Man do I ever wish I seen this video a month ago . I started cutting the wheel well out of my vw rabbit pickup and I’m still trying to figure it out. You made it make sense. Thank you sir
Great work, wish I had the tools available to do this myself. Although I’m sure it wouldn’t look as great as yours it would look better than it does with the rust
Yea, I was just going to tell him the same thing. Johnathan is right. Butt welding the entire patch panel and then grinding down the welds harms the structural integrity of the repair. It's going to be infinitely more durable if you: -Lap weld it - Grind the welds down a bit - Then hammer the welds down - After denting the welds, put filler over the welds so that way it will come out leveled with the rest of the panel when you prime and paint it
@@Johnnymidnight Any vids you can make on rust repair are helpful. I am also in the rust belt and do the work myself but like to see tricks other people use! Thanks again
Thank you! One of the best videos out there... Would have loved to seen you do the inner fender repair as I ahve to do mine as well. getting ready to do this exact job on both sides of my silverado. Thank you again for the information as very helpful! NEW SUB right here 🙂
I use aerosol undercoat where I can reach, and then I have an old undercoating gun that I fill with used motor oil and soak the inside of the panels so that it gets right into the pinch welds, and anywhere that I can’t reach with the undercoating
I always brush coat the inside with rust paint, like POR15 or similar, and also spray the inside of the panel with oil at the end so it seeps into the pinchwelds, and inner panels
Newbie Question. What was it you welded inside the panel. I assume in the inner wheel well area there was rust to. Did you use scrap metal for that or is there a specific replacement part to order? I am ordering a replacement bed arch for my 2012 silverado, and expect the inner wheel well will have some rust, and I should be replacing that inside lip also. Also, I see alot videos where the inner foam/stuffing is removed. Is it replaced with anything? I assume not because it was the main cause of the rust to begin with. Thank you for any response!
On this one the inner wheel house was rusted through unexpectedly, and I just patched it up with some sheet metal. Most often I replace the wheelhouses as well . I have another video, how to replace GM truck bedsides and wheelhouses, although the earlier body style, that will show you what’s involved 👍🏼👍🏼. The foam doesn’t need to be replaced with anything.
does the foam crap comes out easy with pressure washer? I have a 13 years old truck, no signs of rust on the box, but concerned about it. what would be the other best way to remove the foam.
Fenders rust out and the rocker panels under the cab rust out. I’ve washed mine out behind there at every wash job with a power washer and it still rusted out. Cheap Chinese sourced sheet metal is my theory.
Any tips for someone that’s never done something like this before? I’m not expecting something perfect for my first time but would like to get the rust gone.
Overlap the new panels 1/2” or so , I wouldn’t try butt matching if just starting out. Also check out my video on gluing panels with structural adhesive, maybe that would be helpful as well 👍🏼
John, how much time does it take you to do the wheel arches per side? I need to do mine on my 2012 F150. Need to do the cab corners and rockers as well but I am going to start with the wheel arches. If that goes well I'll then tackle the rockers. Have to finish restoring my old studebaker first so I have some room in garage.
Thanks John, Based on that I think I'll tackle one side per weekend. Looking forward to the next video today! Also I am enjoying watching you do the metal work on the delivery sedan.
Hey man I read a comment your in Quesnel BC. I was born and raised there and all my family still live there. Unbelievable. I'm an autobody technician aswell and I'll be tackling the same job on my Silverado. Unbelievably small world. I wanted to ask you what you used to treat the inside of the repair with? I figured I might be able to remove the light and spray cavity wax
I always try to brush paint the backside with POR15 or similar, as well as coating the inside with oil (I use an old undercoating gun) so it seeps into the pinchweld as well
Great video! I’ve always wanted to see auto sheet metal being butt welded, but I wanted to ask: how do you attach the fender liner to the patch panel? Is there a way to keep it from happening again, would drains in the inner panel help or hurt?
The wheelhouses weld around the lip of the panels, I always treat the inside of the panels with oil, to coat the exposed welds, and always recommend to pull the taillights once a year and pressure wash all the accumulated dirt from inside the panels 👍🏼
They really do, and all the manufacturers seem to be the same. I believe they’re engineered to rust out in about 8-10 years to keep people buying new trucks.
never understood doing all that work for a dam patch why not put a new bedsides on all that welding you d does nothing but burn off the e coat on the back side put on a new bedside then you know what you have
Usually comes down to budget , I do full bedsides all the time too, and it’s about the same labor wise, but roughly double the cost. (Depending on the truck, 800-2200 per bedside vs 200-400 per patch panel, that’s just parts)I always coat the inside of the panel to seal up all of the exposed welds.
@@Johnnymidnight i have had body shop for 52 years yea i know customers dont want to spend the extra money but i do not do any patch work anymore i try to tell them it could start rusting outside of the repair area in a few months and it will but they keep going back to the cost difference i say new bedsides or go somewhere else lost of couple of friends because a couple years later it started rusting 8 to 10 inches past the patch to me it is not worth it
I always give customers the option, if they’re just wanting another 5-6 years out of an old truck, patch panels are ok, but I always say if they’re keeping it forever to do full bedsides. The Dodge stuff is rarely worth patching though, because they rust through in several spots…..
@@Johnnymidnight this shit that we do is hard work how about the cost of materials its crazy i remember back when i started i had a pretty big shop had seven full time body men during the day and two full time painters that worked all night we were open 24 hour a day i remember buying body filler buy the case it was 24 dollars a case
Man do I ever wish I seen this video a month ago . I started cutting the wheel well out of my vw rabbit pickup and I’m still trying to figure it out. You made it make sense. Thank you sir
Man, I wish I was closer to you. You do really nice work
Great job. I do 2 or 3 of these a year and you make it look easy.
The magic of editing 😁😁
Great video and well presented.
looks amazing need that done on my 09
Great work, wish I had the tools available to do this myself. Although I’m sure it wouldn’t look as great as yours it would look better than it does with the rust
Great job!!
Gorgeous! Nice work.
Thank you very much!
Thanks very inspirational
Great work.
Thanks I’ll try that. I keep burning through the old sheet metal on my tacks. Appreciate the help
Turn the heat down. Can always try to find good settings on the new panel and some scrap cut from the body
Nice work 👍🏻
great video , now i can tackle this job on my 2000 sierra
Lap weld it and tap the seam down for a stronger longer lasting repair
Yea, I was just going to tell him the same thing. Johnathan is right. Butt welding the entire patch panel and then grinding down the welds harms the structural integrity of the repair.
It's going to be infinitely more durable if you:
-Lap weld it
- Grind the welds down a bit
- Then hammer the welds down
- After denting the welds, put filler over the welds so that way it will come out leveled with the rest of the panel when you prime and paint it
Nice job man thanks
Thanks, hope it helps👍🏼
Now the bed looks better then the rest of the truck 😂. Nice work
Nice thing about shiny new black, after you wash it a few times it all looks crappy 😂
Great work
Nice vid, thanks for it.
Glad it was helpful 👍🏼
@@Johnnymidnight Any vids you can make on rust repair are helpful. I am also in the rust belt and do the work myself but like to see tricks other people use! Thanks again
Thank you! One of the best videos out there... Would have loved to seen you do the inner fender repair as I ahve to do mine as well. getting ready to do this exact job on both sides of my silverado. Thank you again for the information as very helpful! NEW SUB right here 🙂
Awesome, thank you! Glad you found the video helpful 👊🏼
Amazing
What would it cost to do rockers, cab corners and a rear arch?
Thank you for the video. Helped me out tremendously.
What would you do if you had to cut/weld closer to the gas tank lid?
I would usually just take extra precautions, lots of tape & cardboard, or welding blankets if there are concerns with fuel vapours
Ok thank you.
What did you treat the back of the panel with?
I use aerosol undercoat where I can reach, and then I have an old undercoating gun that I fill with used motor oil and soak the inside of the panels so that it gets right into the pinch welds, and anywhere that I can’t reach with the undercoating
Great video's. We both have the same Miller welder. Can I ask what setup do you find optimal for wire size, speed and heat? Thanks !
I use .023 wire, and usually have it set about 7 on both speed and voltage for sheet metal
good job what do u use for sealing the back of the panel
I always brush coat the inside with rust paint, like POR15 or similar, and also spray the inside of the panel with oil at the end so it seeps into the pinchwelds, and inner panels
If you cut through both at the same time, would you now have a 1/16 gap?
Yes, it’s ok to have the slight gap to fill with the wire feed
What were your welder settings and what type/size wire did you use?
I set my 110 miller about 60 on heat and wire speed for sheet metal, wire is .023
Awesome! Where are you located? How much would you charge typically for both sides?
In Quesnel BC, these are usually 12-1500 per side, depending on if the inner wheel houses require replacement
Newbie Question. What was it you welded inside the panel. I assume in the inner wheel well area there was rust to. Did you use scrap metal for that or is there a specific replacement part to order? I am ordering a replacement bed arch for my 2012 silverado, and expect the inner wheel well will have some rust, and I should be replacing that inside lip also. Also, I see alot videos where the inner foam/stuffing is removed. Is it replaced with anything? I assume not because it was the main cause of the rust to begin with. Thank you for any response!
On this one the inner wheel house was rusted through unexpectedly, and I just patched it up with some sheet metal. Most often I replace the wheelhouses as well . I have another video, how to replace GM truck bedsides and wheelhouses, although the earlier body style, that will show you what’s involved 👍🏼👍🏼. The foam doesn’t need to be replaced with anything.
Thank you for the response!@@Johnnymidnight
does the foam crap comes out easy with pressure washer? I have a 13 years old truck, no signs of rust on the box, but concerned about it. what would be the other best way to remove the foam.
I don’t think you’ll be able to get the foam out, best thing in my opinion would be to get it clean, and once it’s dry soak it down with oil
@@Johnnymidnight thanks for the reply, looks like I'm gonna have to bring out the leaf blower 🤣 before drowning it with fluid film.
Fenders rust out and the rocker panels under the cab rust out. I’ve washed mine out behind there at every wash job with a power washer and it still rusted out. Cheap Chinese sourced sheet metal is my theory.
They’re all engineered to fail at around 10 years old, otherwise they wouldn’t sell new trucks
Any tips for someone that’s never done something like this before? I’m not expecting something perfect for my first time but would like to get the rust gone.
Overlap the new panels 1/2” or so , I wouldn’t try butt matching if just starting out. Also check out my video on gluing panels with structural adhesive, maybe that would be helpful as well 👍🏼
John, how much time does it take you to do the wheel arches per side? I need to do mine on my 2012 F150. Need to do the cab corners and rockers as well but I am going to start with the wheel arches. If that goes well I'll then tackle the rockers. Have to finish restoring my old studebaker first so I have some room in garage.
I usually bill 8 hours a side, plus paint time for wheel arches
Thanks John, Based on that I think I'll tackle one side per weekend. Looking forward to the next video today! Also I am enjoying watching you do the metal work on the delivery sedan.
Awesome, that, glad you are liking the videos!
Hey man I read a comment your in Quesnel BC. I was born and raised there and all my family still live there. Unbelievable. I'm an autobody technician aswell and I'll be tackling the same job on my Silverado. Unbelievably small world. I wanted to ask you what you used to treat the inside of the repair with? I figured I might be able to remove the light and spray cavity wax
I always try to brush paint the backside with POR15 or similar, as well as coating the inside with oil (I use an old undercoating gun) so it seeps into the pinchweld as well
I'll steal that idea! Thanks for the reply! I'd love to say hi whenever I'm visiting home
Absolutely, I’ll put you to work 😁😁
@@Johnnymidnight that might be fun, bet ill learn a thing or 2 😎🤘
What do you charge a customer for this job?
Typically to weld in wheel arches/paint bedsides runs around $1000 a side
Great video! I’ve always wanted to see auto sheet metal being butt welded, but I wanted to ask: how do you attach the fender liner to the patch panel? Is there a way to keep it from happening again, would drains in the inner panel help or hurt?
The wheelhouses weld around the lip of the panels, I always treat the inside of the panels with oil, to coat the exposed welds, and always recommend to pull the taillights once a year and pressure wash all the accumulated dirt from inside the panels 👍🏼
@@JohnnymidnightWhat kind of oil?
@@briizcustoms9543 I just use used motor oil in an old undercoating gun
Where can i get those panels?
Usually any auto parts store can get them
What would something like this cost me ?
They’re typically around $1000 a side (Canadian), around $1500 a side when replacing the outer wheelhouses
Did you weld the fabricated backside to the front?
Just plug welded around the lip of the wheel arches
I want to try this .. if it doesn’t come out good there’s always a fender flare to put over my crappy bodywork ! Lol
Yep, most trucks around here have those ugly bushwackers just to cover rust 😁
How much would something like this would cost,,
Typically around $1000 a side
What do you charge for this repair
An outer wheel arch , done and painted is typically around 1000 a side
How much did you charge for this?
These are typically around $1000 a side, around $1500 a side when the wheelhouses require replacement as well
Nice work man! How much was this to get done
In this case it was a complete paint on this truck, but to do just the box, body and paint, would be around $1000 a side
How much did this costs the customer?
Typically around 1000 a side, around 1400 a side if it requires wheelhouses
Awesome job! How long do those type of repairs take to do?
Thanks, I typically charge 8-10 hours repair +4 hours paint per side to do wheel arches
Can you do mine? 😂
You betcha, my wait list is long, but I’m going to fix them all eventually 😁😁
It’s hard to see on a black truck
They get to be like a flower pot on the inside don’t they
They really do, and all the manufacturers seem to be the same. I believe they’re engineered to rust out in about 8-10 years to keep people buying new trucks.
Low light and black paint are not a good combo
Where are you located
In Quesnel, British Columbia
never understood doing all that work for a dam patch why not put a new bedsides on all that welding you d does nothing but burn off the e coat on the back side put on a new bedside then you know what you have
Usually comes down to budget , I do full bedsides all the time too, and it’s about the same labor wise, but roughly double the cost. (Depending on the truck, 800-2200 per bedside vs 200-400 per patch panel, that’s just parts)I always coat the inside of the panel to seal up all of the exposed welds.
@@Johnnymidnight i have had body shop for 52 years yea i know customers dont want to spend the extra money but i do not do any patch work anymore i try to tell them it could start rusting outside of the repair area in a few months and it will but they keep going back to the cost difference i say new bedsides or go somewhere else lost of couple of friends because a couple years later it started rusting 8 to 10 inches past the patch to me it is not worth it
I always give customers the option, if they’re just wanting another 5-6 years out of an old truck, patch panels are ok, but I always say if they’re keeping it forever to do full bedsides. The Dodge stuff is rarely worth patching though, because they rust through in several spots…..
@@Johnnymidnight this shit that we do is hard work how about the cost of materials its crazy i remember back when i started i had a pretty big shop had seven full time body men during the day and two full time painters that worked all night we were open 24 hour a day i remember buying body filler buy the case it was 24 dollars a case
Yep, and I swear everything has doubled in the last year or two