@Southern Seminary Actually there is scripture to back up this question >>> John 15:24 (Jesus spoke about nonbelieving jews))>> ''If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.'' As we know, the infants would have had no chance of seeing nor understanding any miracles or any teachings, even if it was taught to them ..because they have no understanding...therefore they are not guilty of sin and will be saved
I think this also shows the concept of an age of accountability has a basis in Scripture. “For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings. - Isa 7:16
Children will go to hell if they are of the age of accountability to is around the age of 5-6. But children under that age have most likely not sinned and will not go to hell
Few days ago i lost my 3 days old brother it feels empty i can't even imagine what my mother is feeling right now i can't see her suffering and i miss my baby brother so much i want him back but i know he's in the better place ❤
Inari, I am so sorry for your loss. Please know that all is well for your little brother, he is with Jesus Christ and is safe and happy, there is nothing to fear, these guys have it wrong, all little children are protected by the atonement of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 19:14 "Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” According to Jesus' word, your little brother is saved.
You absolutely laid the right foundation w Abrahams quote. That confidence is an adequate place of rest for God's people (regarding this), and the necessary beginning to all further inquiry in this and many other matters. Thank you!
@@robertgivens9479 people make their own fucking choices, i bet your one of those sad old fucks who go "she was asking for it because of what she was wearing" fuck off, god hates you
@@InitialPC you asked for it.. be careful what you wish for . miserable .. if you don't like what to read. then close your eyes hater.. you probably don't even know anything about God. .liberal
@@tylersoto7465 the bible says to rebuke them that stand against truth and also to be angry and sin not .. open rebuke is better than hidden love proverbs 24 ?
God gave me comfort to this 24 years ago after my first miscarriage. I've had 7 or 8. But with my first one after she died. I dreamed she was about 5 in heaven with my deceased grandparents. They never spoke but looked at me waved and walked away. But then she stopped turned to me and waved again. Never thinking that God was preparing me for the other miscarriages. Yes they did hurt but also gave me peace to know they are in heaven with our Father-God. I always joke saying I might not have any on earth yet but I got a whole basketball team in heaven waiting on me.
If anything, I find so much mercy in this. Knowing that possibly, these children can turn from God when they are indeed in a capacity to reject him, God takes them before it happens and they find themselves only by His grace, with Him ❤️
Listen to what you are saying. As a result of believing in these god myths, you have actually convinced yourself to think that babies dying is a good thing. Can you see how distorted your worldview has become because of this nonsense?
LOL.. wouldn't it be unfair why we are born not the same as infants who died who can be saved right away without so many unnecessary things? I wish I died as infant.
@@terminusadquem6981 So you wished for death as an infant, meaning you think nothing of your life, which you presumably believe was given to you by your god. How completely upside down. You insult your god by being so dismissive of what he gave you. Strange, as you now want to be with him in this mythical heaven place. Contradictory at best.
My grandson died in the womb the day before he was born, three months ago today, and I know for a fact that he is safe in Heaven with God. Thankyou Jesus
I'm sorry for your loss.. Your grandson is in heaven. He was too good for this world and God called him back. I know it hurts but be happy for him he is in Paradise with the LORD !!
@@Zedo-Tampa Thankyou for your kind words. I know I will see him again, and his oldest brother (my first grandchild who died in a traffic accident almost 2 years ago, 10 days after his 21st birthday). We've been through/going through a lot of grief . But God has been my strength. God bless!
Thinking that humans who die are living somewhere safe is a comforting thought. However, the bible gives us the knowledeg to really comfort grieving humans. The dead don't go anywhere when they die. They just cease to exist except in God's memory. Jesus called it a sleep (John 1:11,14) Psalm 146:3, 4 Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he RETURNS TO THE GROUND; On that very day his THOUGHTS PERISH. Under God's government these dead will be resurrected and reunited with family and friends on this earth (Acts 24:15). Humans will then get an opportunity to live on earth without the need to die again as was God's original purpose in creating humans (John 3:16). Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Jesus reiterated this at Matthew 5:5.
@@toffeetigerkimba : if God tells us that life doesn't continue when a person dies, we must believe it. There is however, someone who wants people to believe it does. Genesis 3:4 At this the serpent (Satan) said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. Humans died and went back to the dust as God had decreed. Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to DUST YOU WILL RETURN.” Satan has been trying to make God out to be a liar. That is why he uses all sorts of guile to make people believe in something opposite to what God says. Deuteronomy 18:9 “When you have entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to imitate the DETESTABLE PRACTISES of those nations. 10 There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, 11 anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who INQUIRES OF THE DEAD. 12 For whoever does these things is DETESTABLE to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. If we hear voices of supposedly our dead loved ones telling us things, be comforted it isn't the real person who died. Someone unseen is mimicking the voices. All dead ones should be resurrected back onto this earth when God's Government takes over soon. If we are around we could welcome our family and friends. Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
This man is mistaken. We are not born sinners we are born with a sinful nature. The consequence of Adam and Eve's sin was death and this is what we inherited along with the sinful nature thus we all die, not that we are automatically born sinners. We do not inherit the sins of our parents, we are only accountable for our own sins. It is written: The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them. Ezekiel 18:20 NIV
I could be wrong here but isnt death a result of sin? we inherit the sin of Adam not our birth parents. Romans 5: "12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come." i think we can be reassured that our kids/toddlers will make it to heaven by the Grace of God through a gifted faith. John jumped at the voice of Mary. David said he would see his child in the afterlife. God is just so he will do the right thing and He is good to us as he always has been. He will look out for us and our families- as Promised and Always. Do we believe this? If we say kids get to heaven because of age then we will see millions of people in heaven who needed no faith, no trust in Christ, no Grace and would only say i died young. God's grace and mercy will save our kids but by grace through faith in Him who died to save us all.
@@joshua6545 I CONCUR. I TRULY SERVE A RIGHTEOUS, LOVING AND MERCIFUL FULL OF JUSTICE GOD. ASSUREDLY, I SAY TO YOU, UNLESS YOU ARE CONVERTED AND BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN, YOU WILL BY NO MEANS ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. THEREFORE WHOEVER HUMBLES HIMSELF AS THIS LITTLE CHILD IS THE GREATEST IN THE KINGDOM GOD BLESS OF HEAVEN. WHOEVER RECEIVES ONE LITTLE CHILD LIKE THIS IN MY NAME RECEIVES ME. MATTHEW 18: 3-5. MY GOD ALSO DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE "WHOLE" ENTIRE WORLD 1 JOHN 2:2. UNFORTUNATELY MANY PEOPLE WILL REJECT GOD'S FREE WILL OF SALVATION MATTHEW 7 " 13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it" "A FEW PEOPLE WILL FIND IT." WE CALL THAT FREE WILL., IT SURE DOESN'T SAY, GOD HAS SELECTED A FEW PEOPLE FOR SALVATION AND DAMMED THE REST OF THEM, EZEKIEL 18:30-32 “30 “THEREFORE, YOU ISRAELITES, I WILL JUDGE EACH OF YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN WAYS, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD. REPENT! TURN AWAY FROM ALL YOUR OFFENSES; THEN SIN WILL NOT BE YOUR DOWNFALL. 31 RID YOURSELVES OF ALL THE OFFENSES YOU HAVE COMMITTED, AND GET A NEW HEART AND A NEW SPIRIT. WHY WILL YOU DIE, PEOPLE OF ISRAEL? 32 FOR I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF ANYONE, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD. REPENT AND LIVE!” MY GOD DOESN'T TAKE PLEASURE IN THE DEAD OF THE WICKED. GOD BLESS YOU,
Really? So if a child is born of the seed of Satan, who's to say a newborn is listening to God? The seeds of Satan begin as soon as possible, even in the womb.
Thank you for having this part of ministry where questions are answered. Its been a ministry that is sorely needed. I even heard of a pastor that after his surmons had a Q&A EXCELLANT ! I want to stand up in church and say "What about....." and wanting to further understand. Once again. Thank You and please don't stop.
Falcon but I can have hope, can't I, hope that all will be saved and hope for the resurrection of all? It is the choice of the individual soul whether or not they want to go to Heaven or Hell, and their actions on earth can reflect what they are leaning towards. I don't know how a babies' soul develops, or how much of a choice they have when they die, but just about every baby that hasn't been exposed to evil will probably choose the good. Their innocence reflects that.
Falcon we don't know of the ones who have and who haven't been saved. The hope I am talking about is the hope of the salvation of humanity. Some will (hopefully) be saved, some might not. We don't know. Only God knows that. The Scriptures might say not all will be saved, but we don't know who will and who wouldn't.
Falcon I can like my own things. If I wrote something and I think it's good, there's no harm in liking it. Also the Bible also teaches to have hope. Faith, HOPE, and love. :)
Great Answers. I had never heard the theological argument from general revelation before. I have always found Jesus statement "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these" as strong support for little children going to heaven. That was Matthew 19:14 and we see that statement in all of the synoptic gospels.
true, i think the argument from general revelation is also profoundly true, because it answers a related question with regard to mentally retarded children; what about mentally retarded children who never grow conscieous of their existence, and so cannot perceive and thus reject the natural revelation of GOD? Very profoundly biblically true
2 Samuel 12: 16-23 this is the account where the child of king David dies and at the end of this verse, David says " I shall go to him, but he will not return to me." ... we know that David is on heaven with God, and so is his child
i lost my baby july 23, and he was born july 21 i was c-section delivery at that time.That time he was detached to me i was not able to see him. i only heard him cry and the nurse says that he is getting black when he cried so while i was in my bed all i could do is called his name and soothe him not to cry from a far and i ask the nurse if my son have a congenital disease, she only says that need to check him and we need to talk to a doctor. To make it short my husband told that our baby loss his heartbeat, and i cried and beg for him that i want to see my child, i didnt have a chance to see him to feel him. and then when i am in nicu. i saw him lying there naked only wearing diapers with a tube in his mouth. when i talk to him calling baby and his name he open his eyes😢 that is the moment that i will never forget. And then the time they revive him for the third time i was the one who says thats enough just give me my baby i want to hold him now and then he died in my arms. iloveyou so much i will treasure our last moment, just promise me that you will come back again in any form. I and you father will wait for you.
@Brad Roberts YOU SURE MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THE GOD OF THE HOLY BIBLE HAS A SEVERE DISSOCIATIVE DISORDER. IF THE DEAD DON’T IMMEDIATELY GO TO HEAVEN HOW DID MOSES AND ELIJAH APPEAR AT THE TRANSFIGURATION SPEAKING TO JESUS. AREN'T THEY WAITING FOR THE RESURRECTION? WHEN A CHRISTIAN DIES HE/SHE IMMEDIATELY PASSES INTO THE CONSCIOUS PRESENCE OF CHRIST IN HEAVEN, BUT WHEN THE DAY OF RESURRECTION ARRIVES, HE/SHE WILL BE GIVEN A NEW AND GLORIFIED BODY IN WHICH ALL OF GOD’S PEOPLE WILL LIVE AND FLOURISH ON THE NEW EARTH ( REVELATION 21-22). GOD BLESS YOU.
A couple of incorrect points, Adams sin is not imputed into the sons and daughters. Multiple verses in Ezekiel state this, the son does not inherit the sin nor the guilt of the Father, and this includes Adam. James 1:14-15 Ezekiel 18:14-21
Amen, well said. But what about adults or teens who have mental issues from birth, my daughter is 14 but due to birth complications she still thinks, reasons and behave like a 2 or 3 year old.
What a cruel thing to say to those that have lost very young children. That their child wasn't innocent, was a sinner. It's terribly sad, the thought that people who've recently lost a child - get told nonsense like this, and how it must affect them at such a difficult time.
On the cross, Jesus said “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” I feel he meant that for everyone. His grace covers all, but some will choose to reject it. Those that choose to reject Christ’s grace (like Cain-loved Satan more than God) will not be forced to accept it. They choose damnation because they are more “comfortable” there. He gave us all the path to chose, but he’s not going to force the human mind. All children are alive in Christ. For more on this topic, you may check out www.comeUntoChrist.org if you feel so led. “Suffer the little children to come unto me for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.”
Also, this reference here: 1 Peter 3:18-22 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.” He suffered for the just and the unjust alike. He causeth his rain-a symbol of His grace-to fall on the just and the unjust. Those that knew not the gospel will have it preached to them in spirit and will be given the choice to accept or reject it. Some will reject, and some will move into the paradise of God where they await their resurrection, just as the man on the cross who asked Jesus to remember him. I can’t believe that some Christians think that God would damn to hell someone who he caused to grow up Bhuddist or Muslim or some other non-Christian religion. That doesn’t sound like a just God to me. It doesn’t sound like a merciful one either. But I know God is just AND merciful and that he suffered for all mankind who would repent and confess His name. He has a plan prepared for all His creations, for he has prepared a mansion for us all. He said he did.
The catholics told mothers who lost infants before being christened that they were in hell. Filthy bloody religion why anyone bothers with it is beyond me ..........the words in the Bible were written by evil men to frighten an control people .......what a shame people are still frightened in the 21st century.. Rid yourselves of this religious filth, all religion is bullshit.
This is a hard question. If it's the case that unborn children and infants go to heaven that just gives rise to two other questions: when is the cut off point i.e when are infants old enough to understand special revelation and so not be covered by this direct entry into heaven? Secondly, does this apply to mentally handicapped people as well? It is also difficult to think about those who have never heard the gospel because although they have God's general revelation without His special revelation they also are not able to believe but I think it's risky to start saying that some people can get into heaven without believing in Jesus by a backdoor method.
Those type of verses Christians want to stay away from. They are confronted with a disturbing truth when it pertains to this particular topic. The bible blocks them in with uncomfortable truths.
@jlhaws115 hey thanks for responding to the comment. But doesn't the verse say who He (The Holy Ghost) is referring to? " the wicked go astray as soon as they be Born" as soon as you're born you are a what? A baby. The gentleman in the video said " we can trust God to do what's right" then we have to trust God to do what's right even when we think He's wrong. I'm not saying I want babies to go to hell. Our that I support abortion. But we don't know what a baby could grow up to be. Only God knows. The Bible says "his ways are higher than our ways his thoughts are higher than our thoughts" remember God ordered Israelites to kill whole nations women and children. Why? Because He knew what they would do when they grew up.
The Bible is referencing that as a human you are born into a sinful and wicked nature. If u wanted to disregard the true meaning of that scripture, then common sense also tells us that babies are not born with the ability to talk immediately, therefore they surely wouldn't be able to lie. All babies and children go to heaven until they are at the age of accountability. There is no set age for that, instead the ability to have a conscience to know right from wrong. And yes we as Christians do have to trust that our God is always right!
@@dezdaking This guy shouldn't be doing videos, he has no idea what the Bible says. The answer is in the Bible, if you are interested in the truth, ask and I will tell you where to find it.
Don't agree with everything. But what a God we serve. He is indeed the God of love. And thank you my brother for relating the love of God the best way you could. Blessings
Great arguments. Thank you! I would also add that it shows that God's gift of eternal life truly has nothing to do with me, as God saves those who die before they can understand acceptance. I take away from God when I claim to have any part in my salvation.
Janna Medina ...for it is God who works in you to will & do according to His good pleasure. Isn't the work of God inside all we do that is good, the most intimate phenomenon? I think so...
I was married but am now single and have been so for over 20 years. I have no desire at all to be married again. Is it ok to be a Christian and single? I've not heard too many sermons on singleness and all of what comes with that.
Actually there is scripture to back up this question >>> John 15:24 (Jesus said) ''If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.'' As we know, the infants would have had no chance of seeing nor understanding Jesus miracles and teachings, therefore they are not guilty and will be saved
@@reformedwretch2071 Not saying I disagree with you, my first reaction was the same as you but then I read again and paused. Could you explain why, centering on this part " they would not be guilty of sin" Thanks.
Dant e: John 15:24 is in relation to the Jews, not humans in general. Jesus’ miraculous works, in effect, convict those who hate him, as he notes: “If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have both seen and hated me as well as my Father.” Thus, as Jesus says, the scripture is fulfilled: “They hated me without cause.” When people die, all their sins are erased, (Roman 6:23). They lie in the dust awaiting a resurrection under God's government. Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. I trust this clears things up.
@@tongakhan230 To be honest now that I look back at the comments I can't honestly say what I was thinking at the time to pose the question I did, I don't think it was in relation to what you've just tried to explain. At a guess I'd say I was wondering why the notion that babies are innocent of conscious sin isn't supported by the same scripture even if it isn't directly related to it in the full context.
I can agree with this Pastor that children were born sinners but they have no idea to extend their thoughts about the Word of God. Therefore Lord God will extend mercy upon them as compared to a grown up man. Thanks and God bless you, mr Pastor. Amen.
Long story short: in the year 2000’, I had my first born son and 8 days later after birth he passed away from a medical condition. Back in those days I was a young teenager lost in the World,deep in the streets Hustling, and many more other things that blinded my walk with God. Fast forward eighteen year’s later(2018’), I am a Christian now Saved by Grace, and humbly gave my life to Christ wholeheartedly in 2012’. So I have this work injury and I get a major back surgery on my spine in 2018’. They put me to sleep for the 5 hour long surgery and here’s what happened next…. I remember first waking up in the Spirit.. I couldn’t see my body, my vision was similar to a GoPro vision (P.O.V.) while looking out. The very first thing I seen from my perspective was tall glass buildings like mansions that had a bright sparkle like diamonds 💎 to it. It seemed like the buildings never ended in height. I was in this street looking around and saw everyone walking around in bright white robes of some sort. The streets where Gold but a different type of gold from earth… from a distance the gold seem to vanish and looked like wet liquid gold on the road/streets. Something stunning like a mirage. As my vision started to move away from the City I woke up to, I noticed there was around 6 kids riding bikes following me, and one particular kid that was closer to me then the rest of the other five kids. As I got out the city, everything around me reminded me of a beautiful paradise of never ending hills,trees,and bright green grass. As I came to the end of where I stopped, the kid closest to me was in my face now about 2 feet away and I could see his face,skin color,height,and body form. It was my first born son who passed away in 2000’, he was a mix of my two sons that came after him and that are alive today. He was around 10 years old now,and had a never ending smile I will never forget. He never talked to me, but I felt his energy and his mind maybe through telepathy tell me he would see me again one day and to never worry for him again. I woke up post surgery right after and remember telling the nurse where is Eric at? The last thing I seen was his smile in Heaven that resembled my brothers smile so I woke up to remembering that and the nurses didn’t know what I had just been through. I believe God gave me a vision into my sons life in Heaven, this is what the Bible states that can happen in the Believers life. I was in tears for two weeks straight when this happened, I’m thankful for God and if you have lost a child, you will be reunited again when God calls you home.♥️
In 2 Samuel 12:23, after King David’s infant son had died, he says, “But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.” I conclude after reading this verse that babies and infants go to heaven. We do enter the world as sinners, and we all deserve judgement, but I think this is where the age of accountability comes into this. James 4:17 says that “So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.” Babies and infants, including what liberals call “fetus” which is really just a baby, are not consciously aware of what is right and wrong because they have not received the knowledge of Good and Evil. Also, Jesus says in Matthew 19:14, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." The kingdom belongs to little children, and he goes in further saying we need to become like little children, gaining the humility they have in order to stand before God with confidence. Hope that helped.
You are correct. In face, Christ’s sacrifice was meant to cover all who sin unknowingly, Christian or not Christian. A person never hearing the gospel is not damned to hell, especially if they would have accepted the truth had it been preached to them. “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.”
My two year old baby girl drowned in a pool at the babysitters house that was just chemically treated. She was in there for 30 minutes before they found her. So not only did she ingest the poisonous chemicals, she drowned. My two year old SUFFERED horribly!!!! Why would God allow that to happen? Why would an all knowing God even bring her into the world KNOWING she’d have to endure that???? And then create the domino effect of pain throughout me and my whole family??? Bring her into the world just to take her out two years later KNOWING that would happen?!! I need answers.
First, my condolences and Lord have mercy on your great pain. I'll pray for you to evercome such a tragedy. Be sure God is the fountain of justice and your child is in his Kingdom were suffering doesn't exist. Second, God gave us children to take care of them, even though tragedy may happen, because this world is not paradise, but the result of human rebelion against God in Genesis (Adam & Eve). Your child was to be protected to avoid harm by accident. Certainly the babysitter has the guilt on this tragedy and God gives us free will to act properly by choice, so let's not blame God on humans faults. Trust in God and His mercy, who will hear your prayers along with your heavenly child. ☦️
Alright I'm up to 4 minutes 50 and so what you're telling me is I was better off dying as an infant then possibly living a life of sin is this correct? Because it sure sounds like it
the truth is? nobody knows. I asked this during my conversion process, even asked about animals and if they get a chance of a new life in a better place. Nobody knows, they might go on about it like they think they know....but they dont know.
@@robraver Calvinism: election and reprobation are unconditional. Unless you're a child of an elect parent. Or you just die before some unspecified age. Then you are guaranteed to be elect. But other than that, it's unconditional.
If that would be the case, then heaven will be filled with children. Actually not all children will go to heaven. Psalm 37:28: "For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved forever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off." 1 Corinthians 7:14: "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy." So Paul is saying that if someone from the family is a believer all the family is sanctified through that person, but that doesn't mean that they will be saved. God will give them the opportunity to be saved. Now the little ones who don't know right from wrong they will be saved based on the parent's faith. If both parents are unfaithful, then the children will not be saved, it doesn't matter if that child is innocent. That's why in the Old Testament God said to kill everyone from Canaan.
Once again, this point is unlikely to remove every concern from the mind of the modern reader, but we must add another dimension to this issue. If we ask whether it would be better for God to allow children to grow up in such a perverted culture and religious system or to bring their young lives to an end and gather them to Himself, we begin to see that what happened to them may not have been the worst option. Even as we consider this, however, we are on dangerous ground. Only God can make this kind of judgement, since He alone possesses all knowledge and wisdom. Our finite minds are incapable of understanding every dimension of such a dilemma. Like Paul, we must acknowledge that God’s judgements are unsearchable and His paths are “beyond tracing out” (Romans 11:33).
For George Once again, this point is unlikely to remove every concern from the mind of the modern reader, but we must add another dimension to this issue. If we ask whether it would be better for God to allow children to grow up in such a perverted culture and religious system or to bring their young lives to an end and gather them to Himself, we begin to see that what happened to them may not have been the worst option. Even as we consider this, however, we are on dangerous ground. Only God can make this kind of judgement, since He alone possesses all knowledge and wisdom. Our finite minds are incapable of understanding every dimension of such a dilemma. Like Paul, we must acknowledge that God’s judgements are unsearchable and His paths are “beyond tracing out” (Romans 11:33).
For George Once again, this point is unlikely to remove every concern from the mind of the modern reader, but we must add another dimension to this issue. If we ask whether it would be better for God to allow children to grow up in such a perverted culture and religious system or to bring their young lives to an end and gather them to Himself, we begin to see that what happened to them may not have been the worst option. Even as we consider this, however, we are on dangerous ground. Only God can make this kind of judgement, since He alone possesses all knowledge and wisdom. Our finite minds are incapable of understanding every dimension of such a dilemma. Like Paul, we must acknowledge that God’s judgements are unsearchable and His paths are “beyond tracing out” (Romans 11:33).
@@gabrielacristea1648 Esti romanca? Anyway, we truly don't know the mind of God, His ways are not our ways, but for God to take all the children to heaven, that would be unjust for them because God would not have given them a chance to choose if they want to or not, I'm thinking of what that child chooses when he grows up. God knows what that child grows up to be, a good person or not because He knows the future. So I don't believe that all the children will be saved. Besides, think of all the millions of children that are killed every year through abortion, are they all going to be saved? The answer to that question will be answered when Lord Jesus comes to take us home at His second coming. Now, why do I say that not all children are going to be saved? We have examples of christian families, both parents obedient to God and their child chooses a different path that leads to death, even though he was raised in Church basically. On the other hand, we have families that have nothing to do with God, but their child chooses the right path and will be saved. God is just in who He chooses. I'm sure that many people from church that we look up to will not be saved and many that we thought that they had no chance of getting to heaven will be there because God judges the secret man of the heart not by appearance like men do. Doamne ajuta, God bless.
So, looking at it strictly logically (I’d like to believe that infants, who haven’t had the opportunity to receive the word of God, will go to heaven, but playing devils advocate): The example with David that you’ve pointed out is merely a hope that David had. God didn’t tell him that he’d be reunited with the infant, he simply hopes that it’d be the case, or rather, he believes it. Furthermore, from the case of simply saying “God will do the right thing”: God will do what is right by God’s standards, which apart from the direct instructions for how to live, are beyond our comprehension. Anyone who claims to know exactly what God sees as right is foolish, as we have no way of seeing through His eyes. While we can infer based on history what He decides is right, we do not definitively know what God’s judgement is like. We are, after all, imperfect, so hence our view of justice that isn’t clearly outlined by God, is imperfect. And, logically following the statement that man inherits the sin of man at conception, infants thus bare the same sin, and are not absolved without first accepting Jesus into their heart. While we might see that, an infant or fetus that hasn’t had the opportunity to do so is unfair, well, I’m certain there are other things we’ve as humans perceived as unfair, but just in the eyes of the Lord, which can never be wrong. I certainly am willing to listen though, for more concrete theological arguments, beyond just hoping that our view of justice aligns with God’s. And I’m not claiming to see things through the eyes of God either, I’m merely pointing out what, from my perspective, is a flawed argument.
The Holy Spirit lives! And lives in us ! If Jesus is in you ! Jesus referred to us as having to be like children ! Of course they live with him ! And he in them ! 😇
I know Catholics believe babies are born with 'original sin', and insist on instant baptism. However, the Bible teaches that one must be cognizant of one's sinful nature in order to repent - and then be baptized. Infants do not have this awareness. (,So I presume they are protected until they have a discerning conscience??? I liked your answer that they are protected by grace, until.....)
There are at least 2 specific scriptures that are clearly avoided in this fairly consistent Baptist argument re: age of accountability: 1. Palm 139:16 "... in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them." 2. Eph. 1:4 is one of the fundamental scriptures in the Reformed Theological view concerning election. "...even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him." So, before the foundation of the world, He chose SOME for eternal life in Christ and others He did NOT. Logically, those who were NOT chosen to eternal life (before the earth's foundation) would be sinners already "condemned."
Single predestination refers to unconditional election. Double predestination refers to election and reprobation. Reprobation is the doctrine that God predestined the damned to hell. The damned are punished for sin, but that alone is not why God predestined them to hell inasmuch as everyone is (or will be or would be) a sinner. That, in a nutshell, is what the terms mean. Freewill theists object to both. I don't think double predestination raises any pastoral concerns. But it's best to address one question at a time.
John Baker I think, though of course some will disagree!, that it makes little sense to talk about single predestination. Single predestination would say that God predestined (chose before the world began) certain idividuals to life (salvation in Christ) but did not predestine others to death (condemnation/damnation.) I would argue that in choosing not to appoint them unto life and subsequently regenerating them, God chooses to appoint them unto death. This does not mean that He condemns them arbitrarily, but perfectly justly for their sin, nor that He keeps them from believing, but leaves them to their unbelief. I affirm double predestination, but also believe it is proper and consistent to say that God is entirely responsible for man's salvation, but man is entirely responsible (morally) for his own condemnation. God held none back. See, for a very few references, Matthew 11:25-30 and Romans 9, especially 6-23. Consider also God's relationship with Israel whereby He chose one people to reveal Himself to, while largely leaving all other people's/nations to themselves and only general revelation (Romans 1:19-23.) I don't mean that His choice of Israel is identical to predestination because not all Israel believed, but it shows plainly that God chooses freely and graciously to interact with different people in different ways, showing more grace to some while leaving others to themselves (that is, to their own darkened hearts which reject the testimony of creation ala Romans 1.) Some pastoral concerns are that many object to these doctrines as perhaps hard hearted, unfair, "not what my God would do," or contrary to their understanding of certain other scriptures. It is essential to declare this with clarity as plain Biblical teaching, showing God's perfect justice and the perfect and necessary freedom of His grace. God is not required by justice to be gracious, nor to show equal measures of grace - that's the very nature of grace. This ought to be a doctrine of comfort to believers, never of discouragement to unbelievers. Back to Matthew 11, Jesus said, "ALL who are weary and heavy laden..." and was not disingenuous in so saying. any view of predestination that limits the extent of the free offer of the gospel below the scriptural offer is deformed. Keep in mind also God elsewhere said He takes no delight in the death of the wicked. "Willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known..." NOT "delighting in the death of the wicked and the damnation of sinners" I hope this was helpful, and that you find it to say no more than scripture will support. You can readily find much fuller treatments of the matter, though, of course, views differ.
Chris Brenan Re: your 1st parag., 2nd sentence. All are dead in trespasses and sins as per Rom. 5:12 ; Eph. 2:1-3. We are all condemned into that spiritually dead state through unbelief as per John 3:18. We don't have to be predestined to condemnation -- it's the universal condition of inheriting Adam's corruption that leaves us spiritually disconnected from God, unable to know Him or even seek Him as per Psalm 14:1-3 ; 53:1-3 ; Rom. 3:10-18. There is a Divine predestination to save some through the mercy of God as per Rom. 9:15,16,18 but human condemnation is a result of God's promise to execute Divine justice for disobedience as per Gen. 2:17. That justice, resulting in death, fell on both Adam and Eve through their transgression. It would seem to be a stretch to affirm that God's justice bringing condemnation emanates from a predestinating decree rather than just His foreknowledge.
John Baker: No one is predestined. Everyone has a free choice. Else, these scriptures make no sense. Deuteronomy 30:19 I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must CHOOSE life so that you may live, you and your descendants, 20 by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice, and by sticking to him, for he is your life and by him you will endure a long time in the land that Jehovah swore to give to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” Matthew 18:2 So calling a young child to him, he stood him in their midst 3 and said: “Truly I say to you, unless you turn around and become as young children, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens. Acts 3:19 “Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get your sins blotted out, so that seasons of refreshing may come from Jehovah himself
In Ezekiel 18:20 it says "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." If we are no longer punished for our father's sins, why would a baby be considered sinful due to Adam and Eve? From what I understand, sin is a verb, it's actions we do that are against God. In Mark 7:20-23 it says "And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.” Since a baby never had the opportunity to commit these sins I don't see why they would be considered sinful.
So... Did the children put to death during Joshua's conquest go to Heaven? You have some major problems with your theological reconciliations here in this video. Maybe Sheol, where they have the opportunity to see and believe in Christ? Or, you think babies in the OT automatically bypassed Sheol? Makes no sense, especially when it was called Abraham's side and Abraham was there.
I think this question falls into the category of God (the only Judge) gets to decide. Scripture is not clear. Lots of very challenging philosophical questions come up. On the one hand David says that in sin did my mother conceive me. And the Bible says that in Adam all die....so there are reasons from those verses that they might not be innocent and automatically going to heaven. Then again the Bible says in Revelation that the dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.....its hard for a baby to have done much (other than original sin). At the same time, and this is where the questions get difficult; are we not then making abortion doctors heroes if we conclude that all unborn babies go to heaven.......I mean if most people go to hell (small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life and only a few find it), then abortion would then be more effective a means of saving people then the cross of Christ. And, if were predestined, like the Bible, seems to teach, for eternal life; then why would we ever get aborted.....why wouldn't we be protected by guardian angels until we come to faith in Christ.....the bottom line is God, who is the only Judge, will get to decide. Certainly not for me to make that call.
I think you're right… The salvation of children (which seems fairly obvious in Scripture to me) would make abortion more effective than the cross from your point of view. Not exactly a powerful view of the Almighty in my opinion. Moses 1:39 tells us exactly where God finds glory and it is through our salvation (our eternal life.) That's a lot of glory for God to lose with most people in hell! Answer can be found in First Timothy 4:10 "That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe." So God is going to save all people according to the Scripture but especially the believers. How does this work? In revelations we are painted with a word picture of a crucible just as was done many times in the Old Testament. The sins of the people and their torment will burn off and rise into the smoke, separated from them. It's no coincidence that crucibles in ancient times used sulfur to purify gold in a container of fire. If it is a literal lake of fire that we sit in for eternity and eternity (Aion does not mean eternity by the way, it means an age) why include the sulfur in this allegorical word picture? Is it because the pain of fire is an enough and it has to stink as well? This assertion is ridiculous. Sulfur was a component used in crucibles to purify gold. Every knee that bows and tongue that professes shall be saved and guess what everyone will do after the rapture? Every knee shall bow and tongue shall profess. If God's glory is the salvation of man and God will be made all and all (First Corinthians 15:28) Then he will have complete victory. This is why the cross is far more powerful than an abortion Dr.
Scripture is very clear, just stop listening to this guy, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Read Ecclesiastes chapter 12 vs 7, this tells you what happens to everyone at death.
In the early Catholic church the answer would have been unbaptized babies, along with every other unbaptized person goes to hell. All the early Church father's said as much. I remember on writing where babies were considered the perfect example of sin, demanding, selfish, stealing lying little monsters and that he was looking forward to being in heaven looking down at the unbaptized babies crawling around on the floor of hell. Of course this is the same church that practiced trial by ordeal so what can you expect.
I think your comments are absolutely brilliant. I do also think that this comes into account where mentally handicapped people and even people or other children who do not understand the concept of sin is it Genesis states will God not do what is right? Of course. He would never send to Hell those who do not understand the concept of sin again, infants, children to sit knowledge, I’m not sure it’s called the age of accountability any people use For example, if I asked a three-year-old what is sin, he or she would generally believe not know he or she may know the difference between right or wrong, don’t touch the stove because it’s hot and it will hurt you but their understanding is limited to that sort of right or wrong behaviour. A child of that age, perhaps would not going to intentionally stab something to death circumstances where one might, but that’s going down a chain of psychological issues that is not in issue here. What we are discussing. I genuinely believe is about the knowledge of sin. Therefore, how can we say that an unborn infant has KNOWLEDGE of sin, no, and again with the severely mentally handicapped. Bless you
If God take Enoch who has the mental capacity to speak, walk, talk and understand right from wrong to heaven with out dying. Then God would not send a baby who can't talk, think walk or anything who hasn't had a chance to come to Christ. Yes we are born in sin but God's Grace is WAY more sufficient than we could ever imagine.
The Dr's thought, the lawyers thought, the elders thought, the high priests thought they knew. Until Grace appeared! And they had know clue. They only had the law which is Holy but it was uncompleted until the full volume came in flesh to explain and to preach and to heal and set captives free and save us in his Journey. Listen when we die the body sleeps. But our spirit man lives. Remember that people of God. He simply loves you and is in love with you your children your unborn your babies and even big babies like us.
A good observation indeed. Only God is morally and perfectly GOOD. Jesus made that clear when he said: Luke 18:19 Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God. Even Jesus who was called GOOD SHEPHERD and TEACHER doesn't match up to God's standard of GOOD.
Excellent sir..even though According to Doctrine of Election and predestination All people will not be saved so How all babies are elected? could you please Explain to me...
In these comments Jennifer Nwosu offers an explanation about the spiritual nature of salvation as independent from physical maturity. In essence, all souls are offered the choice to accept Christ or not. I grew up around missionaries that pondered these issues endlessly. At the end of the day they tended to conclude that even babies are spiritually confronted to choose. Strangely, this created the question for the need for evangelical programs of spiritual outreach since Jesus was going to do it anyway. It may be that our truest responsibilities are to feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the naked, and love others.
The danger with this teaching is that if you are talking to someone who is considering an abortion, because for a baby that is going to be born into a terrible situation an abortion could be seen as an act of mercy. But at the same time if someone just lost their 6 month old baby, it would be deeply cruel to say “I don’t know”, which is the truth.
Deuteronomy 1:39 I think babies are innocent, even with Paul’s colorful hyperbolic language of babies being sinful. Of course they’re innocent. God is clear that he looks out the most for those who truly are weak and helpless in society. Children are among the top of that list.
there is direct scriptural evidence that children are not lost; in Matthew 19, Mark 10, and Luke 18, Jesus says to suffer the little children to come to Him, for of such is the kingdom of heaven...thats 3 witnesses in the sense of 3 different accounts, plus the fact that it is from the mouth of Christ whose words are sure He compared children to the people who are in heaven, or rather He set up children as a standard for the saints to aspire to...yes all babies and young children go to Heaven when they die
Well scripture does say we are all born into sin, but not born sinning. By nature we are all in rebellion to God and wish to go our own way .The CCC 1862 explains that one commits only venial sin “when he disobeys the moral law in a grave matter but without full knowledge or without complete consent”
The question of will not the judge of all the earth do right resolves nothing in the question. If infants who die aren't in heaven then are you implying the the judge did wrong?
they are spared, since there’s nothing God can judge them on: Ezekiel 18:20 (NIV) “The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.”
Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right and judge sin and pour out his wrath on those conceived with sin-natures? Or is an infant more valuable than a child in her twenties?
So, as sons and daughters of Adam and eve, we are born sinners? Hm... So if our parents are horrible people, it means we're still bad as well? That's kind of... Not stupid. Just... that doesn't make sense.
So what happens to the millions of indigenous people of small islands and huge pockets of the world where they have never had the chance to understand the catholic bible or the King James.
@Derrick Crawley Actually no, you don't have to give up sins..first..you believe by grace through faith in the Son of God. That's the gospel of grace. Then you are born again..a child of God.
As commonly accepted all children are granted acces to hell. When a mother loves her children, she wants them to go to heaven. It would be a risk to let them grow up and account for their sins, maybe ending up in hell. Would it then not be ethical to kill your own children? They would surely go to heaven, and you are willing to sacrifice yourself. Which also could make the argument she should be granted acces into heaven. She sacrificed herself to save her children.
OH BOY … These guys at SOUTHERN CEMETERY always tell us what they “think” Rather, PROVE ALL THINGS. (1Thess5:21 KJV) Prove everything from the scriptures! Jesus said, “Suffer (allow) little children to come unto me, and forbid them not, for such is the kingdom of God.” (Matt14:19 KJV) AND “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” (Phil1:6 KJV) Once a child is conceived, God is going to perfect that being on the day of the Rapture!
God also punishes children for the sins of their fathers to the third and fourth generation (Exodus 34:7). So why not use that passage as a proof text that God sends all children to hell because their parents are sinful? How does the Abraham passage he quoted outweigh this verse? Because it’s easier to agree with?
Romans 5 says " Death spread to all men because all sinned". Sin is a choice. Sin is not passed through the bloodline. It is not physical. Ezekiel 18:20 says "The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them." To teach an unrepentant unbelieving sinner can enter heaven is to teach Universalism.
Everyone is born innocent and sinless. God forgave Adam and Eve. They were intended to live on earth regardless. No one inherit their sins. Stop the madness. Come to Islam
I believe Matthew 24:14 also helps, this when Jesus said the end would not come til the gospel is preached throughout the whole world and it shall be a witness unto ALL nations. What this tells me is the fact that persons would have heard the gospel and refused it, they can't use the fact that they didn't hear it as an excuse (hence why it's said it will be a witness against all nations). With tht said an unborn child and a dead infant would obviously not have heard the gospel and had a chance to repent and be saved. So I believe the Lord will be just and save who He will save
This is an excellent answer. And I would further ask if this same Biblical logic would apply to those are mentally disabled and die, but they do not die as an infant but as an adult. I think Pastor Tom would agree with that, but I would like to hear further discussion of that.
God's wisdom is beyond human understanding I think we should leave the judging to Him. A good example is Esau and Jacob life Isaac favored Esau but God chose Jacob 😁 we cannot understand His wisdom, we can only be respectful,obedient and trust His judgment. I am content with his judgment because He is a just and fair Judge.
I agree, it seems to be a difficult question but the answer is easier than it might first appear. No one, not even babies, are righteous. (Romans 3: 10) David said that he was a sinner not just at birth, but at the moment of his conception. (Psalm 54: 5)
@@IsaacNussbaum Not righteous and being guilty are however two different things. And well, kids are still under the parents. I recall that the 'original sin' postulate was also the argument in favor of "pedobaptism" (which isn't baptism at all, but that's another matter). The argument was: If you don't 'baptize your kids quickly' it may die and then go to hell. Hence baby-sprinkling was made obligatory. Psalm 54:5 tells me "He will reward my enemies with evil. In Your faithfulness, destroy them. " Think you mean another verse there. Recall something with "conceived in sin". Well sin would have affected all negatively afterwards. But whether is born a sinner or simply unable to not become one is a different matter.
@@metapolitikgedanken612 I have corrected that citation. Thank you for catching my mistake. Regarding the rest of your post, what conclusion(s) are you urging, vis-à-vis infant deaths?
2 Sam 12 Verse 23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast?.... And pray; it is to no purpose, no end can be thought to be answered by it: can I bring him back again? from the state of the dead, bring him to life by fasting, and praying, and weeping; that is not to e expected: I shall go to him; to the state of the dead, to the grave, where his body was, or would be; to heaven and eternal happiness, where his soul was, as he comfortably hoped and believed: from whence it appears, that the Old Testament saints did not suppose an annihilation at death; but believed the immortality of the soul, a future state after death of eternal life and bliss: but he shall not return to me; in the present mortal state, though at the resurrection they should meet again.
Never thought of it that way but as far as the reference to pastors getting someone into heaven , its like the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink .
The next question to ask here would be “what is right?” The premise is that babies won’t go to hell because that is not “right”. But who make the determination of what is right? I think the answer to that would be, The Lord determines what is right and not our finite feeble minds. So if The Lord decides to sent new borns or unborn to hell that is what would be “right”. That being said I think the underlining answer of babies don’t receive punishment or wrath would be correct.
You are DEAD wrong, one shouldn't come on here and give opinions, you should show it in the Bible......so here goes read Ecclesiastes ch 12 vs 7. This is the answer.
Learsi so are you saying God doesn’t determine what is right and man does? Sorry I am not sure of the meaning behind your Ecc reference. Are you pulling one random scripture verse out of the poetic wisdom literature to make a point on doctrine? Is the reason you capitalized DEAD because you were trying to make a pun? If you are LOL. If not please don’t take offense to that, I am trying to keep this conversation light :)
Learsi yeah again you probably shouldn’t base a strong opinion such as calling someone DEAD (in all caps) wrong based from a one off scripture in Ecc. There is so much metaphor and hyperbole in the poetic books.
@@michaeljordan6124 There are other scriptures that says the same. Do you disagree with the scripture? If you do, then you do have a problem with me, you have a problem with God.
I have the thought that God wouldn’t ask of something impossible from someone knowing they would never be able to deliver it. Infants, aborted, mentally ill (even psychopaths), are literally unable to see the world as it is. They cannot receive the Gospel, let alone reject it. I know God saves whoever He wants. He is justice. His right and wrong are different from our right and wrong. But He is also so much mercy. People tend to cling on the “everyone deserves hell” part and forget what God sacrificed to save His chosen. Jesus’ blood covering the sin of those unable to receive the Gospel due circumstances against their will makes more sense than God sending to hell people who never had a chance to grasp the reality of this world and be given the choice to embrace it or reject it.
This is not a difficult or controversial question at all. The idea a fetus has sinned while in the womb with absolutely no self awareness is utterly ridiculous. To say an infant can sin is like saying a seagull can sin. You cannot sin without an awareness of right and wrong. If you think the Bible makes that unclear, you're overthinking it. This isn't difficult. "Who told you that you were naked". Gen 3:11.
"No self awareness"? So the Holy Spirit lied when He said through Elizabeth as she prophesied that the child within her lept with joy at the sound of greeting from the mother of her Lord? (Luke 1) How can someone with no self awareness be aware of the presence of another fetus in another womb and express joy? Or even experience joy, for that matter if you think so lowly of fetal abilities. It is very clear from this passage that the abilities of fetuses are much greater than people assume them to be. John KNEW who Christ is and that He was near. And he was joyful at that knowledge. Do not equate spiritual recognition and knowledge with mental ability. Nobody is saved through mental ability. It is irrelevant. Stop thinking like a man and see what God says is true, whether it makes sense to your mind or not.
If you follow monotheism (only ONE God. Not trinity), repent for your sins, do more good deeds, prostrate before God (not Jesus; Jesus, may peace be upon him, is a prophet of God; He is not the son of God, as God neither begets nor is begotten, but Jesus is the messenger of God!)..and if you are kind to others and carry out your obligations as a believer, then you may be granted heaven. No one is simply "saved". Everyone of us will be judged for our actions and intentions. :) Children under the age of accountability (ie. puberty) do not know what's right or wrong, they are pure and innocent, and therefore will be granted the gardens of Heaven ^^ but the one who hath aborted the fetus has sinned.. And yes, we are born with sinful nature, but we do not inherit sins, nor is anyone accountable for someone else's sins. This is what Christ and thousands of prophets that came before him and prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him) who came after him, preached for! :>
@@StephanieSomer No, no awareness whatsoever. You have any kids? If you did, youd know that. Miracles are not normative. A snake spoke to Eve, that doesnt mean my dog understands Shakespeare. Babies are born with an inherited sin nature, but they DO NOT sin before they are aware. If you ACTUALLY believe there are aborted babies burning in hell because they consciously rejected Christ in utero, you have a very different view of the nature of reality, and of God.
@@AJTramberg You have totally misunderstood the Scriptural teaching on "sin". Sins, or individual acts of sin, have all already been judged and dealt with on the Cross. The New Testament teaches that. When Scripture speaks of "sin" it is speaking of the sinful nature. Nobody will be saved or unsaved depending on their acts of sinful behavior. The acts of sin are merely the fruit of the sinful nature. God does not accept or refuse anyone on the basis of behavior, but on the basis of what they ARE. As an simplistic analogy, God wants oranges in His house. We are apple trees and incapable of producing oranges, regardless of what help one gets. God hates apples. So He refuses apple trees. But we cannot produce anything else. To produce oranges, we must be changed into orange trees. The purpose of salvation is to make that conversion into orange trees. Since it is not behavior which determines our standing before God but our nature, whether or not a fetus has committed an act of sin is irrelevant, just as it is irrelevant for you and me. But, it is obvious once the child is born that it DOES have a sinful nature. Faith in Christ, and NOTHING ELSE, determines our destiny. And the same rule applies for each and every individual. The notion that many have is that faith requires intellect, which a fetus has not. That notion is wrong Scripturally as demonstrated by the passage in Luke which I've already quoted. You may choose to discount that by simply calling it a miracle and assume it applies to no one else. But you would be in opposition to what the Word actually says. As for my view of reality.. If a view of reality does not conform exactly and in every way as Scripture describes, it is erroneous. In other words, if I see in a way that makes God's Word not possible, I'm wrong and must adapt my thinking to His ways. Christ Himself said, "No man comes to the Father but by me.' If an aborted fetus is admitted to heaven simply because it didn't have the capacity to think and understand in the way you believe it must in order to accept Christ, then Christ lied. That cannot be. Therefore I am constricted to change my view of reality and accept that what Christ said is true, and true for all. He also said regarding accepting Him that, "No one can come to me unless the Father that sent me draws him." In both verses there is the phrase "no man". That phrase is completely and totally exclusive. There will not be a single individual in heaven that was not drawn to Christ by the Father. And there will not be a single individual in heaven that did not come through Christ. The ONLY path one may use to access Christ is faith. Having never committed an act of sin is irrelevant. Faith in Christ, and nothing else, gives us the transformation that is required to approach the Father in His house. Any other view than that is anti-Scriptural.
With all due respect to the speaker here who in most contexts I agree with, he in no way makes his case theologically. 'Will God do right?' is applied in such a way as to assume that it's right for God to save babies. He also states and I agree that all are born into sin and that means each and every baby. God drowned millions, perhaps even billions at the flood, thousands, perhaps 100 thousand or more were babies. God was NOT unjust in this. I agree with a pastor who answered someone who asked about God saving babies with a question, "Is this an Elect baby we're talking about?" Only the elect who's names were written in the Lamb's book of life written before the foundation of the world will get life. No one else. One might speculate that every baby that ever dies were predestined to have this happen to them and were elect with their names in the book of life, but that's also going well beyond what is written and we're told not to do this.. I think the right answer for the speaker to give would be 'I don't know'. This idea that God would not condemn a baby who's never had the chance to physically sin has no real biblical foundation. Paul is clear: Rom_3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Are any or all babies part of the elect due to their names being written in the book of life? I don't know. I believe this speaker has fallen victim as so many pastors and bible teachers have as to make this assertion in order the comfort those who've lost a young child, a baby, aborted a baby and later regretted it, or had a miscarriage. The teacher, pastor being asked wanting to provide comfort to the parent/s will fall victim to this and invent a theology in order the comfort parents who want to believe that the baby will be going to heaven.
The way you handled this with strong biblical foundation & principles shows me your theology is solid. How about this everyone on this earth's name is written in the Lambs book of life. We know there's only one sin that's unforgivable and that's "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" which takes place when the Spirit reveals to you who Jesus Christ is (through the Gospel) and you reject all the Spirit revealed to you about Christ Infants never had the chance nor mental capacity to know how to make that decision, therefore all children belong to the Lord up until the age of accountability. Until the point that the child reaches age of accountability for decision making and commits Blasphemy of the spirit by rejecting Christ, his / her name is blotted from the book of life. Otherwise all Infants belong to the Lord as David understood that he & his child can have a glorious reunion.
I have always been leery of taking the world of David as trustworthy. Like many of his actions not all of them have been exactly what God would have supported..... His statement that he and his son would be untied apon his death, is that something he got directly from God or was it simply his hope or belief? Pointing to his words as confirmation of fact I would say is dubious at best....Keep in mind that despite this observation I am not saying that he is wrong on this subject.
I don’t disagree with much of what you said. However I do think that just as He predestined some of us to come to the saving knowledge of Him, He likewise predestined some (not all) of the babies who perish before they are born or even children born but die before they are old enough to understand things of the gospel. Unfortunately God is still just and good to do as he pleases. I think when it says He chose us are before the creation of the world- it meant He chose all that he had predestined (which would include some mentally handicapped individuals, some children taken before they understood spiritual things, some aborted babies, and some adults who are able to spiritually understand their sin. In other words predestination is God choice - it is never an “all encompassing for all humanity that passes away in an innocent state”. God’s election is for some, not all humanity). I still think this shows his goodness and mercy, though! Many will be saved who perished in an innocent state. Otherwise how could we as Christians ever prove that abortion is biblically wrong because if ultimately abortion guaranteed a child’s position into heaven then would it not be morally, ultimately good to know that they are guaranteed into the kingdom? Obviously abortion is absolutely wrong- so I would argue that there is an eternal reason why it is so devastating to human beings. We have to remember that God is still soo good in that he chose some of us in his grace and mercy. Otherwise None of humanity, past present or future, would be with Him eternally.
Ezekiel 18:20 The Son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the Father bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. SIN CAN NOT BE TRANSFERRED !! Adam's sin is not transferred to his posterity. The result of his sin which is physical death and corruption we bear the consequence not the condemnation of the law giver. Calvinism confusion not be misled.
I have been terrified of this question for so long, having two little ones. Thank you.
+Bonnie Willoughby You're welcome!
Bonnie Willoughby rest easy. They’re innocent and heaven bound 100%. Anyone that thinks children go to hell are sick in the head
@Southern Seminary Actually there is scripture to back up this question >>>
John 15:24 (Jesus spoke about nonbelieving jews))>>
''If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.''
As we know, the infants would have had no chance of seeing nor understanding any miracles or any teachings, even if it was taught to them ..because they have no understanding...therefore they are not guilty of sin and will be saved
I think this also shows the concept of an age of accountability has a basis in Scripture.
“For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings. - Isa 7:16
Children will go to hell if they are of the age of accountability to is around the age of 5-6. But children under that age have most likely not sinned and will not go to hell
Few days ago i lost my 3 days old brother it feels empty i can't even imagine what my mother is feeling right now i can't see her suffering and i miss my baby brother so much i want him back but i know he's in the better place ❤
Hey, how are y’all holding up? Very sorry to hear about this terrible tragedy.
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Inari, I am so sorry for your loss. Please know that all is well for your little brother, he is with Jesus Christ and is safe and happy, there is nothing to fear, these guys have it wrong, all little children are protected by the atonement of Jesus Christ.
@@johnnyonthespot1665 Some protection you have.
Matthew 19:14 "Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” According to Jesus' word, your little brother is saved.
You absolutely laid the right foundation w Abrahams quote. That confidence is an adequate place of rest for God's people (regarding this), and the necessary beginning to all further inquiry in this and many other matters. Thank you!
Suffer the children to come unto me for such is the kingdom of heaven
how about you dress modestly. do not cause a man to sin. lets start there..
@@robertgivens9479 people make their own fucking choices, i bet your one of those sad old fucks who go "she was asking for it because of what she was wearing" fuck off, god hates you
@@InitialPC you asked for it.. be careful what you wish for . miserable .. if you don't like what to read. then close your eyes hater.. you probably don't even know anything about God.
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Why are people insulting one of each other , no I know why God regretted making humans in the first I wouldn't blame him I would too 😑
@@tylersoto7465 the bible says to rebuke them that stand against truth and also to be angry and sin not .. open rebuke is better than hidden love proverbs 24 ?
God gave me comfort to this 24 years ago after my first miscarriage. I've had 7 or 8. But with my first one after she died. I dreamed she was about 5 in heaven with my deceased grandparents. They never spoke but looked at me waved and walked away. But then she stopped turned to me and waved again. Never thinking that God was preparing me for the other miscarriages. Yes they did hurt but also gave me peace to know they are in heaven with our Father-God. I always joke saying I might not have any on earth yet but I got a whole basketball team in heaven waiting on me.
If anything, I find so much mercy in this. Knowing that possibly, these children can turn from God when they are indeed in a capacity to reject him, God takes them before it happens and they find themselves only by His grace, with Him ❤️
Gimme a break.
Listen to what you are saying. As a result of believing in these god myths, you have actually convinced yourself to think that babies dying is a good thing. Can you see how distorted your worldview has become because of this nonsense?
It is true Lesley God's mercy is abundant
LOL.. wouldn't it be unfair why we are born not the same as infants who died who can be saved right away without so many unnecessary things? I wish I died as infant.
@@terminusadquem6981 So you wished for death as an infant, meaning you think nothing of your life, which you presumably believe was given to you by your god. How completely upside down. You insult your god by being so dismissive of what he gave you. Strange, as you now want to be with him in this mythical heaven place. Contradictory at best.
My grandson died in the womb the day before he was born, three months ago today, and I know for a fact that he is safe in Heaven with God. Thankyou Jesus
I'm sorry for your loss.. Your grandson is in heaven. He was too good for this world and God called him back. I know it hurts but be happy for him he is in Paradise with the LORD !!
@@Zedo-Tampa Thankyou for your kind words. I know I will see him again, and his oldest brother (my first grandchild who died in a traffic accident almost 2 years ago, 10 days after his 21st birthday). We've been through/going through a lot of grief . But God has been my strength. God bless!
Thinking that humans who die are living somewhere safe is a comforting thought.
However, the bible gives us the knowledeg to really comfort grieving humans.
The dead don't go anywhere when they die. They just cease to exist except in God's memory. Jesus called it a sleep (John 1:11,14)
Psalm 146:3, 4 Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he RETURNS TO THE GROUND; On that very day his THOUGHTS PERISH.
Under God's government these dead will be resurrected and reunited with family and friends on this earth (Acts 24:15).
Humans will then get an opportunity to live on earth without the need to die again as was God's original purpose in creating humans (John 3:16).
Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
Jesus reiterated this at Matthew 5:5.
@@tongakhan230 So where do you fit Heaven and hell into this? I know my grandsons are with Jesus, He has told me so.
@@toffeetigerkimba : if God tells us that life doesn't continue when a person dies, we must believe it.
There is however, someone who wants people to believe it does.
Genesis 3:4 At this the serpent (Satan) said to the woman: “You certainly will not die.
Humans died and went back to the dust as God had decreed.
Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to DUST YOU WILL RETURN.”
Satan has been trying to make God out to be a liar. That is why he uses all sorts of guile to make people believe in something opposite to what God says.
Deuteronomy 18:9 “When you have entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to imitate the DETESTABLE PRACTISES of those nations. 10 There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, 11 anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who INQUIRES OF THE DEAD. 12 For whoever does these things is DETESTABLE to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you.
If we hear voices of supposedly our dead loved ones telling us things, be comforted it isn't the real person who died. Someone unseen is mimicking the voices.
All dead ones should be resurrected back onto this earth when God's Government takes over soon.
If we are around we could welcome our family and friends.
Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
This man is mistaken. We are not born sinners we are born with a sinful nature. The consequence of Adam and Eve's sin was death and this is what we inherited along with the sinful nature thus we all die, not that we are automatically born sinners. We do not inherit the sins of our parents, we are only accountable for our own sins.
It is written: The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.
Ezekiel 18:20 NIV
EXACTLY right.
GOD BLESS YOU MY BROTHER IN THE LORD.
I could be wrong here but isnt death a result of sin? we inherit the sin of Adam not our birth parents. Romans 5: "12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come." i think we can be reassured that our kids/toddlers will make it to heaven by the Grace of God through a gifted faith. John jumped at the voice of Mary. David said he would see his child in the afterlife. God is just so he will do the right thing and He is good to us as he always has been. He will look out for us and our families- as Promised and Always. Do we believe this? If we say kids get to heaven because of age then we will see millions of people in heaven who needed no faith, no trust in Christ, no Grace and would only say i died young. God's grace and mercy will save our kids but by grace through faith in Him who died to save us all.
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I CONCUR. I TRULY SERVE A RIGHTEOUS, LOVING AND MERCIFUL FULL OF JUSTICE GOD. ASSUREDLY, I SAY TO YOU, UNLESS YOU ARE CONVERTED AND BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN, YOU WILL BY NO MEANS ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. THEREFORE WHOEVER HUMBLES HIMSELF AS THIS LITTLE CHILD IS THE GREATEST IN THE KINGDOM GOD BLESS OF HEAVEN. WHOEVER RECEIVES ONE LITTLE CHILD LIKE THIS IN MY NAME RECEIVES ME. MATTHEW 18: 3-5. MY GOD ALSO DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE "WHOLE" ENTIRE WORLD 1 JOHN 2:2. UNFORTUNATELY MANY PEOPLE WILL REJECT GOD'S FREE WILL OF SALVATION MATTHEW 7 " 13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it" "A FEW PEOPLE WILL FIND IT." WE CALL THAT FREE WILL., IT SURE DOESN'T SAY, GOD HAS SELECTED A FEW PEOPLE FOR SALVATION AND DAMMED THE REST OF THEM,
EZEKIEL 18:30-32 “30 “THEREFORE, YOU ISRAELITES, I WILL JUDGE EACH OF YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN WAYS, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD. REPENT! TURN AWAY FROM ALL YOUR OFFENSES; THEN SIN WILL NOT BE YOUR DOWNFALL. 31 RID YOURSELVES OF ALL THE OFFENSES YOU HAVE COMMITTED, AND GET A NEW HEART AND A NEW SPIRIT. WHY WILL YOU DIE, PEOPLE OF ISRAEL? 32 FOR I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF ANYONE, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD. REPENT AND LIVE!”
MY GOD DOESN'T TAKE PLEASURE IN THE DEAD OF THE WICKED. GOD BLESS YOU,
Really? So if a child is born of the seed of Satan, who's to say a newborn is listening to God? The seeds of Satan begin as soon as possible, even in the womb.
Thank you for having this part of ministry where questions are answered. Its been a ministry that is sorely needed. I even heard of a pastor that after his surmons had a Q&A EXCELLANT ! I want to stand up in church and say "What about....." and wanting to further understand. Once again. Thank You and please don't stop.
Matthew 18:14
“In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.”
Thank you
Falcon I have hope everyone will be saved. Only God knows who is in Heaven and Hell.
Falcon but I can have hope, can't I, hope that all will be saved and hope for the resurrection of all? It is the choice of the individual soul whether or not they want to go to Heaven or Hell, and their actions on earth can reflect what they are leaning towards. I don't know how a babies' soul develops, or how much of a choice they have when they die, but just about every baby that hasn't been exposed to evil will probably choose the good. Their innocence reflects that.
Falcon we don't know of the ones who have and who haven't been saved. The hope I am talking about is the hope of the salvation of humanity. Some will (hopefully) be saved, some might not. We don't know. Only God knows that. The Scriptures might say not all will be saved, but we don't know who will and who wouldn't.
Falcon I can like my own things. If I wrote something and I think it's good, there's no harm in liking it. Also the Bible also teaches to have hope. Faith, HOPE, and love. :)
Great Answers. I had never heard the theological argument from general revelation before. I have always found Jesus statement "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these" as strong support for little children going to heaven. That was Matthew 19:14 and we see that statement in all of the synoptic gospels.
true, i think the argument from general revelation is also profoundly true, because it answers a related question with regard to mentally retarded children; what about mentally retarded children who never grow conscieous of their existence, and so cannot perceive and thus reject the natural revelation of GOD? Very profoundly biblically true
I'm looking forward to being meeting my brother Danny who died at Child birth when I get up to Heaven. Have a great weekend everyone
Repent and put your faith in Jesus! He loves you so much He died for you. Then He rose again, defeating death! Jesus is Lord!
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Odin is better
@@badideass why?
@@joeminor15 because he saved us from the ice giants. better story than the bible.
2 Samuel 12: 16-23
this is the account where the child of king David dies and at the end of this verse,
David says " I shall go to him, but he will not return to me." ...
we know that David is on heaven with God, and so is his child
A lot of thanks to Jesus for this, really a lot of thanks to Him, needed it to send it to a person, hope she comes back to Christ, Amen !
i lost my baby july 23, and he was born july 21 i was c-section delivery at that time.That time he was detached to me i was not able to see him. i only heard him cry and the nurse says that he is getting black when he cried so while i was in my bed all i could do is called his name and soothe him not to cry from a far and i ask the nurse if my son have a congenital disease, she only says that need to check him and we need to talk to a doctor. To make it short my husband told that our baby loss his heartbeat, and i cried and beg for him that i want to see my child, i didnt have a chance to see him to feel him. and then when i am in nicu. i saw him lying there naked only wearing diapers with a tube in his mouth. when i talk to him calling baby and his name he open his eyes😢 that is the moment that i will never forget. And then the time they revive him for the third time i was the one who says thats enough just give me my baby i want to hold him now and then he died in my arms.
iloveyou so much i will treasure our last moment, just promise me that you will come back again in any form. I and you father will wait for you.
They enter God's heavenly kingdom and are with our Lord Jesus Christ.
We call this common grace.
Amen.
@Brad Roberts
YOU SURE MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THE GOD OF THE HOLY BIBLE HAS A SEVERE DISSOCIATIVE DISORDER. IF THE DEAD DON’T IMMEDIATELY GO TO HEAVEN HOW DID MOSES AND ELIJAH APPEAR AT THE TRANSFIGURATION SPEAKING TO JESUS. AREN'T THEY WAITING FOR THE RESURRECTION? WHEN A CHRISTIAN DIES HE/SHE IMMEDIATELY PASSES INTO THE CONSCIOUS PRESENCE OF CHRIST IN HEAVEN, BUT WHEN THE DAY OF RESURRECTION ARRIVES, HE/SHE WILL BE GIVEN A NEW AND GLORIFIED BODY IN WHICH ALL OF GOD’S PEOPLE WILL LIVE AND FLOURISH ON THE NEW EARTH ( REVELATION 21-22). GOD BLESS YOU.
Do you have scripture to back that up?
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WHY
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Why not?
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I lost my twin babies a month ago and am deeply hurt
I lost also my 6 mos old son while pregnant...we were so much hurt.. but the other side is I know God loves him so much in heaven...
A couple of incorrect points, Adams sin is not imputed into the sons and daughters. Multiple verses in Ezekiel state this, the son does not inherit the sin nor the guilt of the Father, and this includes Adam. James 1:14-15 Ezekiel 18:14-21
Amen, well said. But what about adults or teens who have mental issues from birth, my daughter is 14 but due to birth complications she still thinks, reasons and behave like a 2 or 3 year old.
They are guiltless like any children. They are here to be protected as children aswel.
What a cruel thing to say to those that have lost very young children.
That their child wasn't innocent, was a sinner.
It's terribly sad, the thought that people who've recently lost a child - get told nonsense like this, and how it must affect them at such a difficult time.
Christ’s grace covers all those who sin unknowingly. Children and even non-Christians who have never heard the word.
@@rachelczumaya2806 could you cite a Bible reference that supports that, please? Thanks.
On the cross, Jesus said “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” I feel he meant that for everyone. His grace covers all, but some will choose to reject it. Those that choose to reject Christ’s grace (like Cain-loved Satan more than God) will not be forced to accept it. They choose damnation because they are more “comfortable” there. He gave us all the path to chose, but he’s not going to force the human mind. All children are alive in Christ. For more on this topic, you may check out www.comeUntoChrist.org if you feel so led. “Suffer the little children to come unto me for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.”
Also, this reference here: 1 Peter 3:18-22
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.”
He suffered for the just and the unjust alike. He causeth his rain-a symbol of His grace-to fall on the just and the unjust. Those that knew not the gospel will have it preached to them in spirit and will be given the choice to accept or reject it. Some will reject, and some will move into the paradise of God where they await their resurrection, just as the man on the cross who asked Jesus to remember him. I can’t believe that some Christians think that God would damn to hell someone who he caused to grow up Bhuddist or Muslim or some other non-Christian religion. That doesn’t sound like a just God to me. It doesn’t sound like a merciful one either. But I know God is just AND merciful and that he suffered for all mankind who would repent and confess His name. He has a plan prepared for all His creations, for he has prepared a mansion for us all. He said he did.
The catholics told mothers who lost infants before being christened that they were in hell. Filthy bloody religion why anyone bothers with it is beyond me ..........the words in the Bible were written by evil men to frighten an control people .......what a shame people are still frightened in the 21st century.. Rid yourselves of this religious filth, all religion is bullshit.
This is a hard question. If it's the case that unborn children and infants go to heaven that just gives rise to two other questions: when is the cut off point i.e when are infants old enough to understand special revelation and so not be covered by this direct entry into heaven? Secondly, does this apply to mentally handicapped people as well? It is also difficult to think about those who have never heard the gospel because although they have God's general revelation without His special revelation they also are not able to believe but I think it's risky to start saying that some people can get into heaven without believing in Jesus by a backdoor method.
What about...
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Psalms 58:3 KJV
Those type of verses Christians want to stay away from. They are confronted with a disturbing truth when it pertains to this particular topic. The bible blocks them in with uncomfortable truths.
@jlhaws115 hey thanks for responding to the comment. But doesn't the verse say who He (The Holy Ghost) is referring to? " the wicked go astray as soon as they be Born" as soon as you're born you are a what? A baby. The gentleman in the video said " we can trust God to do what's right" then we have to trust God to do what's right even when we think He's wrong. I'm not saying I want babies to go to hell. Our that I support abortion. But we don't know what a baby could grow up to be. Only God knows. The Bible says "his ways are higher than our ways his thoughts are higher than our thoughts" remember God ordered Israelites to kill whole nations women and children. Why? Because He knew what they would do when they grew up.
The Bible is referencing that as a human you are born into a sinful and wicked nature. If u wanted to disregard the true meaning of that scripture, then common sense also tells us that babies are not born with the ability to talk immediately, therefore they surely wouldn't be able to lie. All babies and children go to heaven until they are at the age of accountability. There is no set age for that, instead the ability to have a conscience to know right from wrong. And yes we as Christians do have to trust that our God is always right!
Its referring to the path that wicked adults take in life.
@@dezdaking This guy shouldn't be doing videos, he has no idea what the Bible says. The answer is in the Bible, if you are interested in the truth, ask and I will tell you where to find it.
Don't agree with everything. But what a God we serve. He is indeed the God of love. And thank you my brother for relating the love of God the best way you could. Blessings
Great arguments. Thank you! I would also add that it shows that God's gift of eternal life truly has nothing to do with me, as God saves those who die before they can understand acceptance. I take away from God when I claim to have any part in my salvation.
Janna Medina ...for it is God who works in you to will & do according to His good pleasure. Isn't the work of God inside all we do that is good, the most intimate phenomenon? I think so...
We have choice, that is our part in salvation..
I was married but am now single and have been so for over 20 years. I have no desire at all to be married again. Is it ok to be a Christian and single? I've not heard too many sermons on singleness and all of what comes with that.
I always go to the account of when David's baby son died. David said that he would go to him later (when he died).
The way I look at it is that God loves my babies more than I Love them. He will do the right thing ❤️🙏🏻
If the right thing involves your God killing children then your God is a piece of shit.
@@badideass Be gone demon in Jesus name.
@@rcarr6893 little did that do you're going to have to try harder than that... Lol
How is this even a question up for debate?!! An infant is completely innocent in the truest sense of the term.
Actually there is scripture to back up this question >>> John 15:24 (Jesus said) ''If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.''
As we know, the infants would have had no chance of seeing nor understanding Jesus miracles and teachings, therefore they are not guilty and will be saved
Liana becca That is a horrible interpretation. I agree that babies go to heaven, but that text is not a support for that.
Therefore ALL who never saw Jesus are saved?! Praise what?
@@reformedwretch2071 Not saying I disagree with you, my first reaction was the same as you but then I read again and paused. Could you explain why, centering on this part " they would not be guilty of sin"
Thanks.
Dant e: John 15:24 is in relation to the Jews, not humans in general.
Jesus’ miraculous works, in effect, convict those who hate him, as he notes: “If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have both seen and hated me as well as my Father.” Thus, as Jesus says, the scripture is fulfilled: “They hated me without cause.”
When people die, all their sins are erased, (Roman 6:23).
They lie in the dust awaiting a resurrection under God's government.
Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
I trust this clears things up.
@@tongakhan230 To be honest now that I look back at the comments I can't honestly say what I was thinking at the time to pose the question I did, I don't think it was in relation to what you've just tried to explain.
At a guess I'd say I was wondering why the notion that babies are innocent of conscious sin isn't supported by the same scripture even if it isn't directly related to it in the full context.
I can agree with this Pastor that children were born sinners but they have no idea to extend their thoughts about the Word of God.
Therefore Lord God will extend mercy upon them as compared to a grown up man.
Thanks and
God bless you, mr Pastor.
Amen.
Long story short: in the year 2000’, I had my first born son and 8 days later after birth he passed away from a medical condition. Back in those days I was a young teenager lost in the World,deep in the streets Hustling, and many more other things that blinded my walk with God.
Fast forward eighteen year’s later(2018’), I am a Christian now Saved by Grace, and humbly gave my life to Christ wholeheartedly in 2012’. So I have this work injury and I get a major back surgery on my spine in 2018’. They put me to sleep for the 5 hour long surgery and here’s what happened next….
I remember first waking up in the Spirit.. I couldn’t see my body, my vision was similar to a GoPro vision (P.O.V.) while looking out. The very first thing I seen from my perspective was tall glass buildings like mansions that had a bright sparkle like diamonds 💎 to it. It seemed like the buildings never ended in height. I was in this street looking around and saw everyone walking around in bright white robes of some sort. The streets where Gold but a different type of gold from earth… from a distance the gold seem to vanish and looked like wet liquid gold on the road/streets. Something stunning like a mirage. As my vision started to move away from the City I woke up to, I noticed there was around 6 kids riding bikes following me, and one particular kid that was closer to me then the rest of the other five kids. As I got out the city, everything around me reminded me of a beautiful paradise of never ending hills,trees,and bright green grass. As I came to the end of where I stopped, the kid closest to me was in my face now about 2 feet away and I could see his face,skin color,height,and body form. It was my first born son who passed away in 2000’, he was a mix of my two sons that came after him and that are alive today. He was around 10 years old now,and had a never ending smile I will never forget. He never talked to me, but I felt his energy and his mind maybe through telepathy tell me he would see me again one day and to never worry for him again. I woke up post surgery right after and remember telling the nurse where is Eric at? The last thing I seen was his smile in Heaven that resembled my brothers smile so I woke up to remembering that and the nurses didn’t know what I had just been through.
I believe God gave me a vision into my sons life in Heaven, this is what the Bible states that can happen in the Believers life. I was in tears for two weeks straight when this happened, I’m thankful for God and if you have lost a child, you will be reunited again when God calls you home.♥️
In 2 Samuel 12:23, after King David’s infant son had died, he says, “But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.” I conclude after reading this verse that babies and infants go to heaven. We do enter the world as sinners, and we all deserve judgement, but I think this is where the age of accountability comes into this. James 4:17 says that “So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.” Babies and infants, including what liberals call “fetus” which is really just a baby, are not consciously aware of what is right and wrong because they have not received the knowledge of Good and Evil. Also, Jesus says in Matthew 19:14, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." The kingdom belongs to little children, and he goes in further saying we need to become like little children, gaining the humility they have in order to stand before God with confidence. Hope that helped.
Thank you for this message I really need it this time..I lost my son last feb 9 hope I can accept right now
You are correct. In face, Christ’s sacrifice was meant to cover all who sin unknowingly, Christian or not Christian. A person never hearing the gospel is not damned to hell, especially if they would have accepted the truth had it been preached to them. “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.”
My two year old baby girl drowned in a pool at the babysitters house that was just chemically treated. She was in there for 30 minutes before they found her. So not only did she ingest the poisonous chemicals, she drowned. My two year old SUFFERED horribly!!!! Why would God allow that to happen? Why would an all knowing God even bring her into the world KNOWING she’d have to endure that???? And then create the domino effect of pain throughout me and my whole family??? Bring her into the world just to take her out two years later KNOWING that would happen?!! I need answers.
First, my condolences and Lord have mercy on your great pain.
I'll pray for you to evercome such a tragedy.
Be sure God is the fountain of justice and your child is in his Kingdom were suffering doesn't exist.
Second, God gave us children to take care of them, even though tragedy may happen, because this world is not paradise, but the result of human rebelion against God in Genesis (Adam & Eve).
Your child was to be protected to avoid harm by accident. Certainly the babysitter has the guilt on this tragedy and God gives us free will to act properly by choice, so let's not blame God on humans faults.
Trust in God and His mercy, who will hear your prayers along with your heavenly child. ☦️
Alright I'm up to 4 minutes 50 and so what you're telling me is I was better off dying as an infant then possibly living a life of sin is this correct? Because it sure sounds like it
the truth is? nobody knows. I asked this during my conversion process, even asked about animals and if they get a chance of a new life in a better place. Nobody knows, they might go on about it like they think they know....but they dont know.
Calvinist crap. Frightening that anyone still takes that deformed theology seriously today. Gnosticism lives on, alas.
@@ACTSVERSE I wonder how many get driven crazy because of all this. Ending up with deeply unhappy lives.
@@robraver Calvinism: election and reprobation are unconditional. Unless you're a child of an elect parent. Or you just die before some unspecified age. Then you are guaranteed to be elect. But other than that, it's unconditional.
@@ACTSVERSE but can a person willingly walk away? I mean knowing full well the consequences? there are warnings about that.
To say that infants are not innocent is just nonsense of the highest order. What are they guilty of?
Of cuteness, duh... 🧐
I have a beautiful happy child to meet in heaven! Hallelujah
The holy innocents, as my Church calls them, are invincibly ignorant of any and all sins, and as such may go straight to Heaven.
If that would be the case, then heaven will be filled with children. Actually not all children will go to heaven.
Psalm 37:28: "For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved forever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off."
1 Corinthians 7:14: "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."
So Paul is saying that if someone from the family is a believer all the family is sanctified through that person, but that doesn't mean that they will be saved. God will give them the opportunity to be saved. Now the little ones who don't know right from wrong they will be saved based on the parent's faith.
If both parents are unfaithful, then the children will not be saved, it doesn't matter if that child is innocent. That's why in the Old Testament God said to kill everyone from Canaan.
Once again, this point is unlikely to remove every concern from the mind of the modern reader, but we must add another dimension to this issue. If we ask whether it would be better for God to allow children to grow up in such a perverted culture and religious system or to bring their young lives to an end and gather them to Himself, we begin to see that what happened to them may not have been the worst option. Even as we consider this, however, we are on dangerous ground. Only God can make this kind of judgement, since He alone possesses all knowledge and wisdom. Our finite minds are incapable of understanding every dimension of such a dilemma. Like Paul, we must acknowledge that God’s judgements are unsearchable and His paths are “beyond tracing out” (Romans 11:33).
For George
Once again, this point is unlikely to remove every concern from the mind of the modern reader, but we must add another dimension to this issue. If we ask whether it would be better for God to allow children to grow up in such a perverted culture and religious system or to bring their young lives to an end and gather them to Himself, we begin to see that what happened to them may not have been the worst option. Even as we consider this, however, we are on dangerous ground. Only God can make this kind of judgement, since He alone possesses all knowledge and wisdom. Our finite minds are incapable of understanding every dimension of such a dilemma. Like Paul, we must acknowledge that God’s judgements are unsearchable and His paths are “beyond tracing out” (Romans 11:33).
For George
Once again, this point is unlikely to remove every concern from the mind of the modern reader, but we must add another dimension to this issue. If we ask whether it would be better for God to allow children to grow up in such a perverted culture and religious system or to bring their young lives to an end and gather them to Himself, we begin to see that what happened to them may not have been the worst option. Even as we consider this, however, we are on dangerous ground. Only God can make this kind of judgement, since He alone possesses all knowledge and wisdom. Our finite minds are incapable of understanding every dimension of such a dilemma. Like Paul, we must acknowledge that God’s judgements are unsearchable and His paths are “beyond tracing out” (Romans 11:33).
@@gabrielacristea1648 Esti romanca? Anyway, we truly don't know the mind of God, His ways are not our ways, but for God to take all the children to heaven, that would be unjust for them because God would not have given them a chance to choose if they want to or not, I'm thinking of what that child chooses when he grows up.
God knows what that child grows up to be, a good person or not because He knows the future. So I don't believe that all the children will be saved. Besides, think of all the millions of children that are killed every year through abortion, are they all going to be saved? The answer to that question will be answered when Lord Jesus comes to take us home at His second coming.
Now, why do I say that not all children are going to be saved? We have examples of christian families, both parents obedient to God and their child chooses a different path that leads to death, even though he was raised in Church basically.
On the other hand, we have families that have nothing to do with God, but their child chooses the right path and will be saved. God is just in who He chooses. I'm sure that many people from church that we look up to will not be saved and many that we thought that they had no chance of getting to heaven will be there because God judges the secret man of the heart not by appearance like men do. Doamne ajuta, God bless.
I lost 2 babies..😔
So, looking at it strictly logically (I’d like to believe that infants, who haven’t had the opportunity to receive the word of God, will go to heaven, but playing devils advocate): The example with David that you’ve pointed out is merely a hope that David had. God didn’t tell him that he’d be reunited with the infant, he simply hopes that it’d be the case, or rather, he believes it. Furthermore, from the case of simply saying “God will do the right thing”: God will do what is right by God’s standards, which apart from the direct instructions for how to live, are beyond our comprehension. Anyone who claims to know exactly what God sees as right is foolish, as we have no way of seeing through His eyes. While we can infer based on history what He decides is right, we do not definitively know what God’s judgement is like. We are, after all, imperfect, so hence our view of justice that isn’t clearly outlined by God, is imperfect. And, logically following the statement that man inherits the sin of man at conception, infants thus bare the same sin, and are not absolved without first accepting Jesus into their heart. While we might see that, an infant or fetus that hasn’t had the opportunity to do so is unfair, well, I’m certain there are other things we’ve as humans perceived as unfair, but just in the eyes of the Lord, which can never be wrong. I certainly am willing to listen though, for more concrete theological arguments, beyond just hoping that our view of justice aligns with God’s. And I’m not claiming to see things through the eyes of God either, I’m merely pointing out what, from my perspective, is a flawed argument.
The Holy Spirit lives! And lives in us ! If Jesus is in you ! Jesus referred to us as having to be like children ! Of course they live with him ! And he in them ! 😇
I know Catholics believe babies are born with 'original sin', and insist on instant baptism. However, the Bible teaches that one must be cognizant of one's sinful nature in order to repent - and then be baptized. Infants do not have this awareness. (,So I presume they are protected until they have a discerning conscience??? I liked your answer that they are protected by grace, until.....)
I like! Keep it up!
There are at least 2 specific scriptures that are clearly avoided in this fairly consistent Baptist argument re: age of accountability:
1. Palm 139:16 "... in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them."
2. Eph. 1:4 is one of the fundamental scriptures in the Reformed Theological view concerning election. "...even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him."
So, before the foundation of the world, He chose SOME for eternal life in Christ and others He did NOT. Logically, those who were NOT chosen to eternal life (before the earth's foundation) would be sinners already "condemned."
What is the difference between single and double predestination? Can explain the biblical and pastoral concerns that arise with each? Thanks!
+John Baker Thanks for your question! We'll try to address it in a future episode of Honest Answers. In the meantime, thanks for following the series.
Single predestination refers to unconditional election. Double predestination refers to election and reprobation. Reprobation is the doctrine that God predestined the damned to hell. The damned are punished for sin, but that alone is not why God predestined them to hell inasmuch as everyone is (or will be or would be) a sinner. That, in a nutshell, is what the terms mean. Freewill theists object to both. I don't think double predestination raises any pastoral concerns. But it's best to address one question at a time.
John Baker I think, though of course some will disagree!, that it makes little sense to talk about single predestination. Single predestination would say that God predestined (chose before the world began) certain idividuals to life (salvation in Christ) but did not predestine others to death (condemnation/damnation.) I would argue that in choosing not to appoint them unto life and subsequently regenerating them, God chooses to appoint them unto death. This does not mean that He condemns them arbitrarily, but perfectly justly for their sin, nor that He keeps them from believing, but leaves them to their unbelief. I affirm double predestination, but also believe it is proper and consistent to say that God is entirely responsible for man's salvation, but man is entirely responsible (morally) for his own condemnation. God held none back.
See, for a very few references, Matthew 11:25-30 and Romans 9, especially 6-23. Consider also God's relationship with Israel whereby He chose one people to reveal Himself to, while largely leaving all other people's/nations to themselves and only general revelation (Romans 1:19-23.) I don't mean that His choice of Israel is identical to predestination because not all Israel believed, but it shows plainly that God chooses freely and graciously to interact with different people in different ways, showing more grace to some while leaving others to themselves (that is, to their own darkened hearts which reject the testimony of creation ala Romans 1.)
Some pastoral concerns are that many object to these doctrines as perhaps hard hearted, unfair, "not what my God would do," or contrary to their understanding of certain other scriptures. It is essential to declare this with clarity as plain Biblical teaching, showing God's perfect justice and the perfect and necessary freedom of His grace. God is not required by justice to be gracious, nor to show equal measures of grace - that's the very nature of grace. This ought to be a doctrine of comfort to believers, never of discouragement to unbelievers. Back to Matthew 11, Jesus said, "ALL who are weary and heavy laden..." and was not disingenuous in so saying. any view of predestination that limits the extent of the free offer of the gospel below the scriptural offer is deformed. Keep in mind also God elsewhere said He takes no delight in the death of the wicked. "Willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known..." NOT "delighting in the death of the wicked and the damnation of sinners"
I hope this was helpful, and that you find it to say no more than scripture will support. You can readily find much fuller treatments of the matter, though, of course, views differ.
Chris Brenan Re: your 1st parag., 2nd sentence.
All are dead in trespasses and sins as per Rom. 5:12 ; Eph. 2:1-3. We are all condemned into that spiritually dead state through unbelief as per John 3:18. We don't have to be predestined to condemnation -- it's the universal condition of inheriting Adam's corruption that leaves us spiritually disconnected from God, unable to know Him or even seek Him as per Psalm 14:1-3 ; 53:1-3 ; Rom. 3:10-18. There is a Divine predestination to save some through the mercy of God as per Rom. 9:15,16,18 but human condemnation is a result of God's promise to execute Divine justice for disobedience as per Gen. 2:17. That justice, resulting in death, fell on both Adam and Eve through their transgression. It would seem to be a stretch to affirm that God's justice bringing condemnation emanates from a predestinating decree rather than just His foreknowledge.
John Baker: No one is predestined. Everyone has a free choice. Else, these scriptures make no sense.
Deuteronomy 30:19 I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must CHOOSE life so that you may live, you and your descendants, 20 by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice, and by sticking to him, for he is your life and by him you will endure a long time in the land that Jehovah swore to give to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”
Matthew 18:2 So calling a young child to him, he stood him in their midst 3 and said: “Truly I say to you, unless you turn around and become as young children, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens.
Acts 3:19 “Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get your sins blotted out, so that seasons of refreshing may come from Jehovah himself
In Ezekiel 18:20 it says "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." If we are no longer punished for our father's sins, why would a baby be considered sinful due to Adam and Eve? From what I understand, sin is a verb, it's actions we do that are against God. In Mark 7:20-23 it says "And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.” Since a baby never had the opportunity to commit these sins I don't see why they would be considered sinful.
1:06: All of us enter the world as sinners.. condemned. So, a one-day old kid is a sinner. How can any thinking person buy this crap?
So... Did the children put to death during Joshua's conquest go to Heaven? You have some major problems with your theological reconciliations here in this video. Maybe Sheol, where they have the opportunity to see and believe in Christ? Or, you think babies in the OT automatically bypassed Sheol? Makes no sense, especially when it was called Abraham's side and Abraham was there.
I think this question falls into the category of God (the only Judge) gets to decide. Scripture is not clear. Lots of very challenging philosophical questions come up. On the one hand David says that in sin did my mother conceive me. And the Bible says that in Adam all die....so there are reasons from those verses that they might not be innocent and automatically going to heaven. Then again the Bible says in Revelation that the dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.....its hard for a baby to have done much (other than original sin). At the same time, and this is where the questions get difficult; are we not then making abortion doctors heroes if we conclude that all unborn babies go to heaven.......I mean if most people go to hell (small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life and only a few find it), then abortion would then be more effective a means of saving people then the cross of Christ. And, if were predestined, like the Bible, seems to teach, for eternal life; then why would we ever get aborted.....why wouldn't we be protected by guardian angels until we come to faith in Christ.....the bottom line is God, who is the only Judge, will get to decide. Certainly not for me to make that call.
I think you're right… The salvation of children (which seems fairly obvious in Scripture to me) would make abortion more effective than the cross from your point of view. Not exactly a powerful view of the Almighty in my opinion. Moses 1:39 tells us exactly where God finds glory and it is through our salvation (our eternal life.) That's a lot of glory for God to lose with most people in hell! Answer can be found in First Timothy 4:10 "That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe." So God is going to save all people according to the Scripture but especially the believers. How does this work? In revelations we are painted with a word picture of a crucible just as was done many times in the Old Testament. The sins of the people and their torment will burn off and rise into the smoke, separated from them. It's no coincidence that crucibles in ancient times used sulfur to purify gold in a container of fire. If it is a literal lake of fire that we sit in for eternity and eternity (Aion does not mean eternity by the way, it means an age) why include the sulfur in this allegorical word picture? Is it because the pain of fire is an enough and it has to stink as well? This assertion is ridiculous. Sulfur was a component used in crucibles to purify gold. Every knee that bows and tongue that professes shall be saved and guess what everyone will do after the rapture? Every knee shall bow and tongue shall profess. If God's glory is the salvation of man and God will be made all and all (First Corinthians 15:28) Then he will have complete victory. This is why the cross is far more powerful than an abortion Dr.
Scripture is very clear, just stop listening to this guy, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Read Ecclesiastes chapter 12 vs 7, this tells you what happens to everyone at death.
@@jordanpease3329 Read Ecclesiastes chapter 12 vs 7. Please don't listen to the guy in this video, he's clueless.
@@learsi5168 It's a great Scripture! Another testament that God will have complete victory. Thank you for your input! :-)
God has made you so wise.
I lost 2 unborn children with my wife and although we just had a baby boy September 8 I wonder if the soul we lost is the same one that was born.
Noup, souls are not "recycled". Each soul and life is unique since Adam & Eve. Be sure your children are in Paradise in the presence of God Allmighty.
In the early Catholic church the answer would have been unbaptized babies, along with every other unbaptized person goes to hell. All the early Church father's said as much. I remember on writing where babies were considered the perfect example of sin, demanding, selfish, stealing lying little monsters and that he was looking forward to being in heaven looking down at the unbaptized babies crawling around on the floor of hell. Of course this is the same church that practiced trial by ordeal so what can you expect.
Thanks for this.
+Christy Sherrill You're welcome!
I think your comments are absolutely brilliant. I do also think that this comes into account where mentally handicapped people and even people or other children who do not understand the concept of sin is it Genesis states will God not do what is right? Of course. He would never send to Hell those who do not understand the concept of sin again, infants, children to sit knowledge, I’m not sure it’s called the age of accountability any people use
For example, if I asked a three-year-old what is sin, he or she would generally believe not know he or she may know the difference between right or wrong, don’t touch the stove because it’s hot and it will hurt you but their understanding is limited to that sort of right or wrong behaviour. A child of that age, perhaps would not going to intentionally stab something to death circumstances where one might, but that’s going down a chain of psychological issues that is not in issue here. What we are discussing. I genuinely believe is about the knowledge of sin. Therefore, how can we say that an unborn infant has KNOWLEDGE of sin, no, and again with the severely mentally handicapped. Bless you
If God take Enoch who has the mental capacity to speak, walk, talk and understand right from wrong to heaven with out dying. Then God would not send a baby who can't talk, think walk or anything who hasn't had a chance to come to Christ. Yes we are born in sin but God's Grace is WAY more sufficient than we could ever imagine.
The Dr's thought, the lawyers thought, the elders thought, the high priests thought they knew. Until Grace appeared! And they had know clue. They only had the law which is Holy but it was uncompleted until the full volume came in flesh to explain and to preach and to heal and set captives free and save us in his Journey. Listen when we die the body sleeps. But our spirit man lives. Remember that people of God. He simply loves you and is in love with you your children your unborn your babies and even big babies like us.
Is it safe to say that our understanding of the term “good” is not the same as God’s?
A good observation indeed.
Only God is morally and perfectly GOOD.
Jesus made that clear when he said:
Luke 18:19 Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God.
Even Jesus who was called GOOD SHEPHERD and TEACHER doesn't match up to God's standard of GOOD.
Excellent sir..even though According to Doctrine of Election and predestination All people will not be saved so How all babies are elected? could you please Explain to me...
In these comments Jennifer Nwosu offers an explanation about the spiritual nature of salvation as independent from physical maturity. In essence, all souls are offered the choice to accept Christ or not. I grew up around missionaries that pondered these issues endlessly. At the end of the day they tended to conclude that even babies are spiritually confronted to choose. Strangely, this created the question for the need for evangelical programs of spiritual outreach since Jesus was going to do it anyway. It may be that our truest responsibilities are to feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the naked, and love others.
The danger with this teaching is that if you are talking to someone who is considering an abortion, because for a baby that is going to be born into a terrible situation an abortion could be seen as an act of mercy. But at the same time if someone just lost their 6 month old baby, it would be deeply cruel to say “I don’t know”, which is the truth.
Deuteronomy 1:39
I think babies are innocent, even with Paul’s colorful hyperbolic language of babies being sinful. Of course they’re innocent.
God is clear that he looks out the most for those who truly are weak and helpless in society. Children are among the top of that list.
there is direct scriptural evidence that children are not lost; in Matthew 19, Mark 10, and Luke 18, Jesus says to suffer the little children to come to Him, for of such is the kingdom of heaven...thats 3 witnesses in the sense of 3 different accounts, plus the fact that it is from the mouth of Christ whose words are sure
He compared children to the people who are in heaven, or rather He set up children as a standard for the saints to aspire to...yes all babies and young children go to Heaven when they die
Well scripture does say we are all born into sin, but not born sinning. By nature we are all in rebellion to God and wish to go our own way .The CCC 1862 explains that one commits only venial sin “when he disobeys the moral law in a grave matter but without full knowledge or without complete consent”
I’m not sure I agree with your thoughts on Romans 5
Love this 🙏🏼 thank you
The question of will not the judge of all the earth do right resolves nothing in the question. If infants who die aren't in heaven then are you implying the the judge did wrong?
they are spared, since there’s nothing God can judge them on:
Ezekiel 18:20 (NIV)
“The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.”
Whatever happened to I don't know
If he would read his Bible, he would know. I can show you the answer in the Bible.
What about the age when children are able to know evil and good ?
Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right and judge sin and pour out his wrath on those conceived with sin-natures? Or is an infant more valuable than a child in her twenties?
So, as sons and daughters of Adam and eve, we are born sinners? Hm... So if our parents are horrible people, it means we're still bad as well? That's kind of... Not stupid. Just... that doesn't make sense.
We are born inheriting the propensity to sin in our nature, not the guilt, of course.
So what happens to the millions of indigenous people of small islands and huge pockets of the world where they have never had the chance to understand the catholic bible or the King James.
Like he said..'Will not the Lord of the Earth do right?' Read Romans 1.
@Derrick Crawley I can't understand why some people are saved and others not..when none of us are any better than anybody else.
@Derrick Crawley Actually no, you don't have to give up sins..first..you believe by grace through faith in the Son of God. That's the gospel of grace. Then you are born again..a child of God.
@Derrick Crawley I never said you don't repent of sins. You do that AFTER you believe on the Lord Jesus..not before.
Christ said “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” His grace covers all who didn’t know providing they would have accepted if they did.
As commonly accepted all children are granted acces to hell. When a mother loves her children, she wants them to go to heaven. It would be a risk to let them grow up and account for their sins, maybe ending up in hell. Would it then not be ethical to kill your own children? They would surely go to heaven, and you are willing to sacrifice yourself. Which also could make the argument she should be granted acces into heaven. She sacrificed herself to save her children.
To think that babies are sinners is just ridiculous. I feel bad for anyone who has been taught this and believes it.
Right in who’s eyes according to who’s standards? Man’s or God’s?
Excellent work.
hello sir you said God always does what is right but whatever will God do it just became right
OH BOY … These guys at SOUTHERN CEMETERY always tell us what they “think” Rather, PROVE ALL THINGS. (1Thess5:21 KJV)
Prove everything from the scriptures! Jesus said, “Suffer (allow) little children to come unto me, and forbid them not, for such is the kingdom of God.” (Matt14:19 KJV) AND “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” (Phil1:6 KJV) Once a child is conceived, God is going to perfect that being on the day of the Rapture!
God also punishes children for the sins of their fathers to the third and fourth generation (Exodus 34:7). So why not use that passage as a proof text that God sends all children to hell because their parents are sinful? How does the Abraham passage he quoted outweigh this verse? Because it’s easier to agree with?
Romans 5 says " Death spread to all men because all sinned". Sin is a choice. Sin is not passed through the bloodline. It is not physical. Ezekiel 18:20 says "The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them." To teach an unrepentant unbelieving sinner can enter heaven is to teach Universalism.
Everyone is born innocent and sinless. God forgave Adam and Eve. They were intended to live on earth regardless. No one inherit their sins. Stop the madness. Come to Islam
exactly! :) Follow the islamic path
Nah, Islam is demonic sin.
how the babies are saved when David say i will return to him after his son died.i think David does't meant to said that.
I believe Matthew 24:14 also helps, this when Jesus said the end would not come til the gospel is preached throughout the whole world and it shall be a witness unto ALL nations. What this tells me is the fact that persons would have heard the gospel and refused it, they can't use the fact that they didn't hear it as an excuse (hence why it's said it will be a witness against all nations). With tht said an unborn child and a dead infant would obviously not have heard the gospel and had a chance to repent and be saved. So I believe the Lord will be just and save who He will save
This is an excellent answer. And I would further ask if this same Biblical logic would apply to those are mentally disabled and die, but they do not die as an infant but as an adult. I think Pastor Tom would agree with that, but I would like to hear further discussion of that.
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God's wisdom is beyond human understanding I think we should leave the judging to Him. A good example is Esau and Jacob life Isaac favored Esau but God chose Jacob 😁 we cannot understand His wisdom, we can only be respectful,obedient and trust His judgment. I am content with his judgment because He is a just and fair Judge.
Best comment on this topic as the bible no where talks of any kind of age of accountability doctrine.
Difficult question indeed. but are we born as beings practicing sin, or is that just a propensity?
I agree, it seems to be a difficult question but the answer is easier than it might first appear. No one, not even babies, are righteous. (Romans 3: 10) David said that he was a sinner not just at birth, but at the moment of his conception. (Psalm 54: 5)
@@IsaacNussbaum Not righteous and being guilty are however two different things. And well, kids are still under the parents. I recall that the 'original sin' postulate was also the argument in favor of "pedobaptism" (which isn't baptism at all, but that's another matter). The argument was: If you don't 'baptize your kids quickly' it may die and then go to hell. Hence baby-sprinkling was made obligatory. Psalm 54:5 tells me "He will reward my enemies with evil. In Your faithfulness, destroy them. " Think you mean another verse there. Recall something with "conceived in sin". Well sin would have affected all negatively afterwards. But whether is born a sinner or simply unable to not become one is a different matter.
@@metapolitikgedanken612 I have corrected that citation. Thank you for catching my mistake. Regarding the rest of your post, what conclusion(s) are you urging, vis-à-vis infant deaths?
WHERE IS THE SOUND?
It's working now
The sound theology? Not here.
2 Sam 12 Verse 23
But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast?.... And pray; it is to no purpose, no end can be thought to be answered by it:
can I bring him back again? from the state of the dead, bring him to life by fasting, and praying, and weeping; that is not to e expected:
I shall go to him; to the state of the dead, to the grave, where his body was, or would be; to heaven and eternal happiness, where his soul was, as he comfortably hoped and believed: from whence it appears, that the Old Testament saints did not suppose an annihilation at death; but believed the immortality of the soul, a future state after death of eternal life and bliss:
but he shall not return to me; in the present mortal state, though at the resurrection they should meet again.
What a bizarre paradox: a prolific abortionist is responsible for getting more people into heaven than most pastors.
Never thought of it that way but as far as the reference to pastors getting someone into heaven , its like the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink .
The next question to ask here would be “what is right?”
The premise is that babies won’t go to hell because that is not “right”. But who make the determination of what is right? I think the answer to that would be, The Lord determines what is right and not our finite feeble minds. So if The Lord decides to sent new borns or unborn to hell that is what would be “right”.
That being said I think the underlining answer of babies don’t receive punishment or wrath would be correct.
You are DEAD wrong, one shouldn't come on here and give opinions, you should show it in the Bible......so here goes read Ecclesiastes ch 12 vs 7. This is the answer.
Learsi so are you saying God doesn’t determine what is right and man does? Sorry I am not sure of the meaning behind your Ecc reference.
Are you pulling one random scripture verse out of the poetic wisdom literature to make a point on doctrine?
Is the reason you capitalized DEAD because you were trying to make a pun? If you are LOL. If not please don’t take offense to that, I am trying to keep this conversation light :)
@@michaeljordan6124 I was only saying that all spirits return to the Most High.
Learsi yeah again you probably shouldn’t base a strong opinion such as calling someone DEAD (in all caps) wrong based from a one off scripture in Ecc. There is so much metaphor and hyperbole in the poetic books.
@@michaeljordan6124 There are other scriptures that says the same. Do you disagree with the scripture? If you do, then you do have a problem with me, you have a problem with God.
I have the thought that God wouldn’t ask of something impossible from someone knowing they would never be able to deliver it. Infants, aborted, mentally ill (even psychopaths), are literally unable to see the world as it is. They cannot receive the Gospel, let alone reject it.
I know God saves whoever He wants. He is justice. His right and wrong are different from our right and wrong.
But He is also so much mercy. People tend to cling on the “everyone deserves hell” part and forget what God sacrificed to save His chosen. Jesus’ blood covering the sin of those unable to receive the Gospel due circumstances against their will makes more sense than God sending to hell people who never had a chance to grasp the reality of this world and be given the choice to embrace it or reject it.
This is not a difficult or controversial question at all. The idea a fetus has sinned while in the womb with absolutely no self awareness is utterly ridiculous. To say an infant can sin is like saying a seagull can sin. You cannot sin without an awareness of right and wrong. If you think the Bible makes that unclear, you're overthinking it. This isn't difficult. "Who told you that you were naked". Gen 3:11.
"No self awareness"? So the Holy Spirit lied when He said through Elizabeth as she prophesied that the child within her lept with joy at the sound of greeting from the mother of her Lord? (Luke 1) How can someone with no self awareness be aware of the presence of another fetus in another womb and express joy? Or even experience joy, for that matter if you think so lowly of fetal abilities. It is very clear from this passage that the abilities of fetuses are much greater than people assume them to be. John KNEW who Christ is and that He was near. And he was joyful at that knowledge. Do not equate spiritual recognition and knowledge with mental ability. Nobody is saved through mental ability. It is irrelevant. Stop thinking like a man and see what God says is true, whether it makes sense to your mind or not.
If you follow monotheism (only ONE God. Not trinity), repent for your sins, do more good deeds, prostrate before God (not Jesus; Jesus, may peace be upon him, is a prophet of God; He is not the son of God, as God neither begets nor is begotten, but Jesus is the messenger of God!)..and if you are kind to others and carry out your obligations as a believer, then you may be granted heaven. No one is simply "saved". Everyone of us will be judged for our actions and intentions. :) Children under the age of accountability (ie. puberty) do not know what's right or wrong, they are pure and innocent, and therefore will be granted the gardens of Heaven ^^ but the one who hath aborted the fetus has sinned.. And yes, we are born with sinful nature, but we do not inherit sins, nor is anyone accountable for someone else's sins. This is what Christ and thousands of prophets that came before him and prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him) who came after him, preached for! :>
@@StephanieSomer No, no awareness whatsoever. You have any kids? If you did, youd know that. Miracles are not normative. A snake spoke to Eve, that doesnt mean my dog understands Shakespeare. Babies are born with an inherited sin nature, but they DO NOT sin before they are aware. If you ACTUALLY believe there are aborted babies burning in hell because they consciously rejected Christ in utero, you have a very different view of the nature of reality, and of God.
@@AJTramberg You have totally misunderstood the Scriptural teaching on "sin". Sins, or individual acts of sin, have all already been judged and dealt with on the Cross. The New Testament teaches that. When Scripture speaks of "sin" it is speaking of the sinful nature. Nobody will be saved or unsaved depending on their acts of sinful behavior. The acts of sin are merely the fruit of the sinful nature. God does not accept or refuse anyone on the basis of behavior, but on the basis of what they ARE. As an simplistic analogy, God wants oranges in His house. We are apple trees and incapable of producing oranges, regardless of what help one gets. God hates apples. So He refuses apple trees. But we cannot produce anything else. To produce oranges, we must be changed into orange trees. The purpose of salvation is to make that conversion into orange trees.
Since it is not behavior which determines our standing before God but our nature, whether or not a fetus has committed an act of sin is irrelevant, just as it is irrelevant for you and me. But, it is obvious once the child is born that it DOES have a sinful nature. Faith in Christ, and NOTHING ELSE, determines our destiny. And the same rule applies for each and every individual. The notion that many have is that faith requires intellect, which a fetus has not. That notion is wrong Scripturally as demonstrated by the passage in Luke which I've already quoted.
You may choose to discount that by simply calling it a miracle and assume it applies to no one else. But you would be in opposition to what the Word actually says.
As for my view of reality.. If a view of reality does not conform exactly and in every way as Scripture describes, it is erroneous. In other words, if I see in a way that makes God's Word not possible, I'm wrong and must adapt my thinking to His ways. Christ Himself said, "No man comes to the Father but by me.' If an aborted fetus is admitted to heaven simply because it didn't have the capacity to think and understand in the way you believe it must in order to accept Christ, then Christ lied. That cannot be. Therefore I am constricted to change my view of reality and accept that what Christ said is true, and true for all. He also said regarding accepting Him that, "No one can come to me unless the Father that sent me draws him." In both verses there is the phrase "no man". That phrase is completely and totally exclusive. There will not be a single individual in heaven that was not drawn to Christ by the Father. And there will not be a single individual in heaven that did not come through Christ. The ONLY path one may use to access Christ is faith. Having never committed an act of sin is irrelevant. Faith in Christ, and nothing else, gives us the transformation that is required to approach the Father in His house. Any other view than that is anti-Scriptural.
With all due respect to the speaker here who in most contexts I agree with, he in no way makes his case theologically. 'Will God do right?' is applied in such a way as to assume that it's right for God to save babies. He also states and I agree that all are born into sin and that means each and every baby.
God drowned millions, perhaps even billions at the flood, thousands, perhaps 100 thousand or more were babies. God was NOT unjust in this.
I agree with a pastor who answered someone who asked about God saving babies with a question, "Is this an Elect baby we're talking about?" Only the elect who's names were written in the Lamb's book of life written before the foundation of the world will get life. No one else.
One might speculate that every baby that ever dies were predestined to have this happen to them and were elect with their names in the book of life, but that's also going well beyond what is written and we're told not to do this..
I think the right answer for the speaker to give would be 'I don't know'. This idea that God would not condemn a baby who's never had the chance to physically sin has no real biblical foundation. Paul is clear:
Rom_3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Are any or all babies part of the elect due to their names being written in the book of life? I don't know.
I believe this speaker has fallen victim as so many pastors and bible teachers have as to make this assertion in order the comfort those who've lost a young child, a baby, aborted a baby and later regretted it, or had a miscarriage. The teacher, pastor being asked wanting to provide comfort to the parent/s will fall victim to this and invent a theology in order the comfort parents who want to believe that the baby will be going to heaven.
The way you handled this with strong biblical foundation & principles shows me your theology is solid.
How about this everyone on this earth's name is written in the Lambs book of life.
We know there's only one sin that's unforgivable and that's "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" which takes place when the Spirit reveals to you who Jesus Christ is (through the Gospel) and you reject all the Spirit revealed to you about Christ
Infants never had the chance nor mental capacity to know how to make that decision, therefore all children belong to the Lord up until the age of accountability.
Until the point that the child reaches age of accountability for decision making and commits Blasphemy of the spirit by rejecting Christ, his / her name is blotted from the book of life.
Otherwise all Infants belong to the Lord as David understood that he & his child can have a glorious reunion.
Could 2 Samuel 12:23 just be telling us that David knew his child was elect?
I have always been leery of taking the world of David as trustworthy. Like many of his actions not all of them have been exactly what God would have supported..... His statement that he and his son would be untied apon his death, is that something he got directly from God or was it simply his hope or belief? Pointing to his words as confirmation of fact I would say is dubious at best....Keep in mind that despite this observation I am not saying that he is wrong on this subject.
I don’t disagree with much of what you said. However I do think that just as He predestined some of us to come to the saving knowledge of Him, He likewise predestined some (not all) of the babies who perish before they are born or even children born but die before they are old enough to understand things of the gospel. Unfortunately God is still just and good to do as he pleases. I think when it says He chose us are before the creation of the world- it meant He chose all that he had predestined (which would include some mentally handicapped individuals, some children taken before they understood spiritual things, some aborted babies, and some adults who are able to spiritually understand their sin. In other words predestination is God choice - it is never an “all encompassing for all humanity that passes away in an innocent state”. God’s election is for some, not all humanity). I still think this shows his goodness and mercy, though! Many will be saved who perished in an innocent state. Otherwise how could we as Christians ever prove that abortion is biblically wrong because if ultimately abortion guaranteed a child’s position into heaven then would it not be morally, ultimately good to know that they are guaranteed into the kingdom? Obviously abortion is absolutely wrong- so I would argue that there is an eternal reason why it is so devastating to human beings. We have to remember that God is still soo good in that he chose some of us in his grace and mercy. Otherwise None of humanity, past present or future, would be with Him eternally.
It's also possible that God predestined every infant who dies, since he would already know they would die.
Who is arguing that babies go to Hell? Why would babies go to Hell?
They go right to heaven.
The state of the fall not put to you a siner.
Ezekiel 18:20 The Son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the Father bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. SIN CAN NOT BE TRANSFERRED !! Adam's sin is not transferred to his posterity. The result of his sin which is physical death and corruption we bear the consequence not the condemnation of the law giver. Calvinism confusion not be misled.