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- Missed a censor, but we're big kids, we can take it.
This one was tiring. By golly.
Please be kind to each other.
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SOURCES REFERENCED
"Transgender Health Issues" by Sarah Boslaugh
2015 National Transgender Survey
"Factors Leading to “Detransition” Among Transgender and Gender Diverse People in the United States: A Mixed-Methods Analysis": www.ncbi.nlm.n...
"Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence": www.ncbi.nlm.n...
"Abstract: A Survey Study of Surgeons’ Experience with Regret and/or Reversal of Gender-Confirmation Surgeries": www.ncbi.nlm.n...
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As someone who is recently detransitioning after two months on T and several years of gender dysphoria, thank you so much for this.
It's a conversation that deserves the nuance it needs and I'm so tired of it being treated black and white, that all detransitioners are transphobic and all trans people should be wary of them. My views on transness have not changed since detransitioning, I've just come to the conclusion that it is not the path forward to me, and that doesn't mean I still don't struggle with all the things I did before.
Its because trans ideology is a cult...
Thanks for sharing. Trans man here. I started T (9 months ago now) with some very specific goals. The biggest hoping that it would alleviate what I term hormonal dysphoria. It did that within weeks and I was so happy. But I knew that if it didn't help with that, that I'd probably stop taking T. It wouldn't have changed my thoughts on being trans or anything.
The experiences of people in your situation absolutely need to be held up more within the community. Trans people are bludgeoned with anti-trans detransitions stories so often that it feels like those are the only stories out there. They aren't. They aren't even the majority. Just most loud and blasted at us and the resto of the world.
Please keep speaking up. Your voice is valueable and needs to be valued.
@@CorwinFound a man is an adult male person
@@saynotohate8074 If you are gonna be transphobic, at least be interesting or intelligent about it. How do you know I'm not male? Do you even know the 5 criteria scientists and doctors use to establish sex of an individual? There are many trans people out there who meet 60-80+% of those criteria. And many cis people who do NOT even reach that. Putting that aside, "man" is a social construct. The word man (and woman) has existed for centuries before the idea of scientific sex and has always been based on identity and social roles. I am a man and I can guess a better one than you.
@@saynotohate8074 what's your point?
I know someone who detransitioned. He's still warmly accepted and very involved in the trans community. They gave him support and community. ❤
I've thought about this for a long time but never wanted to say anything. I wonder if we came out in front of it if more people would actually transition. Detranstion was more scary for me that transition because what if I was wrong and the people who loved me would hate me. Thanks for you video. I've moved passed those feelings and don't feel that way anymore but I think it let me be more empathetic towards detranstioners. Thanks for the video! You did a good job.
I'm really glad to hear you're past that thinking, it's a very scary place to be. I think some of the reluctance to talk about people who detransition comes down to remembering those scary feelings and not being able to process them--at least for many of the more defensive people. It's not easy to turn a negative experience into empathy, and you should be proud of yourself for doing that.
@@FinntasticMrFox so shouldn't the diagnosis process be looked at?
If its a medical condition, how is it being misdiagnosed?
I agree wholeheartedly, it helps absolutely no one to alienate them even more than they are ebeing, and helps absolutely everyone if we show compassion, support, empathy, and understanding. Listening to someone and being kind is never a bad thing.
There's actually another phenomenon that is fairly similar to the detransition topic and is worth being addressed. That topic being OCD themes that center around sexual orientation and gender identity. For the uninitiated obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is a condition marked by an individual being burdened by intrusive thoughts (obsessions) that cause anxiety, which then leads to them performing repetitive actions (compulsions) in order to alleviate that anxiety. The thoughts can center around just about anything and can range from mundane (did I lock the door?) to really really disturbing (what if I lose control and cause harm to someone). In this particular case, the thoughts center around uncertainty around one's sexual orientation or gender identity, and the uncertainty leads them to engage in behaviors to "check" their reaction to certain stimuli, such as looking at both gay and straight porn and seeing what gets them more aroused or picturing oneself as the opposite sex to see if it generates a sense of euphoria or not. The key thing to note here is that the thing that drives obsessive-compulsive behavior is the uncertainty, and the fact that no matter how much one engages in checking behavior they won't find any clarity, in fact, it usually makes the obsessions worse in the long run. The only way to treat this is to accept the uncertainty, resist the need to immediately know the answer to these questions, and just let it sit, over time the thoughts will diminish and the anxiety along with it. It's also worth mention that while this is usually understood as a straight/cis person being afraid that they're actually gay/trans, it can work for any combination of sexuality/gender identity (a gay person fearing that they might actually be straight or a trans person who fears they might actually be cis).
The reason I bring this all up is because it seems like this is a prime target for the right if they ever catch wind of it because this extremely small minority of people (as in far less than there are genuine gay/trans people) can be weaponized in the same way as detransitioners (look at these people who thought they were trans but actually weren't), and so I feel that as progressives and members of the LGBT community, we need to build a bridge with these people so they can feel welcome because if we don't extend the hand first, the right will.
Fantastic comment/point, thank you for this. As a trans and bi person with OCD, I know my intrusive thoughts, compulsions, and control issues have a whole lot to do with my identity in myriad ways. Had I approached my journey through that lens, it would have been a lot more challenging.
As a trans guy with ocd,
I differentiate because I KNOW what ocd FEELS like and altho ocd affects all aspects of my life in subtle ways, dysphoria has never been influenced by ocd. Body dysphormiphia has but that has more to do with my weight then with my gender stuff. Ocd has nothing to do with the fact that I want a dick and a different born structure and facial hair etc. Ocd affects how obsessive I am with dieting and working out, but not dysphoria
Also testosterone helped my ocd a lot.
However my parents used to and still do believe that me "thinking I'm trans" is "just ocd"
I was forced to research the hell out of this and even at one point posted my whole mental proces on the transocd subreddit
And you know what the comments said? They said it sound like I have the reverse, cis ocd. I'm a trans guy who has worries and intrusive thoughts that he's actually cis and going to detransition. And they were right. Those thoughts do feel like ocd.
People with ocd can tell what is and is not ocd
It's an interesting topic, and I'm not surprised that the vast majority of people who "detransition" still identify as trans. I find the the topic odd, because it seems to assume that a medical transition isn't successful unless the person reaches the "goal" of permanently living as the "opposite" gender. The word seems to have the connotation that it was a mistake or a bad decision in the first place.
There are many reasons why some trans people take HRT temporarily, and labelling all of these people "detransitioners" isn't necessarily accurate. I know at least a few nonbinary people who were once on hrt, tried it for a bit, then went off it. Some set out with the goal to end up with a body which was more androgynous- they wanted some changes but not others. Another I know decided to take HRT for a while, then stopped when it felt right for them. For people who decide that HRT is for them, or who just want to try it, then decide that they don't like it, there's nothing wrong if they just consider it a successful experiment. They now know more about who they are.
A million times this. One of the issues here is that people conflate "desist" and "detransition"; the latter is typically used to describe going off hormones or reversing a surgical procedure, and the former describes desisting from one's trans identity, which is extremely rare. The language is really transmedical, and it's definitely a problem.
Yeah, I went on T for a few months to access some of the permanent effects, then stopped because I got what I wanted and didn’t want all of the ongoing effects of staying on it. I didn’t stop being genderqueer
Coming at this from a slightly different angle, I've been working in medical testing for about five years now and... I don't think a lot of people outside the industry really understand how common side effects from medication are. Sure it's written on the packaging but I'm not sure it really sinks in or translates to numbers of people when you read it. I mention this because whatever the condition there are people who react badly to the treatment. Often we don't even know why (though studies to try and reduce side effects are happening). And if someone gets unpleasant side effects then they have to do a cost/benefit analysis on their own treatment; they have to decide if the condition treated is worse then the side effects.
I feel like when you spell that out for most conditions people understand it and have empathy. But everything around trans people and medical treatments for them has become so politicised (in the west anyway) that- Well I feel like people aren't making that direct comparison? It's being treated as some completely separate thing rather then just medical treatment. And even when a treatment is proven to work, is thoroughly tested, is applied correctly, they don't always work out. For a lot of different reasons.
I feel sorry for anyone in that position; where a treatment doesn't work or the side effects are worse then the disease or any of the other ways medical treatment can miss the mark. I don't see why we should hold up being trans as somehow different/separate to other conditions we use medical intervention for.
Good video Finn! All that shade thrown at A.S. lmao
Abigail Shrier more like Abiwail Crier LOL
I am genderqueer, I went on T for a few months to get some of the permanent effects, then I stopped because I didn’t want to continue getting the ongoing effects after I’d already achieved what I wanted. I know I am not a woman and I feel more at home now my body with the permanent effects that took place, but I’m probably counted in detransition statistics because I stopped T
Thank you for making this! Made me wish it had crossed my radar before I made my last video 💜
The background music sounds like police cars at certain points and freaks me out. Also one of my boyfriends is a detransitioner and I love him. It’s nice because he knows what it’s like to transition and can help me out sometimes during mine.
Oop, sorry about the music! I have definitely been listening to podcasts while driving that use siren effects and gotten nervous/pulled over because of it.
I love that you have someone like that in your life, and I respect and admire him a lot for knowing something wasn't right for him, but still being so supportive of trans people and understanding and affirming toward you.
My name is Abigail and I now feel called out on something I don't do lol
You are our Good Abigail representation.
i think you covered most things that should be covered but also probably is room to talk more if you wish to do so later. im not really sure what exactly sure what to say but i imagine that it would be hard to have to detranstion for whatever reason, in most cases genie dosn't want to be put back in the bottle they are glad to be set free. maybe thats a bad example but one of the first things that came to mind.
It's an apt example, honestly. I feel like I "did my time" serving other people by playing the role I was assigned at birth, and the idea of going back now that I'm free from that is terrifying.
Wish I could pin this to the TH-cam homepage.
The introduction of this video is incredible. I mean, this entire video is incredible. Thanks for this, friend. :) ❤
My own experience with this has been that... I don't understand it? Because I haven't had any type of medical transition... And there are several groups for cis men i still have access to because of that specific fact. This is why I am still non-binary. (Insert 4 hour convo about gender.)
My opinion on this now is: bruh, it would be so much easier and nicer if people would simply mind their own business.
That is definitely the dream, and thank you!
the sound is really low
I don't think it's right to say that detransitioners were never truly trans. There is no universal precise definition of trans. For some, being trans requires gender dysphoria, for others, you are trans when you say you are.
At some point detransitioners and transgender people had something in common, they just chose different paths.
I had hoped I'd communicated that more clearly; I definitely feel it's important to acknowledge that many detransitioners are trans. When I say "you either are or you aren't", I'm talking specifically about the people who came to realize that they're cis. For many others, it's a lot more complicated than that, but for those who regard themselves as cis people who made a mistake, it's very important for them to recognize that they're not an authority on trans issues, even if they have a better understanding of transition than most other cis people. They are, by their own definition, not trans.
Similarly, if someone explores same gender sexual activity but comes to realize they're straight, they have more insight into gay/bi/pan sexuality than other straight people, but they're still straight, so it's important that they don't speak over queer voices on issues that impact queer people. I hope that makes sense.
@@FinntasticMrFox yes, now I understand it better, thank you :)
Mara Peregrine that is not really accurate - cis has a definition of identifying the way you were assigned at birth. Kira Belle has said she doesn't ID as a man or nonbinary, but as a woman, even if she hasn't used the word cis. She is involved with a "gender critical" crowd that doesn't like to use the word cis, even if they do identify as a woman while AFAB, or as a man while AMAB, because they don't think there should be a word for "cisgender." they think trans=weird freak and cis = normal so they think "woman" should be assumed to mean *cis* woman, and that a trans woman should always have TRANSwoman tacked on the beginning of the word every time you mention her.
12:30 Yup and I wish people would see this too but as you said, people who geniunely care probably already support trans people and don't think taking away care will help either group and the ones who think that are just excusing their transphobia and probably won't listen to your reason already.
And personally as a trans person, I don't wanna seperate detranstiniors and listen to them especially trans people who detransitioned for lack of support then cis people who detransitioned but it does make me nervous and fail to give me the courage to listen to them all the way through cuz they might actually say something transphobic and I did see a lot of cis detrans people who just get very transphobic after they detransitioned and see every trans person as a "misled lesbian or a gay man" and misgender them
And came to 15:00 that makes more sense but again; with the path Kiara Bell(?) is taking, I doubt she'd listen to our reasons either cuz I remember her working towards making it harder for trans kids to access medical care
But this video did explain and said everything very well
@@kuroyamaevisekai Thank you! And thank you for sharing your thoughts. I completely understand why someone might be apprehensive about engaging with some detransitioners due to the transphobic things they say. I've absolutely seen lots of that. TERFs and transphobes prey on insecurities and it really shows in how some detransitioners talk about their experiences and the trans community. Keira Bell is the best (and most insidious) example because she actively worked to hurt our community, yeah. Having given it more thought, I think I'll have to make a video unpacking that case.
if anyone wants further watching on this i'd highly recommend arthur rockwell's video on detransitioning too!
Please do a video on that case please. From what i understand (from being a cis nonbinairy) it was very unfair what she did (the outcome of the case). Dog bless you and please stay safe and healthy (still)
It definitely is--I can revisit it in further detail and discuss the problems with what she did, for sure.
@@FinntasticMrFox Nice. Thank you! :D
The rate is still low because there aren't long term studies on the influence of social media on this generation. I guess the numbers of people for whom transitioning was not the right choice will explode in the next ten years :(
Absolutely. We will definitely see a shift in the coming years, but I think it's important to remember that the amount of trans people transitioning and thriving is rising significantly. Right now, all the information we have indicates that the increase in detransition is proportional to the increase in transition. As acceptance of trans people improves, we'll likely see a decrease in detransition, because the primary reasons for it are lack of support and discrimination.
Perhaps i can help with hate - wait that sounds wrong
Most of the time hate comes from love - sounds weird, let me explain:
Scenario 1: Often hate comes from those people who love us and who have a profound influence on us when we grow up - i.e. our Family - we want to be accepted by them and fulfill their expectations , which can mean copying the prejeduces they hold towards certain groups of people
Scenario 2: we can only truly hate people who we at one point or another loved - most people don't hate the Person things didn't work out with after the first date - but being cheated on by our partner who was near and dear to us for several years , , , that is something utterly different
Scenario 3: people we love were in the past - in some form or another - hurt and hate develops as a kind of proxy to hate the entire group the person who did the hurting belongs to
Anyways:
Fantasic Video as usual
If we listen to each other, if we can cast aside ego for humility, and the notion of "us against them", then we can bring the change that we want to see
//Some say they regret transitioning....I regret detransitioning...I was right the first time....I really am a guy and i realize i had to play pretend but the king in me refuses to play pretend and wont any longer. Parents will be hurt and blâme themselves but its not their fault we were born "incorrectly and put in the wrong body as a sick joke by whatever force did it" its NOT funny and pride month shouldnt have to exist...we shouldnt have to need it. We are who we are. However, if your not actually trans then de-transitioning is a good idea. For me...bad idea. I regret it so much that i got my post detransiton voice back! My voice came back and yes it was because of my family. I know im a guy.
Do you have people who support you that you can talk to about what you’re going through? I am so sorry you’re dealing with this.
Great video
A+
Thanks for this video! I learned a lot.
yeah this comment is not at all the point of the video... but I literally did a mental double take on what channel I was watching with the sign off of "and as always, thanks for watching"
In my opinion I really do not think anyone can speak about detransitioners unless they are in the situation as they do not have any lived experience in the matter. I think this topic is such a dumpster fire because detransitioners may be pushing buttons. People who attack other people have fear........ its called projection.
bro why are you whispering lmao I had to turn my speakers to max volume and I can barely hear you
Agree with your statement at the end that it's a minority of a minority, and that the cis amplification is a huge problem. You talked at the very end of the fact that the people who utilize medical services should platform transgender people who do not want to medically transition.... and I feel that this is incredibly tough and non-optimal too. I truly believe that this is _true_, but that this is nuance that the transgender community cannot afford. At that point the narrative will just shift to the "well, other transgender people don't need to transition so why do you?"
We're caught in a pretty large catch-22 in many situations and this is one of them... and it's because there are many cis who find profit and power in pushing _any narrative they can_ against transgender people, no matter how petty or misinformed. I want to support detransitioners more but they have a very clear and easy path for their own voices to be amplified, all they have to do is to talk against their experiences to seek cis approval... and in many cases they'll get it! At the cost of other transitioning colleagues. Especially when they fight so many blockades the cis put up -- medical access, discrimination, lack of acceptance, un- and under-employment... the cis just hold out a path for them and while not all of them take it, it doesn't take many to 'prove their point'.
I respect this video for what it is... but unless detransitioners want to really stand tall and against the cis themselves, it's hard to offer them the support when most of my own struggles are against the same cis power structures that _a minority of_ detransitioners now want to help hold up and support.
I appreciate your input, and I think you bring up a very good point. I think it's just a matter of submitting to/appealing to cis approval that becomes a problem, though. We see this with transmedicalists, too, so we have an example of trans people who are medically transitioning and are equally as willing to throw the rest of their community under the bus. It's a survival mechanism, so I'm wondering how we can make people feel less desperate so they don't feel compelled to resort to using it.
The issue, I feel, is that detransitioners who come to realize they're cis, specifically, get platformed very easily for the reasons you described. They need support so they don't lash out, but in addition to that, we need to bolster the voices of detransitioning people who still regard themselves as trans. In response to the "well, other transgender people don't need to transition so why do you?" problem, specifically, it would illustrate the reality: That most people who detransition do so because of discrimination and lack of support. Right now, people think detransition is most often a matter of regret, so I feel like it would be an overall positive thing if we could demonstrate the truth of the matter, that it's more about lack of support and the presence of discrimination than it is anything else.
There is not a single cis view that everyone shares. Many cis people acknowledge the reality of biological sex, but do not believe in gender identities despite caring about people suffering from gender dysphoria. Some of those also hold the view that gender roles and sex-based stereotypes are harmful and need to be overcome. So they do not want trans people to conform to roles or stereotypes that feel wrong to them.
I think many trans people agree with much of that, too! I certainly agree that imposed gender roles and sex-based stereotypes are harmful. You seem very invested in these topics (I say that with a lot of appreciation), and like you care a lot about the people affected. Would you be comfortable reaching out on Instagram or Twitter so we can chat in messages? I’d love to learn more about your perspective and help answer any questions.
Puberty is nice for virtually no one, but it may be harder for gender dysphoric teens than it is for some others. Still, it is an essential maturation process for the entire body, not just for the reproductive organs. Natural puberty is not wrong for some, it is beneficial in the long run.
Puberty is definitely necessary, I agree! You do understand, though, that for trans people who go on blockers and then HRT, they simply experience the puberty induced by those hormones and develop as such, right? A trans girl who goes on blockers and estrogen/progesterone goes on to develop like a cis girl, which is why it’s so important for so many young trans people to have access to those resources. It helps them a lot in growing into and presenting as the person they know they are.
Why do you term same gender intimacy as gay? Being gay is being homosexual, i.e. same-sex attracted. It makes no reference to gender.
Sincere question: Do you think my male partner and I move through the world being read as heterosexual, or homosexual?
Our experience is very much that of gay men, because we are both men. There are countries we cannot travel to; one of my nations of citizenship will not recognize our marriage when we reach that point; at no point have we ever been regarded as anything other than a gay couple, both in welcoming and unwelcoming spaces. That’s the life we live as two men in love.
To speak on physical sex for a moment, some trans men do have penises, but even for those who don’t, does a gay couple consisting of two cis men cease to be gay if one of them loses his penis to illness or injury? Many trans men on testosterone grow a functional micropenis; is a gay cis man with a micropenis less gay than those with fully developed ones? What about one with erectile dysfunction who can’t partake in sex using his genitals? Does a gay couple no longer count as gay if they are in love but uninterested in sexual intimacy?
These questions aren’t meant to bombard, but to help you consider the nuance and explain why same gender intimacy is often very much gay. Categorizing of this nature is typically one of identity, not physiology, and that goes for cis people too, as described above. I hope I’ve explained this in a helpful way. 😊
What is the basis for the claim that most detransitioners continue to identify as trans? Not that it is representative, but on youtube I found a few who identify as non-binary, a lot who have made peace with their sex, but reject sex-based stereotypes and none who continue to identify as trans. Can you point to an example?
Non-binary is trans, and many trans people have detransitioned at one point and retransitioned. Trans simply describes someone whose gender is different from what they were assigned at birth, so non-binary people are under the trans umbrella. I hope this helps! 💙
You are so cute. You kind of remind me of Tom Hiddleston
Oh my, that’s very flattering, thank you!
Great video. The fear that Cis people have is young 9 or 10 year olds that are permitted to transition or are put on blockers is very complicated. It just seems that you should need to wait until you are an adult. Why would a truly trans person want or need to detransition? Would detransitioning not bring back the dysphoria. I just want you to be happy with your life it's your life and you're entitled to be happy. I suppose again the largest fear is taking such a radical change and then potentially later in life having regrets. I would agree with you that statistically the numbers of people that be transition because they made a mistake and are truly cis is probably very small. I would be interested however in hearing you explain why a truly trans person would wish to de-transition.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment, James! It's definitely complicated, and I can understand why a lot of cis people would be concerned. I think it's important to remember that puberty blockers were actually developed for cis kids to prevent precocious puberty, and have been tested and applied extensively for decades now. Some people I've talked to have found it helpful to ask themselves whether they feel the same way about cis kids on blockers as they do about trans kids on blockers, and if they do feel differently... why?
Regarding why a trans person would detransition, that's a fantastic question. I was recently on a panel hosted by GoddamnitMalcolm where one of the other panelists elaborated on his period of detransition. He wasn't able to access top surgery, and the process of binding as a man made him more dysphoric than just living as a woman, so he temporarily detransitioned until he was able to get top surgery, at which point he went back to living as a man.
Christy Abbey (a wonderful trans creator) commented on this video about how she transitioned back in the 80s and has now retransitioned.
Luxander, a non-binary creator on TH-cam, as discussed their hormonal detransition wherein they went off testosterone. I know a number of non-binary people who hormonally transitioned and then went off hormones once they'd achieved the effects they wanted. Some also switch to a lower dose, or cycle their hormone treatments rather than remain on them for long periods of time.
Trans people detransition for a number of reasons. Waiting on treatment, safety, financial reasons, lack of social support, job security--the list goes on. Some may medically detransition by going off hormones, but not socially detransition. Some might realize their identity is actually more fluid than they originally thought and detransition from a binary trans identity to a non-binary trans identity that better reflects who they are. Some might realize they're affirmed in their identity without medical intervention and decide to go off hormones because they don't experience dysphoria related to secondary sex characteristics.
These are just some examples, I hope this helps! 😊
@@FinntasticMrFox indeed it does. I agree gender identities are very complex issue. There is great diversity in nature and I personally believe that everyone falls on a gender spectrum from completely CIS to potentially being born in the wrong body. I honestly also believe that most people if they are honest with themselves would admit that they are probably somewhat fluid. Society frowns and confuses gender identity and sexuality which only makes the entire discussion that much more complicated. I think you would agree with me however that changing someone's gender before you are 100% certain is a huge problem. Children especially very young in my opinion should not be allowed to transition until they are older. The surgical path is unreversible in most cases and if you are going to spend the rest of your life gender reassign surgically you should be 100% absolutely certain that it is what you want. Also today transition from female to male is on the rise. I believe much of this has to do with a lesbians desire to believe that becoming male would make their lives easier. To be honest not really sure why female to male transition outpaces the reverse by so much these days but it has become sadly trendy and fashionable. A very complex issue for sure and I wish you and anyone else who's suffering are unhappy the very best in life.
Interesting points and nuanced discussion about how the CIS community sees de/transitioners. However, I think we have to be honest that there simply isn't enough data and understanding of the interaction of hormones & puberty with the psychology, neurology and sexuality of transpersons to make any definitive conclusions. Particularly with people under 25. Citing one or two studies isn't enough. I think that's the point that detransitioners, TERFs and transmedicalists are making. I think we should come together to work together to improve understanding and not see those who question our experience as transpersons as "the enemy that will hurt us".
I don't like to frame them as "the enemy", even if it's unrealistic to say they are not acting against us with intent to inhibit our rights. I think many of them come at it from a place of pain or misinformation, and while that doesn't excuse it, it adds important nuance.
I absolutely do think more research needs to be done--not only on this topic, but on trans people and health in general. Only in recent years has it been focused on more closely, and this trend should continue. Where the transphobia lies in the position of transmedicalists and TERFs is that their approach tend to be informed by poor data (one study in particular that ended up discredited due to its extreme bias and poor quality) and fear mongering. One or two studies isn't enough, you're right on that! There are more than the ones I cited here, though, and so far the information we have supports the affirmative care model, which is why it's been adopted by every credible medical association and has replaced the gatekeeping model promoted by transmedicalists.
It is right to ask questions and want more data, so I appreciate you doing so. I highly recommend Cass Eris' deconstruction of "Irreversible Damage" to explain many of the problems in TERF rhetoric, as well as Jammidodger's video "Let's Talk About Detransitioning", which goes into further detail on the current studies and numbers. Cass is a cognitive psychologist, and Jamie has a PhD in psychology and focuses on gender and sexuality, specifically, so they're both very insightful and informed. It's great stuff!
In case you want to check them out, here's Cass' analysis: th-cam.com/video/2OLNEiECN24/w-d-xo.html
And here's Jamie's: th-cam.com/video/Fbhv1Znv4Lk/w-d-xo.html&t
@@FinntasticMrFox Thanks. I follow both Cass and Jamie. I honestly don't think we will have any clear answers for at least another 15 years.
@@FinntasticMrFox Thanks! I follow Jamie already, but Cass is a new one. I don't think Jamie has any better studies than the few that are out there. I honestly believe it is going to take another 10-15 years until we can draw honest conclusions. We barely understand homosexuality at this point. I think we tend to feel that any question of our current affirmative approach somehow undermines our transition. But I honestly think there's a middle ground where we could say, people under 21 might need stricter psychological investigation to prevent future suffering and detransition.
@@BoardroomBuddha Oh definitely. The study of queer identities in general needs a lot more growth and attention. I'm really hoping we see that in the coming years, and that it contributes both to more acceptance of queer people, and improved medical resources for those who need them. The nice thing about that is as our understanding gets better, help for trans youth specifically will also improve (and by extension, cis youth who experience dysphoria or dysmorphia.) I'm definitely hopeful.
I hope you enjoy Cass' work! She's brilliant, I've found her videos so informative.
Dr. Rumsey I question why we need to "understand" why people are trans, (or homosexuality, since you mentioned it) in order to live freely today. I'm trans and queer and I don't feel the need to know why. I agree more studies on medical transition physically are important for refining the technique and safety, but there is often an underlying suggestion if terfs say this that we should "put being trans on hold until we can explain in better" to which I say, fuck that, we don't really know why straight cis people are the way they are full either. Sure we know about sexual reproduction but I think it is pretty clear that their identities as straight cis men and women are not defined entirely by that. Basically I don't feel a minority group should need to justify itself so much more than the majority does - trans people already do have to prove ourselves and I don't think that needs any more increasing.
Wow, just WOW, all these words that you, a non-detransitioned person say about Actual Detransitioners, just exposes how blatantly impossible it is for you to say anything objective about detransitioners. Please, actually LISTEN TO DETRANSITIONERS, Their voices, experiences, and reality is certainly just as VALID as yours. This video is so off the mark and wrong.
I’m confused. This video is about listening to detransitioners, and I spoke to people who have detransitioned before I made it, in addition to providing sources: actual population studies. Can you indicate where things were wrong and point me in the direction of additional sources so I can learn more?
OMG, YES, I-and I think you-do know that there are too many people who think that the entirety of your human experience and awareness is summed up in your YT videos! What could you possibly be if not trans? (Very problematic essentialism, right there).
Next, THANK YOU for unpacking the problem of using the outlier as the basis of all of one's opinion or bias. I find it horrible when that deliberate and cynical misrepresentation is manipulated by encouraging the de-transitioner to openly reject transness. I agree that a large majority of the people who purport to care about de-transitioners are actually interested because their bias against trans people is supported and validated.
As always, Finnjamin, great job. Thanks for giving people the opportunity to be better informed and, one can hope, treat one another with more humanity and sincerity.
Thank you for another wonderful comment! You're spot on. Opinions built around outliers are tools of hateful people the majority of the time. Imagine if we stopped people from undergoing cancer treatments because of the dangerous side effects, or barred people from using anti-depressants because in rare cases it can worsen depression.