Thanksgiving is Not Racist
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- The real history of Thanksgiving is complex. Neither the pilgrims nor the American Indians were entirely good or evil. Thanksgiving today has become politicized, and the holiday is often claimed to have racist origins, but in reality, it represents a real feast from 1621, where imperfect people set aside their differences and shared a meal together. The history is less racist than you think.
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Sources:
Alden Vaughan - New England Frontier: Puritans and Indians, 1620-1675
David J. Silverman - This Land is Their Land
William Bradford - History of Plymouth Plantation. Vol. 1.-2.
Edward Winslow - Mourt's Relation: A Journal of the Pilgrims in Plymouth
E.B. Greene, V.D. Harrington. -. American Population Before the Federal Census of 1790
E. A. Fenn - Pox Americana
N. B. Shurtleff, D. Pulsifer - Acts of the Commissioners of the United Colonies of New England
Roger Williams - A Key Into the Languages of America
Roger Williams - The Complete Writings of Roger Williams, Vol 1
D. A. Connole -. The Indians of the Nipmuck Country in Southern New England, 1630-1750
J. Winthrop - Winthrop's Journal: "History of New England", 1630-1649
R. W. Cogley - “Some Other Kinde of Being and Condition”: The Controversy in Mid-Seventeenth-Century England over
the Peopling of Ancient America. Journal of the History of Ideas www.jstor.org/stable/30141866
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Some of you may notice I used the term "Indian" throughout this video and did not say, "Native American." The reason is that it is the prefered term and was used by the historians I relied on. See here for more: th-cam.com/video/kh88fVP2FWQ/w-d-xo.html
Weird since progressives and academia consider "Native American" as the PC term over "Indian" and they claim Native Americans prefer "Native Americans" or even "Indigenous Peoples" because "Indian" is offensive. I know this is inconsistent.
Oh wut it'/f/*king is.
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@@1685Violin emphasis on inconsistent - meaning attributing this universally, or even generally, to academia and progressives is flawed. It would be better to say, "Some People." I cannot claim that only progressives or academics hold this belief, and I doubt that there isn't a single person who is not a progressive nor academic and believes that Thanksgiving is racist. I'm sure there is someone who fits neither of the first two categories and believes Thanksgiving is racist.
@@thescapegoatmechanism8704 Funny, but a total historical fantasy.
It is both joyous and saddening to know that this is a more accurate and honest portrayal of events than what will be taught in most schools and colleges by those with degrees on the subject. I will be adding this to my list of material for my students.
Nice, thank you. Be sure to check out my sources, as I tried to rely on experts.
@@InspiringPhilosophy I appreciate the work you do in gathering and comparing sources. Teaching history does not give me as much time as I would like to study it so I always appreciate things like this. There is another TH-camr who gave a similar treatment to Christopher Columbus and it was also well done. Though my primary focus is American history I have always had a fascination with ancient history so I enjoy your videos on such topics immensely.
@@jasondecharleroy4161 Thank you so much!
@@jasondecharleroy4161 can you share the channel which covered Columbus?
@@samuelscheufler2747 It's most likely Knowing Better.
While most watchers of KB's Columbus video thought it was very good and well sourced, some BreadTube sophist by the name of Bad Empanada responded to KB's video and accused him of omitting facts and made Columbus too sympathetic even though KB tried to be balanced with nuance. He's still an evil man according to Bad Empanada and other far leftists.
KB tried to fix it by making a second Columbus video and I don't really know how he really approached that video other than saying that what Columbus did needed to be put into context and not let both extremes distort the nuance. He also said that he wants Columbus Day and his statues eliminated.
BE then responded to KB's second video and still accused him of omitting facts and made it too sympathetic to Columbus therefore KB being a centrist on that video capitulated to the right wing viewpoint of Columbus according to Bad Empanada
Best give that new editor a raise. This looks fantastic
I would love to, but I need more financial backers! www.patreon.com/inspiringphilosophy
I’m excited to see this and I’m glad you are doing a thanksgiving episode and not skipping straight to Christmas like companies are doing
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IP, you should do content like this every now and then. This was really well done!
I might branch out and do more history. We will see.
@@InspiringPhilosophy possibly a history of each holiday? Did one on valentines for a local mgazine i worked at. Amazing how digging into books and early online sites gave an interesting and varied article .
As a person from a different country residing in the US, this bit of American history was very useful. Short and informative.
Glad it was helpful
As a guy who loves apologetics and history, this is the perfect mashup
You love two mutually exclusive positions?
Lol
Oooooh...so that's what's wrong with this video...it's not a historical take. It's an apologetic take on history. And apologetics is where facts and logic go to die.
Once Atun Shei films makes a Christian apologist video, the symbiosis will be complete!
Elijah, Could you point where it went wrong with references?
Great work as usual! I’m glad you have acknowledged the American mythology from both sides of this history. The Puritans and their relationship with the Native Americans gets so often conflated with the acts of Spanish Conquistadors and the French missionary-types. Good to see a clarification.
Thank you!
I am speculating, but i think it stems from ignorance of the difference between independent colonies and government sponsored ones.
I do not know exactly what you mean by that but the Anglo colonisers would eventually try to erradicate deliberately all Native American Indians, which is the right definition of genocide. It was deliberate and carefully planned by the incipient United States government under the name "Manifest Destiny".
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You are speaking about a very large span of time. The original Thanksgiving tradition dates to around the early 1600s and the idea of Manifest Destiny played out through Westward Expansion into the early 1900s. No one doubts things like the Trail of Tears and white assimilation occurred and were awful, but you cant lump that in with early colonizers.
As early as the 1500s, Meso-Americans were dying from diseases brought by Spanish explorers. Because they’re European, are they lumped in with Puritans too?
@@queagle1343 you're completely right in your analysis. I was just afraid you were morally condeming one form of imperialism but not the other. Greetings from Spain.
Finally someone who talks about this and isn’t biased.
Thank you, I tried my best to be fair.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Dude...do you see the problem with so many people seeing this as an "accurate" portrayal of history? Are you going to edit and reupload...with historical evidence? So, you know...this is *actually* historically accurate? 😔
@@elijahcumpton9926 well I'm sorry he didn't hate on the pilgrms and tried to be nuanced
@@keodiozubu8670 This isn't what nuance looks like...for example, breaking everything down into a strict dichotomy where everyone either hates the Puritans or loves them...?
That's some unsupportable, non-historical, and ultimately manipulative framing right there. And that's the opposite of "nuance". You know, when you remove the complexities of the known data to the point of gross over simplication, mischaracterize and misuse terms of art to better suit an argument, and start with a baseless premise upon which the entirety of your argument will hinge? That's just apologetics. Killing nuance is kinda the point.
@@elijahcumpton9926 huh? If you are talking about how the video described both sides of the argument it was just a general point. Even then most people who even talk about the subject tend to either be for the puritans or against them.
Also how is anything in his video simplified except for that general point the video. He quotes many authors and tries to point that both sides have blood on their hands. He isnt saying with his video that one side is good and one side is bad....
He said it's complicated which it is. The only one who seems to be misrepresenting anything is you....
This is the most thoroughly researched finding I’ve ever heard on Thanksgiving. Great job
Thanks, it definitely did involve a lot of reading.
This video was probably more informative than anything I had ever learned in school.
I cant wait to share this with the whole fam on thanksgiving 🦃 🕺
Do it!
I wouldn’t be upset at all if you put out more historical/educational videos like these tangent to your apologetic work. This was really good!
If done correctly this would actually make a really interesting TV series or set of movies. We need more stories told of American history on the big screen.
I agree
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Very excited for this video. Found your channel some time ago and though I don’t agree with you on every matter, you are surely delivering a great message. May God bless your ministry through this channel.
Thank you
Dude! I know shooting this as a tv show or a movie would be expensive but audio drama is making a big comeback! I’m just getting into making them myself. I would love to do an audio series on this!
Go for it!
@@InspiringPhilosophy Awesome! I’m working on an investigative drama about the book of Luke currently but I’d love your input on the Thanksgiving project in the future.
@@TrevorAndersen sure, just email me through my website: inspiringphilosophy.org
I learned more from a few minutes of this video than in the 18+ years of schooling.
Fantastic! the painstaking animation and artistic choices, narration, research-everything.
Well done as always, IP! You come through w "the heavy lifting", thank you.
Seems the Plymouth colonists really knew their Old Testament, w their insistence on land purchase & other policies.
Personally, I would like to see more Native Americans in positions of authority in the States. For example, managing resources, fire control & suppression. We are still ethnocentric to a degree. The colonists in Plymouth may have gotten a lot "right", but they still ran the show. Just a thought.
Happy Thanksgiving to all, if you don't have one, start one! With that, gonna go invite my brother on the other end of political spectrum to dinner!😄
Good, and thank you!
I've never seen a fish this happy while being speared. 10:01
Well done, Mike. I appreciated the well timed sound effects within the narration, not to mention the painstaking research and well reasoned conclusions drawn. You are a master at your craft.
Thanks, but this was done by an editor who volunteered to help me out
Thanks for digging deep into the history of this holiday IP. God bless brother!
Love that you put references in the description.
Hey! Love your videos, informative as always!
Thank you!
Nice change of pace. Never dove deep into a lot of history but this sounds much more believable
thank you
Wow, this is so refreshing to see! Facebook os loaded with false information on this topic and I’m glad to see a proper breakdown on this! Much appreciated!
This was incredibly well made
Thank my editor. I didn't make it.
@@InspiringPhilosophy are you planning to do a video on messianic prophecies in the Old Testament anytime soon?
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Thank you for making this video, I have been waiting to see it!
Excellent, as always! Thank you for this timely message!
I am thankful for this . Happy Thanksgiving.
Thanks brother. Have a happy Thanksgiving.
Happy Thanksgiving
As an Indian (and Irishman) l can confirm that not only is the noble-savage myth racist as hell but this notion of "stolen land" is a myth and in of itself. Many different nations and cultures scattered across the wilderness, fighting each other and taking each other's land (that was taken from other clans previously and so on) for thousands of years before the white man even showed up. Even afterwards there were still tribes that hated each other worse than the white man and many were just as brutal as any other societies of pre-modern times. Patriarchy, slavery, conquest, you name it. The only advantage that the Spanish, British, French, etc. had were guns and technology.
That is true. The biggest issue was disease being brought over from Europe which limited the amount of American Indians greatly. Many of the tribes also fought for years after Europeans arrived. For example, Metacom made have had a chance if the Mohawks didn't ambush him and massacre his men. He probably would have won if he had a united Indian coalition, but so many Indians took the side of the English.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Ah yes, the French and Indian War (which led to World War Zero), there were real issues there. Ironically the French were the lesser of two evils, the British screwed them over, like they did everybody else
@@paradisecityX0 Yes, and then the British were the lesser for two evils in the American revolution (at least for the Indians). Americans wanted to move west and the British tried to stop it as that land belongs to the native population. After the American revolution settlers started moving out west, which again, hurt the native tribes. Although, even with that, some tribes still aided the Americans in the revolution and fought against the British. History is rarely black and white and instead is always pretty gray.
@@InspiringPhilosophy And various Indian tribes joined both sides in the Civil War; fighting for the Union and the Confederates.
The literal black & white view of history is what CRT apologists certainly want us to accept. Divide and conquer
@@paradisecityX0 CRT is evil!
Great video! Fantastic editing
Thank you for reminding us that history isn't simple
It never is
One of the Greatest videos on the History of Thanksgiving 🦃 🙏
Thank you, my goal was to be as fair as possible to all historical parties involved.
U r not biased that's why i can always trust u and ur research.
Thank you, I try my best
@@InspiringPhilosophy keep it up. We all want a share of ur knowledge.
"let's begin at the beginning"
truly profound
God bless you man. love your channel
Your research, information, and presentation is all fantastic! Thank you so much and God bless you!
I wish I could DM you man. You have helped me so much in my journey of faith. I had so much confusion until this channel stumbled into my life on accident. My life has been such a jumble of disaster and chaos the past 7 years and I just wanted you to know (if you get a chance to read this) that you have impacted my life in so many different ways and I can’t thank you enough.
The animations on this are amazing! Did you do this?
Well done as always IP. I love history
You are really a blessing for many 🙏🏻.
I love the new graphics.
Thank you, an editor who volunteered to help me out basically did them all. I barely helped.
Please do not be offended by this comment IP. I really liked this video. I just wanted to give you some advice. When it comes to things that start to tie into politics, many people who are opinionated on these subjects tend to become very polarized and often become "turned off" to any other content offered on a channel. So just choose your words carefully, and do research thoroughly. Speak only what is true and more importantly what God leads you to say on any subject, political, historical, cultural, or theological. As always, I love your videos. And I really enjoyed this video. Keep up the good work.
Fantastic ending. Thank you for this!
Glad you waited for it
Very nuanced, great video.
Much informative.
So, i noticed that the main references for this video are pilgrim or English based. This makes a lot of sense, as the prevalence of a written history is not typical of native Americans of the region, but I wonder if there’s more to this. Before I continue, I will say that I appreciated how you never attributed specific rationals to their actions, as this leaves it open to further research and understanding.
I recently watched a Wampanoag tribesman talk about their history of Thanksgiving and how the romanticism of the holiday started with the very first use of the word in pilgrim texts. They’re history says there was no invitation to a shared meal. Their claim is that the Wampanoag had arrived, armed, to their allies aid due to hearing musket-fire. To the Wampanoag the meal wasn’t actually a meal in their histories. And they tend to view the depiction of Thanksgiving in a light of mourning, not gratefulness. I would be curious to see a discussion or more research into the Wampanoag histories.
I noticed this too! Although I enjoyed this video and thought it was a holistic view overall, and I understand 100% why that’s where our sources come from, it’s also hard to say that their version of history is not biased. It wouldn’t make any sense for English pilgrims to talk and document on ALL atrocities that might have been committed
@@Karladosed a lot of atrocities happened but the video was to express that it’s not black and white. As the meal didn’t happened immediately and a relationship had to be established. We definitely have created a romanticized polarized version of what happened
excellent work
I am not a fact checker or expert or anything on this matter but I have just a few concerns with the video.
One, at one point you showed a Native American chief in what appeared to be a headdress, which I associate with tribes that were much further west. So I worry about whether the clothing art in the video is actually reflective of the specific tribes these people came from. It can be an important thing to get right if you want people to listen to you.
Two, several times you cited European accounts of specific incidents. I'm not going to say they were wrong per se but it's just so easy to get complacent when you hear one side of a story without hearing the other. Native American tribes of the time had no (or just a few? again, not an expert) written records and even well meaning English writers will have a bias towards themselves. The scope of what you can cover is just a youtube video is limited but it would be nice for you to at least mention that problem. Still, it was helpful for you to say "according to the Puritans" and such as it at least helps to mark places where you are most relying on their testimony.
I do agree with the general point that history is complicated, but we are indeed lucky that Thanksgiving is about giving thanks. The origins may be imperfect, and we want to make our account of that time accurate, but it would be such a shame to "cancel" the whole thing just for that. The way we celebrate it now is just as important if not moreso, just like our relationships with the modern tribes that survived.
Thank you for your concerns. When we researched Wampanoags we found depictions that had some similar style of headdress:
plimoth.org/for-students/homework-help/who-are-the-wampanoag
mashpeewampanoagtribe-nsn.gov/culture
www.pinterest.com/pin/458241330807582755/
If that is inaccurate, I apologize.
Yes, we only have records from the puritans, so I tried to note that this comes from their testimony, but I also thought they had no reason to make things up, but I do agree they were biased. Unfortunately, history often comes from biased sources. I cited the historians I relied on throughout if that helps.
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@@webslinger527 My next video is on virtue ethics.
@@InspiringPhilosophy ok thanks
Very interesting! Thanks!
I love this innocent picture of war
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Thanks for posting this btw keep this record straight is important
Happy Thanksgiving!
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Wow, even inspiring philosophy is now engaging in more political topics. Not saying anything is wrong with that, it just surprised me a little.
I am more interested in the history than anything else. I agree the Puritans were ethnocentric and imperfect, but we also cannot ignore many good aspects they had.
@@InspiringPhilosophy You're right about that. We as people sometimes get caught up in trying to assign the title of good guy or bad guy all for the sake of retribution. It just causes unnecessary division and distorts history
Could you do a video on a supposed contradiction with Paul: Did he go to Arabia first or Damascus?
This!!
You earned a sub from me with this one.
I don’t personal use Indian as a term. I’m fine with American Indian or Native American, it really doesn’t matter which is used.
I don’t use Indian alone to keep straight what I am talking about, since I’m a Buddhist it’s important to make a clear distinction.
This should be required material for schools instead of telling them they could be washing machines if they feel like it
Bro, a little change of routine for you, but YES , THANK YOU!
I recently have read Mayflower by Nathaniel Philbrick which concurs with your video. It is also a good read.
I want to know your recommended reading lists for biblical history and theology
Interesting.Could you do videos concerning church history?
I will in the future.
I would love it if you talked about the Colony of Maryland, founded by the 2nd Lord-Baron of Baltimore Cecil Calvert; and how it was the first attempt at religious toleration in the New World, at a time when Protestants and Catholics were butchering each other in droves in Europe.
Great video as always.
I would need to research that more, thank you
@@InspiringPhilosophy My thanks, I wish you luck; it's fascinating honestly.
The Calverts were for all intents and purposes the feudal Kings of Maryland, and they were a Catholic minority ruling over a Protestant majority. Just a little tidbit to get you going.
Nicely done! :-)
As someone who works with Native American groups regularly, I can kinda get some of your points. However, when people accuse Thanksgiving of racist overtones, what they more often mean is people try to take the tone of the 1st Thanksgiving (where Pilgrims and Indigenous people ate together) and try to use that 1 meal to broad stroke paint that across the United States' entire relationship with Natives, which has been primarily antagonistic and based in genocide. Basically, using a nice moment to gaslight away the horrific moments. I think people would have less problem with the holiday if it could be (accurately) treated in the context that it was 1 nice moment, but not indicative of the US' general relationship to Native groups and shouldn't be used as a shield to deflect conversation (and action) on repairing the damage that has been done.
If people want to look more into some of the things that have happened over the past and present, I'd recommend 2 things. One is to look into the Boarding Schools (concentration camps in all but name) across the US and Canada where Native kids were taken away from their tribes and put into these 'schools' who's mission was to, "Kill the savage to save the man," i.e. brutally torture these kids to give up their religion, culture and language. There is still survivors alive today, and investigations have FINALLY started (especially in Canada) where we're uncovering thousands of bodies of kids who died in these places.
The second is the acronym MMIW, which is short for 'Missing or Murdered Indigenous Women'. Native American women are at higher risk than most populations, and a key reason is Native American reservations are only kinda/sorta treated like a sovereign nation. This means that people who want to harm women in general, but don't live on the reservation, can cross into reservation land, harm an Indigenous woman and the result is a jurisdiction nightmare where the Tribal and State police have to jump through a billion hoops together to figure out who can do what, all the while the predator gets away and evidence deteriorates. People have been pushing the US government for years to update how this all works so predators don't have that loophole anymore. Whenever you see a Native American woman wearing a red skirt, or any Native American with a red hand print painted on their face or body, those are symbols to show support for MMIW (because, in some tribes' cultures, there is a belief that the only color spirits can see is red, and by promoting red you're helping the harmed women find their way home).
Do you really work with these people? Because from what I understand, "Native American" is rarely used in reservations. In fact, the further away someone lives from them, the more people start referring to the natives as "Native Americans" instead of "Indians".
@@Astropeleki Yes, I do, primarily in Browning, Montana (Blackfeet Res) and Pryor, Montana (Crow Agency Res).
Native American is a general/generic term that they don't find offensive, but also don't use as much as Indigenous, Native, Indian or the internet short slang NDN (pronounced as Indian).
You can use Native American on the Res, and no one will be offended, so I don't mind using the term per se. It's just they also like you to occasionally use Indigenous to remember they were here before America was even a thing.
Indian does get used on the Res since so much of society has used it for so long, but for me personally is less used because I have both Indigenous friends and friends from India, and it's just easier to keep them separate in my head, so I primarily use Native American and Indigenous.
Also, to add to my comment about Native American being a generic term: it's a catch all (much like Indigenous) and, if you're close to a res, you're also more likely to use the actual Native names for the various groups (whether they're used in the Native tongue or English), such as the Crow aka Apsaalooke or Blackfeet aka Piikani.
Either way though, it's not offensive and all Native people want the rest of us to get out of that is 1: they were here long before America and 2: Native American isn't 1 culture, but a catch all phrase used to describe 574 Federally Recognized tribes as well as 'culturally recognized but not federally' groups like the Metis.
Thank you for enlightening us. This is very important to know.
@@gigahorse1475 no problem! A good resource can also be looking for different Natives in media, one of my favs is Christian Parrish aka Supaman. He's a rapper (and MTV Video Music Award winner) who raps in both English and Apsaalooke (Up-Saw-Loo-Geh, the language of the Crow People), performs in his Regalia (Powwow attire) and educates people on Native cultures. Awesome, awesome dude!
Hey uhhh, can you make a video about the intercession saints please if its right or wrong?
I don’t really like to get involved in too many denominational disputes.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Okay
Great Job.
Question: why did the puritans believe the Indians were Hebrew?
There was a lot of mythology about the missing ten tribes of Israel at the time. Some believed they actually went to the Americas. This was later picked up by the Mormons.
Good one IP
Roger Williams actually opposed converting the Natives, especially by force.
If I recall from what I read, sort of. He was a Christian and welcomed converts, but he definitely didn't want people converted by force. As with most things, the truth is more complicated.
Fun fact, Squanto became a Catholic (or at least a Christian). He was abducted by Englishmen and taken to Europe to be sold into slavery, but he was bought instead by Spanish friars who baptized and educated him.
Great video
10/10 Explanation!!
I think you're forgetting something important, but please correct me if I'm wrong. The First Thanksgiving feast was actually a meeting to discuss trade, and at first, they had a deal, and there was peace. But one day, a baby Native American boys was found stabbed dead by a dock in Boston, so without any evidence, the settlers slaughtered the Natives and the Massachusetts governor at the time (forgot his name) declared that day to be The First Thanksgiving, thanking God for the massacre. Granted this declaration was probably before Lincoln official declaration of Thanksgiving nationally, but still.
Nothing like that came up in my sources. I don't recall David J. Silverman mentioning that and he would be the most likely one to. From what I found, the puritans punished the English for atrocities like that. At one point Alden Vaughan in his book mentions how three Englishman were sentenced to death for killing an American Indian. The meeting regarding trade actually happened in March of 1621 and a treaty was agreed to where both sides would come to the other's aid if called upon. The Pilgrims seem to have done well at honoring this.
I Really liked the Video I''m wondering can you do some more US History and maybe some church history?
Perhaps in the future, yes.
Are you still gonna do exodus rediscovered?
yes, in march.
Hey IP, long time fan. Can you discuss dinosaurs, and why they aren't mentioned in the Bible? I find the account of behemoth and leviathan being dinosaurs to not really sate my honesty to myself. Why would God create creatures before Eden that aren't mentioned in Genesis? If that isn't the case, then why aren't they mentioned more often, or at all? And if they were alive with humans, how did humans live with them, and why aren't there more historical records and scientific evidence for them living together? I know this is a lot, but I need to see these things answered if they can be.
What documentation is there that the Puritans believed the Indians were the lost tribes of Israel?
Sources were in the video
@@InspiringPhilosophy I am sorry. Just noticed that. Thank you! If the Pilgrims believed the Indians were white, and the lost tribes of Israel, does that mean they believed the Israelites were of the same race as them as well?
Ooh, American history. Very interesting. Thanks!!
Thanks!
It seems a lot of the pop history misunderstanding comes from referring to the various tribes with their inter-political conflicts as the monolithic, generic “Indians.”
There were a lot of tribal conflicts. I didn’t even have time to get into how loyal the Mohegans were to the English, or how Metacom’s real downfall was because he sought an alliance with the Mohawks and they, instead, slaughtered Metacom’s forces.
You should do a podcast.
I wanna see how this is spins out
Well done Mr. Jones
Thank you
This was Inspiring Philosophy for PragerU.
The American Story the beginnings from wall builders is another good source for Thanksgiving and early American history.
Nice IP do more vids like this like on American slavery etc
Also, it should be mentioned that the colonists of Virginia were about as ethical as the puritans. Actually, they were less brutal than the puritans could be, since they still allowed for the tribes to exist even after the wars they fought with them and allowed for the confederacy to maintain power throughout the 17th century.
The problem was that the Powhatan Confederacy - the twenty native tribes of Tidewater Virginia, which included the Chickahominy, Pamunkey, Mattaponi, and so on - were an aggressive native population. In fact, the reason why the English colonists had to turn to violence was due to the Powhatan Confederacy attacking them _before_ they fully established contact with them. In fact, the Virginia company of London explicitly told the colonists to not build a fort at their chosen settlement site, but they had to break that agreement within a few week of landing at Jamestown due to the persistent attacks by the Powhatan Confederacy.
By contrast, the pilgrims ended up in a much better situation, since the native tribes that were around them had largely died off and the only few natives around there had been, to some extent, taught the English language. They had a much easier time with negotiating with the natives than the English at Jamestown.
I never understood why people call Thanksgiving racist and genocidal. It may have originated in some form with the Pilgrims (though there were plenty of Thanksgiving celebrations in the colonies before them), but it was never a day to celebrate them. Rather, it was a day for US to show our thanks and gratitude for the good things that WE have. So even if everything the woke left says about the Pilgrims was true, it's still irrelevant to Thanksgiving.
Good point. I don't see why we can't acknowledge the Pilgrims were imperfect and note the holiday is not racist. It is about imperfect people setting aside their differences and coming together to give thanks.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Exactly. And isn't that also, in a sense, what America is all about?
@@hotwax9376 II think so, at least.
@@hotwax9376 Very few even thought it was racist in the mainstream until just 7 years ago when the progressive mainstream media amplified it a thousand times. No one back in my elementary school years throughout the 2000s thought it was racist. It was considered an interesting historical event and I didn't know the hardships both sides had until I learned on my own in high school.
@@1685Violin Well, back then nobody thought that math, the national anthem and Dr. Seuss books were racist, that Asians are "white," that a person's biological sex is based on their gender identity, that Pepe Le Pew and "Baby It's Cold Outside" promoted rape, that 2+2 could equal something other than 4, that Abraham Lincoln was a slaveowner, that the American Revolution was fought to protect slavery, or that racial segregation would be resurrected in the name of "fighting" racism, but here we are.
Hey I noticed you killed two birds with one stone. You covered how Thanksgiving is not racist and it’s not pagan in origin. Great work with bringing up actual history with first hand sources.
I guess you’re right
And he killed a third by debunking the first grade myth that the pilgrims where 100% good and “civilized” the natives
@@joshuadunford3171 but they weren’t bad either. He was truthful in his approach.
@@InspiringPhilosophy No...he isn't right...dude, how much time did you spend reading about the history of Thanksgiving, again? Coming back to the comments on this video is stomach churning.
You have a voice. People trust you. And this video isn't up to your usual standards. It's not your field, and your research is grossly inadequate considering the strength with which you make your claims.
This is just sad. But I guess that's what I get for giving a Southern Baptist a chance...disappointment via an astonishing disregard for academic standards used to rationalize some bullsh*t.
@@elijahcumpton9926 What claim did he make in the video that was false? If you're going to complain he did sloppy research and is wrong, give examples and cite sources, don't just say, "you're wrong" and act like that's a refutation. So really, what claim in this video is incorrect?
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🦃 *Thanksgiving's history is complex, beyond extreme views. Pilgrims, though imperfect, were more humane than other colonists. Native-English relations had nuances.*
01:19 🏞️ *Plymouth, 1620: Pilgrims, fleeing persecution, landed in an area already hit by plague, encountering few Indians initially. Relations were wary due to past clashes.*
02:44 🛑 *Myths dispelled: Pilgrims didn't seize much land, as it was mostly deserted due to disease. Smallpox further reduced the Native population. Trade agreements were common.*
04:19 🌐 *Relations & Alliances: Pilgrims formed alliances with Native tribes, like the Wampanoags. Trade, diplomacy, and mutual aid prevailed, leading to the first Thanksgiving in 1621.*
06:13 🦃 *Thanksgiving in History: The 1621 feast wasn't an annual tradition. Days of Thanksgiving existed, but it wasn't until 1863 that it became a national holiday, promoting unity.*
08:47 🔄 *Population Dynamics: By 1637, English outnumbered Indians. Diseases devastated the Native population. The myth of land theft is debunked; many land deeds protected Native rights.*
11:02 🤝 *Fair Treatment: Puritans aimed to establish a Christian society but not by conquering. Ethnocentrism, not racism, drove them. Legal fairness, respect, and attempts at integration were observed.*
14:40 ⚔️ *Pequot War Clarification: The Pequot War wasn't genocide; it involved complex tribal dynamics. Tribes sided based on alliances. It was a conflict over treaty violations and trade disputes.*
18:22 🔀 *King Philip's War Complexity: Metacom's war had intricate causes. Puritans' control, land issues, and cultural clashes contributed. The war wasn't racially divided; tribes had varied allegiances.*
20:42 🦃 *Thanksgiving Symbolism: Thanksgiving isn't a racist celebration. It symbolizes imperfect people setting aside differences to share a meal and give thanks, akin to the 1621 harvest gathering.*
I’m confused by the sin of ethnocentrism that you point out. Are different cultures not better than others at certain things? Are people supposed to believe that every culture is equal? It just seems rather strange to suggest that to me.
Ethnocentrism is the assumption that things are good just because your own culture does them that way. For example, it's not ethnocentric to say that free speech is a right whether or not a given society respects that right or to advocate for greater freedom for those people. That has a moral basis. It is ethnocentric to assume that it is better to give a handshake than to bow as a gesture of respect when meeting someone, or to assume that English is a better language than Mandarin (or vice versa).
Metacom... What a cool name dude....
Agreed
Squanto is like a fuckin soap opera character damn. Kid gets kidnapped like three times, tries to overthrow a tried, joins the outsiders.
We need a show about Squanto!
Maybe but I don’t want Hollywood to butcher him
Good to see that IP is being honest in this presentation. However, there are problems with some of his statements. First, the Spanish weren’t “worse” than the puritans. In fact, they made laws to defend the natives after much fighting from Spanish missionaries who denounced the encomienda system. Second, Cortez and others saw the natives as rational beings capable of being Christians and loyal to Spain. And a lot of these so called atrocities are exaggerated by the black legend. Also, ethnocentrism is really a good cause for racism as you see your culture as superior. I don’t think this needs much explaining
Notice how he hasn't commented on your statement? A bit funny if you ask me.
The part about race is particularly true considering the fact that the entire concept of "race" hadn't actually developed at that point...and if someone is going to talk about "racism" in history, you'd think that the history of racism would be relevant...right?
Noting the Spanish did some good things doesn't really change my point. I never said they were pure evil, but the historical record suggests the first generation of Puritans did a little better. But even in that, I noted some of the bad the puritans engaged in.
Also, ethnocentricism is different than racism, one focuses on a culture (which can include multiple racial backgrounds) and the other is about skin color. They are similar but different in ways. The Puritans thought their culture was superior, not that their skin color made them superior.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Right, and that's the issue - the concept of "race" as a description of skin color didn't exist at the time, so it's anachronistic to apply that worldview to the Puritans' beliefs, right? But they *did* assert their inherent superiority, and not just in terms of religious belief, but in terms of lifestyle and culture. So...not saying you're wrong, it's just a problematic approach from a historical perspective. 🤷♂️
@@elijahcumpton9926 race in Europe was indeed developed only that the whole Anglo superiority over the world wasn’t a thing until a little later. Northern Europeans did have a superiority complex over others especially in terms of religion
In short, history is complicated, yo.
Exactly
Viewing history through a simple and narrow lens with a modern perspective is deceptive at best.
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The Musket was not considered a powerful weapon at that time. it wasnt the same as the musket in the american revolution. it didnt shoot as far, load as fast, be as reliable. in fact the bow and arrow was faster and more reliable at the time. The cannon however made the english a powerful ally.
AKSHUALLY,.... um...
The truth, as always, is more complex and yet more beautiful than myths.