2. Christmas is not Pagan (History)
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This video looks at the history of Christmas and argues there is no evidence it comes from paganism.
Here is the primary video we are going after:
• Have a Pagan Christmas!
Sources:
Shahnameh: The Persian Book of Kings - Abolqasem Ferdowsi
Structure in The Wisdom of Amenemope and Proverbs - Paul Overland
Christianizing the Roman Empire - Ramsay MacMullen
Pagan City and Christian Capital: Rome in the Fourth Century - John R Curran
Rome - Marcia B. Hall
The Philocalian Calendar
The Origins of the Liturgical Year - Thomas J. Talley
Sol Invictus, the Winter Solstice, and the Origins of Christmas - Steven Hijmans
www.academia.edu/968841/_Sol_...
The Sun Which Did Not Rise In the East -Steven Hijmans
www.academia.edu/263849/The_S...
"Christmas"in "The Oxford Companion to Christian Thought - Karen B. Westerfield Tucker
Saturnalia Book - Macrobius
Roman Festivals in the Greek East - Fritz Graf
Classical World, Volume 15 - John Raymond
Homily on the Date of Christmas -John Chrysostom
fourthcentury.com/christmas-sermon
Toward the Origins of Christmas - Susan K. Roll
The interpretation by Hippolytus of the Visions of Daniel - Hippolytus of Rome
The Christmas Tree - Fr. William P. Saunders
Christmas: A Candid History - Bruce David Forbes
The Children's Friend (1821)
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Tree, in Orthodox Tradition, is often used as a symbol for the Cross. Cedar and fir trees are also established as a symbol in the Old Testament and Psalms.
Yeah. Personally I think Jesus was crucified on a living olive tree. My reasons for this I give here:
www.quora.com/How-was-Jesus-crucified/answer/Damien-Cowl
You mean if Jesus was killed by sword or gun, that will be the Christian emblem today?
@@oluphemmymacolu6114 Not about the emblem, more so the fact of Christ said to "pick up your cross and follow me"....The Cross is about following Christ.
@@oluphemmymacolu6114 guns didn't exist back then. He was crucified which was the form of punishment. The prophecies mention that he that is hung on a tree is cursed. So there you go. No gun or sword will be the symbol.
I know you are trying to trot out Celsus argument but it is a failure on his part to actually refute anything and only ridicule.
6 years later and IP still has to defend Christmas
Hey IP, two things that you could have also pointed out. 1) The Eastern Church celebrated Christmas on January 6th. The apostle John and Polycarp set up their churches using a Jewish calendar (as opposed to a Roman calendar) circumventing the whole "Sol Invictus" nonsense, and 2) I wanted to add that March 25th was part of a Jewish tradition celebrating the date of Abraham's sacrificing Isaac when God promised to send a lamb to complete said sacrifice. So, as you stated in the video, early Christians recognized the connection to Christ, and so dated both his birth and death on December 25th.
Tammuz was born on December 25th. So, Christmas is pagan and so are all other holidays. Don't follow tradition of mankind.
@@ursulasmith6402 Where's the connection between Tummuz and Christmas besides his "birthday"? I haven't been able to see actual sources saying it is his birthday. But even if it was, did people have a festival to worship him during the 25th of December?
There are people who say that Jesus is based om Dumzid.... are you sure this isn't one of those lies retold just to make Christianity seem of pagan origin?
@@ursulasmith6402 all other holidays? So Passover is off limits too?
@@jonnyOysters Jeremiah 10:1-5 The pagans cut down trees and decorated them with silver & gold in celebration of Nimrod & Tammuz. Jesus was probably born sometime in or around September per the gospel of Luke when studied in depth.
@@ursulasmith6402 fool. Jesus has all the power over Heaven and Earth (Mt.28:18). All things including days belong to him. Pagans just stole December 25 and corrupted it you moron.
IP triggers those who rely on feelings. Inspiring Philosophy, showing us Christianity is reasonable, even though some Christians aren't.
+The Objective TruthA far more rational perspective on Christmas than the video here that is in league with the devil - the ONLY one with a motive to remove Christmas . . .
th-cam.com/video/ca_Yx3aMCiE/w-d-xo.html
+The Objective TruthA far more rational perspective on Christmas than the video here that is in league with the devil - the ONLY one with a motive to remove Christmas . . .
th-cam.com/video/ca_Yx3aMCiE/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/1qa5xV8DIrc/w-d-xo.html
Right cause symbols and bon fires are both symbols that aren't mandatory for celebrating a certain holiday that arose after pagan traditions made a starkly similar holiday that was celebrated at the same time. It's not like that's true or anything. It's not? That's a huge lie. Why should we treat anything as true. God said? Those which speak cannot lie.
Facts.
Got to admit. Accidentally spouted the stuff about December 25 that I had learned. Looked up Saturnalia first, though. A Muslim was giving me a hard time with this stuff. Kind of wish I had watched this video first.
From my other comment:
43 Lmao the action doesn’t matter but the intention behind it matters? The road to hell is paved with ‘good’ intentions.
12:48 . Ok my heart is pure, my motive is to make the world a better place. Let me commit all sorts of crimes and violate people’s rights. Don’t worry it’s ok because my intentions were good. What kind of idiocy is this?
Krampus is pagan but is still present in European Christmas traditions. Halloween is entirely pagan. Saying pagan celebrations died out is ridiculous. Saints are minor gods. A lot of Christians still perform ancestor worship. This entire video is ridiculous.
One culture that’s in close contact with another that just happens to adopt and use the same things like reefs and Christmas trees is a coincidence and has nothing to do with paganism? The Christmas tree isn’t Yggdrasil? Solstice celebrations aren’t exclusively pagan?
@@overdose8329 no. Christmas trees are harmless decoration. We don’t worship them. And Saint veneration is a Roman Catholic problem, not an evangelical protestant problem. But let me ask you this: Jehovah’s Witnesses say that since Herod Antipas celebrated his birthday, then birthdays are inherently pagan. Do you celebrate birthdays? For the record, I am not a Jehovah’s Witness, and they are not Christians.
@@blindvision4703 The celebration of Christmas on December 25 is not mentioned in Scripture. Jeremiah 10:1-5 is about idolatry. Idolatry is a sin, according to scripture. Cutting down a forest tree and adorning it is still a form of idolatry. The tradition and custom is not from The Most High. Furthermore, The Messiah gave clear instructions on how to remember him.
@@overdose8329 The workers of inquiry are busy. They continue to spread disinformation to deceive and mislead people.
@@QuianaMonique that’s talking about carving the tree into the form of some sort of idol. Christmas trees don’t have mouths or ears, and even if they did, they wouldn’t be able to do anything. That’s the point of an idol: it doesn’t do anything. Christmas trees are set up and taken down. They’re not overlaid with gold or silver, and then, and they’re not carved into anything. They’re just decoration. I’ll ask you, but I asked the last person: Herod Antipas celebrated his birthday. Jehovah’s Witnesses, who are not Christians, say that birthdays are pagan because Herod celebrated his birthday. Would you agree with that? Do you celebrate birthdays? A problem here about December 25 is that we really don’t know when Jesus was born. I’ve had a couple different reasons as to why Christmas is on December 25, but I’m out ultimately it doesn’t really matter. God cares about the heart. I’ve even had Christmases where we don’t even put up a tree. And even then, I primary focus is not on worshiping a tree, much less the plastic one. and let’s be real: most kids are focus on what’s under the tree anyway. The Christmas tree, the evergreen, represents Christ in that it is green throughout the entire year, much the same way as Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
(from 30 Days, an Italian Catholic publication n.d.)
“December 25 is an historical date,” Professor Tommaso Federici, Professor at the Pontifical Urbanian University and a consultant to two Vatican Congregations, has stressed. In an article in the Osservatore Romano on December 24, he wrote: “December 25 is explained as the ‘Christianization’ of a pagan feast, ‘birth of the Sol Invictus’; or as the symmetrical balance, an aesthetic balance between the winter solstice (Dec. 21-22) and the spring equinox (March 23-24). But a discovery of recent years has shed definitive light on the date of the Lord’s birth. As long ago as 1958, the Israeli scholar Shemaryahu Talmon published an in-depth study on the calendar of the Qumran sect, and he reconstructed without the shadow of doubt the order of the sacerdotal rota system for the temple of Jerusalem (1 Chronicles 24, 7-18) in New Testament times. Here the family of Abijah, of which Zechariah was a descendant, father of John the herald and forerunner (Luke 1, 5), was required to officiate twice a year, on the days 8-14 of the third month, and on the days 24-30 of the eighth month. This latter period fell at about the end of September. It is not without reason that the Byzantine calendar celebrated ‘John’s conception’ on September 23 and his birth nine months later, on June 24. The ‘six months’ after the Annunciation established as a liturgical feast on March 25, comes three months before the forerunner’s birth, prelude to the nine months in December: December 25 is a date of history.”
In other words, according to the evidence of the Dead Sea Scrolls and Sacred Scripture, our liturgical calendar is accurate:
end of September
Zechariah “executed his priestly function” (Luke 1:8) according to his class. His wife, Elizabeth, conceived (the Church traditionally holds St. John’s conception to have taken place on 23 September) just as Gabriel said (Luke 1:24) and hid herself away for 5 months.
25 March, the Feast of the Annunciation
In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy (Luke 1:26), Gabriel appears to Mary to tell her she is to have a child
24 June, the Feast of John the Baptist
Three months after the Annunciation,
John the Baptist was born, at a time when the days were becoming shorter
25 December
Nine months after the Annunciation, Jesus was born, at a time when the days were becoming longer.
To rebut the idea that Jesus had to have been born (rather than conceived) in the Spring because the shepherds were in their fields, which wouldn’t have been so in the Winter, there’s this, from the Jewish convert scholar, Alfred Edersheim, in his “The Life and Times of Jesus The Messiah”:
And yet Jewish tradition may here prove both illustrative and helpful. That the Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem, was a settled conviction. Equally so, was the belief , that He was to be revealed from Migdal Eder, ‘the tower of the flock.’ This Migdal Eder was not the watchtower for the ordinary flocks which pastured on the barren sheepground beyond Bethlehem, but lay close to the town, on the road to Jerusalem. A passage in the Mishnah leads to the conclusion, that the flocks, which pastured there, were destined for Temple-sacrifices, and, accordingly, that the shepherds, who watched over them, were not ordinary shepherds. The latter were under the ban of Rabbinism, on account of their necessary isolation from religious ordinances, and their manner of life, which rendered strict legal observance unlikely, if not absolutely impossible. The same Mishnaic passage also leads us to infer, that these flocks lay out all the year round, since they are spoken of as in the fields thirty days before the Passover - that is, in the month of February, when in Palestine the average winter rainfall is nearly greatest.
Thus, Jewish tradition in some manner apprehended the first revelation of the Messiah from that Migdal Eder, where shepherds watched the Temple-flocks all the year round. It was, then, on that ‘wintry night’ of the 25th of December, that shepherds watched the flocks destined for sacrificial services, in the very place consecrated by tradition as that where the Messiah was to be first revealed.
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Just want to say, thank you so much for all of your research and hard work. It has really brought clarity and peace to us regarding this topic. God Bless you.
What are you talking about
@@katieee3339 Didn't you watch the video?
Saint Nick was also said to have hit Arius in the face during an altercation, which is kind of funny.
he's an inspiration to me for that reason
I was hoping you would see this video VassalofGod.
***** I loved it, you mentioned like 7 Catholic things throughout the video
also, I'm off facebook, but I'm still on TH-cam, I'll be back on Facebook sometime after Christmas
So is Vassel a catholic?
Authorized Mike very much so
Actually, it's even worse, I'm not just a Catholic, I'm a SUPER CATHOLIC!!!
My response is NEITHER the pagan gods and their worshippers created a single day ever. All days were created by God. Pick one and celebrate His beautiful son Jesus Christ. Merry Christmas Ebenezer Scrooges.
Awurabena1 zJesus never told us to celebrate his birthday he only told us to celebrate the holy supper
Jesus Valle
Sure so stop using Mondays, Tuesday etc too. They are all pagan holidays too.
Awurabena1 Isn't it common sense to celebrate birthdays on the days people are actually born though?
Stephen Pamphile
It is a season or period of celebration unless you are 100% sure of the specific day when JESUS was born or pick a day any day within that season.
Source: Wikipedia
Yom
Time period of unspecified length.
A long, but finite span of time - age - epoch - season.
Awurabena1 But it's literally not even the right season. The Bible says that shepherds were tending to their sheep on the night of Christ's birth. They wouldn't be out doing that during winter period.
This reminds me of something: I am planning out a Christian fantasy novel, where one of the main plots is that the old pagan 'gods' were really neither gods nor fallen angels. Instead, they were spiritual beings of a different sort, rebellious members of God's Divine Council. They, through their treachery, decieved themselves and mankind into thinking that they were gods, just after Adam and Eve rebelled. They are in fact between Angels and men. This deception continued, until Jesus died upon the cross. In that moment, tons of pantheons realized their sin, and repented of their deception. They achknowledged their subservience to God. However, some refused to achknowledge that they were not gods. A big part of the novel, will be with how these beings adapt to serving God, and of their interactiosn with modern humans, and fighting against the evil false gods.
I would essentially be reclaiming pre-Christian celtic, greek, roman, germanic, pre-contact America, etc. for Christ, and removing all negative aspects of those culutres. This would be the explaination for why so many long-established pantheons fell so qucikly. Their 'gods' converted, upon realizing they were not divine. Is this ok for me to do, or am I crossing a line?
Honestly, this is a great premise
Rather late answer, but this video comes up every year at this time. :)
I suggest listening to "The Catholic Brothers" who give historical explanations about ancient Kanaanite believes and their influence and traces in the old testament. Look for "parting of the ways".
I still haven't figured out what the implied conclusion is when someone states some variation of the "your holiday is pagan" statement. It's essentially random trivia. "Did you know a pagan holiday took place around the same time thousands of years ago?", but they deliver it like it's supposed to mean something.
I know, it is such a ridiculous crusade the anti-holiday crowd attempts.
canis760 I heard pagans wrote their scriptures down on velum and papyrus in scrolls. also they dressed in robes for rituals and even burned things. #everythingispaganandevil
What even is anti-holiday? Saying that your religion and therefore your winter holiday is better than any others or is in some way truer and therefore should take precedence IS itself anti-holiday, anti Ramadan and Diwali and Kwanzaa and Hanukkah, etc. People who say Happy Holidays want to be respectful. People who want to point out the paganity of your religion are trying to keep you humble. People who want to be rude about their opposition however, they deserve for you to be rude back. Don't be anti-holiday; embrace the fact that your religion is not the true one or an original one, and that is strength faith if you choose to continue practicing it. Insisting that it is the only right path; that's disrespecting many cultures and traditions. Which makes you and the "we're the only true faith" crowd enormous hypocrites of an embarrassing degree. You claim god is almighty and unknowable; then you claim that you know about the truth of this god. It's laughable.
Martial Apologist that’s the false equivalence fallacy. Things that are written, words, or anything cannot be compared to a festival or celebration. They are two different things. If we apply that logic then, we could say “ pagans breathe, therefore we are mimicking pagans” no that’s not how things work. Even so, the Bible doesn’t tell us to celebrate the “birth of Jesus” not was Jesus born in December 25.
@@shannonconnor3697 nonsense
Christmas exist 201-240AD.
Dec.25 suggested by Tertullian &...
year:274AD. (Paganfeast)
Feast of Saturnalia was created.
Therefore Christmas celebration
does NOT came fr.Pagan god like:
Saturnalia,
Sun god,
Tamuz,
Mitra (Mythra),
Horus,
or Krishna
Merry Christmas!
The date of December 25
The urban legend goes that December 25 is derived from the birth of the ancient Roman sun god. But when we look back in history, we find that several Christian writers calculated the date of the Lord’s Nativity long before the Roman celebration of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti-Birthday of the Unconquered Sun-was established.
The fact is though, ancient Christian writers built the timing for the birth of Christ from the Scriptural observation that Zechariah was on duty on Yom Kippur (September 23). This observation comes from the information we find in the gospel of Luke.
“Once when Zechariah’s division was on duty and he was serving as priest before God, he was chosen by lot, according to the custom of the priesthood, to go into the temple of the Lord and burn incense. And when the time for the burning of incense came, all the assembled worshipers were praying outside. Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense” (Luke 1:8-11).
The day of Yom Kippur is the day in which incense was offered in this manner.
Based on this observation, Christians were able to calculate the birth of John the Forerunner as being September 23 + 270 days = June 24. They then observed that the Annunciation of Christ’s birth was six months after John the Baptist’s conception.
“In the sixth month [of Elizabeth’s pregnancy] the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin's name was Mary” (Luke 1:26-27).
Calculating September 23 and adding six months brings us to March 25. Through this reasoning, Irenaeus had established March 25 as the date of the Annunciation before the end of the second century. The Annunciation was being celebrated long before Christmas, since the Annunciation was miraculous, whereas the birth was a mere function of human biology.
The date of December 25 is therefore derived from the date of Jesus’ conception.
By the year 221 AD, three Christian writers had independently calculated the date of Jesus’ birth as December 25. Irenaeus, as we have just said, identified the date of his annunciation before the end of the second century. Hippolytus used a different method, but determined December 25 as the date of the Nativity in 202 AD when he wrote his commentary on Daniel 4:23. Finally, Sextus Julius Africanus, in writing his “Chronology of the World” in 221 AD had also calculated December 25.
When people pushing the pagan conspiracy theory argue that December 25 the date of a pagan festival, they build their argument upon observances of that date. But they never bother to explore the series of Christian dates from which December 25 is derived. They never whisper a word of dissent about September 23 (Conception of John the Baptist), March 25 (Annunciation) or June 24 (Nativity of John the Baptist)! The conspiracy theorist’s only complaint is with December 25. When we examine why Christians began observing December 25 as the birthdate of our Lord, the argument that it was first a pagan holiday simply collapses.
But what makes our conspiracy theorist’s job even more difficult is the fact that it was the pagans who plagiarised from the Christians (not the other way round). The scholar Manfred Claus established that Emperor Aurelian established the cult of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti on December 25, 274 AD, and decreed that day as the day of the Winter Solstice celebration. This is more than 50 years after Sextus Julius Africanus established Christ's birthday
Geoff Harvey
16.12.2018
@Mr Kish URBAN LEGEND.
@Mr Kish Citations please.
@Mr Kish Do you have any primary sources or academic sources that don't include conspiracy theories? because biblical scholars who are experts of Nimrod like Dr. Yigal Levin and Dr. Karel van der Toorn don't mentioned anything about Nimrod was born on December 25th. And about the supposed pagan origins of holidays it is much more complicated than the church stole pagan festivals.
I recommended reading these sources to find out what actual scholars view Nimrod:
Van Der Toorn, K., and P. W. Van Der Horst. "Nimrod before and after the Bible." The Harvard Theological Review 83, no. 1 (1990): 1-29.
Levin, Yigal. "Nimrod the Mighty, King of Kish, King of Sumer and Akkad." Vetus Testamentum 52, no. 3 (2002): 350-66.
John H. Walton, Victor H. Matthews, The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Genesis to Deuteronomy,
Petrovich, Douglas N. “ Identifying Nimrod of Genesis 10 with Sargon of Akkad by Exegetical and Archaeological Means.” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society56/2 (June 2013): 273-305..
@Mr Kish I recommend reading these sources
about the real Semiramis and tammuz
Primary Sources regarding Semiramis
Justin, Epitome of Pompeius Trogus, HISTORY OF THE WORLD, Book I,
www.attalus.org/translate/justin8.html#1.1
Ammianus Marcellinus, Roman History, Book 23 chapter 22-23
penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ammian/23*.html
Eusebius of Caesarea, Chronicle, Assyrian Chronicle,
www.attalus.org/armenian/euseb3.htm
Diodorus Siculus, Library of History, Book II
penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/2A*.html
HERODOTUS Book I: chapter 184
penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Herodotus/1D*.html
Berossus of Babylon (C. 4 BCE), Chaldaean histories book 3, reported in Josephus Against Apion 140-141
archive.org/stream/L186JosephusILifeAgainstApion/L186-Josephus%20I%20Life%20Against%20Apion#page/n241/mode/2up
For more information on Semiramis see here: www.attalus.org/names/s/semiramis.html
Primary sources regarding Tammuz otherwise known as Dumuzid
Inana's Descent to the Netherworld:
etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.1.4.1#
Dumuzid and Ĝeštin-ana
etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.1.4.1.1#
Dumuzid and his sisters
etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.1.4.1.3#
Dumuzid's dream
etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.1.4.3#
Inana and Bilulu
etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.1.4.4#
Dumuzid and Enkimdu:
etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section4/tr40833.htm
Balbale (?) to Inana and Dumuzid (Dumuzid-Inana P): translation
etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section4/tr40816.htm
Hey, how often do you upload? This is a pretty interesting channel!
Thanks, I try to upload ever 2 or three weeks. Here is a video on the goals of this channel: th-cam.com/video/Lix-8q7nUkU/w-d-xo.html
InspiringPhilosophy Cool man! This channel deserves more subscribers. I've been in a minor faith crisis, but your vids have helped me. Thanks!
Thank you for providing logic in an irrational world!!! No date, no pagan ritual should have this much power. Pagan Rome does not have control over God's creation.
Now I know why Santa Claus was often referred as "old st nick"
Great explanation! 👍Could you do a video on Christmas vs yule?
Excellent as always. It wasn't much, but the debate video prompted me to make a fairly long but not super deep reaction style video to bad atheist arguments.
I really should look into putting more time into them and editing, though. Oh well, thanks for the inspirational philosophy and good video.
Good work IP!
Thank you for your scholarly videos. Thanks also for telling us to stop living in fear and have a merry Christmas. This anti-Christmas stuff does more harm than good, imho. I still wish you had addressed Hislop, though. Will you in another video?
Douglas Scheirer ...We are supposed to live in FEAR to the MOST HIGH! Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the YAHUAH / LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Luke 12:4-5 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear YAHUAH/GOD and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For YAHUAH/God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Hate hw late I got this video bt I appreciate thnx for clearing this up ❤️ stay blessed always and Merry Christmas 25/12/2022
Thank you IP you actually inspired me on all of your videos I have watched. May the God almighty empower you more and bless you more. Thank you so much.
I completely agree but would you take this idea into things that seem to be exclusively pagan practice such as Ouija boards? Can that also be utilized as a Christian practice?
No. God created the Heavens and Earth and built it in divine order. All humans are capable of seeing those patterns and interpreting them using reason, Aristotle is a great example.
Ouija boards themselves aren't pagan, they're a product of the 19th-20th century spiritualist movement and they're also a mode of divination which has been warned against since the Old Testament.
You can notice signs and wonders, but you shouldn't go looking for them
I'm not gonna give the pagans the power of stopping me to use whatever I want in celebration.
Thank you for your side of this topic. The one thing that you don’t have in this presentation is scripture support of these celebrations. There are so many scriptures telling us not to worship like the world, pagans,etc. no one should condemn it just pray study the scriptures and decide for yourself.
True
You’re commenting on part 2. Part 1 was literally the scripture argument
Merry Christmas Inspiring Philosophy! A book which might help strengthen your knowledge on King of Kings, is Divine Honours For the Caesars: The First Christians Responses By Bruce W Winter.
Fundamentally, the difference between these views can be understood through what Richard Niebuhr (in his book "Christ and Culture") identified as the competing philosophies of Christ OPPOSING culture vs Christ REFORMING culture.
Merry Christmas y’all! ❤
Hey IP, the part about the Solomon connection and to be "older" same kind or similar of sayings from Egypt priest , wasn't most of this argument refuted in many ways? I know I seen something about this but can't remember exactly where, maybe it was the pattern of evidence documentary movie or some other program?
Not that I have seen. Pattern of Evidence: Exodus goes over archeological evidence for the Exodus, that is all.
Thanks for the response, hopefully I can found the video of that topic again as it as if I remember refuted a lot of them claims that Solomon or David took some of their sayings from this Egyptian mage or priest, thanks.
+InspiringPhilosophy One thing to be careful about Patterns of Evidence is that the people in the documentary deny Carbon 14 dating.
***** Right, and they quote mine the Ipuwer Papyrus.
Do you think the patterns of evidence documentary has good evidence of the timeline being a few hundred years off? All them other sites as well that to my knowledge has not even been dug up yet that may give even more evidence, but I don't think if accurate they would want anyone to no because they would have to change date,names etc on everything.
So instead of the question, "How does it glorify God?", do we now say, "How can we make it glorify God?"
Artur Mokrushin
How do we use 🚗, computers, technology, etc to glorify God? By the way he act as Christians(1 Corinthians 13:4-7 & Galatians 5:22-23,) which is where IP was getting at.
Michael Rivera How about Romans 14? Where do we draw the line between continuing to do what you think isn't bad in your understanding and changing your ways because somebody else has a problem with it?
Artur Mokrushin
Romans 14 has nothing to do with Christmas.
Romans 14
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Law of Liberty
14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, butnot to disputes over doubtful things.
2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.
3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him.
4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself.
8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ died and rose[b] and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.[c]
11 For it is written:
“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”[d]
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.
The Law of Love
14 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died.
16 Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil;
17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
18 For he who serves Christ in these things[e] is acceptable to God and approved by men.
19 Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another.
20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense.
21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.[f]
22 Do you have faith?[g] Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.[h]
Now this is a video series which will be useful in ministry.
I am a Protestant Evangelical, former Catholic, and I have never seen the pagan stuff from your point of view.
Which indeed seems to be biblical, I wanted to honor God by annihilating paganism in all forms, but I had never thought of overtaking it like that.
I'm beginning to understand even better why the Catholics don't feel remorse lol.
I agree with their methods, even though I strongly disagree with a lot of their theology.
But I think it should be said that it doesn't negate the fact that the most likely candidate
for the Whore of Babylon is still the Catholic Establishment. End times gotta get initiated one way or another lol.
Thanks again for the video man, and Merry CHRISTmas !!!
Brother please rethink your stance and come back home to the Church. Try reading "crossing the Tiber" by Steve Ray or "Rome Sweet Home" by Scott Hahn. I promise you won't regret it.
@@DaltonLPyron Brother, I am smiling so hard right now. You won't believe it, I returned to the Catholic Church about 4 years ago. Look at my channel you'll see the playlists. I thank God he was so so patient with me and right now I'm on fire by love of God more than ever through the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the prayers of our Blessed Immaculate Mother.
I almost can't believe it myself, my life right now would be so different if he hadn't brought me back home.
Honestly I am not worthy I remember that when I was convicted I resisted for about 1 week the grace of God, trying to either go Orthodox or just erect my own heresy.
It was a journey, a heck of a journey, but the real battle is just getting started now that we are in the fullness of truth.
@@workinpromo Thank God 🙏
@@workinpromo praise be to the LORD Jesus Christ for helping you find his true church
13:20 = quite possibly the most grumbly Christmas wish I've ever heard 😆 thanks for the laughs
Dude? Where have you been all my life? Your channel is awesome. Too bad I just found it. I've watched about 30 of your videos so far and my personal research in Scriptures and life have led me to agree with you in most things... but I also learned a lot of new things. Thanks.
Thanks!
READ THE WORD!! Instead you follow this man's words?! This channel is not Christian!
@@nopenopenope123 LOL way to respond... 4 years later
@@nopenopenope123 do you mind being a little more specific since the author of this video was very specific? Also, have you watched his research?
My brother once again thank you.
If your conscience is bothered by it, don't celebrate. If you are a mature Christian and know idols are nothing, but your immature brother or sister is offended by your celebration of Christmas, then don't offend them and put your celebration away, and just praise God together. This is the rule i would use. It's better not to violate their conscience. Either way, as an Assyrian I can tell you my ancestors worshipped Tamuz, ishtar, and they have nothing to do with Christmas.
1:02 The fact that I had to explain this simple concept to a grown man working a professional field in 2023 is absolutely mindboggling. He insists that having a christmas tree equals worshipping it as an idol/a false god.
When you stated, "its the meaning we put behind the symbol, not the symbol itself," where did you find that referrerence in the Bible? I'm just trying to learn.
MacLynn
why hasn’t this question been answered yet? It’s a good question? This video needs more scripture references
It can be deduced from scripture.
Egyptians were practising circumcision long before God made it a covenant symbol with Abraham.
Stone altars/memorials were erected by pagans to worship pagan gods. But we also see such altars erected by the patriarchs and Moses to honor God
Lots of times Jesus said by desiring your neighbor's wife you have already committed a sin. I guess is the thought what counts..
If we use Bible then that mindset is totally debunked...
Why?
We can read in the Old Testament that Israel did a golden calf when Moses was in Mount Sinai so they can worship the God who took them out of Egypt, their intentions was to use that calf to worship the Lord because they could not see Him and they used pagan items to do so...
God slow to anger and great in mercy right at that moment wanted to destroy whole Israel... but remembered the covenant, so He spared those who walked away of that path, basically this exact action of worshiping God with pagan roots is totally abominable and angers God greatly which should not be done!
That is why celebrating Christmas, the whole celebration and think of it as worshiping God then is abominable... just as Halloween and any pagan root celebration that is used to worship our God, in those days we must stand to battle such things because in those days many sacrifices and horrible things happen, we must fast, pray, Bible study and worship God and not have a part with the devil those days in order to fight it. You can celebrate Jesus that day but nothing with Christmas, celebrate Jesus like never before if you want but never do the things done in Christmas that has nothing to do with Christ but they look like it just because they changed the name and “meaning”...
like the tree decoration is straight out idol worship, you may not worship it but you are partaking the decoration of an idol, decorating a figure/idol is worshiping, that is what they do with calf idols, etc. parties that have nothing to do with Christ is a no also. You can have a party celebrating Jesus and His birth, the Messiah and make it all about Jesus, nothing else but Jesus, not even one thing related to pagan roots but Jesus...
Then you would not be partaking with the pagan traditions of Christmas and would be totally celebrating Jesus that day.
God bless you and your loved ones!
neno5rov altars were first used by God, we can see that in the time of Adam and Eve were they taught Cane and Abel to give sacrifices to God, it had a Godly start but pagans copied it...
many people I've talked to try to connect Christmas with the pagan holiday of yule. there are even some Christmas practices where they have used 'yule logs' during Christmas. they have said everything from the Christmas trees, gift exchange, mistletoe, and even Christmas ham is derived from yule.
Yule logs only date back to the 17th century though. We don't know why people started this practice, but it doesn't go all the way back to paganism. Someone probably named it after the ancient pagan celebration of Yule, but it doesn't directly trace back to Yule.
Tim Hollander documents what took place on Yule in ancient Pagan times:
"It was ancient custom that when sacrifice was to be made, all farmers were to come to the heathen temple and bring along with them the food they needed while the feast lasted. At this feast all were to take part of the drinking of ale. Also all kinds of livestock were killed in connection with it, horses also; and all the blood from them was called hlaut [ sacrificial blood ], and hlautbolli, the vessel holding the blood; and hlautteinar, the sacrificial twigs [ aspergills ]. These were fashioned like sprinklers, and with them were to be smeared all over with blood the pedestals of the idols and also the walls of the temple within and without; and likewise the men present were to be sprinkled with blood. But the meat of the animals was to be boiled and served as food at the banquet. Fires were to be lighted in the middle of the temple floor, and kettles hung over them. The sacrificial beaker was to be borne around the fire, and he who made the feast and was chieftain, was to bless the beaker as well as all the sacrificial meat." - Heimskringla: History of the Kings of Norway page 107
Nothing here sounds like Christmas.
2 minutes in and you are already exposing a lot of fallacies from the anti-christmas group.
"Come let us reason with one another."
If Jesus never celebrated his birth, does that make him part of the anti-christmas crowd?
What about his mom, the disciples, and the apostles? Why didn't he celebrate his birth? Don't other cultures celebrate the birth or incarnation of their deities?
I agree with you 100% and appreciate your work very much. It has been invaluable to my attempts to share the gospel online. I have one thing I would like to caution, and maybe you could do a video on it sometime: The appropriation of truly pagan, magic, shamanistic, and New Age practices of some hyper-charismatic churches, many of which appear to resemble demonic activity more than the work of the Holy Spirit. Their leaders claim they are reclaiming the practices from the devil, and while I can see some form of reclamation or appropriation of some aspects of paganism, these congregations go way too far.
I have been watching your videos for about two weeks now. And want to tell you how grateful I am for what you’re doing. The body of Christ needs people who are gifted in the way you are, perhaps more than ever. I respect the way you weave Holy Scripture with God-given reason to encourage us Christ followers to navigate this life in a way that honors God by obedience, as well as understanding the true scope of what the gospel has accomplished in this world. So many fellow believers, in my view, dramatically underestimate the victory Jesus accomplished on the cross and through His glorious resurrection. The crushing of the serpent’s head prophecied in Genesis was accomplished there. And like a writhing, desperate, dying, venom filled enemy whose days are numbered, the accuser desperately desires us to still believe he has the upper hand in the cosmos. These videos on Christmas and Easter beautifully illustrate the way we should tackle such a lie. Though he cannot steal our hope, He can sure mess with our handling of the freedom Jesus has given us to take back fallen creation for his glory -Using fear and a legalistic sense of “piety” to do so.
Having effectively examined these two holidays In this regard, I am curious what your view on Halloween would be, as I’m sure you have probably been asked before. God bless you for filling a real need in today’s church.
Absolutly great work! This is really spiritual thinking
Some of the historical texts I've read stated that Christmas was created by the Church as an evangelism tactic during a season where clearly a lot of paganistic worship goes on. That can explain the chosen date. But it still doesn't explain the Christmas tree, and why it's not religious in the sense we go to church and worship. Do you really just adopt traditions without question? And I have to dig into some Scriptures to get the verses, but I'm pretty sure you cannot always just reclaim pagan things for God.
Well, we need to go back to original sources on this, and I don't see any evidence of this in our primary sources.
Yes, we adopt traditions all the time. The style of clothes you currently are wearing is an adopted tradition.
***** Because clothing is analogous to observing a controversial religious holiday.
Stephen Pamphile Neither is a Christmas tree. It is just a decoration.
right! Why would God get Satan's Hand-me-downs?
Decoration for CHRISTMAS. Thus pagan.
nice, dude! is this the last video for Christmas?
Yes, back to refuting atheism in January with "Atheism is a delusion (follow up)."
Another big question is why did "the church" change The Fathers holy feast/days of worship for 2 days that were connected to paganism then calling them holy? Seems like the "church" in the 2nd and 3rd centuries could override the prescriptions of YHWH in scripture? We are all free to worship any way we wish and find reasons why and justifications, but if we simply follow the dictates of scripture and the example of our Savior we need no reason or justifications because we are simply being obedient to The Father, His Word, His Son!
I remember in the Torah when Elohim says not to learn the ways of the nations and do it for Him. People are not saying Christmas is pagan because it is similar to pagan traditions, they are saying it because it originated when the Catholic Church set it up as the birthday of Christ because it correpsonded to the already common winter solstice festivals. It doesn't matter of you're not worshipping the same pagan gods, you're performing witchcraft.
And by your reasoning, because other groups worship idols, it doesn't mean that Christians can't. What if a Christian carves a statue and says it's a statue of Jesus, then worships it? It must not be pagan because of what it means to them.
totally agree! not to disagree! open minds are among the few!
sorry my bad!!!
You do realize that doesn't compare, right? We are told specifically not to worship idols. Decorating a pine tree is not an idol.
And we are preforming witchcraft? Are you serious. Please give evidence witchcraft is the simple act of decorating.
***** Celebrating Christmas isn't just about decorating. It's using an ancient winter solstice festival and "Christianizing" it. Christians observe it as a religious festival because they believe it is the birthday of Jesus, when it was actually the birthday of the sun god in ancient pagan mythology, and that's why it is celebrated now, because the Beast of Rome had deceived the world. You're performing witchcraft because you're celebrating a festival which has nothing to do with Elohim, yet you try to make it all about Him. You use pagan symbols and do things which Yahushua would not approve of.
Merry Christmas to You too, IP!
Great video!
Are there any benefits to the so called "sacred geometry" Like the ones you showed in the video, is it necessary? People often look at them in the same way they look at an inverted pentagrams.
I don't think there is any power to that nonsense.
I don't know, after thinking about it more I think that that kind of stuff can work with and go along with the fine tuned universe theory in that every thing is perfectly measured and balanced out. Of course I don't believe it has any magical properties to it or whatever I just think that it's just simple universal geometry. But hey I don't know.
I usually agree with your videos. However, you did not really use the Bible to validate your arguments, and you are not stating the facts accurately. It is not just a matter of Christians doing something that pagans "may have" also done at some point in the past. There is a direct historical connection between many Christmas practices, why Christians practice them, and the pagan roots of those practices. Those practices came into Christianity directly from paganism. They are connected. It is not just a matter of similarity of practices. It is a matter of historical connection of the practice and its reason for being practiced.
Many Christmas practices have no real Christian meaning or history at all. Christians have assigned alleged Christian significance to those practices in order to defend and justify those practices, but most of them are not historically valid.
I did that in part 1: th-cam.com/video/ca_Yx3aMCiE/w-d-xo.html
Direct historical connections? You do realize I went over these supposed connections in the 2nd half of the video and debunked them? If i am wrong, then please give some evidence for your claim.
dooglitas citations needed
Martial Apologist I'm not going to bother. They're easy enough to find.
Martial Apologist They always say that when they don't have any original sources...
Anti Christmas Critics won't touch the resources you're recommending. Still great video, will you be doing one for Easter next year?
Yep!
Can't wait!
In my experience the Anti Christmas, Anti Easter, Anti anything that remotely resembles Catholicism crowd stick to the Two Babylons or claims which simply cannot be verified.
If you're actually investigating the origins of the liturgical year in Christianity, how they came about and more importantly what the feasts and fasts actually mean, then awesome.
What are your reasons for being Anti Christmas? I'm curious.
Good news right before the best news lol
IP im interested about the December 25 as birth of Christ as we celebrated it as Christmas. Can u make a video about how our church father choose that date or any computation how it came out to that date? thanks. Appreciate your work.
Perhaps next December, it is complicated.
I love this channel so much
Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? - Matthew 15:3
And what commandment does Christmas break?
No matter how much logic, history and scripture I present to you, you will not see the folly in the holly jolly pagan Christmas. Do your own research. Do you know Christmas was banned in the US? Not because it was a godly festival. People who thought they could worship the LORD in the ways of this world, they were destroyed or exiled. It is an abomination to the LORD and HE is gonna spit them out. You can argue with me all you want till you skin your fingers' tip but what will you do when you are standing before the judgement seat of Christ? Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
I asked you a simple question, why can't you answer it? What commandment does Christmas break?
Have you ever heard there is Ten Commandments in the Bible?? Way to go breaking Top Three commandments! This is my simple answer to your simple question.
In decorating a house with evergreen that is not disobeying any commandment. You are not making any sense. Where does God say you cannot decorate a pine tree?
The book called Babylonian Mysteries has this:-The Christmas tree, as we know it, only dates back a few
centuries, though ideas about sacred trees are very ancient.
An old Babylonish fable told of an evergreen tree which
sprang out of a dead tree stump. The old stump symbolized
the dead Nimrod, the new evergreen tree symbolized that
Nimrod had come to life again in Tammuz! Among the
Druids the oak was sacred, among the Egyptians it was the
palm, and in Rome it was the fir, which was decorated with
red berries during the Saturnalia!10 The Scandinavian god
Odin was believed to bestow special gifts at yuletide to those
who approacehd his sacred fir tree.11 In at least ten Bibli-
cal references, the green tree is associated with idolatry and
false worship (1 Kings 14:23, etc.) Since all trees are green
at least part of the year, the special mention of “green”
probably refers to trees that are evergreen. “The Christmas
tree...recapitulates the idea of tree worship...gilded nuts
and balls symbolize the sun...all of the festivities of the
winter solstice have been absorbed into Christmas day...the
use of holly and mistletoe from the Drudic ceremonies; the
Christmas tree from the honors paid to Odin’s sacred fir.” So yeah, it's pagan.
hahaahaahahahaahahahahahahahahahahah no just no thats really really wrong though and its not pagan though
Whoever told you this is doing nothing more than saying nonsense.
In Genesis 10:9 it said that Nimrod was a mighty hunter for the Lord
He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
He addressed Saturnalia in 7:34
In response to fir trees you obviously didn't read Isaiah 60:13
The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.
@@lightningsamurai4482 you're a fool if you think that either Christmas or the tree has anything to do with the Christ. It's just a reason for being a glutton, vain, drunken, frivolous.
Jeremiah 10
King James Version
10 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
@@albertohernandez8721 Are you baying like a fonkey? Whats 'really' wrong? The writer has researched the history and found that. You want to lean to some pagan way because you like Christmas? That's your problem. Although Christ has nothing to do with Christmas unfortunately.
@@MSHOOD123 there's no evidence that Nimrod actually was a living breathing person except genesis 10 and that doesn't mention anything about your little bed time story. There's really no evidence about Christmas has to do anything with the supposed character of Nimrod. Except from a old book called the the Two Babylons written by a crackpot. Was this really was a story that was told in the ancient world. For that we need to know what the original source of the story was. Was this story recorded on ancient clay tablets or written on the walls of a temple, etc.? If so, where are these tablets housed today? Where is this temple?
If the story is recorded by an ancient historian, then which historian is it? Where can we find this work for ourselves? When did the historian write his account? Where did he get his information from, etc? Does the historian claim the account actually occurred, or does he refer to it as a myth? And so on, and so forth.
What will you make videos on after these Christmas ones?
Many other things.
Hold on IP. Although I'm happy for that very specific answer, I just sent your video on the Census of Quirinius to Tim O'Neil, an atheist historian who thinks it is in error. This was his response to your points -- what are your thoughts?
TIM O'NEIL:
“Herod fell out of favour with Augustus and so his autonomy would have been taken away.”
Total nonsense. There is zero evidence of any fall from grace by Herod leading to the Roman starting the onerous process of administering his province directly. On the contrary, all the evidence indicates that they only did so when they deposed his son Archelaus because he proved incompetent. And when they did so the first census they undertook - the one in 6 AD - caused a rebellion because it violated Jewish religious law. Why would these rebels suddenly get angry about a Roman census if there had already been one just ten years earlier? Didn’t they notice that one? More garbage.
“The census was started under Herod the Great but not completed until Quirinius was governor”
Nonsense. Nowhere in all of our records of the Romans’ relations with client kingdoms is there any evidence of the Romans administering a census in a subject territory. Nowhere. That defeated the whole point of a client kingdom - taking away the expensive and difficult task of administering taxation and just taking the tax from the client king. Again, garbage.
“The Greek word “hegemon” refers to a wide range of official titles, not just Governor”
Big deal. Publius Sulpicius Quirinius was a patrician and an ex-consul. The ONLY role he could hold in a Roman province was legatus pro praetore - or what we call “governor”. If he had been a prefectus or a procuratore he would have been acting under another patrician and ex-consul legatus. And in the Roman cursus honorum, that could not happen. What the idiot in that video is claiming is, again, pseudo historical garbage.
“Anmd Luke says the census was the first, so there were later censuses by Quirinius”.
More nonsense. (i) As I note above, the Romans never administered censuses in subject kingdoms. Never. (ii) To administer an earlier census Quirnius would had to have been acting as a junior subordinate to a fellow ex-consul. Men of this rank did not do this - such positions were held by lower-ranked equestrians, not the highest ranked aristocrats in the Empire.
So spare me your stupid, ignorant and pseudo historical Christian apologetic garbage. That crap is only convincing to people with no grasp of the relevant period.
MHM EEKK I gave sources in the video for Herod falling out of favor. Josephus tells us this. Also the rebellion in Judea was about becoming a province and losing control over their lands to Rome. The census was signifying that.
I guess because false teachers and cults having churches. I guess I can't go to church????
Larry Reneau t No, and you can't honor your father and mother either because pagans worshipped their ancestors.
Great Work!!
Pagans eat food! Lets not eat food! Are yall kidding me? This is why we need Jesus Christ to come quick! The world is just too nasty and not logical anymore
I get your drift and it lines up with Paul's insructions on eating food dedicated to idols..of course God can cleanse anything created and it's our heart posture that really matters..please remember that he also said that if some are stumbled by the idea or act that they should not partake...and that's ok too. Again it's the heart condition that matters. If I feel like celebrating Christmas is a satanic mockery of Jesus then I would be deeply wounded if I participated. Or if I were to carry on celebrating in front of brothers and sisters who felt that way I would be stumbling them..and since we are not biblically ordered to celebrate His birth...I just leave the whole mess alone and celebrate his life and sacrifice to the best of my ability everyday
"Our ancestors restricted the Saturnalia to a single day, the fourteenth before the Kalends of January, but, after Gaius Caesar had added two days to December, the day on which the festival was held became the sixteenth before the Kalends of January, with the result that, since the exact day was not commonly known-some observing the addition which Caesar had made to the calendar and others following the old usage -the festival came to be regarded as lasting for more days than one."
-Macrobius
"From that time there is no mention of the celebration of Sol Invictus in Roman history until the rule of Aurelian (A.D. 270-275). Aurelian did try to re-introduce the worship of Sol Invictus by decree in the year 274. But there is no record of this festival being held on December 25th. “The traditional feast days of Sol, as recorded in the early imperial fasti, were August 8th and/or August 9th, possibly August 28th, and December 11th.”
(Hijmans, p. 588 )
Merry Christmas to you too, InspiringPhilosophy!
Did you know Santa is the patron saint of prostitutes? LMAO! 😂🤣 My only objection is to the whole Santa thing is that if you lie to them about Santa, how can you expect them to believe you about God? I remember how upset I was when I found out that Santa didn't exist. It placed severe doubt on the existence of God.
He got them ho ho hoes.
That's exactly what Christmas and Santa Claus does! They make Santa out to be GOD LIKE! WHEN YOU FIND OUT SANTA WAS A LIE, AS A KID, YOU WILL ALSO THINK GOD IS A LIE TOO! NOT TOO MENTION TEACHING A KID ITS ALRIGHT TO LIE!!!
For people who define themselves by what religious practices they observe every holiday is extremely important and either falls into a category of “must observe” or “must avoid”. They will see things very differently than most of us ever could. For a person who sees particular days as sacred and more holy than other days, they will also recognize that holidays which fall outside of their religion to be especially problematic, for in the same way that they hold their own holidays in reverence, they will hold disdain for other holidays simply because this is the way their minds work. I don’t view any day as being especially sacred or holy and I view all days as being equally holy unto God. Days like Christmas and Easter hold no special place of holiness or sacredness, but instead they are particular days within particular seasons where we can remember significant events with families and feasts etc. Saturday means nothing sacred or special, Jesus is our Sabbath, so a day on the weekend holds no sacred place. Sunday is nothing special or sacred, it is a day of remembrance and of gathering, but it is not the Christian Sabbath. There is nothing wrong with holding a special reverence for a Sunday or for Easter or Christmas, but I don’t see it as anything that adds to our faith. Christ is sacred. The Body is sacred. We gather together with One Another, that is sacred. A day is nothing. Many Christians call Sunday “Lord’s Day”. No… every day is His. If anything it would make more sense to call Sunday “The Gathering Day” or “Saint’s Day” because that is the day of the week when most Christians meet with fellow believers and spend time together. We don’t have to go anywhere special to pray because God is always with us.
So we really ultimately only have speculation about why December 25th became such an important holiday to Christians. You should talk more about Saint Noel. Who was this man really. I loved this video by the way.
WHY WAS DECEMBER 25 BECAME THE DATE OF CHRISTMAS?
Some clues could be found in the GOSPEL OF LUKE.
1.John The Baptist was conceived in the YOM KIPPUR/DAY OF ATONEMENT(Leviticus 23:27) which is on SEPT. 22-30 in the Gregorian Calendar when Zacharaiah, who is a priest on the division of Abijah (Lk. 1:5) on the 8th rotation (1 Chronicles 24:10) served on the Temple of Jerusalem.
2.Mary conceived Jesus after the announcement to her by Angel Gabriel, 6 MONTHS after the conception of John The Baptist (Lk. 1:26-28) which fell on MARCH.
3.John The Baptist was born, 9 months after his conception in September.
4.Jesus was born, 9 months after his conception on March. Thus, DECEMBER 25.
Thank you for your research. Some think it was too cold in Dec. for the shephards to be in the fields. Not so. Jesus was born during the Roman Warm Period (300BC-AD400). It was so warm, Hannibal was able to cross the Alps with elephants because there was no snow. The average low in Isreal in Dec. today is 50F, so you can imagine how warm it was in the Middle East. I suspect the weather in Dec. was perfect.
Obviously they're unaware of the fact that in some countries that it's never cold in or in some states in the U.S as well
Even if it was cold, they might be out there despite it. Judea isn't exactly Alaska.
In the Poem of Man-God, from Maria-Valtorta (which I believe it is a true revelation of Christ), He says he was borned on 25 of Casleu (jewish ninth month of the year).This is actually closer to the begining of december. This is the celebration day of Hanoukka; the purification of the Temple by Judah Maccabee in 164 b.c.
great job dear sir!
As a Christian, I don't care much about Christmas, but I really appreciate this video. A bigger issue for me is the Virgin of Guadalupe from Mexico. Omg, could you do a video on the origins of this image? I have always wondered. Or could you at least refer me to some resources? Thanks!
Our Lady of Guadalupe is Mary. But those who believe in Guadalupe are worshipping Mary. Making the Virgin Guadalupe an Idol. Anything that is worshipped, prayed to, or made into a shrine for worshipping is considered an idol. Jesus says to worship and pray to God (in His name). Nothing is to be honored more than Jesus Christ who is King of kings and Lord of lords. The Father is glorified in the Son (Jesus).
Our lady. That image was giving to us by God and wasn’t painted by human hands
@@LifewithBreanna_ 🤡 prayers to mary aren’t sinful
@@LifewithBreanna_ They do not put her on a level with the trinity but they recognize her as the highest being outside of the trinity because she has a more intimate relationship with Christ than anyone else.
Our lady of Guadalupe is based on a claimed vision of the virgin Mary in Aztec clothing during the time of the conquestadors.
I’m not a catholic but I do appreciate your non biased sources you presented. I’m so tied of the anti Christmas crowd and their fear mongering.
good video brother God bless you. Its only what you make something.
I have always agreed with his reasoning that it is the motive behind an activity that counts morally, but that raises a question: what if someone ignorant that...say, adultery...is wrong is committing adultery but only with the best of intentions toward his newfound God in mind, does that mean he isn't sinning? Poor analogy but you get what I mean.
GREAT VIDEO!!! Also check out James White on Sermon Audio "The Origins of Christmas".
Colossians 2:8 "See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ."
@christopher snedeker It will be in the Bible. An instruction to do so
@@babylonexposed9973 Where do you think the festivals originated? Long before Israel was given instruction to give glory to the father on the festival days, the nations for hundreds of years had been holding festivals to the gods for the spring and fall harvest. They brought gifts to the "gods" in the city where the pagan temple was located. And there was no temple to Yahweh at that time. Melchizedek never had a temple to God in Salem. He didn't offer dead animals to the father for sin or anything else.
I find that most people who claim that Christmas and Easter cannot be "Christianized" do not realize that God took pagan celebration days and used them for his good for a couple of reasons-one, to use them as a tutor and object lessons for the future and 2, if he hadn't, Israel would have been tempted to travel to the pagan cities to their temples and engage in their festivals. The pagans participated in orgies, cutting themselves and drunkenness at these festivals, so God did not allow that at his festivals, But the act of going to the temple city, bringing gifts to offer to him, and celebrating with circle dances and fellowship and even allowing them to buy whatever their heart desired for the festival of Sukkot-this was his way of letting them have the festivals, but putting limits on what they could do so that they didn't do as the pagans did with the lude behavior.
Any quick study into ancient religion will show you that these were common pagan practices. Abraham did not need a temple, a pagan city to travel to to celebrate at these times because he did not desire things of the world. He had a relationship with the father and they were friends. Israel DID desire to be like the nations and so the father gave them festivals that were at the same time and so they would offer their harvest to him and not the pagan gods and celebrate in an acceptable way.
God told Jeremiah that he never desired to give Israel the practice of sacrifices or even a covenant, but because of THIER evil hearts and desiring to follow their evil hearts, he gave them these things. (Jeremiah 7:21-24, 11:6-8) They could have just had the same covenant Abraham had which was a covenant of promise and the only covenant that was called a "holy covenant" but instead, they were given laws in stone (like the pagans did) and a temple (like the pagans did) and a huge priesthood (like the pagans did) and festivals (like the pagans did) in a certain city where the temple was located (like the pagans did) and sacrifices (like the pagans did). Yet back in Exodus 15 when he first brought them out of Egypt he made a simple request, a statute to listen to his voice, do what was right and follow what ever he commanded. (like Abraham had done) but they didn't want to. They didn't even want to hear his voice at Mt Sinai so they got laws in stone instead like all the other pagan nations. But they complained at Moses and Aaron in Exodus 16 and said they wish they had died in Egypt. They complained about water in Ex 17. They were ungrateful and were not turning to the father for their needs, but instead, complaining to Moses and Aaron that they didn't have what they wanted. God knew their hearts. They were not ready to be like Abraham.
But the practice of taking something pagan and removing the evil parts of it and replacing it with teaching tools toward the father is something God himself did.
There is a reason God kept telling Israel he doesn't dwell in temples made with hands and he doesn't like to be worshipped in temples. The pagans loved to worship their gods in temples. The demonic "gods" love to be worshipped in temples. The pagans built the first temples. God gave Israel a temple because that was the desire of THEIR hearts-not his, but in his love and mercy he met them where they were spiritually and emotionally. That's how much he loved them.
@@babylonexposed9973 is there an instruction on how to repair cars and such on the bible?
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🎄 *The argument that Christmas traditions are evil because they resemble pagan practices lacks solid reasoning; harmless practices are not immoral, and it's the motive behind them that matters.*
01:21 🌲 *Just because pagans may have used certain objects like trees for rituals, it doesn't make it wrong for Christians to use them for holiday traditions. The focus should be on the meaning and intent behind the practice.*
02:32 ⭐ *Objects or symbols shared between different groups, such as the six-pointed star, don't carry inherent evil; it's about the meaning assigned to them. The origin of an object used by pagans doesn't determine its nature.*
03:40 📖 *The New Testament writers, like using the phrase "king of kings" from paganism for Jesus, demonstrate that Christians can adopt elements from other traditions and apply them in a way that aligns with their beliefs.*
05:34 ☦️ *Reclaiming objects or practices used by pagans for Christ is seen in historical examples, like the obelisk at the Vatican, which was repurposed with Christian symbolism.*
06:27 📅 *Claims that December 25th was chosen for Christmas due to pagan holidays lack strong evidence; historical references and early Christian traditions indicate a long-standing celebration of Christmas on this date.*
09:52 🎄 *Traditional Christmas elements like trees and Santa Claus don't necessarily have pagan origins; their histories involve various cultural influences and adaptations over time.*
12:23 🌿 *Christmas wreaths, while used in various cultures for different purposes, lack direct evidence of being taken from pagan rituals. The focus should be on the heart and motive behind the traditions rather than associating them with paganism.*
13:20 🎉 *The message encourages a guilt-free holiday and emphasizes that God cares more about one's heart and motives than the objects or customs associated with pagan history. Research and understanding should replace fear-based perspectives.*
Another great video.
While you read my comment, try to keep in mind that most of my greatest childhood memories are attached to Christmas. Family members I rarely saw and will never see again. Memories of my Father and the way he would glow as he watched us open our presents with glee. The cheerful music and decorations and the way it turns a cold snowy day into something to be happy about. Not a day goes by in December that I dont wish i could cast all this knowledge aside and join in with everyone I love. If there were any way I could defend Christmas and sleep at night, I would be the first in line.
Notice that none of the things I miss about Christmas had anything to do with Jesus. A fact I'm not proud of but I doubt I'm alone.
You straw man the argument right off the bat. 2: is more like pagan practices were integrated into the church by Rome to intentionally mingle the religions together and then they came up with innocent cover stories for going through the motions of the same rituals. Your "lack of evidence" amounts to you using technicalities and false equivalencies to justify what you want to do. Such a dishonest way to have this debate.
I dont think "intent" is an effective scapegoat when you're being constantly warned and you're too proud to consider that you might be wrong. Furthermore, youre teaching that not only is Christmas good, but that people who argue against it are bad, stupid, ignorant etc., when your strongest defense amounts to little more than "the bible doesnt say specifically NOT to celebrate the holiday Christmas by name." The bible also doesn't say not to listen to Jay-Z music but I think I can apply some basic principles and figure it out. Then there's also your "church fathers did it" excuse, which is silly because those are men like you and I. They also were without alternative media, revised history, internet, a postal system etc. So THOSE guys might be able to claim ignorance. You cant
Your logic is broken. "Well if a pagan wears pants..." Ridiculous is right.... Do they wear a certain kind of pants as a way of worshiping their god? Should we wear THOSE pants? For any reason? Rappers wear clothes with baphomet on it. Can I wear those if I just like how soft the fabric is and I dont worship baphomet?
Your great example is the star of David on the Israeli flag? It's a symbol of witchcraft because, well, the people who came up with it are into witchcraft... What do you think kabbalah is?
You mention the trees in the garden of Eden and dont recognize the coiled tinsel climbing up the Christmas tree like a serpent. Also just a coincidence that that tree, with the tinsel serpent on it, is where you get all your material gifts from on the day in question.
You're also mistaken about Santa Claus, who himself is all knowing, all seeing, omnipresent and immortal. If you didnt know his reputation you could call him nothing other than a god. That's without going into his other obvious links to ancient pagan deities. Do you know why he's called Claus? Because Krampus, his old sidekick, who represents the devil, translates into "claw". So they took all their pagan gods, white washed them with the name of Nicholas, then integrated him with the devil. He is Satan Claws. Just a big coincidence I know... Then he sits on his throne in "flaming" red attire and waits for you to offer your child to him. Sound familiar? No I'm sure that sounds silly to a great scholar like yourself.
You couldn't be convinced with any sort of evidence. Any variation whatsoever allows you to completely write off the obvious similarities. You are blinded by your tradition.
In 1659 We banned Christmas in America. We should have left it that way.
Very well said!!! Peace
Axactly bruh, he insisted coincidence as always lol, he's just tryna turns the factual history into his own understanding just to be fit in his own philosophy lol
The Church didn't fuse paganism and Christianity. If you wanna prove otherwise, give sources.
Excellent rebuttal
I think that is a stretch using 1 Corinthians 15:25-28, considering various Old Testament passages that indicate we should avoid pagan practices. I do agree that things like trees or beards could be used for good or evil. I have seen churches make rules against beards, because of the hippies of the 60s.. Such rules are dated and in the end are for naught. And I would agree that the Christmas tree is something of an enigma. I don't think we know all the history of it, and clearly those passages are being used out of context to say they are pagan. However, December 25th indeed is a pagan holiday used for Winter Solstice. And indeed the Devil infiltrated the true religion even in Jesus' time. So to say such pagan symbols could not be a cover for evil, is foolish. Clearly, Pope Francis himself not only contradicts Catholic Theology, but also standard Christianity. He has said some rather blasphemous things. This is why many conservative Catholics say he is a false pope. And clearly, paganism has saturated both the Protestant and Catholic Church in many respects. We don't even need to refer to pagan symbols. Their mere theology alone attests to this fact.
LMAO! The Jews wore beards tho.
Pope Francis is working for the Antichrist system, trying to join all the world religions into one.
@@anahata3478 It's not an "absurd conspiracy theory." I'm willing to bet my life that if you ask God about whether Francis is working for the antichrist system, He'll respond with "yes, he does." For example, he has said that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are "good people." He has also said we should not focus on religious differences, practically merging all religions to a universal one-world religion slowly.
@@anahata3478 Isn't there a video of him with people from other religion saying that they worship the same god with upbeat music?
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Christmas Trees are not pagan. They come from 1500s Germany. Not pre-Christian paganism.
By that logic even if it were pagan then stop using wedding rings or wedding cakes, wedding anniversaries.
Another possible reason for the dating of Christmas has to do with the Gospel of Luke's timeline and its relation to the Jewish liturgical calendar at that time. Zechariah the priest, father of John the Baptist, is described in Luke 1 as ministering in the Temple when the angel Gabriel appears to him and announces that he will have a son. Historical records indicate that Zechariah's served in the Temple during late September and early October. Luke 1 also that after Gabriel appeared to Mary and announced she would give birth to the Messiah, she went to see Elizabeth, who was six months into her pregnancy. Add six months to September (John's conception) and you get March (Christ's conception), then add nine months to March and you get December.
The dating of Christmas is Saturnalia. It's literally the same exact holiday and they threw in Jesus. Same week, same traditions, gift giving, trees, mistletoe, yule logs, etc etc etc.
Argument for a late December Birth
The argument for assigning late December as the rightful date of the birth of Yeshua is based on the assumption that Zechariah was told that Elizabeth would conceive a child during the solemn holiday of Yom Kippur ("Day of Atonement").
1. Yeshua’s cousin, John the Baptist, was conceived just after Yom Kippur (Tishri 10) and born 40 weeks later in Tammuz (June/July), because:
a. John's father (Zechariah) was a Levite who was assigned to serve in the Temple during the course of “Aviyah,” the 8th course of the year. However, the 8th course would serve both on the 10th week of the year as well as on the 35th week: 24 (first complete cycle) + 1 (Sukkot) + 10 = 35.
b. This places Zechariah's service in the Temple as during the High Holiday of Yom Kippur, and this seems to agree with the description given about how Gabriel spoke to Zechariah in the narrative (Luke 1:8-23).
c. It is written that John was conceived shortly after this tour of duty (Luke 1:23-4), perhaps on 17 Tishri. Therefore, John the Baptist was probably conceived shortly after the Yom Kippur and would have been born on the 17th of Tammuz (June/July).
2. Yeshua was conceived in Nisan (Mar/Apr), near Passover, and born 40 weeks later during late December, because:
a. Yeshua was conceived six months after John the Baptist (Luke 1:24-27, 36). Adding 6 months to Tammuz 17 leads us to Nisan 17 (two days after Passover).
b. Since Yeshua was born six months after John, we add six months John’s birthday (the 17th of Tammuz) to arrive at the 17th Tevet (late December).
Good video. I've always thought Christmas wasn't bad but was suspicious of pagan practices. I never heard this information before this is eye opening. I'll continue celebrating Christmas as I have always done to praise God and the principle of family love.
As long as you celebrate it for jesus christ birthday then it's all good.
even tho he wasn't born dec 25th idk when he was born@@winning3329
I will continue celebrating the birth of my Lord and Saviour on 25th December because God looks not at the outward, but at the heart! If I start worshipping the tree I put up, then God will convict me!
The tree reminds me of:
Adam and Eve's sin (taking the fruit from a tree) which leads to
Jesus dying upon a tree to redeem us from our sins!
The lights remind me that Jesus is the Light of the world, come to dispel the darkness of sin
The red baubles remind of Jesus shed blood
The purple baubles remind me that He is King of kings
The blue baubles remind me that He is High Priest, sacrificing Himself for His people
I never did the Santa Claus thing with my kids because throughout the year you're telling your kids not to lie, then for one day you lie to your kids ('you' being used in a general sense, not specific)
Christmas Cake is made from the fruits of the vine - Jesus said He is the Vine!
People do go overboard - I work in a food store and people overindulge, but so long as Christians appreciate ALL that God has given them and give thanks for His bountiful giving of food and love, grace and mercy, I can't see a problem with eating turkey and veg for Christmas Day!
At Jeremiah 10:2 Jehovah God is telling Israel NOT to learn the ways of the nations. This would include their worship. Once learned, they would soon follow in defiance of Jehovah. One such 'way' of the nations was mentioned in chapter 19, verse 5; And they built the high places of the Ba'al in order to burn their sons in the fire a whole burnt offering to Ba'al,
Human sacrifices, the burning of their own children to worship their pagan god Tammuz. This was done on pagan holidays, including December 25. To continue celebrating these holidays, is a reminder of how they were celebrated. You can do the research and find out that birthday celebration was started to celebrate the birth of Tammuz, and his birthday was December 25. One reference book to look at is "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop. Christmas is just one BIG LIE......there are no Santa Clauses, Dec. 25 is not the birthday of Jesus Christ, he was not visited by three wise men on the night of his birth.
DO NOT FOLLOW the ones that have fulfilled the scripture at Romans 1:25, those that have exchanged the truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created, who is blessed forever, Amen
What Pagan holidays were celebrated December 25th?
@@averygibsonThe book THE TWO BABYLONS point to December 25th as the birthday of Tammuz the child of Isis who was the wife of Nimrod. She was the one to create the celebration of birthdays. Tammuz went on to be considered a god. The making of the cross was the same jester made of believers of the false god Tammuz......
These celebrations found their way into the catholic church that you see today and her off shoots.......(Revelations call them harlots Rev.17:5)
@@geraldsutton9981 That's actually very interesting. I would like to follow up with a question, how does this make celebrating Christmas "wrong"? And I apologize if you do not believe this, you're being awfully cryptic.
@@averygibson I'm sorry Avery, most of what I say, I get from the bible and it is VERY CRYPTIC. If you study where different customs/celebrations originated from, you find that most of them come from false religion. The bible, the WORD of God tells us not to follow after other gods. (Jeremiah 25:6)
Wasn’t the Crucifixion in April though? I’ve always heard the date April 3rd, 33 A.D.
9 months from that would be January 3rd, not December 25th. Just something I noticed, maybe someone could clarify.
The tradition about the first Easter being on March 25 was likely wrong, but it was indeed the tradition. (It likely relates the traditional date of attempted sacrifice of Isaac, not historic memory.)
@@ReasonedAnswers interestingly enough, I’ve been studying this further since I made this comment, and I actually think the March 25th date may have been retroactively considered the first Easter date (and also the conception date of CHRIST) because CHRIST’s being born on the 25th of December.
Basically, it appears to me that ancients had two facts about JESUS that did not line up with their preconceived superstitions, the facts being His birth date (12/25) and crucifixion date (Nisan 14; likely 04/03), and the superstition being that He should live a mathematically perfect life, I.e. die on His birthday. Because this superstition contradicts the facts they knew, they changed their beliefs about the superstition post hoc, and tried to make it that JESUS was conceived on His crucifixion date and gestated perfectly (9 months exactly) rather than born in His crucifixion date.
It happened shortly after Passover.
Hey, how you, as an idealist, avoid falling in the Myth of Given?
+InspiringPhilosohy
Overall i like both videos but im not so sure about you citing 1Cor. 25-28 to saction certain ways that "christians" can claim things for Christ. I get the overall message is that one day there will be nothing in existence that stands opposed to Christ because he will have no more enemies and will reign as King. But Gods concern is not with symbols and traditions as much as it is with mankind who put meaning behind these things. The early church and the church in general should have put more time into preaching the gospel of Kingdom not rededicating pagan symbols. Our mission is to help win people to Christ by sharing the gospel of the Kingdom. Mark 16:15, Matt. 28:19, Matt. 24:14. We can preach the gospel and help Christ subdue the world without ever adopting or readopting symbols or traditions.
I get your point all things were made for God and that because we are in a fallen world that the enemy of God has tried to lay claim to things. But things like the Star of David really is a pagan symbol of sorcery, a talisman from a grimoire (Heptameron or Magical Elements by Peter de Abano.) Jews like other people did practice magic (Ancient Jewish Magic by Gideon Bohak). The hexagon on the Isreali flag does not automatically mean sorcery, but having a talisman symbol on a flag doesn't mean no magic is involved either. It is Possible to take part in something ignorantly with a mindset contrary to your activity like when Paul told the Greeks they worshiped God ignorantly Acts 17:23.
Finally when you say christians should subdue things for Christ and cite the obelisk, I think this is a poor example. A better one would be, again, Paul with the Unknown God Acts 17:23-25. He subdues the peoples god for christ and explains to the people that the god they worship is the God that he declares. He doesnt find there altar and try to rededicate it along with the pantheon of greek gods. He simply preaches the gospel to people. The obelisk was brought there in 37AD-rededicated in 1586. what was its purpose for over 1500 years. Putting a cross (a symbol) on another symbol isnt claiming it for God. There is no power in symbols for or against God.
The obelisk is believed to be the last thing St. Peter saw before he died during his upside down crucifixion.
im from the Netherlands he is right Saint Nicolas (who was actually a turkish bishop, he attended the council at Nicea) is still celebrated here.
And Father Christmas, the Yule Father, was one of the names of Odin who road an eight legged horse through the winter sky on the wild hunt, visiting houses for sustainance and bestowing gifts and boons on those who did....
@@harryjester282 Santa Claus is "adopted" from the Dutch
@@michielvdvlies3315 yes.... And he was the Christian face the stuck on the Dutch Yule Father... Just like sticking the face or the Borgia kid on Jesus.
@@harryjester282 lol do some research pls!! Because no you are making ignorant statements
@@michielvdvlies3315 loool I'm literally giving you direct citable evidence for what I'm saying and you're telling me to do research 😂 yeah, great way to make yourself look intelligent 😂 I'm guessing you've never even heard of the Oera Linda book either? Do ya research bruh
Christmas in swedish is called jul. Before we became christians we had a different winter holiday called juul. But apart from the food, swedish christmas songs and stuff like that we celebrate christmas the universal way. But it's weird that we replaced juul with a new holiday but called it by the same name.
(A little viking trivia: Apparently the juul festival was WILD, people partyed for three days straight and lots of strong alcohol were consumed. Walls were painted with horse blood. Even guests were splashed with horse blood. And strangers passing by were welcomed and encouraged to stay, especially if they came from somewhere far away, so that they could tell stories and tales that the hosts and other guests hadn't heard before.)
Is there any ancient evidence of the Star of David used in Ancient Isreal?
I'm impressed by your research IP, once again- good job! No one will know which date exactly is Jesus birthday, however there is nothing wrong to set a date to celebrate about Jesus being born, that eventually fulfilled his mission on earth. Thanks and have a Merry Christmas:)
I would add if shepherds and lamb's were involved then it is likely in the spring and the lambs were intend for the Passover, which is of courses symbolizes Jesus as the true Passover lamb as well and should put the end to any pagan ideas of Xmas. Happy Birthday My lord and Master. Amen.
this is what confuses me about people debating otherwise. Worship Christ everyday, just because it's Christmas doesn't mean to skip your worship lol. Yes, I give and receive presents on Christmas day. But later that day, I'm reading my Bible and praying. I don't do anything else on Christmas but give away and receive. I don't believe it's His birth day, cause I don't know His birth day. But worship Him everyday. If you don't want to do what Christmas does, don't. don't bash the day though, instead worship Christ.
Christmas is not a biblical word or term and the term appears to originate from Catholic terminology meaning Christ mass/feast. In recent times, in the West, and opitimised by the way many, including atheists, celebrate it, it has revealed its father known as santa clause aka father christmas. Ironically the word santa can be rearranged to spell the word satan...
Personally, I would rather revere Christ on this and every day and use the time to evangalise to the unsaved as opposed to lauding myself and others with gifts and merryment. If I truly wish to celebrate Christs coming, as the wise men appeared to do, then i would give unto Christ at this time. How do I give unto Christ?.. I would take a guess and refer to Matthew 24 where Yashua aka Jesus said "whatever you did unto any one of those, you did unto Me" (feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick and imprisoned)
The Great I Am in another words ..Opeartion Christmas child
@@marysunshine2027 you get my drift? Imagine if all monatery contributions in the name of Christmas were spent on the underprivileged and peoples time was spent supporting others in need.
@@marysunshine2027 😆 You need to study the bible.
@@justchilling704 I'm just pointing out the irony and the possible intent, after all, we could have called him Saint Nicholas, Saint Nick, Saint Nicky. We transliterate the Hebrew Yashua to the Greek Jesus. The image of santa clause does not quite match the image of Saint Nicholas either and there apprars to be depictions of how St Nicholas actually looked. Plus, now we call him father christmas.
Our bible tells us that the devil deceives the whole world and i guess there is or will be many deceptions. Could this be one of them? I dont know, but the devils tactics have always been truth mixed with lies from the garden of Eden to deceive us.
Personally, I will continue to celebrate the coming of Christ as part of Gods plan for His Kingdom to come and His Will to be done here on earth as it is in heaven, throughout the year, rather than say I am celebrating Christmas as His coming, and especially not in the way it is currently celebrated as I have already made reference to.
God gives us choice, His Holy Spirit gives us revelations.
May you be blessed with revelations through The Holy Spirit.
@@thegreatiam6849 Satan and humans do not own anything in this world. All creation, symbols and days belong to God. Christmas is just a way of returning creation to it's proper owner.
Hey IP, I do not believe that Jeremiah 10 is talking about Christmas trees. I am curious as to what your thoughts are on
Deuteronomy 16:21?
What about it?
Well that verse is obvious that ancient asherah worship was not just carved wooden idol worship, but in fact the worshipping of trees. Now is that connected to the modern day Christmas tree, probably not....but I wouldn't totally throw it out the bag. Anyway, I am in the anti Christmas crowd, but I will say you have pointed me in the direction of studying "original sources" and to study ante Nicene Church leaders, so I do thank you for that. Have a good day.
Well, let me point out the verse says it was a "pole," not a pine tree. Also, Isaiah 41:19-20 says the pine tree is a symbol of God.
Also, no one tries to worship Jesus through a pine tree on Christmas, that would be a misrepresentation of a simple holiday decoration by the anti-holiday crowd.
I read the passage in Isaiah and in context it is just talking about Gods wonderful creation and that He is going to put certain trees in it. I don't think that passage is talking about a pine tree being a "symbol of God"
Do a word study on "The Grove" in your Strongs. It is easy to see that Asherah worship is a carved wooden pole throughout the Bible, but idk man, that Deuteronomy 16 passage seems to be pretty clear that it is also tree worship...I looked up the Hebrew and it definitely has the word "etz."
Judith M. Hadley has a book called "The cult of Ashrah in ancient israel and judah"(I only read the free pdf which is a short version). It seems that she says many authors/archeologists think that it is a wooden pole worship and tree worship. The christmas tree thing is not a huge deal to me(kindav), I look at it more like a "system" that controls peoples minds.
But look man, I am not a troll and neither do I wish to debate this issue through a youtube comment section. Its obvious that you are set in your thinking. Honestly IP, I do thank you for pointing out original sources and Ante Nicene Church Leaders. I will have to do some digging for myself.
Okay, but did you read v20, where it says that we when we see these tree we will know that He is God? That is actually what a symbol is if it represents something like the power of God.
You do realize even if it is tree worship that doesn't matter since Isaiah 41 shows the trees were created by God and represent his power. Why are you afraid of trees? Who made them? No one is worshiping trees when they decorate a pine tree in the winter...
While I reject any connections between Christmas or paganism as being either real or significant. I can see why some would think that it is connected or at least formerly associated. If they want to live a more pious and dedicated life, they are free to do so, good for them. But it is wrong if they try to guilt you into doing it as well.
WHY WAS DECEMBER 25 BECAME THE DATE OF CHRISTMAS?
Some clues could be found in the GOSPEL OF LUKE.
1.John The Baptist was conceived in the YOM KIPPUR/DAY OF ATONEMENT which is on SEPT. 22-30 in the Gregorian Calendar when Zacharaiah, who is a priest on the division of Abijah (Lk. 1:15) on the 8th rotation (1 Chronicles 24:5) served on the Temple of Jerusalem.
2.Mary conceived Jesus after the announcement to her by Angel Gabriel, 6 MONTHS after the conception of John The Baptist (Lk. 1:26) which fell on MARCH.
3.John The Baptist was born, 9 months after his conception in September.
4.Jesus was born, 9 months after his conception on March. Thus, DECEMBER 25.
@Mr Kish correction, it is LUKE 1:5-25 and 1 Chronicles 24:10.That indicates Zechariah being the priest who burns incense during THE DAY OF ATONEMENT. The Day of Atonement or Yom Kippur is commemorated in late September in the modern calendar. That is when John The Baptist was conceived. So if John the Baptist was conceived in late September and Jesus was conceived 6 months later, that would make late March the month Jesus was conceived.
About the Sol Invictus date, sorry but you got it all wrong. Here is some source for you.
"From that time there is no mention of the celebration of Sol Invictus in Roman history until the rule of Aurelian (A.D. 270-275). Aurelian did try to re-introduce the worship of Sol Invictus by decree in the year 274. But there is no record of this festival being held on December 25th. “The traditional feast days of Sol, as recorded in the early imperial fasti, were August 8th and/or August 9th, possibly August 28th, and December 11th.”(Hijmans, p. 588 )"
About Saturnalia, you got it wrong again.
"I think that we have now given abundant proof that the festival of the Saturnalia used to be celebrated on only one day, the fourteenth before the Kalends of January, but that it was afterward prolonged to last three days: first, in consequence of the days which Caesar added to the month of December, and then in pursuance of an edict of Augustus which prescribed a series of three rest days for the Saturnalia. The festival therefore begins on the sixteenth day before the Kalends of January and ends on the fourteenth, which used to be the only day of its celebration." (Macrobius Pg.23)
@Mr Kish you just missed the point, not there is no back up.
@Mr Kish there is no winter in Bethlehem during December. Evidences indicate that the cold weather is tolerable for the sheep during those times and there are no heavy snows.
@Mr Kishand by the way, your accusations that Christmas is based on pagan festivals does not hold water. They don't even share the same dates. Pathetic.
@Mr Kish you are the one who is making a BLATANT LIE. You can't even provide LEGITIMATE SOURCE THAT NIMROD WAS BORN ON DECEMBER 25. Hence, all your accusations don't hold water.
My fam and I celebrate Christmas because it's a joyous season to spend together. We remember and reflect on the fact that Jesus is our Emmanuel. We decorate, no tree, just handmade snowflakes and those shiny long swirly things. We laugh, read Scripture, sing hymns, open gifts, share a great meal and appreciate our many blessings. Merry Christmas everyone, may your day be filled with peace, fellowship and thanksgiving.
Remember that scripture says your thoughts are not his thoughts! He is a jealous God! Our forefathers erred in the wilderness by making the golden calf, and they thought that they were doing it in righteousness, but TMH struck down over 3000 of them for thinking that they were right, but they were in baal worship!
@Toadused2stink The thing about people is we are to proud to humble ourselves to our creator! We think that we know everything! Scripture tells you that we don't see the world like our God sees the world,please understand that,his thoughts are not our thoughts! People are so full of vanity! Its written in Jeremiah 10 about your dear Christmas tree.
@Toadused2stink what ever your point is,its going directly against the word of TMH to learn the vain customs of the heathen! And he gives you reasons that you shouldn't! Jesus said that its good to do good on the Sabbath, meaning if it helps you, what good is Christmas? Its a "pagan" holiday,and not of God!
@Toadused2stink how can you make something that's not of God good? So you're better than TMH? Smh!
@Toadused2stink The thing about this is, to be Christian is be a follower of the Messiah, not a follower of man! You understanding of scripture is based on modern christianity which is not at all the way it should be! For example, modern christianity accepts homosexuality and alot of pagan practices which is totally against scripture! The God that I worship is a never changing God... He's the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow! People change! God doesn't! So for you to think that you can change the nature of the Almighty God cause "you feel" that something is right or wrong is all vanity! As for me,I'm going to do what thus says TMH! And ad scripture says, we ought to obey God rather than man!
If you are willing to debate this in biblical honesty, honoring many of your viewpoints, but honing in on biblical truth, please message me. I am intrigued and curious to your rebuttal on my standpoint.
In my opinion regarding the Christmas Tree is that the triangular shaped tree serves as hierarchical symbol. Think of a triangle with a image of the highest high at the top, which is why we put angels or stars as symbols of Heaven. And with all our decorations that fit and bring us together under that hierarchy, think of clanking glasses together with friends and family. Its a symbol of bringing together under Christ.
The devil has you fooled!
@@artifacthunter1472 ok prot
@@artifacthunter1472 how does the devil have him fooled? He is using a tree to show unity in Christ. and that is the opposite of what Satan wants.
good points..... I would add that 1Cor 8 & 10 also teach us not to inquire what pagans have done with a piece of meat (or a tree or a wreath or a star or a day). Eat of that steak regardless of whether a pagan has used it in his pagan worship. The passage goes on to explain WHY it is okay. Because "the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof." As well, it is the "weak" conscience of others who cannot wrap their heads around this teaching. They are immature in their understanding so to be sensitive, we would not eat or buy that steak in their presence where they are claiming "paganism". BUT..........that is no excuse to not mature in faith. Those same "weak" people are expected to learn these scriptural truths. Remaining stunted is not part of the transformation process. God EXPECTS people who believe this stuff to be enlightened according to the Word and let go of these silly arguments that reduce Him to competing with fictitious gods.
How about we all just stay away from it just to be safe. Better safe than sorry.
good points thanks for sharing. The Children's Friend 1821???
Thanks for your work on this. It's interesting how this information upsets both neopagans and anti-holidayists. I don't personally celebrate Christmas as a religious commemoration. As a preacher, I usually preach on the Nativity in the fall or late summer. Still, just because I don't celebrate Christmas as Jesus' birthday doesn't mean I can' enjoy the season or even my own version of Christmas as a time of merriment in the cold of winter.
Shalom.
nice video, seems like we're where we started, on one hand the anti Xmas has it all linked to pagan practices mix with Christian traditions at this time, pro Xmas says their is maybe evidence that these were practiced by early Christians and not sure if they are from pagan practices are not, I guess everyone has their own choice but there can be only one truth of the topic.
True.
And alot of the times the search for truth is biased based on our cultural traditions that we don't want to let go. if we search in support, or we search in opposition to it. a good, unbiased, honest truth seeker is always going to find the answer, because the info will speak for itself. but when it comes, what will we do with it? I came to that 2 years ago as a Christmas celebrater. I really just wanted to know the truth. I will keep it if it is genuine, and forsake it if it's not. and in my search, because I want to worship God in spirit and in truth, I found Christmas to be a lie formulated by catholocism.
I grappled with that for a year and finally dug deeper and found more on it.
you are right, we all have to make a choice.
God bless
Christmas was originally against the law in America because they knew it was a pagan holiday ...Look up Puritans outlawed it in1659
Yes I commented that Xmas wasn't even being done in America rite away to inspiring philosophy I think in the last video or the one before that, I had conversations about this topic of finding the truth with this channel months ago that it is not about denomination with I am none or pro Xmas side or non Xmas side but it really bothered me about the origins of all the things of Xmas and Easter of the things that go with them because I still celebrate them as my whole life as a kid with family as well, I do agree with inspiring philosophy and have commented this on Hebrew roots videos that I don't believe that people are worshiping your Xmas tree when they get one that it's a unfair comment to say but it seem accurate that this things are not biblical to do as well though.
It just like the star of David that people have done research that it is really a sign of the star of Saturn that is mentioned in Amos and acts I think that was not something to do biblical that they were of the other nations, there is a interesting video that is a few hour long that was about the planet's and how they were in different order but the thing that always got my attention was all these ancient coins or hieroglyphs even Babylonian and Samarian engravings that just about all had a star that was looked abound, now some of these is said to perdate the bible so the question is and this video is interesting to say the least was what was all these different cultures worshiping in the sky so much??
Star of remphan? lol.
I believe it was on solomon seal. now solomon did go after other Gods. I don't see how that 6 pointed star is of God though, it is a very occult symbol.
but again, tradition. I have done so many things because of tradition that I have had to let go.
but yea that is a good point.