Can women be pastors or deacons?
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- “Can women be pastors or deacons?"
Dr. Stephen Wellum answers in Honest Answers | Episode 72
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Everybody always wants to explain it in a way that makes them feel good and where they can accept it, instead of just taking the word for what it says.
Joe Cormier You’re being redundant.
Correct; people like this guy wants to be (authorofconfusion) to many have watered down the gospel to make people comfortable.
Amen Brother
Joe Cormier We are God’s design, His creation. It seems that many of these answers are parsed in a culturally “palatable” fashion, with US as a starting point. Wrong. We’re here and live at Gods good pleasure. Time for us to fall in line with what our Creator intends.
He’s being sensitive to women with sincere questions, yet being firm in the truth. A no wouldn’t answer the why, how, what. He did good.
The answer is clearly “NO” in the scriptures!
Scriptures ?? What about the womens emotional feelings telling her to preach.
@@yj3111 he was being sarcastic, ripping on all the women that claim Jesus, God or the Holy Spirit told them to violate God's word and all the cucks telling them, "you go girl!"
The answer is yes.
1 Corinthians 11:3
1 Corinthians 14:34 & 35
1 Timothy 2:11-12
@@brodocbetty4856 So you’re putting your feelings over scripture?
Totally agree. As a woman, as a child of God; my only goal is to walk in God's truth. Not the fallen world's truth, not the truth of those that bypass scripture because they have a private agenda....but the truth that is proved by scripture! God Bless!
EVERYBODY that reads and interprets scripture has a "private agenda." Everybody.
@@erichetherington9314 No they don't.
They have a bias, but that isn't the same thing at all.
@@georgechristiansen6785 Of course it's the same thing. A "Bias" is just another term for "an agenda.'
@@erichetherington9314 No it isn't.
A bias is a preference and/or presumptions on brings with them when examining something.
An agenda is actively planning and trying to accomplish a particular outcome.
Someone with an agenda has a bias, but not everyone with a bias has an agenda.
@@georgechristiansen6785 I agree with you, and indeed when I wrote my last post, I figured you might make that distinction. My initial response was with regard to 'purpose 1228"'s comment above about people who "bypass Scripture because they have a private agenda."
What makes this tricky is that bias and agenda are so closely linked. I assume she meant anyone who doesn't think the Bible is full ONLY of truth (and not full of folly and myth and violence, etc) has an agenda, but she reveals her own bias: Namely, that people don't agree with her about the Bible are purposely out to destroy it (or something like that).
Seems to me an agenda is the plant rooted in bias; if I tend to discount much of the Bible (and based on study and research, I perceive this is a valid approach), that is, I suppose a bias. But it leads naturally to my ACTIONS of protesting the viewpoint of people like her (and other fundamentalist types). Hence, i may now have an agenda, but it is a set of beliefs, reflected upon, and then acted upon (and not a bias of which I am unaware).
The word "agenda" seems to connote "nefarious plots" but in fact, my agenda could be described as doing my part to alleviate ignorance and foolish readings of a complex text, like the Bible, as opposed to just swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.
Thanks, Dr. Wellum. One of my best seminary professors. Wife Karen was very kind to my wife when she worked as a nurse at the hospital where my wife delivered one of our children. Great man and woman of God. God bless them.
Amen brother glory to the word of God
Answer is in 8:10
Thanks me later
People are so scared to speak the true word of God due to political correctness they have to shroud their answers in layers and layers of explanation
People still need to know why he concluded at that. So that they have full understanding of it. So they do need to watch the whole thing.
Thanks!
thank you
We live in a microwave world where we want the answer now instead of seeing the whole view, of what this gentleman is saying here.... I understand he took the long route. But it's best to see the whole picture leading up to the truth. Instead of get getting to the point to quickly. Special when it's the word of God. Thank me later.
when in doubt always follow the word of God.
I agree with this. It gets hard now a days because I think that the word of God is not as plain as we want it to be..... But it will always be the gauge in which we are in pursuit of holiness. We can disagree on issues such as this but cannot loose sight in the word of God and in the mission of Jesus. That is key and can lead us to a different call but will not lead us to a different kingdom. But in anyones life we must make sure our pursuit is not contrary to the holiness of God's word and the mission of Jesus. That may not have made sense but to explain, I'm all for women as preachers but understand that there is a line in which we must be careful. For those who are for more traditional approaches I can understand as well but their is a line that can easily be crossed. We must not taint the message of the gospel but rather let it take root in the lives of others through the story of the bible. Not use it for simply personal freedom contrary to spirit and we can not use it to control or oppress people contrary to the spirit either! I hope this made sense! Thanks for reading and pursuing the word of God!
@Dan Sutton I hear what you are saying. My opening statement is more to the comment of just follow God's word and your response adds to what I was trying to get at. I love having theological discussions but also know the best forum is not online as we ca not be in a clear back in forth but any place that can edify and people can hear/ share ideas I love. Any how what I meant by my comment is I agree with the statement of follow Gods word but the thing is it turns out a lot of times it is not follow Gods word it is follow Gods word the way I follow Gods word and it will be okay. That is why I said it is not as clear as we want it to be. To you you feel really strongly and clearly on subject matters such as this and it is clear you have done your research and read your commentaries ect and that is where following God's word has lead you. However there are others who by following Gods word reading other commentaries, reading other works of Paul and stories of Jesus that have been lead to a different stance than your self on subject matters such as this. So what I was trying to communicate in the terms of Gods word is not as clear as we want it to be is when people make the comments of when in doubt follow God there is usually a preset theological thought behind that. When someone says follow God when in doubt they are saying it with what they believe it means to follow God that is why these comments are not as simple or as clear as we want them to be. That is why I went on to say people can dis agree yet still follow God's word. Again I agree with when in doubt follow God's word and that the scriptures are the foundation but because we have have different traditions, experiences and reasoning we may not all see or agree on every concept of religion.
@Dan Sutton again again we agree on the most important stuff being Gods sovertinty! We also disagree on other things which is okay! Appreciate you sharing!
@Dan Sutton Good thing im living into the two greatest commandments. Scripiture is beautiful and Gods word and I love it. I follow the God of the bible and the trinity so if you follow the trinity then we do follow the same God! If you do not see it that way thats fine we just have different heremunitical and theological perpectives but i hope people can see through these comments and through topics such as the one at hand that God is bigger than ourselves and that there are different viewpoints out there that can be simitaneously rooted in God and different from your own intrepretation!
If you follow Messiah your are following the word made flesh, the word is the law. If you follow Messiah(Yeshua), you are following the law, if he's in your heart, you have the law in your heart. The punishment for sin is death, grace is your pardon from death, though its not a free pass to go on and sin.
This is even more relevant today...than it was when it was posted.... Thank you Brother.
Amen
Thanks for the insight
It truly helped me pinpoint a few things I needed clarification towards
What does 2 Tim 2 verse 12 reads what it reads is what GOD said not his opinion on what GOD she be saying g and meaning I can stake my life on this about you believe christ is white and his birthday Dec 25 something that not even written, whoa to the inhabitants of the earth Rev 12
@@cathysplayliststanley9831 I'm being really, really serious. Are you drinking?
The short answer, according to the Apostle Paul, is no.
Third John was written by the Apostle John
The answer is in the WORD of GOD
According to the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul.
@@sjs9354 The Apostle Paul clearly named Phoebe as a deacon.
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church at Cenchreae, that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints, and help her in whatever she may need from you, for she has been a patron of many and of myself as well.
Romans 16:1-2 ESV
Short answer: no.
I’d say yes to the deacon part. Romans 16:1 refers to Phoebe as servant, but that term also means deacon (which he refers to in the video). Deacons aren’t a leadership role, it’s a servant role.
Short answer : YES!!!!!!!!!
@@atestring1379 no
@@atestring1379 no is shorter
What about bishop Salome. Who's icon was erased by Constantin.did not fit in with so called Christian values. As your leader said go and spread the word Duo duo. Two by two and I don't believe in a male dominant bible
Isn't the scripturally defined requirement of a Deacon being the husband of one wife? So how can a woman be a Deacon?
Exactly. How did he not mention that? Pheobe being mentioned as a servant emphasized function. Paul's mention of deacons was referring to an office. That's reserved for men.
What is a deacon? WhT is a pastor? What is a minister? What is a preacher? WhT is a priest? WhT is servant of God? What is a missionary?where did these terms com from? Be a follower of Of God which Jesus taught. Love one another. Why ?? Because God use who God wish to spread God ,s work.
@@lizfair5157 they came from the Bible in regards to church order and offices in the Church. They are biblical but you are right to advocate for us all to follow Christ and to not get caught up in titles but God does have order especially for corporate worship and he does want leadership in his church. That’s like saying why does scripture talk about apostles etc… they all followed Christ they just served in certain capacities which does have biblical foundations. God bless!!!
@@trovelemmanuel5627 what if the emphasis was on marital fidelity and not on gender?
@@robertguidry2168 You'll have to explain to me how it maybe marital fidelity and not gender. I'll be interested in hearing what your view is.
that's exactly right!!! praise the Lord!!! what i heard was nowhere left or right from the truth... thank you brother for making this publicly. may the good Lord help us all take up our crosses and step into our callings in the power of true love!
How can a WOMEN be a DEACON if as it says in 1 Timothy 3:12 it says LET THE DEACON BE THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE?
@@ronaldking94 preach!!!! 🗣🗣🗣
Romans 3:4 KJV. Let God be true, but every man a liar!!
These jelly back spineless preachers/teachers, who are not worthy to be called that, many have compromised Christ’s doctrine, and preaching doctrines of demons to please these stiffed necked people who many left God’s body.
Paul said it clear as day, if I’m a pleaser to man, i cannot be a bondservant of 👑Jesus Christ!!!
Amen to what you pointed out in love my dear beloved brethren, it’s so sad, and that’s why Hell 🔥 it’s filled with so many lukewarm Christians and many shall follow if they do not repent, turned back, and obey the laws and commandments of that Holy Consuming 🔥 God who will judge with no emotions period!!!
Hebrews 10:31 KJV. For it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!!!! 🥺🥺🥺
@@ronaldking94 Romans 16:1-4 16 commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae 3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my co-workers in Christ Jesus. 4 They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them.
@@ronaldking94 GALATIANS 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
@@TheJs4567 Most translations including KJV says 'servant" while some others say "deacon or deaconess"
Servant is one who serves or a devoted and helpful follower or supporter which can be male or female.
Deacon derives from the Greek word diakonos which has 4 basic meanings "servant", "waiting-man", "minister" or "messenger".
Deaconess derives from the Greek word Diakonissa which is a title of honor that is used to refer to a deacon's wife.
Since the text in Romans 16:1-4 doesn't state that Phoebe was married than she's not a Deaconess.
Also since she is not a man, according to 1 Tim 3:12 she cannot be a Deacon. So the KJV of "servant" is more accurate.
No!
There has been much disobedience towards what God clearly instructs!
We are to submit!
God is a God of order!
He designed it all to function systematically!
Why is it so difficult to comprehend!
Scripture is clear!
Woman are not to lead, teach or preach over a man...period!
Takes a real man to leave his personal ambitions and instead accept a life of hardship and struggle in order to fulfill his calling and serve The Lord. Most women fail to accept or understand that a man can endure much more pain and shame than she can. However, whether or not one is to realize this, it takes a real woman to humble herself in a world where time after time men fail to meet the standards of what God originally called "a man". Still, there is PLENTY of exceptional women who far surpass MANY MANY men by leaps in intelligence and in strength, these women I'd say submit regardless because it is what their God asks and they are real enough to simply obey HIM not necessarily the men. I say there's something mighty in that alone. But on the flip side there also is exceptional men that far surpass other men and even these women. And those are the kind that I believe God calls into leadership. Not just the average male. So yes women should submit according to the bible, but men who are too eager to come to this conclusion should ask themselves if they should even be standing on that pulpit and bearing the name of pastor. SO when talking about who should be leading in the church, most men need to sit back down. Period.
Correct
Sharleen Parrino - why do you think God created it as being ‘order’ for men to lead. Why not the other way around? I’m just wondering what leadership skills He saw/created in men that are absent in women?
@@fabianposadas7588 Fabian, what Bible version do you read? Where does it say that Adam and Eve are BOTH called Adam?
@@navycop0270
king James
Genesis 5:2 (KJV) Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
As a woman in seminary college I want to thank you for this response. I echo this in my courses and am censored for it. Scripture is CLEAR on this.
This was a hard pill for me to swallow but I submit to the word of God. His authority is final! He controls my life, not me.
Wow.... you are one of few. Much respect
Elvis Ngetich
His will, not mine.....
@@sarahlynn4790 Amen sister... let's keep the faith
Child of God
Do some research about “complementarianism.”
@@sarahlynn4790 Thank you so much for your response! I will definitely do these things you have suggested.
Thank you very much for explaining this very carefully
Very well said and set, to God be the glory!
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@@connorlancaster7541 you post this so many times over and over in multiple videos. So even if you are a real person you act like a bot therefore you are a bot
@@VALIANTBEAST26 My goal is to spread the wisdom of God
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Huge lack of patience in some comments. Foundation and background are important, and I appreciate the whole context being laid out - instead of a "fast food" explanation, which can be dangerous.
The Apostle Paul answered it in a single sentence.
@@TheSaintberzerker There's also a scripture that says "Do not look upon the wine when it is red". Have YOU ever seen "red wine"? Oh, I sure hope not - based on that single sentence!....OR.....is there a little more to that passage of scripture?
Actually, Paul had a lengthy elaboration to both the Corinthians and the Ephesians, covering both men and women. Not only that, but there are plenty of folks who use the likes of notable, biblical women like Esther, Ruth, Tabitha, Rhoda, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of Christ herself, to roll over the notion of what the topic at hand is, and using their influence as a chance that maybe women can possible preach or teach......assuming Paul was mistaken by his own feelings. Paul's account alone makes absolutely no sense without knowing what God Himself FIRST has established. Paul wouldn't even speak of such things without first knowing the Genesis account of the order described by God. Paul doesn't make rules or laws on his own. He elaborates on what is already in place. If we go by a "single" sentence, then it would appear as if Paul is overstepping the authority of God. Let's keep in mind the folks...based on my original comment...that only look for fragments and not the whole. The Bible is a whole. Without the old, you don't have the new. Without a foundation, you don't have a building. If someone is absolutely FRESH to the Bible, and that "single sentence" is all they hear or read, then all they have is a rule - spat out by some random man.
"fast food" explanation LOL
@@setxapart5505 very well said. I am sometimes tempted to give one word answers without context to certain things but a lot of biblical questions require longer answers and deeper context as to why something is the way it is.
I’m not disagreeing that there is some lack of patience comments, but friend, look in the context of our modern times. With the rise of social justice affecting many churches negatively, people want the word of God proclaimed. I agree, I love context! But he should’ve answered “no” first then gone through the other info.
It’s like if you live in a culture that believes in cannibalism, I hope you wouldn’t wait 10 minutes to tell them it’s wrong... I understand short attention spans is an issue nowadays, but trust me, a lot of the comments I’ve seen are people who want men of God to stand up and proudly proclaim the truth.
From another perspective, it looks as if he’s laying down soft and cushy mattresses for 10 minutes to hopefully not offend any woman with his answer of “no”. That rubs people the wrong way because the world is pushing for women preachers like never before, the church needs men who can give context, but also men who will stand for the truth, even if the truth will make them look like a sexist in the eyes of the world
1 Timothy 2 11:15 - “ A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet”
But does a deacon have authority over others ?
@@mmvilaw No, he is to oversee the WORKINGS of the house of God in a Godly manner. God, alone, is the authority.
""Full submission" and "be quiet" are taken out of context, and are often used to undermine women's significance in ministry. If women are to truly remain "quiet," then should they not pray, sing, testify, or participate on church programs? God forbid! If women HAD stayed quiet, then the resurrection of Jesus would not have been proclaimed! Now THAT was the gospel PREACHED IN FULL!!! AMEN!!!My point? You'd better speak up women if and when God calls you, or a rock will cry out in your place, too! You'd better do what the Lord says do! Please God, not man. All preaching is not done in a church HOUSE, and the "church" is not a BUILDING. JESUS, Himself, preached one of His greatest sermons outdoors on top of a mountain. Amen church! And just for the record, everybody in the church HOUSE (male, female, preacher, and deacon alike) ain't save and/or being submissive to God. Has anybody heard what happened with the lawsuit against the Catholic "church" that was filed against the parishioners for molesting boys?😯 That's what I thought! The celebrity, male preacher who was recently ousted from his church for cheating on his wife: where's he? 😏 That's what I thought! Has the Right Reverend John Gray gotten it together yet? 😐 That's what I thought! Guard your soul!Have you not read in Job where the sons of God went before the Lord, and satan went with them? Not only was satan with the sons of God, he talked to God face-to-face! That's why the ULTIMATE JUDGEMENT WILL BEGIN IN THE HOUSE OF GOD when the Lord returns for the Church without spot or wrinkle!...and the church said ..AMEN!
@@synthiabryant1182 you’re wrong
@@tcarp1616 No I'm not. AMEN CHURCH!!!
Thanks for the very well and lovingly articulation of the Word. Cleared up many questions I had about the question at hand.
Very honest and enlightening, I don’t think he could have been more honest to himself and God. I don’t agree with everything he said ,but truth be told he was honest ,careful, comprehensive and perhaps most importantly,he did not use the scripture for his doctrinal position .open minded and candid
What part of his teaching do you not agree with? What do you mean he did NOT use scripture for his doctrinal position. Of course he did.
Thank you for your teaching on this subject.
Absolutely. The word says what it means.... We need to do it.
My pastor will be on a sabbatical ‘till mid-August...he has a ‘woman pastor’ filling in for now, i think i’ll be attending another church until he returns
If you think that way you don't trust your pastor, and that is so sad
Your Paster may not be called to allow a Women to lead his service in his absence.
kick rocks@@berthaoliver5752
“I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae. I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me.”
Romans 16:1-2
She may or may not have had the official title. The word can be translated 'servant' also. This argument does not hold up against the qualifications in 1 Timothy and Titus.
@@andrewk798 If that may have been mistranslated, I wonder what else has been mistranslated...
@@andrewk798 so, you were there, right?
@@christianmotley262 such an unchristian and ignorant reply. Maybe we should abandon the whole Bible because none of us were there? Abandon creation? I wasn’t there. Abandon Jesus? I wasn’t there. Just think about your comment
@@andrewk798 I don't happen to be a Christian pal and to call me ignorant out of hand, I guess that's how Christ -like you must be. You seem to be the ignorant one preferring how something is translated according to your bias,
Blesses be the Lord in Heaven. Though the comments are full of arguments on what to do, what not to do. He will yet be praised and glorified forever more.
Paul also says that anyone who is divorced can not be a leader in the church, and anyone who has a sin they don't repent from should be kicked out of the church. It's interesting the rules people choose to follow and not follow.
That's not *quite* what he says, but I would agree that some (many?) churches are far too permissive in how they handle divorce and church discipline.
I was just thinking this. It's funny how he speaks of understanding in the "context of today," and explains how we view these titles in the modern day, but then takes the scripture literally.
I speak on can women became pastor ??
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Steven Irizarry lol. Sounds like you’re upset that I don’t agree that Timothy’s opinion in 1 Timothy 2:12 holds more weight than the evidence and legacy of Christ’s ministry of loving and encouraging women to spread the gospel as seen in Matthew 28:5-10, John 4 or even Romans 16. Or maybe it’s the fact that you have no authority to prevent women like me from preaching that’s got you so upset....
Steven Irizarry
Steven Irizarry Unlike you, I didn’t come to a TH-cam page to argue. You wrote that entire essay in response to a sentence from me- rebuking me and calling me lukewarm, as if you’ve ever met me. Meanwhile the truth is that I came to this video to continue running from my call, only to find peace with it. I would like to thank you, as well, for your adamant condemnation continues to solidify the legitimacy of the female voice and perspective in today’s church. Also, you seem a bit confused. Since I do read and study my Bible, I would suggest scripture to refer to, but it’s clear that your conservatism will prevent you from seeing an alternative perspective and studying the text in the context in which it was written for the deepest meaning and understanding. So a few thoughts, for this last post of mine on this thread.
1. Please define what you’re actually rebuking. You’re mad about women preaching, but still say that it is not exercising spiritual authority. Pick a position. You seem to just be vindictive against women.
2. The ‘many’ in the verse you paraphrased includes men too. Be concerned about the stick in your eye and not the speck you think you’ve discerned in mine.
3. You cannot bully or guilt people into repentance. Your tactics are directly against Jesus’ example of love. Your judgment is gross and you are an example of why the church is dying today. You stand on a platform of self made righteousness. Sad to see.
I reject everything you’ve said here, for many reasons, but primarily because you’ve given me examples of why you’re correct using only church doctrine and protocols. Christianity was illegal until almost 300 years after Christ’s resurrection. I wonder how many women were actually suppressed in that time, not just the ones we know of, where we were considered nothing more than walking wombs.
Considering I’m actually in seminary, your pieced together argument is laughable because of its disjointed nature; lacking facts you choose to ignore because they don’t fit what you’ve been taught is truth. I would share the writings of women who defended the church and were killed for speaking out, in its formation, such as Perpetua and Felicitas and Mary Magdalene, but you would simply write them off, because just as their voices were ignored and suppressed in ancient times, you and your ilk tend to do the same. Mary was a trusted disciple who even comforted Peter and Andrew, at their request, in the early days after Christ was crucified.
There’s a reason the church split after the first 8 ecumenical councils. The Eastern churches believed that as the Western churches sought to ‘define’ the faith further, it simply resulted in persecution, ie the Catholic Church of old, trickling down into the splitting of denominations we have today. Elders, bishops, etc came from this- which is irrelevant to to what I’m discussing. These titles are a result of power hungry men, seeking to justify their contempt thru twisting God’s word. You speak of the Greek word meaning servant. Ironic- because we are ALL servants. Your argument reminds me of Jesus’ words in Matthew 18. I still find it hilarious that men choose to focus on hierarchy to satisfy their egos.
Finally, I pose the same questions you posed to me- do you actually read your Bible, or are you simply a record player for what your leadership has taught you? You clearly take into account that only men made decisions in forming the Bible, our beliefs and the perspectives you hold dear. So how then, can you ignore the logic that women, created as help mates, have a valid position in helping men in all- living life and understanding our spirituality? I have no quarrel with the argument of man being in leadership of women- but only in the context of marriage. Jesus walked with women from the beginning of his ministry- Mary, Joanna and Susanna. He clearly valued them and their perspective enough to teach them and learn from them. How do you justify ignoring women in today’s context? Or are you so biased that you approach the scriptures to justify your perspective, and do not allow the Word to read and change you?
I chose to attend seminary at the urging of the Holy Spirit, confirmed by my Baptist Pastor, Apostolic Uncle, who is a Pastor and I attend a church who reformed their Baptist beliefs that women cannot preach, after decades of supporting this argument. I pray that you too, can un-harden your heart and release the anger you’re clinging to and exchange it for truth. Hopefully that’s not too sugar coated for you and you can refrain from rebuking strangers with misspelled colloquiums and incorrect doctrine on TH-cam.
I knew the answer was no because I read scripture for myself however I appreciate the time he takes in explaining. Christians must get to a place of “speak the truth in love”. Because sometimes new believers need the extra care the extra time the patience and explanation. Which sidebar is a fruit of the spirit - patience. The answer is still the same but the way we explain the scripture to someone just might set them free. Just as it says! ✝️🔥🙌🏾
Do you use a veil to cover your head when you go to church? Certain scriptures were written specifically for that time being and people’s present situations. If I were to follow every single practice for woman given by these two disciples, we would to start wearing veils, and sit on one side of the church separate from men. Read 1 Corinthians 11. The Jesus I read on the Bible and have a relationship with tells me I am the sanctuary, I am made to declare his praises and shine his glory, with my life, testimony, with preaching and caring for/to others. So many woman are gifted with communication and leadership skills, God gifted them for a reason. So many people are loosing their lives without a Savior, the point is, the gospel needs to be preached, whether it’s from the mouth of woman or a man. We are to preach and LEAD people to Christ wherever we are, the building called church is just a place we go to encourage and be encouraged.
Sofia Hartley the word is clear on this matter. Either we submit to it or not. The Bible specifically says Gods word does NOT change. Not for anyone at anytime and place. Culture doesn’t change it. Not one single place in scripture does a women get called to be a pastor or a preacher or a elder of the church. YET it does say we can TEACH younger women the ways of leading a Godly life and the word of God. We can lead Bible studies with women and children. Men are to lead the entire body at church. You must ask yourself why are you not accepting what God has said in His word. Christ is the Head Husbands submit to him wives submit to husbands. That is Godly order. We either submit to Gods Plan and order for our lives our not. You cannot take scripture out of context. Using your argument that some verse were
For back then is completely wrong. Because ALL verses were for back then and that would mean NONE of them apply to us. Please think who tells us which verse we get to pick and choose that remain? That doesn’t make since. And how then do we agree on those scriptures? That would confuse the body and God is NOT a author of confusion. All Of Gods word applies yesterday today and forever. It does not change. Not even if we don’t agree or can’t understand it. Pray to the Holy Spirit that you align your life FULLY with Gods word. Ask Him to reveal the truth to you. Not you reveal the truth to it.
I understand submission and that is what I practice at home, being submissive to your husband, has nothing to do with being forbidden by God to speak, preach, or lead. Woman can be submissive, and yet practice their gifts and talents given by their Father. The word of God never changes and never will, and that’s why I believe God has called ALL of us to go and make disciples, not just men. Just wanted to give a different perspective - we are the sanctuary, if we are the sanctuary, than we must go, we must preach, we must lead people to the Lord. But when I come home, I feel blessed to have a husband who is my head, and Christ who is the head of all.
God bless you, and I also hope you’ll find a VOICE in the Kingdom of God.
Sofia Hartley I am a studied educated teacher of the word of God. I love the word. I love studying it and aligning my life to mirror it. I have a question you must ask yourself. Why submit to your husband then? The same apostle that wrote about submission wrote about women having g authority over a men in church. Why are you picking which applies to you and which doesn’t. Honestly? Please think about that. Submission is a historical concept as well. Men leading is a part of patriarchal historical concept as well. Yet now our society is trying to move away from that. 1 Tim 2:12 is clear. Men are the pastors. They are the teachers of the word during church service. Why is that not ok with you? If you read every place a person is called to lead the entire flock men are called up. Why would the creator of Women leave us out and not call us up IF he willed it so.
Also yes Matthew 28 applies to ALL of Gods children. We are called to spread the gospel to all people and all nations. Everyone can do that without being a pastor. As I mentioned I do that all the time weekly at a bible study. Verse by verse understanding the full truth with women. I’m blessed and loved doing it. And I blessed to teach my children about their faith. Teach them how to study the word and understand it correctly.
But here we are talking specifically about Church service. The pastor of the church. That’s a mans role. Just like it’s a women role to carry the child and birth him or her. You don’t see men crying out to God I want to make a baby!
So final thought I’ll leave with you. Again you are picking which scriptures apply to you and which don’t. That’s very dangerous my Christian Sister. It opens the door for you to ignore other scriptures. Please please remember what 2 Tim 3 16-17 says. It reads that ALL scripture is God inspired. ALL each and every word. And as we mentioned before 1 Peter 1:25 says The Word of The Lord REMAINS Forever.
So either you believe the Lord and what He says or you don’t. Trust me I know it’s hard. My husband is a preacher. And if ever the Lord calls him to lead a church my flesh wants to preach to. Because I too am gifted in communication.
YET
I lay down my flesh and align it with the word. I will use my gifts where God has ordained them to be used. Leading my children and teaching WOMEN the word of God. Both are my calling and my hearts joy!
Please pray in it. And Listen to preachers who really TEACH the scriptures because it’s the truth that will set you free!
you and I aren’t the only ones who see this differently. One day the people of God will stop looking like the society around us and start being images of our Savior Jesus!
God Bless! 😘✝️🙌🏾
LivinLovinLeo disagree! Anyways, God bless you and your husband, and you do for the Lord!
The office of the deacon was established when the seven were chosen and anointed, to assist the apostles much like the Levites assisted the priests...
The Scriptures are very clear for a deacon's stature and capacity in 1Timothy. A deacon is to be the husband of one wife--period! It's not really fair for the video presenter to breakdown the Scriptures to degrees of authoritative holding between the male & female genders. I mean, does he really think the Saint Apostle Paul would have even cared about that?! But that's what happens when you combine the Scriptures with modern-day values and educated guesses. It's either you know the Scriptures or you don't. "Nuff said!!!
It’s a simple question that has a simple answer, no.
Only simple to you and the Taliban, Marco!
"NO, in the Biblical sense"? What other "sense" is there? Should have been a 20 second answer.
The answer is yes.
Exactly
Jackie, it took me 10 seconds.
Forreal
Shouldn't even be a question. If the answer is no, then god is sexist, and therefore an awful being. Luckily, god is a myth.
Very well laid out explanation.
Thank you Sir. Everything is right and just as long as we conform our lives to God's Word. Amos 7:7-9 God is setting a " Plumb Line ". Thank you again.
God really has called me to your videos the amount of revaluation he is giving me I can't even sum up words how thankful I am I pray that I grow more in Christ not for gain but to make Jesus more please someone pray for me that I stop smoking to be more obedient
Dillon MONTANA Were you able to stop smoking?
Amen.
1 Corinthians 14 : 33-40
1 Timothy 2 : 11,10
If this was written about any other commandment, and labeled as such, there wouldn't be any issue. When Paul addresses women not taking authority in 2Timothy, he takes us back to Genesis. He therefore isn't just saying something about women from that time, but from all time. He uses the woman's taking of leadership in the garden as an origin and example for the man to stand up and righteously do what he was MADE to do. Different roles at home and in church, but equal in Christ. God bless you all.
Vazkez31 Amen, Amen, Amen!❤️🙏🏾😇
Very well put.
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Romans 16:1-4, I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacons of the church in Cenchreae. 2 I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me. 3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my co-workers in Christ Jesus. 4 They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them.
Biblical response. Amen!
Thank you for your Biblical Clarity. Thank you thank you...
The bible never allows women to take authority over man in the church and preach
Umm, so women can't preach?
Flatheads Rebuked no they are not permitted. Not all men are permitted either. There are very specific qualifications to preach. One of the qualifications a that the bishop be the husband of one wife. A woman cannot be a husband of one wife. So all women immediately are ruled out. And most men are ruled out as well.
Chad Keaton That was a test, and it just shows the the word “preach” is misunderstood nowadays, yes all Christians not only can but are commanded to preach the Gospel or proclaim the Gospel, being female doesn’t exclude Christian women from this Christian duty all Christians should be obeying the great commission.
Chad Keaton Well I mean you don’t have to be married to be a pastor but I see what your saying.
Flatheads Rebuked No. They can’t.
What's with all the people in the comments demanding a quick answer? As if this topic has not caused a lot of hurt and confusion. It demands careful examination. If you do not allow the space needed to carefully discuss the truth and what the Scripture means, then you are not acting in love. This answer seems as sure and comprehensive a one as you are liable to get in the space of a ten minute video, and it is delivered with quite a bit of awareness of why this question is important. Pay attention to the needs of love rather than getting into such insensitive huffs.
@Fubzilla I agree, it's not a question of love, it's a question of objective biblical truth. The bible very simply buy explicitly says NO. There is not even much point of a video because this is simple biblical truth. If someone is hurt by this it's because they are out of touch with Gods truth. If someone is led by the spirit they do not get hurt by Gods precepts they humbly obey, they surrender to Gods will.
@X.X. X.X. Black is black, white is white, not because I said it but because it is objectively true. Invariably, people who have made up their minds to be disobedient with start to argue that black is grey and white is light grey. Its crystal clear in the bible and in practice that women are not to preach. The devil quotes and interprets scripture too, but the Holy Spirit will lead a humble believer into all truth. You know it's the truth because the word says it and you will also have the inner witness of the Holy Spirit. Also, if you have true love for God you will not do things contrary to His will. Love rejoices not in iniquity. Love rejoices in truth.
@The All Power Team "But his way, by the time he was done I didn't know what his position really was!"
You seem to like to hear yourself talk so much, it's little wonder you didn't listen to the video:
7:34 (speaking of the role of elder) "I think Scripture is pretty clear that's reserved for men . . ."
He then goes on to say he believe women can be deacons. He clearly expresses a complementation view and states we shouldn't let the world set the agenda.
If you didn't understand what his position was after watching the video, that on you, not him.
Simeon du Toit Right, It shouldn’t take a 10 minute video. The Bible couldn’t be more clear. The answer is NO. How long did that take? God is love. God is also the judge of those who do not keep His Word. The Bible says that Jesus loved the rich young ruler. But the next time we read of the man, he was lifting up his eyes in hell.
To take away or add one Word is to have your name removed from the book. God don’t compromise because of silly ideological ideas. Themessage.com
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Brilliant teaching!
I'm pleasantly surprised. I fully expected them to fold on this one... as so many do. They've earned my respect.
this is a topic that most modern-day churches seem to ignore. God has a divine order and it is beyond time and culture. Leadership or headship was always been reserved for the males (high priest, Rabbi's, Officers, General's, etc) and there were no rebuttals for centuries until the 20th century. Now we live in a society where you can be and do whatever the heart desires to do while also ignore God's divine order in favor for emotionalism and sensationalism.
Amen bro!
No rebuttals? Respectfully, it’s ironic how you talk about history and conveniently leave out the many times women have challenged this stance throughout history. Our generation is surely not unique in that regard. I also seriously don’t understand how people who hold vigorously to this teaching seem to forget Deborah. Esther. Mary. Abigail. Priscilla. Etc.
Joan of Arc. Queen Elizabeth. Mary Queen of Scotts. Queen Victoria. Just off the top of my head.
@@erickamoore2491 Deborah was a prophet primarily
@@prophetic_dreams_and_visions "And Deborah, a prophetess,the wife of Lapidoth, judged Israel at that time". Judges 4:4. She judged Israel. God appointed her. Amazing how God can change a narrative if he desires to. She is the only woman in scripture named in that position.
Good messages please continue the work of God.
Best explanation so far on the subject. Thanks a lot, pastor.
Agree. This is a clear and succinct overview. Great explanation.
If you’re interested in a longer more thorough explanation that looks at different scholars arguments I’d recommend Mike Winger’s series ‘Women in Ministry’.
@@GraceandFranz Mike's series is great!
This video make a good point, because a title or position in one denomination can have different meaning, role, and range of authority from another denomination-We have to put a person in a position as close as possible as what the Bible say.
Good summary of what the Bible says. Thanks for the video and instruction. Despite what the stooges in the comments say, I'm glad we get instruction here on the context of the Bible, and different applications of verses, and a straight up admission that 1 Timothy 3:11 is not perfectly clear on the translated word for wives. Humble and honest answer that considers the whole counsel of God's Word.
1 Timothy 3:11 is talking about deacons. Not elders, or overseers.
What and who is a stooge? Am I a stooge for asking this question? Just asking.
Question: If the Word of God says a woman can not be a Deaconess, then why does Romans 16:1 call Phoebe a Deaconess at the church at Cenchreae?
Kjv calls Phebe a servant of the church. Does not say she preaches.
Mary Tammero thank you for the clarification. You're so right. People need to read the Bible more and just do what it says to do.
Deaconess is not in the Bible.
I was just reading about this the other day in MacArthur's Quick Reference guide to the Bible and he calles Pheobe a Deaconess. I looked up the word servant used in Romans 16:1 and here is what Strong's had to say:
(g1249) διακονος, - dee-ak'-on-os; probably from an obsolete διακω (to run on errands; compare (1377) (διωκω)); an attendant, i.e. (genitive) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially a Christian teacher and pastor (technically a deacon or deaconess): - deacon, minister, servant.
God; Strong, James. A Complete Bible Reference Study Library (4 in 1): [Illustrated]: KJV Bible with Strongs markup, Strongs Concordance & Dictionaries, Lexicon Definitions, and Bible word index (Kindle Locations 231808-231814). Bestbooks. Kindle Edition.
So, I don't know. The Bible is clear that it is a man's role to Pastor a Church.
Dwain Sinclair I own two bibles. In my text both say that Phoebe actually was a deaconess in the early church. The thing is that every bible has different translations and some ( depending on when it was translated ) are more accurate than others. But you are correct she was definitely a servant of the Lord.
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@youknow Well Said !!
Hallelujah. Praise em. ❤
People always want what they can't have. As a man I can never enjoy nursing a child, God has reserved that role for women, just as being a pastor of a church is reserved for a man. The problem I see is not enough men are stepping up to be pastors so there's a void of good leadership in many churches nowadays.
Deborah was a Judge over Israel. A Judge was, in part,
a spiritual leader.
I loved how he approached the question with humility and authority.
Thank you for the post.
Whose authority?
What do the word say
@@aquilabird There is only one authority....the King James Bible.
@@fireballxl-5748 KING JESUS HAS THE AUTHORITY , JESUS GIVE US FREEDOM TO PREACH THE GOSPEL , NOT MAN, ANYONE CAN BE A PASTOR FOR GOD GOLRY
@@hyacinthmcdonald8595 Your response in all caps bewrays your womanhood....i.e. the emotional response instead of a calm, thinking response. One of the reasons women are not to have authority over men.
1Tm:2:12: 'But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." If that sticks in your craw, it is because of a rebellious spirit within you.
"Women pastors / preachers? Can a woman be a pastor or preacher?"
Answer: There is perhaps no more hotly debated issue in the church today than the issue of women serving as pastors/preachers. As a result, it is very important to not see this issue as men versus women. There are women who believe women should not serve as pastors and that the Bible places restrictions on the ministry of women, and there are men who believe women can serve as preachers and that there are no restrictions on women in ministry. This is not an issue of chauvinism or discrimination. It is an issue of biblical interpretation.
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.
There are many objections to this view of women in pastoral ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, then the majority of Jesus’ disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching men (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, the pastor of the church in Ephesus). Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, and women were the authorities in that branch of paganism-therefore, the theory goes, Paul was only reacting against the female-led customs of the Ephesian idolaters, and the church needed to be different. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention the standard practice of Artemis worshipers as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11-12.
A third objection is that Paul is only referring to husbands and wives, not men and women in general. The Greek words for “woman” and “man” in 1 Timothy 2 could refer to husbands and wives; however, the basic meaning of the words is broader than that. Further, the same Greek words are used in verses 8-10. Are only husbands to lift up holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing (verse 8)? Are only wives to dress modestly, have good deeds, and worship God (verses 9-10)? Of course not. Verses 8-10 clearly refer to all men and women, not just husbands and wives. There is nothing in the context that would indicate a narrowing to husbands and wives in verses 11-14.
Yet another objection to this interpretation of women in pastoral ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. It is true that these women were chosen by God for special service to Him and that they stand as models of faith, courage, and, yes, leadership. However, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue of pastors in the church. The New Testament Epistles present a new paradigm for God’s people-the church, the body of Christ-and that paradigm involves an authority structure unique to the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.
Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscilla pastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11-14.
In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9).
The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11-12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13-14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22-33) and in the church.
The fact that Eve was deceived is also given in 1 Timothy 2:14 as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church.
Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helping/serving. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).
God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership-in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them.
Ronald Evers you could have just said “NO”
@Ronald Evers as a woman I couldn't have stated it any better than you. I'm in total agreement with. Until the Holy Spirit reveals to me something else, I'm in total agreement. I was just telling a friend of mine this same thing. We women can be an Evangelist, Prophetess, and a teacher. To hold the Apostleship or Pastoral offices. . . NO! There is a divine order to all things. Can we have an apostolic anointing? Yes! Other than that I just don't think we should pastor because it's not biblical. Now God can call whom He wants. The times we're living in the priesthood is profaned, but not all.
Simple answer is No
Thanks for your efforts in
My understanding on this is that the logic seems adequate unless you know & take in to consideration...
A. More of the whole council of scripture in context.
B. How Pharisees as teachers using the Hebrew traditional ways to argue scripture to come to an Halchic decision of interpretation of scripture. Paul was applying these & if ignored or not understood; interpretation of Paul's intended meaning is mistaken as per 2 Peter 3:17
C. The order sequence of the Greek in some areas has been somewhat manipulated to arrive @ the English translation to suggest differences not actually in the underlying text,....and @ times opposite to what has been given.
D. At times the definition of a Greek word is utilised from a range of accurate meanings to only suggest a doctrinal preference in the reading stance. These can been shown to cause disharmony when the whole body of scripture is taken into account. Like women can't speak in an assembly but women are also said to be involved in prayer and prophecy which seems to require verbal audible communication.
E. Letters generally are written with an understanding of the recipient's cultural reality, so every issue is not necessarily written out like a treatise for us in the 21century. The letter is personal & there are common comprehensions of the issues involved without writing in great depth when addressing them. Paul's letters are often responses to needs of the community. If we need to go outside scripture when necessary to rebuild accurate cultural context to grasp a hold of what is going on, we should carefully set about to do it. It may be absolutely necessary to maintain any chance of understanding what the letter actually means. The aim being to arrive @ sound Bible exegesis.
1. Paul himself would not have qualified as a teacher being without a wife as he clearly states, in desiring those in faith to stay like him..single although they don't sin if they do marry.
2. It is traditional for the time to refer to scripture, which was only the OT as Paul wrote these letters with the readers expected to either know or ask for the greater context of the short reference given.
In regards to the reference to Adam & Eve it is the argument to squash the incorrect disruptive pagan eons story of Creation being circulated by gentiles women coming into faith in this assembly but unaware of how God the Father created.
The subject of the Creation Story is in view in & has nothing to do with which sex is fit to teach and if it is applied as such neither men nor women would be fit as one was deceived & the other willingly ate.
The subject is about teaching God's Word with accuracy & stopping discord in an assembly & in the Greek, the women doing this are called to learn in quietness peaceably just as much as it could be translated silence.
The following are links to scholarly research presented independently of denominations. Some of the church history documentation referenced is certainly faith changing in a great way.
I recommend looking @ the Early Church History Home Page embedded video series 5 short segments of approx 15 minutes each.
houseofdavidfellowship.com
houseofdavidfellowship.com/downloads/1Sep129g9d7/
houseofdavidfellowship.com/downloads/15Sep12g987h/
I recommend looking @ the TH-cam series of ACTS & then ROMANS or listening to it MP3 as well and perhaps you may start to see more of God's Will on the road to Emmaus too! . It will release any person from the inconsistency & 'unsolvable' , that comes about from not reading an Hebraic ANE document in context of Hebraic thought of the 1st Century. The many cultural influences of the time period are also more revealed now that digitisation of ancient Greek documents & translation of same as well as full translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls bringing new essential information to our faith in Christ are available to us. Praise God.
These can be found on TH-cam
th-cam.com/play/PLCWtXJuFwsXYNspdFs6l2lMpvcb0NbWZ1.html
The website focused on OT
www.torahclass.com/teacher/author/tom-bradford/old-testament-studies
Be blessed
Kind regards in Christ
FJ
Hello Ronald just wondering if you have looked at my earlier reply. Not sure if you have.
God's word can proclaims a lot of doctrine in translation.
The Greek in 1 Tim can very adequately & accurately be rendered as quietly peacefully as in good learning behaviour in the classroom.
You correctly state no educational status is required, so the argument about women not being educated & therefor not likely to be useful in teaching is fallacious in fact.
Verbal education was the norm as the parchments or papyrus were so expensive that many only had access to them verbally anyway.
Through out the Bible it is hearing and doing the Word of God that is the instruction and yes some where in a better position to do that as being able in reading and writing but your argument reduces the influence the heard Word of God has on the heart inspired by the Spirit of God.
The restriction for women having authority to teach over men was naturally restricted in this instance as the assembly was in in disarray due to arguments between those understanding Truth from the scriptures because they had heard and believed the Truth and those in this assembly; specific women who were proclaiming the Greek belief of eons as the creation story.
This was not a letter that was notated to be circulated to all assemblies either so generalising may be a mindset you have brought to the document because of earlier training.
Paul specifically gives the reference to the Adam and Eve story of the true Creation by the Father to not just show the intense ignorance of these women of scripture.
You may not be aware but Paul being a Pharisee trained under Gamaliel used the classic argument style of the religious Jew to bring forth a halachic decision. Typically in this format the Rabbi (Paul ) puts forth his reasoning by referencing a short portion of scripture re: Adam and Eve and would have expected his listeners to either know the whole referenced story ( not just a verse or two ) to keep contextual alignment and if they did not know...the expectation was to find it out so they would understand the Rabbi (Paul's) halachic ruling decision.
Paul as a disciple originally of Gamaliel had to memorise the whole Hebrew Bible so that is another reason Yeshua chose him to go and proclaim the Gospel to the Gentiles. He didn't have to carry a whole Torah role everywhere he
was one !
Be blessed Brother in finding and doing truth,
Kind regards in Christ
FJ
Good explanation! I enjoy these videos.
@ The Honeycomb Channel Dr Stephen no rape or sexual abuse ,among pastor men to do what they like ?? woman will not silence , going to bible college then what , God is equal with men and woman , God pour out his spirit upon son and daughter , Jesus give woman more opportunity to speak, should the woman at the well keep her mouth shut ? should Mary the adultery should be stone because of what she done ?? should Mary madalence who found the body of Jesus as 1st One person or should be the other way round as Peter or Thomas should be the 1st One ??? Tell me why was Mary the entire experience with Jesus was taken out of the Bible ???????????????????????????
This is the best video I’ve come across on this.
No need to even listen to this video, he is just trying to make sure no one gets their feelings hurt, if you really want to know what God’s word says n not mans interpretation, then read 1 Timothy 2:11 through the end of the chapter, then read Hebrews 13:8, and if u say that Gods word has to change with what society wants, then that’s between you and God, but if you read his word, you’ll find his answer
josh arendse
Amen
Amen!
Man lol, I started skipping through the video like, is this click bait?
giuseppe mendoza Paul said that for compromisers. They always use that excuse to bypass the Word of God. Paul was the prophet to the gentile church. God lead His prophets, told them what to say and even spoke through them in prophecy. Paul’s Words are in my Bible just like Moses Words. My whole Bible is the Word of God.
I agree brother.....listening to him you come out more confused with his back and forth. How can he teach unless he is sent ( by God). He needs the Holy Spirit in order to make it plain.
This explanation was really good
Is not about feelings is about obedience to what the scriptures says.
Excellent commentary!
Well spoken 🙏🏽!!!
no rape or sexual abuse ,among pastor men to do what they like ?? woman will not silence , going to bible college then what , God is equal with men and woman , God pour out his spirit upon son and daughter , Jesus give woman more opportunity to speak, should the woman at the well keep her mouth shut ? should Mary the adultery should be stone because of what she done ?? should Mary madalence who found the body of Jesus as 1st One person or should be the other way round as Peter or Thomas should be the 1st One ??? Tell me why was Mary the entire experience with Jesus was taken out of the Bible ???????????????????????????
@@hyacinthmcdonald3706 cope
@@javyroo9405 Pastor Eddiie Long and Pastor Brian Houston father sexual abuse children , you telling me cope well, you can say these all pastor male abuse children hope they cope well , okay , okay God bless you .
Well said. Excellent explanation and analysis.
Wrong not well said it's Biblical what he said
Can anyone tell me where the scriptures that says apostles has passed???
1 Corinthians 14, 33-40 . Let your women keep silence in the church...
Let men do it all...women are to stay home cook clean and have babies and wait on a man hand and foot. Like slaves. Since men seem to think women are so worthless. I will not speak in church, testify or witness to others. Let the men do it all....See how long the church stands. Technically there are more women that attend church than men. So to all women: DON'T DO ANYTHING....BE SILENT AND SAY, NO, WHEN TOLD TO GO OUT AND WITNESS, SAY NO, WHEN ASKED TO TESTIFY, SAY NO, TO TEACHING SUNDAY SCHOOL CLASS. SAY NO, TO TEACHING YOUR KIDS...I BET THE MEN WON'T LAST 6 MONTHS. lol WOMEN JUST SAY NO...!!!!
#1 Rebuttal: "That was for that culture of the time." #1 Fact rebuttal and invite: Show me one single verse that states or eludes to "when the culture changes the Word changes." Go ahead, I'll wait.
While the ministry of women is essential to the church’s proper working and health, only men are given the responsibility to serve as pastors and elders. Although Scripture is quite clear on this point, there are many individuals, churches, and denominations that choose to disobey the Lord’s will in this regard and allow women to function in pastoral and teaching roles. But God’s church will be blessed and will honor Him only as it follows the plan He has revealed in the Bible.
The clearest biblical teaching on this issue is found in 1 Timothy 2:12: “But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.” This command comes in a section of 1 Timothy which teaches about the functioning of a local church. Some people believe when the apostle Paul wrote that a woman should not “teach or exercise authority over a man,” he was conforming to a unique situation in the city of Ephesus or to the cultural value system of the time, but that is not the case. Notice in the next verse Paul refers back to God’s original design for man and woman: “For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve” (1 Timothy 2:13). This proves God wants His created design of male leadership and female submission in the family to extend into the functioning of the church.
On certain issues, the concerns and goals of the modern feminist agenda are in agreement with God’s standards. For instance, they agree women should not be discriminated against in the workplace but should be afforded equal opportunities with men. They also rightfully condemn violence against women. At the same time, however, the modern feminist movement frequently contradicts Scripture regarding the roles of women. For instance, some of the key goals of feminism are to protect a woman’s right to abort her baby, to affirm lesbianism, and to promote the idea that there is no distinction between men and women’s leadership roles in the family and the church.
These contradictions with God’s Word are not incidental but evidence a fundamental error in feminist philosophy which can be traced back to the original fall of mankind into sin. The events recorded in Genesis 3 explain how the feminists’ opposition to God’s plan began. When God created Adam and Eve, He designed a productive and perfect balance between the nurturing leadership of a man and the supportive following of a woman in marriage. After God created Adam, He said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him” (Genesis 2:18). A few verses later we read how God created Eve: “So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. The Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, ‘This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.’ For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh” (Genesis 2:21-24).
When Adam and Eve sinned, God’s perfect plan was perverted by the depravity in the hearts of men and women. Adam sinned by stepping out from under God’s authority when he ate the divinely forbidden fruit, and Eve chose to reject the authority of both Adam and the Lord. One of the consequences of their sin was the corruption of the complementary relationship between man and woman. Genesis 3:16 records what the Lord told Eve: “Yet your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” The desire Eve would have toward Adam is not a good kind of desire but a desire to conquer or overcome. You can see this in Genesis 4:7 where the same word describes what sin would do to Cain: “Sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it” [emphasis added].
From that time on, one of the expressions of sin in women would be the tendency to break out of God’s intended supporting and following role. At the same time, men’s sinful tendency would be to neglect their responsibility to love and lead their wives, dominating them instead. God’s perfect plan can be implemented and enjoyed in marriages and churches only when sinners receive new hearts of humility and obedience. It is only when men and women submit to God’s way that they will experience the greatest blessing.
The differing roles of men and women in marriage and the church should not lead us to believe there is any kind of inequality personally or spiritually between the genders. In the Word of God the principles of gender equality and women’s submission exist side by side. Genesis 1:26-27 reads, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.’ God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.” Men and women are created equally with a likeness to God. They share dominion over all creation and are both commanded to rule over it.
The second chapter of Genesis contains a more detailed recounting of the creation of Adam and Eve in which we see the divinely ordained functional ordering of leadership and submission between man and woman. Adam was created first (2:7), and Eve was created later in order to be a complement and helper to him (2:20-23). It is this creation order Paul mentions to support God’s intention for male leadership in the church (1 Timothy 2:13). This is the reason why the roles of pastors and elders are limited to men in the church.
@@normanpelley I see you deleted the "get a clue" portion...I assume after you realized I wasn't against your position, actually for it...hence, me asking anyone to provide one single verse that says when the culture changes the Word changes...you see Norman, I assume, they can't. Which means they can't rely on the ignorant reasoning that "that was for that time back then, we're different now, women can preach...bla bla bla..." You see Norman, I side 100% with the short book of a response you gave. Sometimes we pause before we reply...saves face know what I mean...
Are you saying cultural edicts in the bible are not to be followed? Or are you implying cultural edicts of bronze and axial age apply to today?
The "word" has many contradictions and dichotomies within what the pearl of Jesus message and sacrifice.
Which "words" do you follow to the letter in the bible?
John Johnson
Mary told the disciples,
"He has Risen."
The most important message of all Jesus gave to a woman. They've might of been three woman, regardless, the words our faith hangs on Jesus gave to Mary. Then, the disciples didn't believe what she, or they said either.
Thanks be to God.💞
The 10 commandments change because the culture changes.
I Tim. 3:12 seems to spell out deacon qualifications...
Dr. Wellum I have a question. Sir last night I was caught by surprise at the church I attend, I only have been there two month. A woman came out preaching. And I'm totally against it because I trust in the word of God. But I was in shock because I told myself I would never attend a church where there's a woman called pastor. Now the church where I use to attend, the pastor past away. And then that church started to change things around that I didn't agree with, so I left. And no, not because I didn't want correction or Discipline, I need that in my life, but left for other reasons. But anyways I've been looking for a church for me and my wife to be and I ran into that one. And I really felt God send me there but then what I saw last night, I didn't agree with it. My question is, what can I do? Or what is it that I should do? Because I don't want to lead my family in the wrong church. I pray that God uses you or anybody in this channel to give me wisdom, guidance and direction of what to do. God bless you. I apologize that this is not a comment but a question but I'm in desperate need of guidance. 🙏🙏
Pray and fast. Shalom.
I have always struggled in this topic, but I know in my church we have women who are pastors, but not senior/ head pastor. I’m not in anyway trying to be prideful, but just going by what the Bible says.
@Wadsy I agree, and I wonder why so many churches still do?
1Ti 2:11 - 1Ti 2:14 (CWSB)
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
X.X. X.X. Acts 21:8-24
Who did God send to prophecy to Paul, while he was staying at Philip's house?
The answer is right there, plain as day.
@@alyas8357, was this within a church context or a one on one basis?
@@alyas8357, it is quite obvious from the passage that it was not within the church context that the women corrected or taught the men. Let's just be guided to follow the Bible based on context and not always generalize.
Emmanuel Umoren Your right.
So the qualifications for a deacon in the word is null and void?
That's what I was thinking... Hmmmmm... But Acts repeats what God spoke through the Prophet, Joel. That God would pour out His Spirit upon all flesh. Your sons & daughters would prophesy...
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, GOD'S WORD IS VERY CLEAR. THANK YOU.
@John 3:19 most correct on that indeed
@John 3:19I perceive you a Pharisee, Paul was writing Timothy about a cultural issue the Greeks worshiped women as gods they were leaders, Paul was trying to change a culture, plus this was 2,000 years ago, your religious ignorance is typical
@@alassmann your right in, and there’s much more than just your point here.
@@alassmann You are correct. He's ignorant of the historical cultural context that Paul was addressing, where in the mystery cults women held positions of authority that men were not allowed, and some women in Ephesus were attempting to bring that system into the church. And they had the cult of Eve which Paul strikes down in saying Eve was deceived, not the man, and Adam was first, not Eve, which is the opposite of what the mystery cults taught.
There were definitely deaconesses in the early church in many areas, so I think it would be reasonable to have women serve in the diaconate (but not as a transitional deacon on the way to priesthood). It wouldn't surprise me if we see this change within the Catholic Church within my lifetime.
Get out of the Catholic church it is a cult that leads only to Hell. The Bible says you must be born again and the catholics don't believe that
Thank you sir
Joel 2:28; Acts 2:17-18: God said he will pour His Spirit out on people and men and women will prophesy and be servants. Pastoring (or being a special leader, a Shepherd), Deacon (or special servant) is a gift of the Holy Spirit. If I'm reading the Holy Scriptures correctly in context, God said it will be poured out on all people men and women. Women can be a pastor and Deacon, it's biblical because that gift is from the Spirit, God's Holy Spirit.
Amen to that!! Your answer needs to be top answer.
baggabliss thank you for that wisdom... 🙏🏾
I am natural overseer for organizations. I think God gives woman gifts and if someone is gifted in an area, who is the man to say "no"
Amen to that!
God says NO
What a gracious way of covering a topic that can be challenging for folks. One point he didn't mention: The same term for "helper" used in Genesis to describe Eve is also used to describe God! Does that sound like a demeaning term to you? Different roles, equal value. We need leaders. We need helpers. God know best.
Good job prof! Defined it and nailed it!! What a good steward of the Word must do. Discipleship is not only what, but why. He accomplished the task here in a shorter time than it could take to make the case.
1 Tim 3:12 is clear. If the bible says something clearly in one place...it doesn't contradict itself. God only has to say it once to be truth. Having said that, a Pastor or Deacon can't be a woman & be the husband of one WIFE. Unless u believe in homosexual church leadership. This guy should be fired...his logic is someone Paul would have corrected very fast.
No he did not nail it he actually is wrong and has come up with an explanation that makes himself and people feel good rather than actually take the word for what it says
no rebuttal, just he "is wrong?" Good job. I stand by what I said five years ago. @@tesleyzehner7290
You didn't capitalize "Bible" and stretched it out to include homosexuality? Nice red herring there, Andy.
@@andrewcarpenter1855
At about the 2 minutes mark you said that apostles were unique for that ancient time but that gift to the church has passed away - what is the biblical basis for that?
That "apostle" was a demarcation used for a person who had witnessed the resurrection.
@Welcome's House guy, the Bible is infallible and inerrant. That doesn't make it a dictionary. That's just what that word means in that context.
@@MrShadowy1 this all Protestant nonsense!
Well picked-up , usual Protestant nonsense here. ie, the BBBB...Bible is everything and then we'll simply make-up something Non-Biblical, when it suits us. Since the days of the Apostles, they were laying hands on select members of their communities, to bestow upon them the very teaching authority given them originally by Christ Himself.
@@mmmail1969 usual protestant nonsense indeed. Provide chapter and verse, then, for your interpretation.
1 Timothy 2:12 “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”
@daniel what do you do behind the curtain , stop been a hypercrite and liar , too much going on male pastor , what did Jesus says the woman of samaritan ?? did she keep quite , dont forget Mary stripture experience with Jesus taken out ??? why men like you against woman ??? am sure Jesus would have the finally say to Paul , the Paul hear one word , that paul cannot agurement against Jesus words!!
@@hyacinthmcdonald8595 You need learn your place within the church as a woman. If you are a follower of His Word, follow all of the Word of God and not just the parts you want.
@@Chism_Music are you saying that Jesus should told the woman include the woman at the well and mary the 1st see Jesus alive to keep her mouth shut ? and the woman who did adultery should be stone to death , the men say she should be stone to death , same goest to you Daniel you would say the same things, that why men hate woman that good keep up
@@hyacinthmcdonald8595 Even the woman at the well Submitted unto Jesus giving him water for drink when he asked of her. The woman sharing of her experience with Jesus has nothing to do with teaching the Word of God.
@@hyacinthmcdonald8595 You are mistaking the sharing of experience with teaching the Word of God. A woman can share her testimony or her eye witness account, but to teach the Word of God is a no. For Eve was deceived by the serpent.
You said something about Apostle. I believe in Ephesians 4:11 Apostles are mentioned in the group of pastors, evangelists prophets and teachers . Why do we accept some and not some. I agree with everything you said regarding women pastors
Is the Great Commission in Mathew 28:18-20 applicable to Men only?
Koni Fiu that verse is referring to going out there and winning the lost...we are all called to be witnesses.
Once those souls are converted, they are part of the church and need a pastor to oversee them who shall be a man not a woman. It’s ORDER in the church as it is in the home.
As I read all these positive and negative comments all I can say is the Lord said trust in God with all your heart and do no lean on your own understanding and in all thy way acknowledge him and he will make your path straight.
People of God remember Jesus came for a reason think..
Mike Gowdy Amen
You also have to look at the Greek gender of the word used. For office if elder, it's male gender. For office of deacon, it's gender neutral (diakanos).
Bullshit and more Bullshit
Apostle means "one who is sent out" normally to start a church somewhere new, so like a missionary who is meant to stay at were his mission is and become the head pastor there and spread the gospel. Or to start a new church and appoin someone else to be the elder.
I've read many comments that are just saying "it is clearly this other way instead", but Dr. Stephen is considering carefully what the original text says, and as a Bible student trying to use the original text whenever I can, I can affirm after him that this is not a clear thing in the Scripture. For me his is the best answer, not these other simplistic incisive ones.
In what the Bible clearly states, Dr. Stephen has stated in Its authority, but in what It doesn't... then it would be dishonest to anyone state in Its behalf, ignoring the dilemma.
That's because the question should have been can a woman lead a man in worship, prayer, or bible study. That answer is a clear no. Remember friend, the Lord is no author of confusion. The scripture is simple, making sure no one gets their feelings hurt is complicated.
André Peixoto
You are really over complicating the issue. The scriptures are very very clear on the issue of leaders and teachers, and this is more than adequately supported contextually. Women are not permitted to teach nor have authority over the men.
@@brodysdaddy Paul was basically saying don't be disruptive in church !
@@brodysdaddy "The scripture is simple" Let's be careful here. The Scripture is 100% true and never contradicts itself, yet the apostle Peter clearly acknowledged that it's not all "simple" - see 2 Peter 3:14 and following. That's why teaching pastors are so important.
André Peixoto Sure. Why should we go with a direct answer in the Bible, when you can listen to a denomination (choose carefully. They all disagree.), seminary preacher, or any one of thousands of personal interruptions. God was just confused, right. He forgot to upgrade His ideas and Word with the modern times .... right? I think not.
10:06 cracked me up a little. So true.
How can a WOMEN be a DEACON if as it says in 1 Timothy 3:12 it says LET THE DEACON BE THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE?
@@ronaldking94 i agree totally
That was great. Very helpful. Thanks.
I think Dr. Wellum did a great job on this video. This is a very important topic. He spoke clearly and I think he had a humble attitude. To read some of these comments one might think that he was entirely too slow to get to the point. The ENTIRE length of this video is 11 minutes!! I've spent about 4 hours listening to Mike Winger's series on Women in Ministry and I haven't finished the series yet!! But yeah, 11 minutes really is a long time. I feel bad for pastors these days. God help us.
Southern Seminary, 'Blessings' for confirmation on these issues. Never wanting to be outside of the will of God.
You're Absolutely right, and yes God knows best. I honestly know in most cases the women are the hardest workers in the church. I still find myself at times still listening to the word of God by a woman. I enjoyed your to the point briefing.
If you're being taught by a woman/female... I can guarantee you don't know 💩💩💩💩... Let me prove my point=what is your biblical nationality?? Does God love everyone?? Is salvation for everyone??
As soon as this guy said Apostles are done away with I had to leave. God has given us Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Teachers and Pastors for the perfecting of the saints. The scriptures prove this guy incorrect from the jump. May God enlighten him to the truth.
I am Russian Orthodox and in our Church, it's not even a question. I appreciate your video.
Because its still controlled in East. Problem with Protestants is they all reside in the West where Feminism exists. Such a pain
You are a case apart. Youve done a pretty fine job at keeping the wolves away but the west is under heavy attack, and it is hard to tell what will happen in the next few years
And the answer is YES, woman can be pastors, deacons, or whatever needs to be in the church. Marie was even the mother of the Son of God, no man could have been that....😉
So by faith and using our brain we accepted the Bible is inspired by God. Let's continue like the, faith + brain, continue to read and understand it.
In the whole Bible there isn't a clear condamnation if slavery. But we add texts and by faith + brain, we understand slavery is wrong....let's continue like that to everything we read. We are all one in Christ, Gal 3:28, and 1 Cor 12.
Jesus said that who wants to be important in heaven needs to serve the most people possible.....woman and man can serve all, so they will be important......don't let people manipulate you because of their desire of power, control or manipulate....
Faith + brain, and serve Jesus.
Women cannot pastor over men or have authority over a man thats scripture Jesus being born of a Virgin is something different friend we got to stick with the word the Bible is not going to change for nobody 💯!!
I see at least one flaw in your overall argument. Paul is, throughout his writing, fairly clear on when something he says is what God wants versus what he, Paul, thinks. This one falls under what Paul allows, not what God requires or desires.
Thank you! Why is that so hard for people to differentiate?
In 1 Corinthians 14 Paul discusses the matter of spiritual gifts in the first century church. After instructing the church that those who speak in tongues had to "keep silent" if there was no interpreter, and that one prophet had to "keep silent" if another prophet was speaking, he says, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church." (1 Corinthians 14:34-35). To this passage is attached the following admonition, "If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord." (1 Cor. 14:37).
Good exposition with a good disposition.
I myself enjoy it when a person give there view on biblical question, but yes the answer is no,
I appreciate his explanation from Scripture. Sure, he could have just said "no." but others could have just said "yes." One opinion is as good as another. Enquiring minds want to know what God said,
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Not opinion! The BESORAH says NO
COMPROMISE HAS CAUSED GREAT DECEPTION @
What God says is the only thing that matters period!
@@salazarraul2792 then why bother commenting if it won't matter? (You're not God)
A women should not preach, let them set and keep themselves quiet.
@@waynewilliams1116 all must fall in line. All must lick the boots of god. All must obey god's tyran... I mean divine order.
I would say that based on the text women would not be allowed to be deacons or any type of leader role where a man would be over them. Because Paul says teach or have authority over a man, also they are suppose to learn quietly and submissively under the men. Also under the qualifications of deacons it says husbands of one wife just like the elders have to be; in the preceding passage. This structure would be likened to the church from its origin, only men serving in the house of God in an office manner (Aaron and his sons/Levites). This has been since the beginning. Notice how Paul states they are to keep quiet as the law states. Much love and God bless to all.
Watch also " Who Changed the Sabbath" by Pastor CD Brooks
God doesn't change: neither will He take His Word back! Women CAN'T be pastors!
That's it. People who are confused about this issue are people who *do not* look to God as the final authority. This means, they are unbelievers.
Women are not called as permanent leaders on the church and/or home
@Jb 318 you're smarter than you look. Each one has an opinion, mine is not based on me, but on Who God Is..... yours is based on liberalism. Now I am not here to fight, just to share my 2cents....
@Jb 318 I really feel sorry for you.
God never said a woman can’t preach or teach His word
Does anyone here read ancient Hebrew or Greek? I’d guess a lot don’t, so, I would suggest you put your listening ears on and you might learn something.
Yeah, I can read them.
Are you arguing that every single translation of the relevant scriptures is wrong and do you have proof?
@@johnbreitmeier3268 how….huh? I’m not understanding the question or rather how you’re coming to ask that question….
We have to stand apound the word of God what it say must not add nor subtract from it
@@madjack821 For the past 500 years there have been reliable English translation of the Bible that have been used by English speaking Protestants as the primary way of understanding what the Bible teaches. These translations were done so that scholars of Greek and Hebrew and Latin did not have a stranglehold on biblical meaning and interpretation. The translators took great care to make sure they translated the meaning of the Greek and Hebrew correctly so that all English speakers could debate biblical teaching on an equal footing with priests, bishops and popes. The Catholic Church burnt some of them at the stake for doing this. Since then thousands of trained Greek and Hebrew scholars of all denominations have checked and rechecked their work finding little need for correction. Suddenly lately,"pastors," usually with a single semester class in NT Greek if that, are "discovering" new translations which radically challenge key teachings of the Church that have been agreed upon for 500- 2000 years. This dishonors that 500 year work of translations AND more importantly seeks to put you subject to their own "superior" understanding of the Bible which you may not challenge just like the old popes did.
Thank you for the honesty
Great answer! I concur