Wow .. I used to watch you do reviews when I had my RT and now I'm about to buy 2022 r12.50 GS adventure rally myself this Saturday.... I'm definitely subscribing again to you
I went from using my phone for GPS to a Zumo XT. Most phones aren't waterproof and I actually have had battery issues and overheating issues with my phone when on tour. Zumo XT is the way to go.
On Cardo Packtalk you can still have turn by turn voice commands whilst listening to music but you can prioritise music or nav commands, really good. I'm interested to see and hear what happens with your Nav6 Mark, mine after three years and maybe 37k miles has started playing up. Nice bike Toby, I too like the Rally and may have one next year. Keep up the good work chaps, one of the only channels worth watching.
The only downside of using the BMW bike comms is you can’t use the various intercom apps. For example if I pair my phone to the bike I can’t use the Cardo app to change mesh groups. I ended up using two phones as that meant I could use the connected app. That become a faff so I no longer use the connected app. Which surprises me as I’m a right geek 😂 but it’s tech for techs sake. Plus if you move away from a bmw bike you won’t be able to access your recorded rides. I now stick with Scenic.
Nice new bike Toby, congratulations. Just tried your indicator trick on my 2021 GSA and I don't have that option in the menu so must be new for '22. As an aside I've just fitted Weiser Technik indicators to mine which cure all the woes of the BMW multifunction setup. Now have white LED's in the front indicators as DRL's which switch off when you indicate on the side you're turning. Rear ones the red tail/brake light also goes out on the side your indicating. Much better/safer setup, if a bit pricey. Carl at 'Just the Way it is' TH-cam channel has a couple of great videos on them you may want to check out.
NAV 6 I had 4 replacements in 2 years the thing is absolutely garbage. Eventually got in contact with a guy in Germany who modified the screen to eliminate the recurring faults. Cost was 200 euro so not cheap, but it was that or throw it in the bin, and when it does work it's superb. Anyway sent it off had it done, been using it a year now 20000 miles and it hasn't missed a beat.
@@markholroyd5365 he did mine and it's been perfect ever since and mine gets a hard life. Ride all year lead tours UK n Europe, expensive fix but it worked, don't understand Garmin ignoring the problem, lost em a lot of customers.
I too have changed my bike from my GS1250 and gone back in time to a 2016 F800GT... You can get GS stickers for your tank on eBay or your local BMW dealership have them. I had heard about the LEDs and bike coming with bulbs fitted, looks like we will both have to get used to that again.
thanks buddy.. Good ol' BMW limiting things so you have to buy theirs! but ill stick to the Interphone and adjusting the volume like you do through the voice commands :)
I have the exact same bike i oredered min in aug and got her in sept shes called vikki and she also comes with the halogen hlight and retrofit voucher. Annoyingly bmw have now started putting tbe led headlight on new bikes before first honouring tbe retrofit
yeah it's a bit off to not look after customers first before new bikes, but I guess its a chicken and egg thing, if they put the LED's only on existing customers bikes, they would be forever trying to catch up, but it is frustrating that we only have the bulbs for the time being, although apparently they should be getting to dealers in January ish, crossed fingers :)
Looking forward to the nav 6 update guys...let me guess the display has suffered from the well known ghosting issue where it stops working and jumps around the map. I had 3 of them and gave up and went back to a nav 5, it does everything I need in a basic sat nav and I can still use the whizz wheel. I might consider the new connected cradle in time. I also have the tft/ phone connection set up the same as Toby but works all good with the cardo packtalk and an android phone.
Great vid, excellent tips on the TFT pairing, I pick my new Triple Black GSA TE in March, which is still over 100 sleeps away, but hey ho. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the informative video. I have the BMW Connect cradle in my 2021 1250GS. It has wireless charging for the phone and good SAT/NAV connectivity through BMW Connect application. All other telephone and media work well and best part, they are all controlled by the Wonderwheel switchgear. Might not be ideal for everyone but I works well for me.
Great looking Rallye - I love my GSA in Triple Black. I have the updated Nav VI and so far, no trouble. Have you done a video showing how to mount and connect the XT? I’d much rather that than the Nav VI. Cheers…
I love it :) yeah we did a video on the XT and a mount from a company called 3DAM from Italy so the XT mounts on the bmw bracket without any modifications
I absolutely hate those "smart" indicators. Disabled them on my Triumph Tiger because I kept getting people pulling out on me because the indicators cancelled too early.
yeah they are annoying, although BMW can change them, but it involves buying the other indicators and spending money on BMW reprogramming the bike (efectively changing the spec of the bike that was ordered)........ gotta love BMW! but who on earth designed them? not great at all
Very nice bike..... thanks for the walk around and authentic objective comments. Can you comment/advise on how you (both) find the seat height on the GSA...not sure what height you guys are....but I have seen a few reviewers comment that the seat height can be off putting. I am 5'11" and have test ridden a GS and found it very accommodating but I fancy the GSA but can't seem to get a test ride at the moment. Thanks.
Great vid and all very valid comments. I was surprised that my (new to me) RS with every option ticked has bulbs too but for similar reasons. Mine’s a 2018 but even then leds were apparently in short supply. I found little difference between the navi 5 and navi 6. If someone gas the 5 it’s not worth upgrading to the 6. Biggest improvement imho between last of the 1200’s and newer 1250’s isn’t the engine imho, it’s the dynamic esa. My 2016 GSA was better than the 2018RS (more adjustment settings) but the newer auto dynamic esa in active mode is so much better than the basic and underdamped dynamic esa of the 2018 bike. I have to keep mine in dynamic mode all the time to get an acceptable damping rate. TFT I think like many over complicates things and takes too much attention iff the road. I wont use the phone when riding nor mess with music. Concentration has to be on the road unless stopped. Tried the bmw connected app and didn’t like it. For the screen I found the MRA vario-x was by far the best. Givi hand guards are great but very spendy. Will be fitting grip puppies. Makes long stints riding way mote comfortable on hands and helps prevent heated grips burning your palms off😂 Worth adding the rugged roads centre plate bash-guard under centre stand.
Congrats on the new bike. I ordered the Trophy and it came into the dealers yesterday but rejected it as it wasn't configured as ordered, bummer. I have to go to the back of the ordering Q now with a new order. Did you think of using the BMW Connected Ride Cradle (Smartphone Holder) instead of the Sat Nav? I have used a Tom Tom for a while now and didn't want to change and purchased a BMW cradle to Tom Tom convertor from Italy, 3D printed and great value.
thanks buddy for the kind words. I thought about the cradle but I prefer to have a device (Sat Nav) that just does one job and keep my phone in my pocket. Ive seen too many phone overheat on tours etc and my life is on my phone..... eek! Would make a quieter life though 🤣
Did you trade in your old bike or sell it privately? My 2019 R1250GS has done nearly 38,000 miles and I fear my dealer will give me peanuts for it when I want to update 🙄.
Hi, Thanks for the great review. Very helpful info there. Do you have a link for the Puig windscreen deflector. I need one for my standard gs 1250. Tia 😊
My gsa rallye is having her led headlight fitted on monday. I have also had a letter from head of motorrad uk offering me the £500 voucher as well as the headlight have you had your letter yet
Hi Toby are you sure you can say hey siri when the phone is connected to tft and helmet to tft. My cardo will not work and when I spoke to cardo they said it won’t as the phone is working through the tft to your headset so if you connect it that way you lose the Siri function
It’s probably got a lot to do with how smoothly you ride. When I’m on tour I get 65-72 mpg obviously not ragging it but a tank will give upwards of 390 miles. Clearly I don’t know your riding history but some advanced rider training with RoSPA or the IAM will definitely see your mpg improve. Ride safe
@@RiderCamTV i noticed my aux lights were shining up into trees on first night ride so i took carl advise from the way its is or just the way it is and aligned them with my low beam
Wow .. I used to watch you do reviews when I had my RT and now I'm about to buy 2022 r12.50 GS adventure rally myself this Saturday.... I'm definitely subscribing again to you
great to have you back buddy.. fab bike, you will love it!
Liked the video, mate. I don't calls or music when I'm riding = no problems 🤣
I went from using my phone for GPS to a Zumo XT. Most phones aren't waterproof and I actually have had battery issues and overheating issues with my phone when on tour. Zumo XT is the way to go.
Beautiful bike. Thanks for showing us around.
On Cardo Packtalk you can still have turn by turn voice commands whilst listening to music but you can prioritise music or nav commands, really good. I'm interested to see and hear what happens with your Nav6 Mark, mine after three years and maybe 37k miles has started playing up. Nice bike Toby, I too like the Rally and may have one next year.
Keep up the good work chaps, one of the only channels worth watching.
hey buddy, thanks so much for the kind words, it means a lot to us both :)
Lovely bike……I’m getting my 2022 GS1250 TE RALLYE on Friday. Can’t wait.
The only downside of using the BMW bike comms is you can’t use the various intercom apps. For example if I pair my phone to the bike I can’t use the Cardo app to change mesh groups. I ended up using two phones as that meant I could use the connected app. That become a faff so I no longer use the connected app. Which surprises me as I’m a right geek 😂 but it’s tech for techs sake. Plus if you move away from a bmw bike you won’t be able to access your recorded rides. I now stick with Scenic.
Nice new bike Toby, congratulations. Just tried your indicator trick on my 2021 GSA and I don't have that option in the menu so must be new for '22. As an aside I've just fitted Weiser Technik indicators to mine which cure all the woes of the BMW multifunction setup. Now have white LED's in the front indicators as DRL's which switch off when you indicate on the side you're turning. Rear ones the red tail/brake light also goes out on the side your indicating. Much better/safer setup, if a bit pricey. Carl at 'Just the Way it is' TH-cam channel has a couple of great videos on them you may want to check out.
Thanks for the tip on the indicators. I’ll check that channel out and have a look. Ride safe
Great blogs guys for me it helps with over 30 years on sports bike to move onto a gs because of hip pain and maybe better for my back seat rider too
Good tips on connectivity 👌, I've just swapped my 17 plate triple black for the same as yours .. itching to bang some miles on it
NAV 6 I had 4 replacements in 2 years the thing is absolutely garbage. Eventually got in contact with a guy in Germany who modified the screen to eliminate the recurring faults. Cost was 200 euro so not cheap, but it was that or throw it in the bin, and when it does work it's superb. Anyway sent it off had it done, been using it a year now 20000 miles and it hasn't missed a beat.
I’m hoping mine has been fixed by GS Station as well.
@@markholroyd5365 he did mine and it's been perfect ever since and mine gets a hard life. Ride all year lead tours UK n Europe, expensive fix but it worked, don't understand Garmin ignoring the problem, lost em a lot of customers.
I got one… nice bike. Doubt I’ll need another.
I too have changed my bike from my GS1250 and gone back in time to a 2016 F800GT... You can get GS stickers for your tank on eBay or your local BMW dealership have them. I had heard about the LEDs and bike coming with bulbs fitted, looks like we will both have to get used to that again.
if your bike has come with bulbs and it was new, BMW will change them for you with a voucher that they provide when the LED's are available
You can only control music volume via the Whizzy Wheel with the BMW Intercom. I use “Cardo volume up/down” voice command and that works well for me.
thanks buddy.. Good ol' BMW limiting things so you have to buy theirs! but ill stick to the Interphone and adjusting the volume like you do through the voice commands :)
@@RiderCamTV I've wasted so much time trying to get the BMW TFT working with an intercom & phone. Simply won't do it.
The tank seems huge… until you ride it. It feels well balanced.
I have the exact same bike i oredered min in aug and got her in sept shes called vikki and she also comes with the halogen hlight and retrofit voucher. Annoyingly bmw have now started putting tbe led headlight on new bikes before first honouring tbe retrofit
yeah it's a bit off to not look after customers first before new bikes, but I guess its a chicken and egg thing, if they put the LED's only on existing customers bikes, they would be forever trying to catch up, but it is frustrating that we only have the bulbs for the time being, although apparently they should be getting to dealers in January ish, crossed fingers :)
So were you not warned about not having the led headlight when ordering the bike tony at rotherham told me in advance
Looking forward to the nav 6 update guys...let me guess the display has suffered from the well known ghosting issue where it stops working and jumps around the map. I had 3 of them and gave up and went back to a nav 5, it does everything I need in a basic sat nav and I can still use the whizz wheel. I might consider the new connected cradle in time. I also have the tft/ phone connection set up the same as Toby but works all good with the cardo packtalk and an android phone.
It’s on it’s way back from Germany, currently stuck in Customs in Frankfurt. Ride safe
does it need a route planning for it Mark? 🤣
Great vid, excellent tips on the TFT pairing, I pick my new Triple Black GSA TE in March, which is still over 100 sleeps away, but hey ho. Keep up the good work.
Lovely bike Toby, I have to say it looks enormous
It does look huge. The tank size almost stopped me from buying it. Once you ride it, the tank size isn’t noticed. It feels soooo good to ride.
Medium v-stream screen modified by about 2.5 inch is perfect and looks way better
Thanks for the informative video. I have the BMW Connect cradle in my 2021 1250GS. It has wireless charging for the phone and good SAT/NAV connectivity through BMW Connect application. All other telephone and media work well and best part, they are all controlled by the Wonderwheel switchgear. Might not be ideal for everyone but I works well for me.
you both are awesome great watch keep up the great videos
Awesome motorcycle, congratulations, looks amazing!
Great looking Rallye - I love my GSA in Triple Black. I have the updated Nav VI and so far, no trouble. Have you done a video showing how to mount and connect the XT? I’d much rather that than the Nav VI. Cheers…
I love it :) yeah we did a video on the XT and a mount from a company called 3DAM from Italy so the XT mounts on the bmw bracket without any modifications
@@RiderCamTV thanks, I will look for it 👍
I absolutely hate those "smart" indicators. Disabled them on my Triumph Tiger because I kept getting people pulling out on me because the indicators cancelled too early.
yeah they are annoying, although BMW can change them, but it involves buying the other indicators and spending money on BMW reprogramming the bike (efectively changing the spec of the bike that was ordered)........ gotta love BMW! but who on earth designed them? not great at all
Nice bike Toby.
Hi guys , wow re connecting IPhone , do you have a video on how to connect up in step by step
we haven't got a step by step yet but will work on one :)
Very nice bike..... thanks for the walk around and authentic objective comments. Can you comment/advise on how you (both) find the seat height on the GSA...not sure what height you guys are....but I have seen a few reviewers comment that the seat height can be off putting. I am 5'11" and have test ridden a GS and found it very accommodating but I fancy the GSA but can't seem to get a test ride at the moment. Thanks.
We are both 5.10 and have no issues. Ride safe
@@markholroyd5365 Thanks Mark....
Great vid and all very valid comments. I was surprised that my (new to me) RS with every option ticked has bulbs too but for similar reasons. Mine’s a 2018 but even then leds were apparently in short supply. I found little difference between the navi 5 and navi 6. If someone gas the 5 it’s not worth upgrading to the 6.
Biggest improvement imho between last of the 1200’s and newer 1250’s isn’t the engine imho, it’s the dynamic esa. My 2016 GSA was better than the 2018RS (more adjustment settings) but the newer auto dynamic esa in active mode is so much better than the basic and underdamped dynamic esa of the 2018 bike. I have to keep mine in dynamic mode all the time to get an acceptable damping rate.
TFT I think like many over complicates things and takes too much attention iff the road. I wont use the phone when riding nor mess with music. Concentration has to be on the road unless stopped.
Tried the bmw connected app and didn’t like it. For the screen I found the MRA vario-x was by far the best. Givi hand guards are great but very spendy. Will be fitting grip puppies. Makes long stints riding way mote comfortable on hands and helps prevent heated grips burning your palms off😂
Worth adding the rugged roads centre plate bash-guard under centre stand.
Vol control via the wheel I think might work with with BT 5. Sena 20 doesn't, but Sena 50 does control by whiz wheel for me.
Congrats on the new bike. I ordered the Trophy and it came into the dealers yesterday but rejected it as it wasn't configured as ordered, bummer. I have to go to the back of the ordering Q now with a new order. Did you think of using the BMW Connected Ride Cradle (Smartphone Holder) instead of the Sat Nav? I have used a Tom Tom for a while now and didn't want to change and purchased a BMW cradle to Tom Tom convertor from Italy, 3D printed and great value.
thanks buddy for the kind words. I thought about the cradle but I prefer to have a device (Sat Nav) that just does one job and keep my phone in my pocket. Ive seen too many phone overheat on tours etc and my life is on my phone..... eek! Would make a quieter life though 🤣
@@RiderCamTV Yep, gave up on my phone many years ago with overheating, and that was in Ireland!
Toby, do those old fashioned headlamps run on paraffin 😁
I think they are dynamo powered! faster you go the brighter they get 🤣
What are the large panniers called, they look awesome.
They are the bumot defender Evo panniers :)
@@RiderCamTV They are a lovely bit of kit, do they mount on the BMW mounts or do you need something else for them?
Hi Toby, is the Puig wind deflector clip on or drill holes into main screen & fit?
Thanks Tom
Hey Tom, it’s the clip on. No drilling needed :)
I brought a brand new reg GSA earlier in the year had it 10 weeks did 2.5k miles on it, didn't like it & sold it
shame, but hopefully you found something that suits you more. great thing about motorbikes, is that there is something out there for everyone :)
Did you trade in your old bike or sell it privately? My 2019 R1250GS has done nearly 38,000 miles and I fear my dealer will give me peanuts for it when I want to update 🙄.
traded into a dealer :)
Hi, Thanks for the great review. Very helpful info there. Do you have a link for the Puig windscreen deflector. I need one for my standard gs 1250. Tia 😊
Can’t find the link but it was off Amazon
My gsa rallye is having her led headlight fitted on monday. I have also had a letter from head of motorrad uk offering me the £500 voucher as well as the headlight have you had your letter yet
Yep. Awesome isn’t it
@@RiderCamTV £500 doesnt buy much from bm i am probably going to use it to purchase the service inclusive
Hi Toby are you sure you can say hey siri when the phone is connected to tft and helmet to tft. My cardo will not work and when I spoke to cardo they said it won’t as the phone is working through the tft to your headset so if you connect it that way you lose the Siri function
yep, mine works. not sure what I did to get it working, but seems to be fine
The volume only works on the wonder wheel if you have the BMW comms connected. Won’t work with Sena or cardo units
thanks for the info buddy.. why do these companies lock the basics down just to sell their stuff.. so frustrating!
Very nice motorcycle. A full tank of petrol on that is probably worth more money than my bike.
it is a pain in the UK, need a mortgage to buy even a thimble of fuel! in Spain the government subsidise fuel! shame we don't here!
How do you get 60/65 to the gallon , I have the same bike and 54 is my maximum? What am I doing wrong ?
It’s probably got a lot to do with how smoothly you ride. When I’m on tour I get 65-72 mpg obviously not ragging it but a tank will give upwards of 390 miles. Clearly I don’t know your riding history but some advanced rider training with RoSPA or the IAM will definitely see your mpg improve. Ride safe
Toby saw 75.2mpg in France in August as well as his mate too... :) was amazed!
@@RiderCamTV Is your bike Diesel? Never heard that before on a Gas Model Boxer 😀
Does the additional wind deflector obstruct your view?
nope, its great as I look above it but it deflects enough of the air to be really comfortable :)
I got my led headlight upgrade have you got yours pal i am using my £500 seetener towards a service inclusive pack
Awesome! Yep mines booked in and I got the extra £500 too! Well worth the wait 🤩
@@RiderCamTV i noticed my aux lights were shining up into trees on first night ride so i took carl advise from the way its is or just the way it is and aligned them with my low beam
How many miles did you do on the last one?
enough that it needed to be changed :) hehehehe
Apparently the LED headlights were made in Ukraine 😢
oh blimey! apparently they are going to start appearing at dealerships in January :)
Nice bike Tobes!
Bit disappointing it doesn't make you a cuppa then wash itself though ☕💦😉
hahaha, but the pannier is big enough to put the kitchen sink in and I have DrySparkle to clean it....🤣
DrySparkle it Toby.
already done several times SJ, especially after riding in the rain and sleet and it gets rid of the road salt and grime so well :)
Change the volume on your headset as you normally would at any point
that's true, although if the phone's volume is not loud enough the headset will only give you so much.
Just found your Chanel via TubeBuddy and subbed 👍🏻
welcome aboard :)