Obi-Wan is the ultimate chess master. He sees a flaw and trains to fix it for the next time. His form is the practice of his behavior in the manner of patience. Hence the name the negotiator because negotiations take time and patience and understanding the motives of the other and planning how to counter.
This also plays into how Kenobi continued to win against Vader in the Obi wan series. He predicted the actions his old apprentice would take and used it against him.
This is Obi-Wan Kenobi... A phenomenal pilot who doesn't like to fly. A devastating warrior who would rather not fight. A negotiator without peer who would prefer to sit in a quiet cave meditating. Jedi Master. General in the Grand Army of the Republic. Member of the Jedi Council.
@@trevorhogen7761e true but he mainly picked up a weakness though ie plot device the breathing apparatus etc : remember he has the advantage as he’s his master would know his weakness .. but with the recent duel Vader was weakened as sidious said …
This is the reason why I think Obi-Wan wasn’t simply getting lucky against Anakin when they fought on Mustafar. Obi-Wan knowing who Anakin was had a gameplan to backpedal and wait for a moment of weakness which Anakin eventually showed. Obi-Wan was easily one of the most refined and proficient duelist in the CW era, and his greatest weapon was always his mind and wit.
@TheDevilOfDallas I don't disagree, but to say that someone scales because they "beat" someone is crazy. Rock doesn't scale to paper cause it beats scissors. They are different fighting styles. Vaders fighting style is a barrage of powerful attacks. Obi wans is quick and defensive. Dookus is technical and offensive. Every time dooku fights obi wan he's won, and obi wan didn't get stronger on Mustafar, he just fished for anakins weakness.
Obi Wan wasn't even slightly lucky against Anakin. It was his calling as a last stand Jedi against the sith, the biggest feat any Jedi has ever performed. There's no way through talent or ferocity could he ever match Vader. It was through sheer will of the force, through knowledge of what was at stake. Unpopular opinion, Vader here was a match for Yoda/Palpatine. Obi Wan performed an amazing act, and to win he used his knowledge of Anakin. Only he knew he could goad him into that exact move. Obi Wan is the definition of a hero.
@@SingleTax wrong af. You just don't understand how strong dooku is. Or the fact dooku had decades of training on him. Obi wan not being strong in the force in general but still trained enough to solo dooku by revenge of the sith. Maybe watch the video? Obi got to his peak. Dooku had been at his. Overestimated himself and didn't respect obi enough. Like a 10 year old going against a 20 year old. We haven't seen the 10 year old reach his peak yet. My God think??
@Pater Perker you definitely can. Considering the power level they have is above yours. Or capable of being. Or will power. Definitely can tho. You teach to a certain degree. At some point they branch out and have to add and teach themselves some.
Playing into Dooku's overconfidence about his knowledge about their dueling skill until the right time was a master class taken right out of the sith's own playbook.
I like to think Obi-won was always able to safely 'touch' the dark-side in moments of dire need. When Dooku felt the flash of Dark in Obi-won, he found it confusing. For just a moment, Dark and Light were in perfect balance within Obi-won. "Wait, what? I thought Skywalker was supposed to be the Chosen One..." Confidence became confusion, which grew-up really fast to become fear. Dooku believed he was on the winning team, but with one moment of force-insight, knew his cause was lost.
Btw that line about Kenobi not being "a master" but "THE Master" of Soresu comes from Mace Windu in the same novel. It's why Mace believed that only Obi could take out Grievous.
I love the fact that they played on dooku's ego as a master duelist and him presuming they would refuse to learn from their many encounters with him as well as assuming that Kenobi would stick to the same form of combat qui-gon was master of.
This shows how close Obi and Anakin were after years of fighting together in the clone wars. Not only could they fight in total sync, but feint in sync as well.
I love that part in Bane’s book when his blademaster split his saberstaff in two, revealing his own deception to his students. Brilliant ace in the hole.
Unfortunately for Kasiim his power in the force was way below Bane's. Bane simply didn't put all of his eggs in the lightsaber basket, he also studied the dark side and mastered it.
you touched on this but anakin pulled a similar feint by switching from shiien to djem so, and dooku admitted his makashi didn't generate enough power to defend against anakin's insanely strong strikes
@@zacharymccants77 you are correct Shii Cho is still form 5 but where as Djem So is the more aggressive variant shii cho is the more defensive variant and does not generate the powerful strikes Djem so does
@@bryanhickernell7189 Shii Cho is Form 1, what Kit Fisto mastered. Shien was the alternate variant of Form V. I just thought back when I read the book, they caught Dooku off guard by opening with Shii Cho and Ataru, only to switch to Djem So and Soresu shortly after the fight. You can tell Obi-Wan did open with Ataru due to his side stance with his saber, similar to Qui-Gon. Anakin opens with a very basic stance, saber lowered and poised upwards, compared to the high held stances of Form V.
This was brilliant strategy. They used Sith tactics against them. This was awesome. Both such a great pair. Dooku was right to be terrified. Dooku knew Qui-Gon. But he didn't know Obi-Wan. May the Force be with you
Bane at the Sith Academy fought against two twilek students(brother and sister)that were at the academy longer and had more skill and experience than he had so he secretly trained with Kasim and months later bane was challenged to fight the pair and he started the fight as if his lightsaber skills never improved and then he showed his hand and killed the pair easily
Terrified, but also very impressed. Hell Obi-Wan is probably one of the very few lightsaber dualists Dooku grew to have any real respect for besides Yoda.
@@thatdude3977 one of them. I think that in terms of pure skill the best Lightsaber duelist of the Jedi Order is Mace Windu, while Yoda is the best force user. Obi Wan is the textbook example of "hard work pays off", while Anakin is the definition of talent. And I also think that according to the novel Obi Wan and Anakin matched each other almost perfectly during their duel on Mustafar. Obi Wan defeated Anakin because of three things: endurance, patience and cleverness.
@@danmarusan2878 Obi-Wan defeated Anakin for one single reason: Anakin was overconfident. There's legitimately no way for Kenobi to win against his pupil otherwise.
Stupendous Wave is right, lightsaber duels are more akin to a game of chess. From what I read once in a Star Wars magazine, though, the duels are chess games played at 60 mph.
Obi Wan was a master of more then one form and knew how to blend them all together. He was an excellent dualist, and often underestimated. Others that fought him didn't realize he took jedi lightsaber forms to a new level, by combining them an being unpredictable with each swing. I think he would've likely beaten Dooku on his own, Yoda, even Mace Windu, and to a high degree challenge Sidious. Not sure why he never knew, it seemed or used, Force Lightning. But the force Lightning could be his defeat. Mace Windu seemed to handle force Lightning well.. could be his form style gave him a chance with that.
I think the failing of Dooku and the Sith in the end is viewing the jedi as unchanging and unadaptable when they very much could be when they choose to be. It's why Luke and his apprentices became such formidable foes with a blade.
And what makes that different than when Palpatine says I am all the sith in the film at the moment all the spirits of the jedi were fighting thru ray just as all the sith were fighting thru Palpatine
There's a chance that Palps was being sneaky at using the force to weaken Obi-Wan's defenses in that fight to aid Dooku. Not to say Dooku couldn't have cracked Obi-Wan's force defense by himself, but he did it so easily that its possible Palps gave he a bit of help.
In the novel, Anakin and Obi fooled Dooku by fighting in different styles from their main styles - they tricked him into thinking the battle was going to go the same way as the first. Then suddenly Dooku realizes that Obi Wan had become an absolute master of Soresu and Anakin fooled Dooku into thinking that he was a Shien stylist I believe and just as suddenly as Obi Wan, he pulls out Djem So and Dooku has an "oh sh*t" moment and realizes he's in big trouble. As Makashi simply does not generate enough kinetic energy to stand against a Djem So stylist of Anakin's strength and power in the force. GREAT novelization. So many little details.
This is why I love the novels. They really dive into the duels that the movies don't n I understand that cuz the movies makes the duels a beautiful spectacle that we don't really see the inner battle with in. The two hiding their true forms was indeed a sith tactic. Often times Obi-Wan frowns upon the tactics they have to use to secure a victory. But in times of war any victory is a victory.
Jedi were not taught how to repel Sith Techniques like force chokes. Force pushes , yes because it was common. Dooku even mocked them in his mind that they didn't learn anything about Sith techniques. That fault would be at the feet of Yoda, knowing the Sith had returned and having 10 years to update Jedi knights and Masters about Sith Techniques and how to counter them . Yoda failed in that.
@Riffin-Lick Clips I concur, and to add on, it is entirely possible that the force shield that obi-wan put up (a technique that all jedi/sith know), got obstructed or destroyed, allowing dooku to ragdoll him.
To be fair to Obi-Wan, Dooku is very powerful and knowledgeable in the force, and while Obi-Wan is no slouch in that regard, Dooku was always naturally gifted when it came to force techniques, telekinesis in particular, that and he's probably one of the most skilled at sneaking tricky little force-based attacks between lightsaber strikes.
@@KEVINE81382 Ah, right on time with the predictable "Jedi bad" argument. Even if Yoda did that, there would still be no guarantee that Obi-Wan would've been able to repel Dooku's techniques.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 Jedi at this point know nothing about the dark side technique because they have not seen any sith for 1000 years, only Yoda might have known any technique that can counter a dark side style. No Jedi in the clone wars era know how to repels sith force attack accept Yoda.
the terrifying part about Kenobi isn't that he is going to rush in, overwhelm and cut you to ribbons like Anakin. Kenobi isn't an avalanche. No, Kenobi is like a deep, dark forest. If you wander in, you'll find the path you walked in on, has disappeared. The trees seem to be tightening around you, a cordon of silent sentinels, cutting off your path, vines and roots hinder you, until you're pace slows to a crawl. In desperation, you might choose to climb up one of the trees, only to find out that the climb up is long and perilous. And even if you reach the top of one tree, all you'll see is a silent forest, stretching far, far into the horizon. Your own breathing is reflected back at you from the depths of the forest, echoing all around you. You're lost, and can't find your way out. Kenobis strenght, is his defense. While Anakin is the bulldog, the master fencer, the assailant. Kenobi adapted his fighting style to complement his, to stand next to his friend and pupil, to support him. If they both took on an aggressive fighting style, they'd get in each others way. Instead, Kenobi chose to be the Thorn, the ever present threat, a foil that can strike at any time, and can receive any attack, only to counter it and parry back, the shield to Anakins sword. Kenobi also had cunning, we all like the way hes always joking and when he teases his enemies. But this is not just on a whim. Kenobi understand balance, focus and control perhaps better than anyone else in the Start Wars universe. And so, he is always trying his best to unbalance his opponent, to rob them of their focus and take over control of the battle. He is a master strategist and a cunning warrior, and i believe that much of the Dun Möch technique that Anakin used, was ultimately learned from Kenobi.
I agree. Obi-Wan even said (talking to Anakin, about Anakin’s style) “You think with your lightsaber”, and that’s very true. And for Anakin, it works perfectly. Obi-Wan, however, is the chess player, he’s think 3 or 4 moves ahead. There is a reason he’s The Negotiator. He’s always thinking out things, possibilities, what to do if the opponent does this thing or that thing, he listens to what’s being said and uses the other person’s own words against them. It wasn’t “luck” that had him win against Anakin. It was that brain of his. Obi-Wan knew Anakin SO WELL, and he knew that eventually Anakin would get overconfident and make a mistake. Which Anakin did. Anakin got too big for his britches, thought he was King Shit, and made a simple Ataru flip over Obi-Wan, forgetting who it was he was fighting. Like, come on Anakin, it’s fucking Obi-Wan Kenobi. You don’t do stupid things in a battle with him, that’s how you get fucked up. In the movie, when Obi-Wan figures out that Anakin is gonna try to jump to where Obi-Wan is, he tells him “Don’t try it”, but he says it with concern and worry and something else in his voice. I’ve always felt that Obi-Wan knew that would be his moment and he’d have to cut Anakin up ;which he really didn’t want to do. He loved Ani like a brother). I’ve always really loved that scene. I’m glad you mentioned Dun Moch, finally I’m not the only who sees Obi-Wan using it. They say Obi-Wan is a Master Troll, and he is. Even when he’s just messing around with Anakin, he takes the time to troll him lol. And he LOVES using it on Ventress and Grievious especially. That’s why Obi-Wan is my favourite in SW (a super close 2nd is Satele Shan). Now that I’ve talked about Obi-Wan being a savage troll, I’m gonna have to go watch the vids of him trolling everyone.
Look how Obi-Wan prevailed against Darth Maul, General Grievous and Darth Vader. He was prepared to go the distance, be patient and resourceful with quick thinking. He knew how to counter aggression and arrogance of Siths.
I remember a video breaking down a duel between Obi-Wan Kenobi and General Grievous. The narrator explained that Obi-Wan was not as potent in the force as most other masters (regarding midi-chlorians). Also, he wasn't considered the most talented lightsaber fighter, choosing to master form 3, Soresu, a style often considered too defensive by other masters. Still, he did shine in a factor other Force Users from both the Jedi and Sith often failed. Obi-Wan Kenobi trusted the force completely, so where others would get rattled, Obi-Wan would obey the force. I always liked that explanation.
My only nitpick is that Obi wan absolutely is known is a talented lightsaber fighter as Soresu os the hardest form to master, which he did. It's just that most are not afraid of soresu as it's defensive. Only the intelligent enemies understand how dangerous Obi Wan is. And often proceed to grow obsessed with beating him as a result. (seriously it's kind of funny how Obi has way more serious enemies obsessed with him the Anakin does during the clone wars. Maul, ventress, Grievious, Dooku all seem more concerned and/or interested in Obi Wan. And then vader himself grows obsessed with Obi Wan as well. Everyone but the emperor himself seemed kind of obsessed with this guy. I find that funny because I imagine Obi Wan is not at all happy about that dubious honor. :P
Obi-Wan's Soresu is a dancing fortress of light. A bulwark against all evil. The safest place in the galaxy is behind him and the safest being, the one standing there, under his protection.
I think in its pure mastery form as Obi Wan has attained in Soresu, is the perfect foil for makashi. both forms are about using the least amount of energy to achieve its goal, with makashi using delicate parries and light strikes to frustrate or wear down your opponent, while soresu abandons all energy to offence and using as little as possible in parries until the opponent makes a mistake, or gets exhausted, both styles have similar end goals but in the end one is using less energy than the other, and the emotions that come from fighting the sith way lead to frustration way faster and to a lesser extent Dookus advanced age as a essentially terrain. (also one of the most advanced force users in the background extending his will over the fight as at that point Palpatine was getting rid of Dooku)
It’s hinted Obi Wan is the only one Yoda puts at the top. He is also the one who beats Vader and could probably have beaten him in Star Wars, but as we saw he decided not to.
This is why I love the Star Wars books. It's fun to see the movies, but you learn so much more about the thought processes of these characters in the book, and you can really get in their head. God I miss my EU book collection. Wish I hadn't lost it in a fire.
My favorite part on ROTS novel that didnt show up in the movies is when the council is trying to decide which master should go get Grievous. Kenobi asks that same question and then he realizes that all the masters are staring at him😂
Kenobi tells Mace he isn't so sure he should be the one, but Mace says Kenobi has no weakness like the other masters and that he was THE master of Soresu and just to be himself and Grievous would never defeat him.
@@ryandenina7735 Yeah, I remember that. Kenobi wants Mace to do it since he created a deadly style, but Mace asks him what's better: The creator of a deadly style, or the master of a classic style.
I also like how in the book it shows just how close Anakin and Obi-Wan were for Obi-Wan couldn't really keep secrets from Anakin and how Obi-Wan convinced Anakin to spy for them because they feared the Sith were a danger to Palpatine. It showed how much Obi-Wan cared for Anakin and why him turning to the dark side effected so badly.
Form 3 Soresu is a completely defensive form. Obi-wan learned it after his first duel with Darth Maul when Maul killed Qui-gon. Form 3 allows Obi-wan to use less energy in a lightsaber fight by using less movements and deflecting the lightsaber instead of trying to avoid it. The form was designed for blasters, but masters realized it was perfect for lightsabers as well. This allows Obi-wan to last in the battle longer than his opponent and allow him to come up with better strategies to win in his fights. Obi-wan was not the only one to master this form he just used it the most out of them. Mace Windo and Master Yoda were also masters of this form as they mastered all the forms, and they used it in conjunction with other forms. The best masters switch to this form to defend then switch out of it for offensive then switch back.
Dooku's fear, I think, stems not only from his underestimation of Kenobi, but also his underestimation of Soresu. I don't think he thought that either one was terribly impressive before this point; he had never faced either form or wielder at their true peak. Dooku is a duellist - it's his thing. Precise, perfect placement of the blade - which also extends to his mindset and the way he interacts with others. Soresu, in the hands of the Master, totally screwed that tactic. Kenobi with Soresu = you can't touch me, Dooku. Of course he'd find this sudden and previously unthinkable reversal of control disturbing.
Very few Jedi truly met their potential; Yoda, Mace, and Obi-Wan are three but Obi-Wan was vastly weaker in the force. Yet, he essentially reached his peak were many more naturally powerful characters didn't and this allowed him to face them.
What makes ObiWan special is his patience and discipline.Always assessin always calculating,never overwhelmed by emotions..If Anakin listened to him all these years, he would be the greatest Jedi ever, because he had all the power and skills,more than anybody, but he lacked discipline and control..Which are so important if you want to climb up...!!!!
By the way dooku still doesn’t want to kill kenobi, he still thinks he might be able to get obi wan to the dark side, and also anakin (obviously) in attack if the clones dooku tries for the first time when he captures obi wan, that’s another reason why he might be overwhelmed. Because he’s not trying to kill obi wan, he’s trying to keep him at bay
Yoda himself says that of all the jedi he has seen, Kenobi was the truest master of Sarisu. Surpassing both Yoda and Mace Windu in any of the forms is something to be weighed heavily
Be that as it may, Dooku was fighting both Obi Wan and Anakin at the same time. Also, he used the force to throw Obi Wan out of the picture. It went all to plan except for perhaps he was not trying to kill Anakin. I think if the duel was Dooku fighting to kill Anakin, he most likely could have. That wasn't the plan, hence there was some restraint from Dooku. And that restraint cost him.
And from what I understand is that his forms main focus is not offense, but defense. He may not be the strongest attacker, but NOTHING, will get through his defenses. Like you said, not a master, but THE master.
Ironically, I think this is far more resembling of the tactic Darth Zannah used against Darth Bane in their final duel, Zannah as a Master of Soresu, and even used a double bladed lightsaber with shorter blades to make it even more effective, allowing her to move the saber closer to her body when fighting in close quarters or in da case of her duel with Bane, how his blinding fast and unrelenting attacks boxed her in, which she used to hide the fact that she was essentially making little to no effort to parry his attacks, letting him thinking she wasn't going to attack him, all the while expecting him to use Essence Transfer on her, to show another trick she had on her sleeve, the fact that she was also a Master of Sith Sorcery, when he used this specific sith sorcery against her, he essentially decreeted his own doom.
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I absolutely love this video. Why? Too many fans often forget. Anakin’s power level isn’t the only one that doubled. Master Kenobi did as well. This confirms Obi-Wan was Dooku’s equal, possibly slightly greater. Hell yea, Obi-wan gettin the credit he deserves.
I thought the face that Dooku and Qui Gon sparred so much would also work in Obi Wana favour since he would have also known Dookus moves from his master's teachings
Ah, but I'm not left handed either. But it's pretty strange when you think about it. Story-writing wise, wouldn't it be more impressive to write the character as faking being right handed which is much more common on top of the fact it is really weird to fight a left-handed opponent?
Of all the scenes on Star Wars, I really wish they gave us more for this duel in the movie. All of them are so legendary, the short scene doesn’t do them all justice and it could have been really unique with their style clashes.
I also think it's logical, Dooku is counting on the naivety of the Jedi to win, except that there he has in front of him the two best Jedi of two generations, and in addition they have trained and prepared for 10 years of war to confront him, which is anything but naive, I think the hypothesis of Soresu being mastered by Kenobi is correct.
7:07 Their body language speaks volumes. Anakin's shoulders are hunched forward like he's holding something in, while Obi-Wan is standing chest out, shoulders back, ready for what may come.
Obi Wan reminds me of when I read Sun Tzu (I really actually did--I don't remember half of it but I really did) where he says that the first thing is to make yourself unconquerable and then to conquer. Soresu is basically that--if you do it right, nobody can ever touch you and then you just wait for the right time to strike.
Long story short: obi-wan gets oneness amps like CRAZY (for those who don’t know, for both the light AND dark side, when you fight aligned perfectly with the will of the force, you become such an extension of it that you get a huge amp in power temporarily, some amps are more, depending on how much of the forces will you are aligned with)
Well since obi wan is not really all that powerful in the force. It's like what qui gon told him it's the flashy styles that kill most Padawans. Becuse it's true obi wan has a fairly weak connection to the force in the novels compared to alot of the other masters. Form 3 is perfect for him. It makes all the since in the end.
I have been a big fan of Obi-Wan for this reason. He is a chess master where he controls the pace & forces you to make a mistake & then takes advantage of that.
Well, that is a theory. The problem with the ROTS novelization of the duel, it has not only been de-canonized, but the Clone Wars series undermines the novel narrative. The Duel on Oba-Diah more or less undercuts the ROTS explanation of events. Dooku has already seen the dynamic duo change up their styles on Oba-Diah, since he forced them to. Moreover, the ROTS novel implies the three never dueled in-between AOTC and ROTS, which is not the case anymore. If one follows the Clone Wars duels, and then only the ROTS On-Screen duel, Dooku owned Obi-Wan from the start, dominated him on Oba-Dia and in Son of Dathomir, and then owned him once more in ROTS. What is noteworthy, however, is why Dooku kept sparing Obi-Wan after having a clear deathblow window on Oba-Diah and ROTS. Sometimes a dude has your number. Like Obi-Wan and Anakin. Or Vos and Dooku.
This is EXACTLY what happens in REAL Fighting gung-fu between various styles and attacks. If you know more than one style, which many back in the day didn't. you would use one style to either lead your attack or defend. This would allow you to test your opponent to learn their techniques and hopefully their real fighting style be it a specific animal style "Tiger, snake, Eagle" or some other methods, then you would know whether or not your MAIN style would be successful against them or not. The more styles you know, the greater you would have one to pull out of your arsenal to counter them. THIS is Exactly what Obi-Wan did here is using Ataru as the FEINT to lull him into over confidence then he pulled out his REAL Style of Soresu once Dooku was thrown off. You can see Gordon Liu do the EXACT same thing here when fighting this Japanese Ninja. He uses standard gung-fu fighting to learn his style, then pulls out Crane style after seeing enough and knowing exactly what will counter it. th-cam.com/video/nIklYwwd4wE/w-d-xo.html
They really should have had more detail to ALL lightsaber duels. They stories and details were so exquisite that the movies and shows never do them justice.
Obi-wan really is that too Jedi. He bet Vader and many many more powerful opponents. He could have most likely killed Vader on the Death Star but chose not to for Luke.
It's mind boggling the quantity of information that we lose in the movies. Only by reading the books and by channels like this one, can we understand the greatness of StarWars. Words like Soresu, Niman, Ataru, etc are never known via series nor movies. If we look at the movies, Obi-Wan always looks like someone who is 2 or 3 steps behind his own Padawan. In the CloneWars Obi-Wan only scratches in beard, most of the time. Only on the series could we have a little more about him, but, didn't happened.
Is there some lore from legends that talks about Coruscant before it became a city planet (I forgot the term for it)? I wonder what it looked like naturally before the entire surface was built as it is in the prequels.
I would say that Dooku was less terrified, and more infuriated and uncomfortable with how kenobi progressed as a swordsman in a form that rivalled his in effectiveness in a duel scenario like this. Had Kenobi focused more on force defences and how to increase his force barrier, he might have been more unstoppable, he might have actually posed a threat even by himself. Despite Dooku's swordskills having plateaued years back and his limited stamina, he still had complete consummate control of the situation with his force abilities and speed of thought precision and application of them to strongarm his way through Kenobi and neutralise him if he needed to, and he did.
I still think Obi-Wan is vastly underrated when brought up on the topic of the most powerful Jedi. He has killed Maul twice, Grievous, and bested Vader twice as well. Once in ROTS and again in his own show.
I'd like to also add that I still believe Sidious manipulated that fight and tampered with Obi-Wan's force shield to allow Dooku to use the force on him like that... Cuts to him both times something happens to Obi-Wan... And force shields are most definitely a thing, but not talked about nearly enough in lore.
the word "deception" has a somewhat negative connotation. this was both strategic (planning) & tactical (action) performance, rather than something underhanded like planting fake evidence at a crime scene (deception)
Obi-Wan is the ultimate chess master. He sees a flaw and trains to fix it for the next time. His form is the practice of his behavior in the manner of patience. Hence the name the negotiator because negotiations take time and patience and understanding the motives of the other and planning how to counter.
Because Obi-Wan always learns from his mistakes.
This also plays into how Kenobi continued to win against Vader in the Obi wan series. He predicted the actions his old apprentice would take and used it against him.
This is Obi-Wan Kenobi...
A phenomenal pilot who doesn't like to fly.
A devastating warrior who would rather not fight.
A negotiator without peer who would prefer to sit in a quiet cave meditating.
Jedi Master. General in the Grand Army of the Republic. Member of the Jedi Council.
@@trevorhogen7761e true but he mainly picked up a weakness though ie plot device the breathing apparatus etc : remember he has the advantage as he’s his master would know his weakness .. but with the recent duel Vader was weakened as sidious said …
Because like Tony Stark... Obi-Wan learns from his mistakes 🤣
This is the reason why I think Obi-Wan wasn’t simply getting lucky against Anakin when they fought on Mustafar. Obi-Wan knowing who Anakin was had a gameplan to backpedal and wait for a moment of weakness which Anakin eventually showed. Obi-Wan was easily one of the most refined and proficient duelist in the CW era, and his greatest weapon was always his mind and wit.
@TheDevilOfDallas not true at all.. his style is almost completely countered by dookus.
@TheDevilOfDallas I don't disagree, but to say that someone scales because they "beat" someone is crazy. Rock doesn't scale to paper cause it beats scissors. They are different fighting styles. Vaders fighting style is a barrage of powerful attacks. Obi wans is quick and defensive. Dookus is technical and offensive. Every time dooku fights obi wan he's won, and obi wan didn't get stronger on Mustafar, he just fished for anakins weakness.
@@godman7331 u do realise its the other way around, form 3 bodies form 2, dooku himself said that he couldnt defeeat som1 who has mastered soresu
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Obi Wan wasn't even slightly lucky against Anakin. It was his calling as a last stand Jedi against the sith, the biggest feat any Jedi has ever performed. There's no way through talent or ferocity could he ever match Vader. It was through sheer will of the force, through knowledge of what was at stake. Unpopular opinion, Vader here was a match for Yoda/Palpatine. Obi Wan performed an amazing act, and to win he used his knowledge of Anakin. Only he knew he could goad him into that exact move. Obi Wan is the definition of a hero.
I like to think that Dooku last moments in his mind was some part of pride of how well Qui Gon Jinn had taught Obi Wan.
Dooku rules
He obviously didn't teach Obi-Wan well enough. because Dooku threw him around like a rag doll.
@@SingleTax wrong af. You just don't understand how strong dooku is. Or the fact dooku had decades of training on him. Obi wan not being strong in the force in general but still trained enough to solo dooku by revenge of the sith. Maybe watch the video? Obi got to his peak. Dooku had been at his. Overestimated himself and didn't respect obi enough. Like a 10 year old going against a 20 year old. We haven't seen the 10 year old reach his peak yet. My God think??
@Pater Perker you definitely can. Considering the power level they have is above yours. Or capable of being. Or will power. Definitely can tho. You teach to a certain degree. At some point they branch out and have to add and teach themselves some.
@Pater Perker Galen Marek and Vader
Playing into Dooku's overconfidence about his knowledge about their dueling skill until the right time was a master class taken right out of the sith's own playbook.
I like to think Obi-won was always able to safely 'touch' the dark-side in moments of dire need.
When Dooku felt the flash of Dark in Obi-won, he found it confusing.
For just a moment, Dark and Light were in perfect balance within Obi-won.
"Wait, what? I thought Skywalker was supposed to be the Chosen One..."
Confidence became confusion, which grew-up really fast to become fear.
Dooku believed he was on the winning team, but with one moment of force-insight, knew his cause was lost.
Btw that line about Kenobi not being "a master" but "THE Master" of Soresu comes from Mace Windu in the same novel. It's why Mace believed that only Obi could take out Grievous.
Obi-wan simply has that dawg in him.
Legally 1st
He smoked the snoop dogg death sticks
😂😂😂
Obi-Wan always shows out when it’s all on the line. He always improves and gets the W.
My boy obi is clutch
Whether that's Darth Maul or Darth Vader, he will rise up to the occasion
@@officialzacadammorrison i think because he truly doesn't want to kill anyone
I love the fact that they played on dooku's ego as a master duelist and him presuming they would refuse to learn from their many encounters with him as well as assuming that Kenobi would stick to the same form of combat qui-gon was master of.
This shows how close Obi and Anakin were after years of fighting together in the clone wars. Not only could they fight in total sync, but feint in sync as well.
He realized that Kenobi had become a master of soresu
Not just a master but THE master
@@jakealter5504 the very best form 3 duelist ever
@@jakealter5504 The master of masters ! ;)
I love that part in Bane’s book when his blademaster split his saberstaff in two, revealing his own deception to his students. Brilliant ace in the hole.
Yeah but Bane knew he couldn't beat Kasiim because he hadn't trained against a blade in each hand so he just force pushed a temple on top of his head😂
Unfortunately for Kasiim his power in the force was way below Bane's.
Bane simply didn't put all of his eggs in the lightsaber basket, he also studied the dark side and mastered it.
It's a classic trick. I show you all you know, but not all I know.
Haha so true. Bane should’ve finished him quickly
you touched on this but anakin pulled a similar feint by switching from shiien to djem so, and dooku admitted his makashi didn't generate enough power to defend against anakin's insanely strong strikes
I thought the novel said Anakin opened with a Form 1 stance? And Obi-Wan opened with Form 4. It was a tactic to trick Dooku.
@@zacharymccants77 dooku said obi-wan opened w/ ataru and anakin opened w/ shiien, i just checked
@@karmgotstolen ah, ok. I could have sworn it was Shii-Cho. Shien seems like a weird one to fake, because it’s still a variation of Form 5.
@@zacharymccants77 you are correct Shii Cho is still form 5 but where as Djem So is the more aggressive variant shii cho is the more defensive variant and does not generate the powerful strikes Djem so does
@@bryanhickernell7189 Shii Cho is Form 1, what Kit Fisto mastered. Shien was the alternate variant of Form V. I just thought back when I read the book, they caught Dooku off guard by opening with Shii Cho and Ataru, only to switch to Djem So and Soresu shortly after the fight. You can tell Obi-Wan did open with Ataru due to his side stance with his saber, similar to Qui-Gon. Anakin opens with a very basic stance, saber lowered and poised upwards, compared to the high held stances of Form V.
This was brilliant strategy. They used Sith tactics against them. This was awesome. Both such a great pair. Dooku was right to be terrified. Dooku knew Qui-Gon. But he didn't know Obi-Wan. May the Force be with you
Bane at the Sith Academy fought against two twilek students(brother and sister)that were at the academy longer and had more skill and experience than he had so he secretly trained with Kasim and months later bane was challenged to fight the pair and he started the fight as if his lightsaber skills never improved and then he showed his hand and killed the pair easily
@@ryandenina7735 that's pretty good too. thanks :) awesome strategy
Terrified, but also very impressed. Hell Obi-Wan is probably one of the very few lightsaber dualists Dooku grew to have any real respect for besides Yoda.
In the end obi wan was the best jedi, defeating anakin and vader multiple times
@@thatdude3977 one of them.
I think that in terms of pure skill the best Lightsaber duelist of the Jedi Order is Mace Windu, while Yoda is the best force user.
Obi Wan is the textbook example of "hard work pays off", while Anakin is the definition of talent.
And I also think that according to the novel Obi Wan and Anakin matched each other almost perfectly during their duel on Mustafar.
Obi Wan defeated Anakin because of three things: endurance, patience and cleverness.
@@danmarusan2878 Obi-Wan defeated Anakin for one single reason: Anakin was overconfident. There's legitimately no way for Kenobi to win against his pupil otherwise.
@@Gabu_ that's what I said: Endurance, patience and cleverness. These are the perfect counter against overconfidence.
Stupendous Wave is right, lightsaber duels are more akin to a game of chess. From what I read once in a Star Wars magazine, though, the duels are chess games played at 60 mph.
Obi Wan was a master of more then one form and knew how to blend them all together.
He was an excellent dualist, and often underestimated. Others that fought him didn't realize he took jedi lightsaber forms to a new level, by combining them an being unpredictable with each swing. I think he would've likely beaten Dooku on his own, Yoda, even Mace Windu, and to a high degree challenge Sidious. Not sure why he never knew, it seemed or used, Force Lightning. But the force Lightning could be his defeat. Mace Windu seemed to handle force Lightning well.. could be his form style gave him a chance with that.
I think the failing of Dooku and the Sith in the end is viewing the jedi as unchanging and unadaptable when they very much could be when they choose to be. It's why Luke and his apprentices became such formidable foes with a blade.
The downfall of the Sith was Palpatine not realizing Rey was ALL the Jedi.
@@Zazzaro703 That's assuming you even consider the ST part of the franchise, which a lot of fans don't.
And what makes that different than when Palpatine says I am all the sith in the film at the moment all the spirits of the jedi were fighting thru ray just as all the sith were fighting thru Palpatine
Dooku may have been afraid, but he merked obi. They did obi so dirty in that fight!
There's a chance that Palps was being sneaky at using the force to weaken Obi-Wan's defenses in that fight to aid Dooku. Not to say Dooku couldn't have cracked Obi-Wan's force defense by himself, but he did it so easily that its possible Palps gave he a bit of help.
In the novel, Anakin and Obi fooled Dooku by fighting in different styles from their main styles - they tricked him into thinking the battle was going to go the same way as the first. Then suddenly Dooku realizes that Obi Wan had become an absolute master of Soresu and Anakin fooled Dooku into thinking that he was a Shien stylist I believe and just as suddenly as Obi Wan, he pulls out Djem So and Dooku has an "oh sh*t" moment and realizes he's in big trouble. As Makashi simply does not generate enough kinetic energy to stand against a Djem So stylist of Anakin's strength and power in the force. GREAT novelization. So many little details.
This is why I love the novels. They really dive into the duels that the movies don't n I understand that cuz the movies makes the duels a beautiful spectacle that we don't really see the inner battle with in. The two hiding their true forms was indeed a sith tactic. Often times Obi-Wan frowns upon the tactics they have to use to secure a victory. But in times of war any victory is a victory.
Great video. The anology with Bane quite well fits your arguments - with which I agree. Cheers.
Kenobi still needed some work on repelling force attacks as Dooku rag dolled him.
Jedi were not taught how to repel Sith Techniques like force chokes. Force pushes , yes because it was common. Dooku even mocked them in his mind that they didn't learn anything about Sith techniques. That fault would be at the feet of Yoda, knowing the Sith had returned and having 10 years to update Jedi knights and Masters about Sith Techniques and how to counter them . Yoda failed in that.
@Riffin-Lick Clips I concur, and to add on, it is entirely possible that the force shield that obi-wan put up (a technique that all jedi/sith know), got obstructed or destroyed, allowing dooku to ragdoll him.
To be fair to Obi-Wan, Dooku is very powerful and knowledgeable in the force, and while Obi-Wan is no slouch in that regard, Dooku was always naturally gifted when it came to force techniques, telekinesis in particular, that and he's probably one of the most skilled at sneaking tricky little force-based attacks between lightsaber strikes.
@@KEVINE81382 Ah, right on time with the predictable "Jedi bad" argument. Even if Yoda did that, there would still be no guarantee that Obi-Wan would've been able to repel Dooku's techniques.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 Jedi at this point know nothing about the dark side technique because they have not seen any sith for 1000 years, only Yoda might have known any technique that can counter a dark side style. No Jedi in the clone wars era know how to repels sith force attack accept Yoda.
the terrifying part about Kenobi isn't that he is going to rush in, overwhelm and cut you to ribbons like Anakin. Kenobi isn't an avalanche. No, Kenobi is like a deep, dark forest.
If you wander in, you'll find the path you walked in on, has disappeared. The trees seem to be tightening around you, a cordon of silent sentinels, cutting off your path, vines and roots hinder you, until you're pace slows to a crawl. In desperation, you might choose to climb up one of the trees, only to find out that the climb up is long and perilous. And even if you reach the top of one tree, all you'll see is a silent forest, stretching far, far into the horizon. Your own breathing is reflected back at you from the depths of the forest, echoing all around you. You're lost, and can't find your way out.
Kenobis strenght, is his defense. While Anakin is the bulldog, the master fencer, the assailant. Kenobi adapted his fighting style to complement his, to stand next to his friend and pupil, to support him. If they both took on an aggressive fighting style, they'd get in each others way. Instead, Kenobi chose to be the Thorn, the ever present threat, a foil that can strike at any time, and can receive any attack, only to counter it and parry back, the shield to Anakins sword. Kenobi also had cunning, we all like the way hes always joking and when he teases his enemies. But this is not just on a whim. Kenobi understand balance, focus and control perhaps better than anyone else in the Start Wars universe. And so, he is always trying his best to unbalance his opponent, to rob them of their focus and take over control of the battle. He is a master strategist and a cunning warrior, and i believe that much of the Dun Möch technique that Anakin used, was ultimately learned from Kenobi.
I agree. Obi-Wan even said (talking to Anakin, about Anakin’s style) “You think with your lightsaber”, and that’s very true. And for Anakin, it works perfectly. Obi-Wan, however, is the chess player, he’s think 3 or 4 moves ahead. There is a reason he’s The Negotiator. He’s always thinking out things, possibilities, what to do if the opponent does this thing or that thing, he listens to what’s being said and uses the other person’s own words against them.
It wasn’t “luck” that had him win against Anakin. It was that brain of his. Obi-Wan knew Anakin SO WELL, and he knew that eventually Anakin would get overconfident and make a mistake. Which Anakin did. Anakin got too big for his britches, thought he was King Shit, and made a simple Ataru flip over Obi-Wan, forgetting who it was he was fighting. Like, come on Anakin, it’s fucking Obi-Wan Kenobi. You don’t do stupid things in a battle with him, that’s how you get fucked up.
In the movie, when Obi-Wan figures out that Anakin is gonna try to jump to where Obi-Wan is, he tells him “Don’t try it”, but he says it with concern and worry and something else in his voice. I’ve always felt that Obi-Wan knew that would be his moment and he’d have to cut Anakin up ;which he really didn’t want to do. He loved Ani like a brother). I’ve always really loved that scene.
I’m glad you mentioned Dun Moch, finally I’m not the only who sees Obi-Wan using it. They say Obi-Wan is a Master Troll, and he is. Even when he’s just messing around with Anakin, he takes the time to troll him lol. And he LOVES using it on Ventress and Grievious especially. That’s why Obi-Wan is my favourite in SW (a super close 2nd is Satele Shan). Now that I’ve talked about Obi-Wan being a savage troll, I’m gonna have to go watch the vids of him trolling everyone.
I real wish these two got a proper rematch. The amount of precision the duel would have would be astonishing
Look how Obi-Wan prevailed against Darth Maul, General Grievous and Darth Vader. He was prepared to go the distance, be patient and resourceful with quick thinking. He knew how to counter aggression and arrogance of Siths.
I remember a video breaking down a duel between Obi-Wan Kenobi and General Grievous. The narrator explained that Obi-Wan was not as potent in the force as most other masters (regarding midi-chlorians). Also, he wasn't considered the most talented lightsaber fighter, choosing to master form 3, Soresu, a style often considered too defensive by other masters. Still, he did shine in a factor other Force Users from both the Jedi and Sith often failed. Obi-Wan Kenobi trusted the force completely, so where others would get rattled, Obi-Wan would obey the force. I always liked that explanation.
This is proven by his last dual against Vader.
My only nitpick is that Obi wan absolutely is known is a talented lightsaber fighter as Soresu os the hardest form to master, which he did. It's just that most are not afraid of soresu as it's defensive. Only the intelligent enemies understand how dangerous Obi Wan is. And often proceed to grow obsessed with beating him as a result. (seriously it's kind of funny how Obi has way more serious enemies obsessed with him the Anakin does during the clone wars. Maul, ventress, Grievious, Dooku all seem more concerned and/or interested in Obi Wan. And then vader himself grows obsessed with Obi Wan as well. Everyone but the emperor himself seemed kind of obsessed with this guy. I find that funny because I imagine Obi Wan is not at all happy about that dubious honor. :P
Obi-Wan's Soresu is a dancing fortress of light. A bulwark against all evil. The safest place in the galaxy is behind him and the safest being, the one standing there, under his protection.
Dooku: Why are you smiling?
Kenobi: Because I know something you don't know.
Dooku: And what is that?
Kenobi: I am not left handed!
LOL dude I just typed that in a reply to someone else's comment.
More like I have the high ground
I really enjoy the comparisons and contests between the different forms.
Dooku: I am so proud and so pissed at the same time
I think in its pure mastery form as Obi Wan has attained in Soresu, is the perfect foil for makashi. both forms are about using the least amount of energy to achieve its goal, with makashi using delicate parries and light strikes to frustrate or wear down your opponent, while soresu abandons all energy to offence and using as little as possible in parries until the opponent makes a mistake, or gets exhausted, both styles have similar end goals but in the end one is using less energy than the other, and the emotions that come from fighting the sith way lead to frustration way faster and to a lesser extent Dookus advanced age as a essentially terrain. (also one of the most advanced force users in the background extending his will over the fight as at that point Palpatine was getting rid of Dooku)
chapters like that adds the magic back into Star Wars
It’s hinted Obi Wan is the only one Yoda puts at the top.
He is also the one who beats Vader and could probably have beaten him in Star Wars, but as we saw he decided not to.
This is why I love the Star Wars books. It's fun to see the movies, but you learn so much more about the thought processes of these characters in the book, and you can really get in their head. God I miss my EU book collection. Wish I hadn't lost it in a fire.
My favorite part on ROTS novel that didnt show up in the movies is when the council is trying to decide which master should go get Grievous. Kenobi asks that same question and then he realizes that all the masters are staring at him😂
Kenobi tells Mace he isn't so sure he should be the one, but Mace says Kenobi has no weakness like the other masters and that he was THE master of Soresu and just to be himself and Grievous would never defeat him.
@@ryandenina7735 Yeah, I remember that. Kenobi wants Mace to do it since he created a deadly style, but Mace asks him what's better: The creator of a deadly style, or the master of a classic style.
I also like how in the book it shows just how close Anakin and Obi-Wan were for Obi-Wan couldn't really keep secrets from Anakin and how Obi-Wan convinced Anakin to spy for them because they feared the Sith were a danger to Palpatine. It showed how much Obi-Wan cared for Anakin and why him turning to the dark side effected so badly.
Sorry, which book is this please and the authors name?
Form 3 Soresu is a completely defensive form. Obi-wan learned it after his first duel with Darth Maul when Maul killed Qui-gon. Form 3 allows Obi-wan to use less energy in a lightsaber fight by using less movements and deflecting the lightsaber instead of trying to avoid it. The form was designed for blasters, but masters realized it was perfect for lightsabers as well.
This allows Obi-wan to last in the battle longer than his opponent and allow him to come up with better strategies to win in his fights. Obi-wan was not the only one to master this form he just used it the most out of them. Mace Windo and Master Yoda were also masters of this form as they mastered all the forms, and they used it in conjunction with other forms. The best masters switch to this form to defend then switch out of it for offensive then switch back.
If Kenobi and Skywalker would have teamed up to go after darksiders, brah! They would've eliminated quickly working together like that!
Sidious would have folded both of them if they tried to take him down. It would have been akin to their first duel with dooku
Dooku's fear, I think, stems not only from his underestimation of Kenobi, but also his underestimation of Soresu. I don't think he thought that either one was terribly impressive before this point; he had never faced either form or wielder at their true peak. Dooku is a duellist - it's his thing. Precise, perfect placement of the blade - which also extends to his mindset and the way he interacts with others. Soresu, in the hands of the Master, totally screwed that tactic. Kenobi with Soresu = you can't touch me, Dooku. Of course he'd find this sudden and previously unthinkable reversal of control disturbing.
I think Jedi and Sith usually go for the flashy fighting styles. Obi-Wan wasn't really a flashy person.
Very few Jedi truly met their potential; Yoda, Mace, and Obi-Wan are three but Obi-Wan was vastly weaker in the force. Yet, he essentially reached his peak were many more naturally powerful characters didn't and this allowed him to face them.
What makes ObiWan special is his patience and discipline.Always assessin always calculating,never overwhelmed by emotions..If Anakin listened to him all these years, he would be the greatest Jedi ever, because he had all the power and skills,more than anybody, but he lacked discipline and control..Which are so important if you want to climb up...!!!!
By the way dooku still doesn’t want to kill kenobi, he still thinks he might be able to get obi wan to the dark side, and also anakin (obviously) in attack if the clones dooku tries for the first time when he captures obi wan, that’s another reason why he might be overwhelmed. Because he’s not trying to kill obi wan, he’s trying to keep him at bay
Yoda himself says that of all the jedi he has seen, Kenobi was the truest master of Sarisu. Surpassing both Yoda and Mace Windu in any of the forms is something to be weighed heavily
Be that as it may, Dooku was fighting both Obi Wan and Anakin at the same time. Also, he used the force to throw Obi Wan out of the picture. It went all to plan except for perhaps he was not trying to kill Anakin. I think if the duel was Dooku fighting to kill Anakin, he most likely could have. That wasn't the plan, hence there was some restraint from Dooku. And that restraint cost him.
Anakin is a master of attack.
Obi Wan is a master of defense.
Count Dooku never stood a chance.
And from what I understand is that his forms main focus is not offense, but defense. He may not be the strongest attacker, but NOTHING, will get through his defenses. Like you said, not a master, but THE master.
Ironically, I think this is far more resembling of the tactic Darth Zannah used against Darth Bane in their final duel, Zannah as a Master of Soresu, and even used a double bladed lightsaber with shorter blades to make it even more effective, allowing her to move the saber closer to her body when fighting in close quarters or in da case of her duel with Bane, how his blinding fast and unrelenting attacks boxed her in, which she used to hide the fact that she was essentially making little to no effort to parry his attacks, letting him thinking she wasn't going to attack him, all the while expecting him to use Essence Transfer on her, to show another trick she had on her sleeve, the fact that she was also a Master of Sith Sorcery, when he used this specific sith sorcery against her, he essentially decreeted his own doom.
The Clone Wars helped shape Anakin & Obi-Wan into lightsaber dueling BEASTS🔥
I appreciate your videos on Star Wars...it's all PreDisney Prequel/Legends material instead of Disney canon. Star Wars is dead, but your keeping it alive
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I absolutely love this video. Why? Too many fans often forget. Anakin’s power level isn’t the only one that doubled. Master Kenobi did as well. This confirms Obi-Wan was Dooku’s equal, possibly slightly greater. Hell yea, Obi-wan gettin the credit he deserves.
Obi Wan went Ultra Instinct.
I hope that one day Star Wars returns to this level of story telling. It's a shame what Disney has done to it.
This is my absolute favorite Star Wars channel
Funny, I was listening to this part of the revenge of the sith yesterday. ) must be a disturbance in the force) .
I thought the face that Dooku and Qui Gon sparred so much would also work in Obi Wana favour since he would have also known Dookus moves from his master's teachings
Isn't just another variation of...
'then why are you smiling?'
'because I know something you do not... I am not left handed"
;)
Ah, but I'm not left handed either. But it's pretty strange when you think about it. Story-writing wise, wouldn't it be more impressive to write the character as faking being right handed which is much more common on top of the fact it is really weird to fight a left-handed opponent?
The novel was written by Matthew Woodring Stover, a brilliant writer. It was poetic, beautiful, and very satisfying. All his books are great.
Of all the scenes on Star Wars, I really wish they gave us more for this duel in the movie. All of them are so legendary, the short scene doesn’t do them all justice and it could have been really unique with their style clashes.
I also think it's logical, Dooku is counting on the naivety of the Jedi to win, except that there he has in front of him the two best Jedi of two generations, and in addition they have trained and prepared for 10 years of war to confront him, which is anything but naive, I think the hypothesis of Soresu being mastered by Kenobi is correct.
7:07 Their body language speaks volumes. Anakin's shoulders are hunched forward like he's holding something in, while Obi-Wan is standing chest out, shoulders back, ready for what may come.
Obi Wan was poetry in motion 😮😊
Obi Wan reminds me of when I read Sun Tzu (I really actually did--I don't remember half of it but I really did) where he says that the first thing is to make yourself unconquerable and then to conquer. Soresu is basically that--if you do it right, nobody can ever touch you and then you just wait for the right time to strike.
i would love to see an animated version of the movies, with more novelization of the story put in.
Long story short: obi-wan gets oneness amps like CRAZY (for those who don’t know, for both the light AND dark side, when you fight aligned perfectly with the will of the force, you become such an extension of it that you get a huge amp in power temporarily, some amps are more, depending on how much of the forces will you are aligned with)
"i am not left handed!" 🙂
Well since obi wan is not really all that powerful in the force. It's like what qui gon told him it's the flashy styles that kill most Padawans. Becuse it's true obi wan has a fairly weak connection to the force in the novels compared to alot of the other masters. Form 3 is perfect for him. It makes all the since in the end.
"my powers have double since last time, dooku." -Anakin, clearly referencing EP 2.
Disney: "Nope."
This is where it started.
I have been a big fan of Obi-Wan for this reason. He is a chess master where he controls the pace & forces you to make a mistake & then takes advantage of that.
Anakin and Obi Wan pulled out the Uno reverse with their deception. Truly a "Can't beat em? Join em" moment.
Well, that is a theory. The problem with the ROTS novelization of the duel, it has not only been de-canonized, but the Clone Wars series undermines the novel narrative. The Duel on Oba-Diah more or less undercuts the ROTS explanation of events. Dooku has already seen the dynamic duo change up their styles on Oba-Diah, since he forced them to. Moreover, the ROTS novel implies the three never dueled in-between AOTC and ROTS, which is not the case anymore. If one follows the Clone Wars duels, and then only the ROTS On-Screen duel, Dooku owned Obi-Wan from the start, dominated him on Oba-Dia and in Son of Dathomir, and then owned him once more in ROTS. What is noteworthy, however, is why Dooku kept sparing Obi-Wan after having a clear deathblow window on Oba-Diah and ROTS. Sometimes a dude has your number. Like Obi-Wan and Anakin. Or Vos and Dooku.
Never thought about it that way
This is EXACTLY what happens in REAL Fighting gung-fu between various styles and attacks. If you know more than one style, which many back in the day didn't. you would use one style to either lead your attack or defend. This would allow you to test your opponent to learn their techniques and hopefully their real fighting style be it a specific animal style "Tiger, snake, Eagle" or some other methods, then you would know whether or not your MAIN style would be successful against them or not. The more styles you know, the greater you would have one to pull out of your arsenal to counter them.
THIS is Exactly what Obi-Wan did here is using Ataru as the FEINT to lull him into over confidence then he pulled out his REAL Style of Soresu once Dooku was thrown off.
You can see Gordon Liu do the EXACT same thing here when fighting this Japanese Ninja. He uses standard gung-fu fighting to learn his style, then pulls out Crane style after seeing enough and knowing exactly what will counter it.
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"Why are you smiling?"
"Because I know something you do not know."
"What's that?"
"I am not left handed either"
They really should have had more detail to ALL lightsaber duels. They stories and details were so exquisite that the movies and shows never do them justice.
Obi-wan really is that too Jedi. He bet Vader and many many more powerful opponents. He could have most likely killed Vader on the Death Star but chose not to for Luke.
It's mind boggling the quantity of information that we lose in the movies.
Only by reading the books and by channels like this one, can we understand the greatness of StarWars.
Words like Soresu, Niman, Ataru, etc are never known via series nor movies.
If we look at the movies, Obi-Wan always looks like someone who is 2 or 3 steps behind his own Padawan.
In the CloneWars Obi-Wan only scratches in beard, most of the time.
Only on the series could we have a little more about him, but, didn't happened.
Is there some lore from legends that talks about Coruscant before it became a city planet (I forgot the term for it)? I wonder what it looked like naturally before the entire surface was built as it is in the prequels.
It's universal canon that Ob-Wan's supreme skills are derived from the power of his beard.
As I get older I see myself becoming less like Anakin and more like Obi-wan. Especially as I learn more lore. Such thorough discipline. I love it
The novels ( before Disney) were always so cool. I loved when I first read this. Obi wan is such a skilled fighter. One of my favorite characters
Amazing
I would say that Dooku was less terrified, and more infuriated and uncomfortable with how kenobi progressed as a swordsman in a form that rivalled his in effectiveness in a duel scenario like this. Had Kenobi focused more on force defences and how to increase his force barrier, he might have been more unstoppable, he might have actually posed a threat even by himself.
Despite Dooku's swordskills having plateaued years back and his limited stamina, he still had complete consummate control of the situation with his force abilities and speed of thought precision and application of them to strongarm his way through Kenobi and neutralise him if he needed to, and he did.
Dooku: "You'll have to do better!"
Obi Wan: "Oh, you noticed we've been sandbagging this entire time?"
Dooku: "Wait, wut?"
The ole Inigo "I am not left handed"
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SOOO terrified he completely ragdolled him in seconds..
I wish they would have showed more of this in the movie. Run time be damned, I want to see we’ll written Jedi/Sith action!
They should release extended versions like the Lord of the Rings did.
“I know something you don't know. I am not left-handed.”
I really wish the duel in the movie reflected the way it went in the book. A missed opportunity.
We need to keep in mind that Dooko was in his eighties and Kenobi in his thirties at the time. It was great writing though.
Never saw this moment of fear in the film.
i just wish they could have shown a bit more of this in the movie instead of cutting it making kenobi look like a joke
Obi wan looks so savage when he takes that stance
I still think Obi-Wan is vastly underrated when brought up on the topic of the most powerful Jedi. He has killed Maul twice, Grievous, and bested Vader twice as well. Once in ROTS and again in his own show.
Great video
Didn't mace label kenobi the master of his form?
There is a point anakin drops his sabre and catches it again to stop getting his hand cut off was impressed when I found that out
"I'm not left-handed." 😉
Essentially what they did was the Star Wars equivalent of “I know something you do not, I am not left handed.”
I'd like to also add that I still believe Sidious manipulated that fight and tampered with Obi-Wan's force shield to allow Dooku to use the force on him like that... Cuts to him both times something happens to Obi-Wan... And force shields are most definitely a thing, but not talked about nearly enough in lore.
the word "deception" has a somewhat negative connotation. this was both strategic (planning) & tactical (action) performance, rather than something underhanded like planting fake evidence at a crime scene (deception)