Haworth is currently having a 15% off sale, too. Ended up pulling the trigger on the Soji for $445 (after taxes). Can’t wait to get it in and try it out!
@@martinh1789 took some adjusting the first month (my back/body was used to sitting in bad chairs), but it has been an AWESOME purchase. Don’t regret paying up at all.
Purchased the Fern Executive model without the lumbar support and have had it since mid-Feb of 2022. Use it at my home office and love it more than the one I use at my company's office which is the HM Aeron. I do miss the mesh seat for cooling properties but the back is so much more to my liking because it has no hard plasic edges on the seat and the back.
@@btodtv Yes, I had visited a Haworth store in my area (Houston, TX) last December and sat on all their chairs for about 2 hours and knew my back didn't need the extra support with the lumbar. I tried the regular Fern with the stock fabric and armrests and the Executive model just felt sooooo luxurious to me. Also it came with the headrest which I wanted. I just knew that if I was going to spend over $1K on a ergo chair that I wanted something that I would enjoy for many years. Also, the regular armrest on the stock felt too "sticky" compared to the executive version which has a smoother texture. Love my Fern so much than when I come home to it even after all day at my work sitting on the Herman Miller Aeron that I can relax and play PC games and watch ESPN on and recline to its full position and crack open a Yuengling :)
@@btodtv Since owning it maybe about 4 hours Monday - Friday (evenings) and a bit more on the weekends. And it's just been a solid piece of engineering. Looks amazing and doesn't give off any gamer vibes but can accomplish many tasks from sitting close to my monitor or just relaxing as far back as I can. Not sure if it was mentioned in your video, but the adjustments of the knobs and levers on it are just excellent and so easy to use. I also wanted to support the family owned business in Michigan and wanted a fully-built office task chair. Also, thank you BTOD for helping me decide on a multitude of ergonomic chairs.
After about a month of owning the Fern, I'm still a big fan. I'm quite happy I picked it up without the headrest and forward tilt, though I think I would have liked the metal base a bit more. Oh well, it's a fantastic chair. Day long chair use back pain is now completely gone.
What I would like to know is what people think of the Fern's optional lumbar support. Which people with which height like/dislike the lumbar support. I can't figure out if it's good for me or not.
We have the "no lumbar" model in the office. It is a quite decent chair without the lumbar, but then I could try the lumbar version in a store. I would say that Fern is better with the lumbar support.
Hope those are affiliate links because you just sold me and I ordered a Soji direct with Haworth. Really great video. Look forward to your future content.
I tried the soji and I have a zody at home. I would say that zodys seat is way better. Soji's is too small. But as there is a significant price diff I would say to try them if you can before buying
Thanks for all the great videos you folks do!! Can you please tell me where the Soji is made? Im close to buying either the Soji or the Steelcase series one. I have a broken back, so comfort is very important, and unfortunately Im poor as chit, so this is a big decision for me. Thank you very much!!!
It's a great chair... as long as the arm pads or back support frame is not broken.... both parts break every 2 years or something and the parts are extremely expensive.
I was debating between a few other chairs and a soji when I went into work and realized the amazing chair I've been sitting in all the time was a Very lol
Great video. Been watching your series on these Haworth chair. In my country, only Haworth is available among the "great" brands; no Steelcase, no Herman Miller. Would you recommend the Fern for a shorter guy? I'm like 5'5-5'6 tall. I'm interested to know if similarly built people in your office find the Fern comfortable for their height. Thanks!
Im testing it right now. I am 1,72m i think its near your range. Backrest is good, i dont really like the tilt, because you cant lock it to not move at all and stay in a position. Armrest fit me well at lowest point. I have no headrest and i kinda miss it. Because when i put my head back, the lowest end of my back of the head touches the chair. Its a little unfortunate. But i got it relatively cheap without headrest and lumbar for 650€.
@@Simmuh2 Thanks. I actually bought the Fern, having no means of getting a Steelcase or an Herman Miller in my area. So far, I'm enjoying it. I got the lumbar but no headrest. I didn't like how hard the headrest is. I also don't like the arm rest. The curvature of the arm rest feels off for me. Everything else, I love.
@@duanecuaresma5663 its okay for me, but it could be softer and more flat. Honestly most of the time i dont even really use them. I think its because my desk is still a little too high with mouse and keyboard. Really sucks to find good ergonomic chairs, adjustable tables and stuff when your on the smaller side
Just ordered the Zody. Never sat or had a high end chair in my life and bought the zody based on your guys recommendations, can’t wait to test it! Thank you for the video.
@@btodtv I will! In Brazil we don’t have the Steelcase brand so i couldn’t buy the Leap, the aeron was over twice the price of the zody which i paid $590 for. Would you have bought something else?
I got the zody based on the recommendation of this video and did not like it all. Build quality is great, but the seat is too firm, the chair forces you to lean back 10-15 degrees (no upright lock ). Ends up hurting my back a bunch. Ended up getting a Herman Miller embody. It’s a lot nicer and comfortable of a chair…but it’s two times the cost.
@@Yahfz yeah the chair always leans back 10-15 degs and another annoyance if you’re tall the seat only slides back and forward so it leaves a large unsupported area in the back…making it a pretty pointless adjustment. My other issue is haven’t heard back from Haworth about getting a refund. I’ve called twice in the last week. If you can float $1700-$2000 buy a Herman miller embody or aeron. Both felt fantastic and are definitely a step up in quality.
I have the Very. My only problem with it is the arm adjustments are so loose that even getting in and out of the chair, it's prone to move around, and the forward backwards adjustment on it is so loose it moves just moving my arms sometimes. Is there anything to do about that, or just how it is? I also never know where to put the lumbar lol.
I made some research and although the zody seems to look as a nice option it still has very law rating on amazon. And many people complain that it doesn't offer a full upright position. In your video recommendation for the best 10 chairs I think the zody isn't even mentioned. Would you still recommend it? Thanks
The concerns of sitting perfectly upright are valid and that is the reason I don't like it as much. Ryan keeps the mechanism unlocked and turns up the tension to sit more upright. In my opinion, I would either sit in the Soji or the Fern. I know that doesn't fit with Ryan's favorite, but that is my take -GK
Just sat in the Zody and Fern. Loved the back of the Fern. Question on the Zody - does it have a natural lean backwards when “upright?” Maybe it was the one I tested, but when sitting as upright as possible, I was still leaning back slightly. Thanks
Recently got a fully loaded used Zody in good condition for under $100 and have been very happy with it so far. Always curious what else is out there and how the Zody compares, especially to HM and Steelcase. Interested in why you guys seem to like the Zody as much as you do compared to its competitors (not that I disagree)
Seems like a SOLID score. I personally prefer Steelcase across the board, but HM and Haworth have some really solid options as well. They just don't fit my body and tasking style as comfortably -GK
I tried ALL the competitor's chairs and preferred the Zody - had mine for 10 years and love it to this day (though, time for an upgrade I'd say!). PS - I paid $100 for mind too (13 years ago!).
I got the Zody for free.. my neighbor was moving out and sold us 3 desks for $50 and gave us the chair.. It’s built like a tank and was curious about it .. and here we are.
Hey, weird situation here, I've got a choice between the Zody and the Okamura Contessa right now, both used, both in great condition. Is there a clearly better buy in this case or is it a matter a preference at this point?
I heard a terrifying rumor that digital knit is not available in europe? I am going to a local distributor on monday, so I will ask them about this. @@btodtv
I did not like my zody at all and I’m returning it. The lack of a locked upright setting is disappointing as is the back support (basically nonexistent). The chair forces me to slump back. Ended up buying a Herman Miller embody. It’s much nicer made and a lot more comfortable.
Thanks for the feedback on that model. I can see the upright sitting issue being annoying. Ryan talks about how he uses the chair in the video to avoid that problem -GK
wooooof i just picked up a zody today for $80! and then the armrests for an extra $20 from the seller. everything works except the seat up and down lever... not sure what happened because he showed us how to do it and it worked and now it doesn't. :( everything else is great though.
Hey, you guys replied to me over a month ago that you would evaluate the "neue chair". I don't want to wait that long. I'm still sitting on my dining room chair 10 hours a day because I don't want to buy anything until I hear from you guys. I would like to hear if you guys know when the video is coming yet. Sincerely.
Yes i think so, but be aware that for the seat pan to fit you, you'll have to slide it all the way out and the gap between seat and backrest bothers some folks.
@@bobbymeadors3567 Just got mine, seat pan is fine. The back is horrible for me, pushes my shoulders and neck forward, cannot get comfortable in this thing. sending it back.
@@btodtv I also started the return process for my gaming embody as I was undecided on which chair I was going to choose between the Aeron and the Embody. During the process of returning the gaming embody they did not mention charging return shipping.
I checked my local haworth dealer for the cost of ordering a Fern headrest - they wanted $500+ CAD for one! Luckily I don't want one from all the advice of videos like this and not recommended for taller users in general.
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Haworth is currently having a 15% off sale, too. Ended up pulling the trigger on the Soji for $445 (after taxes). Can’t wait to get it in and try it out!
That is a SWEET deal -GK
is it good 5 months later?
@@martinh1789 took some adjusting the first month (my back/body was used to sitting in bad chairs), but it has been an AWESOME purchase. Don’t regret paying up at all.
@@ReturnRemorse THANK YOU
@@ReturnRemorsehello it’s been a year and I came across this, is the Soji still treating you good?
Purchased the Fern Executive model without the lumbar support and have had it since mid-Feb of 2022. Use it at my home office and love it more than the one I use at my company's office which is the HM Aeron. I do miss the mesh seat for cooling properties but the back is so much more to my liking because it has no hard plasic edges on the seat and the back.
What made you decide to go without the lumbar? Did you get a chance to try it first? -GK
@@btodtv Yes, I had visited a Haworth store in my area (Houston, TX) last December and sat on all their chairs for about 2 hours and knew my back didn't need the extra support with the lumbar. I tried the regular Fern with the stock fabric and armrests and the Executive model just felt sooooo luxurious to me. Also it came with the headrest which I wanted. I just knew that if I was going to spend over $1K on a ergo chair that I wanted something that I would enjoy for many years. Also, the regular armrest on the stock felt too "sticky" compared to the executive version which has a smoother texture. Love my Fern so much than when I come home to it even after all day at my work sitting on the Herman Miller Aeron that I can relax and play PC games and watch ESPN on and recline to its full position and crack open a Yuengling :)
That's awesome. How much time do you think you spend in it each day?
@@btodtv Since owning it maybe about 4 hours Monday - Friday (evenings) and a bit more on the weekends. And it's just been a solid piece of engineering. Looks amazing and doesn't give off any gamer vibes but can accomplish many tasks from sitting close to my monitor or just relaxing as far back as I can. Not sure if it was mentioned in your video, but the adjustments of the knobs and levers on it are just excellent and so easy to use. I also wanted to support the family owned business in Michigan and wanted a fully-built office task chair. Also, thank you BTOD for helping me decide on a multitude of ergonomic chairs.
After about a month of owning the Fern, I'm still a big fan. I'm quite happy I picked it up without the headrest and forward tilt, though I think I would have liked the metal base a bit more. Oh well, it's a fantastic chair. Day long chair use back pain is now completely gone.
That's awesome to hear. A huge upgrade from your previous Clatina Mallet :) -GK
What I would like to know is what people think of the Fern's optional lumbar support. Which people with which height like/dislike the lumbar support. I can't figure out if it's good for me or not.
Did you figure it out yet ?
We have the "no lumbar" model in the office. It is a quite decent chair without the lumbar, but then I could try the lumbar version in a store. I would say that Fern is better with the lumbar support.
Hope those are affiliate links because you just sold me and I ordered a Soji direct with Haworth. Really great video. Look forward to your future content.
Mesh vs digital knit for the zody which is better
I noticed the Zody has an Executive model "Zody Executive" that has a headrest. Is it the exact same chair as the standard Zody but with a headrest?
I just bought the Soji based on your recommendation and I couldn't be happier
The under $500 chair is now $750…
You can thank the government
Now it’s $950-$1,200
Can you lock the recline on the Very, Zody or Fern? When its reclined all the way back for example
You can limit how far it goes back, but it can still go forward. can't lock it one place when it's reclined like you can some gaming chairs.
Would you say the Zody seat is more comfortable than the Soji seat? Trying to decide if the Zody is worth the extra money over the Soji.
I tried the soji and I have a zody at home. I would say that zodys seat is way better. Soji's is too small. But as there is a significant price diff I would say to try them if you can before buying
Thanks for all the great videos you folks do!! Can you please tell me where the Soji is made? Im close to buying either the Soji or the Steelcase series one. I have a broken back, so comfort is very important, and unfortunately Im poor as chit, so this is a big decision for me. Thank you very much!!!
It's a great chair... as long as the arm pads or back support frame is not broken.... both parts break every 2 years or something and the parts are extremely expensive.
How do you like the Haworth Assure?
I was debating between a few other chairs and a soji when I went into work and realized the amazing chair I've been sitting in all the time was a Very lol
Great Video. Would you rather recommend the Steelcase Gesture for about 750$ or the Haworth Zody for 630$?
$750 for a Gesture is a great price new. Personally, I'd probably go for the Gesture. But the seat pad on the Zody is more comfortable -GK
Great video. Been watching your series on these Haworth chair. In my country, only Haworth is available among the "great" brands; no Steelcase, no Herman Miller.
Would you recommend the Fern for a shorter guy? I'm like 5'5-5'6 tall. I'm interested to know if similarly built people in your office find the Fern comfortable for their height.
Thanks!
Im testing it right now. I am 1,72m i think its near your range. Backrest is good, i dont really like the tilt, because you cant lock it to not move at all and stay in a position. Armrest fit me well at lowest point. I have no headrest and i kinda miss it. Because when i put my head back, the lowest end of my back of the head touches the chair. Its a little unfortunate. But i got it relatively cheap without headrest and lumbar for 650€.
@@Simmuh2 Thanks. I actually bought the Fern, having no means of getting a Steelcase or an Herman Miller in my area.
So far, I'm enjoying it. I got the lumbar but no headrest. I didn't like how hard the headrest is. I also don't like the arm rest. The curvature of the arm rest feels off for me.
Everything else, I love.
@@duanecuaresma5663 Really want to try a steelcase gesture aswell. But nowhere local to be found
@@Simmuh2 Sucks, right? This channel really helped my buying decision.
How do you feel about the arm rest of the Fern? Too stiff?
@@duanecuaresma5663 its okay for me, but it could be softer and more flat. Honestly most of the time i dont even really use them. I think its because my desk is still a little too high with mouse and keyboard. Really sucks to find good ergonomic chairs, adjustable tables and stuff when your on the smaller side
Just ordered the Zody. Never sat or had a high end chair in my life and bought the zody based on your guys recommendations, can’t wait to test it! Thank you for the video.
Great, keep us posted on how you like it -GK
@@btodtv I will! In Brazil we don’t have the Steelcase brand so i couldn’t buy the Leap, the aeron was over twice the price of the zody which i paid $590 for. Would you have bought something else?
I got the zody based on the recommendation of this video and did not like it all. Build quality is great, but the seat is too firm, the chair forces you to lean back 10-15 degrees (no upright lock ). Ends up hurting my back a bunch. Ended up getting a Herman Miller embody. It’s a lot nicer and comfortable of a chair…but it’s two times the cost.
@@trollzone1 The no upright lock seems like a huge downside to me... I haven't received the chair yet though, man i hope i like it.
@@Yahfz yeah the chair always leans back 10-15 degs and another annoyance if you’re tall the seat only slides back and forward so it leaves a large unsupported area in the back…making it a pretty pointless adjustment. My other issue is haven’t heard back from Haworth about getting a refund. I’ve called twice in the last week.
If you can float $1700-$2000 buy a Herman miller embody or aeron. Both felt fantastic and are definitely a step up in quality.
I just received my Fern chair yesterday. The armrests are very wobbly. Is this normal?
They can be a bit wobbly, especially fully extended-GK
Any headrest for this chair?
I have the Very. My only problem with it is the arm adjustments are so loose that even getting in and out of the chair, it's prone to move around, and the forward backwards adjustment on it is so loose it moves just moving my arms sometimes. Is there anything to do about that, or just how it is?
I also never know where to put the lumbar lol.
Is the Sogi more padded than the Steelcase Amia? I know it is difficult to find a chair with thicker cushion.
No, I’d say the Amia has a more cush seat pad. But I did enjoy the Soji when I used it -GK
I made some research and although the zody seems to look as a nice option it still has very law rating on amazon. And many people complain that it doesn't offer a full upright position. In your video recommendation for the best 10 chairs I think the zody isn't even mentioned. Would you still recommend it? Thanks
The concerns of sitting perfectly upright are valid and that is the reason I don't like it as much. Ryan keeps the mechanism unlocked and turns up the tension to sit more upright. In my opinion, I would either sit in the Soji or the Fern. I know that doesn't fit with Ryan's favorite, but that is my take -GK
Sitting upright isn’t the best sitting posture. Leaning back a little is actually better for you, by 20 or so degrees
@@jeems2066 have a bad sound
Just sat in the Zody and Fern. Loved the back of the Fern. Question on the Zody - does it have a natural lean backwards when “upright?” Maybe it was the one I tested, but when sitting as upright as possible, I was still leaning back slightly. Thanks
Make bad sound
Recently got a fully loaded used Zody in good condition for under $100 and have been very happy with it so far. Always curious what else is out there and how the Zody compares, especially to HM and Steelcase. Interested in why you guys seem to like the Zody as much as you do compared to its competitors (not that I disagree)
Seems like a SOLID score. I personally prefer Steelcase across the board, but HM and Haworth have some really solid options as well. They just don't fit my body and tasking style as comfortably -GK
I tried ALL the competitor's chairs and preferred the Zody - had mine for 10 years and love it to this day (though, time for an upgrade I'd say!). PS - I paid $100 for mind too (13 years ago!).
Where did you buy from?
Do you have a current list of best chairs on your website? Could you link
We are building something new based on Tier lists we've done in the past couple months -GK
@@btodtv cool when do you think it’ll be online
The review did not show the seat adjustments that go back and forth nor did it show the height adjustments.
I got the Zody for free.. my neighbor was moving out and sold us 3 desks for $50 and gave us the chair.. It’s built like a tank and was curious about it .. and here we are.
Make bad sound
Got myself a Zody used for 63 bucks in my country Malaysia, pristine condition. Best buy ever.
yea, me too, got the herman miller embody logitech for 3$ dollars 😂 😂
How are mid range office chairs for taller users who want to game on them too?
Hey, weird situation here, I've got a choice between the Zody and the Okamura Contessa right now, both used, both in great condition. Is there a clearly better buy in this case or is it a matter a preference at this point?
I've only sat in the Contessa for a brief period of time. We like the Zody quite a bit though, Ryan especially -GK
@@btodtv zody have a bad sound
What about the Haworth LIVELY tho??
What are the differences between the Soji Essentials vs the Soji (Regular)?
If you were to sit in it for 10 hours a day which one would you choose?
The Fern if you have the budget for it. For me it would be with the digital knit back and lumbar system -Greg
I heard a terrifying rumor that digital knit is not available in europe? I am going to a local distributor on monday, so I will ask them about this. @@btodtv
What are the weight capacities of these chairs? Would you recommend them for heavy people?
This is the same question I have (260lbs).
You should review the Zody Classic Executive chair and let us know if it’s worth the $2500 price tag lol.
Zody or the leap V2? Thanks
V2 all day IMO -GK
Have you tested the so popular Neue chair by Secret Lab?
the haworth back color, is it: Moon Flower? as there is no "White"?
Moon flower is their white for mesh backs
I just got a Zody for $250 it was from Apple location that went remote. My only issue is the back although it reclines nicely, feels a little firm.
i got for 199 xD
I don’t understand how the Very is way more expensive but the arms aren’t as adjustable! At least on the one I have..
I already bought the gesture
But here you are :) -GK
I did not like my zody at all and I’m returning it. The lack of a locked upright setting is disappointing as is the back support (basically nonexistent). The chair forces me to slump back. Ended up buying a Herman Miller embody. It’s much nicer made and a lot more comfortable.
Thanks for the feedback on that model. I can see the upright sitting issue being annoying. Ryan talks about how he uses the chair in the video to avoid that problem -GK
2 hours ago I said my mum, that I need new chair. And this video appeared just now. Coincidence?
Have you ever watched our channel? -GK
Guess who is listen 😏😏 it happens to me a few times already
I think you should test out the Mavix M9 since its really comfy and not to touchy
wooooof i just picked up a zody today for $80! and then the armrests for an extra $20 from the seller. everything works except the seat up and down lever... not sure what happened because he showed us how to do it and it worked and now it doesn't. :( everything else is great though.
Hey, you guys replied to me over a month ago that you would evaluate the "neue chair". I don't want to wait that long. I'm still sitting on my dining room chair 10 hours a day because I don't want to buy anything until I hear from you guys. I would like to hear if you guys know when the video is coming yet. Sincerely.
We haven't had a chance to bring it in yet. Unfortunately, if you're waiting for our opinion it may be a while -GK
Yes please
Sitting on my dinning chair hahaha. I feel you bro.
Would a haworth Fern fit a 6'4 175 pound man?
Yes i think so, but be aware that for the seat pan to fit you, you'll have to slide it all the way out and the gap between seat and backrest bothers some folks.
@@bobbymeadors3567 Just got mine, seat pan is fine. The back is horrible for me, pushes my shoulders and neck forward, cannot get comfortable in this thing. sending it back.
Soji is amazing...nothing in the 500 range touches it, including a refurb Leap 2.
anyone got opinions on Haworth Lively?
I just returned a HM chair and they didn’t charge me returning shipping.
Which model chair did you return? -GK
@@btodtv remastered Aeron!
@@btodtv I also started the return process for my gaming embody as I was undecided on which chair I was going to choose between the Aeron and the Embody. During the process of returning the gaming embody they did not mention charging return shipping.
Thank you. Keep us posted if it changes -GK
@@johnathankim6721 Any update on that? I dont think its a return shipping fee but they charge a 10% stocking fee on the refund.
Is it really pronounced Hayworth? I've always assumed it's just like it's spelled: Haw-worth! No clue, though
That's the English language for ya
I was on the phone with a sales rep and said haw-worth and she corrected me to say hayworth
I bought a 2nd hand very chair for 30 bucks.
Gotta say, very chair, much comfortable. Wow.
Ordered and waiting until its dilivered
Which one did you order? -GK
@@btodtv ordered the fern the agent only had the one without the headrest.so went with it.
I checked my local haworth dealer for the cost of ordering a Fern headrest - they wanted $500+ CAD for one! Luckily I don't want one from all the advice of videos like this and not recommended for taller users in general.
WOW! I suppose if you try to buy a car in parts it will be 3X the price -GK
BTOD needs an onlyfans. Onlychairs?
LOL. Thanks for the laugh -GK
I'm disappointed it make a bad sound