Qui Gon was a threat to be taken seriously. He had a very particular set of skills. Skills he had acquired over a very long career. Skills that made him a nightmare for people like Palpatine.
Not just Palpatine, but als the order. They hated him. They actively prevented him from getting a seat on the council only because he was too rogue in their eyes. But they were rusted in conservatism. Which cost them everything.
Qui Gon was the only pure, uncorrupted, and incorruptible Jedi. I always felt that out of everything that happened in episode 1, it was the death of Qui Gon which truly set events into motion that would ultimately lead to the downfall of the Jedi.
This is actually a really interesting idea. Qui Gon was so gounded with his emotions and selfless that none of the other jedi could ever question that his true intent was anything other than for the greater good, even if they didn't understand it at the time. If Anakin had grown up as Qui Gon's apprentice, its impossible to imagine that Anakins faith in Qui Gon could have ever been stirred by Palpatine as it was with Obi Won.
He was Not though in the slightest. He was traumatised Like hell from how He failed xanatos, leading to him traumatising Obi wan which leads to all the issues Obi wan and Anakin Had . . . .He IS directly responsible for anakins fall already. He was so attatched to His Lady Love He was willing to abandon the child in His Care togeather with Kids in a war Zone and then lie about IT to himself and Others to somehow make IT a non issue. He was perfectly willing to condemn Obi wan for following the will of the force and clbasic human decency by helping the Other Kids cause IT opposodes His single minded Focus of clinging to thal. If He Had been any more selfaware He would have brought her to safety and immedietly returned with Help, but He felt better stewing in being betrayed and the victim of the Situation, rather then face His attatchment and saving Kids lifes . . . . . Qui gon literally neglected all 3 of His students, how do people assume He would Not do the Same with Anakin? First Thing He did upon getting him was leaving him alone in a war Zone after He did Not disclose He was a Slave to the council which skewed their Reading of Anakin . . .
@@SingingSealRiana i keep telling this guys that believe it would have mattered otherwise. Anakin was destined to fall for many reasons outside of anyone who trained him. He had far too many attachments and was already too damn old. He never should have been allowed to train but that being said he would have only sided with the Sith far earlier had that taken place
@@jamesmagee6875You guys are straight dumb. The entire point of Qui Gon is that he was killed because he was the one who could have changed things. If Anakin was raised completely differently how tf can you assume things would still play out the same.
Qui Gon Jin is obviously a crazy zealot, that explains why he thought Anakin waa born from the force. I am prepared to assume miticlorians is his own conviction not even backed by any findings.
It’s worth mentioning also that in the Wrath of Darth Maul novel once he reports who the Jedi he ran into were on Tatooine Sidious immediately pushed to him “Disregard the Padawan and kill Qui-Gon at all costs” which alone shows how much of a threat he was
The Master teaches padawan. In a 2 v1 killing the Master would logically mean the padawan falls soon after. Having the high ground is also an advantage but stories. Guess Obi-Wan is the exception to both.
@@SeanNodruma obi-wan limited the potential of darth vader by defeating anakin sure, but darth vader was still born after their fight. And vader was still a huge asset for the sith. However, if qui gon got to live and train anakin for at least some years, it would have been over for the sith. They likely would not be able to defeat even a young anakin with his body intact and trained under qui gon in the true ways of the living force.
You forgot to mention that it was Qui Gon's perception and intuition, as a Jedi, that led him to become the first Force Ghost and return to offer his council to Yoda.
@@ortuignis3782 Of course it's relevant. Even in death he guided yoda along the path that would eventually lead to him teaching Luke, who then would end the sith. Even in death through the force, he was instrumental in defeating the sith. They were right to fear him, and did not in fact solve their problems by killing him, merely delayed them.
@@joshsmith5752 This video is about why the sith feared QG. The sith did not fear him because he discovered force-ghosting. It's not relevant to the video, just random lore
he also feared Plo Koon, because he was the most gifted and inventive force user, and because his clones loved him so much he feared that Plo's clones would would actually resist order 66 so he made sure he had a different group of clones assigned to him when the order was given.
i never noticed this!! It must have also been why he was assigned to a pilot position, as while he was a relatively gifted pilot as well, being in a plane would make him infinitely easier to kill
Plo Koon was actually so strong in the force, he could create water out of the atmosphere and matter with his force skills. That seems like nothing, but he could literally create different forms of matter and have precognition far beyond most Jedi.
@@rakuencallisto yeah he applied science to the force which allowed him to create the non-evil version of force lightning, he could change the weather, all kinds of stuff
I absolutely love Qui Gon. He has always been one of my favorites, despite being in only one movie. I was always really sad that he died, but now even more so knowing how differently things could have turned out if he had survived.
If you like Qui Gon Jinn, you should read the Jedi Apprentice novels. They chronicle the adventures of Qui Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi before the events of Episode I, and they're super fun. Qui Gon and Obi Wan are basically wandering Ronins in space, going from planet to planet, helping people, without even bothering to follow the Jedi code half the time.
Qui Gon struck me in the films and stood out as a character A LOT. I immediately felt a sense of a figure kind of above it all.. he was clear minded and saw the world as it was not as the rest wanted him to see or believe. The dark side always tries to pray on and push weaknesses, Qui Gon was immune to weakness, fear, and could not be tempted, distracted. He was a steadfast, steadied character driven by good, light, morality, and things greater than himself. Qui Gon is the greatest Jedi that utilized the forces ability of sight. He is able to see all.
In legends I think this is why Jacen Solo was so powerful. Like Qui gon he understood the force the way only a few ever have and would often converse with the force before making his decision.
I've always loved Qui-gon Jin he was such a fun charachter in episode 1, the fact that he so readily did his own thing against the stiff rules of the jedi order just felt good. He would've been perfectly compatible with Anakin absolutely.
Beautifully told. Qui-Gon is one of my favorite characters. I've always felt him, and his role or purpose have been greatly undervalued. Such an impactful character with an amazing story. Thanks for this video Stupendous Wave, you did Qui-Gon justice.
If he was alive a little longer, Qui Gon would've been the first Jedi to truly sense Palpatine and his machinations. He followed the will of the Force and not the Jedi dogma. This made him far more attuned to the Force than anyone else on the Council. Not the most skilled or "most powerful" but he was the most in touch with the Force itself at the cost of everything else...
The will of the force was literally to find balance, though. When Qui was alive, the force was *heavily* skewed towards the light side, with the sith and dark jedi being purged for literally centuries prior. If anything, the will of the force would have told him "don't get in the way of palpatine, bro".
@@mavor101 balance in the force does not mean the same amount of sith and jedi, that's the most stupid repeated thought i've heard, not once is that implied in the entire series.
@@Myhaay I see. And you think having thousands of light-side wielders running around spreading light everywhere, with literally less than a handful of dark side users doing the same, is "balance"? I think you need to look up the definition of balance my man.
@@mavor101 since when are they spreading anything? jedi's aren't priests, they don't go around teaching anyone about the force except their padawans, why does your small ass brain think that balance means equal numbers? maybe so many species are ruthless and greedy that it evens out, why can't that be a dark side influence? why does it have to be sith? because they have red laser swords?
So here's a 2 part question then: 1) How would Qui Gon have reacted to the clone army 2) What would Qui Gon have done if he had been the one Fives told his findings to?
He probably wouldn't have liked the Clone Army at all and refused to command any of them. And had he heard what Fives said about his findings he probably would've gotten the agitated clone to calm down. But he would've believed him completely. An act upon them he would.
As far as the first part is concerned, I'd imagine that Qui Gon wouldn't like the idea of the Clone Army but wouldn't let that taint his interactions with the clones if he was made to fight in the Clone Wars as Obi-Wan and Anakin were. We've already seen in a number of clone legions, there's a kind of top-down influence on how the clones of a legion behave relative to how good their relationship is with both their respective Jedi General as well as their Clone Commander. Knowing that Qui Gon was a highly compassionate man who sees rules and regulations more as guidelines and suggestions, on top of being highly driven by intuition, his legion would look and act the same in addition to being very against the grain with their approach to the war. With that in mind, it also kind of answers the second part of the question in that not only would Qui Gon believe Fives, his entire legion would likely be filled with soldiers *just like* Fives.
I really love Qui-Gon. He embodies what the Jedi should be. What Light should be. Great video! May the Force be with you too. And may it guide you always!
He would, because that's was Anakin's path all the time. Remember, Qui Gon's philosophy turns around the idea that we are just servants of the force. Whatever happened, it happened for a purpose. If Anakin didn't turned into Vader, he would never fullfil his destiny and bring balance to the force again.
@@mechamedeamigo3984 I have to disagree with this. Palpatine preyed on the fact that Anakin had taken a lover, that he was much older than other students normally are begin their training. Obiwan was a great jedi whom took alot of Quigon's training to heart, but he still didn't have the connection that Quigon did. Quigon's training of Anakin would have been different than how he was trained by Obiwan. I think Anakin would have felt comfortable in confiding in Quigon about his relationship with Padme, he wouldn't have had to turn to Palpatine, even if he had the vision of her dying in child birth he would have went to Quigon about it first. From what I remember Padme died because she lost the will to live, Anakin didn't know that her death in that vision was the result of his turning to the dark side. Quigon's connection to the force could have given him the wisdom to understand this and guide him down the proper path. Either way, I doubt it would have gotten to that point anyways. By the time Anakin was a young adult Sideous had already cast a veil of darkness over the jedi and was making his moves. Quigon would have picked up on this and dispatched him. Palpatine wouldn't have been there to tempt him with the darkside, and Quigon could have guided him through the tumult of emotions caused by him growing up as a slave and having to leave his mother behind. In that case I think that Quigon would have been the one to bring about balance, his views didn't adhere to the rigidity of the jedi, and I think Ashla and Bogan could have been represented in harmony within him at that point.
@@mrlizard6529Anakin having a happy ending doesn't necessarily bring balance though, it just consolidates the jedi as the main military force in the galaxy, and one that was easily manipulated by political influence and also very rigid in their way of thinking. The ending in the return of the jedi makes sense to me because it brings true balance by striking the empire and redeeming vader in a context where an overly dominating jedi order couldn't be possible.
What the fudges are you even talking bout!? Qui gon didn’t get killed by Darth Maul! He planned his death & let red boi slay him to set da events in motion so he could go all force Ghosty & let young Ani cook & become evil
I’ve said it before, the most consequential event in Episode I was Qui-gons death, not the discovery of the chosen one. Anakin needed a father, not a brother. The Jedi council was so focused on the big picture that they were blinded to what was happening right around them.
Exactly, Obi-Wan was good at many things, but was definitely not equipped to deal with a teenagers mental issues and trauma. His pedagogy was terrible.
Quigon Jin is one of the best Jedi ever! Liam Neeson did such a spectacular job in his performance. It always guts me (pun intended) watching his death scene. 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦
Good point. Had Qui Gon lived he would’ve trained Anakin as his padawan. Obi-Wan would’ve been free to be a Jedi Knight, at least initially. He would’ve been the one to ponder the question “If Maul was the apprentice, then where is the master?” Dooku might not have been tempted by the Dark Side or at least Qui Gon’s death would’nt have been the last straw that lead to his turn. The moment when Yoda said, “Take Senator Amidala back to Naboo,” Obi-Wan would’ve probably been the one to protect her. When Anakin started having visions of his mother in peril, Qui Gon would’ve counseled him in the ways of the Force. Or it’s highly possible that Anakin goes anyways back to Tattoine and slaughters the sandpeople. But that would mean Qui Gon is on Geonosis where Dooku tells him that everything has been manipulated by a Dark Lord of The Sith. I could go on
Now that’s a fascinating interaction. They are like the duality of those who listen to the Living Force. Kreia who follows the path of silent destruction, control, and chaos, but uses peace in service of her greater cause. Jinn who follows the path of peace, release, and morality, but uses chaos as a tool in service of the greater cause. An oversimplification to be sure. But interesting nonetheless.
Sounds to me like he heard and obeyed the voices In his own head, no matter what. Outside of the Star Wars universe, they call that delusional, sociopathic behavior. There's a movie called "Frailty" that brilliantly illustrates this. It stars Bill Paxton, and it's a classic thriller.
1:58 when said this line about how he felt about the code, my immediate thought was the pirates of the Caribbean scene that the code is more guidelines than actual rules.
The Jedi were entrapped in a bureaucratic loop of self destruction. The order became too political, too enthralled with influencing those in rule. They became followers of the Jedi Order rather than followers of the force. Qui Gon was a throwback to the true Jedi Order of the past. He was a true follower of the force and was not blinded by the above mentioned issues. He was able to see the truth more clearly, and Palpatine knew that would be the Sith order’s downfall if left unchecked.
Your tale about qui gon in the cave killing the sleeping beast is exactly why i think qui gon knew it was his time in phantom menace. If the force told qui gon to peace out he would have done it with no hesitation.
Jinn - "I do as I must". He did what he always felt was right. Jinn will always be one of my favorite and I do believe he was one of the more skilled lightsaber combatants. Other than Jedi like Yoda and Mace and a few others I believe most wouldve fell to Maul immediately on Tattooine as none of them had encountered a sith in a 1000 yrs, most would not have known what to do as the Jedi took on saber forms to deal with blaster fire in an era with no sith, Jinn did great considering he was in his older years already. If I had to take 5 jedi into combat it would be Jinn, Mace, Plo-koon, lightside Dooku and Obi-wan. If I had to take jedi that will do what is right and are listeners to the will of the force then probably just Jinn lol or Plo.
I grew up reading Cloak of Deception, Legacy of the Jedi, Call to Vengeance the Apprentice series. Qui Gon became my favorite jedi immediately as a kid. So I appreciate the Qui Gon love.
If Anakin had trained under Quigon he would have become the true avatar of the force. His complete potential would have been unlocked and he would have had power not seen since Legends while remaining in the light. The sith would have been casually swatted aside and utterly crushed beneath his heel. They were wise to fear Quigon.
Qui Gon Gin is what made me, as a young boy fall in love with the Jedi. It was many years later that i realised that he was more of a Grey Jedi. He embodies what i believe to be the best qualities in a force wielder. Im glad to see more content for him.
I like to think that because of his deep connection to the force Qui Gon 'sensed' something was "off" or "different" about Palpatine. He could sense the dark side truth in him.
@@rduva115 That was the *real* difference between Qui-Gon and the other Jedi, though. They could feel something, but they wouldn't act on just a feeling. He was the only Master who would have filleted the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic because his gut said it was the right play at that moment.
I am, of course, moved to wonder just how much of Qui-Gon Jinn's iconoclastic attitude resulted from his apprenticeship to Jedi Master Dooku. Eventually he grew beyond Dooku's habitual mistrust in temporal authority (politicians, etc.) to accept the guidance of The Force as the most important waypoint for his personal compass. It would be very interesting indeed to explore more thoroughly the mentor/protégé relationship between Dooku and Qui-Gon than has previously been done.
We need a "What If" series to see what would have happened had Qui-Gon survived that battle. I would love to see how absolutely powerful Anakin would have truly become if he was not so damaged on Mustafar.
If/when Qui-Gon learned about Anakin and Padme, I think he would have tried to help Anakin keep Padme safe. Qui-Gon was willing to bend the rules a little without ever really abandoning his loyalty to the Jedi and more importantly to the Force itself. THIS is what Sidious feared...someone else that Anakin could trust.
Quigone was not held down by any personal agenda . He was pure in heart and had no need praise , money or position . He could see beyond the superficial and the arrogance of the Jedi council . He had to be removed - he would have destroyed Palpatine .
@@anthonyp6896 Intelligent enough to back up when the gate opened and wait for Obi Wan. Why not pull Maul to him? Hell why not leave Maul trapped in that area and just stand back with Obi Wan. Like… you come to us bub. We will wait all day. Hey Obi Wan? Do you have your cell phone? Those little Hologram things we call on? Inform the masters we have a Sith trapped in a corner. sO iNteLLigenT!
Thank you for making this video, I have always been drawn to Qui-gon's way of thinking. I hope and also do not hope (as the story being told needs to be handled with the utmost care) they delve deeper into his past.
Yeah, honestly if Star Wars was ever to do a "What-if" style TV Show. A season 1 finale (maybe even a whole arc) would be "What if Qui-Gon survived" as it'd likely result in an incredibly different version of the Star Wars universe.
Qui-Gon was not a warrior at heart. He was a spiritual teacher, a wise man, a healer, a person who could comfort those in pain. Qui-Gon didn’t lecture like Obiwan or Yoda. Qui-Gon listened and reassured you that everything would be okay. Qui-Gon was the role model Anakin desperately needed. Darth Maul’s violent nature killed Qui-Gon.
The Force decided he needed to die. The whole point of Anakin was to bring balance, and if Qui Gon had lived he never would have as he wouldnt have turned. Qui Gon also learned how to live forever through the Force, which he taught Yoda and Obi Wan who in turn used that knowledge to be there for the training of Luke so he could defeat/redeem Vader. A lot was riding on Qui Gon dying. It doesnt seem to be an accident, it was necessary so all the events it set it motion would happen.
Whenever I played lego star wars with my little brother he used to make me take qui-gon until we could get a better character and I'd end up sticking with qui-gon through every level of the game
Thank you for this video - Qui Gon has long been a personal favorite; very cool to dive a little deeper into what makes him such a compelling character. 👍🏼
Time index 5:00, you state that Qui Gonn used the force to manipulate the dice so that he could be assured of winning Anakin and not his mother and that it was 'unbecoming' of a Jedi. While that may be true, there is a really GOOD chance that the die was already 'rigged' since Watto declared the terms of the roll as what each side meant. Qui Goon could simply have been fighting back as he could. Watto did seem surprised at the result.
@@paulitics6931 As soon as Watto produced the die and declared what the result would mean I was suspicious and it proved Watto had no clue what a jedi could do.
What he said when meeting Jar-Jar is also very vital to his character. "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent". Qui Gon was far more aware of all the subtle nuances. And far more calculating and calm than any other force user at the time. He would have understood the reasoning behind what Palpatine was saying.
Liam really made this role come to life. It couldn't have been any other actor. Absolutely one of my favorite Jedi for all the things you touched on. I was drawn to his wisdom in the movie.
I always thought that old Obi-Wan Kenobi (episode IV) was equal to his teacher, Qui-Gon. And I think Palpatine was also afraid of Obi-Wan after his death since Obi was able to get "immortality" which Palpatine could never obtain.
Loved this! Re: the last statement about Luke being close -- I would love to see a meditation on Luke's mastery in Ep. 8 to fight the entire First Order from the other side of the galaxy. That. was a pretty epic Force move.
Qui-Gon was probably the closest to the original Jedi way out of all of the late republic Order--none of the Council even came close to his relationship with the Force and his resolve to serve it.
Because he knew Qui Gon had a particular set of skills, skills which he had acquired over a very long career, skills which made him a nightmare for a person like Palpatine.
I wonder what Kreia would have to say about Qui Gon and his relationship with the force. I would argue that she would say that it was the force itself that led to his death in yet another attempt to “bring balance”
She probably would've said that, but she would likely be wrong in her assertion. The Force wanted Qui Gon to win. But as Lucas has said, we have destiny...but we also have free will. It is possible for Palpatine and Maul's free will to postpone destiny. From what I can tell, the Force wants to take the path to destiny(balance) that contains the least resistance. But the ego over-complicates things, and creates a long and winding path of suffering that leads to destiny eventually being fulfilled anyway. The Force will achieve balance, no matter how long is takes...no matter how many cycles it takes. It will happen. Its up to everyone how much generational suffering that will involve. That said, my opinion on the Force is somewhere in the middle of Kreia and Qui Gon's. Kreia's skepticism is highly relatable. The Force must be a flawed lifeforce if it relies on it's creatures to attain balance for it. On the other hand, if everyone lived in a Force-led utopia, then that harmony will indeed be achieved.
I am not sure. Certainly she would have made a case for following blindly and not making your own choices, of being influenced and not influencing: used, not using. Yet at the same time, I get the feeling that Qui-Gon's results would have impressed her: averting the loss of life amongst other things. Certainly his unique relationship with the Force would have been of interest, but then we come back to blind obedience. Yet perhaps the Living Force seek not balance, like the Force Kreia hates, but simply more life.
Glad to see Evil West mentioned on here. It gave me back that “I just got a cool looking game from blockbuster and I’m gonna do nothing but play it all weekend” feeling and felt so purely nostalgic to the ps2/3 era. Criminally underrated, much love to it.
The idea of Qui-Gon figures things out says he going to go kill the sith lord and ask the council to join him and walks them to chambers and and attacks with out explanation why hes gunning for chancellor. Is very funny to me.
However, I supect that listening to the will of the force might have led Anakin down the dark side path after all, because it was the will of the force to vanquish the corrupted jedi order. That and the subsequent removal of the emperor from power, was both required to "bring balance to the force".
I have to disagree with this. As Qui-Gon Jinn would have listened to the Force, and know that he was no match for the Sith, thus he would have taken Anakin with him on his travels along with Obi-Wan, and secretly train Anakin, since he knew that Anakin would have been the key to destroying the Sith threat. Even if the Clone Wars did happen, he would have been perceptive enough to find out about the inhibitor implant in every clone trooper, and act to stop Order 66 before it could be carried out. Even if he couldn't do anything, he would have likely been able to survive Order 66, and continue to train Anakin. Now, this may be going out on a limb, but I would say that this would be where Anakin would have become a 'Grey Jedi' in that he was serving the Force directly and not as part of the Jedi Order. There are plenty of reasons as to why Qui-Gon Jinn has been referred to as a 'Grey Jedi' before, since he listens to the Force, and treats the Code of the Jedi as a guideline and not as a law. Qui-Gon was far more proactive than most of the Jedi, as he would act to eliminate dangers before they became threats, rather than react after the fact like most Jedi did by that time. I also like the idea that Qui-Gon was more similar to the Jedi of the Hyperspace Wars in KOTOR and SWOTOR, who were more proactive during that time period. I could also see him allowing Anakin to marry Padme and helping with the raising and training of Luke and Leia. Once the Jedi Order was reestablished, I could see Qui-Gon Jinn rising to the rank of Grandmaster alongside Yoda once Sidious/Palpatine was defeated by Anakin, and training new generations of Jedi as they should have been. I could also see him relaxing restrictions such as allowing Jedi to marry and have children, as one of the reasons why Anakin resisted falling to the Dark Side for so long was that Padme was his emotional support, his rock, though that only delayed his fall to the Dark Side.
@@fenrirgaming37 I agree with this. I think that if Qui-Gon had lived and been able to properly train Anakin, the trio of Jinn, Kenobi, and Skywalker would have defeated Palpatine and "destroyed" the Jedi order by getting rid of rules that were in place simply to be rules. The Jedi by that time were arrogant, told to be detached, and to always listen to the Council. The core idea of not being allowed to love was incredibly foolish. Yes, love can lead us to do terrible things. But being detached from the world is only handicapping the Jedi. I mean, look at the real world. People are able to overcome the biological limits our brain puts on our bodies to prevent us from breaking our own bones and tearing muscles when they need to rescue or protect a loved one. The Jedi would be infinitely more powerful if they could live a more normal life and be able to be honest with each other and the Order. Yoda's Order was weak and needed to be destroyed. Not necessarily though the culling of the Jedi, but at least mentally.
@@BuzzedtheTower I don't think all Jedi were arrogant, but I do agree that a majority of the Jedi Order at that time was corrupt/arrogant. Those like Yoda though I would say were the more balanced Jedi. Mace Windu and the others that dogmatically adhered to the Code of the Jedi like it was law were what weakened the Jedi Order. Also, I don't think a culling would be needed, but a restructuring of the Order, as well as all Jedi being retrained from scratch after showing them the error of their ways.
@@fenrirgaming37 Oh, I don't think a culling was needed either. I meant the dogmatic obedience to order and the rules needed to be culled. The Jedi at the time were essentially an old, highly bureaucratic company. They needed new management to break that part and create a new environment where the next generation could thrive.
@@fenrirgaming37I wonder how things would have progressed with Dooku if Qui Gon was still around. Dooku may not have turned at all. And even if he did, moments like Dooku revealing Sideous to an ignorant Obi Wan on Geonosis would have been taken seriously. Sideous might not have been able to get the Clone Wars off the ground which would have screwed up a lot of his plan.
So if Qui Gon had lived, and "Trained the boy". He would have been able to keep Anakin away from wanting to be a master. Something Anakin wanted. That would have kept him away from the darkside. Obi Wan "may" not have been important if Qui didn't die. He would have trained Anakin to learn the living force and to embrace it, rather than "praise". And Sidious would have not had his prize.
Anakin would have learned to trust the force and follow the will of the force rather than trying to bend it to his will. Qui-Gon would be more of a father figure while Obi-Wan is more of an older brother. Also with Anakin Obi-Wan felt obligated to train him in place of his master, which is a different relationship than Qui-Gon had who chose to train him. It's also not stated but there was always rivalry between Anakin and Obi-Wan in their abilities with the force and saber dueling. Something that simply would not exist with Qui-Gon.
In some ways Qui-gon Jinn had the seen similar mindset of Revan. Now I'm not saying that he followed revan's ways like an acolyte, but rather the viewpoint of how the force should be perceived. I also want to believe too that Jinn had inadvertently saw the corruption of the Senate as well as the Jedi just like how his master Dooku had done, which is why he never felt like he deserve to be on the council.
In a way Dooku was right about Qui-Gon. Both him and Qui-Gon were disillusioned with the system. It was corrupt and did no longer serve the people it claimed to do. Corruption ran deep in both the senate and the Jedi order. But Dooku switched to the dark side, while Qui-Gon simply followed the will of the force. Gui-Gon was never interested in power or working with government, or for government. But simply follow the will of the force.
Nice video! Somebody said on a vid I watched recently, "It's (the music track for the Darth Maul fight in Episode 1) called 'Duel of the Fates' because if Qui-Gon hadn't died, Anakin's entire life would've been vastly different."
Would have been interesting to see how things would have unfolded if Qui-Gon Jin survived the encounter with Maul and proceeded to be in active duty and see how the whole saga would have been affected by it.
Not to mention he was the one who unlocked force ghost powers. When they struck him down he became more powerful than they could have possibly imagined
It actually goes deeper than that. Qui Gon Jinn was also an apprentice to the illustrious Count Dooku. He had lamented being Dooku's Padawan. However, it was the way Dooku had trained Qui Gon Jinn that eventually led him to the path of the will of the living force. And as we know, Dooku was Padawan to the Grand Master himself Yoda. Dooku before his fall was part of the "Lost Twenty" the Jedi who have left the order. And he was once held in VERY high esteem by both his fellow Jedi Masters, and the Jedi Order at large being one of its greatest Lightsaber Duelists. But Qui Gon as Count Dooku had said: "If anyone would understand my actions, it would be Qui Gon". Also, I don't think that Qui Gon Jinn was a Jedi Master, as he only very reluctantly took a Padawan learner. And in fact it was said in Legends that Obi Wan Kenobi was on the verge of being "dismissed" if a Jedi Knight would not take him under his/her wing. I can't remember what he did, but he impressed Qui Gon so much that he did take Kenobi as his Padawan. And like himself, Obi Wan was also deemed pure in the light. And like Darth Marr of old, Qui Gon upon his death opened himself completely to the force and was able to communicate from the Jedi netherworld. An ability Obi Wan used later.
I'm at 1:37, I'm gonna try to answer before I watch the rest. He was a true Jedi. Unlike the others in the order, he genuinely sought to pursue the will of the force and not simply conform to established structure and thinking. What made Palpatine so effective was the arrogance and political corruption of the Jedi that blinded them. They effectively made themselves the military arms of the Government instead of disciples of the Force. Qui Gon didn't have that problem and because of who he was never would have.
qui gon just wordlessly taking a lightsaber swing at "Chancelor" Palps would be hilarious and yeah, would probably mess up palpys plans if he did it in public/witnesed
Qui-Gon Jin is the equivalent of the Messianic figure, the one who obeys only the living Will beyond his own and is often at odds with the elect/religious counsel, and he, like a saviour, saw the written rules and law as suggestions that are allowed to be broken if the Will wills it. Besides, a Messianic figure is not out there to save every single one but rescues those that the Force Wills, not to mention that such figure is a walking serenity, an absolute calm and can soothe aching despair even at the end of their life. All of this is the reason that the ultimate antithesis to the Will of the Force is Darth Sideous, since he is out to make everything for himself, and every thing and every one is to be used and discarded when they are either a hindrance to him or become useless, a mockery to the Will of the Force, since Sideous' own will is the most important thing to him if not to just spite at the Will of the Force. Of course, like a true devil, he respects the power of the Force and all of its varieties and counters, whether they be light and dark side of the Force, he just derides the Will of the Force in spite just to satisfy his own will. In terms of spiritual realm of the Force, the Force will favour Qui-Gon above all else, even to that of Anakin and Luke Skywalker, and since Sideous is naturally inferior to just a weakened Anakin alone, and they all three were the result of the acts of Qui-Gon submission to the Will of the Force, it is quite palpable why Sideous must rid of him.
i think his attunement to the force was on par with yoda but he didnt want to be tied to any leadership role because it means you lose flexibility to follow the will of the force yoda was great but he was stuck at the temples most of the time unable to explore and move freely thats what held him back and helped Sidious
I'm going to say something possibly very stupid. Maul used all his dark side power to concentrate on staying alive. His wounds were cauterized, so it wouldn't have been that hard once the shock wore off, he'd have a ton of pain to fuel his rage. Qui Gon maybe could have survived, but he'd been stabbed in the spine, he'd never walk again. Knowing this, maybe he remembered his training and put all his energy into preserving his consciousness after death.
the stupendous wave but if I'm being honest the prophecy of the chosen one destined to bring balance to the force which is Anakin Skywalker was never meant to be a Jedi or sith but something even much more a force wielder because in the Clone Wars mortis Arc Anakin Skywalker tamed and subdued the son and the daughter not as a Jedi nor sith but as a force wielder which brings me to my point exactly you better to train teach mentor and master Anakin Skywalker not the Jedi,sith,mortis god's or force priestesses but the force itself his creator his father which is in Star Wars Canon like I said
the stupendous wave in Star Wars Canon the only Jedi that could have saved Anakin Skywalker help him reach his true full potential as the prophesized chosen one destined to bring balance to the force save his mother be with Padme is always and forever Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn and you know it you all do
Sidious had much to fear. In "Master and Apprentice," in the two years prior to TPM, Count Dooku was actively recruiting his two former apprentices to join him on Serenno where he intended to teach them some ways of the Dark Side. Of course Dooku didn't phrase it that way saying, "I have learned how to tap great power." Both Rael Aveross and Qui-Gon declined, but had they joined him and learned to master both sides of the Force like Dooku, Sidious might have been in a very tough spot indeed.
Now I'm punching the air imagining an alternate line where he never dies. He gets to see the honorable Jedi Obi Wan gets to be. Feeling proud. He gets to raise Anakin, keeping him on a positive path and leading him to be not only the most powerful Jedi but also one of the wisest. Etc etc etc
On the other hand, the Force let him die for a reason, and he accepted this. The Jedi Order had to fall and be completely rebuilt from the ground up--it had become too arrogant and corrupt to be reformed. Qui-Gon couldn't save the Jedi from themselves, no individual could. If only the Sequels had actually paid that off with a rebuilt Jedi Order under Luke Skywalker that actually lived up to Qui-Gon's ideals. That's the missed opportunity that makes me punch the air.
@@Cryptic0013 I do agree but if Qui-Gon was able to mentor Anakin in his conflicted years, he could just have told the boy to stop being such a little bitch and grow up for gods sake. He would have probably even fought Anakin over that. But would have also dove deep into facing Annies traumas together. Obi-Wan in that time was too busy keeping the peace and juggling influence to deal with Anakins mental problems.
Qui-Gon's body may be easily stabbed, but beneath said body was an idea. Ideas are bullet, saber, and lightning proof. Also, maybe The Force couldn't keep Padme from dying (its' will can clearly be ignored by even the Jedi) but maybe it could keep her alive long enough for Luke and Leia to be born, nudging events towards the Original Trilogy.
A line I've always appreciated as hugely important is almost a throwaway one from Dooku - "Qui-Gon knew all about the corruption on the Senate". If he'd lived, not only would he have provided the stable father figure that Anakin needed, he would have kept him far from Palpatine's influence. For that reason alone he was dangerous to the Sith.
How telling is it that Qui Gon was someone who turned out to be the best, purest student of the light side of the Force and yet was constantly at odds with the Jedi, particularly the High Council? To me, that just goes to show how much the Jedi strayed from their true ways and how much they had already fallen even before Palpatine enacted his plan throughout the course of the prequels.
Qui Gon was a threat to be taken seriously. He had a very particular set of skills. Skills he had acquired over a very long career. Skills that made him a nightmare for people like Palpatine.
I understood this reference!!!
underrated comment lmao
Thank you for this 😂
Not just Palpatine, but als the order. They hated him. They actively prevented him from getting a seat on the council only because he was too rogue in their eyes. But they were rusted in conservatism. Which cost them everything.
The most maddening part of his story- was it the truly the will of the Force that he be cut down by Maul?
Qui Gon was the only pure, uncorrupted, and incorruptible Jedi. I always felt that out of everything that happened in episode 1, it was the death of Qui Gon which truly set events into motion that would ultimately lead to the downfall of the Jedi.
Also Anakin fall as well.
@@abby2404 I think if Qui Gon was still alive he would not have let Anakin go to the dark side.
@@PNarbz123 Agreed.
that is why the song is called dual of the fates for that fight. a dual of fates indeed it was.
it as an even earlier event - it was the original trilogy. 😂 but yes
It's nice to know he was... Taken seriously.
Nice one. 😂
Badum bum! 🤣👍
Well, he did have a particular set of skills...
@@daveg2545damn u got there 8 mins before me
Right 😂😂
This is actually a really interesting idea. Qui Gon was so gounded with his emotions and selfless that none of the other jedi could ever question that his true intent was anything other than for the greater good, even if they didn't understand it at the time. If Anakin had grown up as Qui Gon's apprentice, its impossible to imagine that Anakins faith in Qui Gon could have ever been stirred by Palpatine as it was with Obi Won.
He was Not though in the slightest. He was traumatised Like hell from how He failed xanatos, leading to him traumatising Obi wan which leads to all the issues Obi wan and Anakin Had . . . .He IS directly responsible for anakins fall already.
He was so attatched to His Lady Love He was willing to abandon the child in His Care togeather with Kids in a war Zone and then lie about IT to himself and Others to somehow make IT a non issue. He was perfectly willing to condemn Obi wan for following the will of the force and clbasic human decency by helping the Other Kids cause IT opposodes His single minded Focus of clinging to thal. If He Had been any more selfaware He would have brought her to safety and immedietly returned with Help, but He felt better stewing in being betrayed and the victim of the Situation, rather then face His attatchment and saving Kids lifes . . . . .
Qui gon literally neglected all 3 of His students, how do people assume He would Not do the Same with Anakin? First Thing He did upon getting him was leaving him alone in a war Zone after He did Not disclose He was a Slave to the council which skewed their Reading of Anakin . . .
Thats why the song that plays during the Maul fight is called...."Duel of the Fates"
@@SingingSealRiana i keep telling this guys that believe it would have mattered otherwise. Anakin was destined to fall for many reasons outside of anyone who trained him. He had far too many attachments and was already too damn old. He never should have been allowed to train but that being said he would have only sided with the Sith far earlier had that taken place
@@jamesmagee6875You guys are straight dumb. The entire point of Qui Gon is that he was killed because he was the one who could have changed things. If Anakin was raised completely differently how tf can you assume things would still play out the same.
Qui Gon Jin is obviously a crazy zealot, that explains why he thought Anakin waa born from the force. I am prepared to assume miticlorians is his own conviction not even backed by any findings.
It’s worth mentioning also that in the Wrath of Darth Maul novel once he reports who the Jedi he ran into were on Tatooine Sidious immediately pushed to him “Disregard the Padawan and kill Qui-Gon at all costs” which alone shows how much of a threat he was
Same in the darth plagueis novel, qui gon was the main target
Meanwhile Obi-Wan ended up defeating Anakin, so they both really were a huge threat.
The Master teaches padawan. In a 2 v1 killing the Master would logically mean the padawan falls soon after. Having the high ground is also an advantage but stories. Guess Obi-Wan is the exception to both.
@@natsusatsujinki8342 oh it’s established that Obi-Wan got super lucky with his win. Even Palpatine was like “how the fuck did he lose!?!?”
@@SeanNodruma obi-wan limited the potential of darth vader by defeating anakin sure, but darth vader was still born after their fight. And vader was still a huge asset for the sith. However, if qui gon got to live and train anakin for at least some years, it would have been over for the sith. They likely would not be able to defeat even a young anakin with his body intact and trained under qui gon in the true ways of the living force.
You forgot to mention that it was Qui Gon's perception and intuition, as a Jedi, that led him to become the first Force Ghost and return to offer his council to Yoda.
Like that's dope lore but I don't think it was necessarily relevant to the video. He didn't forget anything
@@ortuignis3782 it's relevant as an accomplishment evidencing his connection
@@ortuignis3782 Of course it's relevant. Even in death he guided yoda along the path that would eventually lead to him teaching Luke, who then would end the sith. Even in death through the force, he was instrumental in defeating the sith. They were right to fear him, and did not in fact solve their problems by killing him, merely delayed them.
@@joshsmith5752 This video is about why the sith feared QG. The sith did not fear him because he discovered force-ghosting. It's not relevant to the video, just random lore
@@AXELweirdTigger I have no idea what you meant to say but read my above comment
he also feared Plo Koon, because he was the most gifted and inventive force user, and because his clones loved him so much he feared that Plo's clones would would actually resist order 66 so he made sure he had a different group of clones assigned to him when the order was given.
I didn't realize Plo Koon had a new group assigned.
That makes a lot more sense
@@jeffshackleford3152 yessir
i never noticed this!! It must have also been why he was assigned to a pilot position, as while he was a relatively gifted pilot as well, being in a plane would make him infinitely easier to kill
Plo Koon was actually so strong in the force, he could create water out of the atmosphere and matter with his force skills. That seems like nothing, but he could literally create different forms of matter and have precognition far beyond most Jedi.
@@rakuencallisto yeah he applied science to the force which allowed him to create the non-evil version of force lightning, he could change the weather, all kinds of stuff
That is why its called Duel of Fates. Qui Gon is the lynch pin that could have saved the Galaxy from the Rise of the Empire.
No its called the dual of fates because three people were fighting for Anakins fate. If you change who dies, Anakins path changes.
I absolutely love Qui Gon. He has always been one of my favorites, despite being in only one movie. I was always really sad that he died, but now even more so knowing how differently things could have turned out if he had survived.
If you like Qui Gon Jinn, you should read the Jedi Apprentice novels. They chronicle the adventures of Qui Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi before the events of Episode I, and they're super fun. Qui Gon and Obi Wan are basically wandering Ronins in space, going from planet to planet, helping people, without even bothering to follow the Jedi code half the time.
@@mungdaal9643 Cool. Thank you. I'll have to look into them.
It's like Lucas killed every likeable character just to fuck with us 😂. He killed Qui Gon, he ruined Anakin lol. Fuck you Lucaaas
Qui Gon struck me in the films and stood out as a character A LOT. I immediately felt a sense of a figure kind of above it all.. he was clear minded and saw the world as it was not as the rest wanted him to see or believe. The dark side always tries to pray on and push weaknesses, Qui Gon was immune to weakness, fear, and could not be tempted, distracted. He was a steadfast, steadied character driven by good, light, morality, and things greater than himself. Qui Gon is the greatest Jedi that utilized the forces ability of sight. He is able to see all.
I agree
I expect nothing less from the man who mentored Batman.
Lol stop
YO.. Well said.
It's because Qui Gon had an opposing philosophy, but approached the Force in the same manner. He didn't just fear Gui Gon, he feared he was _right._
In legends I think this is why Jacen Solo was so powerful. Like Qui gon he understood the force the way only a few ever have and would often converse with the force before making his decision.
Don't call Canon content "legends," it loans false legitimacy to Disney's bad fanfiction
@@micfail2 don't tell me how to be a fan, you do you and I'll do me. Legends ftw!
@@Troy211 learn to read
@@Troy211 he's agreeing with your sentiment holmes
@@Troy211 durrrrrrrr
I've always loved Qui-gon Jin he was such a fun charachter in episode 1, the fact that he so readily did his own thing against the stiff rules of the jedi order just felt good. He would've been perfectly compatible with Anakin absolutely.
Beautifully told. Qui-Gon is one of my favorite characters. I've always felt him, and his role or purpose have been greatly undervalued. Such an impactful character with an amazing story. Thanks for this video Stupendous Wave, you did Qui-Gon justice.
If he was alive a little longer, Qui Gon would've been the first Jedi to truly sense Palpatine and his machinations. He followed the will of the Force and not the Jedi dogma. This made him far more attuned to the Force than anyone else on the Council. Not the most skilled or "most powerful" but he was the most in touch with the Force itself at the cost of everything else...
The will of the force was literally to find balance, though. When Qui was alive, the force was *heavily* skewed towards the light side, with the sith and dark jedi being purged for literally centuries prior.
If anything, the will of the force would have told him "don't get in the way of palpatine, bro".
yeah but instead dooku was the only one who knew and nobody listened to him. Dooku was playing both sides but still trying to help the jedi.
@@mavor101 balance in the force does not mean the same amount of sith and jedi, that's the most stupid repeated thought i've heard, not once is that implied in the entire series.
@@Myhaay I see. And you think having thousands of light-side wielders running around spreading light everywhere, with literally less than a handful of dark side users doing the same, is "balance"?
I think you need to look up the definition of balance my man.
@@mavor101 since when are they spreading anything? jedi's aren't priests, they don't go around teaching anyone about the force except their padawans, why does your small ass brain think that balance means equal numbers? maybe so many species are ruthless and greedy that it evens out, why can't that be a dark side influence? why does it have to be sith? because they have red laser swords?
So here's a 2 part question then:
1) How would Qui Gon have reacted to the clone army
2) What would Qui Gon have done if he had been the one Fives told his findings to?
He probably wouldn't have liked the Clone Army at all and refused to command any of them. And had he heard what Fives said about his findings he probably would've gotten the agitated clone to calm down. But he would've believed him completely. An act upon them he would.
As far as the first part is concerned, I'd imagine that Qui Gon wouldn't like the idea of the Clone Army but wouldn't let that taint his interactions with the clones if he was made to fight in the Clone Wars as Obi-Wan and Anakin were.
We've already seen in a number of clone legions, there's a kind of top-down influence on how the clones of a legion behave relative to how good their relationship is with both their respective Jedi General as well as their Clone Commander. Knowing that Qui Gon was a highly compassionate man who sees rules and regulations more as guidelines and suggestions, on top of being highly driven by intuition, his legion would look and act the same in addition to being very against the grain with their approach to the war.
With that in mind, it also kind of answers the second part of the question in that not only would Qui Gon believe Fives, his entire legion would likely be filled with soldiers *just like* Fives.
@@munge3563---And entire Clone Legion filled with clones like Fives and commanded by Qui-Gon would be quite a scenario.
@@brokenbridge6316he probably would have the clones we done with his Jedi blood and then he would have his own Jedi clone army
@@BrianLamar-es3my---Perhaps
I really love Qui-Gon. He embodies what the Jedi should be. What Light should be. Great video! May the Force be with you too. And may it guide you always!
Anakin would not have turned if Qui Gon lived to train him.
Fax bro
He would, because that's was Anakin's path all the time.
Remember, Qui Gon's philosophy turns around the idea that we are just servants of the force.
Whatever happened, it happened for a purpose.
If Anakin didn't turned into Vader, he would never fullfil his destiny and bring balance to the force again.
@@mechamedeamigo3984 I have to disagree with this. Palpatine preyed on the fact that Anakin had taken a lover, that he was much older than other students normally are begin their training. Obiwan was a great jedi whom took alot of Quigon's training to heart, but he still didn't have the connection that Quigon did. Quigon's training of Anakin would have been different than how he was trained by Obiwan. I think Anakin would have felt comfortable in confiding in Quigon about his relationship with Padme, he wouldn't have had to turn to Palpatine, even if he had the vision of her dying in child birth he would have went to Quigon about it first. From what I remember Padme died because she lost the will to live, Anakin didn't know that her death in that vision was the result of his turning to the dark side. Quigon's connection to the force could have given him the wisdom to understand this and guide him down the proper path. Either way, I doubt it would have gotten to that point anyways. By the time Anakin was a young adult Sideous had already cast a veil of darkness over the jedi and was making his moves. Quigon would have picked up on this and dispatched him. Palpatine wouldn't have been there to tempt him with the darkside, and Quigon could have guided him through the tumult of emotions caused by him growing up as a slave and having to leave his mother behind.
In that case I think that Quigon would have been the one to bring about balance, his views didn't adhere to the rigidity of the jedi, and I think Ashla and Bogan could have been represented in harmony within him at that point.
@@mrlizard6529Anakin having a happy ending doesn't necessarily bring balance though, it just consolidates the jedi as the main military force in the galaxy, and one that was easily manipulated by political influence and also very rigid in their way of thinking.
The ending in the return of the jedi makes sense to me because it brings true balance by striking the empire and redeeming vader in a context where an overly dominating jedi order couldn't be possible.
What the fudges are you even talking bout!? Qui gon didn’t get killed by Darth Maul! He planned his death & let red boi slay him to set da events in motion so he could go all force Ghosty & let young Ani cook & become evil
I’ve said it before, the most consequential event in Episode I was Qui-gons death, not the discovery of the chosen one. Anakin needed a father, not a brother. The Jedi council was so focused on the big picture that they were blinded to what was happening right around them.
Exactly, Obi-Wan was good at many things, but was definitely not equipped to deal with a teenagers mental issues and trauma. His pedagogy was terrible.
I think... he needed both.
Quigon Jin is one of the best Jedi ever! Liam Neeson did such a spectacular job in his performance. It always guts me (pun intended) watching his death scene. 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦
So why did he lose to a Sith apprentice?
@@JohnSmith-wr7lgDarth Maul was a fucking badass warrior wielding a double sided lightsaber that’s why. Almost won the 2v1
@@jagmaster8647 No… he almost won two 1v1s
Ole Jin had big brass 🎱s and his first name is the definition for nonchalant. He liked to go “off the reservation” whenever he wanted.
@@JohnSmith-wr7lg fair enough
Good point. Had Qui Gon lived he would’ve trained Anakin as his padawan. Obi-Wan would’ve been free to be a Jedi Knight, at least initially. He would’ve been the one to ponder the question “If Maul was the apprentice, then where is the master?” Dooku might not have been tempted by the Dark Side or at least Qui Gon’s death would’nt have been the last straw that lead to his turn. The moment when Yoda said, “Take Senator Amidala back to Naboo,” Obi-Wan would’ve probably been the one to protect her. When Anakin started having visions of his mother in peril, Qui Gon would’ve counseled him in the ways of the Force. Or it’s highly possible that Anakin goes anyways back to Tattoine and slaughters the sandpeople. But that would mean Qui Gon is on Geonosis where Dooku tells him that everything has been manipulated by a Dark Lord of The Sith. I could go on
Kreia would HATE Qui Gon so much.
Now that’s a fascinating interaction. They are like the duality of those who listen to the Living Force. Kreia who follows the path of silent destruction, control, and chaos, but uses peace in service of her greater cause. Jinn who follows the path of peace, release, and morality, but uses chaos as a tool in service of the greater cause.
An oversimplification to be sure. But interesting nonetheless.
So basically.... Qui gon jinn was so dangerous because he didn't follow orders.... makes you think of something else doesn't it? 😅
Sounds to me like he heard and obeyed the voices In his own head, no matter what. Outside of the Star Wars universe, they call that delusional, sociopathic behavior. There's a movie called "Frailty" that brilliantly illustrates this. It stars Bill Paxton, and it's a classic thriller.
@bsb1975 i understand your point
"You have been well trained, my young apprentice.
They [Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan, together] will be no match for you."
- Darth Sidious to Darth Maul.
Maul must have been remembering those words with fondness after being cut in half.
@@SingleTax Not by Qui-Gon, though.
@@SylvaHodracyrda Yes, Maul defeated an old man -- before being defeated himself by a lowly padawan. Your boyfriend lost. Deal with it.
@@SingleTax There's a reason why Star Wars fans are regarded as among the lowest types.
Good work on keeping the stereotype alive.
@@SylvaHodracyrda Sorry, didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
1:58 when said this line about how he felt about the code, my immediate thought was the pirates of the Caribbean scene that the code is more guidelines than actual rules.
Literally my thoughts exactly😂
A prophet is always the one to consider first. Of all the Jedi he knew Quigon could not be turned and stood between him and Anakan.
The Jedi were entrapped in a bureaucratic loop of self destruction. The order became too political, too enthralled with influencing those in rule. They became followers of the Jedi Order rather than followers of the force.
Qui Gon was a throwback to the true Jedi Order of the past. He was a true follower of the force and was not blinded by the above mentioned issues. He was able to see the truth more clearly, and Palpatine knew that would be the Sith order’s downfall if left unchecked.
Your tale about qui gon in the cave killing the sleeping beast is exactly why i think qui gon knew it was his time in phantom menace. If the force told qui gon to peace out he would have done it with no hesitation.
I truly hope we get a Star Wars what if someday… and obviously “What If Qui Gon killed Maul” is one of the episodes
Jinn - "I do as I must". He did what he always felt was right. Jinn will always be one of my favorite and I do believe he was one of the more skilled lightsaber combatants. Other than Jedi like Yoda and Mace and a few others I believe most wouldve fell to Maul immediately on Tattooine as none of them had encountered a sith in a 1000 yrs, most would not have known what to do as the Jedi took on saber forms to deal with blaster fire in an era with no sith, Jinn did great considering he was in his older years already. If I had to take 5 jedi into combat it would be Jinn, Mace, Plo-koon, lightside Dooku and Obi-wan. If I had to take jedi that will do what is right and are listeners to the will of the force then probably just Jinn lol or Plo.
I grew up reading Cloak of Deception, Legacy of the Jedi, Call to Vengeance the Apprentice series. Qui Gon became my favorite jedi immediately as a kid. So I appreciate the Qui Gon love.
If Anakin had trained under Quigon he would have become the true avatar of the force. His complete potential would have been unlocked and he would have had power not seen since Legends while remaining in the light. The sith would have been casually swatted aside and utterly crushed beneath his heel. They were wise to fear Quigon.
Qui Gon Gin is what made me, as a young boy fall in love with the Jedi. It was many years later that i realised that he was more of a Grey Jedi.
He embodies what i believe to be the best qualities in a force wielder. Im glad to see more content for him.
I like to think that because of his deep connection to the force Qui Gon 'sensed' something was "off" or "different" about Palpatine. He could sense the dark side truth in him.
Yoda also sensed something was “off” about palpatine. I remember him giving him that suspicious look in aotc.
@@rduva115 He did give him the side eye. Haha.
@@rduva115 That was the *real* difference between Qui-Gon and the other Jedi, though. They could feel something, but they wouldn't act on just a feeling. He was the only Master who would have filleted the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic because his gut said it was the right play at that moment.
A Jedi or Master that can yield completely to the force is a very dangerous person
Qui Gon had a very particular set of skills. The sort of skills that would make him a nightmare for Sith like Palpatine.
I am, of course, moved to wonder just how much of Qui-Gon Jinn's iconoclastic attitude resulted from his apprenticeship to Jedi Master Dooku. Eventually he grew beyond Dooku's habitual mistrust in temporal authority (politicians, etc.) to accept the guidance of The Force as the most important waypoint for his personal compass. It would be very interesting indeed to explore more thoroughly the mentor/protégé relationship between Dooku and Qui-Gon than has previously been done.
We need a "What If" series to see what would have happened had Qui-Gon survived that battle. I would love to see how absolutely powerful Anakin would have truly become if he was not so damaged on Mustafar.
If/when Qui-Gon learned about Anakin and Padme, I think he would have tried to help Anakin keep Padme safe. Qui-Gon was willing to bend the rules a little without ever really abandoning his loyalty to the Jedi and more importantly to the Force itself. THIS is what Sidious feared...someone else that Anakin could trust.
Star wars multi-verse. Don't give Disney any ideas lol
Quigone was not held down by any personal agenda . He was pure in heart and had no need praise , money or position . He could see beyond the superficial and the arrogance of the Jedi council . He had to be removed - he would have destroyed Palpatine .
Darth Sidious is afraid of Qui-Gon Jinn because of his intelligence Qui-Gon was a very smart Jedi
Too bad they didn’t bring 10 extra Jedi for Maul. Guess the council had better things to do… like meditate on chairs.
I think Qui-Gon is just more intelligent than the other Jedi
@@anthonyp6896 Intelligent enough to back up when the gate opened and wait for Obi Wan. Why not pull Maul to him? Hell why not leave Maul trapped in that area and just stand back with Obi Wan. Like… you come to us bub. We will wait all day. Hey Obi Wan? Do you have your cell phone? Those little Hologram things we call on? Inform the masters we have a Sith trapped in a corner.
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@@JohnSmith-wr7lg you know that's actually a great pt. A sith appears after how long, and they send a 1 weak jedi and his apprentice.
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Thank you for making this video, I have always been drawn to Qui-gon's way of thinking. I hope and also do not hope (as the story being told needs to be handled with the utmost care) they delve deeper into his past.
So the Sith Feared Qui-Gon because he was the perfect Jedi, hands down. Yeah that makes sense.
Yeah, honestly if Star Wars was ever to do a "What-if" style TV Show. A season 1 finale (maybe even a whole arc) would be "What if Qui-Gon survived" as it'd likely result in an incredibly different version of the Star Wars universe.
Qui-Gon was not a warrior at heart. He was a spiritual teacher, a wise man, a healer, a person who could comfort those in pain. Qui-Gon didn’t lecture like Obiwan or Yoda. Qui-Gon listened and reassured you that everything would be okay. Qui-Gon was the role model Anakin desperately needed. Darth Maul’s violent nature killed Qui-Gon.
100% is qui gon survived anakin stays good
The Force decided he needed to die. The whole point of Anakin was to bring balance, and if Qui Gon had lived he never would have as he wouldnt have turned. Qui Gon also learned how to live forever through the Force, which he taught Yoda and Obi Wan who in turn used that knowledge to be there for the training of Luke so he could defeat/redeem Vader.
A lot was riding on Qui Gon dying. It doesnt seem to be an accident, it was necessary so all the events it set it motion would happen.
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Qui Gon was an amazing Jedi Master. He’s my favorite Jedi next to Grandmaster Yoda.
Whenever I played lego star wars with my little brother he used to make me take qui-gon until we could get a better character and I'd end up sticking with qui-gon through every level of the game
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Thank you for this video - Qui Gon has long been a personal favorite; very cool to dive a little deeper into what makes him such a compelling character. 👍🏼
Time index 5:00, you state that Qui Gonn used the force to manipulate the dice so that he could be assured of winning Anakin and not his mother and that it was 'unbecoming' of a Jedi. While that may be true, there is a really GOOD chance that the die was already 'rigged' since Watto declared the terms of the roll as what each side meant. Qui Goon could simply have been fighting back as he could. Watto did seem surprised at the result.
If Im not mistaken it's confirmed somewhere that he was using weighted dice.
@@paulitics6931 As soon as Watto produced the die and declared what the result would mean I was suspicious and it proved Watto had no clue what a jedi could do.
What he said when meeting Jar-Jar is also very vital to his character. "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent". Qui Gon was far more aware of all the subtle nuances. And far more calculating and calm than any other force user at the time. He would have understood the reasoning behind what Palpatine was saying.
Liam really made this role come to life. It couldn't have been any other actor. Absolutely one of my favorite Jedi for all the things you touched on. I was drawn to his wisdom in the movie.
I always thought that old Obi-Wan Kenobi (episode IV) was equal to his teacher, Qui-Gon. And I think Palpatine was also afraid of Obi-Wan after his death since Obi was able to get "immortality" which Palpatine could never obtain.
Loved this! Re: the last statement about Luke being close -- I would love to see a meditation on Luke's mastery in Ep. 8 to fight the entire First Order from the other side of the galaxy. That. was a pretty epic Force move.
I firmly believe that if Qui-Gon trained Anakin, he would have stayed on the Light Side
Qui-Gon was probably the closest to the original Jedi way out of all of the late republic Order--none of the Council even came close to his relationship with the Force and his resolve to serve it.
Because he knew Qui Gon had a particular set of skills, skills which he had acquired over a very long career, skills which made him a nightmare for a person like Palpatine.
He wasn't the most dangerous with the skill and power, but he was the most dangerous by heart and mind, which is influential.
I wonder what Kreia would have to say about Qui Gon and his relationship with the force. I would argue that she would say that it was the force itself that led to his death in yet another attempt to “bring balance”
She probably would've said that, but she would likely be wrong in her assertion. The Force wanted Qui Gon to win. But as Lucas has said, we have destiny...but we also have free will. It is possible for Palpatine and Maul's free will to postpone destiny.
From what I can tell, the Force wants to take the path to destiny(balance) that contains the least resistance. But the ego over-complicates things, and creates a long and winding path of suffering that leads to destiny eventually being fulfilled anyway. The Force will achieve balance, no matter how long is takes...no matter how many cycles it takes. It will happen. Its up to everyone how much generational suffering that will involve.
That said, my opinion on the Force is somewhere in the middle of Kreia and Qui Gon's. Kreia's skepticism is highly relatable. The Force must be a flawed lifeforce if it relies on it's creatures to attain balance for it. On the other hand, if everyone lived in a Force-led utopia, then that harmony will indeed be achieved.
I am not sure. Certainly she would have made a case for following blindly and not making your own choices, of being influenced and not influencing: used, not using. Yet at the same time, I get the feeling that Qui-Gon's results would have impressed her: averting the loss of life amongst other things. Certainly his unique relationship with the Force would have been of interest, but then we come back to blind obedience. Yet perhaps the Living Force seek not balance, like the Force Kreia hates, but simply more life.
Glad to see Evil West mentioned on here. It gave me back that “I just got a cool looking game from blockbuster and I’m gonna do nothing but play it all weekend” feeling and felt so purely nostalgic to the ps2/3 era. Criminally underrated, much love to it.
Great vid! Would like to see more covered on master Qui Gon and Obi-Wan if you haven’t already. Their tales must be legendary.
Qui Gon was just a honest, respectful, powerful, honourable characteristic to himself, compatriots and to the Force
I always loved the character of Qui Gon Jinn. This was a fantastic deep dive!
They knew he had a very particular set of skills. Skills he acquired over a very long career. Skills that made him a nightmare for people like them.
Obviously He Trained Batman, Space Jesus and Adopted The Chosen One and about to train him thats why palpy feared him 🗿☠️
The idea of Qui-Gon figures things out says he going to go kill the sith lord and ask the council to join him and walks them to chambers and and attacks with out explanation why hes gunning for chancellor. Is very funny to me.
However, I supect that listening to the will of the force might have led Anakin down the dark side path after all, because it was the will of the force to vanquish the corrupted jedi order. That and the subsequent removal of the emperor from power, was both required to "bring balance to the force".
I have to disagree with this. As Qui-Gon Jinn would have listened to the Force, and know that he was no match for the Sith, thus he would have taken Anakin with him on his travels along with Obi-Wan, and secretly train Anakin, since he knew that Anakin would have been the key to destroying the Sith threat. Even if the Clone Wars did happen, he would have been perceptive enough to find out about the inhibitor implant in every clone trooper, and act to stop Order 66 before it could be carried out.
Even if he couldn't do anything, he would have likely been able to survive Order 66, and continue to train Anakin. Now, this may be going out on a limb, but I would say that this would be where Anakin would have become a 'Grey Jedi' in that he was serving the Force directly and not as part of the Jedi Order. There are plenty of reasons as to why Qui-Gon Jinn has been referred to as a 'Grey Jedi' before, since he listens to the Force, and treats the Code of the Jedi as a guideline and not as a law. Qui-Gon was far more proactive than most of the Jedi, as he would act to eliminate dangers before they became threats, rather than react after the fact like most Jedi did by that time.
I also like the idea that Qui-Gon was more similar to the Jedi of the Hyperspace Wars in KOTOR and SWOTOR, who were more proactive during that time period. I could also see him allowing Anakin to marry Padme and helping with the raising and training of Luke and Leia. Once the Jedi Order was reestablished, I could see Qui-Gon Jinn rising to the rank of Grandmaster alongside Yoda once Sidious/Palpatine was defeated by Anakin, and training new generations of Jedi as they should have been. I could also see him relaxing restrictions such as allowing Jedi to marry and have children, as one of the reasons why Anakin resisted falling to the Dark Side for so long was that Padme was his emotional support, his rock, though that only delayed his fall to the Dark Side.
@@fenrirgaming37 I agree with this. I think that if Qui-Gon had lived and been able to properly train Anakin, the trio of Jinn, Kenobi, and Skywalker would have defeated Palpatine and "destroyed" the Jedi order by getting rid of rules that were in place simply to be rules. The Jedi by that time were arrogant, told to be detached, and to always listen to the Council. The core idea of not being allowed to love was incredibly foolish. Yes, love can lead us to do terrible things. But being detached from the world is only handicapping the Jedi. I mean, look at the real world. People are able to overcome the biological limits our brain puts on our bodies to prevent us from breaking our own bones and tearing muscles when they need to rescue or protect a loved one.
The Jedi would be infinitely more powerful if they could live a more normal life and be able to be honest with each other and the Order. Yoda's Order was weak and needed to be destroyed. Not necessarily though the culling of the Jedi, but at least mentally.
@@BuzzedtheTower I don't think all Jedi were arrogant, but I do agree that a majority of the Jedi Order at that time was corrupt/arrogant.
Those like Yoda though I would say were the more balanced Jedi. Mace Windu and the others that dogmatically adhered to the Code of the Jedi like it was law were what weakened the Jedi Order.
Also, I don't think a culling would be needed, but a restructuring of the Order, as well as all Jedi being retrained from scratch after showing them the error of their ways.
@@fenrirgaming37 Oh, I don't think a culling was needed either. I meant the dogmatic obedience to order and the rules needed to be culled. The Jedi at the time were essentially an old, highly bureaucratic company. They needed new management to break that part and create a new environment where the next generation could thrive.
@@fenrirgaming37I wonder how things would have progressed with Dooku if Qui Gon was still around.
Dooku may not have turned at all. And even if he did, moments like Dooku revealing Sideous to an ignorant Obi Wan on Geonosis would have been taken seriously.
Sideous might not have been able to get the Clone Wars off the ground which would have screwed up a lot of his plan.
So if Qui Gon had lived, and "Trained the boy". He would have been able to keep Anakin away from wanting to be a master. Something Anakin wanted. That would have kept him away from the darkside. Obi Wan "may" not have been important if Qui didn't die. He would have trained Anakin to learn the living force and to embrace it, rather than "praise". And Sidious would have not had his prize.
Anakin would have learned to trust the force and follow the will of the force rather than trying to bend it to his will. Qui-Gon would be more of a father figure while Obi-Wan is more of an older brother. Also with Anakin Obi-Wan felt obligated to train him in place of his master, which is a different relationship than Qui-Gon had who chose to train him. It's also not stated but there was always rivalry between Anakin and Obi-Wan in their abilities with the force and saber dueling. Something that simply would not exist with Qui-Gon.
I think Qui-Gon would have left the order to train Anakin, and keep him far from the plots on Coruscant.
Qui Gon JIn was always my favorite jedi since 1999! Thank you for a video!
In some ways Qui-gon Jinn had the seen similar mindset of Revan. Now I'm not saying that he followed revan's ways like an acolyte, but rather the viewpoint of how the force should be perceived.
I also want to believe too that Jinn had inadvertently saw the corruption of the Senate as well as the Jedi just like how his master Dooku had done, which is why he never felt like he deserve to be on the council.
In a way Dooku was right about Qui-Gon. Both him and Qui-Gon were disillusioned with the system. It was corrupt and did no longer serve the people it claimed to do. Corruption ran deep in both the senate and the Jedi order. But Dooku switched to the dark side, while Qui-Gon simply followed the will of the force. Gui-Gon was never interested in power or working with government, or for government. But simply follow the will of the force.
Nice video! Somebody said on a vid I watched recently, "It's (the music track for the Darth Maul fight in Episode 1) called 'Duel of the Fates' because if Qui-Gon hadn't died, Anakin's entire life would've been vastly different."
Would have been interesting to see how things would have unfolded if Qui-Gon Jin survived the encounter with Maul and proceeded to be in active duty and see how the whole saga would have been affected by it.
Not to mention he was the one who unlocked force ghost powers. When they struck him down he became more powerful than they could have possibly imagined
Awesome analysis! I thoroughly enjoyed this. Thanks for the excellent work. May the force be you!
It actually goes deeper than that. Qui Gon Jinn was also an apprentice to the illustrious Count Dooku. He had lamented being Dooku's Padawan. However, it was the way Dooku had trained Qui Gon Jinn that eventually led him to the path of the will of the living force. And as we know, Dooku was Padawan to the Grand Master himself Yoda. Dooku before his fall was part of the "Lost Twenty" the Jedi who have left the order. And he was once held in VERY high esteem by both his fellow Jedi Masters, and the Jedi Order at large being one of its greatest Lightsaber Duelists.
But Qui Gon as Count Dooku had said: "If anyone would understand my actions, it would be Qui Gon". Also, I don't think that Qui Gon Jinn was a Jedi Master, as he only very reluctantly took a Padawan learner. And in fact it was said in Legends that Obi Wan Kenobi was on the verge of being "dismissed" if a Jedi Knight would not take him under his/her wing. I can't remember what he did, but he impressed Qui Gon so much that he did take Kenobi as his Padawan. And like himself, Obi Wan was also deemed pure in the light. And like Darth Marr of old, Qui Gon upon his death opened himself completely to the force and was able to communicate from the Jedi netherworld. An ability Obi Wan used later.
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3:23 Qui Gon playing 5K chess and killing space monster H*tler 🫡🫡🫡
Have you heard the tale Qui Gon jinn the wise
I'm at 1:37, I'm gonna try to answer before I watch the rest.
He was a true Jedi. Unlike the others in the order, he genuinely sought to pursue the will of the force and not simply conform to established structure and thinking. What made Palpatine so effective was the arrogance and political corruption of the Jedi that blinded them. They effectively made themselves the military arms of the Government instead of disciples of the Force.
Qui Gon didn't have that problem and because of who he was never would have.
Love Qui Gon Jinn
qui gon just wordlessly taking a lightsaber swing at "Chancelor" Palps would be hilarious and yeah, would probably mess up palpys plans if he did it in public/witnesed
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Qui-Gon Jin is the equivalent of the Messianic figure, the one who obeys only the living Will beyond his own and is often at odds with the elect/religious counsel, and he, like a saviour, saw the written rules and law as suggestions that are allowed to be broken if the Will wills it. Besides, a Messianic figure is not out there to save every single one but rescues those that the Force Wills, not to mention that such figure is a walking serenity, an absolute calm and can soothe aching despair even at the end of their life.
All of this is the reason that the ultimate antithesis to the Will of the Force is Darth Sideous, since he is out to make everything for himself, and every thing and every one is to be used and discarded when they are either a hindrance to him or become useless, a mockery to the Will of the Force, since Sideous' own will is the most important thing to him if not to just spite at the Will of the Force. Of course, like a true devil, he respects the power of the Force and all of its varieties and counters, whether they be light and dark side of the Force, he just derides the Will of the Force in spite just to satisfy his own will.
In terms of spiritual realm of the Force, the Force will favour Qui-Gon above all else, even to that of Anakin and Luke Skywalker, and since Sideous is naturally inferior to just a weakened Anakin alone, and they all three were the result of the acts of Qui-Gon submission to the Will of the Force, it is quite palpable why Sideous must rid of him.
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i think his attunement to the force was on par with yoda but he didnt want to be tied to any leadership role because it means you lose flexibility to follow the will of the force yoda was great but he was stuck at the temples most of the time unable to explore and move freely thats what held him back and helped Sidious
The most underrated and under-appreciated Jedi.
My question is: how was Qui-Gon killed by getting STABBED IN THE GUT, while Maul was CUT IN HALF, and Maul SURVIVED?!…. CANONICALLY, no less!
To quote The Grand Inquisitor from Kenobi Series: "Revenge does do wonders for the will to live, don't you find?"
Mual surviving was dumb and always dumb.
@@MegaDarkness5000sanctioned by George Lucas, but no less dumb for that reason
If I had to guess it's explained along the lines of "something something Zabrak physiology something something"
I'm going to say something possibly very stupid. Maul used all his dark side power to concentrate on staying alive. His wounds were cauterized, so it wouldn't have been that hard once the shock wore off, he'd have a ton of pain to fuel his rage.
Qui Gon maybe could have survived, but he'd been stabbed in the spine, he'd never walk again. Knowing this, maybe he remembered his training and put all his energy into preserving his consciousness after death.
I chose Qui-Gon as my favorite Jedi a long time ago. I guess now I understand why. It sucks that he died in Phantom Menace.
the stupendous wave but if I'm being honest the prophecy of the chosen one destined to bring balance to the force which is Anakin Skywalker was never meant to be a Jedi or sith but something even much more a force wielder because in the Clone Wars mortis Arc Anakin Skywalker tamed and subdued the son and the daughter not as a Jedi nor sith but as a force wielder which brings me to my point exactly you better to train teach mentor and master Anakin Skywalker not the Jedi,sith,mortis god's or force priestesses but the force itself his creator his father which is in Star Wars Canon like I said
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the stupendous wave in Star Wars Canon the only Jedi that could have saved Anakin Skywalker help him reach his true full potential as the prophesized chosen one destined to bring balance to the force save his mother be with Padme is always and forever Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn and you know it you all do
Sidious had much to fear. In "Master and Apprentice," in the two years prior to TPM, Count Dooku was actively recruiting his two former apprentices to join him on Serenno where he intended to teach them some ways of the Dark Side. Of course Dooku didn't phrase it that way saying, "I have learned how to tap great power." Both Rael Aveross and Qui-Gon declined, but had they joined him and learned to master both sides of the Force like Dooku, Sidious might have been in a very tough spot indeed.
Now I'm punching the air imagining an alternate line where he never dies.
He gets to see the honorable Jedi Obi Wan gets to be. Feeling proud.
He gets to raise Anakin, keeping him on a positive path and leading him to be not only the most powerful Jedi but also one of the wisest.
Etc etc etc
On the other hand, the Force let him die for a reason, and he accepted this. The Jedi Order had to fall and be completely rebuilt from the ground up--it had become too arrogant and corrupt to be reformed. Qui-Gon couldn't save the Jedi from themselves, no individual could.
If only the Sequels had actually paid that off with a rebuilt Jedi Order under Luke Skywalker that actually lived up to Qui-Gon's ideals. That's the missed opportunity that makes me punch the air.
@@Cryptic0013 I do agree but if Qui-Gon was able to mentor Anakin in his conflicted years, he could just have told the boy to stop being such a little bitch and grow up for gods sake. He would have probably even fought Anakin over that. But would have also dove deep into facing Annies traumas together. Obi-Wan in that time was too busy keeping the peace and juggling influence to deal with Anakins mental problems.
Qui-Gon's body may be easily stabbed, but beneath said body was an idea.
Ideas are bullet, saber, and lightning proof.
Also, maybe The Force couldn't keep Padme from dying (its' will can clearly be ignored by even the Jedi) but maybe it could keep her alive long enough for Luke and Leia to be born, nudging events towards the Original Trilogy.
A line I've always appreciated as hugely important is almost a throwaway one from Dooku - "Qui-Gon knew all about the corruption on the Senate". If he'd lived, not only would he have provided the stable father figure that Anakin needed, he would have kept him far from Palpatine's influence. For that reason alone he was dangerous to the Sith.
How telling is it that Qui Gon was someone who turned out to be the best, purest student of the light side of the Force and yet was constantly at odds with the Jedi, particularly the High Council?
To me, that just goes to show how much the Jedi strayed from their true ways and how much they had already fallen even before Palpatine enacted his plan throughout the course of the prequels.
What would have happened if during the clone wars the Jedi council found out about the active Sith shrine under the Jedi temple?
Finally some justice for Qui Gon. Without him out of the frame the Jedi would not have fallen illustrates it all. Great video.
I would fear him too I hear he has a very particular set of skills