Going by my type of champions I´d rather play vs the Horsemen anyday than the horsewomen of top. Simply bcuz kit simplicity and they are way easier to play against than the horsewoman who has so much mobility, flashy and unexpected things they can do.
I partially agree, i despise both horseriders, the 4 horsemen are practically unkillable once they're fed, insane sustain and stable dps are pain in the ass, but if they're behind they're a glorified super minions, good thing if its the enemy team, but hellish experience if it's your team(at least they can still be meatshields). The horsewomen tho, they are unpredictable, huge burst to the point they could heavily cripple you in one combo, and can get out of fights quickly, most of them are better off acting as split pushers than joining teamfights if they're behind But hey, they're better than a top lane vayne at least
I'm on the opposite side of this, I prefer playing against the horsewoman, because if you can eliminate then on the early game they will just a minion running around. While horseman there is always something in their kits that can win the game, Jax/Aatrox/renek can take enemy time and even stop the carry for sometime, darius always have that 1000 true damage pression. A weak irelia/riven/camille/fiora will do what, they can't burst and can't tank, they will be a little annoyance before been killed. They need to be at least even to be threat, but when they are ahead...
@@ramenemu_4376 just saying i despise both teams of horse riders of the apocalypse, they both have strength and weaknesses and both are pain to deal with, op said they prefer fighting the horsemen than the horsewoman , i partially agree with that statement bcs i despise both. As much as cancerous they are, i rather fight against them rather than against ranged top laners(except kayle, she's food if you pressure her in the early game) especially vayne
There's the 4 horsemen that you list (Darius, Renekton, Aatrox, Jax) There's the 4 horsewomen (Camille, Irelia, Riven, Fiora). Then there's Illaoi, who somehow manages to be both at the same time.
I would like to see you make videos on other lanes versions of this - ie the staple mages of mid lane, the most iconic bot lane duos, carry junglers or tank junglers - those sorts of things! I think you made one about mages in bot lane already so that’s the kind of thing I’d love more of!
@baptistecochennec5956 not nessecairly even without rakan xayah has been featured heavily in the last few years of proplay and is extremely easy to exploit by most adcs. She gets out traded by Draven and Lucian early out damaged by jinx and kog late out ranged by a large chunk of the adc cast and has the added stipulation of most of her damage is Gate kept by landing her e not packed into her autos. Don't get me wrong they do ALOT of damage just not as much as other adcs she's kalista if you had to aim the spears. What she has going for her is objective secure and ult. Her objective secure is better than alot of junglers late game with navori that many feathers to a non missable target can easily do 2000+ damage. And her ult makes engaging on her to 100-0 much more difficult in the late game. But any dashes on someone who understand how she works and she is screwed regardless she is still played alot. But why? Does she counter the other heavily used adc kaisa? Not really, kaisa is also short ranged but her passive makes her do way more damage early.kaisa has her ult to reposition to dodge xayah e and her e to do the same. So she's not blind pickable her damage is countered by half the cast having dashes low ranged slow adc is her objective secure and r strong enough to make her desirable enough to ignore that? What part of pro play meta makes it so she can thrive? It is characters like that I'm curious about, from every measure she shouldn't be as dominate as she is considering the missable damage aspect of her kit versus the best players in the world. Is the 1/2 second of being non targetable and objective secure enough to make up for the faults? Apparently yes, but what part of the differences between pro and solo queue meta makes it so. Same with ori she has a fantastic ult good for ccing the team and doing ALOT of damage. But why Her and not someone like anivia kennan or fiddle who also have aoe ults relatively easy cc and fantastic area control? I find the proplay formula of a mix of damage unpredictable cc objective secure safe neutral and supportive capabilities interesting and the characters who break the status quo even more so.
@@baptistecochennec5956 also what exactly in their kit makes them broken/ blind pickable? If so why are they in pro play jail in the first place? If they are so broken and blind pickable mains who devote years of their life to 1 champion in solo queue should see alot of success but their winrates are still sub par in high elos where the mechanicle skill should be enough to make them workable. But they arent. Proplay has a different meta then solo queue thanks to coms and it being a team that practice with each other ALOT. so seeing vars take on what aspect of their kit makes them so good in one specific scenario that they have to be ruined for the rest of the player base and possible changes to their kit to get them out of the cell seems interesting
@@dragonsreingsupreme1 first xayah is nowhere near proplay jail, the only adc that really are are kalista, lucian and arguably ezreal. second lets do a list of everything she has : - best botlane in the game with another popular and kinda broken support (Btw this alone pretty much fuck up draft every time she is popular) (rakan) - counter to one of the most popular adc (kaisa) - not very strong in lane but undivable making her very good against agressive early game adc like draven, kalista or lucian which are all popular - scales incredibly well idk why you are saying the opposites she has aoe dmg for 50% of her ad + 55% bonus atk speed she hit very hard in the lategame with her auto alone and isnt at all dependent on her e for dmg when she has item - she also really doesnt have short range in teamfight bc of her passive which allow her to hit the backline while not taking much risk - one of the best self peel adc in the game with the side effect of completely shutting down any draft based around engage - and she secure objective too idk that seems pretty a lot and pretty good reason to dominate and to respond as to why ori is a staple but not anivia, fiddle and kennen i will say 1) kennen is also very popular not as much but still 2) fiddle and anivia dont belong in the same category as ori, anivia doesnt have nearly the same amount of wombo combo as ori and fiddle need vision which is pretty hard in proplay Also ori is arguably the best laner in the midlane dominating or atleast being even with pretty much with anyone (something anivia and fiddle cant), she also combo incredibly well with engage support (popular) and diver (EXTREMELY popular pretty much every bruiser jng is a diver) something nor fiddle nor anivia do. I hope that's readable
@@dragonsreingsupreme1 Versatile, Have a defined role, strong in lane with pretty much no bad matchup or at the very least cant really hard lose and either scale well, spike in the midgame or destroy the early game. Pretty much any popular champ that's redundant in pro fit all those category, EVERY soloq nightmare that isnt proplayed a lot doesnt. Renek, gnar, ksante, lee, xin, vi, ori, azir, ahri, naut, rakan, kalista, lucian, etc all of them fit that description imo Why do people dont play them in high elo ? First that's false lots of them are still played except when they are kneecapped, Second you need to play correctly to win with them and that mean being good at the champ yes, but that also means having a somewhat correct draft, a gameplan and no tilter rageqing and going 0/10 in 5 min.
0:30 As someone with hundreds of games in Iron to Silver I can say with full confidence that absolutely noone plays Renekton down there, my guess is that the reason for this is that he mainly punishes high mechanics champions like Riven which is also rare down there, but what do i know.
idk, im a diamond player, nothing too special, but everytime i play in a smurf to duo with friends who are new to league i just play/recomend them to play renek and its free win. nobody knows how to stand your early game nor punish your lategame weaknesses
I would say renek is a champ that teaches fundamentals that gets you to gold as long as you play with at least 7 brain cells this coming from someone that got plat for the first time as renek a few years ago and is still one of my main champs when in top lane (I traded to jg though in s10 and now main lightning bear).
idk i think he should be pretty fine to pull off in low elos i quite litterally started to play him while smurfing with my friends and for the first 10 games i played exactly the same and i never had an issue
I really think that the execution of Renekton is just so good. He is a drain tank, skirmisher who gets hardly punished for not taking dominance in lane, favoring those who understand the fundamentals of lane (lvl timers, wave management and prio), do to having less of a scale compared to other top champions. Plus, he is a really good response against the wind brothers... So its a green flag for me!
Renekton is one of those champions that is made or broken by itemization. Every time he is strong it’s because he abuses a specific overturned item. It has at different times been botrk, cleaver, hydra, and now sundered and shojin.
Those champs: exist. My 1-7 ADC: oh, a bunch of creeps near their inner toplane turret, I might finally get my first item, what could possibly go wrong?
Main gripe with Renekton is how much of a short end of the stick he gets thanks to items being broken. Rios balancing team has an specific MO when it comes to champion and item balance. 1. Release broken item with no play-testing (PBE is a lie) 2. Item has an specific interaction with a champ (Renekton) that makes said champ incredibly broken 3. Pros abuse the hell of that champ because of the item. 4. Riot takes notice and decides to release nerfs throughout time to put the champ in a more stable state. 5. The champ is completely useless without the item, so people will still play it with it. 6. Riot finally realizes the item is the one thats broken because other champs statted to buld it. 7. Nerf the item to a stable state. 8. The champ that used to abuse the item is forgotten by Riot and never buffed. 9. Another broken item releases that buffs the champ 10. Rinse and repeat.
@@einjharrelraca Mages getting shafted out of midlane into support is sad. Mostly since I hate seeing mages as supports and facing off against Heimer or Zyra as a Rell is a nightmare. But can't blame them, Rito thought it would be funny for mages to get nerfed because of the crazy overtuned items they made.
@@soulstalker4624 they do it every pre season. they always either give mages a turbo busted item, just so they can hit the entire class with the riot special, OR they put out some batshit insane new lethality item that lets assassins invalidate mages even harder than they already do.
i used to be a horsewomen player but it honestly got really hard because let's be honest, unlocking their kits the higher you go requires more and more mechanical skill through spacing, trading, damage maximization. and while these are all skills applicable to all champions, doing these things as renekton, aatrox, and jax are so much more easier. there's a reason that every single LPL toplaner last year had at least 2 of them or all 3 of them as their main champs in pro play. a fed horsewoman killing you in 1 second is definitely scary but jax, aatrox, and renekton being able to do that to your whole team in 3 seconds is even scarier. so many games I've won off of one good leap counterstrike, one good r -> e1 -> emp q -> w -> e2 on renekton, and one q2 -> q3 on aatrox. literally pressing all ur buttons after a good landing phase = a win
I’m about to go on break and I go “I don’t think I’ve seen this Vars video yet” and then I see ‘1 hour ago’. That’s Vars for ya; posting exactly when you need him to 🙏🙏🙏
Not Aatrox. His winrate isn't a reflection of how busted he really is. His winrate is low because 50% of the time he picks first and gets hard counterpicked. Add in the games where he just get messed over by luck of the draw on teammates and he's sub 50%. Yet still a sky high pickrate at all ranks because anything that isn't a direct counter he just rolls over. He isn't balanced by his kit. He's balanced by how hard he is counterpicked. Aatrox is played so often that his counter picks have an inflated pick and win rate that makes them look better than they actually are.
@@tristan6773 Kennan absolutely stomps him. Almost all games Kennan plays in at Master+ are against Aatrox. He sits at a absurdly high win rate and game played because of it. Aatrox is picked about 10% of the time. Around a third of all Aatrox games are against Kennan at high ELO. That's Kennan's entire 3% pick rate. It would be higher but Kennan's ban rate is absurd for how often he is played, almost bans from an Aatrox's are for Kennan.
@@tristan6773 as an aatrox otp, o feel like i have a good understanding of which champions beat aatrox: The usual fiora and irelia, but a good aatrox player will beat you if you first time fiora or irelia. Even though aatrox is strong against ranged champs, vayne, kennen, kayle and quinn are very hard lanes. Further more: aatrox doesnt like to be all-inned. Champs with a dash to get on top of the world ender, tryndamere, renekton, darius+ghost etc. Since aatrox Q doesnt deal %-health damage, malphite and ornn are almost unwinnable lanes. DO NOT pick sion, cho or mundo: they get eaten alive by aatrox. To round this stupidly long and pointless comment off: aatrox doesnt like dashes or movement speed. If you are really desperate: zed, leblanc, lillia etc. Will destroy aatrox late game, no matter how fet he is
@@halycon404 so Kennen* is one counter, what are the others? I dunno, I don’t see him that often and he def doesn’t always win. Super clunky and slow champ with many openings for punishment. Irelia and Fiora however can lose lane hard, but it doesn’t matter at all cause their designs just let them be relevant anyway.
@@lachlanstory9929 vayne is a meme, quinn is as well, nobody is playing kennen outside of proplay and teemo is also a meme. tf is one of em akshan only if you are druttut idk who the other 2 could be
@@bullettime1116tf top is just a recent trend, akshan is really hard to execute well and isnt that much of a nightmare, all of the other 4 are not memes, they are all ok, and a nightmare to play against
@@nimrodszocs2795 I never have issues against any of them with my main and they generally all have shit winrates in that role unless your in the top 20% of the playerbase, that's why I call em memes. Nobody is winning with kennen or Quinn in low elo and nobody is playing Quinn in high elo, same with teemo
I'm so surprised to see Aatrox and Jax here, I didn't know that many people played them. And I also thought Darius is only a low elo threat. Renekton is the one I entirely understand.
Aatrox and jax have really good pickrates, and darius is good in anything that’s soloq, he can punish the smallest spacing mistake to hit just w or e and after that ur dead.
Can you do a video (or videos) based on the unique relationship between different roles? For instance, Jungle and Mid (Biggest Impact) Jungle and Support (Map Control Roles), Mid and Top (Lane Swap when needed) ADC and Top (Highest Pressure) or ADC and Support (Forced Partners).
pretty sure he only actually hates playing against renekton and jax (both are constantly in his perma ban pool), the other two he has counters he can play
@@sheepenjoyer3007 nah you're actually restarted if you think druttut only complains about any champ he doesn't play when all of the champ he's whining about are all stat checkers and he's also called out riot for leaving akshan ,briar ,Camille, Viego and naafiri when they were obviously very op but they refused to nerf them for many months
@@torii5307 nah every time I see druttut facing one of these champs you can clearly see how he deeply hates them because of how op they are especially early game
I would also personally add Sett to this group. He excels in both team fights and single 1v1s. His W especially almost feels like an infinite use ability just because of how good it is. He struggles a bit with range but his ultimate is decent sized and he has his E to keep opponents near him.
Issue is Sett cant really thrive in pro-play's environment thanks to mobility creep and damage creep. Sure, Sett can output 5k worth of true damage with one W, but that alone needs items and good positioning to acomplish, sometimes as Sett I've been cc'd longer than I can W, making W instakill impossible. I'd even say League has also a CC creep, since nowadays its so easy for teammates to pile cc on top of cc. Though Sett does excel in low elo where he exploits lack of positioning, distancing and overall trading knowledge, never go all-in on Sett.
@@PsychoticBacon19 I’m not sure if he is 200 years. I think Sett was over buffed when he first came out but now he is fine. 200 years implies he has stuff in his kit that gets rid of his weaknesses or doesn’t fit his archetype
@@noodlesandeggs1512 I think skooch did a video on this. Sett gets stronger the lower in health he gets plus his regeneration also ramps up so everytime you damage him, he'll hit you back with even more damage. Seems like burst would be the answer then? Well no because if you burst him, you'll allow hit to hit max grit. There's other examples for Sett, but I'd suggest watching the video at that point.
Another thing the Horsemen have going for them (Including the honourable mentions) is that a lot of them have notably more build fluidity and flexibility depending on what they are going against. Playing Jax and the enemy has a lot of kiting/peeling to make it hard to stick? Just go AP and become a dive bomber.
As time goes on, we could add skarner aswell. His design makes it that every matchup is kinda playable. He scales well, has good neutral game, provides CC and has an escape tool. Skarner is not overdesigned, but designed way too perfectly.
Tbh all of the four horsemen are fair to play against. The four horse women have been so broken at one time or another they were impossible to deal with.
@@Bendzsike eh not really, Mord is pretty weak early game. Hes just that guy who just farms and avoids fights and then randomly all ins you and you get tilted that you die and start running it down. At least thats how its been working for me down in iron.
@@baptistecochennec5956 Have you ever considered that I might be iron because I haven’t been playing ranked for that long? I started in iron 3 and have been playing ranked for 2 weeks with 2 games a day
Since the introduction of jungle route assistance, EVERY jungler below diamond4 is starting from bottom camps and pathing towards top. It ALWAYS recommends to start from bottom camps and path to top. If youre playing toplane below diamond4, you are ALWAYS involved in 2v2 fight at 3:30 minute mark. So your premises are wrong.
I will add Malphite to this group if it's possible. Sure he's not the flashiest or strongest but overal very useful as long as he has his R even when he's behind. Doesn't matter how much damage he can deal since one good ult in teamfight is all it takes to make a come back
Love your vids, one of my favourite LoL content creators, even tho you hate on Yone a lot, you always find fresh ideas and topics around league that aren't just TIER LIST patch X.XX. But I have to say sometimes you don't speak clearly enough(maybe too fast and your tone is kind of silent by default) and I have to rewind and listen carefully to understand what you said. Like you want to get rid of some text lines too fast or casually, hard to pin point, because it doesn't happen often, but I had to mention it, everyone can improve 🙂 Love the good work and effort, keep it up! 👌
I think Sett deserves at least an honorable mention sure, he gets shit on by ranged champions whether it's mages or marksman but in lane he's really strong
The true horsemen of top lane are Lord Colonel Major Centurion Kled, High Major Commodore of the First Legion Third Multiplication Double Admiral Artillery Vanguard Company Kled, Lord Major Admiral of the Second Legion's Forward Artillery-Cavalry Multiplication Kled and Sir Admiral Major Kled. Also Skaarl is the only true horsewoman.
highest ratio on a single ability? Surely you meant basic ability but some champions beg to differ. tristana's E will go up to 439% if you proc it with 4 aas and abilities, but if u have some crits the damage is multiplied again, up to 133% (so a total 583%) Garen's E if you go full crit will also go absolutely bonkers and can go over 800 ad ratio anyways he's still in the top 5 for sure
Bro i feel so bad for renekton, he’s such an item based champ but with the item nerfs he isn’t nearly as strong as he was but riot refuses to buff him even a little or give back gore drinker
Still surprised about the low talk of literal horsewoman/man lillia/hecarim top and their proxy potential 😂 Also Honorable mention for 5th horseman Sett 🫠👍
I think the main reason people don't have them as much, is that you can outplay them much easily. It's fairly easy to dodge aatrox Q's, jax and renek engage is somewhat predictable, and darius just requires good spacing. But people also hate darius bcuz his passive is very stat checky, and jax just splitpushes if he's behind and stat checks with Tri+W
"But Aatrox's popularity comes from the fact that he's probably closect you can get to safe blindpick" I thought his was popularity COMES from his voicelines.
I think the difference with these champions versus the four horse women though is that these champions are way more volatile it doesn’t seem like not too long ago Renekton was at the bottom of the top lane tier along with at some point Jax and Darius. But I don’t think at any point the four horse women have ever been below a tier. And often times it is due to item Nerfs and not Nerfs to the champion themselves. Riot definitely seems to favor them along with any sword boy..
You used malphite as an example of what darius counters which couldnt be further from the truth as he can sort of flex into a range playstyle and gets speed+slow on q and r which is effectuvely a get out of jail free card.dariys enjoys immobile short range matchups the most.
hey Vars can you pls make a video on Pantheon syndrome where champions have so good base numbers they become supports (pantheon, sett, ashe, chamile) and if they are ok for the game. love your vids btw
Camille doesnt have good base numbers, she just has really useful ranged engage in her e, that’s it, it’s just that the ability is broken, and she scales really well too
@@munchiemunchie5226Darius sucks too if u know what ur doing. It should be Aatrox, Jax, Renekton, Gnar. I’m picking Gnar even though he’s ranged but he’s good in every elo, pro play, and is somewhat of a fighter as mega gnar . Being good in masters+ and pro play is not something morde or Darius have Then there should be another four horsemen of bruisers good in low elo Darius, Garen, Sett, Morde. Having a dash really changes everything imo
@@weegeearmy1391 That's... Misleading. Knar is a Pro play champion because of the ability to co-ordinate his strong cc with teammates. Darius is definitely not easy to beat ever? That's just wild, Knar is far easier to beat in lane. You're not really wrong but I can't agree with you either.
It's funny as a poppy main I counter seven of eight horseman/horsewomen. It's weird how many people don't play poppy considering that she counters the most annoying shit in top Lane. She's an excellent counter pick.
Most people who play top like making the first move, they hate waiting. Poppy is one of the best champions in the game at punishing first moves or preventing them outright but you have to wait and Jax mains hate waiting...(for Annie)
Rene and Jax are fun fights, Darius is just patience test and courage to actaully try to fight him at right time. Aatrox however is very abnoxious lane bully. I always feel like fighting a boss in Elden ring, one bad dodge/mistake and he runs me over.
Tbh, I don't even remember last time I seen Jax in my game on toplane. For me he feels kinda unpopular and when he gets picked, he doesn't really do much
Aatrox is a horseman? The other 3 were pretty much pick or ban at many points without being conceptually busted. For the most part before the healing reduction adjustment, aatrox was okay except when his items were busted or when he had the revive
Hey! I really appreciate your efforts, keep the good work. İ wanted to aşk somthing, i cant decide which champion to play on top lane so i need a little help, the champion i would like to play with must be durable and strong in team fights, weak in early but better in middle and late game, some good health regeneration or just a strong and hard to break self shield against physical and magical damage, maybe some poke and cc abilities, huge hp, a tank would be really cool, a tank who could tank a whole team ör at least 3 4 enemies without much effort, which champion would you recommend?
4:51 which is why he is badly designed, I forget the reason why mana is even a thing, the point is reasource management, Aatrox should use mana or a different kind of reasource, maybe reflect his old kit by having his abilities use health so you have to make you of your healing to make every hit count or have a unique one I though of a blood bar were he has to deal damage first to be able to use his abilities, upon reaching maximum he gains increased healing and regeration of it however it will deplet overtime, the issue with it is lower control over it espically when it reaches full. So I'd say health would make more sense, Maybe add the blood hell of healing as an extra thing to work around since I'm seeing in some clips he's gonna struggle with probably taking alot fo health from him or maybe he already has enough maybe he does already since of the clips that showed so much healing taken.
Jax loses against a Fiora (honestly, everyone loses against her), and is neutral to good with other enemies. My favorite match-up is Darius since it discourages Jax from going all in (despite that being his strength) since Darius's all-in is arguably the strongest (getting 2-3 items worth of AD is not a joke).
@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904 jax doesn’t lose to fiora, it’s her hardest matchup because he scales extremely well throughout the entire game. it’s a high skill matchup for sure but the window for Fiora to win is actually pretty small compared to the rest of her matchups. Jax is infact infuriating to play against if you’re playing Fiora/camille/irelia, it’s only riven who can do subpar decent.
@@shaan2639 Wait really? In my experience with fighting against Fiora, she's like the hardest one to fight against. Her Vitals procs are really annoying to play against, and she deals more damage than Jax after he uses his E (and Fiora uses her W). With Riven though it kinda depends. Most Riven players want to go all-in and ALWAYS bring Ignite in toplane, so I usually play around that by playing safe and trying to rush Steraks (really good item against executes).
@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904 yeah isn’t there the whole thing of fiora’s q not going through jax’s counterstrike? he can always time his e stun so it’s always harder for fiora to play alongside that whereas other forms of cc are easier to predict. Since lethal tempo removal Jax has been a bit easier to deal with but even in lane with grasp/sheen he just chunks too much.
Going by my type of champions I´d rather play vs the Horsemen anyday than the horsewomen of top. Simply bcuz kit simplicity and they are way easier to play against than the horsewoman who has so much mobility, flashy and unexpected things they can do.
I partially agree, i despise both horseriders, the 4 horsemen are practically unkillable once they're fed, insane sustain and stable dps are pain in the ass, but if they're behind they're a glorified super minions, good thing if its the enemy team, but hellish experience if it's your team(at least they can still be meatshields). The horsewomen tho, they are unpredictable, huge burst to the point they could heavily cripple you in one combo, and can get out of fights quickly, most of them are better off acting as split pushers than joining teamfights if they're behind
But hey, they're better than a top lane vayne at least
I'm on the opposite side of this, I prefer playing against the horsewoman, because if you can eliminate then on the early game they will just a minion running around. While horseman there is always something in their kits that can win the game,
Jax/Aatrox/renek can take enemy time and even stop the carry for sometime, darius always have that 1000 true damage pression.
A weak irelia/riven/camille/fiora will do what, they can't burst and can't tank, they will be a little annoyance before been killed. They need to be at least even to be threat, but when they are ahead...
Agreed. Gimme a 1 trick darius over a 1 trick irelia
@@koven-thecovenantofmerakya5060 Darius, Jax, and Aatrox are literally always a problem. I have no clue what you're talking about.
@@ramenemu_4376 just saying i despise both teams of horse riders of the apocalypse, they both have strength and weaknesses and both are pain to deal with, op said they prefer fighting the horsemen than the horsewoman , i partially agree with that statement bcs i despise both. As much as cancerous they are, i rather fight against them rather than against ranged top laners(except kayle, she's food if you pressure her in the early game) especially vayne
There's the 4 horsemen that you list (Darius, Renekton, Aatrox, Jax)
There's the 4 horsewomen (Camille, Irelia, Riven, Fiora).
Then there's Illaoi, who somehow manages to be both at the same time.
it’s actually funny that illaoi has a hugely different win con with each one of the horsemen and horsewomen
Renekton isn't a horseman. he's a crocman.
horsecroc
wait that sounds a bit familiar...
@@ThundererR64T sounds like something I unfortunately massively lack
@@ThundererR64T yeah you're going to jail
No, he's a Florida man.
A horseman video without Hecarim? blasphemy!
He even used to be a toplaner!
Hes not a horseman anymore hes a horse man
Now I want a Vars video discussing the hooved trio of Hecarim, Rell and Lillia in the same video. Just, like, for reasons.
What?@@Hallorenzo
IKR! the audacity & atrocity are beyond me
I would like to see you make videos on other lanes versions of this - ie the staple mages of mid lane, the most iconic bot lane duos, carry junglers or tank junglers - those sorts of things!
I think you made one about mages in bot lane already so that’s the kind of thing I’d love more of!
I mean, the kinda problem with that is that other lanes are much more volatile, so they get less stable in their picks...
@@metrux321 Yeah sure, but you have for example THOSE bot lane duos that are iconic, Twitch/Lulu, Cait/Morgana, Lucian/Braum, etc
It obviously viego lee sin kha zix and maybe lillia for jungle carries
I would love to see a series on proplay jail. Looking specifically at what traits in their kit keep them there.
The trait are not hard to see. Does they have a broken/always good and blindpickable kit
@baptistecochennec5956 not nessecairly even without rakan xayah has been featured heavily in the last few years of proplay and is extremely easy to exploit by most adcs. She gets out traded by Draven and Lucian early out damaged by jinx and kog late out ranged by a large chunk of the adc cast and has the added stipulation of most of her damage is Gate kept by landing her e not packed into her autos. Don't get me wrong they do ALOT of damage just not as much as other adcs she's kalista if you had to aim the spears. What she has going for her is objective secure and ult. Her objective secure is better than alot of junglers late game with navori that many feathers to a non missable target can easily do 2000+ damage. And her ult makes engaging on her to 100-0 much more difficult in the late game. But any dashes on someone who understand how she works and she is screwed regardless she is still played alot. But why? Does she counter the other heavily used adc kaisa? Not really, kaisa is also short ranged but her passive makes her do way more damage early.kaisa has her ult to reposition to dodge xayah e and her e to do the same.
So she's not blind pickable her damage is countered by half the cast having dashes low ranged slow adc is her objective secure and r strong enough to make her desirable enough to ignore that? What part of pro play meta makes it so she can thrive?
It is characters like that I'm curious about, from every measure she shouldn't be as dominate as she is considering the missable damage aspect of her kit versus the best players in the world. Is the 1/2 second of being non targetable and objective secure enough to make up for the faults? Apparently yes, but what part of the differences between pro and solo queue meta makes it so.
Same with ori she has a fantastic ult good for ccing the team and doing ALOT of damage. But why Her and not someone like anivia kennan or fiddle who also have aoe ults relatively easy cc and fantastic area control? I find the proplay formula of a mix of damage unpredictable cc objective secure safe neutral and supportive capabilities interesting and the characters who break the status quo even more so.
@@baptistecochennec5956 also what exactly in their kit makes them broken/ blind pickable? If so why are they in pro play jail in the first place? If they are so broken and blind pickable mains who devote years of their life to 1 champion in solo queue should see alot of success but their winrates are still sub par in high elos where the mechanicle skill should be enough to make them workable. But they arent. Proplay has a different meta then solo queue thanks to coms and it being a team that practice with each other ALOT. so seeing vars take on what aspect of their kit makes them so good in one specific scenario that they have to be ruined for the rest of the player base and possible changes to their kit to get them out of the cell seems interesting
@@dragonsreingsupreme1 first xayah is nowhere near proplay jail, the only adc that really are are kalista, lucian and arguably ezreal.
second lets do a list of everything she has :
- best botlane in the game with another popular and kinda broken support (Btw this alone pretty much fuck up draft every time she is popular) (rakan)
- counter to one of the most popular adc (kaisa)
- not very strong in lane but undivable making her very good against agressive early game adc like draven, kalista or lucian which are all popular
- scales incredibly well idk why you are saying the opposites she has aoe dmg for 50% of her ad + 55% bonus atk speed she hit very hard in the lategame with her auto alone and isnt at all dependent on her e for dmg when she has item
- she also really doesnt have short range in teamfight bc of her passive which allow her to hit the backline while not taking much risk
- one of the best self peel adc in the game with the side effect of completely shutting down any draft based around engage
- and she secure objective too
idk that seems pretty a lot and pretty good reason to dominate
and to respond as to why ori is a staple but not anivia, fiddle and kennen i will say
1) kennen is also very popular not as much but still
2) fiddle and anivia dont belong in the same category as ori, anivia doesnt have nearly the same amount of wombo combo as ori and fiddle need vision which is pretty hard in proplay
Also ori is arguably the best laner in the midlane dominating or atleast being even with pretty much with anyone (something anivia and fiddle cant), she also combo incredibly well with engage support (popular) and diver (EXTREMELY popular pretty much every bruiser jng is a diver) something nor fiddle nor anivia do.
I hope that's readable
@@dragonsreingsupreme1 Versatile, Have a defined role, strong in lane with pretty much no bad matchup or at the very least cant really hard lose and either scale well, spike in the midgame or destroy the early game.
Pretty much any popular champ that's redundant in pro fit all those category, EVERY soloq nightmare that isnt proplayed a lot doesnt.
Renek, gnar, ksante, lee, xin, vi, ori, azir, ahri, naut, rakan, kalista, lucian, etc all of them fit that description imo
Why do people dont play them in high elo ? First that's false lots of them are still played except when they are kneecapped, Second you need to play correctly to win with them and that mean being good at the champ yes, but that also means having a somewhat correct draft, a gameplan and no tilter rageqing and going 0/10 in 5 min.
0:30 As someone with hundreds of games in Iron to Silver I can say with full confidence that absolutely noone plays Renekton down there, my guess is that the reason for this is that he mainly punishes high mechanics champions like Riven which is also rare down there, but what do i know.
renekton requires more skill than jax or darius because of fury management and trade patterns
@@dreamergamer9291also that he is always weak as fuck due to his prominence in pro play
idk, im a diamond player, nothing too special, but everytime i play in a smurf to duo with friends who are new to league i just play/recomend them to play renek and its free win. nobody knows how to stand your early game nor punish your lategame weaknesses
I would say renek is a champ that teaches fundamentals that gets you to gold as long as you play with at least 7 brain cells this coming from someone that got plat for the first time as renek a few years ago and is still one of my main champs when in top lane (I traded to jg though in s10 and now main lightning bear).
idk i think he should be pretty fine to pull off in low elos i quite litterally started to play him while smurfing with my friends and for the first 10 games i played exactly the same and i never had an issue
should have been called the four pillarmen of top
AYAYAYAA ゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴゴ
Yes!
To be honest if it was called that and it didn't had trundle on the list i would have been GREATLY disappointed
Why do i automatically hear the song.. AYAYAYAYAAA~~~
Hard to imagine toplane without this champions.
You can argue that Aatrox is something of a vampire himself
Love how you used Ridley’s theme from Smash Bros Ultimate for the video. Shows the meaning of doom and dread, yes the last part was intended.
I really think that the execution of Renekton is just so good. He is a drain tank, skirmisher who gets hardly punished for not taking dominance in lane, favoring those who understand the fundamentals of lane (lvl timers, wave management and prio), do to having less of a scale compared to other top champions. Plus, he is a really good response against the wind brothers... So its a green flag for me!
I agree. Renekton is so nicely designed and would have been my number1 pick for toplane but I sadly suck
Sadly his best build is burst 1 shot due to his wack scaling that you need to play him perfect otherwise you fall off hard
Whaaat are you even talking about? Renecton and similar to him champs should be deleted or reworked.@@Zobuyta
Renekton is one of those champions that is made or broken by itemization. Every time he is strong it’s because he abuses a specific overturned item. It has at different times been botrk, cleaver, hydra, and now sundered and shojin.
@@JuristPugilist That's true for most non-supports in the game tbf. Item balance can determine if whole swathes of champs are playable or not
Those champs: exist.
My 1-7 ADC: oh, a bunch of creeps near their inner toplane turret, I might finally get my first item, what could possibly go wrong?
Proceeds to get jumped by Jax followed with a stun and boom 1-8
"Most point click stuns are only 1 second"
Meanwhile Fiddlesticks' Q fearing for 2.25 seconds from range:
REAL for Four horse(?)man(?)
-Hecarim
-Kled
-Rell
-Sejuani
The mountfellas
Nunu?
Learning Kled atm because I feel he’s so underplayed rn that you can catch people off guard or knowledge check. Like the Sejuani top otp that I met
Main gripe with Renekton is how much of a short end of the stick he gets thanks to items being broken.
Rios balancing team has an specific MO when it comes to champion and item balance.
1. Release broken item with no play-testing (PBE is a lie)
2. Item has an specific interaction with a champ (Renekton) that makes said champ incredibly broken
3. Pros abuse the hell of that champ because of the item.
4. Riot takes notice and decides to release nerfs throughout time to put the champ in a more stable state.
5. The champ is completely useless without the item, so people will still play it with it.
6. Riot finally realizes the item is the one thats broken because other champs statted to buld it.
7. Nerf the item to a stable state.
8. The champ that used to abuse the item is forgotten by Riot and never buffed.
9. Another broken item releases that buffs the champ
10. Rinse and repeat.
Happens to a lot of champs.
Riot is just stupid
and here you see why mages are PISSED right now.
@@einjharrelracamages were strong for like the first 2 weeks of each split this year
@@einjharrelraca Mages getting shafted out of midlane into support is sad.
Mostly since I hate seeing mages as supports and facing off against Heimer or Zyra as a Rell is a nightmare.
But can't blame them, Rito thought it would be funny for mages to get nerfed because of the crazy overtuned items they made.
@@soulstalker4624 they do it every pre season. they always either give mages a turbo busted item, just so they can hit the entire class with the riot special, OR they put out some batshit insane new lethality item that lets assassins invalidate mages even harder than they already do.
i used to be a horsewomen player but it honestly got really hard because let's be honest, unlocking their kits the higher you go requires more and more mechanical skill through spacing, trading, damage maximization. and while these are all skills applicable to all champions, doing these things as renekton, aatrox, and jax are so much more easier. there's a reason that every single LPL toplaner last year had at least 2 of them or all 3 of them as their main champs in pro play. a fed horsewoman killing you in 1 second is definitely scary but jax, aatrox, and renekton being able to do that to your whole team in 3 seconds is even scarier. so many games I've won off of one good leap counterstrike, one good r -> e1 -> emp q -> w -> e2 on renekton, and one q2 -> q3 on aatrox. literally pressing all ur buttons after a good landing phase = a win
You know they are staple picks,when you main 2 of them, occasionally use one as a counterpick and perma ban the other
You ban jax right? RIGHT?
@@DoloresBTW 😈
@@thereaper7926 am I correct pls answear ill never be in peace if i dont know
@@DoloresBTW yes I ban jax lol,fuck that champ
I’m about to go on break and I go “I don’t think I’ve seen this Vars video yet” and then I see ‘1 hour ago’. That’s Vars for ya; posting exactly when you need him to 🙏🙏🙏
thats got to be one of the hardest thumbnails vars has made yet
Great video. Hopefully someday a four horsewomen/horsemen for the other lanes will be a future video.
I respect these guys so much more than the four smurfwomen.
Not Aatrox. His winrate isn't a reflection of how busted he really is. His winrate is low because 50% of the time he picks first and gets hard counterpicked. Add in the games where he just get messed over by luck of the draw on teammates and he's sub 50%. Yet still a sky high pickrate at all ranks because anything that isn't a direct counter he just rolls over. He isn't balanced by his kit. He's balanced by how hard he is counterpicked. Aatrox is played so often that his counter picks have an inflated pick and win rate that makes them look better than they actually are.
@@halycon404who are the aatrox counter picks?
@@tristan6773 Kennan absolutely stomps him. Almost all games Kennan plays in at Master+ are against Aatrox. He sits at a absurdly high win rate and game played because of it. Aatrox is picked about 10% of the time. Around a third of all Aatrox games are against Kennan at high ELO. That's Kennan's entire 3% pick rate. It would be higher but Kennan's ban rate is absurd for how often he is played, almost bans from an Aatrox's are for Kennan.
@@tristan6773 as an aatrox otp, o feel like i have a good understanding of which champions beat aatrox:
The usual fiora and irelia, but a good aatrox player will beat you if you first time fiora or irelia.
Even though aatrox is strong against ranged champs, vayne, kennen, kayle and quinn are very hard lanes.
Further more: aatrox doesnt like to be all-inned. Champs with a dash to get on top of the world ender, tryndamere, renekton, darius+ghost etc.
Since aatrox Q doesnt deal %-health damage, malphite and ornn are almost unwinnable lanes. DO NOT pick sion, cho or mundo: they get eaten alive by aatrox.
To round this stupidly long and pointless comment off: aatrox doesnt like dashes or movement speed. If you are really desperate: zed, leblanc, lillia etc. Will destroy aatrox late game, no matter how fet he is
@@halycon404 so Kennen* is one counter, what are the others?
I dunno, I don’t see him that often and he def doesn’t always win. Super clunky and slow champ with many openings for punishment. Irelia and Fiora however can lose lane hard, but it doesn’t matter at all cause their designs just let them be relevant anyway.
Considering the recent trends in top lane, I’m anticipating a four (insert name here) of ranged top era.
The 4 horse-rangers?
Vayne, Quinn, Kennen, Teemo maybe?
@@lachlanstory9929 vayne is a meme, quinn is as well, nobody is playing kennen outside of proplay and teemo is also a meme. tf is one of em akshan only if you are druttut idk who the other 2 could be
@@bullettime1116tf top is just a recent trend, akshan is really hard to execute well and isnt that much of a nightmare, all of the other 4 are not memes, they are all ok, and a nightmare to play against
@@nimrodszocs2795 I never have issues against any of them with my main and they generally all have shit winrates in that role unless your in the top 20% of the playerbase, that's why I call em memes. Nobody is winning with kennen or Quinn in low elo and nobody is playing Quinn in high elo, same with teemo
I'm so surprised to see Aatrox and Jax here, I didn't know that many people played them. And I also thought Darius is only a low elo threat. Renekton is the one I entirely understand.
Aatrox and jax have really good pickrates, and darius is good in anything that’s soloq, he can punish the smallest spacing mistake to hit just w or e and after that ur dead.
@@nimrodszocs2795 I realise that, I was just surprised to find out.
Very big fan of these series. Hope to see more 👍
Can you do a video (or videos) based on the unique relationship between different roles?
For instance, Jungle and Mid (Biggest Impact) Jungle and Support (Map Control Roles), Mid and Top (Lane Swap when needed) ADC and Top (Highest Pressure) or ADC and Support (Forced Partners).
I don't know if this is a hot take or not. Jax is the best champion to main, he can do pretty much everything in both teamfight and split push
Kinda true once you think about it
In my opinion Renekton is and will be the best ever toplaner made.
I can hear Druttut screeching from here.
pretty sure he only actually hates playing against renekton and jax (both are constantly in his perma ban pool), the other two he has counters he can play
@@torii5307yeah, drututt has a habit of complaining about everything he doesn’t play
@@sheepenjoyer3007 nah you're actually restarted if you think druttut only complains about any champ he doesn't play when all of the champ he's whining about are all stat checkers and he's also called out riot for leaving akshan ,briar ,Camille, Viego and naafiri when they were obviously very op but they refused to nerf them for many months
@@torii5307 nah every time I see druttut facing one of these champs you can clearly see how he deeply hates them because of how op they are especially early game
I would also personally add Sett to this group. He excels in both team fights and single 1v1s. His W especially almost feels like an infinite use ability just because of how good it is. He struggles a bit with range but his ultimate is decent sized and he has his E to keep opponents near him.
Issue is Sett cant really thrive in pro-play's environment thanks to mobility creep and damage creep.
Sure, Sett can output 5k worth of true damage with one W, but that alone needs items and good positioning to acomplish, sometimes as Sett I've been cc'd longer than I can W, making W instakill impossible.
I'd even say League has also a CC creep, since nowadays its so easy for teammates to pile cc on top of cc. Though Sett does excel in low elo where he exploits lack of positioning, distancing and overall trading knowledge, never go all-in on Sett.
Considering he didn't include gwen in his horsewomen video I think Vars ignores the newer champs (aka 200 years champs)
@@PsychoticBacon19 I’m not sure if he is 200 years. I think Sett was over buffed when he first came out but now he is fine. 200 years implies he has stuff in his kit that gets rid of his weaknesses or doesn’t fit his archetype
@@noodlesandeggs1512 I think skooch did a video on this. Sett gets stronger the lower in health he gets plus his regeneration also ramps up so everytime you damage him, he'll hit you back with even more damage. Seems like burst would be the answer then? Well no because if you burst him, you'll allow hit to hit max grit. There's other examples for Sett, but I'd suggest watching the video at that point.
@@PsychoticBacon19nah if it was near release Gwen maybe, but she’s not up there with the other 4 horsewomen
Another thing the Horsemen have going for them (Including the honourable mentions) is that a lot of them have notably more build fluidity and flexibility depending on what they are going against.
Playing Jax and the enemy has a lot of kiting/peeling to make it hard to stick? Just go AP and become a dive bomber.
As time goes on, we could add skarner aswell. His design makes it that every matchup is kinda playable. He scales well, has good neutral game, provides CC and has an escape tool. Skarner is not overdesigned, but designed way too perfectly.
I have an idea for your next top lane video. The four HORSEs of top lane: Vayne, Quinn, Teemo and Akshan. Would be a fun video to watch
Meanwhile, I'm running around top with my Mundo just doing whatever comes up first in my head. It ain't much but it's honest work
as an illaoi player this feels more like the four main dishes of top lane 😂
(although jax has felt a bit more annoying after the ult rework)
Tbh all of the four horsemen are fair to play against. The four horse women have been so broken at one time or another they were impossible to deal with.
when i played league i used renek mid to destroy melee assassins in mid, it was beautiful
I smell a new series, the horsemen/women of each role
Ive never had issues with any of these champs(I’m Iron 1 and I play Mordekaiser)
Rank checks ous
You are basically playing AP Darius
@@Bendzsike eh not really, Mord is pretty weak early game. Hes just that guy who just farms and avoids fights and then randomly all ins you and you get tilted that you die and start running it down. At least thats how its been working for me down in iron.
@@Bebox-lz3gw bro you are iron why are you trying to teach the game to anyone?
@@baptistecochennec5956 Have you ever considered that I might be iron because I haven’t been playing ranked for that long? I started in iron 3 and have been playing ranked for 2 weeks with 2 games a day
Since the introduction of jungle route assistance, EVERY jungler below diamond4 is starting from bottom camps and pathing towards top. It ALWAYS recommends to start from bottom camps and path to top. If youre playing toplane below diamond4, you are ALWAYS involved in 2v2 fight at 3:30 minute mark. So your premises are wrong.
Renekton heals decent? DECENT? *DECENT*? HE HEALS FUCKING HALF HIS HP BAR EACH TIME HE USES THAT MOVE
Anyways great video, as always :D
Red stands for blood with the horsemen
Jax: jay, blue and purple
When darius start laughing while applyinh his passive you know its bad 😂
I would also add Nasus to this list. If left alone for too long, there is nothing stopping him
I will add Malphite to this group if it's possible. Sure he's not the flashiest or strongest but overal very useful as long as he has his R even when he's behind. Doesn't matter how much damage he can deal since one good ult in teamfight is all it takes to make a come back
Love your vids, one of my favourite LoL content creators, even tho you hate on Yone a lot, you always find fresh ideas and topics around league that aren't just TIER LIST patch X.XX.
But I have to say sometimes you don't speak clearly enough(maybe too fast and your tone is kind of silent by default) and I have to rewind and listen carefully to understand what you said. Like you want to get rid of some text lines too fast or casually, hard to pin point, because it doesn't happen often, but I had to mention it, everyone can improve 🙂
Love the good work and effort, keep it up! 👌
the 8 horse people of top lane, the four horsemen and the four horsewomen, neat!
I think Sett deserves at least an honorable mention
sure, he gets shit on by ranged champions whether it's mages or marksman but in lane he's really strong
The true horsemen of top lane are Lord Colonel Major Centurion Kled, High Major Commodore of the First Legion Third Multiplication Double Admiral Artillery Vanguard Company Kled, Lord Major Admiral of the Second Legion's Forward Artillery-Cavalry Multiplication Kled and Sir Admiral Major Kled. Also Skaarl is the only true horsewoman.
highest ratio on a single ability? Surely you meant basic ability but some champions beg to differ.
tristana's E will go up to 439% if you proc it with 4 aas and abilities, but if u have some crits the damage is multiplied again, up to 133% (so a total 583%)
Garen's E if you go full crit will also go absolutely bonkers and can go over 800 ad ratio
anyways he's still in the top 5 for sure
This is why Singed prefers to poison the horse
Bro i feel so bad for renekton, he’s such an item based champ but with the item nerfs he isn’t nearly as strong as he was but riot refuses to buff him even a little or give back gore drinker
Big man sett stomps all. Proof? I made it the fuck up
Morning Vars hope you well.
I will single handedly bring pantheon into the top lane horsemen
I'd love to hear you talk about xin zhao sometime, @Vars
Darius and Jax is the bane of every new players nightmare.
10:26 "champions who only rely even remotely on auto attacks" proceeds to put forward champions who's only form of pressure is their auto attacks.
I'm pretty sure the actual four Horsemen of the Toplane are Vayne, Teemo, Gnar and Quinn 💀
I would put urgot over Jax in this list, I feel like urgot is way more consistent compared to Jax in terms of play rate and pressure
That's why Jax is, was and will always be more played...
Still surprised about the low talk of literal horsewoman/man lillia/hecarim top and their proxy potential 😂 Also Honorable mention for 5th horseman Sett 🫠👍
Miss q1, miss q2, miss q3 and e auto. My favorite 1 shot combo in the game.
I think the main reason people don't have them as much, is that you can outplay them much easily. It's fairly easy to dodge aatrox Q's, jax and renek engage is somewhat predictable, and darius just requires good spacing.
But people also hate darius bcuz his passive is very stat checky, and jax just splitpushes if he's behind and stat checks with Tri+W
Idk about this one, but the horsewomen I can get behind
Me watching the Aatrox part painfully laughing to myself knowing if he gets cc'ed for 1 second he will evaporate from the face of the earth
I love ridleys theme for this
"But Aatrox's popularity comes from the fact that he's probably closect you can get to safe blindpick"
I thought his was popularity COMES from his voicelines.
Hecarim ruled the world when you can TP anywhere early game.
I think the difference with these champions versus the four horse women though is that these champions are way more volatile it doesn’t seem like not too long ago Renekton was at the bottom of the top lane tier along with at some point Jax and Darius. But I don’t think at any point the four horse women have ever been below a tier. And often times it is due to item Nerfs and not Nerfs to the champion themselves. Riot definitely seems to favor them along with any sword boy..
You used malphite as an example of what darius counters which couldnt be further from the truth as he can sort of flex into a range playstyle and gets speed+slow on q and r which is effectuvely a get out of jail free card.dariys enjoys immobile short range matchups the most.
Pantheon who check all of them and just got a buff:😊
They may be the horsemen but none can escape the might of DEMACIA 🗿
He should've just made a video about GODS. Garen Olaf Darius Sett
Metroid music in the back👌🏼👌🏼
Me, a Shen main: I guess I'll afk by tower
hey Vars can you pls make a video on Pantheon syndrome where champions have so good base numbers they become supports (pantheon, sett, ashe, chamile) and if they are ok for the game. love your vids btw
Camille doesnt have good base numbers, she just has really useful ranged engage in her e, that’s it, it’s just that the ability is broken, and she scales really well too
you should do the four horsewomen of mid lane tbh
More like Garen, Darius, Jax and Ksante... Aatrox and Rekenton aren't even that big of a problem to deal with unless they get super fed.
I would include pantheon over Jax. It would fit the whole lane bully theme better
Aatrox's Rework may have killed his playstyle but he has never had stadistics this healthy.
WIld considering Trundle beats every single one of them 1v1.
Kinda surprised Mordekaiser wasn’t part of the 4 in this video
He kinda sucks, like really bad if you know what you're doing.
@@munchiemunchie5226Darius sucks too if u know what ur doing. It should be Aatrox, Jax, Renekton, Gnar. I’m picking Gnar even though he’s ranged but he’s good in every elo, pro play, and is somewhat of a fighter as mega gnar . Being good in masters+ and pro play is not something morde or Darius have
Then there should be another four horsemen of bruisers good in low elo Darius, Garen, Sett, Morde. Having a dash really changes everything imo
@@weegeearmy1391 That's... Misleading.
Knar is a Pro play champion because of the ability to co-ordinate his strong cc with teammates.
Darius is definitely not easy to beat ever? That's just wild, Knar is far easier to beat in lane.
You're not really wrong but I can't agree with you either.
@@munchiemunchie5226 "Knar" XD
Aatrox main here the feeling when you just press the r and that noice makes you kill all of them fore more of that noice
It's funny as a poppy main I counter seven of eight horseman/horsewomen.
It's weird how many people don't play poppy considering that she counters the most annoying shit in top Lane. She's an excellent counter pick.
i'm not sure if it's the same for everyone but comparing how fun horsemen/women are to poppy i can clearly see why no1 plays her
@@DIAX9 dude, you don't understand the thrill of stopping some 200 year champion by just pressing one button and then Q-ing them for half their health
And her tankiness let's her take any BS damage. Poppy is GOATED, Riven and Darius mains cry.
@@tf2godz yeah exactly what i said, different tastes and playstyles there is nothing bad about it, enjoy
Most people who play top like making the first move, they hate waiting. Poppy is one of the best champions in the game at punishing first moves or preventing them outright but you have to wait and Jax mains hate waiting...(for Annie)
You could easily add kled to that list lmao. He is a true menace and a 2v1 monster.
Rene and Jax are fun fights, Darius is just patience test and courage to actaully try to fight him at right time.
Aatrox however is very abnoxious lane bully. I always feel like fighting a boss in Elden ring, one bad dodge/mistake and he runs me over.
Tbh, I don't even remember last time I seen Jax in my game on toplane. For me he feels kinda unpopular and when he gets picked, he doesn't really do much
13:04 As an Azir main, I feel you...
hmmmm. I main all 4 of these, mostly darius and jax. never thought of these in this way
Aatrox is a horseman? The other 3 were pretty much pick or ban at many points without being conceptually busted. For the most part before the healing reduction adjustment, aatrox was okay except when his items were busted or when he had the revive
Something something season 3 Renekton with 5 brutalizers.
Hey! I really appreciate your efforts, keep the good work. İ wanted to aşk somthing, i cant decide which champion to play on top lane so i need a little help, the champion i would like to play with must be durable and strong in team fights, weak in early but better in middle and late game, some good health regeneration or just a strong and hard to break self shield against physical and magical damage, maybe some poke and cc abilities, huge hp, a tank would be really cool, a tank who could tank a whole team ör at least 3 4 enemies without much effort, which champion would you recommend?
it's funny how only one of them is a skilles champ and the other 3 arenpoint and click
When's the best Horse's of League video?
The horsewomen require skill. These dudes don’t require skill.
Well...they're more like the four Horsewomen
4:51 which is why he is badly designed, I forget the reason why mana is even a thing, the point is reasource management, Aatrox should use mana or a different kind of reasource, maybe reflect his old kit by having his abilities use health so you have to make you of your healing to make every hit count or have a unique one I though of a blood bar were he has to deal damage first to be able to use his abilities, upon reaching maximum he gains increased healing and regeration of it however it will deplet overtime, the issue with it is lower control over it espically when it reaches full.
So I'd say health would make more sense, Maybe add the blood hell of healing as an extra thing to work around since I'm seeing in some clips he's gonna struggle with probably taking alot fo health from him or maybe he already has enough maybe he does already since of the clips that showed so much healing taken.
It makes sense Teemo isnt on this list because he's clearly the KING of top lane
Recently, found Teemo is even more op in bot lane
I'd be really interested to see a matchup chart of the eight horsemen and horsewomen
Jax just wins all tbh.
Jax loses against a Fiora (honestly, everyone loses against her), and is neutral to good with other enemies. My favorite match-up is Darius since it discourages Jax from going all in (despite that being his strength) since Darius's all-in is arguably the strongest (getting 2-3 items worth of AD is not a joke).
@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904 jax doesn’t lose to fiora, it’s her hardest matchup because he scales extremely well throughout the entire game. it’s a high skill matchup for sure but the window for Fiora to win is actually pretty small compared to the rest of her matchups. Jax is infact infuriating to play against if you’re playing Fiora/camille/irelia, it’s only riven who can do subpar decent.
@@shaan2639 Wait really? In my experience with fighting against Fiora, she's like the hardest one to fight against. Her Vitals procs are really annoying to play against, and she deals more damage than Jax after he uses his E (and Fiora uses her W).
With Riven though it kinda depends. Most Riven players want to go all-in and ALWAYS bring Ignite in toplane, so I usually play around that by playing safe and trying to rush Steraks (really good item against executes).
@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904 yeah isn’t there the whole thing of fiora’s q not going through jax’s counterstrike? he can always time his e stun so it’s always harder for fiora to play alongside that whereas other forms of cc are easier to predict.
Since lethal tempo removal Jax has been a bit easier to deal with but even in lane with grasp/sheen he just chunks too much.
hey vars, what are the 4 tanks of the toplane?
Vars, why do you ALWAYS release a vid when ive been drinking. Its so convinient!
Same... cheers
Maybe you are drinking all the time?
I would replace Darius with Rumble, espacially when you think about Pro play
they dont even come close to the level of the the four horsewomen, only aatrox is really worth talking about as he's basically invincible at times