Pure Alcohol In My Diesel Heater! Diesel Heater. PT- 21

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  • @Jam3s2001
    @Jam3s2001 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is the one I've been waiting for since ep 1.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Haha... Wow... I put you through a lot of agony on the way here... thanks for hanging in there.

  • @magnus1liljeqvist
    @magnus1liljeqvist ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is exciting. I actually have 20 liters of pure methanol in my garage. Had plans for making biodiesel but never got to it.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I've had a few people tell me that they have alcohol just sitting around ... If I had a bunch of it, I think I would mix it in with whatever fuel I was burning at 10 - 15% ... You may lose a little overall heat, but it should be okay at that quantity.

    • @werner.x
      @werner.x ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sell these 20l. With current prices you sure make huge profit.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@werner.x I'm sure the government has a special tax for that. 🤣

    • @petedebo6906
      @petedebo6906 ปีที่แล้ว

      The burn tube is stainless steel it would be almost impossible for the stainless steel to corrode and it didn't do nothing to the flame separator the only thing it might do is erode the glow plug how much

    • @petedebo6906
      @petedebo6906 ปีที่แล้ว

      How much methanol did you use sorry my fingers hit the wrong button

  • @hermomeneejo
    @hermomeneejo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As E85 (RE85 made from biowaste) has been upto 70 cents cheaper than diesel per L past two weeks, I have continued my E85 tests. I changed tube from tank to pump for Gates Biodiesel and E85 proof pipe. I first changed standart 22ml pump from other diesel heater which worked ok last winter with E85 and white hard plastic pipe from pump to burnchamber put lot a bubbles and flameouts and only works longer times when pump outlet points wrong way down. E85 has about 30% less energy than gasoline so I ordered also 30% bigger 28ml pump and installed it directly to burnchamber with short 90 degrees rubberline so there isn't lot of space to bubbles collect and make flameouts. I don't yet have all ECU settings back to diesel ones as don't remember them all, but "set oil flow" is now 1.9Hz and burn chamber temp 145C. With longer tube between pump chamber and smaller pump over 3Hz was needed to get some kind of longer burn times. This heater is inside my sauna and exhaust go inside wood stove which have about 90kg steel and stones and then out of chimney. I have 3 diesel cars but I really hate diesel fuel in hands and spills which are very slippery and take for ever to evaporate so I have tried this fuel.

    • @hermomeneejo
      @hermomeneejo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      4Hz 185C; 5Hz 198/199C, warm air 80C out from 4m long aluminium 80mm pipe. This was quit succesful component setting, I have never had so high heat exhanger temps even with E85 + Kerosene + waist oil .

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I like your creativity. I can see how gasses (air) in the fuel line would be more of a problem with E85, as it has a MUCH lower vapour pressure... Putting the pump close to the heater seems like a good idea to avoid pair pockets gathering.
      If you haven't already, I would suggest running the fuel tank much higher than the pump and heater, this will provide positive pressure to the inlet side of the pump, and cut down on vapor in the lines.
      I hate diesel fuel as well, haha. Nasty stuff, but does a great job at what it is meant for.
      Sound like a very interesting experiment. Are you getting any odd fluttering from the inlet or exhaust ? I noticed this when testing with gasoline and alcohol.
      Do you have a CO meter to check your exhaust ? This is a really good way to set your air fuel ratio. Aiming for 20 to 30 ppm is reasonable (with diesel) ... should be the same with E85, but it may be difficult.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My heater temps are usually around 210C when I run my heater a little rich, and when I run it properly, around 185C. I am at 3500 feet (1000M) so the air is a little thinner. When I run my heater on "normal" mode the ECU overrides the fuel hz and cuts back at 210C. When running in "alpine mode" it has less CO and makes less heat, about 185 C

    • @hermomeneejo
      @hermomeneejo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have quit hard tank system for pump, flat 10L tank with suplied thin metal pipe bolted to the top but I wanted to test if this tank feed really works as I have to install some Webasto Evo water heaters which didn't come with fuel pumps and these chinese pumps cost about 1/5 of real Webasto ones. Heater has now worked 14h with 2Hz without any problems. I want to have kind of hybrid heating system as about 3 weeks ago electricity was insane expensive 3.36 CAD per kwh on one day, over -30C visited last week. Insane things seems to happen in 2020s pandemic, eastern neighbour fighting a war and killing 100000s and trying to flatten a big country to ruins.

    • @zacharymorris9917
      @zacharymorris9917 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@loweredexpectations4927 are you accounting for airflow demand difference between diesel and gasoline? Without an air throttle, it's going to be difficult to run on gasoline. Ethanol and methanol would be even more difficult.
      A good rule of thumb for comparing airflow demand per fuel is:
      Diesel 1.5
      Gas 1.0
      E85 0.85
      M1 0.50

  • @TheCritterWindow
    @TheCritterWindow ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That will be hard on the pump. Could have added some 2 cycle oil to help the pump.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, that's why I didn't run the test too long. I didn't add oil as it wouldn't be pure alcohol if I did, and the oil would almost certainly increase the heat output. Maybe I will test that in the future.

    • @AtimatikArmy
      @AtimatikArmy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@loweredexpectations4927 Klots Techniplate

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AtimatikArmy Yeah... I don't know if that's the stuff... They have changed the color and graphics on their containers... and it used to be a round metal can... It was 31 years ago... My buddy, BJ said that he bought some a few months ago..

    • @AtimatikArmy
      @AtimatikArmy ปีที่แล้ว

      @Lowered Expectations Yeah I just remember us using that stuff about 20 years ago as it was designed to mix with methanol. I remember it coming in a quart sized white plastic bottle back then (if memory serves right).

  • @wallacefrey6247
    @wallacefrey6247 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So, are we going to end the winter season with a bang by trying MEK, or other super flammable liquid in the heater?

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OMG !! .... I can't even imagine. Have you every burnt MEK ? I have some but I don't think I want to do that with it, haha.

    • @werner.x
      @werner.x ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Isn't mek just another carbon based solvent?
      That shouldn't burn any hotter than acetone.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@werner.x I'm not sure how it burns... I just know that it's freaking nasty ! I also have some polyester resin that I could burn in it... maybe diluted with acetone 😬😬😬😬

    • @wallacefrey6247
      @wallacefrey6247 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@werner.x It would be a very close match.

    • @wallacefrey6247
      @wallacefrey6247 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@loweredexpectations4927 It's probably at least 4-5 times more potent than gas.

  • @martypeterson6563
    @martypeterson6563 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would E85 with a oil additive work better turn up the Htz on the pump to 2 maybe? My units should be here Today! 3 of them LOL

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LOL... you bought 3 heaters ? Are you planning on starting a Diesel Heater YT channel ? 🤣 MP's Super Hot Garage.
      Honestly... I would try E85 if it were available where I am... but it's pretty scarce. I went looking for it in my city and the closest thing I could find was a post from 2017 saying that one station had it... but no longer.

  • @1marcelfilms
    @1marcelfilms 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you do experiment with peristaltic pump? That would give much more control over the flow and also be quiet.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A few people have suggested this. This would be pretty easy to set up if you run the pump manually (off a variable speed control). I have a lot of things I would love to try, and this is on my list

  • @hermomeneejo
    @hermomeneejo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You can use Castor oil as lubrication as it used in small RC engines, that would also rise BTUs and there is also modern oils for Methanol and Ethanol. Methanol is very toxic and rot many plastics and rubbers so check if fuel lines are Methanol and E85 (Ethanol) proof. I have used E85 on my china heater and mixture settings are very hard to get right and I cooked also my own mixture to get BTU up from waste oil, E85 and Kerosene (Lamp oil, Jet fuel). Ethanol don't mix with ordinary motor oil or vegetable oil in room temperature but with Kerosene I got nice mixture which moves nicely in low temperatures. Waste oil has metal, different additives and free Carbon so it is going to leave a lot of crap in this kind of heaters which should vaporise the fuel before burning.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the comment !
      This was an interesting test, but alcohols don't really have enough energy to make them practical, and like you say, they are harder to deal with and methanol is fairly dangerous.
      I found one gas station here that sells E85... people have been asking me to do E85 forever, and it's not readily available here. E85 seems like something you burn in a heater if you want a real challenge or like making your life hard, haha... It has the difficulties of gas and alcohol and has less energy than gasoline. Haha.
      Yes... waste oil (and new oil) not only has additives, but because it is a heavy oil, no matter how clean and additive free it is, it will always leave behind ash. I have talked to a lot of boiler techs and waste oil burner techs who work with heavy oil burners, and they all say the same thing. This just makes sense ... they refine diesel from these heavier oils, and that process removes the crud that would otherwise be left behind.

    • @Deveak
      @Deveak 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Would it blend with biodiesel? Would keep the fuel pump lubricated. Castor oil I’ve heard of but I’m not sure it will burn well. In a 2 stroke it comes out the exhaust.

    • @hermomeneejo
      @hermomeneejo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Deveak I don't know for real how biodiesel and alcohol mix but as it is made of methanol or ethanol and after reactios there is usually free alcohol in mixture which need to get out I suppose alcohol mixes better with biodiesel than dinodiesel. Only reason for me to use E85 in diesel heater was that my heater was in sauna and exhaust was connected to the wood burning stove which ripped out heat and send exhaust gas to the roof. Even though I have some diesel cars I don't like the smell of diesel fuel in hands, cloths, house, you will drop eventually fuel somewhere by accident when you fill 5L or 10L tanks. I switched to blended fuels and diesel when I moved heater more out of house in winter garden, I would have used gasoline but it's more fire hazard to handle than E85.
      These heater get very strange fuels inside and if it vaporise in plug and metal mesh it burns, I don't think that Castor oil has any problems in that department when it's only used as lubrication, RC engines use a very high % of lube so it don't have time to burn everything when they scream in high revs. Smaller engines don't have any piston rings so they need a heavy oil to seal them.

  • @Jokker868
    @Jokker868 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have heard adding the methanol to the waste oil works. Great video

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      I have tried that and did not have good results... I didn't document it well. From what I understand you also have to add something to get it to mix with the oil (I used gasoline) as alcohol will not mix directly with oil.

    • @werner.x
      @werner.x ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@loweredexpectations4927
      What could be tried, is alcohol venturied into the air steam, which you planned adding into the waste oil feed.
      Don't know why, just another thing for the scientific approach.
      You've tried so many things, you could just continue.
      But if, don't forget some post apocalypse scenarious.After part 200 or so 🤣
      I've got some ideas to keep the family busy with heating the house using a heavily modified chinese diesel heather during wintertime without combustible fluids and without grid power. 😇

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@werner.x Yeah... I have played with feeding alcohol into the air inlet some. I need to come up with a good delivery method where I can add more and control it accurately... ideally having it evaporate before it goes in.
      Haha... part 200 is quickly approaching at, at this rate. I've got a lot of ideas... It's hard to get everything done , filmed and edited... and it's also hard not to just do things that are pure fun, and have no practical value. haha.

    • @cheetor5923
      @cheetor5923 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@loweredexpectations4927 How about a lawnmower carb on the air intake?

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cheetor5923 OH MAN !!! I l LOVE THIS IDEA ! Wow.... I'm seriously going to try this and see what happens.... Thanks !

  • @roastntoast7550
    @roastntoast7550 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like the sound of the new Intro! 👍

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks. I've decided to rotate this one in with a few others so that people don't get toooo sick of the old one.

  • @Coladudetje
    @Coladudetje ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have those valves couple of years some start leaking those plastic valves are bad. Get brass ones instead.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the input. These valves have a inlet and outlet side and tend to leak if you feed into the outlet side. Not saying that's what happened to you, but possible.
      These valves come installed on almost every single Honda lawnmower and I have never had to replace one for leaking. They do get broken form impact sometimes.

  • @lanceulbrich6249
    @lanceulbrich6249 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It looks like you feeding the air in before your preheater have you tried installing you tee after the preheat at all. I think when you put it in before the preheat it would need to have too much pressure in order to push everything down the line putting more resistance on your fuel pump causing a flameout. I have experienced that with too much pressure myself.
    Alcohol has around 1/3 the energy density of the diesel so 3 times the volume will need to be injected to get the btu

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have tried it without the preheater, but I have not tried preheating the fuel and injecting air after. I have thought about the pressure reducing fuel flow and I do think it is a concern, but this is not the main issue based on the pressures where it flames out. I have had it running up to 20 psi (or at least that's what my gauge says) and it runs fine... but then other times it flames out at 8 or 10 psi.
      I just made some changes and it seems to have made a big difference in temperature but I just started testing. Where the glow plug area enters into the chamber, there was a large step. This step was causing the fuel and air to rush in directly at the area where the fuel comes in. The way I have it now, I believe it is causing a swirling motion.
      Yeah... alcohol is not a good fuel for making heat, haha. I knew that, but it was a fun test and lots of people wanted to see it. It is a lot of fun to play with because it burns so clean, doesn't smell, and even if you spill it it just evaporates.

    • @lanceulbrich6249
      @lanceulbrich6249 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@loweredexpectations4927 yup it's good stuff.
      It would be nice to know what pressure those pumps can build. As long as you stay cpl psi below that it shouldn't be an issue

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lanceulbrich6249 Yeah... I have no idea if my regulator gauge is correct, but it reads 20 and still gets fuel. I don't think it's a diaphragm regulator ... It's for a paint spray gun, so a flow regulator. I'm actually running two now. I have a diaphragm regulator feeding into the second one and that keeps the pressure more stable.

  • @SR-gt350
    @SR-gt350 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Alcohol is very cool burning as you say but combustion volatility is higher. Remember Ricky Bobby, I'm on 🔥.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, cool burning, one of the reasons it is used in turbocharged cars, to help avoid detonation.

  • @blah_z
    @blah_z ปีที่แล้ว

    i love a good Safety Tip.

  • @SR-gt350
    @SR-gt350 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Water injection would clean up the carbon.....maybe. if you create a venturi it could draw water in thru the negative pressure portion of the venturi

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      This could work, and I have thought if this... The biggest problem at this point (with doing that) is that the burn chamber already struggles to stay hot. Water has a terrific cooling effect and would make things worse if it couldn't sustain temp while evaporating the water.

  • @MrG-ng2hk
    @MrG-ng2hk ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this guy is not well in the best possible way lmfao nice work g

  • @NovaDexter
    @NovaDexter ปีที่แล้ว +1

    alcohol and Diesil mix maybe?

  • @bobp6742
    @bobp6742 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The reason it was burning cooler on the alcohol could be due to the lower flash point.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for the comment. I don't think that that is correct. The flash point lowers at what point it can combust, but the burning cooler is related to how much energy it releases when burnt minus the cooling effect of the evaporation.

    • @bobp6742
      @bobp6742 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@loweredexpectations4927 just a thought mate.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bobp6742 I'm not a chemist or physicist, so maybe my understanding of it is way off. That's just what I think based on what I've read about energy density.

    • @bobp6742
      @bobp6742 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@loweredexpectations4927
      I only know about burning oil so I've found your experiments "interesting" 😉

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bobp6742 Haha... yes, that's a good way to put it. "interesting"

  • @hjhenk422
    @hjhenk422 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i wonder how any gaskets you are using, or do you use something else as a gasket ? im waiting for my gasket to get here from china . using 70/30 diesel/waste oil and after 6 weeks the damn thing stopt working

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't always use gaskets, but I would recommend you do so. I glue my gasket on one side and put grease on the other... That way it doesn't rip off and I can use them several times without issue. I have used sealant glue a bunch of times as well, but that is a pain.
      If you are getting 6 weeks of running 70/30 count yourself lucky, haha. Eventually the chamber will get plugged up where you can't clean it and then it will only be a day or less.

    • @hjhenk422
      @hjhenk422 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@loweredexpectations4927 I'm going to do that to thank you for the advice with the damn glue

  • @gregorykucera4235
    @gregorykucera4235 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish someone could design a glow plug that would last longer

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      ... You're having glow plug issues ?? I have had the same glow plug for over a year and never had a single issue. I abuse the heck out of it.
      I've had to solder the wires on at least 4 times. I take it in and out so often the wired fall off... other than that, not a single issue.
      Perhaps the issue is with your ECU and not the glow plug ? Perhaps it is either sending it too much power and burning them out, or perhaps it is just glitching and thinks the plug is bad ?

    • @gregorykucera4235
      @gregorykucera4235 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@loweredexpectations4927 could be ,I run this thing 24 hours a day all winter I can't believe it even holds up to this kind of use at al for 99 dollars. I started running diesel kleen additive this winter and it is alot cleaner running

  • @antoniosestar3671
    @antoniosestar3671 ปีที่แล้ว

    burning lpg/propane next?

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For some reason, that scares me... I have fed some into the inlet of the heater and didn't notice any difference, but I was afraid to hold it there for too long.

  • @YouThinkAboutThis
    @YouThinkAboutThis ปีที่แล้ว

    Please redu the motor end cap test with a Ss.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Test coming soon... I hope... as long as I can get it edited and published.

  • @sebastiank1714
    @sebastiank1714 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think air cooling the chamber while the glow-plug heats up towards ignition temperature is not helping you.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the comment. I'm not 100% sure what you are referring to, but I assume it's about the air that I'm feeding in with my fuel ?
      This is true... If I allow the air to run before the fuel starts pumping, then the heater will refuse to start at all.
      The air control valve I'm using allows me to shut the air of completely while the glow plug is warming up. By the time the pump starts pumping, the plug is at full heat. Once I hear the pump, I crack open the air valve and this sprays fuel and air on the glow plug and it ignites immediately. Since making this mod (feeding air with the fuel) the heater never has any issues starting, but it does take some babysitting until it warms up.

  • @dptp9lf
    @dptp9lf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this is why we run alcohol in our race cars

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I used to work for a few snowmobile drag race teams, and we would use this as a last minute "jetting" remedy .... If you don't have time to change your jets, and it gets warm, you can effectively go about 1jet size down with 10% alcohol.

  • @billynomates920
    @billynomates920 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    did we find out what the red stuff was, anyone?

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Red stuff ? From this video or one of my last ones ?

    • @lanceulbrich6249
      @lanceulbrich6249 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm gonna guess iron oxide

    • @billynomates920
      @billynomates920 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@loweredexpectations4927 from your last one, i think. it looked too red (to me) to be iron oxide but it must have been something in the waste oil?

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@billynomates920 I think it was from the washer... I thought it was stainless, but when I watched the footage back, I'm pretty sure that it was just a mild steel washer. So. yeah... pretty sure it is iron oxide.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lanceulbrich6249 Yeah.

  • @jcbowden2604
    @jcbowden2604 ปีที่แล้ว

    Air pressure should be measured in cfh with a flow meter, not psi.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. Psi is just due to the restriction of the cfm. I don't have a way to measure CFM and the regulator I have has a built in pressure gauge. The restriction is fixed. So the psi is directly related to the cfm, yes ?
      I'm not even sure how one would measure cfm in this situation ... I'm sure there is a gauge similar to a welding gas gauge that read higher ? I've never seen or used one.
      I always tell people a similar thing when they talk about turbos building boost pressure. People always act like more boost is better, but it just means that you have a restriction.

  • @ChippyOutdoors
    @ChippyOutdoors ปีที่แล้ว

    Should really pull the plug upgrade the ecu and controller to get pump control all and all

  • @werner.x
    @werner.x ปีที่แล้ว +1

    20l of methanol in Germany: 886,77 €
    1l of Diesel reasonable 1,70 € these days, almost back to pre Russian Invasion - but due to a dramatic drop in economy here.
    1l of ethanol in Germany 2,99 €
    SO - better not burn money with alcohol here.
    Interesting, that alcohol itself has such a distinct cooling effect.
    That means, one could try to cool down turbocharged diesel engines with 100% ethanol manifold injection instead of using water, i assume.
    With this huge temperature rise at air feed through fuel intake, i'd highly be interested in an air-waste oil combination.
    But most interesting would this be for the outside world with a stock burn chamber -in case, one assumes, somebody is silly enough trying to save money by ruining his stock diesel heater with waste motor oil.
    But i probably wouldn't waste a new chamber for youtube myself.

    • @werner.x
      @werner.x ปีที่แล้ว

      I did find a cheaper methanol source. But with postage the 25l canister still comes to 6 € per liter, which is 3,5 times the current price of Diesel fuel. And the cheapest ethanol is about twice the price of Diesel since the pandemic.
      So, heating with alcohol definitely is not for the poor.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I paid about $6.30 per litre of Methanol.
      I knew that it had a cooling effect ... but it was much more dramatic than I thought it would be, as well.
      I worked on a snowmobile drag racing team with my father, and we used to use methanol on race day... If it is too warm and you don't have time to change jetting, about 10% methanol is one jet size and yes, has a cooling effect. I think they use ethanol because it is much more readily available and less expensive. Methanol is also quite toxic.
      I am currently working on a air / waste oil combination 👍

  • @pdruff
    @pdruff ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Double the number of fuel pumps.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great idea... I wonder if the circuit board would run two pumps without failing ...Or if it would run at all... The ECU needs to detect the resistance of the pump before it will start and if you have two pumps, it will change the resistance and probably cause an error code.

    • @werner.x
      @werner.x ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@loweredexpectations4927
      You can always try it with a high power resistor in line. And in series nothing will burn anyhow.
      If the ecu doesn't like other resistance values, maybe a relay does fit and this relay can safely feed two pumps in parallel mode.
      But, really, even more alcohol fed through?
      Whats up there in Canada? Maybe i should move there. In Germany Diesel prices are almost down to pre Russian invasion, but that's due to our crashing consumer demand. But since the pandemic pure alcohol is luxury - not the watered down drinkable stuff, this one interestingly didn't rise at all since before pandemic. But Methanol is around three times the diesel price now and the cheapest ethanol is still almost twice the price of Diesel.
      Simply much to expensive to heat anything with it. You could as well use electricity instead.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@werner.x Yeah... I'm sure that I could find a relay that had the same resistance... probably better off with a solid state tho, as a mechanical relay may not be able to keep up with the duty cycle and also wear out .... that's a lot of switching per hour.
      The whole alcohol thing is purely for kicks ... there's no practical side to it at all. The cheapest I have found methanol here is $3.75 a litre, and that is about twice the price of diesel... not sure about ethanol.

    • @cheetor5923
      @cheetor5923 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@loweredexpectations4927 You could get a 24V ECU and run 2 x 12v pumps wired in series, that should work fine.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cheetor5923 Yeah... that could work... I would have to get a 24V motor and glow plug as well.. Good thinking.

  • @BS-ql5nl
    @BS-ql5nl ปีที่แล้ว

    I take it methinal and ethinal are the the same I had a ethinal burner and got really expensive to run with very little heat output but you didn't need any extraction because it burns clean and no soot.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      Methanol is chemically almost the exact same but has one more carbon atom ... This makes it extremely toxic. It burns the same and is often used for gas line de icer or air brake deicer on big rig trucks.
      Yeah... when alcohol burns properly, it releases CO2 and water vapor so it is fairly safe compared to other fuels. As long as you are getting a nice blue or clear flame you should be ok.

  • @ProctoLogic
    @ProctoLogic ปีที่แล้ว

    You seems confused saying you burning alcohol but you are burning methanol. Not ethanol. Pure alcohol is prob the cleanest fuel to burn

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'll be the first to admit that I am confused... like all the time... Methanol is a type of alcohol ... No ? Methanol, Ethanol, Isopropyl ... They are all types of alcohol.

  • @tomirwin4819
    @tomirwin4819 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    👍

  • @nikitamckeever5403
    @nikitamckeever5403 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are doing it all wrong . What you should be using is a bottle of Glen Headache . This cheap whiskey ( blended ) should sort your burning cooler issue out . At the very least it will intoxicate your diesel heater 😂

  • @mgcreed
    @mgcreed ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That red hat don't match. Put a blue or Grey one on

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha... The red hat was free, and the blue hoodie was free... Currently accepting donations of blue hats and red shirts😁

  • @easymac79
    @easymac79 ปีที่แล้ว

    I shared some thoughts to a random Community post... I cannot find that to follow up.. But this is essentially what I was going for: th-cam.com/video/_5FsUfavNVw/w-d-xo.html
    When you had issues with overheating, I thought alcohol might bring down the temps, but this seems to be two different tangents. I would love to se water/meth for cleaning, as you alluded to.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's an interesting heater concept... I suspect that it would be problematic when running it for extended periods, as it builds pressure depending on temp of the flame and fuel level in the coil. I suspect, if you used a fuel like oil, it would cause the heating coil to ash.
      The overheating issue isn't a problem if making too much heat but with where the heat is being made. When burning diesel, the burn all happens in the burn chamber, in the vaporization tube. The heat is then gradually distributed out the burn tube and over the entire heat exchanger body.
      When burning waste oil, the oil does not burn well and actually makes less heat than the diesel (in most cases) but a lot of the burn is happening outside of the burn chamber, in direct contact with the heat exchanger. This more focused heat is what causes both the overheating at the sensor and the flames coming out the exhaust.
      Alcohol would cool the burn, but what we actually need is for the oil to burn hotter, but at the start of the burn chamber, where it is intended to burn. I now have a thermometer on my chamber, as you may have seen in this video, and I show a clip of burning oil 17:24 and you can see that the burn chamber is 250C and the exchanger is 208C. When the chamber runs too cool, the fuel burns outside of the chamber and the heater will overheat.
      Sorry for the long response... I hope this makes sense.

    • @easymac79
      @easymac79 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@loweredexpectations4927 No worries, I do remember in the earlier videos, the flame was migrating outside of the burn chamber. Come to think of it, I'm mildly surprised the heat exchanger didn't show damage from that. I wonder if the carbon build-up acts as an insulator - not to mention the thermal mass and air flow.
      That's actually why I don't think Robo dude's coil would melt - the oil inside is cooling the metal. It could be adjusted to modulate the output I would think. Have seen a demo where someone puts a bit of water into a -civilian airship- I mean balloon, then apply a lighter flame to the area the water sits? It doesn't pop. The water is able to conduct the heat away faster than the latex absorbs the heat. th-cam.com/video/4RyQM-7Ftvs/w-d-xo.html

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@easymac79 The carbon build up would provide some insulation, but the reason why the heat exchanger doesn't get damaged is due to its ability to dissipate heat. The fins and fan on the outside, and aluminums ability to transfer heat rapidly, makes it the perfect material for this.
      Single cylinder motorcycles from the late 1980s were producing over 25 kw (and more in heat energy as they were very inefficient) and the cylinder and head would have about as much surface area as one of these heat exchangers. That tells us that these heaters can probably dissipate around 25 kw of heat without melting / getting damaged. The equivalent of burning two litres of diesel per hour.
      However, a copper tube, inside of the burn chamber, while it is very good at absorbing heat and transferring it, it has very little thermal mass and the only thing it would be transferring heat to is about 9ML of oil per minute (a tablespoon). If we had a much higher oil flow through the tubing, the oil would never boil and the pipe would never melt, just like the balloon in the video.... However, just like the balloon in the video, if the water boiled off or even boiled vigorously, the balloon would no longer be protected and it would pop.
      At 4:48 in Mr.RoBo's video, you can not only see green in the flame meaning the copper is being consumed, but the color of the copper indicates that it is hot enough that it is oxidizing. He does not have a forced air set up, it is just mixing with atmospheric air, so that works in his advantage. (less heat and less oxygen) His coil won't melt on his heater for a few reasons. The outside of the coil is exposed to cooling air, it doesn't have forced air, and despite what he thinks, it is definitely not 20KW. 20KW is 70,000 btu... If my calculations are correct, that is enough to boil 218 litres (58 gallons) of water in a minute.
      Even if my math isn't 100% correct, hopefully you understand what I'm saying 👍

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@easymac79 LOL... I don't know where your "karren" comment went, but it was pretty funny. I put a lot if time and effort into my response. I tend to be a little obsessive and I was waiting for a video to export. I had to do quite a bit of google searching to try to get all of the numbers right, but I assure you I wrote it myself. Cheers !

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm so confused... Your comments are all disappearing and it seems like you are saying you are Mr ROBO ? Like I said ... confused, haha.

  • @Dn8484out
    @Dn8484out ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wish you'd just do tests without added air for us normal people that have these... after all the tests none have proven to be successful.

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't remember for sure... but I thought I did try with no air in this video....
      This is video 21 in a series of over 30 videos, and only a very few air was used. Most of the testing I have done was done with modifications the average person could do...

  • @AtimatikArmy
    @AtimatikArmy ปีที่แล้ว

    Nitromethane!

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha... the smell it makes !! 🤢
      If I had access to some, I'd be all over that, haha.... HOWEVER... I hate to be the bubble burster, but I will be anyway.
      Nitromethane is only about half as energy dense as alcohol. It has an energy density of around 5000 BTU/LB and alcohol is 9500. The reason it makes so much power is because it contains a lot of oxygen. This means that you can burn 8 times as much fuel as you would when running gasoline.
      Top fuel cars inject so much fuel that they are on the verge of hydrolocking as they do not need space for air. It's all fuel !!
      Basically, running nitromethane is like running Nitrous Oxide on a gas engine, but the oxygen is in the fuel instead of being added from a tank.

    • @AtimatikArmy
      @AtimatikArmy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@loweredexpectations4927 Holy shit did not know that! We experimented running some small percent of it mixed with methanol in Go-Ped racing back in the day with mixed results...

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@AtimatikArmy Yeah... the best stuff that I have used is Klotz nitro. Not sure what the mix was, but it had some nitromethane... Probably had something else that was more energy dense like diesel or kerosene, and the excess oxygen helped it burn.
      WIth just nitromethane and gasoline, you are basically just leaning your engine out. If your engine needed more air, it will make more power. If you were running rich on oil, it would consume more of the oil and make more power as oil is energy dense. It is very interesting stuff.

    • @AtimatikArmy
      @AtimatikArmy ปีที่แล้ว

      @Lowered Expectations Yeah all interesting stuff and all of it a head scratcher. Interesting point about the 2-stroke oil being consumed is more energy dense... I will have think about that one now for a while!

    • @loweredexpectations4927
      @loweredexpectations4927  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AtimatikArmy Haha... when you start talking to me, you probably won't' get answers... just more questions to ponder. 🤣

  • @donnied6759
    @donnied6759 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well at least no singe eyebrows yet 🙄