor could He. For He cannot lie.
I believe he has made the point for the other side of his argument ...using Paul's ship example.. If they were allowed to leave the ship they would perish making the point he is arguing for.
Hebrews is addressed to believing Jews who are confused about the salvation of Jesus Christ and the yearly Temple sacrifices. It is a bulkhead against thinking that they needed to go every year and sacrifice the lamb. Jesus is the lamb and He can not be sacrificed again and again. I think this is where believers get confused when they read Hebrews 6. They impose the context of this chapter onto themselves.
It doesn't matter if you beleive in losing salvation or once saved always saved, you can still go to heaven as long as you know you ARE saved
How do you know you are saved?
True believers continue in the faith.
Sometimes we all fall away or sin even when we are saved.
Why? When you know right from wrong and choose to do wrong (sin), that's not an excusable accident. That's you telling God you know his ways and you reject them. The Bible surely has warnings against such things, but some will say they mean something else.
Ultimately, all believers need to *abide in Jesus* and relate to what this scripture says:
1 John 3:6
Whoever abides in Him [Jesus] *does not sin.* Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
@@yestothetruth So you are saying that once you were saved you never sinned? I am so glad I know that my heavenly Father understands our frailties and forgives us if we confess our sins. Think of David, Peter, the story of the lost sheep, prodigal son.They all fell away but God did not abandoned them.
@@jeffszmiett2600 Listen to the argument you want to make. So, it is impossible for you to say that once you married a woman you never went out to be unfaithful to her (something you already know is wrong)? Is that really impossible if you love your spouse? I invite you to think of your relationship with Jesus as a marriage and what you meant when you said "I do" (want to follow you / live for you).
To be clear, deliberate sinning has no place in the life of someone who got saved. That's what sinners get saved from (that's the life they were trapped in before getting saved). You may want to be soft on sin, but God is not and the sooner you find that out the better.
Please read Galatians 5:19-21 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and understand these sins come from rebellion, that's why they are willful sins and will stop someone from inheriting the kingdom of God if they do not repent of them. And repentance does not mean you keep on confessing a sin, like saying to God, "oops, I have sinned again." No, God knows if you are serious about turning away from sin once and for all or if you are double-minded like you should not be (James 4:8).
Why don't you believe 1 John 3:6 and seriously seek to understand what it means to abide in Jesus and stop sinning? That's not the only verse that will show you God wants you to stop sinning. What effort will you put into finding what the Bible says on this matter? If you don't hate sin like God hates sin (Jesus died because of our sins), then you won't want to find out, being happy to believe the lie that the wages of sin is 'not' death, or that a life of sinning isn't what you were supposed to get saved from in the first place.
*But* this is the truth:
"The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ Our Lord" (Romans 6:23).
@@yestothetruth As a Christian it is my desire to love and serve Christ. But being human we possess two natures the old (the one we are born with) and the new (the sinless one when born again). In Romans 7-14 to 25 Paul talks about the Christian struggle. Also I believe a Christian cannot lose salvation because he never found it. You belong and cannot lose it,nothing can take it out of His hands. Eph 2-8 9 it is a gift and everyone of our sins are punished on Calvary and are covered by the blood. I am not saying that if and when we do sin we will not suffer consequences. But like a good parent God still loves us and disciplines those He loves. I am so grateful to have such a loving heavenly Father.
@@jeffszmiett2600 Unfortunately, you are believing many false things that will stop you from living a life pleasing to God and thinking it's some "human" thing. Let's start with Romans 7:14-25 that does not describe a "born again" believer to begin with. Yet, you believe it's about "the Christians struggle". You are in a dead end believing that and truth is the way out.
Please see that Romans 7:14-25 is describing a man in his struggles under the Law (of Moses) and not a new creation in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). In other words, it's not Paul the apostle, who then certainly had been born again, and was "under grace" who was struggling in Romans 7 to not do wrong when he wanted to do right.
That is a contradiction to having power over sin as is the case for someone who has been saved by grace:
Romans 6:14
For *sin will not have dominion over you. For you are not under the law, but under grace.*
And see that in Romans 7 he is speaking about seeking who would deliver him, and he found his deliverance in Christ and this was the result (the point of being "saved" actually):
Romans 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, *who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.* 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me *free from the law of sin and death.*
Romans 8:2 is the exact opposite of the situation in Romans 7:23 where he spoke about being in captivity to the law of sin working in his members.
I will put this before you again for you to deal with your unbelief about what it says: Ultimately, all believers need to be embracing and experiencing this:
1 John 3:6
Whoever abides in Him [Jesus] *does not sin.* Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
It's strange... I've been reading Pilgrim's Progress - and there are parts, that I suppose would sightly encompass the warning passages, about one who did not heed the Word. It's quite frightening to have the image from the story of the man in a cage waiting for judgement without any hope of being reconciled.
How could any true Believer not the Word? He must not have been a believer. A sad end for him. 😞
Glory To GOD!!!
Thank you so very much Thomas Schreiner!
If you have been born again, your life has been transformed. It is like when the worm becomes a butterfly. There is no going back. The butterfly can get into a mess, but it is still a butterfly.
Salvation is a gift from God. He does not take back His gifts. Jesus will leave the 99 and go after the lost sheep.
You don't have to accept the gift. I've thrown away gifts before. You can throw away your salvation.
If you commit new sins *after* Christ has paid for your sins, you’ve created new debt that *hasn’t* yet been paid. That doesn’t mean God takes his gift away and puts those past sins back on you again, but it does present a problem for your salvation from those new sins. You’ll need to repent and *not* be a dog that returns to its vomit.
That may be nice hyperbole, but it is not consistent with the Bible, I'm afraid. If you would like to examine why not, here is a channel which will lay it out in detail. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
I believed the gospel and accepted Christ 36 years ago, and I'm still saved today. I'm not scared of losing what Jesus has done.
Sure Jesus paid the penalty for sin so that is DONE, but we are to fight the good fight of faith and to endure until the end. How many times do I have to explain it is about FAITH. Jesus is the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. So if you are still placing your faith in Jesus Christ and do so until the end then praise God! Accepting Jesus is like accepting what a doctor says about you having cancer and needing surgery to remove it. The true test of faith is when you completely surrender yourself and lay down to let him work on you and remove that cancer. Just as it is with Jesus Christ. He is our all in all. He is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. Endure until the end. Don't be deceived. Cmon now why are these things even in the bible if we are OSAS? 😔
@@hopeseeker97 I don't know you. If you're not confident in the blood of Christ, then I'm sorry to hear that. I know I'm saved. I'm not scared. I have righteousness, joy, and peace in the Holy Spirit. Enduring to the end, Jesus was talking to His Jewish disciples about the time of Jacob's trouble, not to the Church. If that makes you uncomfortable, well...I don't know what else to tell you, but that I hope you receive it for yourself. Have a good day.
amen brother
All about faith. Come on. Salvation is a two headed coin faith/works. Take either one away and the quarter holds no value. Yhwh speed.
Cause you are making a choice to live a righteous Godly life. Remember scriptures say each one is responsible for their own sin.
Sorry doesn't make sense. If God warns us of the consequence of falling away to keep us from falling away as you suggested, then it shows that there's the possibility of us falling away. So this logically means we CAN lose our salvation.
Yes, God will bring us to the end, whether we are faithful or faithless. However, we will lose it only when WE decide to leave Him. God will not force us to accept Him. "If we disown Him, He will also disown us." 2 Tim 2:12b
Is the old children's story about the turtle and the hair about a frog and a rat?? No of course not!!. What about the narrative of salvation is so hard for people to grasp.?? If you " fall away" from "your faith" in christ.. well then it wasn't true salvation!! Wasn't true conversion. To say that one can loose salvation is to call jesus a liar.. (John 6:39- "and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose none of those he has given me and I shall raise them up on the last day.")
There are many things in the bible that can be debated. As much as there are things that need no argument over them. These are facts... 2+2=4. There is no debate here. "The sky is blue..." possible debate..
"the Nephilim are descendants of angels." Possible debate..." Jesus is God" No debate... " Is salvation earned?" No!!! No debate!!! Why?... because of the hundreds of times both implied and stated that its not!!! That's why!!! Its fact. And must be used as a point of " test reference" when understanding the scriptures. If it contradicts this point then its simply inncorect!!! If I have 4 of something and I started with only 2 of something then logically 2 more [something's] were added at some point for me to currently behold a total sum of 4. It's a simple train of logic that follows a basic pattern of deductive reasoning. What is difficult about this?... nothing!!
@@brianclarke5213 . He "will not lose" those who are His. As long as we want to accept and remain in Him, no one can snatch us out of His hand. I repeat from the Bible: "if we disown Him, He will ALSO disown us." 2 Tim 2:12b. Plain and simple. No need for any debate.
But your missing the point of your own argument... No one who is one of the true chosen of christ would ever willingly denounce christ. There's a big difference between renouncing your faith and having a lack of self control over the flesh. That lack of self control is one of the reasons we needed a savior in the first place. We as humans will never have complete self control over ourselves. If it were possible then Jesus wouldn't have had to die.
@@brianclarke5213 Mr. Steel. You may want to take a fresh look at the gospel and what it expects of you. For to whom much is given, much is expected. Here is a channel which may give you a new perspective all based on the consistency of the scriptures. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
How do you know you’re fallen away? I’m feeling that I might be and I’m terrified, I don’t want to be separated from Jesus. My heart feels terror
Dandara, You are not fallen away. We must use context when reading any passage and understand to whom the writer is speaking to and what was going on during that time. I feel strongly that because of the audience (the Hebrews) and the pressure to “go back” to Judaism, that the author of Hebrews meant that was the meaning for “fallen away”. Ask for yourself some questions, are you relying on ‘your’ works to get you into Heaven? Because that is basically what Judaism, and many Christian denominations for that matter, operate in….observing Jewish feasts, adhering to food laws, “trying” to be good, all this in order to ‘be right’ with God and maintain/obtain everlasting life (salvation). Once you believe Dandara, believe who Jesus is, what He did and why (the Gospel), You are saved! He does not take back the eternal life that he gave you. You are saved BY Grace THROUGH faith, Amen! Now, stop living in terror/fear and serve the Lord, abide in Him daily and TRUST in His finished work on the cross. God Bless you.
Dandara Brito
You will know that you are not fallen away from the grace of God if you continue to live by obeying and doing the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ; otherwise you will be tossed out.
Yes, you can lose your salvation my friend. We only have the *Hope of salvation* (1 Thessalonians 5:8); not the fullness of our salvation. We are not completely saved yet, not until the day of the redemption of the purchased possession comes (Eph. 1:14), which is the resurrection. In between time, while we are in this present time, our salvation is *CONDITIONAL* depending on how we live our lives according to the gospel (Romans 2:16; 16:25 & 2 Corinthians 15:2). The Lord is very clear in saying that it is *ONLY* if we *CONTINUE* to abide in him and *CONTINUE* to bear fruits as believers that we can not be cut off from him (see John 15:2, 6). Salvation is conditional in the present time. Paul said that if we continue in the faith then God will also continue to be good to us. He said "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, *goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."* (Romans 11:22). Salvation is conditional because we are not yet completely saved. We are only completely justified by faith (Eph. 2:8-9); and justification is not salvation in the context of its entirety.
@@paeng46 what do you say about someone who fell from grace and is in your opinion not saved anymore, can this person be saved again? What if a person wilfully sins, repents, wilfully sins, repents. Will this person be accepted again?
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He only needs to repent and return to God. The story of The Lost Son (or some calls it The Prodigal Son) in Luke 15:11-32 is enough to tell us that God is willing to take us back to himself only if we repent.
Please don't believe the heresy about loosing your salvation. What you need to understand is that salvation is a free gift. You don't work for it. All you have to do is accept it and it will set you free. You will have the assurance and peace that you are saved. Praise the lord and go please him however you can. If you stumble, don't be discouraged, you're still his child and are saved. Get up again, dust yourself off, and continue living in the light. Living in the light means you are aware of the sins now. You will always be his child, but it's important to grow in your love for him by not letting yourself go hungry spiritually so you don't feel what you are feeling. You eat everyday to feed your body, get a bite of his word everyday too, even if you don't understand it initially. Have peace and assurance in his promise for your salvation.
What about David......he fell away with Bathsheba and then murdered Uriah to cover himself......until Nathan confronted him he fell away but didn't lose his salvation although always had it...... He asked the Lord in Psalm 51 to restore unto him the joy of your salvation......not the actual salvation itself.......my point is that not everyone who falls away was never saved to begin with.....I know of people who backslid yet came back to the Lord.
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Yes people who backslide can come back to the Father.
In the o.t. if you sin and die in iniquity you will go to the lake of fire although the o.t. doesn't talk about Gehenna(mistakenly called hell in the n.t. hell just means grave).
In the n.t. it's probably the same but we know about Gehenna/lake of fire and I believe it works as a deterrent.
If we sin as Christians we should ask for forgiveness I'm not sure if we'll end up in Gehenna if we die without asking the Father to forgive us yet, no one can take us out of the hands of the holy Trinity (John 10:27-29).
Maybe we can't take ourselves out of the hands of the holy Trinity but, I believe we should obey everything found in the 27 books of the new testament and learn from the 39 books of the old testament.
Get a KJV it's the best bible in English. The majority text is the real new testament manuscript and I believe we should study all the old testament manuscripts because I read online that the quotes found in the new testament agree in differing manuscripts. For example there might be a quote the agrees with the Septuagint but not the Masoretic text and vice versa.
I pray God helps us in our race to be like Jesus and grow the fruits of the holy spirit in the name of Lord Jesus amen
How about king Saul,Samson, ananias and Sapphira
There is nothing like backsliding and returning to the Lord Heb6:4-6
It's so nice the way you show this subject in the Bible. Thank You for teaching me. God bless You.
SALVATION IS A GIFT FROM THE LORD. HE FREELY GIFTS IT TO ALL WHO CALL UPON HIM. ONCE RECIEVED, THE HOLY SPIRIT FREES YOU FROM BONDAGE AND YOU BECOME A NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST, YOUR OLD SELF IS PUT TO DEATH. ENTERING YOU INTO THE VERY BODY OF CHRIST. YOUR SOUL SHIFTS, SEEKING THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD RATHER THAN THE SINS OF THIS WORLD. HE WILL LIFT THE VEIL, YOU WILL SEE SIN FOR WHAT IT IS, THE FEAR OF THE LORD WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU, THE LORD WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU. (JEREMIAH 32:38-42) WE ALL LIVED IN REBELLION AGAINST GOD BEFORE HE LOOKED AT US IN LOVE AND MERCY, FREEING US FROM OURSELVES. SALVATION IS A GIFT AND ONCE RECEIVED IT IS ETERNAL. ANYONE WHO PREACHES A DIFFERENT GOSPEL LET THEM BE ACCURSED.
SALVATION IS BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST ALONE. NOTE THAT HE IS THE WAY OF SAVATION SO SINCE WE ARE SAVED THROUGH FAITH WE MUST EXAMINE OURSELVES TO SEE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE FAITH (THAT JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES TAUGHT). TO CLAIM THAT THERE IS NOTHING WE DO AFTER IS UNBIBLICAL. HE GIVES US ALL THINGS BUT WE CAN BE DECEIVED AND LED ASTRAY THUS DEPARTING FROM THE FAITH. IM ONLY USING CAPS BECAUSE YOU DID. SALVATION IS ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST. YOU MUST REMAIN IN HIM. HE TAUGHT US HOW TO DO THAT. PLEASE LOOK AT ALL THE IF'S.
Dear brothers and sisters and friends,
Do consider David Pawson’s interpretation on this subject.
David Pawson was a man who feared God enough that he could not accept the idea “Once saved always saved”. He sincerely warned about this idea, I am thankful that he did as it restored my fear of God.
“Once saved always saved” is dangerous and ignorant of Jesus’ solemn warnings about losing our salvation. These warnings are throughout the New Testaments, many begin in the gospel of Matthew. In David’s book “Once Saved Always Saved?”, he pointed out in the NT alone, there is 80 passages that warn about losing salvation.
He explained that the word “saved” is used in three different tenses in the NT: past, present and future. Which indicates that salvation is a process not yet complete.
I sure believe that salvation is God’s grace and cannot be earned, but not that it cannot be lost before it is complete, as Jesus warned.
We need to be fearful also for the things we must do but do not do because we are afraid or find excuses to not do them, especially our calling. (Matthew 25:24-30)
Finally, let’s make every effort to be holy, for without holiness no one will see the Lord. (Hebrews 12)
@John Bull I think the idea of “once saved always saved” is just an excuse to stay in your sin.
Wai Hong So if a believer struggles with an sinful addiction, but feels terrible about it every day and repents every day, saying “I will do better tomorrow” and asks for God’s forgiveness, always trying not o do it again but failing ... they aren’t saved? So they’ll go to hell when they die, even though they’ve accepted Jesus as their Savior? I’m just asking because I don’t know what to think about OSAS.
@@LVGirl4 Hi, thank you for your comment. I encourage you to listen to David Pawson’s sermons on OSAS, and then go back to the Bible and read again for yourself, as he always told his listeners to not believe what he said without going back to the Bible.
To summarize a few things David stressed in his sermons:
1. Salvation is a process. The word “saved” occurs in the Bible in past, present and future tense, And future tense is most emphasized. We are not saved yet until we get to heaven, we only Begin our salvation when we accept Christ.
2. Christians can backslide, and it can come to a point of no return. NT is full of passages that warn us to continue in faith, abide in Christ, endure to the end, or our names will be rubbed out from the book of life, we’ll be cut off and thrown into the fire and burned.
3. Assurance of salvation comes when we walk in the Spirit. We lose our assurance when we walk not in the Spirit.
There are many more he mentioned, he gave a clear representation of his careful analysis on this issue.
I believe if we read Jesus’ commandments with a good conscience, we would be terrified, because many of them have a warning at the end. In light of that, I cannot believe in an ‘eternal security’ like OSAS, which considers Jesus’ warnings less serious than they actually are.
People who think that salvation can be lost need to actually think instead of refusing to do such a thing...
How can one lose something that is eternal?
We are promised eternal life by God when we get saved, so if Once Saved, Always Saved isn't true then that makes God a liar.
You can't lose something that is eternal otherwise it isn't eternal to begin with.
Absolutely correct! Some people just don't get the idea of eternal security!
@@all_mine1233
Luke 13:3
3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
"He who believes in him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten son of God" (John 3:18)
There is a widespread error that although we have been saved by trusting Jesus we need to do something to stay saved, the people who have been deceived by this idea fail to realize that we can no more deserve to stay saved than we deserved to become saved in the first place, we need to realize that everything is based on the holy blood shed for us at Calvary, Jesus was crucified, buried, and rose 3 days later in victory!, if we must do things in order to sustain our salvation then we are obviously saying we earned our salvation, and if we earned it then its not a free gift, we need to consider the words of Jesus "Truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has 👉eternal life👈 and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (John 5:24)
None of us are righteous apart from Christ, the only righteousness you and I can obtain has to come through our faith in what Christ did! We receive HIS imputed righteousness when we place our faith in the gospel and not in our own dead works! "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that Holy Spirit of promise",
(Ephesians 1:13 KJV)
When you are sealed you do not come un-sealed.
God wants you to rest in assurance and carry the confidence in knowing you are eternally secured.
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may 👉know👈 that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God". ( 1 John 5:13 KJV)
Jesus + nothing = everything
Everything - Jesus = nothing
This is a wonderful explanation! Beautifully said💗
You’re preaching precisely what Satan preached in Eden, the doctrine of demons, that you can sin without fear. God isn’t stuck with you because of a few magic words.
@Marie W 777 , God’s children obey God’s commandments.
@Def Razer , if you truly believe the Word of God you know that if your nonsense causes an actual child of God to stumble (sin against God’s commandments), you’re in for a world of hurt 😞
Thank your brother, I too believe that once we are saved we have eternal life John 6:47.
If the warnings are not for true believers, to whom are the warning addressed? You cannot give warning to unbelievers of being fallen away, for they do not yet belong to Christ.
Dude so many people don't believe in these warnings. They're very forward and straight to the point, I don't know how anyone can believe otherwise.
Warnings are always helpful, especially warnings for drivers when they are on the road. Those who are aware, and care for their safety, will heed the warnings, but those who never cared to begin with are a danger to themselves and others.
We all "fall away" from time-to-time as all will sin, so I find his analogy confusing to someone in search of this answer. I could be wrong, but I believe it takes a purposeful and conscious effort of rebuking and denying him to lose one's salvation.
If we are faithless He remains faithful 2 tim 2:13. Calvinist hates this verse. We indeed fall away in fact all of us. Jesus said to the disciples, you will all fall away Mark 14:27 because we are not perfect. You can't lose your salvation for Jesus asked you to believe only. Once you believe you have eternal life forever you are saved. But if you don't believe you have eternal life forever then not. People want to replace eternal with temporal, notice that?
@@guitartech362 Its not just believe, it's REPENT & BELIEVE. If you believe without repenting that's not salvation. You can't believe without repenting and you can't repent without believing. Some people say sinners prayer then they live like the rest of the world and think they're saved. True salvation produces fruits of the spirit. Good works will not save you but good works are the evidence that you are saved. Ye must be born again.
@@Never-EndingLight777 John 6:47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.
Believe alone or die in hell.
@jlbush8249 You said, "We all "fall away" from time-to-time."
That shows you have a misunderstanding of what falling away means. "All will sin" is also an incorrect assumption. What do you do with scriptures like this:
1 John 3:6
Whoever abides in Him [Jesus] *does not sin.* Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
Romans 6:14
For *sin will not have dominion over you. For you are not under the law, but under grace.*
If you are tempted to present another scripture, then any such scripture will not eliminate the clear sense of these. Many use scriptures that way.
But you are correct in saying "I believe it takes a purposeful and conscious effort of rebuking and denying him to lose one's salvation." And the result of that is stopping to abide in Jesus and falling away.
Examine your understanding of abiding in Jesus. I hope that will bring some light on this issue for you:
1 John 2:6
He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
John 15:4-6, 9-10
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.
9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
1 John 3:24
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
These things in 1 John are not just true for everyone. They are true for those who have been born again, who have experienced the "washing and regeneration by the Holy Spirit" (Titus 3:5), who have thus become a new creation in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15), and are abiding in Him (1 John 3:6).
Falling away from Christ is not something that can keep on happening if someone has understood what walking with Christ is about and that person was in agreement with that. Then the person may have one opportunity to make things right again with God (see Revelation 2:2-5 to see how Jesus addressed believers who had left the right way of abiding in Him). There is no guarantee that there will be unlimited opportunities to return to a relationship with Jesus after having fallen away from Him.
Great example on how we do our best to be sober minded in the truth and by being obedient. Allowing Jesus to Lord over us will help. I thank God that if and when we sin unwillingly and unknowingly, we have his grace to repent and renew.
I'm not being combative, but you can't fall off a cliff if you're not on a cliff. Impossible.
Hebrews 10:26-31
(26) For if we go on sinning willingly after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, (27) but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. (28) Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. (29) How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? (30) For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” (31) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
God gave us free will, the same free will that allows us to choose God, allows us to walk away from him.
Hebrews six 4-six proves we cannot lose our salvation. If we could, that would make God a liar. John six:47. And if you could, you would have already. For it is impossible to one who has tasted the heavenly gift and the seal of the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13, if they should fall away to renew them to repentance. Repentance for salvation means to change your mind and trust Jesus as the only way of salvation apart from works. Our works can not save sinners. Only Jesus paid our sin debt in full,. past, present, and future sins. Romans 4:six-8. He is not going to come back and do it again. First John 2:2. And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. But, only those who believe it are saved, sealed by the Holy Spirit and can never be condemned again. John 3:18
So basically some people were never saved in the first place?
I disagree. You are basically saying that God's warnings are just bluffs. Like he says we will lose our salvation but only as a means to keep us in line? No. He does indeed keep his sheep, the lineage of Adam, Abraham, Jesus. He isn't going to keep ALL sheep. He will destroy us if he has to, and he is justified in doing so because we are his creation. The warnings are very real. Repent.
Good luck. Interesting name…
That is what Luther taught that the law was implemented to scare us into faith alone.
I don't find this explanation compelling. To be sure, there is a tension here in Scripture which I have in no way resolved-and to be clear, I do NOT believe that one can lose their salvation. Nonetheless, the passages in question do not strike me as "empty threats" (Romans 11 comes to mind). Using this line of thought, we could eventually reason that all threats, or all conditional statements in the Bible are simply rhetorical. God is the Author of order, not chaos; so there must be a way to harmonize these seemingly contradictory passages regarding the eternal security of the elect. But I'm not convinced that these very bold and clear statements indicating the real possibility of apostasy can be dismissed simply by qualifying them as "empty threats", the spiritual equivalent of elf on a shelf. If we can resolve difficult passages simply by saying, "they don't actually mean what they say", what's to keep us from doing the same thing with other parts of Scripture? Isn't that essentially the same hermenuetical acrobatic that those who argue that the Bible does not actually condemn homosexuality have employed for many years?
Thank you Dr. Schreiner for your work and ministry!
Your argument seems to support the exact opposite conclusion that you draw. You may be interested in taking a fresh look at the Biblical gospel where all of the points you mention are harmonized. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
@@herbshattuck6269 It seems to me, as the video acknowledges, that there are verses in the Bible which warn of the real possibility of apostasy. This would seem to conflict with the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints. My
"conclusion" is that there must be a way in which all Scripture pertaining to salvation fits together harmoniously, a way which I have not yet discerned. Dr. Schreiner's attempt at harmonizing this paradox is to suggest that the verses in question are rhetorical with the intent of being a warning. My response is that I do not find this particular explanation compelling, even though I do believe that one cannot "lose their salvation". Schreiner's attempt to reconcile this paradox feels a little hamfisted to me.
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BTW, I followed the link you sent me, but only found a collection of videos - if you could specify the video(s) you think address this subject, I would be very interested in watching them. Thanks for your help.
@@rgalarza2 Thank you for your respectful and reasoned reply.
Revelation 14:12
New American Standard Bible
12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
The collection of videos is not random. It systematically develops a theological model which I would propose is air tight and in accordance with all of the scriptures. If you desire to find a gospel where troubling verses do not need to be either mangled or ignored, this is what it offers. When I discovered it it was like a breath of fresh are, equally exciting and horrifying when you begin to recognize how divergent the gospel has become from what the scriptures teach. So if you would like to understand the gospel in such a way that will allow you to answer literally any objection in a clear and confident manner, then I think that this series may be something worth giving time to. If you have questions along the way or need clarification, there is an email address on every video. Thank you again. May the Spirit of the Living God lead you to the Truth.
@@herbshattuck6269 Ah, I see: it's a collection of videos meant to be listened to as a series. Well, I will try - I want to rightly divide God's word! I am convinced that since there is one Author for Scripture, there must be solutions for some of the paradoxes we find therein. Thanks for the encouragement bro! Blessings!
@@rgalarza2 I worry that we tend to mental gymnastics and overly complex apologetics where things like this are concerned. God doesn't erase your name every time you sin and write it back down as you repent... Your name is either in the book of life or it isn't. The book of the Revelation clearly states that only the Lamb is worthy to open the book and He does that at judgement... Until then it is sealed. If your name is not found in the book you were never saved in the first place, just living in a way that led you to believe you were. It's frightening for sure, and it motivates us all to live a Christ like life and give no place to the devil.
Dash the words of the papists in the comment section! Thank you for your thoughtful answer, Doctor Schreiner.
You have created a papist straw man that allows you to think your error is the true gospel. It is so easy to categorize something so that you will not have dig for the truth. With all grace to you, you should reexamine what you have been told because you have been and are being lied to, I'm afraid. If you can accept that there might be a possibility that you have bought into a false gospel then here is a link which lays out the Biblical gospel, step-by-step. You may just find this to be a turning point. I hope so. Thank you. th-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
This is real simple. Read the parable of the prodigal son ( more appropriately should be called “the forgiving father”). If we blow it, our father is waiting and watching for our return to him.
There has to be a turning point from "blowing it", otherwise, it will be a total loss for the son to remain in the pig pen of sin, even though the father was waiting and watching for his return.
So, the real simple question based on the prodigal son's parable is to ask, "If the son does not repent and return to his father (not to go back away into sin again), will he receive his inheritance?
1 Corinthians 6:9 warns believers that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God.
@@yestothetruth the point of the parable not only magnifies the Father’s love and gladness for the son’s return, it clearly shows the Father is always thinking well of the son even though he is lost. The father does not go get the son. The son has to decide that for himself. It is the same for us all. We choose life or thrust it from us. We decide our own fate. God cannot deny His laws of life. If we choose to turn our backs on Him, it will be a heartbreak for Him. There’s nothing He can do for us. But if we return to Him, He throws a party and makes us the guest of honor.
There are those who are sons of the wicked one that are destined for wrath. These are men of great darkness. But for the sons of God, even though they screw some things up, they are still His kids and He will never forsake them.
@@gladtidings6020 They are still his kids and He will never forsake them does not mean He will go and get them out of their rebellious ways. And you said rightly that the father doesn't go get the son; he has to decide for himself to return.
This video's message is based on the Once Saved Always Saved lie. And OSAS teachers are happy to skip the requirement of repentance in a case of having gone away from the Father. It's not just a matter of the Father waiting. Screwing up can have the consequence of death/not inheriting the kingdom of God if repentance doesn't follow.
In your conclusion you do not mention repentance and seem to suggest that the child of God is secure after his screw up because the Father won't forsake him. But if he is the one who has forsaken his father, that doesn't mean he must have been a son of the wicked one. No, he got himself in a 2 Peter 2:20 situation and would better hope to find God's mercy. That kind of "screw up" is serious. There is no such thing as assurance of salvation because the Father won't forsake. That's not the message of Jesus to people who have screwed up (see Revelation 2 and 3, 5 cases, 5 calls to repentance).
I'll be clear. By screwing up, I mean knowing right from wrong and choosing to do wrong (sin). That is not a "no big deal" kind of situation for a child of God, regardless of the Father's anticipation of his son/daughter's return.
Why does the bile say about blotting out from the book of life if you can't lose your salvation?
@Rob Pal What your saying is the false, the verse he is referring to talks about us not being blotted out of the book of life if we overcome the world. 1John 5:5 says that the people who overcome are those who have believed that Jesus is the son God. On top of that, how are we puppets when all we are doing is accepting a gifted already earned by Jesus Christ? We don't have to live in any certain way to be saved because christ lived perfectly for us. We should try our best to live like christ or we face chastisement but we know no matter how we live we are still saved once you have believed. The problem with many Christians is that they act like it is there faith is what earned their salvation. All our faith did was accept a never-ending gift that was already earned for ur by christ.
JD, it is NOT saying you can be blotted out, it is saying you CANNOT BE BLOTTED OUT! Why? Who is a overcomer?
The verse JD, Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
1John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
LOOK close here, Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
>>>>> , whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. God Bless JD.
@@tommy.1002 Ok, I have to confess that I stand corrected on that blotting out verse. I'm glad you did... God bless....
I would say that everyone’s name is written in the book of life. But when you die in your sins, rejecting Christ your name is blotted out. Your name can’t be blotted our if it was never written to begin with
@@brandontaylor2541 This is what I think, Everyone who was ever born , their name is written down in the book of life.
But if you die, NOT saved saved, then your name will be blotted out.
Once you die, there are no more ways of getting saved.
But in this lifetime, we only have Jesus & I find that many do NOT like that choice.
I like this answer a lot because i felt that people tried to get around the scriptures stating against once saved always saved. This answer answers why the scriptures sound like you can lose your salvation very clearly.
Is it so clear Michael? Explain these verses ,Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Explain how you break this seal?
@@tommy.1002 That is easy Tommy. Paul is addressing those that are faithful and IN HIM. That is the condition that allows Paul to make these pronouncements. th-cam.com/video/hErAfzXyq1o/w-d-xo.html
You may find this interesting. Thank you. th-cam.com/video/JOsslFasKcM/w-d-xo.html
@@herbshattuck6269 I see you are not understanding it either. There is NO condition in getting the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, How long does God seal the believer? Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. >>>>>>>> whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Forgive me, but I do not click on links.
Way I see it is the time you accept the truth of Jesus God seals you with the Holy Spirit. It goes by the way Jesus says I will not leave you comfortless. John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
yet Paul says sealed unto the day of redemption.
1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
so going by scriptures, how does a person loose the Holy Spirit?
What a divine assurance that a child of God can NEVER lose their salvation 💯 Praise Jesus 🙏
False doctrine
salvation nonsense!
@@egbewattarrahnaomi332 That's right, losing salvation is a false doctrine 😉
@@markjosemanders9778 Opinions are part of our cognitive existence- you are entitled to have yours.
@@eternalsecurityofthesaints9581
Opinions?
rights to have yours?
that's not really my point! more about truth of things!
do you have a right to believe false claims? in a god example!
in a sense yes! if you don't bother anyone with it! but it doesn't quite work that way! in life! or do you think it does?
do you therefore have the right to torture and kill people? who do not believe?
and tell them how to live because you believe something? people who don't! be punished! and killed!
while there is no evidence that this is the case? that god exists!
is made because of that is already fake!
no! not really!
that's not an opinion!
and you don't have that right!
because you believe in something stupid!
believing in god and satan doesn't mean you can play for god and satan?
that's madness! far from good! pure evil! if you really think about it!
threaten people to go to hell and all that nonsense is just madness! based on nothing!
that's not just an opinion?
say you're doing everything for good!
while most bad things are done out of goodness!
that's not just an opinion?
your opinion does have consequences!
believers often forget that because they think god is for them!
also based on nothing!
Thank you for the clear presentation, Dr. Schreiner. I have a question. If the warning passages are (one of) the means by which all true believers persevere to the end, wouldn't that mean that true believers actually have to acknowledge that the warning passages speak truthfully - that is, acknowledge that true believers can finally fall any? As someone who used to be Reformed in my view of salvation, I can say that I did not believe the warning passages spoke of true believers falling away. In other words, I did not feel the "weight" of the warnings, because I knew in my heart that I could never really lose my secure place of salvation. It seems that the warning passages need to be able to strike holy fear in someone, believing that they can truly fall away, before these passages can have the effect you are suggesting. Could you please address this issue?
Great point and question, Owen
Owen Kelly This is precisely why I simply cannot accept the traditional reformed view. If we assume 1) that the warnings are for true believers, and 2) that true believers cannot lose salvation, then it seems that God would be intentionally deceiving and frightening His people with false rhetoric, which is absurd.
Friend,
ready for a friendly discussion. I am not a calvinist and dont agree with the reformed view. However, i dont agree with Arminians....a believer cannot lose his salvation. The gospel is....Christ died for our sins and rose again. When Christ died for your sins, how many of them did He die for?
- i believe eternal security is a VERY important doctrine, as one then "believes" in himself to hopefully be good enough.
Acts 13:39 - and by Him, all that believe are justified from ALL things.
God can and will discipline His children.....but will never lose one (John).
with respect,
@@prestongreene7489 True the scripture says no one is cast off by the Lord forever. It would appear Arminianists and the Calvinists are still yet to understand that you are saved by Christ accepting you, not you accepting Christ and that we are saved solely by his blood/mercy, we are asked to believe and be saved, belief is not a whole, but a measure, is not a condition for salvation, otherwise the cross would not have been needed.
This is the best video I've ever herd in explaining this about how God keeps thoughs who are his this helped me out a ton thank you very much!
Salvation is a very simple IF/THEN statement. IF you place your faith in Christ, THEN you will receive Salvation, IF, after placing your faith in Christ, you take that faith and place it elsewhere, THEN you walk away from that Salvation. There is no predestination, God does not make the decision for you, you are not a puppet, you have free will and you do not give up that free will when you are saved. When someone walks away from Salvation, it does not mean that they were never saved to begin with. All of these word games people play to push false doctrine are not supported by Scripture.
@Kristina Harr Thinking that Judas wasn't saved is a false assumption. I believe that he was saved at one point but chose to walk away from Salvation when he betrayed Christ. The warnings of the Bible against apostasy are there for a reason, Judas is the perfect example of what can happen.
How do you explain 1 John 2:19 then? Not saying predestination is correct, but it seems like this verse is pretty self explanatory.
If we take the bible as it says it, it says if they leave, then they weren't truly believers (as you put it intentionally walk away after learning the truth, and rejecting Christ or fall away completely). People keep saying Calvinist this Calvinist that, please speak plainly so others understand please.
Let me ask you this question, If God lives in eternity, doesn't that mean he knows both the past and present simultaneously right? So doesn't that mean he is already aware of who will be saved, who will accept him, and who will not accept him? It's not predestination to understand that God foreknows everything, buuuut it doesn't negate free will, we arn't aware of who will accept or decline Jesus, but we can see when someone chooses, that at the very least, they are either not truly a believer or are just "backsliding" but God will continue to pursue his lost sheep. Is that fair?
@@studypersonaldevelopment813 "If we take the bible as it says it, it says if they leave, then they weren't truly believers' No, it does not say that. In fact, Paul's letter to Timothy was concerning true believers and was a strong warning against apostasy.
I believe there's a lot of scriptures God calling on backsliders to come back to him
You believe that because there are
I thought the key was who Paul was addressing. Context is everything. Paul was addressing Jews who converted and then went back to Judaism. Paul was saying there is no salvation going back to temple worship.
When the Bible uses the Jews and/or Israel in the Old Testament to illustrate the point of the message, it implicates a spiritual truth as an example (Hebrews 4:11; 2 Peter 2:6 & Jude 1:7).
Isn't clear that IF the sailors stayed on the boat, ALL will live. But, IF they left despite of the warning, they aren't guaranteed to live? Likewise, if a believer WILLINGLY decides to fall away from the faith despite hearing the warnings in the Word, does God still guarantee they shall see the Kingdom? I do hold on to the notion that a true believer in-dwelt by the Holy Spirit will never fall away, struggle with sin, yes, but not renounce Christ till the end of their race.
I reject that notion. Some people enter Christianity and leave for whatever reasons. But to just assume the person was really saved is just begging the question.
@@TexasHoosier3118 I agree. It begets the question if they were truly born again or ever IN Christ to begin with. People may grow up in a Christian home and have knowledge about Christianity or rather churchianity, and that doesn't guarantee they understood and embraced the true gospel in repentance leading to salvation.
I agree but I am weary of the phrase 'true believer '. I prefer obedient believer. It just rings true to Scripture :).
This is a great channel,thankyou for answering the questions which we struggle about everyday.
pls keep posting more🙏
So his reasoning is; A Christian can’t fall away and the passages that warn the Christian they can fall away are there to keep the Christian from falling away even though the Christian can’t fall away…🤔
YES... that is what it sounded like to me as well!!!
I believe in eternal security but his argument does appear to be illogical. Maybe I just don't understand what he is saying.
The same God who ordains the end also ordains the means to that end. Although God's elect are chosen in Christ from the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4), God saves us within time by our faith in Christ through the preaching of the Gospel (1 Cor. 1:21, Romans 10:14-17) and commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30) and to seek the Lord while He may be found (Isa. 55:6). God's sovereignty and our responsibility are not at odds, but work together, both as regards our conversion and our perseverance. The promises and warnings in Scripture are means God uses for our perseverance just as the preaching of the Gospel is the usual means He uses to call us to repentance and to awaken saving faith in Christ. Jesus promised that His sheep would hear His voice and follow Him (John 10:27), while to those who rejected Him He said, "He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God" (John 8:47). The warnings are spoken to everyone, but they only benefit those who receive them with humility and faith.
God also uses these warnings to awaken those who are resting in a false assurance and to warn them of the danger of presumption. Christ knows His sheep, but we don't always. Sadly, there are many who believe themselves to be saved, but will hear Christ say at the judgment, "I never knew you: depart from me, you who work iniquity" (Matt. 7:23). God's Word is a sharp two-edged sword that cuts clean between what is true and what is false or spurious so that those who profess faith in Christ may be able to examine and prove themselves, whether they are in the faith (2 Cor. 13:5).
God does not save or preserve us in a mechanistic way, as though we are inanimate objects. Rather, He works in us to will and to do what pleases Him -- and that work within us (which He alone can do) is the basis for His command to us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12-13). The promises and warnings in Scripture are the means He uses to that end.
The Lord wants His people to have an "abundant entrance" (2 Peter 1:11) into His kingdom -- not merely to be saved "yet so as through fire"(1 Cor. 3:15) -- and to that end He gives us means to make our calling and election sure and to keep from stumbling (see 2 Peter 1:2-12). If we will read the Bible as a letter of love sent to the family for whom Christ laid down His life (rather than as a textbook of legal principles to be analyzed), then we will profit from ALL He has to say to us, and His warnings will serve us as well as His promises.
This is the Calvinist interpretation of the scriptures, which is false.
@@curiousgeorge555 its illogical as is all of Calvinism
But then wouldn’t that take away the effectiveness of the warning if it’s known that it’s just to make u be carful ? Also the text doesn’t seem to imply that it’s just a warning it seems like it’s advising or it’s telling you with so much aggressiveness ( I use that term very broadly btw ) that you can lose your salvation... I feel like it wouldn’t really give depth and meaning if it were just a way to keep the Saints going in Christ... I don’t know if you get my wording when I’m trying to describe this.
What I basically mean is it doesn’t seem to mean that it’s just for “lighting a fire under your butt “ if you will ... it seems to mean that if you do this you will perish or you will be in the lake of fire , or, left behind , or burned . Can anyone help me out with this????
You have read and understood the warnings correctly. We are called to walk and stay on a righteous and holy path (e.g. Ephesians 4:17-24), empowered by the grace of God (Titus 2:11-14, Romans 6). That is the way to eternal life (Matthew 7:13-14, Luke 13:23-30).
Peace to you!
Many are called but few are chosen. Many will call Jesus lord but he will say he never knew them.
They never did the will of His Father in heaven. John six:40 and John six:29. They trusted in what they did to earn eternal life, instead of receiving eternal life by faith alone apart from works. Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans six:23. Romans 11:six. Romans 4:-5-8
@@jimkraft9445 do you mean that they had faith in Jesus but didn’t fallow the laws of our Heavenly Father? That they didn’t repent and kept sinning?
No, they trusted in what they did to earn eternal life. They were not born again because they did not receive the free gift of salvation by grace. through faith alone. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, First Corinthians 15;1-4, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also AFTER ye believed, ye were sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise. Our guarantee of eternal life.
They came before the Lord boasting in what they did to save themselves, not what Jesus did for us when He paid our sin debt in full, past, present, and future sins. Romans 4:5-8. John 3:18 True believers have no sins to pay for, Jesus paid the debt and set us free. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit in whom ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
We can lose our life, and our rewards in heaven, but not eternal life. John six:47 Faith alone apart from any works. Once we have received the free gift, we will be rewarded in heaven for our works. First Corinthians 3:11-21.
Repentance for salvation means to change your mind from trusting in what we do to save us, keeping the law, to trusting totally in what Jesus did for us apart from the law. Galatians 2:21 I do not void the grace of God, for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Romans 4:5-six.
@@jimkraft9445 Wait so Jesus already paid for our future sins? But we still need to pray and confess and not hold it to ourselves?
Romans 4:5-8 We have to be as righteous as God to go to heaven. But to him that worketh not, does nothing, but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for RIGHTEOUSNESS. His Righteousness.
Blessed is the man whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
All our sin debt was paid in full by Jesus one blood sacrifice for all sin. Past, present, and future sins. If not, no one would be saved. First John 1:8 When Jesus said, IT IS FINISHED, that is an accounting term, paid in full. No longer condemned. John 3:18
We should confess our sins to stay in fellowship with our heavenly Father. But many times we sin and do not know it or remember it. But they are all paid. God does not want His children living in sin, and He will chasten his children, but He can not go back on His word. John six:40. We should live right for rewards in heaven, but living right never saved one person.
It amazes me that some of the same people who say we are saved by grace also say we have to stay in the faith to stay saved. Which one is it because a wise person will see that you can't have it both ways. Here is the truth I stand on: if that person had genuine faith but let's say they never studied, went through tragedies and went to another religion or became an atheist, they ar...well, here's what the word of God says for this dispensation of grace.
2 Timothy 2:13 KJV
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
How is this possible?
Colossians 1:25-27 KJV
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Once saved always saved because Christ can't deny himself in us because we are sealed with the holy spirit unto the day of redemption and Jesus is in us, also it was a mystery kept secret until Christ, after his resurrection reaveled the gospel of salvation for today.
Colossians 1:25-27 KJV
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Ephesians 4:20 KJV
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Ephesians 1:13 KJV
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
And for anyone who wants to bring up 2 Timothy 2:12 let's discuss that.
2 Timothy 2:12 KJV
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
This isn't talking about salvation. It's about reigning with Christ in the millennium.
I'v heard a lot of scripture twisted over the years to fit someones belief, but this one takes the cake. I don't know for certain the correct interpretation of those verses, but I know it doesn't mean what he says they mean. If Hebrews was written to Jewish believers, among whom were some who believed they had to keep the Mosaic law and be circumcised in order to be saved, it is understandable that Paul would warn them from falling away, and being lost by trusting in something besides Jesus. If they did that, they would forfeit the only means of salvation, namely, Christ's sacrifice on the cross.
We are saved by faith in Jesus, but if we believe we are saved by faith in Jesus plus faith in something else such as works, circumcision, or anything else, are we still saved? I think Paul would say no.
When you say "faith in something else such as works", you should be precise that the works you speak of are works of the Law of Moses, such as circumcision and animal sacrifices offered at various times. This argument cannot throw out the fact that faith without works (of faith) is dead (James 2:26). So, genuine faith is never without works. The Matthew 25:31-46 parable is clear about the things done by faith and that matter, and the things people failed to do. "Doing" has to do with works, either good works or bad/wicked works. But it's not a question of trusting in your works. They are not "something else" if they are what having faith makes you do. They must be glued to your faith if you have faith. So, Jesus also says, "I know your works..." (Revelation 2:2). That's talking about works that go along with one's faith.
The idea of "once saved always saved" or eternal security or perseverance of the saints was never an idea taught by the earlier church and was never taught for the first 1500 years of Christianity. This idea was created by John Calvin in the 1500's. But whats interesting is that the majority of Protestants would disagree with this statement. I would suggests watching the Trent Horne vs James White on this issue. Dr. James White is a Reformed Theologian, while Trent Horne is a Catholic theologian. Even though Trent is Catholic the issue is not one of "Catholic vs. Protestant" but more so a theology debate. Since like I said the majority of Protestants deny the idea of "once saved, always saved". God Bless!
Romans-Philemon is the age of grace.
Mathew,Hebrews-Peter-is the tribulation saints time period.
Dispensationalism is the most important thing to understand before reading your bible. th-cam.com/video/ap7sS6285Zo/w-d-xo.html
KJV:EPHESIANS 4:30 and grieve not the Holy Spirit of god,whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption
Excellent video. We are all sinners, we as Christians are still sinners who rely totally on the Grace & Mercy of God through Christ. We still struggle and sin but stand on the promise that we who believe are new creations justified to God by the sacrificial death & resurrection of Jesus. All Glory to The Father, Jesus his Son, and the Holy Spirit. One God forever!
Maybe out of topic here,Salvation is actually different from Forgiveness you ask from God
If your sins aren't forgiven, then you can't be saved.
I wish I could continue to believe this. Not so sure anymore. So many verses. The sower and the seed getting accepted but snatch/ the warning of blotting out names from the Book of LIfe...I get the affirming verses, raised on them, taught them, believed them but the warning verses aren't easily shoved aside. I lean the other way now.
I got the courage up to meekly ask the Lord along the lines of a sheepish, "You wouldn't do that (blot out the names of believers)? I got an instant image of Jesus in my head. He was dressed somewhere between royalty and military. Think purples and golds, but his face was that of an uncompromising judge. I think he can do it. Or maybe my question was off, but I lean the other way now. It blows my mind and I know the Scripture that are used against this view but that image was real. Its out of our hands what he chooses to do. That's all I know.
I do believe you can lose your salvation dependent on your walk with Christ but I wouldn’t say it’s out of your hands. If we are following Christ and keeping his commandments we should be confident that we will enter into his kingdom.
@@stayinginformed1500 What I meant by that wasn't that we are apathetic in terms of salvation, but that the most well-researched theological arguments about God, Jesus, salvation etc..with all is scholarly insights built on generation after generation never has and never will change what He will do. We kid ourselves and wrap ourselves in the most comfortable theology we can to live how we want. The Lord is way more serious and true that all our opinions on what he will and won't do. Hope that clears thing us.
@@stayinginformed1500 And I agree with you, it's shouldn't be a tripping point if we are authentically following Jesus.
I've heard of people terrified on an almost daily basis they will lose their salvation. My guess is such folks have some chronic addictions or habits that convict then daily. No one is perfect but one shouldn't disobey as best they can if they are well aware of chronic situations.
I'm not saying they will lose their salvation, but I can guess what might cause such fears.
To my understanding, it's likely a hard heart that becomes desensitized and decidedly unrepentant permanently that causes one to lose salvation. Stay humble and repent, folks!
Friend, if one were to lose their salvation, why would there be scriptural bases for once saved always saved such as the verses which clearly mentioned that we will be sealed with the Holy Spirit to the day of redemption?
And why would Jesus have to die for us in the first place if our work merit our destination in the afterlife?
The blotting of name in the book of life is arguably referring to those immature and Christian only in name who would manipulate the scriptures. There is no mention of Jesus explicitly stating: *"YOU ARE TO FOLLOW ME! AND IF YOU DO NOT UNTIL THE END, YOU WILL BE DAMNED AND WILL BURN FOR ETERNITY!"* It is very sad, since it never happened yet it PERPETUALLY used as if it exists.
Clearly, this is nothing but a fear instilling initiative by satan himself, since he is the reason for this confusion, which is rather sad to a pathetically absurd extent.
Revelation 22:19 (KJV 1900)
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book
Revelation 3:5 (KJV 1900)
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels
For the backslider ... here is grace greater than all our sin! you do not try to reverse all the irreveriable consequences of your sin but gladly accept the fresh grace from God. You are called to fidelity from this point on.
So, according to your understanding, what does it mean to accept the grace of God to be saved?
Oh kool so keep on stealing, killing ,lying, adultering,,etcetera repebt and were good. Thx
I do like the word 'backslider' It makes a lot more sense that 'never truly saved' or 'not a real follower'. Saying something like 'never really saved' implies that Christians can't sin. They can and do. That's what confession of sins is for. To reunite us, who are Christians, who have sinned, back to God.
It should be a clear cut answer, not a muddy gospel. The thought of foolishness is sin, none of us can go to heaven or fall away. If that were the case then we're trusting our works. All we have to do is CONFESS the Lord Jesus and BELIEVE that God raised him from the dead. Not this falling away mumbo jumbo.
John 10:28-30
King James Version
28- And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29- My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30- I and my Father are one.
confess what you believe not join the confession prayer - just to be clear. Some have confessed and didn't believe that eternal life is forever so no assurance thus no salvation.
You can't lose something giving to you. Fallen away is referring to someone try to reach heaven on their own efforts, they are dependent on the law (thier works), not the efforts of Christ on the cross. When you are going be the law for salvation, then you have fallen from grace. Trust in Jesus and not yourself. I'm glad it not on me to be saved.
Amen Keith.
If you fell from grace… it means you had it to begin with. The Bible is clear that you can lose your salvation. And when you say you can’t lose something given to you, sure you can. If I give you a pen, you can either reject it or lose it.
Keith Clark
Yes, you can lose your salvation my friend. We only have the *Hope of salvation* (1 Thessalonians 5:8); not the fullness of our salvation. We are not completely saved yet, not until the day of the redemption of the purchased possession comes (Eph. 1:14), which is the resurrection. In between time, while we are in this present time, our salvation is *CONDITIONAL* depending on how we live our lives according to the gospel (Romans 2:16; 16:25 & 2 Corinthians 15:2). The Lord is very clear in saying that it is *ONLY* if we *CONTINUE* to abide in him and *CONTINUE* to bear fruits as believers that we can not be cut off from him (see John 15:2, 6). Salvation is conditional in the present time. Paul said that if we continue in the faith then God will also continue to be good to us. He said "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, *goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."* (Romans 11:22). Salvation is conditional because we are not yet completely saved. We are only completely justified by faith (Eph. 2:8-9); and justification is not salvation in the context of its entirety.
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@@jesuschristsaves9067 Respectfully, just as your name says, Jesus Christ Saves - not us. It is not of ourselves, but what Christ did on the cross. If we have to keep our salvation, then that would be us earning it. Not saying you are not saved, but it is very important, that we trust Christ for salvation 100%. If someone thinks they have anything to do with being saved, then they very well could be lost. We need to realize none or our efforts matter for salvation. 1 Thessalonians 5 has nothing to do with salvation, but rather preparing for the rapture. Hope you all have a good day.
In the end nobody really knows who is truly saved because we don't know people's motives/hearts....only God. One day Jesus will say to many "I never knew you" but deep in my heart I know nobody can snatch me out of His hand because of what He did, not because of who i am. I will always remember the day I was born again.
If you don't OBEY JESUS, you don't belong to Him
John 3:36
Acts 5: 32
Hebrews 5: 9
The Bible says we can KNOW we are going to heaven 1 John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life...."
God's Plan of Salvation
First, you must accept that you are a sinner.
Romans 3:23 - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."
Romans 3:10 - "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one."
Second, You must accept that as a sinner you owe a penalty
Romans 6:23- "For the wages of sin is death...."
Ezekiel 18:4b- "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."
This death is described in the Bible as the second death, the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:14- "And Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
If we pay what we owe as sinners, we must spend an eternity in the lake of fire (Hell).
Third, you must accept that Jesus Christ has already paid our sin debt.
Romans 5:6- "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."
Hebrews 2:9b- "....that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."
Christ was not a sinner, and the Bible teaches that God took all of our sin and placed it on Christ. While Christ was bearing all of our sins in His own body, God punished Him in our place to pay the debt we owe. God did not only promise to do this but its already done.
John 3:16- "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
2 Corinthians 5:21- "He hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."
It is a fact, Jesus has already paid your sin debt.
Fourth, you must accept by FAITH what Jesus Christ did for you
John 3:36- "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
Jesus divides the world into two different groups, those that believe and those that are not believing. Those who believe HAVE eternal life, and those who dont, will not see life.
The word "believe" means to trust, depend on, rely on. To believe means that you accept the fact you are a sinner, owe a sin debt, and that Jesus Christ has paid that sin debt for you on the cross. You must completely trust in Jesus as your savior, not your good deeds and Jesus, not your clean living and Jesus, but Jesus Christ ALONE! The moment you do this God promises that you have eternal life
John 5:24- "Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Trust Jesus Christ as your savior, ask Him to save you today!
Yes as you say in your commentary if you believe if you have faith
Yes as you say in your commentary if you believe if you have faith