I always interpreted that Dooku was too stunned, gut shot to say anything. We often don't realize how paralyzed a mind can be with fear in the moment of imminent death. He never thought a true noble gentleman like him could go out like that. He was probably still hamster-wheeling it all when his head left his shoulders. He got played.
Absolutely. Surprise and pain are much more distracting than one might think, even for someone as cunning as Darth Tyranus (the fact that he was out-gambited despite his cunning probably also played into your aforementioned hamster-wheeling). The saying goes, "You didn't lose because you were dumb, you lost because you're human" (though, I imagine it also applies to Wookies, Rodians and other species besides Vulcans, heh heh).
Palpatine was a close friend of Anakin, who Dooku and Grievous abducted the same day. Dooku knew that accusing him of being his master and co-orchestrator of the Clone Wars would only piss off Anakin even more. Anakin would not believe it anyway, no more than Obi-Wan believed Dooku when he said the Republic was under the control of Darth Sidious.
In an interview just prior to his death, Christopher Lee said the original scene was much darker. During their duel, Dooku taunted Anakin that Dooku had hired the Sand People to kidnap, torture, and kill Anakin's mother. According to Lee, after Anakin "disarms" Dooku, Dooku was trying to tell Anakin that Dooku did this at his Master's behest, identifying Palpatine as the Sith Master. At that point, Palpatine "orders" Anakin to kill Dooku with the great "Do it." They thought the original scene was too dark to open the movie with, so they went with what we ended up with. I think the original scene would show what a master planner Palpatine was, it was just another step on the way to the fall of Anakin.
But wouldn't identifying Palpatine as the one responsible in Anakin's mother's death counterproductive? Sure it'll make Anakin more likely to go to the darkside but he'll also just turn on Sidious immediately.
I personally think Palpatine and/or Dooku being responsible for Shimi's demise is a good idea as you could say they utilized Sith arts to convince the Sand People they must kill Shimi (as hiring them to do the deed doesn't fit with what we know about the Sans People & by having them be manipulated would have made the Sand People victims of the Sith! Palpatine being responsible for Shimi's death fits with his personality & her death would drive Anakin towards the Dark Side! You could still have Anakin kill Dooku & have him refuse to believe Dooku's claims as a lie to get him to murder the Chancellor! Anakin chooses to trust Palpatine & even after he reveals he is a Dark Lord, he assures Anakin that Dooku had Shimi killed to distract him as Dooku planned to corrupt Obi-Wan to overthrow Sidious, but he failed & Palpatine uses the opportunity to convince Anakin that he can not only help save Padme but also resurrect his mother! It could still work due to Anakin viewing Palpatine as a father figure (along with the suggestion that Sidious is responsible for Shimi's virgin pregnancy through his manipulation of the Force, either by himself or with the aid of his late master)! Also, maybe have Darth Vader one day realize Dooku was telling the truth, that Palpatine was ultimately responsible for Shimi's death (possibility before Empire Strikes Back, thus explaining his desire to convince Luke to join him in taking down The Emperor, as he believes with Luke at his side they can destroy The Emperor)! My reasoning for why I think Anakin wouldn't try to kill Palpatine after Dooku reveals his role in Shimi's death is the same reason Pre-Mustafar Vader killed the Seperatist leadership which provided further evidence Palpatine had been playing both sides of the war (himself as Republic Chancellor & Dooku's involvement with the Seperatist leadership)! To me, I think Vader did realize Sidious was behind the war or at least suspected it, or Palpatine convinced him the war was the result of Dooku's desire to kill Palpatine as per the Rule of Two & that Palpatine himself wanted to bring order to the galaxy, with Anakin again trusting Palpatine as he desperately wanted to save Padme (along with the possibility of bringing back his mother)! Personally, I don't think Anakin was an idiot & would have likely realized Palpatine had some connections to the Seperatists or was responsible for the Clone Wars either with Dooku initially or throughout, though after falling to the Dark Side, Anakin always planned to overthrow Palpatine once he learned the secrets of the Dark Side, with him simply accepting the Sith Grand Plan & Chosen One prophecy were linked & that he would bring balance by killing Palpatine & ruling over the Galactic Empire (possibly even exposing Palpatine's complicity, while making himself out to be a war hero who brought order to the galaxy)! Unfortunately, Vader's plans never came to pass as he failed to recognize that Padme would never accept such methods & he became convinced Obi-Wan had turned her against him when in reality, he failed to recognize she loved Anakin & the light within him, not the Vader who embraced the Dark Side! After being crippled by Obi-Wan, Vader, who was conflicted as the Dark Side, cost him his wife & he was left crippled in a suit that made him vulnerable while at the same time increasing his strength due to the pain it caused him, & left him a virtual slave to Emperor Palpatine, with only the discovery of Luke's existence giving him hope that together father & son could kill Palpatine & truly bring an end to the destructive conflict of the Galactic Civil War (with Vader being sincere when he asked Luke to join him)! I personally like the idea that Vader saw himself as someone who could bring order to the galaxy (viewing the manipulative Palpatine as the source of said conflict, which, along with him hating he was subservient to the person whom Vader once saw as a father figure, yet was actually the one responsible for Padme's death as it was Anakin's fall to the Dark Side that lead to her death, with Vader seeing himself as too far gone to be redeemed & too angry at himself for allowing himself to be manipulated)! Anakin/ Vader is supposed to be a tragic character. Thus, Palpatine being responsible for Shimi's death adds upon to said tragedy by having Vader subservient to the man responsible for organizing his mother's demise, and the one thing he hated being, a slave to both Palpatine & the Dark Side! With Luke giving him hope, he might free himself & avenge their family by killing Palpatine (with Vader either planning to rule the Empire alongside Luke or have Luke kill him for his role in Padme's death & possibly the torture he caused his daughter onboard the Death Star while unaware her true identity, with him molding Luke to either succeed him along the lines of the Rule of Two or leave it up to Luke & Leia to determine which path they would follow)! Thus, Shimi's death being orchestrated by Palpatine has a lot of potential for storylines & could have been used to make Vader into a more nuisanced villain, who hated himself for being manipulated & played by a man he once trusted! Who cares if it makes the story darker as that's kind of the point as RotS is about Anakin's fall to the Dark Side & becoming the iconic cyborg & Lord of the Sith Darth Vader)! Its silly that was their reason for omitting it!
Problem is that scenario doesn't make sense; the novelization of Attack of the Clones details the Sand People's abduction of Shmi Skywalker and their defeating the locals attempt to rescue her.
What would snitching have accomplished? Dooku is a Sith Lord; treachery is their bread and butter, and the Jedi know this. He has no evidence on hand (too soon?), is facing down two people that actively want him killed, he himself knocked out the only person that could talk sense into Skywalker (hell, Obi-Wan's being conscious might've shut Palpatine up outright), and even IF any of the previous points went his way he would be in Republic custody, which in very short order would end in his death anyway. Dooku's number was up, plain and simple. And he knew it. Dooku considered himself a gentleman above all else. And gentlemen go out with dignity.
@@GoldenJaguar-xy3gn Well the plan was to Kill Obie, lose to Anakin, become a political prisoner, He had no desire to kill Obie so he knocked him unconscious, but the plan went like clockwork until the final 3 seconds, dying wasn't on the agenda.
You'd think he would at least have tried to bargain, though. "Kill me and you'll never learn the true identity of Sidious." He could at least stall for time until Obi-Wan woke up from his snooze.
@@The_Mighty_Fiction Wasn't time, he looked at Palpatine and Got Scissors, not to mention using the force to numb his hands going the way of the dinosaurs .
In the actual film it looked like Dooku was gonna say something when his lips moved a bit right before the screen moved. It could’ve just been accidental by the actor. But at the same time Dooku probably realized even if he said something it wouldn’t change his fate.
I think Dooku could "feel" the betrayal of Sidious as he used Battle Mediation to withdraw Dark Force support for Dooku, giving it to Anakin to win the duel. In one the books, Thrawn did an analysis on the Battle of Endor, and how ineffective the Empire's forces became after Palpatine's death, showing the loss of Battle mediation effecting the troops.
We are told how great of strategist. how great of warrior Anakin and how smart he was and during the Clone Wars. The killing of Dooku at the hands Anakin showed how short side and stupid he was at that very moment. Dooku was the enemy, separatist leader and Sith Lord. The information Dooku had would or could have ended the war. No amount of manipulation by Palpatine should have worked at that moment. People wonder, why Windu didn't want him trained as a Jedi or Anakin to accompany him to Palpatine office! He was hothead who when he got hothead, he really didn't think things out.
Anakin literally hated Dooku, he spanked his butt quite a few times and took his hand. The "Do it" was just the icing on top. If it was anyone else other than Dooku he probably wouldn't have given in.
@Golden Jaguar1977 Yea because they neglectfully gave a child with more midichlorians than Yoda to an Padawan who had never trained anyone else before, as opposed to Mace or Yoda deciding to even have a passing interest in the chosen one. No Maces problem is he believed he was the chosen one and he was wrong so he acted like a little girl instead of doing the right thing and training Anakin himself.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 your emotional response is juvenile. Sounds like you a Anakin fanboy. Logic and rational confirm the truth not emotions. Sorry bud but Anakin was a total Simp and emotional unstable person. And it ran in his family. Mace didn't need to be the chosen one he was gifted enough
Interesting, as always. My head canon sways to either: (1) Dooku was too traumatized by pain, and shocked that he had been beaten in this way; or, (2) He did not want to face the humiliation of incarceration, interrogation, trial, and execution without his hands; being quickly executed by the one who had beaten him conformed more to his aristocratic self-image. Thank you for all your work for we SW fans.
In my opinion I don’t think it would’ve mattered rather if Dooku succeeded as planned he was never really meant to be kept as a permanent apprentice @StupendousWave honestly this video finally makes sense of Dooku’s plan for the Empire
There's a reason that Palpatine was the Master and Dooku the apprentice. I always took it as Dooku simply accepting has fate, and the fact that if his master had decided it was time for him to die, there was nothing to be done about it. Though, he did have a look on his face that made it seem like he had some hope the Jedi side of the Chosen One would win out and he might yet be spared.
Dooku knew the Republic was corrupt beyond repair. He knew he had been used and betrayed yet accepted his role in remaking the galaxy. He knew it was too late. Even if he said something.
What sticks out to me as strange about Dooku is that in the Clone Wars, without exactly saying "Rule of Two" he seems to understand the rule to be in effect with Palpatine. He trained Ventress and was ordered to kill her to show loyalty (preserving the rule as well), he then tries to recruit Savage with the intent of destorying Palp and ruling together which fails spectatularly. But when it comes to Anakin being recruited by Palp, it's like suddenly Dooku doesn't realize that the Rule of Two would mean that if Anakin is swayed to become Palp's new apprentice, Dooku would likely be dead. So I guess for me, Dooku's handling of the Rule doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm perhaps unaware of this issue being addressed somewhere in canon or extended, but surely Dooku could'nt have believed that the best case scenario would end up with him, Palp and Ani ruling together.
Maybe he thought that Anakin would be his apprentice, or that he himself would be promoted and take on his own. I mean, they can't _always_ kill each other, surely otherwise there'd only _be_ two Sith at a time.
With this idea in mind, though, I wonder if maybe Palpatine had his eye on Obi-wan in 'The Phantom Menace.' After all, Qui-Gon says he is a little headstrong then and Maul follows the same strategy of killing Obi-wan's master in front of him.
It's possible Palpatine never told him Anakin was going to be his new apprentice, more just a Sith assassin like Ventress. Or Dooku had his own plan to make Anakin his apprentice and overthrow Palpatine
Another possiblity for why Dooku didn't kill Obi-Wan. He was surprised by Anakin's power in the fight and realized that killing Obi-Wan in front of him, as well as having the desired effect of severing his ties to the Jedi, might also send him into a Dark Side-fuelled killing rage that would outmatch him.
I have always wondered about this moment. In the end, it likely was Dooku's great ego that would not have him become a turncoat (again), in the favor of a Republic, Senate and Jedi Council he despised.
honestly love the idea that dooku got one over on sidious (and anakin) even in death just by letting obi wan live and "depriving sidious of his prized pupil", as maul put it
Even if dooku spills everything to anakin and reveals the sith grand plan I highly doubt anakin would believe dooku for two reasons 1: for what dooku did to anakin on geonosis at the beginning of the clone wars by removing anakin's arm 2: anakin sees palpatine as a mentor and a friend (as said in the revenge of sith film when obi wan told anakin that the council has asked anakin to spy on the chancellor) and even if anakin believed dooku it would of taken a long time for dooku to earn anakin's forgiveness (if anakin understands first)
Yeah if I were Dooku, when Palpatine said “kill him, kill him now.” I woulda been like “YO!!! HES A SITH!!! HES A SITH!!! HE TRIED TO KILL PADME!!! IT WAS ALL HIM!!!” 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I don’t think Dooku was in enough of a shock to keep him from taking but his understanding that by the series of decisions he had made that led to this moment, his knocking out Obi-Wan prevented Kenobi from stopping Anakin in killing him. The deaths of so many people and Jedi would’ve called for a public execution by the senate. I find especially at the beginning of his final duel to be the most intriguing. Anakin: “My powers have doubled since last count.” Dooku: “Good. Twice the pride, double the fall.” His words couldn’t have been more perfect for anyone else but himself. I think with everything he did he didn’t say anything because it went against his pride. He was a Count, a dark lord of the sith. Leader of the Separatist. He had great power and influence, he to the very end was a prideful man.
I find it weird that Christopher Lee understood Dooku better than George. I can´t even imagine someone with that voice beg for their life, it would just be unbecoming. I don´t see any sith doing it, except as part of a ploy, as with Sidious when he turned Anakin in the office.
Anakin is very hypocritical. Anakin killed Count Dooku, but when Mace was going to kill Sidious he said "he must stand trial" to which Mace replied "he has control of the Senate and the courts. He is too dangerous to be left alive"
I feel like Dookus biggest mistake was believing he was unexpendable to the sith plan. His ego letting him ignore that Sidious was grooming his replacement the whole time. Aside from the shock of being beaten and losing his hands I feel he had a moment of clarity at the end. All the evil things he had done in service of the dark side were to benefit Sidious and he would not enjoy the tainted fruits of his labor. In His final moment he came to see the dark side for what it truly is. A cancer that consumes all that it touches and he was just a puppet, not one of the people pulling on the strings.
I wonder if Dooku could come back as a force ghost? I mean it’s possible as even Darth Vader was redeemed and became one and personally I don’t think Dooku was as evil as Vader and had a moral compass.
Dooku was definitely not beyond redemption, as Vader was much further gone than Dooku ever was, but unlike Vader Dooku never took his opportunity for redemption at any point. Furthermore, I think it would actually be harder to redeem Dooku as he genuinely believed he was doing the right thing. He believed that the Jedi should become Sith because it was the best way forward for the Jedi to continue preserving peace in the galaxy. When someone believes they’re doing the right thing, it makes it much harder for them to admit they’re wrong.
@@flyingblasian1352 That, and for comparison Vader actually turned back to the light multiple minutes before he actually died. That gave Obi-Wan time to teach him how to do this. Meanwhile, Dooku's head was off his body less than a minute after his hands came off; I doubt he was capable of learning a new Force technique that quickly even if he HAD gone back to the light.
@@flyingblasian1352 But was he wrong? Like I mean palpatine was pure evil there is no doubt about that, But I feel that Dooku was more chaotic neutral. I reckon if things had turned out differently his way would have worked. Picture this if you will: Obi-wan actually listens to Dooku in the attack of the clones and he informs the Jedi. Then the Jedi organise the major council members into task forces and Dooku happens to put the most dogmatic ones in the first group ( Yoda, Windu and ki adi mundi) and they all die trying to kill Emps and then when his tired from that wave, Dooku, Anikan and Obi-wan come in and finish him off. With the hierarchy in disarray, they elect Dooku as the new grand master who reforms the Jedi into his image.
Mr.Wave I am curious as to why Dooku allowed himself to be completely deceived by Sidious. He did know just how deceitful the sith are and the true nature of his master but chose to be willfully ignorant to what he knew deep down inside.Why did he choose to allow himself to be so easily tricked when he understood all that he risked.
I don't think "completely deceived" does this justice. Palpatine told Dooku 99.95% of his plans in their entirety, only leaving out the one betrayal detail. Dooku was likely the only person to ever be this close to Palpatine's true self, and on top of this, Dooku was also undoubtedly the smartest and most capable companion Palpatine had ever had as well. All of this, and Dooku's pride in his own value, made the betrayal even harder to see coming.
Holy shit, I've been looking Dooku videos for the past days and wondering why nobody made a video about Dooku not exposing Palpatine as Darth Sidious. The Stupendous Wave probably can read my mind because of the force lol.
Palpatine would have just killed both of them if Anakin let Dooku speak and Anakin believed him. At that point, there was now way Anakin could have fought against Palpatine. He would have been too confused and his powers weren’t as strong compared to when he became Vader, and even then he couldn’t beat Palpatine yet. Dooku was incapacitated so he’s just dead weight, and Obi-Wan was already unconscious. There was no way for anyone to win. Palpatine could have just lied to the Council and Senate and said that Obi Wan and Anakin sacrificed their lives, died fighting Dooku and both Dooku and Anakin killed eachother with their final blows. And both him and Grievous found a way to escape the CIS Flagship Cruiser using escape pods
I never wondered why he didn't tell. I always knew how brilliant Sidious was in his manipulations. Only he could make a man think, even as his head is about to be chopped off, that it will all work out.
Even though tis flat impossible, It would've been kind of cool if Dooku sensed his death coming and suspected a possible betrayal, hence why he spared Obi-Wan, knowing that it'd throw a wrench in the Emperor's future plans. Alas that wasn't the case and it was mostly a lingering bit of affection for Qui-Gon that probably caused him to spare Obi-Wan. It's something I like about Dooku's character, even as far into the darkness as he's fallen, there was still one tiny little spark of goodness, warped as it was, within him.
Dooku thought he was using Palpatine to consolidate the galaxy, where then Dooku would take it over and be it's benevolent emperor. Dooku needed Obi-Wan for this, to bridge the gap and hopefully gain the Jedi's support in his rule.
Whenever I rationalize a franchise I think of how a character should play out their feelings or their agendas based on their personalities and attachments. I always thought Dooku had a thing against Anakin because he was a bit too prideful in the sense that he was a bit counter to what he envisioned the Jedi to be, a bit more humble at least. When I saw the video that explained how Dooku saw himself in Anakin I started thinking maybe Dooku wasn't all that keen on Anakin turning and felt more responsible than towards Obi-Wan and he just didn't want to show it, maybe he hoped Kenobi would keep Anakin from turning or that he would ease him into it. Palpatine has a way of throughly corrupting his students, maybe Dooku foresaw that.
Dooku overestimated his own importance and he underestimated the true deception of his master. He was never anything more than a pawn, a temporary substitute, and a patsy. Intelligent and politcally minded as Dooku was he simply was not on the same level as Sidious in terms of duplicity, conspiracy, and manipulation. Sidious played Dooku for a fool and tricked him into believing they were in on the entire plan together on equal footing and by sharing all these facts and plans with Dooku the former Jedi Master was so deeply entangled in the web of the Sith w/o even realizing it... until Palpatine told Anakin to kill him In that brief moment, Dooku was shocked, horrified, and utterly stunned, for not just the losing of his hands and being bested by Anakin but by that ultimate realization that his master had deceived him from the very beginning, as Yaddle had warned him, and that all he had worked, fought, betrayed and killed for was for nothing. Then the denial set in, Dooku foolishly thinking that this was still part of the plan, that there was yet a chance he would be spared and believed that in spite of what he had just heard from his master's mouth that the Dark Lord and Master of the Sith would intervene somehow and save him He was wrong As for the rest of the plan, Dookue, as you said, held a sincere affection of sorts for Obi-wan, who was a living memory of his old padawan Qui-gon Jinn, thus Obi-wan was the closest thing Dooku had to a grandson of sorts. The plan was for him to kill Obi-wan in order to cut Anakin off further from the Light but Dooku's sentimentality swayed him to incapacitate Obi-wan instead. Had he gone through with the plan and killed Obi-wan... I too can't be sure whether Palpatine would have intervened on his behalf or still would have goaded Anakin to kill Dooku. Say that he did, I _don't_ think Palpatine would have kept his promises to Dooku in making Grievous the "mastermind" behind the Separatist alliance; I think Sidious would have still made Dooku the patsy and Dooku would still have been killed some way or other, maybe even in a public execution to vilify Dooku to the end while giving the Republic "justice" Even had Dooku managed to find the nerve to say something in that moment there was no guarantee he would come out of it alive. Anakin would have either refused to believe him and kill him anyway, Palpatine would have stroked Anakin's ego to push him into it, or just maybe Dooku might have at least managed to convince anakin to spare him and perhaps buy more time for himself I dunno, but Palpatine was a master planner and manipulator. There was a chance he'd have had a plan in case Dooku dared to say anything
Hayden is not given enough credit for the conflict he shows in the face of Anakin. It wasn't until years later we understood what the Jedi were and how Hayden and Ewan encapsulated that better than we knew.
If dooku groveled and palpatine said “do it” it would’ve showed that anakin was the dog of the sith a lil too early imo. It’s something I wanted to see but that would’ve taken away from the character shift he had once mace went free diving
It took me a second but I think it’s because dooku believes in honor and not throwing cheap shots if it can help him it’s because he accepted the outcome and he wasn’t going to go against the rightful duelist.
What happened to anakin's arm after dooku cut it off on geonosis? Was it discarded or did sideous take it to maybe clone anakin? Just like luke's hand was used.
This is insane how these events could’ve played out if Dooku would’ve jus killed Obi Wan and pushed Anakin to his limits like it was planned his vision for a reformed order would have came to pass like Dooku always wanted if he done like Palpatine instructed him to do “specifically” this very much would have ultimately prevented Darth Vader from losing to the High Ground, in return Anakin would have remained in his Full Potential jus as Palpatine always wanted then he wouldn’t have had fight Obi Wan on Mustafar if Dooku killed him on Grievous’s starship Anakin would have never lost to the High Ground or had to fight Obi Wan if Dooku had killed him first these alternatives could’ve played out very differently if Dooku had done what he was told to do thats why Palpatine kept urging Anakin to leave Obi Wan behind because he always knew was always going to be future threat in Sidious’s plans for the Chosen One, Yoda was sometimes the least of Palpatines but it was really Obi Wan who was arguably the greater threat if it had been Darth Maul instead of Dooku Maul would have never hesitated to kill Kenobi unlike Dooku
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I’m curious to know if any of the high ranking officials of the Empire that new palpatine was a sith also knew if he played both sides during the clones wars? I’d be interested in that video.
One thing it makes me wonder how easilly he could trick Anakin and turn him into dark side i mean Anakin sure loved to become a Jedi Knight but couldn't he just wait a little more to get what he wanted?🤔
Never underestimate the power of flattery. Palpatine spent years gassing Anakin up to believe that he was the most talented Jedi in the order and that the council members envied his abilities enough to intentionally hold him back.
Do you mean could Anakin defeat Palps? If so it depends it Anakin believes Dooku. But lets say he did. At that point, I doubt Anakin could best Palps, though his rage boost at the betrayal would certainly force Palps to go all out against him, but Anakin would already have been fairly worn out from fighting Dooku. A more interesting outcome would be if Dooku had revealed the truth just before losing his hands, then its possible that Anakin and Dooku working together might be able to pull off a narrow win, or at the bare minimum force Palps to flee. Weirdly I think Anakin and Dooku would make a pretty effective duo given how familiar they are with oneanother's fighting style.
“Do it” “Wait wait Palpatine is the Sith Lord, he’s the one who started the war and he’s using the emergency powers given to him to create an Empire and to destroy the Jedi” “Fuck.” *WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY GEORGE LUCAS*
He did. He most likely believed Anakin would be used as a Sith assassin, like Maul and Ventress. While the rule of 2 exists, both master and apprentice are allowed their own semi-apprentice, it's why Plagueis allowed Palpatine to train Maul and why Palpatine allowed Dooku to train Ventress. However these dark side users are never allowed to know enough about the Dark Side so that they can overpower the two Sith Lords, which was why Palpatine forced Dooku to kill Ventress, he believed Dooku was training her to kill him (Which he was right in believing)
I have no doubt Palpatine would've axed Dooku one way or another at the end of the Clone Wars. He would've gotten Anakine to turn and at that moment gotten rid of Dooku, likely by sending Anakin to take his revenge on the former Jedi. Palpatine needed to keep Dooku from spilling the blue milk about who he really was, and he was set on making Anakin his new favorite toy.
This makes sense. Dooku couldnt kill Obi-Wan. He was his grandson. And loved him. That's why. Sidious would kill Dooku anyway. Dooku should have yell: He's the Sith Lord. Sir Christopher was right to change scene. It was much darker. So they choose this one. This is perfect too. May the Force be with you :) See you at the next holocron
Ponder this....what if Anakin had learned to control and use his rage ad Vader later did.......now imagine starwars after Anakin killed him and possessed this ability....
Dooku could have ruled the galaxy, if he betrayed sidious first, send the jedi all the information on sidious, keep ventress by his side, maybe ally with mother talzin. Overrun the republic with the numerical superior Droid army.
C’est un peu impressionnant si il explique la logique du grand Master Yoda pour tout le monde moi je comprends beaucoup les autres, il veut comprendre étudie le grand Master t’es toutes les films il ne te pas mon point de vue
I guarantee if their positions were switched Sidious wouldn’t hesitate to throw Dooku under the bus As fallen as he was, the Count was still more honorable than the Dark Lord. Edit: also it doesn’t make much sense to kill Obi Wan and then expect Anakin to take you prisoner (based on what, his Jedi code?). I think Sidious was actually hoping to get rid of both Obi Wan and Dooku with one stone
I think part of the reason why Dooku didn't let the cat out of the bad just before his death was because he really didn't like Anakin. A dislike can be very strong.
I always interpreted that Dooku was too stunned, gut shot to say anything. We often don't realize how paralyzed a mind can be with fear in the moment of imminent death. He never thought a true noble gentleman like him could go out like that. He was probably still hamster-wheeling it all when his head left his shoulders.
He got played.
He also got his hands cut off so he was probably in immense pain on top of that
@@InsaneCopePosse Yep. Shock emotional and physical
I think he was surprised that Sidious told Anakin to kill him
Absolutely. Surprise and pain are much more distracting than one might think, even for someone as cunning as Darth Tyranus (the fact that he was out-gambited despite his cunning probably also played into your aforementioned hamster-wheeling). The saying goes, "You didn't lose because you were dumb, you lost because you're human" (though, I imagine it also applies to Wookies, Rodians and other species besides Vulcans, heh heh).
Palpatine was a close friend of Anakin, who Dooku and Grievous abducted the same day. Dooku knew that accusing him of being his master and co-orchestrator of the Clone Wars would only piss off Anakin even more. Anakin would not believe it anyway, no more than Obi-Wan believed Dooku when he said the Republic was under the control of Darth Sidious.
If i was Dooku i would’ve snitched like a prisoner who just got offered McDonalds im ngl.
BIG facts
My loyalty would have died the moment he said, "Kill him."
@@Warrior-Of-Virtue would’ve started telling them two his complete life story
Abso-lutely
Have some standars! KFC or death.
In an interview just prior to his death, Christopher Lee said the original scene was much darker. During their duel, Dooku taunted Anakin that Dooku had hired the Sand People to kidnap, torture, and kill Anakin's mother. According to Lee, after Anakin "disarms" Dooku, Dooku was trying to tell Anakin that Dooku did this at his Master's behest, identifying Palpatine as the Sith Master. At that point, Palpatine "orders" Anakin to kill Dooku with the great "Do it." They thought the original scene was too dark to open the movie with, so they went with what we ended up with. I think the original scene would show what a master planner Palpatine was, it was just another step on the way to the fall of Anakin.
But wouldn't identifying Palpatine as the one responsible in Anakin's mother's death counterproductive? Sure it'll make Anakin more likely to go to the darkside but he'll also just turn on Sidious immediately.
@@JeffCJY Yep, which is why Palpatine told Anakin to kill Dooku right away.
Dooku telling Anakin he was responsible for the death of his mother, would have drastically lowered the chance of him getting captured alive.
I personally think Palpatine and/or Dooku being responsible for Shimi's demise is a good idea as you could say they utilized Sith arts to convince the Sand People they must kill Shimi (as hiring them to do the deed doesn't fit with what we know about the Sans People & by having them be manipulated would have made the Sand People victims of the Sith! Palpatine being responsible for Shimi's death fits with his personality & her death would drive Anakin towards the Dark Side! You could still have Anakin kill Dooku & have him refuse to believe Dooku's claims as a lie to get him to murder the Chancellor! Anakin chooses to trust Palpatine & even after he reveals he is a Dark Lord, he assures Anakin that Dooku had Shimi killed to distract him as Dooku planned to corrupt Obi-Wan to overthrow Sidious, but he failed & Palpatine uses the opportunity to convince Anakin that he can not only help save Padme but also resurrect his mother! It could still work due to Anakin viewing Palpatine as a father figure (along with the suggestion that Sidious is responsible for Shimi's virgin pregnancy through his manipulation of the Force, either by himself or with the aid of his late master)! Also, maybe have Darth Vader one day realize Dooku was telling the truth, that Palpatine was ultimately responsible for Shimi's death (possibility before Empire Strikes Back, thus explaining his desire to convince Luke to join him in taking down The Emperor, as he believes with Luke at his side they can destroy The Emperor)! My reasoning for why I think Anakin wouldn't try to kill Palpatine after Dooku reveals his role in Shimi's death is the same reason Pre-Mustafar Vader killed the Seperatist leadership which provided further evidence Palpatine had been playing both sides of the war (himself as Republic Chancellor & Dooku's involvement with the Seperatist leadership)! To me, I think Vader did realize Sidious was behind the war or at least suspected it, or Palpatine convinced him the war was the result of Dooku's desire to kill Palpatine as per the Rule of Two & that Palpatine himself wanted to bring order to the galaxy, with Anakin again trusting Palpatine as he desperately wanted to save Padme (along with the possibility of bringing back his mother)! Personally, I don't think Anakin was an idiot & would have likely realized Palpatine had some connections to the Seperatists or was responsible for the Clone Wars either with Dooku initially or throughout, though after falling to the Dark Side, Anakin always planned to overthrow Palpatine once he learned the secrets of the Dark Side, with him simply accepting the Sith Grand Plan & Chosen One prophecy were linked & that he would bring balance by killing Palpatine & ruling over the Galactic Empire (possibly even exposing Palpatine's complicity, while making himself out to be a war hero who brought order to the galaxy)! Unfortunately, Vader's plans never came to pass as he failed to recognize that Padme would never accept such methods & he became convinced Obi-Wan had turned her against him when in reality, he failed to recognize she loved Anakin & the light within him, not the Vader who embraced the Dark Side! After being crippled by Obi-Wan, Vader, who was conflicted as the Dark Side, cost him his wife & he was left crippled in a suit that made him vulnerable while at the same time increasing his strength due to the pain it caused him, & left him a virtual slave to Emperor Palpatine, with only the discovery of Luke's existence giving him hope that together father & son could kill Palpatine & truly bring an end to the destructive conflict of the Galactic Civil War (with Vader being sincere when he asked Luke to join him)! I personally like the idea that Vader saw himself as someone who could bring order to the galaxy (viewing the manipulative Palpatine as the source of said conflict, which, along with him hating he was subservient to the person whom Vader once saw as a father figure, yet was actually the one responsible for Padme's death as it was Anakin's fall to the Dark Side that lead to her death, with Vader seeing himself as too far gone to be redeemed & too angry at himself for allowing himself to be manipulated)! Anakin/ Vader is supposed to be a tragic character. Thus, Palpatine being responsible for Shimi's death adds upon to said tragedy by having Vader subservient to the man responsible for organizing his mother's demise, and the one thing he hated being, a slave to both Palpatine & the Dark Side! With Luke giving him hope, he might free himself & avenge their family by killing Palpatine (with Vader either planning to rule the Empire alongside Luke or have Luke kill him for his role in Padme's death & possibly the torture he caused his daughter onboard the Death Star while unaware her true identity, with him molding Luke to either succeed him along the lines of the Rule of Two or leave it up to Luke & Leia to determine which path they would follow)! Thus, Shimi's death being orchestrated by Palpatine has a lot of potential for storylines & could have been used to make Vader into a more nuisanced villain, who hated himself for being manipulated & played by a man he once trusted! Who cares if it makes the story darker as that's kind of the point as RotS is about Anakin's fall to the Dark Side & becoming the iconic cyborg & Lord of the Sith Darth Vader)! Its silly that was their reason for omitting it!
Problem is that scenario doesn't make sense; the novelization of Attack of the Clones details the Sand People's abduction of Shmi Skywalker and their defeating the locals attempt to rescue her.
What would snitching have accomplished?
Dooku is a Sith Lord; treachery is their bread and butter, and the Jedi know this. He has no evidence on hand (too soon?), is facing down two people that actively want him killed, he himself knocked out the only person that could talk sense into Skywalker (hell, Obi-Wan's being conscious might've shut Palpatine up outright), and even IF any of the previous points went his way he would be in Republic custody, which in very short order would end in his death anyway. Dooku's number was up, plain and simple. And he knew it.
Dooku considered himself a gentleman above all else. And gentlemen go out with dignity.
If obi wan was awake Palpatine definitely wouldn't have told Anakin to kill Dooku. Obi wan would have stepped in anyway
@@GoldenJaguar-xy3gn Well the plan was to Kill Obie, lose to Anakin, become a political prisoner, He had no desire to kill Obie so he knocked him unconscious, but the plan went like clockwork until the final 3 seconds, dying wasn't on the agenda.
You'd think he would at least have tried to bargain, though. "Kill me and you'll never learn the true identity of Sidious." He could at least stall for time until Obi-Wan woke up from his snooze.
@@The_Mighty_Fiction Wasn't time, he looked at Palpatine and Got Scissors, not to mention using the force to numb his hands going the way of the dinosaurs .
Dooku probably couldn't even form a sentence at that point while seeing his death.
In the actual film it looked like Dooku was gonna say something when his lips moved a bit right before the screen moved. It could’ve just been accidental by the actor. But at the same time Dooku probably realized even if he said something it wouldn’t change his fate.
Anakin and Obi-Wan probably wouldn’t have even believed him
@@ramirz00 Anakin definitely no! But Obi-Wan might actually have because of their little chat on Geonosis.
I think Dooku could "feel" the betrayal of Sidious as he used Battle Mediation to withdraw Dark Force support for Dooku, giving it to Anakin to win the duel. In one the books, Thrawn did an analysis on the Battle of Endor, and how ineffective the Empire's forces became after Palpatine's death, showing the loss of Battle mediation effecting the troops.
Obi-Wan was unconscius when Anakin fought Dooku.
We are told how great of strategist. how great of warrior Anakin and how smart he was and during the Clone Wars. The killing of Dooku at the hands Anakin showed how short side and stupid he was at that very moment. Dooku was the enemy, separatist leader and Sith Lord. The information Dooku had would or could have ended the war. No amount of manipulation by Palpatine should have worked at that moment. People wonder, why Windu didn't want him trained as a Jedi or Anakin to accompany him to Palpatine office! He was hothead who when he got hothead, he really didn't think things out.
Well said Mace sensed his short comings from the gate!!! And given how things played out Mace was right!
Anakin literally hated Dooku, he spanked his butt quite a few times and took his hand. The "Do it" was just the icing on top. If it was anyone else other than Dooku he probably wouldn't have given in.
@Golden Jaguar1977 Yea because they neglectfully gave a child with more midichlorians than Yoda to an Padawan who had never trained anyone else before, as opposed to Mace or Yoda deciding to even have a passing interest in the chosen one. No Maces problem is he believed he was the chosen one and he was wrong so he acted like a little girl instead of doing the right thing and training Anakin himself.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 your emotional response is juvenile. Sounds like you a Anakin fanboy. Logic and rational confirm the truth not emotions. Sorry bud but Anakin was a total Simp and emotional unstable person. And it ran in his family. Mace didn't need to be the chosen one he was gifted enough
Rip mace, yoda, and obi wan fuck vader
Interesting, as always.
My head canon sways to either:
(1) Dooku was too traumatized by pain, and shocked that he had been beaten in this way; or,
(2) He did not want to face the humiliation of incarceration, interrogation, trial, and execution without his hands; being quickly executed by the one who had beaten him conformed more to his aristocratic self-image.
Thank you for all your work for we SW fans.
In my opinion I don’t think it would’ve mattered rather if Dooku succeeded as planned he was never really meant to be kept as a permanent apprentice @StupendousWave honestly this video finally makes sense of Dooku’s plan for the Empire
There's a reason that Palpatine was the Master and Dooku the apprentice. I always took it as Dooku simply accepting has fate, and the fact that if his master had decided it was time for him to die, there was nothing to be done about it. Though, he did have a look on his face that made it seem like he had some hope the Jedi side of the Chosen One would win out and he might yet be spared.
Dooku knew the Republic was corrupt beyond repair. He knew he had been used and betrayed yet accepted his role in remaking the galaxy. He knew it was too late. Even if he said something.
What sticks out to me as strange about Dooku is that in the Clone Wars, without exactly saying "Rule of Two" he seems to understand the rule to be in effect with Palpatine. He trained Ventress and was ordered to kill her to show loyalty (preserving the rule as well), he then tries to recruit Savage with the intent of destorying Palp and ruling together which fails spectatularly. But when it comes to Anakin being recruited by Palp, it's like suddenly Dooku doesn't realize that the Rule of Two would mean that if Anakin is swayed to become Palp's new apprentice, Dooku would likely be dead. So I guess for me, Dooku's handling of the Rule doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm perhaps unaware of this issue being addressed somewhere in canon or extended, but surely Dooku could'nt have believed that the best case scenario would end up with him, Palp and Ani ruling together.
It's kind of funny how every sith thinks they are somehow above the rule of two
Maybe he thought that Anakin would be his apprentice, or that he himself would be promoted and take on his own. I mean, they can't _always_ kill each other, surely otherwise there'd only _be_ two Sith at a time.
With this idea in mind, though, I wonder if maybe Palpatine had his eye on Obi-wan in 'The Phantom Menace.' After all, Qui-Gon says he is a little headstrong then and Maul follows the same strategy of killing Obi-wan's master in front of him.
It's possible Palpatine never told him Anakin was going to be his new apprentice, more just a Sith assassin like Ventress. Or Dooku had his own plan to make Anakin his apprentice and overthrow Palpatine
He's A idealistic fool. You could break down dooku's goal of trying to recreate the brotherhood of darkness.
Another possiblity for why Dooku didn't kill Obi-Wan. He was surprised by Anakin's power in the fight and realized that killing Obi-Wan in front of him, as well as having the desired effect of severing his ties to the Jedi, might also send him into a Dark Side-fuelled killing rage that would outmatch him.
I have always wondered about this moment. In the end, it likely was Dooku's great ego that would not have him become a turncoat (again), in the favor of a Republic, Senate and Jedi Council he despised.
honestly love the idea that dooku got one over on sidious (and anakin) even in death just by letting obi wan live and "depriving sidious of his prized pupil", as maul put it
Even if dooku spills everything to anakin and reveals the sith grand plan I highly doubt anakin would believe dooku for two reasons
1: for what dooku did to anakin on geonosis at the beginning of the clone wars by removing anakin's arm
2: anakin sees palpatine as a mentor and a friend (as said in the revenge of sith film when obi wan told anakin that the council has asked anakin to spy on the chancellor) and even if anakin believed dooku it would of taken a long time for dooku to earn anakin's forgiveness (if anakin understands first)
Yeah if I were Dooku, when Palpatine said “kill him, kill him now.” I woulda been like “YO!!! HES A SITH!!! HES A SITH!!! HE TRIED TO KILL PADME!!! IT WAS ALL HIM!!!” 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
My loyalty would have died when Palpatine told Mual through hologram he could kill Dooku and Grievous when they were captured in the canon book.
I don’t think Dooku was in enough of a shock to keep him from taking but his understanding that by the series of decisions he had made that led to this moment, his knocking out Obi-Wan prevented Kenobi from stopping Anakin in killing him. The deaths of so many people and Jedi would’ve called for a public execution by the senate. I find especially at the beginning of his final duel to be the most intriguing.
Anakin: “My powers have doubled since last count.”
Dooku: “Good. Twice the pride, double the fall.”
His words couldn’t have been more perfect for anyone else but himself. I think with everything he did he didn’t say anything because it went against his pride. He was a Count, a dark lord of the sith. Leader of the Separatist. He had great power and influence, he to the very end was a prideful man.
Fun fact: Plo Koon is older than count dooku
I find it weird that Christopher Lee understood Dooku better than George. I can´t even imagine someone with that voice beg for their life, it would just be unbecoming. I don´t see any sith doing it, except as part of a ploy, as with Sidious when he turned Anakin in the office.
I agree
Anakin is very hypocritical. Anakin killed Count Dooku, but when Mace was going to kill Sidious he said "he must stand trial" to which Mace replied "he has control of the Senate and the courts. He is too dangerous to be left alive"
Rumor has it Dooku messed his slacks the second Anakin put the lightsabers across his neck.
RIP Dooku
I don't think Anakin wouldn't believe him.
Top shelf as usual brother 🤙
I feel like Dookus biggest mistake was believing he was unexpendable to the sith plan. His ego letting him ignore that Sidious was grooming his replacement the whole time. Aside from the shock of being beaten and losing his hands I feel he had a moment of clarity at the end. All the evil things he had done in service of the dark side were to benefit Sidious and he would not enjoy the tainted fruits of his labor. In His final moment he came to see the dark side for what it truly is. A cancer that consumes all that it touches and he was just a puppet, not one of the people pulling on the strings.
I wonder if Dooku could come back as a force ghost? I mean it’s possible as even Darth Vader was redeemed and became one and personally I don’t think Dooku was as evil as Vader and had a moral compass.
Dooku was definitely not beyond redemption, as Vader was much further gone than Dooku ever was, but unlike Vader Dooku never took his opportunity for redemption at any point.
Furthermore, I think it would actually be harder to redeem Dooku as he genuinely believed he was doing the right thing. He believed that the Jedi should become Sith because it was the best way forward for the Jedi to continue preserving peace in the galaxy. When someone believes they’re doing the right thing, it makes it much harder for them to admit they’re wrong.
@@flyingblasian1352 That, and for comparison Vader actually turned back to the light multiple minutes before he actually died. That gave Obi-Wan time to teach him how to do this. Meanwhile, Dooku's head was off his body less than a minute after his hands came off; I doubt he was capable of learning a new Force technique that quickly even if he HAD gone back to the light.
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But was he wrong?
Like I mean palpatine was pure evil there is no doubt about that, But I feel that Dooku was more chaotic neutral. I reckon if things had turned out differently his way would have worked.
Picture this if you will:
Obi-wan actually listens to Dooku in the attack of the clones and he informs the Jedi. Then the Jedi organise the major council members into task forces and Dooku happens to put the most dogmatic ones in the first group ( Yoda, Windu and ki adi mundi) and they all die trying to kill Emps and then when his tired from that wave, Dooku, Anikan and Obi-wan come in and finish him off.
With the hierarchy in disarray, they elect Dooku as the new grand master who reforms the Jedi into his image.
Mr.Wave I am curious as to why Dooku allowed himself to be completely deceived by Sidious.
He did know just how deceitful the sith are and the true nature of his master but chose to be willfully ignorant to what he knew deep down inside.Why did he choose to allow himself to be so easily tricked when he understood all that he risked.
I don't think "completely deceived" does this justice. Palpatine told Dooku 99.95% of his plans in their entirety, only leaving out the one betrayal detail. Dooku was likely the only person to ever be this close to Palpatine's true self, and on top of this, Dooku was also undoubtedly the smartest and most capable companion Palpatine had ever had as well. All of this, and Dooku's pride in his own value, made the betrayal even harder to see coming.
Dooku was too honorable to snitch , like some commoner .
Holy shit, I've been looking Dooku videos for the past days and wondering why nobody made a video about Dooku not exposing Palpatine as Darth Sidious.
The Stupendous Wave probably can read my mind because of the force lol.
Palpatine would have just killed both of them if Anakin let Dooku speak and Anakin believed him. At that point, there was now way Anakin could have fought against Palpatine. He would have been too confused and his powers weren’t as strong compared to when he became Vader, and even then he couldn’t beat Palpatine yet. Dooku was incapacitated so he’s just dead weight, and Obi-Wan was already unconscious. There was no way for anyone to win. Palpatine could have just lied to the Council and Senate and said that Obi Wan and Anakin sacrificed their lives, died fighting Dooku and both Dooku and Anakin killed eachother with their final blows. And both him and Grievous found a way to escape the CIS Flagship Cruiser using escape pods
Great video. I always just kind of assumed that Dooku decided to remain loyal to the cause of the Sith to the very end
Most people miss the fact that he's holding red and blue lightsabers across each other, indicating a crossroads.
Simply put Dooku a real one
Awwwe how sweet 😋 Dooku is a big softie after all!😉😊😍😂
I never wondered why he didn't tell. I always knew how brilliant Sidious was in his manipulations. Only he could make a man think, even as his head is about to be chopped off, that it will all work out.
Good work!
Very good question indeed! I never noticed Sidious expression when Obi Wan didn't die...
Even though tis flat impossible, It would've been kind of cool if Dooku sensed his death coming and suspected a possible betrayal, hence why he spared Obi-Wan, knowing that it'd throw a wrench in the Emperor's future plans. Alas that wasn't the case and it was mostly a lingering bit of affection for Qui-Gon that probably caused him to spare Obi-Wan. It's something I like about Dooku's character, even as far into the darkness as he's fallen, there was still one tiny little spark of goodness, warped as it was, within him.
Yo, that’s the Sith Master sitting right there 🤣🤣🤣
I love how complex of a character count dooku is
I think I’ve heard someone say sidious held his tongue with the force and that’s why it looks like he’s trying to speak but can’t
Dooku thought he was using Palpatine to consolidate the galaxy, where then Dooku would take it over and be it's benevolent emperor. Dooku needed Obi-Wan for this, to bridge the gap and hopefully gain the Jedi's support in his rule.
@5:07-5:20 mark…
He (Doku) apparently didn’t give Jedi knight /master Tipp Le that memo. She REALLY could’ve used it lol.
Loved this.
Whenever I rationalize a franchise I think of how a character should play out their feelings or their agendas based on their personalities and attachments.
I always thought Dooku had a thing against Anakin because he was a bit too prideful in the sense that he was a bit counter to what he envisioned the Jedi to be, a bit more humble at least.
When I saw the video that explained how Dooku saw himself in Anakin I started thinking maybe Dooku wasn't all that keen on Anakin turning and felt more responsible than towards Obi-Wan and he just didn't want to show it, maybe he hoped Kenobi would keep Anakin from turning or that he would ease him into it. Palpatine has a way of throughly corrupting his students, maybe Dooku foresaw that.
Dooku did view Kenobi as his Jedi grandson- through Qui-Gon
Dooku should have ate that Italian beef and Pepsi 😭😂
Dooku overestimated his own importance and he underestimated the true deception of his master. He was never anything more than a pawn, a temporary substitute, and a patsy. Intelligent and politcally minded as Dooku was he simply was not on the same level as Sidious in terms of duplicity, conspiracy, and manipulation. Sidious played Dooku for a fool and tricked him into believing they were in on the entire plan together on equal footing and by sharing all these facts and plans with Dooku the former Jedi Master was so deeply entangled in the web of the Sith w/o even realizing it... until Palpatine told Anakin to kill him
In that brief moment, Dooku was shocked, horrified, and utterly stunned, for not just the losing of his hands and being bested by Anakin but by that ultimate realization that his master had deceived him from the very beginning, as Yaddle had warned him, and that all he had worked, fought, betrayed and killed for was for nothing. Then the denial set in, Dooku foolishly thinking that this was still part of the plan, that there was yet a chance he would be spared and believed that in spite of what he had just heard from his master's mouth that the Dark Lord and Master of the Sith would intervene somehow and save him
He was wrong
As for the rest of the plan, Dookue, as you said, held a sincere affection of sorts for Obi-wan, who was a living memory of his old padawan Qui-gon Jinn, thus Obi-wan was the closest thing Dooku had to a grandson of sorts. The plan was for him to kill Obi-wan in order to cut Anakin off further from the Light but Dooku's sentimentality swayed him to incapacitate Obi-wan instead.
Had he gone through with the plan and killed Obi-wan... I too can't be sure whether Palpatine would have intervened on his behalf or still would have goaded Anakin to kill Dooku. Say that he did, I _don't_ think Palpatine would have kept his promises to Dooku in making Grievous the "mastermind" behind the Separatist alliance; I think Sidious would have still made Dooku the patsy and Dooku would still have been killed some way or other, maybe even in a public execution to vilify Dooku to the end while giving the Republic "justice"
Even had Dooku managed to find the nerve to say something in that moment there was no guarantee he would come out of it alive. Anakin would have either refused to believe him and kill him anyway, Palpatine would have stroked Anakin's ego to push him into it, or just maybe Dooku might have at least managed to convince anakin to spare him and perhaps buy more time for himself
I dunno, but Palpatine was a master planner and manipulator. There was a chance he'd have had a plan in case Dooku dared to say anything
In TOTJ Sidious says all of Dooku’s crimes are for a greater good. Dooku bought into this hook line and sinker.
Christopher Lee was right about Dooku, him begging for his life is out of characters he's too dignified.
I think another reason Dooku didn't kill Obi wan was that Qui-gon trained him - same with ep2
If he would have snitched on palpi there would be no New Hope movie
Hayden is not given enough credit for the conflict he shows in the face of Anakin. It wasn't until years later we understood what the Jedi were and how Hayden and Ewan encapsulated that better than we knew.
If dooku groveled and palpatine said “do it” it would’ve showed that anakin was the dog of the sith a lil too early imo. It’s something I wanted to see but that would’ve taken away from the character shift he had once mace went free diving
It took me a second but I think it’s because dooku believes in honor and not throwing cheap shots if it can help him it’s because he accepted the outcome and he wasn’t going to go against the rightful duelist.
What happened to anakin's arm after dooku cut it off on geonosis? Was it discarded or did sideous take it to maybe clone anakin? Just like luke's hand was used.
This is insane how these events could’ve played out if Dooku would’ve jus killed Obi Wan and pushed Anakin to his limits like it was planned his vision for a reformed order would have came to pass like Dooku always wanted if he done like Palpatine instructed him to do “specifically” this very much would have ultimately prevented Darth Vader from losing to the High Ground, in return Anakin would have remained in his Full Potential jus as Palpatine always wanted then he wouldn’t have had fight Obi Wan on Mustafar if Dooku killed him on Grievous’s starship Anakin would have never lost to the High Ground or had to fight Obi Wan if Dooku had killed him first these alternatives could’ve played out very differently if Dooku had done what he was told to do thats why Palpatine kept urging Anakin to leave Obi Wan behind because he always knew was always going to be future threat in Sidious’s plans for the Chosen One, Yoda was sometimes the least of Palpatines but it was really Obi Wan who was arguably the greater threat if it had been Darth Maul instead of Dooku Maul would have never hesitated to kill Kenobi unlike Dooku
I mean I'd be willing to do it, but I have no experience editing video or editing software in general. I'm a quick learner though. Unfortunately, my knees and hip have gotten pretty bad over the last 5 years and most physical work I can't do anymore, or at least not consistently long term. Need work like one of my roommates got. She's a software engineer or whatever and works from home. I don't necessarily need to work from home but something where I can at least sit part of the time would be nice. Thought I had that with Intel, but they got mad that I'd sit while the machine took 4 hours to pull down a line. They wanted us to stand because "you're not working if you're sitting." Meanwhile the foremen, the interns, visiting office personnel on the floor, contracted engineers, etc. would all be sitting in swivel roller chairs. Like there is literally nowhere I can make a living that won't make me completely immobile by the next day.
Hi there just wanted to say as noob to unleashing the power of the force myself your way of editing the video's content mixed with some explanations to why events occur will be missed ,
Hope you'll be back soon .
Hey Dooku?! Need a Hand?!
Amazing
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Is the position just editing for Stupendous? Or Marvelous as well?
Great video not only why doily didn’t speak but how anakin beat him.
I never noticed that before.
He couldn't DO IT 😂😂😂😂
I’m curious to know if any of the high ranking officials of the Empire that new palpatine was a sith also knew if he played both sides during the clones wars? I’d be interested in that video.
Tarkin and Thrawn knew
One thing it makes me wonder how easilly he could trick Anakin and turn him into dark side i mean Anakin sure loved to become a Jedi Knight but couldn't he just wait a little more to get what he wanted?🤔
In his mind he was on a time limit for losing padme and wanted power not now, but right now
Never underestimate the power of flattery. Palpatine spent years gassing Anakin up to believe that he was the most talented Jedi in the order and that the council members envied his abilities enough to intentionally hold him back.
I would like to know what would have been if OB1 and dooku would have teamed up
Here is a better question. Had Dooku revealed the truth, could Anikin have defeated him?
Do you mean could Anakin defeat Palps? If so it depends it Anakin believes Dooku. But lets say he did. At that point, I doubt Anakin could best Palps, though his rage boost at the betrayal would certainly force Palps to go all out against him, but Anakin would already have been fairly worn out from fighting Dooku. A more interesting outcome would be if Dooku had revealed the truth just before losing his hands, then its possible that Anakin and Dooku working together might be able to pull off a narrow win, or at the bare minimum force Palps to flee. Weirdly I think Anakin and Dooku would make a pretty effective duo given how familiar they are with oneanother's fighting style.
“Do it”
“Wait wait Palpatine is the Sith Lord, he’s the one who started the war and he’s using the emergency powers given to him to create an Empire and to destroy the Jedi”
“Fuck.”
*WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY GEORGE LUCAS*
What happened to duku’s light Sabre?
My question is how did Count Dooku not know about the rule of two?
He did. He most likely believed Anakin would be used as a Sith assassin, like Maul and Ventress. While the rule of 2 exists, both master and apprentice are allowed their own semi-apprentice, it's why Plagueis allowed Palpatine to train Maul and why Palpatine allowed Dooku to train Ventress. However these dark side users are never allowed to know enough about the Dark Side so that they can overpower the two Sith Lords, which was why Palpatine forced Dooku to kill Ventress, he believed Dooku was training her to kill him (Which he was right in believing)
too bad i know nothing about video editing but i do love star wars and i grow up with it!
Did Sidious have something to do with Anakins mothers death?
OK ça c’est un affaire de grand Master Yoda
I have no doubt Palpatine would've axed Dooku one way or another at the end of the Clone Wars. He would've gotten Anakine to turn and at that moment gotten rid of Dooku, likely by sending Anakin to take his revenge on the former Jedi. Palpatine needed to keep Dooku from spilling the blue milk about who he really was, and he was set on making Anakin his new favorite toy.
Because.. Lucas wouldn't make as much money if Dooku ratted him out.
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This makes sense. Dooku couldnt kill Obi-Wan. He was his grandson. And loved him. That's why. Sidious would kill Dooku anyway. Dooku should have yell: He's the Sith Lord. Sir Christopher was right to change scene. It was much darker. So they choose this one. This is perfect too. May the Force be with you :) See you at the next holocron
Ponder this....what if Anakin had learned to control and use his rage ad Vader later did.......now imagine starwars after Anakin killed him and possessed this ability....
Day 54 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
I thought Sidious force choked him in the voice box
Dooku could have ruled the galaxy, if he betrayed sidious first, send the jedi all the information on sidious, keep ventress by his side, maybe ally with mother talzin. Overrun the republic with the numerical superior Droid army.
Maybe he was just tired? Haha
C’est pas mal évident pour moi, j’ai donné une leçon à Anakin
C’est un peu impressionnant si il explique la logique du grand Master Yoda pour tout le monde moi je comprends beaucoup les autres, il veut comprendre étudie le grand Master t’es toutes les films il ne te pas mon point de vue
"Treachery is the way of the Sith."
Well its not like the Jedi would believe him anyway so outing him wouldn't do much. The Jedi were too arrogant
I don't know, they believed him when he told Obi Wan that the Sith had power in the Republic in AOC
I guarantee if their positions were switched Sidious wouldn’t hesitate to throw Dooku under the bus
As fallen as he was, the Count was still more honorable than the Dark Lord.
Edit: also it doesn’t make much sense to kill Obi Wan and then expect Anakin to take you prisoner (based on what, his Jedi code?). I think Sidious was actually hoping to get rid of both Obi Wan and Dooku with one stone
Why didn’t dooku kill palpatine when palpatine was strapped in the chair ?
Sidious would have just forced lighnting him to death and have anakin help either way
Why are you repeating yourself? Why are you repeating yourself? Why are you repeating yourself?
So in actuality if Dooku was serious Anakin probably wouldn’t have beat him? 🤔
I think part of the reason why Dooku didn't let the cat out of the bad just before his death was because he really didn't like Anakin. A dislike can be very strong.
Is there a reason he repeated things?
So the count was just an pure evil moron who did everything his master said just because he was an old man who smiled at him
He should have exposed Palpatine. It would have been funny.