I sit in a Leap 2 at the office 8 to 10 hours a day. Bought a Gesture about a month ago for my home office after watching many reviews on this channel and trying all the models mentioned here at a local showroom. I have to say that I couldn't be happier with my choice. The Gesture fits me much better than the Leap and I find myself with less stiffness/discomfort after a long day. The adjustable arms are a really key feature on the Gesture as they let me position a number of ways around the desk. I also find the lumbar on the Gesture more to my liking. The lesson is that it's important to listen to the reasons why reviewers like and don't like a chair to see how that aligns with your needs. Probably more important than the showroom visit since you can't spend all that much time there. Thanks BTODtv Team!
thanks for the comment, nice and insightful! I'm thinking about the leap, but I don't like lumbar support. Does the Gesture have firmer or stiffer lumbar support than the Leap v2?
@@nicbongo to be honest, neither has a ton of lumbar support. I'd note that for me, that is less of an issue with the Gesture because of the way it supports my upper back/shoulders. The contoured back of the Leap doesn't fit me quite as well (a bit too narrow) and i feel fatigue more quickly than in the Gesture. Still very happy with the purchase. Would also note that I recently found an unused Gesture at the office and claimed it as my own so now it's sitting bliss at home and office.
@@mattmacd42 I wanna work in your office! Appreciate the feedback. I've had chairs with pronounced lumbar support in the past and I think it actually injured me, so very hesitant to spend lots of money with a similar risk. I feel a bit more assured now after your comment, cheers.
Why can't they just make a chair with no bad bits and only good bits? It's like Colgate and their 20 different varieties.. just make ONE that does EVERYTHING
The Steelcase Think is an INSANELY good chair, and you can get used ones under 200 dollars (they are mass produced for offices so they are always available on places like facebook market). I have sat in office chairs for 10+ years and I use a Steelcase Think at home. I definitely recommend you get the one with the lumbar pad if you can. I also recommend the leather upholstered seat over the fabric ones (it just lasts longer and is easier to clean). I've used Herman Miller chairs and various other ergonomic chairs, but for your buck I recommend a used Steelcase Think to almost everyone (especially those on a budget). Seriously, I worked in an office that used only these with hundreds of other people and I NEVER heard anyone complain about the chairs being uncomfortable, even though many of them had been around and serviced for several years.
I'm trying to get rid of my Think, the mesh with the ribbed back is not comfortable at all. Otherwise a great chair. Just wish I had the solid fabric or leather version.
@@xPorkchops007x I've seriously never heard anyone complain about the Think, but if for whatever reason the mesh with the ribbed back bothers you, there is the Amia which looks very similar, although I've never sat in one.
@@FastJohnnyNardGard I tried the Think in a showroom and it felt like it wasn't made for adults. I'm no giant at 1.8m and ~80kg. In that range I like the HM Sayl more(and bought one). About the same height in the back but feels like a much larger chair and holds your back much better. The seat is also more comfortable imo.
@@cristi724 The Think might not be for absolutely everyone. I would always suggest people sit in a variety of different chairs. My suggestion is mostly for people who don't want to or can't afford to spend a lot for a chair. You see quite a few sayls on the used market as well. Great looking chair but a lot of them seem to have a problem where the rubberized material on the armrests starts to chip or flake off over long term use.
@@FastJohnnyNardGard Have the Sayl for 2 years now, the armrests are holding fine so far. However, for used I recommend caution with the plastic base if there's no warranty. I had mine replaced after 1 year since the cylinder started touching the floor. I don't think the new base will last long either. There's a metal base option now, I strongly recommend that one if possible.
After trying Gesture I realized how important arm support is. Proper arm/elbow support encourages better posture with the rest of your body. I realized I was slouching on my current chair while using phone etc because my crappy chair had no arm support where I wanted and I was using the back to rest my arms. Leap seat is thicker than gesture, but slightly firmer (not uncomfortable) and flatter seat of gesture actually made me sit more upright. Great design. I'll be picking one up.
Everyone please remember this is in fact an opinion piece. He does his research and showing you the features but this is all on you to figure out which one works for you. If you have a retailer near you, please just go in and test them out. I have had my gesture for about a year now and I'm super happy with it. I will say I agree with the lumbar support, more would be great.
Steel case 'Think" is really comfortable. Since it has a floating seat. So there is no pressure from the below to the tail bone. Its like the Aeron chair. Our office got rid of all old chairs and got this chair. If you have back issues, get this model. Get the mesh back. Not the one with the cloth. The mesh also reduces the pain on the upper back. the fully padded version add some pressure back and does not feel good. Also the seat cushion does not press back on the leg thus reducing any push back pressure
your video has the information which I want to know about steelcase chairs,now I have no regret on my aeron purchase. I have L4,L5 disc tear and thought back support helps but it is the mesh seat, for my comfort
Your videos helped me discover the world of chairs and I’m very great full for that! My wife and I bought a Leap V2 and a series 1 chair and there is a drastic difference in the way we feel after 8 hours of sitting vs the chairs we used to have. My work usually the Amazon basics chairs which we all know are the most comfortable chairs with the best overall back support (sarcasm).
I just sat in all of these chairs and I have to say I am not a fan of any of their armrests due to the way I reposition myself in a chair and stand up. I use my arms to lift my body to reposition my legs or stand up. In both cases the arms move far to easily and just push out. So you end up repositioning them all the time. It would be much nicer if you could lock all that motion so once you have them where you want them, you lock them in place.
I'll just say if your a big fella and you want a comfortable seat, do not get any of these chairs. I got the most recommended which was the Amia and it's not comfortable after awhile. The seat cushion is pretty thin so you might as well be sitting on- well... a steel case. On the flip side, maybe it being uncomfortable after awhile is a good thing. Getting up and taking a break. But it definitely wasn't worth the money. I have no way of taking it back to get a refund, so I might sell it and get something with more cush.
I’ve spent some years using a Steelcase Leap V2 and Herman Miller Aeron. The Leap V2 is an excellent chair and I like being able to pick colors, but the Aeron is on another level for build quality, styling , and comfort (if you’re not a leg-crosser)
Chairs are so individual. It is why office chair reviews are unintentionally disingenuous since each person will react to a chair differently. To me the Aeron is insanely uncomfortable. And I have tried it many times. Nothing about it works for me. But lots agree with you and love it. Have to try chairs to find one that works for you
Agree that the Leap's padding is lacking. One other thing to note is that it is a very narrow chair. I happen to fit it, but if you have any kind of wide lower body, I imagine the cushion will be much too narrow.
Would a seat pad by the brand “purple” ruin the ergonomics of the Amia. I figure I’ll just move the lumbar support up a few inches. I love me some soft seats. I’ve never been a headrest guy either. I’ll Just jump in my bed to relax. Aeron chairs are a scam. Feels good for 30 minutes then the problems start.
Never go with a cheap Ikea chair or definitely not a racing gaming chair if you work from home or in any circumstance. This can affect your work performance as you will want to leave your desk because of getting painful or tired legs. Go with a min 200 euro office chair or a steelcase secondhand.
The series 2 pad “feels like a rock”… have you ever felt a rock before sir lol? Which material was that anyway, Era? Would the Billiard material be any better you think?
For a 5ft tall petite female, seat depth and minimum seat height are important; are the Series 1 and Think appropriate? Regarding seat comfort, she prefers a more padded seat; does that change things?
@@btodtv Just received Leap today, it's a very very comfortable chair! Compare to Humanscale World Chair (my preivous chair, used almost 5 years), Most noticable areas for me, are: 1. Leap's lumbar support is significantly better. 2. Leap's seat flexibility is better, which won't make my leg numb. 3. Humanscale's seat material is softer, and the back material won't heat up quickly.
Just got a used Criterion for 30 bucks! My back is still getting use to it though my right side is sore but thats from being in bucket seat gaming chairs for years im guessing idk if i dont like it ill just resell it for more than what i bought it for lol
Thank you for the reviews! Amazing job. Question, I'm in the market for a new chair, but looking for a specific feature, reclinable/foldable armrests, I use it in my home studio and when you play instruments like guitars or bass, the armrests are always in the way. I currently have a Zody, really nice chair, but the armrests makes me sit at the edge of the chair while playing. Any recommendation? I'd like to keep it not super expensive if possible! Thanks again!
The Gestures arms go down super low. Otherwise, you might need to look at something with flip away arms. The BTOD Akir has this option or the All33 chair -GK
Ever had a chance to try out the Steelcase Please? I found that one to to be the single most ergonomical chair I have ever had the chance to sit in. No idea why it is only sold in Europe, Africa and the Middle East...
Whether or not Steelcase will actually provide a build-your-own-chair option to customers will determine if Steelcase will become a leader in the field or slowly disappear like so many other office chair manufacturers.
why is no one showing or talking about the Steelcase Reply Air? My sister got one from her work for working from home and and tried it and it feels like heaven for me. Wish it had a bigger backrest or a headrest but man the seat is really thick and comfy and the back even without the lumbar in it was like it was made for me and I just saw the chair only cost around 500? Only thing that holds me back is the no headrest, sometimes I want something to lean back on with my head when gaming (but also, the most headrest for some reason push forward into your head/neck and are not just straight like for example on the steelcase please just a straight cushioned plate where I can kick back all way to give my neck some rest here and there but.. well)
I've been looking for a new chair today and came to the conclusion that Steelcase is probably one of the best offers. Nice timing on the video! Do you have anything to report about the Please?
I sat in a Please in a showroom. Extremely comfortable (much more than the Gesture, which I really wanted to love but just couldn't - the seat pan just doesn't work for me), but you should do some research on the back height adjustment breaking. There seem to be several reports on them breaking after 3 to 5 years, which is why I decided against it.
What is the point of this comment? I am genuinely curious. Your comment shows any chair expert that you have very little experience with chairs. But you make this statement with such confidence. -Ryan
Have any of you on BTOD ever tested any chairs from RH like the RH Logic, it's owned by Flokk who aslo owns HÅG ( I think ). Just curios to get your thoughts, don't think it's a very known brand but the RH Logic seems very adjustable.
It's an interesting brand for sure. I did a bit of snooping for them. Doesn't look like they have a ton of distribution in the USA and definitely not readily available to the everyday consumer -GK
Why do all the armrests have to be the thin hard style, plastic or otherwise? Where are the cushy armrests? Adjustability is great, but if my elbows hurt after hours of gaming, what's the point. My current chair has the option for the cushy armrests and they are so much nicer than the usual fair. Thanks for the reviews.
Soft, plastic feeling is better, than the hard thick ones. those make ur elbows numb. try buying padded armrests, they helped me with shitty thick/stiff armrests. When the armrest moves around is adjustable, it means its usually better.
Are there any other chairs you've tested with breathable backs and relatively flat headrests like the Steelcase Series 2? I'm 5'0" and I really want a chair with a mesh back and a headrest that fits.
seems like every video i watch from these guys talks me out of another chair. all the ones that are "just okay" are 2k+ and everything else has a slew of issues and is uncomfortable. guess ill just remain in pain forever
What would you recommend for someone that likes the HM Sayl but would like something with a taller backrest? I used the Sayl for 2 years but it's not tall enough for me to lean back(the ends stick into my back a bit, not horrible but not pleasant either). Budget is max 1k for something with fully adjustable armrests. I don't care about a headrest, nice to have if it's good, if it's bad I'd rather not have it. I had a leap v2 for a couple of months but returned it because they had the issues with the crooked backs, and after 2 chairs they couldn't give me a good one (factory in France). I liked the Leap but it didn't feel like it was made very well. Had all sorts of squeaks and the lumbar adjustment was not gliding properly. The cheaper Sayl is a better built chair in my experience, so I guess I'm biased towards HM but I'm willing to give Steelcase another shot.
I’m looking to replace my secret lab titan exo 2022 because the padding is so stiff and hurts my tailbone and the shape pushes my shoulders forward. I’m thinking the leapv2 or the amia would do it for me but I’ll have to look for a deal
After watching this and you guys wanting a thicker pad with the leap, I bought a used leap v2 local and then bought replacement pads and fabric from crandall. Hopefully its the lamia you guys dreamed of?
Using the pad Crandall created would not be my version of the Lamia I had dreamed of. If you look at the shape and softness of the Crandall cushion, it is significantly different than the Leap or Amia pad. They changed the density and the shape of the pad, with defined edges that will restrict blood flow versus promote it. I prefer the Amia seat pad because they still use a proper waterfall front design with a medium/firm density. The improvement for me is because of the increased space for the tailbone region in the Amia seat frame design versus the Leap -GK
I don't get why you miss the Please II in your reviews. I am 192 cm (6`2") high and tried Guesture/Leap and they are absoulutely uncomfortable for me. Please II on the other hand has all the bells and whistles for tall people. It has hight adjustable back, which is crtitical for correct lumbar support position
I currently have the Gesture and love it. However, the seat is a bit hard and I end up a bit sore after sitting 10+ hours per day. One thing that I love about the Gesture is the adjustable seat depth, I sit cross-legged most of the time, so I like to be able to extend the seat out as far as it goes. I'm interested in either the Amia or Leap, because they seem to have softer seats, but do they have the seat depth adjustment feature?
Yes leap has seat depth adjustment. It's not fine adjustment like your gesture, there are like 4-5 positions it locks into. Also I prefer the lumbar support of the leap v2 over the gesture
Hi. I saw on your video that your arm rest are pretty much aligned with your desk (same height). So is it ok that your chair doesn’t roll under your desk? I always assumed your chair should have to roll under your desk when you’re away from your computer.
Thanks for these reviews, I watched a lot and was about to purchase a Leap or Gesture recently and went to a showroom to check them out. I then discovered that Steelcase only offer a 5 year warranty in the EU which put me off entirely. Do you have any idea whether Steelcase plan to change this in future, or whether I should just opt for a different manufacturer?
Probably nothing major. It might just be a regulation issue or some kind of cost factor issue in executing a 5+ years warranty in the EU (maybe materials, supplies, or labour?). Gotta think about all the chairs they've put out - as long as they can all be expected to be of the same quality, there's no reason to fear that it won't last for the same 12 years, baring some kind of misuse of the product of course.
“In EMEA, for products sold directly to consumers, either via online e-commerce sites (Amazon/our online stores) or dealers, the warranty offer covers Steelcase products for a period of 5 years, is transferable and becomes effective on the day of delivery to the end-user. The 12 year warranty is applicable only for corporate customers. All our products are made of the same high-quality materials in our factories in Germany, France or Spain, thus ensuring your product’s longevity and offering you the best support and wellbeing while you work.”
@@morkoshenen I tried the Gesture once and what I noticed is that there is a massive swamp effect. In a minute I began to sweat. But it seems it doesn't do that to everybody. But as it did that to me, I chose another chair (the Steelcase Please). But I miss the armrests of the Gesture which are awesome.
I just bought a steelcase gesture with headrest. Everything on the chair felt good except the seat cushion. Was way to thin and firm, and felt like I was always sliding off. I am 6'3 175 lbs. Would you recommend the amia for someone as tall as me? I was also considering the Series 2 air, but the seat cushion looks thin.
@@sittkukk8278 gesture with headrest, i regret it. But Ive spent too many years looking, buying, and returning chairs. At a certain point I gave up. I thought fern would work but nooooo, its awful.
@@Gavinbelson Yea same here. I ve looked at so many chairs for me Logitech embody will be my last high end chair and thats the stop for me. Tired of this nonsense. Will just go back to regular chairs at this point cuz these high end cushions are a joke :(
@@Gavinbelson That's unfortunate. Also to add, I had the Amia for a couple of days. The back was terrible imo compared to the gesture and the recline as well. The seat tbh wasn't as amazing people claim it to be. I preferred Gestures, but problem with Gesture is after an hour the pain kicks in and becomes unbearable to sit in. Like Gesture is softer but like you start to sink in the chair overtime creating pressure points. Steelcase series 2 I heard the seat is hard as a rock. Sorry for the long comment I just wanted to share my knowledge.
I've owned an Amia and it's slightly too deep for me, causing back pain from lack of support. Would the Series 2 be appropriate? They claim the seat depth is an inch shorter, can you confirm?
What did you end up getting? And may I ask how tall you are? Looking at hard at the Amia and I am told this will probably one of the best for some as short as I am (5 4'). Thanks
I have the Think V2 with a padded back. DO NOT get the knit version. The fully upholstered version is immensely comfortable and I have nothing bad to say about it. Lumbar support works great and the seat pad is among my favorites.
The Leap sounds great buy it is truly the dumpiest-looking chair. As someone who has my workspace in the living room I’m hoping to find a chair with some aesthetic value. Right now I have an Amia I took home from the office three years ago. Totally comfortable. Not super sexy. Thinking of trying a Think with upholstered back. Also interested in Haworth Fern.
I went to a dealer to try out a bunch of different chairs and the Leap V2 was by faaaaar my favorite. Fern back was ok but I disliked the seat. I wanted to love the Gesture but I had the same experience as Greg feeling like I was falling forward in the seat somehow. I don't know I might still consider the Gesture. It wasn't bad by any means. But the Leap was ... leaps and bounds above the rest for me 😛 But dang it is not a sexy chair!
I'm sitting on the v1 and it's the worse chair I've ever bought. I've had $40 chairs better than this. the cushion is nonexistent after a couple days and thinking about shelling another couple hundred just so i don't have to suffer anymore.
Weird question maybe, but would it be possible to make a Lamia Plus using an Amia seat and Leap Plus chassis? Would it retain the 500 lbs weight limit? (Assuming yes if it fits considering the seat pad isn't structural) Looking at buying an Amia but I'm kind of close to that 400 limit and I just want to consider my options for future proofing lol
Why wouldn't you just buy a Leap Plus? The only issue I heard about the leap seat is the lack of padding at the tailbone, but I'm not sure that'd be an issue for you. I hope that didn't come off as rude, but do you see what I'm saying?
Steel case suck my employer buys them by the 100's at a time and all of them eventually start squaking the spring inside is a poor design. You have to take the seat off by using a long screw driver to release the stop slides off. Then you have to spray silicon spray into the holes where the lift spring is after a few days it stops squeaking. 6-12 months later it starts up again I figured this out on my own because my employer outsources the chair repair it takes several weeks to get someone out to fix it I didn't want to wait.
Hello, I bought this chair 'Steelcase Personality Ergonomic Task Chair' after using it for over a month find that it is not a good one, bcz whenever i am sitting for long hours it is pulling down wards and also getting back pain. Can you help?
i’m sure those are good chairs and i get that there’s a lot of r&d behind it, but the fact that there’s so many flaws in 500-600 chairs and an headrest is 200 more tells me these things are crazy overpriced
Matt Damon giving great reviews outside of movie roles
I sit in a Leap 2 at the office 8 to 10 hours a day. Bought a Gesture about a month ago for my home office after watching many reviews on this channel and trying all the models mentioned here at a local showroom. I have to say that I couldn't be happier with my choice. The Gesture fits me much better than the Leap and I find myself with less stiffness/discomfort after a long day. The adjustable arms are a really key feature on the Gesture as they let me position a number of ways around the desk. I also find the lumbar on the Gesture more to my liking. The lesson is that it's important to listen to the reasons why reviewers like and don't like a chair to see how that aligns with your needs. Probably more important than the showroom visit since you can't spend all that much time there. Thanks BTODtv Team!
thanks for the comment, nice and insightful!
I'm thinking about the leap, but I don't like lumbar support. Does the Gesture have firmer or stiffer lumbar support than the Leap v2?
@@nicbongo to be honest, neither has a ton of lumbar support. I'd note that for me, that is less of an issue with the Gesture because of the way it supports my upper back/shoulders. The contoured back of the Leap doesn't fit me quite as well (a bit too narrow) and i feel fatigue more quickly than in the Gesture. Still very happy with the purchase. Would also note that I recently found an unused Gesture at the office and claimed it as my own so now it's sitting bliss at home and office.
@@mattmacd42 I wanna work in your office!
Appreciate the feedback. I've had chairs with pronounced lumbar support in the past and I think it actually injured me, so very hesitant to spend lots of money with a similar risk.
I feel a bit more assured now after your comment, cheers.
Why can't they just make a chair with no bad bits and only good bits? It's like Colgate and their 20 different varieties.. just make ONE that does EVERYTHING
What greg finds to be the best, others might not, you gotta pick the best for you and you alone.
Correct. Because we all have different bits 🤣 -GK
don't ever brush your teeth with that poison. lol
@@HumanOptimization lemme guess you’re anti fluoride
@@j.m4a1 amongst other things lol
The Steelcase Think is an INSANELY good chair, and you can get used ones under 200 dollars (they are mass produced for offices so they are always available on places like facebook market). I have sat in office chairs for 10+ years and I use a Steelcase Think at home. I definitely recommend you get the one with the lumbar pad if you can. I also recommend the leather upholstered seat over the fabric ones (it just lasts longer and is easier to clean).
I've used Herman Miller chairs and various other ergonomic chairs, but for your buck I recommend a used Steelcase Think to almost everyone (especially those on a budget). Seriously, I worked in an office that used only these with hundreds of other people and I NEVER heard anyone complain about the chairs being uncomfortable, even though many of them had been around and serviced for several years.
I'm trying to get rid of my Think, the mesh with the ribbed back is not comfortable at all. Otherwise a great chair. Just wish I had the solid fabric or leather version.
@@xPorkchops007x I've seriously never heard anyone complain about the Think, but if for whatever reason the mesh with the ribbed back bothers you, there is the Amia which looks very similar, although I've never sat in one.
@@FastJohnnyNardGard I tried the Think in a showroom and it felt like it wasn't made for adults. I'm no giant at 1.8m and ~80kg. In that range I like the HM Sayl more(and bought one). About the same height in the back but feels like a much larger chair and holds your back much better. The seat is also more comfortable imo.
@@cristi724 The Think might not be for absolutely everyone. I would always suggest people sit in a variety of different chairs. My suggestion is mostly for people who don't want to or can't afford to spend a lot for a chair. You see quite a few sayls on the used market as well. Great looking chair but a lot of them seem to have a problem where the rubberized material on the armrests starts to chip or flake off over long term use.
@@FastJohnnyNardGard Have the Sayl for 2 years now, the armrests are holding fine so far. However, for used I recommend caution with the plastic base if there's no warranty. I had mine replaced after 1 year since the cylinder started touching the floor. I don't think the new base will last long either.
There's a metal base option now, I strongly recommend that one if possible.
After trying Gesture I realized how important arm support is. Proper arm/elbow support encourages better posture with the rest of your body. I realized I was slouching on my current chair while using phone etc because my crappy chair had no arm support where I wanted and I was using the back to rest my arms. Leap seat is thicker than gesture, but slightly firmer (not uncomfortable) and flatter seat of gesture actually made me sit more upright. Great design.
I'll be picking one up.
Gesture or Leap?
Everyone please remember this is in fact an opinion piece. He does his research and showing you the features but this is all on you to figure out which one works for you. If you have a retailer near you, please just go in and test them out.
I have had my gesture for about a year now and I'm super happy with it. I will say I agree with the lumbar support, more would be great.
Steel case 'Think" is really comfortable. Since it has a floating seat. So there is no pressure from the below to the tail bone. Its like the Aeron chair. Our office got rid of all old chairs and got this chair. If you have back issues, get this model. Get the mesh back. Not the one with the cloth. The mesh also reduces the pain on the upper back. the fully padded version add some pressure back and does not feel good. Also the seat cushion does not press back on the leg thus reducing any push back pressure
After sitting in the leap v2, the think feels like a very high end office depot chair.
@@donuts4dilla There is a difference. It does look like those but it feels very different in actual usage
How is it one year later?
Also, when you say mesh back are you referring to the knit version?
Thank you!
your video has the information which I want to know about steelcase chairs,now I have no regret on my aeron purchase. I have L4,L5 disc tear and thought back support helps but it is the mesh seat, for my comfort
Your videos helped me discover the world of chairs and I’m very great full for that! My wife and I bought a Leap V2 and a series 1 chair and there is a drastic difference in the way we feel after 8 hours of sitting vs the chairs we used to have. My work usually the Amazon basics chairs which we all know are the most comfortable chairs with the best overall back support (sarcasm).
got an amia for $80 during the start of covid, think steelcase has a customer for life
Deal of the century! -GK
BTOD gives great reviews, but they have effectively talked me out of ever chair.
I just sat in all of these chairs and I have to say I am not a fan of any of their armrests due to the way I reposition myself in a chair and stand up. I use my arms to lift my body to reposition my legs or stand up. In both cases the arms move far to easily and just push out. So you end up repositioning them all the time. It would be much nicer if you could lock all that motion so once you have them where you want them, you lock them in place.
I'll just say if your a big fella and you want a comfortable seat, do not get any of these chairs. I got the most recommended which was the Amia and it's not comfortable after awhile. The seat cushion is pretty thin so you might as well be sitting on- well... a steel case. On the flip side, maybe it being uncomfortable after awhile is a good thing. Getting up and taking a break. But it definitely wasn't worth the money. I have no way of taking it back to get a refund, so I might sell it and get something with more cush.
I’ve spent some years using a Steelcase Leap V2 and Herman Miller Aeron. The Leap V2 is an excellent chair and I like being able to pick colors, but the Aeron is on another level for build quality, styling , and comfort (if you’re not a leg-crosser)
I totally agree, Christopher. I simply can't see any sexy design elements on any steelcase chairs. they look so dull.
Chairs are so individual. It is why office chair reviews are unintentionally disingenuous since each person will react to a chair differently. To me the Aeron is insanely uncomfortable. And I have tried it many times. Nothing about it works for me. But lots agree with you and love it. Have to try chairs to find one that works for you
And other level of price too...
I do wish the Amia had a Seat pan tilt adjustment for this price range.
Agree that the Leap's padding is lacking. One other thing to note is that it is a very narrow chair. I happen to fit it, but if you have any kind of wide lower body, I imagine the cushion will be much too narrow.
Great video! Bonus points for having a Nintendo Entertainment System and a Sega Master System in the background.
They need to make more of the armrests flip backwards if needed... For the price of these it's crazy that that's such a forgotten feature.
Would a seat pad by the brand “purple” ruin the ergonomics of the Amia. I figure I’ll just move the lumbar support up a few inches. I love me some soft seats. I’ve never been a headrest guy either. I’ll Just jump in my bed to relax. Aeron chairs are a scam. Feels good for 30 minutes then the problems start.
If the Amia came with a headrest, it would be perfect for me!
Never go with a cheap Ikea chair or definitely not a racing gaming chair if you work from home or in any circumstance. This can affect your work performance as you will want to leave your desk because of getting painful or tired legs. Go with a min 200 euro office chair or a steelcase secondhand.
I am glad my CAD$200 chair does 80% of the things these chairs do. It has a headrest too.
The only one I can afford has "avoid" written on it, good grief
The series 2 pad “feels like a rock”… have you ever felt a rock before sir lol? Which material was that anyway, Era? Would the Billiard material be any better you think?
Same here thinking
For a 5ft tall petite female, seat depth and minimum seat height are important; are the Series 1 and Think appropriate? Regarding seat comfort, she prefers a more padded seat; does that change things?
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Very helpful review! Initially want to get Amia, and find out Singapore doesn't have this, so I think will choose Leap then.
I think you'll like that :) -GK
@@btodtv
Just received Leap today, it's a very very comfortable chair! Compare to Humanscale World Chair (my preivous chair, used almost 5 years), Most noticable areas for me, are:
1. Leap's lumbar support is significantly better.
2. Leap's seat flexibility is better, which won't make my leg numb.
3. Humanscale's seat material is softer, and the back material won't heat up quickly.
which office table you are using, it looks very sturdy
Just got a used Criterion for 30 bucks! My back is still getting use to it though my right side is sore but thats from being in bucket seat gaming chairs for years im guessing idk if i dont like it ill just resell it for more than what i bought it for lol
I'd love to see a review of the Steelcase Karman.
Thank you for the reviews! Amazing job. Question, I'm in the market for a new chair, but looking for a specific feature, reclinable/foldable armrests, I use it in my home studio and when you play instruments like guitars or bass, the armrests are always in the way. I currently have a Zody, really nice chair, but the armrests makes me sit at the edge of the chair while playing. Any recommendation? I'd like to keep it not super expensive if possible! Thanks again!
The Gestures arms go down super low. Otherwise, you might need to look at something with flip away arms. The BTOD Akir has this option or the All33 chair -GK
Ever had a chance to try out the Steelcase Please? I found that one to to be the single most ergonomical chair I have ever had the chance to sit in. No idea why it is only sold in Europe, Africa and the Middle East...
Do you have a particular preference between the leather vs cloth version of the Amia?
Great review! Do y’all have a video on how to make a Lamia?
No but we should! -GK
I would love this!
How would a leap v1 compare to an amia? Both refurbished
Whether or not Steelcase will actually provide a build-your-own-chair option to customers will determine if Steelcase will become a leader in the field or slowly disappear like so many other office chair manufacturers.
why is no one showing or talking about the Steelcase Reply Air? My sister got one from her work for working from home and and tried it and it feels like heaven for me. Wish it had a bigger backrest or a headrest but man the seat is really thick and comfy and the back even without the lumbar in it was like it was made for me and I just saw the chair only cost around 500? Only thing that holds me back is the no headrest, sometimes I want something to lean back on with my head when gaming (but also, the most headrest for some reason push forward into your head/neck and are not just straight like for example on the steelcase please just a straight cushioned plate where I can kick back all way to give my neck some rest here and there but.. well)
No one is talking about the Reply because Steelcase stopped making them.
I've been looking for a new chair today and came to the conclusion that Steelcase is probably one of the best offers. Nice timing on the video!
Do you have anything to report about the Please?
Unfortunately, the Please isn't available to us in the USA -GK
I sat in a Please in a showroom. Extremely comfortable (much more than the Gesture, which I really wanted to love but just couldn't - the seat pan just doesn't work for me), but you should do some research on the back height adjustment breaking. There seem to be several reports on them breaking after 3 to 5 years, which is why I decided against it.
@@ajdaniels I've seen some reports on it but it has alledgedly been fixed in a recent update.
Sounds like series might be a good fit for me. I'm 5'2''-ish and mot of the chairs are too large.
The price tags and the low amount of chairs of head support says it all about your expertise on the matter.
What is the point of this comment? I am genuinely curious. Your comment shows any chair expert that you have very little experience with chairs. But you make this statement with such confidence. -Ryan
Have any of you on BTOD ever tested any chairs from RH like the RH Logic, it's owned by Flokk who aslo owns HÅG ( I think ). Just curios to get your thoughts, don't think it's a very known brand but the RH Logic seems very adjustable.
It's an interesting brand for sure. I did a bit of snooping for them. Doesn't look like they have a ton of distribution in the USA and definitely not readily available to the everyday consumer -GK
Can't wait for the Karman and your views on it... Really hoping it'll be the marriage between the Aeron and the Leap that I seriously want.
Excited too see it as well! -gk
Karman come in april
Why do all the armrests have to be the thin hard style, plastic or otherwise? Where are the cushy armrests? Adjustability is great, but if my elbows hurt after hours of gaming, what's the point. My current chair has the option for the cushy armrests and they are so much nicer than the usual fair. Thanks for the reviews.
Soft, plastic feeling is better, than the hard thick ones. those make ur elbows numb. try buying padded armrests, they helped me with shitty thick/stiff armrests. When the armrest moves around is adjustable, it means its usually better.
Are there any other chairs you've tested with breathable backs and relatively flat headrests like the Steelcase Series 2? I'm 5'0" and I really want a chair with a mesh back and a headrest that fits.
does the fabric seatpad get hot? Trying to decide between mesh and fabric
seems like every video i watch from these guys talks me out of another chair. all the ones that are "just okay" are 2k+ and everything else has a slew of issues and is uncomfortable. guess ill just remain in pain forever
Leap for the win
thoughts on personality plus?
What would you recommend for someone that likes the HM Sayl but would like something with a taller backrest? I used the Sayl for 2 years but it's not tall enough for me to lean back(the ends stick into my back a bit, not horrible but not pleasant either). Budget is max 1k for something with fully adjustable armrests. I don't care about a headrest, nice to have if it's good, if it's bad I'd rather not have it.
I had a leap v2 for a couple of months but returned it because they had the issues with the crooked backs, and after 2 chairs they couldn't give me a good one (factory in France). I liked the Leap but it didn't feel like it was made very well. Had all sorts of squeaks and the lumbar adjustment was not gliding properly.
The cheaper Sayl is a better built chair in my experience, so I guess I'm biased towards HM but I'm willing to give Steelcase another shot.
Is the series 1 not a good budget option? The series 2 is not available in my country.
If you fit in the chair, it could definitely work. I don’t love the armrests or the weight activated recline mechanism-GK
Just ordered the Amia! I've been using the Herman Miller Sayl and recently the Autonomous ergo 2 but both have been uncomfortable to sit in.
How was the Amia? Personally I m out of options really I ve tried basically most of these high end chairs. Last 1s gonna be Amia and Fern for me
I’m looking to replace my secret lab titan exo 2022 because the padding is so stiff and hurts my tailbone and the shape pushes my shoulders forward. I’m thinking the leapv2 or the amia would do it for me but I’ll have to look for a deal
After watching this and you guys wanting a thicker pad with the leap, I bought a used leap v2 local and then bought replacement pads and fabric from crandall. Hopefully its the lamia you guys dreamed of?
Using the pad Crandall created would not be my version of the Lamia I had dreamed of. If you look at the shape and softness of the Crandall cushion, it is significantly different than the Leap or Amia pad. They changed the density and the shape of the pad, with defined edges that will restrict blood flow versus promote it. I prefer the Amia seat pad because they still use a proper waterfall front design with a medium/firm density. The improvement for me is because of the increased space for the tailbone region in the Amia seat frame design versus the Leap -GK
I don't get why you miss the Please II in your reviews. I am 192 cm (6`2") high and tried Guesture/Leap and they are absoulutely uncomfortable for me. Please II on the other hand has all the bells and whistles for tall people. It has hight adjustable back, which is crtitical for correct lumbar support position
The Please isn’t available in the United States that’s probably why. I doubt there’s a real market for importing it either.
Content range, detail and delivery fantastic as always, but the clickbait title and thumbnail are not. Keep up the *good* work BTOD.
I currently have the Gesture and love it. However, the seat is a bit hard and I end up a bit sore after sitting 10+ hours per day. One thing that I love about the Gesture is the adjustable seat depth, I sit cross-legged most of the time, so I like to be able to extend the seat out as far as it goes. I'm interested in either the Amia or Leap, because they seem to have softer seats, but do they have the seat depth adjustment feature?
Yes leap has seat depth adjustment. It's not fine adjustment like your gesture, there are like 4-5 positions it locks into. Also I prefer the lumbar support of the leap v2 over the gesture
The solution is simple: Steelcase needs to create a build-your-own-chair option where you can get all your favorite features into one chair.
bro... Imagine Gesture arms / headrest / seat deep wheel adjustment + Leap lumbar support adjustments + Amia seat... THE LAMIA GESTURE!
Karman
Hi. I saw on your video that your arm rest are pretty much aligned with your desk (same height). So is it ok that your chair doesn’t roll under your desk? I always assumed your chair should have to roll under your desk when you’re away from your computer.
Great video, what about the Amia Air? Is it as good as the regular Amia? What about the lumbar support? Thank you!
It is quite a bit different back experience. Still a nice option from Steelcase, but I prefer the fabric back for better support and comfort -GK
What office chairs should I look at if I want something that'll rock and recline more?
The Aeron has a sweet rocking motion. Only issue is that it doesn't come with a headrest -GK
@@btodtv Thank you. But I really don't like the mesh, it irritates my skin and I find it uncomfortable. May have to stick with Steelcase for now...
Where did you get your wall art?
Looks like the Series 2 doesn't have the regular back anymore. Their website only has 2 open air back styles.
Thanks for these reviews, I watched a lot and was about to purchase a Leap or Gesture recently and went to a showroom to check them out. I then discovered that Steelcase only offer a 5 year warranty in the EU which put me off entirely. Do you have any idea whether Steelcase plan to change this in future, or whether I should just opt for a different manufacturer?
They already recently changed for 5 years, why you think they'll go back?
Probably nothing major. It might just be a regulation issue or some kind of cost factor issue in executing a 5+ years warranty in the EU (maybe materials, supplies, or labour?). Gotta think about all the chairs they've put out - as long as they can all be expected to be of the same quality, there's no reason to fear that it won't last for the same 12 years, baring some kind of misuse of the product of course.
“In EMEA, for products sold directly to consumers, either via online e-commerce sites (Amazon/our online stores) or dealers, the warranty offer covers Steelcase products for a period of 5 years, is transferable and becomes effective on the day of delivery to the end-user. The 12 year warranty is applicable only for corporate customers.
All our products are made of the same high-quality materials in our factories in Germany, France or Spain, thus ensuring your product’s longevity and offering you the best support and wellbeing while you work.”
My favorite chair is Steelcase Amia.
Me too!! -GK
15:20 "This is unlimited between the minimum and maximum range." Say what? A good way to put non-existing infinity into something. xD ^^
they are sooo expensive but still don't really fit and have so much problems. this is crazy. especially the gesture.
for the series 1 is the seat suppose to shift a tiny bit? I cant figure out if it's that way so it switched between depths easier?
Excellent coverage on Steelcase series. On an unrelated note, what is the brand of the (mechanical) keyboard in the background?
Search for "Keychron mechanical keyboard"
Hi, Do you know which is the best Steelcase chair with head rest? THINK or other model ?
Very helpful review, thanks. I decided to go with the SteelCase Gesture. What's the color you have in this video? Looks very nice
Thank you. Did you get the headrest? Not sure on the color combo off hand, will have to check when we are back in the office Tuesday! -GK
@@btodtv I didn't, just the standard like the one in the video. I just see large numbers of color options and I like this color in the video. Thanks
@@morkoshenen I tried the Gesture once and what I noticed is that there is a massive swamp effect. In a minute I began to sweat. But it seems it doesn't do that to everybody.
But as it did that to me, I chose another chair (the Steelcase Please). But I miss the armrests of the Gesture which are awesome.
That Gesture looks EXACTLY like mine, which is the Cogent:Connect fabric in Graphite.
@@bobbyg15 Cool, thanks for telling me
Thanks! I wish they had a store near me to try them out. I have to buy and return until I hopefully find one good for me
Try your best to narrow it down before ordering. That will cut down on time wasted for you and money wasted on shipping for Steelcase -GK
How about CAchair High Back Sausalito?
Can't find anywhere to test a Gesture. Any ideas or advice?
If you think that is the chair for you, order it online and if it doesn't work out they have a customer friendly return policy -GK
I just ordered one from Amazon with the headrest. 30 day return window and no restocking fee.
I just bought a steelcase gesture with headrest. Everything on the chair felt good except the seat cushion. Was way to thin and firm, and felt like I was always sliding off. I am 6'3 175 lbs. Would you recommend the amia for someone as tall as me? I was also considering the Series 2 air, but the seat cushion looks thin.
What ya ended up going with? I got rid of my Gesture as well
@@sittkukk8278 gesture with headrest, i regret it. But Ive spent too many years looking, buying, and returning chairs. At a certain point I gave up. I thought fern would work but nooooo, its awful.
@@Gavinbelson Yea same here. I ve looked at so many chairs for me Logitech embody will be my last high end chair and thats the stop for me. Tired of this nonsense. Will just go back to regular chairs at this point cuz these high end cushions are a joke :(
I even contacted Btod to find a good one, but the one they recommended was not returnable and was going to take months to ship..
@@Gavinbelson That's unfortunate. Also to add, I had the Amia for a couple of days. The back was terrible imo compared to the gesture and the recline as well. The seat tbh wasn't as amazing people claim it to be. I preferred Gestures, but problem with Gesture is after an hour the pain kicks in and becomes unbearable to sit in. Like Gesture is softer but like you start to sink in the chair overtime creating pressure points. Steelcase series 2 I heard the seat is hard as a rock. Sorry for the long comment I just wanted to share my knowledge.
I've owned an Amia and it's slightly too deep for me, causing back pain from lack of support. Would the Series 2 be appropriate? They claim the seat depth is an inch shorter, can you confirm?
What did you end up getting? And may I ask how tall you are? Looking at hard at the Amia and I am told this will probably one of the best for some as short as I am (5 4'). Thanks
I have the Think V2 with a padded back. DO NOT get the knit version. The fully upholstered version is immensely comfortable and I have nothing bad to say about it. Lumbar support works great and the seat pad is among my favorites.
The Leap sounds great buy it is truly the dumpiest-looking chair. As someone who has my workspace in the living room I’m hoping to find a chair with some aesthetic value. Right now I have an Amia I took home from the office three years ago. Totally comfortable. Not super sexy. Thinking of trying a Think with upholstered back. Also interested in Haworth Fern.
I would opt for the Fern if those were my two choices -GK
@@btodtv thanks for the reply! I appreciate all the great content on your channel.
@@btodtv is this the Fern with the normal mesh? Or with the digital knit (which is unavailable in the EU)?
I went to a dealer to try out a bunch of different chairs and the Leap V2 was by faaaaar my favorite. Fern back was ok but I disliked the seat. I wanted to love the Gesture but I had the same experience as Greg feeling like I was falling forward in the seat somehow. I don't know I might still consider the Gesture. It wasn't bad by any means. But the Leap was ... leaps and bounds above the rest for me 😛 But dang it is not a sexy chair!
Will there be a leap v3 in near future? Any idea?
I'm sitting on the v1 and it's the worse chair I've ever bought. I've had $40 chairs better than this. the cushion is nonexistent after a couple days and thinking about shelling another couple hundred just so i don't have to suffer anymore.
if the amia would have tilt lock it would be perfect, anyone know if you can mod this?
Review for SILQ?
What is that stool that you have in the video?
I don't understand why the series 2 is so difficult to find anywhere second hand.
It’s new -GK
@@btodtv Of that makes sense, didn't realize it released not long ago.
New in the chair world Atleast! Takes some time for them to find the used market -GK
@@btodtv Exactly, understood, thanks!
You’re welcome. Wanted to clarify because I didn’t do a good job the first time around :) -GK
Which seat color is the leap chair?
We'll at $25, I think I'll buy 2 of the Think chairs.
Weird question maybe, but would it be possible to make a Lamia Plus using an Amia seat and Leap Plus chassis? Would it retain the 500 lbs weight limit? (Assuming yes if it fits considering the seat pad isn't structural)
Looking at buying an Amia but I'm kind of close to that 400 limit and I just want to consider my options for future proofing lol
Why wouldn't you just buy a Leap Plus? The only issue I heard about the leap seat is the lack of padding at the tailbone, but I'm not sure that'd be an issue for you. I hope that didn't come off as rude, but do you see what I'm saying?
@@jakebrowning2373 Eh, I just ended up getting a regular Amia. For now.
Steel case suck my employer buys them by the 100's at a time and all of them eventually start squaking the spring inside is a poor design. You have to take the seat off by using a long screw driver to release the stop slides off. Then you have to spray silicon spray into the holes where the lift spring is after a few days it stops squeaking. 6-12 months later it starts up again I figured this out on my own because my employer outsources the chair repair it takes several weeks to get someone out to fix it I didn't want to wait.
Steelcase Think V2 for 200 bucks from an office closing down anyone have thoughts on that?
Hello, I bought this chair 'Steelcase Personality Ergonomic Task Chair' after using it for over a month find that it is not a good one, bcz whenever i am sitting for long hours it is pulling down wards and also getting back pain.
Can you help?
Guess that chair is Asia pacific specific. But regardless of that, move out of the chair each hour or two
I am confused between personality plus and series1?
which one u went for?
Hi, which models have the adjustable seat depth?
Amia, leap v2, gesture
i’m sure those are good chairs and i get that there’s a lot of r&d behind it, but the fact that there’s so many flaws in 500-600 chairs and an headrest is 200 more tells me these things are crazy overpriced
For a 250 pounds guy, which one should I choose between Series 1 & Think v2 ?
Neither? I would look at Amia before the Think if your budget is already at the Think -GK
@@btodtv Thanks for you reply, so sad that Steelcase didn’t release Amia in Hong Kong😢
In my case, Think V2 is better than Series 1 right?
incredible videos
Shocker the more expensive, the better.
How are you saying a chair that costs more than my PC is bad? this is nuts lol can't be that bad
How do you feel between the Series 2 and the Amia if I have never used a "proper" office chair before? I'm around 5'10" or 5'11" and 220 lbs. Thanks!
Still Amia from a pure comfort standpoint -GK
Can’t believe cheapest good chairs start around 500 nowadays
why no steelcase Please review?
It is not available in the US Steelcase Store. -Ryan
Where is the Steelcase Please? :O
Every chair video I've seen, all prices, there is always something wrong with it.