Thrustmaster Ecosystem Explained - Best Sim Racing Setup?
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I'm frequently asked "How do Logitech products compare to the Thrustmaster lineup?" Thrustmaster has now sent me an entire setup that I have used and can now give some impressions about.
One of Thrustmaster's biggest strengths is the Ecosystem of products they offer. This ecosystem allows you to customize your setup and provides an upgrade path as you refine your sim racing tastes and want better equipment.
In this video I go over most of the Thrustmaster ecosystem and talk about the components I think represent somewhat of a sweet spot and will be using.
Timemarkers
Intro - 0:00
My Sim Experience - 0:44
Thrustmaster Ecosystem - 1:44
Wheelbases - 2:35
T300 Servo Base Unboxing: 2:58
Next Gen Support - 3:11
Wheelbase Tiers - 3:45
Lowest Tier - 4:03
Lowest Tier Specs - 5:18
Get what you can afford and race! - 6:34
Entry Level Tier - 7:20
Entry Level Specs - 8:45
Mid Tier - 11:28
Interchangeable Rims & QR - 12:14
Pricing & Bundles - 13:00
Mid Tier Specs - 13:48
Top Tier - 15:48
T-GT Features - 16:45
TS-PC & TS-XW - 17:40
Top Tier SPecs - 18:08
Wheelbases Summary - 18:55
Pedal - 19:35
2 Pedal Sets - 19:45
T3PA, T3PA GT, T3PA Pro - 20:00
T-LCM - 20:20
Loadcell info - 21:20
Hall Effect Pedals - 22:00
Wheel Rims - 23:25
Sparco Rally 383 Mod - 23:38
Open Wheel Rim - 24:42
Accessories - 25:38
Conclusion - 26:56
Links
Thrustmaster
T150 - www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/t150-force-feedback
TMX - www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/tmx-force-feedback
T300 Base - www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/t300-racing-wheel-servo-base
TX Base - www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/tx-racing-wheel-servo-base
TS-PC Racer - www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/ts-pc-racer
TS-XW Servo Base - www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/ts-xw-servo-base
TS-XW Racer P310 Competition Mod - www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/ts-xw-racer-sparco-p310-competition-mod
T-GT - www.thrustmaster.com/products/t-gt
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Says a lot about your channel they’d send you stuff. Can confirm it’s not easy to make that Happen - I couldn’t even get anything for a major review I’ve got brewing haha Great work, great channel.
I bought a T300 base, Sparco R383, T3PA Pro pedals and TH8A recently. Night and day with my old logitech setup.
Well done! Well thought out and organized. I found this to be really useful in clarifying my understanding of the TM ecosystem and in evaluating various price-performance options.
Very professional vid & time stamps are great. Thanks for a well done comparison of the range on offer.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Always great to hear that someone found the video helpful or informative
Thanks for the videos man! Extremely informative.
One of the best Thrustmaster posts. Very informative. Thanks for all the work. Stay healthy.
Cheers. Thanks for watching and commenting?
Great video! Really helped me get a feel of the thrust master lineup.
Awesome video. I’ve been doing a lot of research on this is giving me the most information
Thanks for watching! Really happy to hear you found it informative. That's exactly why I put a lot of time and effort into videos. So you can hopefully have the knowledge you need to make the best decisions!
Cheers!
Nicely explained!!! really -> extra helpful, thank you!
Thanks! There were so many versions on Amazon, it confused me. I already have a logitech g920 and wanted a newer wheel, first I thought I'll just take the G923, but I always wanted a Thrustmaster and now I know exactly what I want!👍
This was really informative, thanks a lot!!! You’ve gained a new subscriber :)
awesome man will updgrade to tier 3 soon keep it up
Best explanation on internet! Thank you!
Thanks for watching. I'm glad the info helped. Sorry I don't have access to more of the new TM hardware.
great video dude, super informative
Thanks for watching. Glad you found it inofrmative.
Thank you mate. I’m upgrading from a Logitech and found the whole thrustmaster lineup confusing. This video is very well put together. 👍👍👍
Thank you for watching! I'm very glad you found it informative. Since this video TM has released the T-GT Ii, the T248 and the T148. They also released the T3PM pedals.
The T3PM fit in between the old T3PA pedals (the m means magnetic [hall effect sensors] where the T3PA were analog [potentiometers]).
The T148 and T248 are probably in-between the T150 and T300.
The T-GT Ii is an iteration on the older T-GT.
Soon Thrustmaster will announce their PC only Direct Drive wheel.
Unfortunately I haven't been able to test any of the newer gear. Logitech and Fanatec have also released new products.
I hope you find a good option and really enjoy your Sim Racing journey!
Oh you drivin drivin! Great vid, wanted to know where to go from TMX Pro as mine has burnt out now 😂 tha ks buddy
Dude this was really helpful! Currently looking at upgrading my g920 because I can't stand the annoying deadzone in the middle.
Great video!
Thanks Derrick. Glad you enjoyed it
Great video. Ive been a Thrustmaster fan and had my T150 Pro for years and works great. However, its time for an upgrade and I would like to stay with Thrustmaster. The price points are one reason plus the reliability I am use to. However, its near impossible to find anything in stock at the moment. I'm debating on the T300 or if I should just make the jump to an XW or PC base. I really hope they start making bundles with the TCLM pedals.
this guy has gone the sim racing rabbit hole, welcome friend welcome! i got my fanatec dd1 setup about a month ago and what a jump from the g29. are you going to try and review the newer rim coming out from thurstmaster on 4/20? i watch The Sim Grid channel here on youtube. they have a lot of great races, great camera work and fantastic commentary
I've definitely taken the red pill! We'll see what far this rabbit hole goes!
I'd love to review the new TM wheel. I don't know anything about it beyond their teasers at this point. But looks like a nice step up fr them.
@@BallisticTech
im happy that someone is making it that type of wheel and making if affordable, hopefully.
hoping if fanatec makes something like that as well.
I just got the tx leather edition with the gated shifter. Man talk about having to re learn how to drive again. I need the e brake lever next and mount and racing seat and she will be complete $1540.00 later. It's gonna be amazing 🙌 I absolutely love this new wheel 😍
Great video! 👍
Thrustmaster T150 is a great place to start! It's done well for me.
Bro the t300 hands down is amazing from the t150 .
I had a t150 for about 1 year then upgraded to T-LCM pedals , T300rs base, open wheel add on rim Night and day difference.
I enjoy this so much more and am so smooth lap after lap .
@@mrj3217 i have the t150 at this time and i am thinking to upgrade to what your saying is it worth it?
I found a TMX base for 90 bucks on eBay and somehow found t-lcm’s for msrp on amazon, when I can afford it I’m gonna get a t300 base, the open wheeler rim and the leather gt rim
Those are great finds! Get in where you can and have a lot of fun racing! When you feel like you want to upgrade either for a better experience or to try to be faster do that!
Thanks for watching!
Nice video, was curious what the T GT is like and what it's deal is compared to TS-PC/ TS-XW.
I see they now have T GT II, but I assume that's just more of the same, with some light improvements
I think that's accurate in terms of the T-GT II. It's in iteration on the previous version that looks to add some quality to the force feedback. TM say it moves it a bit closer to some of the detail that Direct Drive wheels can deliver.
Just like with the T-GT certain features like the transducer only seem to work for Gran Turismo Sport (possibly GT7 later)
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Started in the thrustmaster eco system but upgraded to fanatec and man thrustmaster is good but fanatec is amazing.
I'm looking to buy a racing wheel as a beginner and need an experienced opinion to give me some insight. I'm deciding between the TMX and the G920. I've read that the G920 has a great build quality and just overall a good starter wheel but I've also read it doesn't have any drivers and has bad connectivity on pc. I'm going to mainly be playing more arcade games like Forza Horizon 5 but once I get more familiar with the wheel I might switch over to something like Assetto Corsa. What do you think?
Thanks,
Rock Guy
Can confirm that the TS-XW has more force than TX and a little more detail in the feedback. Whether or not it is worth the cost difference i think might be a personal preference. Both the TX and TS-XW are great wheel bases.
Man the tx is crazy compared to the last xbox 360 wheel I had. 😳 absolutely incredible. I'm blown away that they make a better one ! 🤪
I Got t150, i swapped tcm pedals for tlcm, big improvement. Now looking to upgrade the wheel, idk if wait and Save for New dd base and wheel from fanatec or get t300
How do you find the t150. That tier is where I have the least personal experience.
What do you think you'll gain the most from with upgrading?
@@BallisticTech i think its preety basic, i can preety much feel the car in ACC but it lacks a lot of details. For a new simracer it can be cheap start, but for me trying to get to the limit of the grip every lap its not enough anymore. It also tend to overheat and then the force feedback is getting lighter.
Because of the informative video, I ordered the following this week: TS-XW, T-LCM, Open Wheel and Sparco r383. Plus the Playseat Challenge. I think not a bad choice. Greetings from Germany and stay healthy.
I will only be playing on the Xbox.
Really bad choice tbh.
Fanatec csl DD + pedals+ mclaren open wheel is 636 Euro inkl. Shipping. And this is way superior to everything fanatec has to offer
*thrustmaster
I also play on xbox and i have a tx with open wheel. Thrustmaster aint bad but in Comparison with a direct drive wheel its just a joke
Hi, i orderd the ferrari 2011 f1 wheel and the TX wheelbase, earlier i hade the ferrari spider 458, do the pedals from the 458 work with the TX wheelbase?
I got the thrustmaster tss handbrake for 300 dollars and it’s 100% worth it although make sure you keep in mind if you get this it’s recommended to but the 130 dollar clamp to get the best experience but the up side is that the clamp also holds the shifter so yet again 100% worth it
$300 for bascally a lever? The price scaling on these things is insane, I can buy a cheap laptop for that money
What Thrustmaster gear have you been considering? If you already have some what are you using?
Really would like to upgrade from TMX Pro to a TS-XW base with the new Ferrari wheel that was released last week! Absolutely have fallen in love with sim racing!!
I'm considering the ts-pc challenger racing. Right now i have g29 and a normal desk with 2 monitors. considering buying t-lcm pedals and TS-PC Ferrari Challenger edition?
I’m thinking the TX 458 Italia set, with the upgraded pro pedals and shifter, then get the 599 wheel and F1 wheel depending on what car I’m driving 🤷🏻♂️
@@Dunkelzeitgeist Maybe consider the TX Leather which only comes with the T3PA pedals. But personally having used my friend's T3PA Pro pedals and the T-LCM pedals I'd go for the T-LCM's . They feel and perform a whole lot better IMO.
Only benefit of the T3PA Pro's over the T-LCM is the ability to invert.
@@Dunkelzeitgeist I’m thinking about the same
Hey mate I could put the new thrusmaster Ferrari sf1000 wheel on the t300 thrustmaster base. Because I don’t know if that base will allow for that add on wheel to be used on the t300 base
Can you recommend settings for T300 on PS4 Assetto CC? I have tried almost everything online.
Great video!! I have a T300 Ferrari GTE Wheel and I am considering buying the t-lcm pedals. I assume they are compatible, right? I always see that the pedals are compatible with T300 rs but my specific wheel version is not mentioned (probably because it is not needed, since there are not significant differencies between them, to the best of my knowledge).
Hi. Thanks for watching! TL;DR Yes the T-LCMs should be compatible with your wheel base.
The T300 servo base that I show here is the same "wheel base" that's in every different T300 bundle.
T300 RS, T300 RS GT, T300 Ferrari GTE, etc... The major differences between them are the Wheel Rim that comes on them stock, and the pedals.
If you're on console you can plug the T-LCMs into any T300 wheel base via the TRJ12 connector (looks like an ethernet/phone cable). If you're on PC you can plug the T-LCM pedals directly into the PC.
@@BallisticTech Thanks!!
Hi..
I found a used ts-xw wheel base. As I am a beginner in sim racing, I want the cheapest add on wheel for it.
Can you please confirm add-on wheels from mid tier (F5999XX Evo, 28GT Leather, Ferrari GTE 458) are compatible with top tier wheel base TS-XW?
Don't want to spend more on either of these Ferrari F1. Sparco, Open wheel, Rally wheel.
Where would you put T248 ? Same as t150 pro or between t150 pro and t300?
Yeah I think between t150 and t3000. Some advancements over t150 but still hybrid. I think the pedals that come with the newer budget oriented wheels are better than the older models
and a tip if u are buying thrustmasteer just for the love of god get a fanatec shifter and usb adapter its alot better in quality and realism
So how can I order I have tried everything and they say they only ship in the U. K. Please help forward a link or something
They have different shopping sites for different regions of the world. They also sell through a number of retailers like Amazon, NewEgg, B&H Photos, etc...
Can anyone help me
What wheel bases and pedals work with the thrustmaster Tm open wheel addon
Basically every T series wheel base with interchangeable wheels (T500 isn't listed)
www.thrustmaster.com/products/tm-open-wheel-add -> "Ecosystem"
Driven Driven yes Lando
Thanks for watching Matthew
I am hoping to find a wheelbase that can be used for hand controls for handicapped users. Have you heard of any for this Thrustmater package?
I'm no expert in that area. I haven't specifically seen a lot about it. I recall seeing Max Papis made an adaptive steering wheel for someone that could be used in sim racing. Sim Racing Garage also reviewed a wheel rim that had special adaptive controls.
There's a group called Able Gamers I've donated too that help find ways to adapt controllers for people specific needs.
I think the most popular thing I've seen is using a wheel with 2 clutch paddles as gas and brake mapped in the game sim.
There is a customer of Gomez Sim Industries that uses one of their wheels this way.
I'll look into it a bit more
@@BallisticTech thank you. I will look into your suggestions.
@@reub5439evil You're welcome. here is the video I mentioned from Sim Racing Garage. "Simability" seems to be the company that produces adaptive products
th-cam.com/video/Qq226CDuRf8/w-d-xo.html
i have one basic question that i really haven't seen yet answered , coming from fanatec where the Wheel would dictate the compatibility . If you have a base that's PC and Xbox compatible , and you buy separately a Playstation compatible steering wheel , does the whole set-up become compatible with the playstation ? because im trying to find a local deal and we only have TMX Pro bases around here , and i plan on future to mount it on a playstation as well for grand turismo
Unlike Fanatec, compatibility is solely based on wheelbase. As far as I know there's no way to get both Xbox and PlayStation compatibility with TM
@@BallisticTech thats sad :) because i found here a 200e deal for a tmx pro base with tmz pedals . So as a student i would've loved to chill after work/uni days on assetto :))
@@lordmetric5852 since I have a PC, Xbox and PlayStation I tend to go for PS + PC compatibility. Mainly because any Xbox titles will generally also be available on PC via play anywhere/Gamepass.
@@BallisticTech exactly my thought on the matter , as my girlfriend likes to play games as well
Best value for money is thrustmaster. But Fanatec and up looks awesome.
Everything looks good. All i need is a PS5. Sold out everywhere.
Hey guys you can go buy the hub/connector for 90 bucks that will allow you to use any of these on any platform you want it's not made by thrustmaster but it works lol
now its more like why go for thrustmaster when you can go for the csl DD lol
well i purchsed the CSL DD myself but it is still much more expensive than the T300 for example. Its only the base for 349.
You won't believe this but I actually like the t300rs more then the cswv2.5 haha I'm not a smoothest hound I just want a good wheel I adapt with the t300rs I enjoy I like thrustmasters natural dampening imo belt wheels should have this as it helps add to the weight feel I like the restriction when turning I can't help it now DD of course is way different and should be free flowing but belts aren't designed to be that way and something always feels off on my cswv2.5 and yes I've tried every setting and every reccomendation I could I downloaded driver after driver trying to find they best one what's hilarious is I got it working good with the Xbox but not as good with the pc which is backward imp comspred to what others say haha but yesh somrtiens you gel with a wheel and sometiems you don't I can completely understand now why thrustmaster users say they can't use fanatec especially after using thrustmaster for a while just something about the feeling of course that is until you get into the DD wheels and I mean the one dtjat are now worked out and have good drivers like the ds1 fanatec I hear is now where it needs to be in performance
I really don't understand Thrustmaster product politics. If I want PS and PC compatibility, then I need to get the T300 series but unfortunately there is no bundle with a Leather wheel (I don't like the Alcantara design/layout). So even if I only focus on PC, the TX Leather bundle has worse pedals. Like every bundle has some downside and of course I could buy T300 base + TX Leather wheel + T3PA-GT pedals but this would be way more expensive than in a bundle.
I wouldn't mind paying like $50 more and having the T300RS GT bundle but with a nice Leather wheel and fairly sure I'm not the only one who wants exactly this combination. Especially now with PSVR 2 there is even more of a reason to get a PS5 compatible wheel set.
If Logitech would release a belt driven G29 for let's say $100 more it would be the perfect bundle as software/drivers also seem a bit better on Logitech side. Logitech also doesn't change/downgrade the other parts depending on which version you buy. Xbox or PS only difference is button layout but not an entirely different wheel (design, form factor, rubber vs leather, ...) and also not different pedals.
Common Thrustmaster, best would have been three different bundles:
- RS with 2 pedals (cheap entry option)
- RS GT
- RS GT Leather Edition
Both GT bundles should have T3PA-GT pedals. Only difference being the button layout of the wheels depending on PS or Xbox compatibility and rubber vs leather material, that's it.
oh you driving driving
The TGT has been discontinued.
The T-GT does seem to be discontinued. It's prettich impossible to find new. However, several retailers offer the wheel refurbished and of course there's the used market.
It also fits into the same tier as the TS wheels in terms of FFB and some other features. So it's important for people to understand the features and differences.
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Ayyyyeeee! Thanks for watching!
Or you buy your 11 yr old one because he won't shut up got mine for 60 on Facebook and I've used it everyday since I bought it forza is decent once you get used to it but yes I'm ready to upgrade for myself and the kids can have the 458 one
Driven driven
nope. one of the worst and most unreliable. yw
Mine are still working with hundreds of hours of driving time... 🤷🏿♂️