I’m kind of an iPad hater, but this is MAGICAL. - iPad Pro M4
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The new iPad Pros are here and I'm afraid to say this, but they look MAGICAL. With truly incredible screens, huge performance potential, and a shockingly thin body, the only thing holding this back is iPadOS. Will Linus think this is worth the hefty price tag?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Linus gets hydraulic pressed
0:25 Display impressions and LABS test results
3:15 Comparison to 2018 11" iPad Pro
4:30 Sponsor - brand
5:23 LABS performance and battery test results
6:18 Included accessories and ports/buttons/cameras
7:13 Linus and Maria try the Magic Keyboard and Pencil Pro
12:12 Durability and speaker impressions
12:53 Trying out the cameras and other misc features
13:49 Pricing
14:44 Outro - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
So basically:
Pros: It's the *_most powerful_* tablet on the market
Cons: It's the most powerful *_tablet_* on the market
The Cons: Deliberatley hamstringed abilities.
Yes. I've tried them "all". I did an earlier Surface Pro (liked it but bought a model with very little RAM so it got slow), went on to a Galaxy Tab (liked it but was a bit janky), went on to an iPad pro (liked it but other than consuming videos and browsing I didn't really get any proper work done it). Now I'm going back to Surface with the new OLED Surface Pro running ARM. Will it be as powerful as the iPad pro (no), will the design and screen be as good (no), but will I be more productive (yes). iPadOS is holding iPad pro back.
They have mastered the art of propietary, monopoly, gatekeep and inflexibility
I think that's a REALLY good way to put it.
It's a *tablet*. Don't go gettin' any ideas now.
The juxtaposition of "I love it" followed instantly by "This is so f**king stupid" was hilarious 😂
Ya i actually laughed out loud at that lmao
Ahahahaha. The first second I heard this, I looked to see if they had written this in the comment.
You beat me to this reply. I laughed out so loud.
A manic-depressive episode with all the ups and downs
followed swiftly by Khaby Lame
Linus doesn‘t get tablets. This is meant to sit on your nightstand the whole day so you can watch youtube for 10 minutes before going to sleep
All starting at $999!
@@SilverNine89 isn‘t the base model like 400$? At least it’s that much in €
@@theMelvinShow the iPad pro starts at like 1k in europe also
@@Evwarno 1.2k to be precise, although I doubt someone would buy a pro exclusively for media consumption
I use my iPad every other day for a few hours. I have a 2018 ipad pro with all the accessory’s, and its been nice. I use it for note taking, art, and content consumption, I also just like doing my school work more on here more. I bought it used for about $340 with 256GB of storage. With the apple pencil and magic keyboard I bought (also used) its about $445.
I still use a 2016 iphone se because I dont need a new phone I got it at the max storage witch is 128GB and it has been great on ios 15. If your going to use an older ios device its best to have somthing newer on your apple id to download apps on.
Ios 15 is starting to lose support from some apps, but you can still download older versions of those app, you just need to have downloaded it before, I download and delete apps on my ipad to then download an older version of the app on my iphone. I dont have to do this with many apps now, but in the future I will.
When I upgrade my iphone in a few years I wanna get an iphone 13 mini, but before I get that Im saving up for an m1 macbook air with 16GB of ram, and 512GB of storage.
My best computer right now is an old windows desktop with an i5 16gb of ram, 512gb of Hard drive storage, and integrated graphics. Its fine for quick things I need a full computer for, but its slow, and I don’t like ant version of windows over 7. Im not downgrading to windows 7 because of how annoying it would be to use it in 2024.
11:05 The transition from Maria loving the iPad to Linus calling it stupid😂
AH! I didn't get that far! Thanks for mentioning it! Feel like I am getting MAC address back at 8:56
well for digital artists this with the nano texture its a wet dream come true, Pro use ! for the rest of us its like why is it so expensive ? i have 2 regular 2021 ipads and they are great for normal people! they are great.
lol
the whole idea of these videos are entertainment, I hope nobody watching these takes them seriously .
That editing was perfection between Maria saying she loved it and Linus straight up bagging on the keyboard 😂😂😂😂
I'm guessing the issue with the keyboard not allowing further tilting is because the weight. In a laptop, the guts are all the base. When you have an iPad with keyboard, the guts are in the top half. It would topple over if you put it further back.
@@Baulderstone1 Linus isn't smart enough to think of that.
@@Baulderstone1 But that doesn't mean it's something they can't fix. It's something they don't want, so they don't want to fix it.
@@Adowraththe only way of doing that is literally having the keyboard weigh more than the iPad. Half of the reason why this iPad is much thinner and lighter is because so many people complained about how bulky and heavy it was with the Magic Keyboard.
I could see maybe a different hinge design allowing for more degrees of motion (I would’ve preferred if you could “bring it towards you” like you can with the Surface Laptop Studio), but to do the 360° of rotation as shown off would require changes that no one’s really asking for. If you need it flat, just take it off.
He's so harsh with tech
The tone change between Maria and Linus is HILARIOUS. 😂
😂
lol it was great.
i totally agree
Yeah, because that’s when the video actually became watchable…
@@djmistisoThe video never wavered in "watchability." You mean your personal enjoyment.
11:04 This dramatic shift in tone is absolute GOLD!!!
What I love about my iPad (2020 11 inch) is that it still performs pretty well in 2024. It’s like a portable smart TV with a great display that’s big enough to enjoy content while being small enough to comfortably travel with.
I'm happy for you. Now wait a few more years until you get the dreaded 'This app requires an update' message, followed by the App store saying 'This update requires a later version of iOS', followed by iOS Update saying 'Your iPad is already running the latest available version' - eg you're boned. As was my beloved 8 year old iPad mini, now languishing in a landfill because it turned into a LITERAL BRICK overnight last year.
@@Blitterbug Same here...
@@Blitterbugjailbreak it
@@markehijele Won't do me much good, I use the App store, I don't want to sideload weird stuff or use it for emulation...
@@Blitterbug Well 8 years it's pretty long. Many people don't even keep their cars for that long.
"i love it" and then sudden transission to "this is so f*****g stupid" that is so funny linus 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
One is a die hard hypnotized apple fan and one represents the rest of the world.
@@UnsettlingDwarf Yo man chill 🙂
Got to play into the Apple hate always
@@UnsettlingDwarf as an apple user and a big fan it's my take on all Apple products. Great overall, excel in details, but have so many stupid things if you look closely. I have all of them except for the desktop towers & the VR HMD and the only device that doesn't do something "so f*****g stupid" is the wired earpods.
OK now Apple give me a Tandem OLED MACBOOK PRO ?!?!?
Yeah, that was my first thought as well. This iPad basically confirms that. My hope is that they also make it touchscreen, since the technology is already there.
+200 dollars
MiniLED came to the iPad 7 months before it came to the MacBook. Relax, let the supply chain catch up and the M4 generation of MBP will get OLED.
@@ashtonbeca the day they make macbook have a touchscreen is the day they kill the iPad. Coz no way in hell they'll make it touchscreen and not be able to have the screen detachable or go the Lenovo Yoga way oh wait THAT'S A FRICKING IPAD
At some point Apple will merge these two product line ups but it'll be a LOOOOOOOOOOONG way from now like may be 10 years from now. Because that's when I think Apple silicon just plateau in terms of performance and people will lose all incentive to upgrade
With faceID... Please....
I have an A12 iPad Pro and it was pretty amazing back then.
I don't have a comprehensive Apple ecosystem (my last Apple product before is the 6th Gen iPod Touch) but still using it to this date.
I'm very impressed with it still running + Pencil 2.
Just a small correction for 9:57
Double tap feature is available with the previous Apple Pencil
Maria's drawing was really good :)
She should consider doing digital drawings as a career ✨
IKR!!! The fact that some people can just sit down and make an awesome piece of art like that on the spot blows my mind. I’d buy that art lol.
she seems to know leaf alot😅
It is called surrealistic, post-modern, Dadaism 😂
Especially for such a quickly done demo picture
I'm glad Maria stepped in, it makes sense having someone experienced with the devices for so long to share their insight
It was so nice to see someone who is pissed off 24/7 for a few minutes.
@@_sparrowhawk spanish people sound pissed off 24/7, but actually they are happy, it's normal
except her take was absolutely useless, sounded like a complete normie. she had an m1 already and all she said was "this so nice wow"
@@p5rsonaBut these are the kind of people buying it, people who think it’s good and just don’t care about the rest
@p5rsona i find that way more realistic than a tech review done by a professional. Maybe if she had more screen time she could’ve said more about the device
12:38 I love that this will literally forever be the speaker test song for LTT.
One MASSIVELY important part about the IPad Pro lineup is the fact that they have a laminated display and every other iPad has a stacked display.
This means that when writing with the pen on the Pro, the tip has no noticeable distance to the line you’re drawing, when on all other models, there is a noticeable gap - which REALLY throws you off when writing or drawing
you seem to have forgotten Ipad Airs..
even the iPad minis since the 4th gen have had laminated displays - and that was in 2015
Huge props to the editor for finding the perfect clip to follow up Maria's wonderful section
Correction at 6:41, the USB-C port is Thunderbolt 3 / USB 4 compliant. Thunderbolt 4 certification requires support for at least 2 external monitors through the USB-C port while the M4 chip only supports a single external monitor. It's the same as the M1 and M2 iPads.
I have an iPad and use it instead of my laptop now when traveling or just commuting. I like to write and draw on my Ipad, but sometimes I need to type up something too. so its perfect for my needs due to it's versatility.
Can you use it as a reference monitor when editing Final Cut Pro?
Would the screen's brightness behave the same when using it as an extended display on a Macbook?
The double tap feature was on the old pencil as well 💀
Also everyone is ignoring the fact the hover feature was available in the M2 iPad. The only thing new is the haptic and barrel roll.
@@akr12877squeeze is also new
@@akr12877 hover feature is also a thing in almost 20 year old Wacom enabled tablet laptops...
@@akr12877 Nevermind the M2 iPad, hover was available in my Galaxy Pro 12.9 from like, 2014?
It's only Maria that they brought in who make that mistake and she was just a guest to draw and give her impressions. She doesn't need to know everything about ipads
and my friend got this because he wants to read manga on it.
Your friend knows his stuff, the black will by inky jet black and white will burn his retinas 😂
The screen itself for media consumption is a top notch for hdr movies, colorful anime and 11” will be perfect for reading manga.
I had 12.9 m1 but for multimedia it was too bulky / tall and only really used it with Magic Keyboard.
Decided to sell it and got instead MBP 14 m1 and waited for OLED iPP 11”.
This was it I also got it for consuming multimedia.
For MANGA??? I could _maybe_ see it's use for webtoons, but manga?!?!?
I got it because I want to read books on it and mark them with apple pro pencil
I´d love a iPad mini with a good oled display
@@elinavance3476 yeah iPad mini just with tandem OLED screen would be nice. It doesn’t even need other Pro features.
I compared Samsung S8+ and S9+ and IPP 12.9 M1 in HDR movies and S9+ was better, but not by much. Meanwhile S8+ was not bright enough and even blacks looked better on iPP 12.9 vs S8+.
So OLED vs much brighter MiniLED with high amount of dimming zones is not an obvious thing.
@ShortCircuit I have a question. If the iPad OLED displays need 2 layers (Tandem OLED) to reach 1000 nits for the entire screen, how does the iPhone OLED displays, or some other smartphone displays for that matter manage to reach even more than 1000 nits with just a single layer, regular OLED panel? Some brands like Xiaomi even have smartphones, that reach more than 2000 nits of HDR brightness. Is this only because of the reason that the iPad displays are massive compared to a smartphone display? Or are there any other factors at play?
I could see tandem OLED being a huge breakthrough for laptop and dekstop OLED displays as well since they're more efficient, brighter and more resistant to burn-in! This is kind of exciting not gonna lie
I’m watching this from a 2018 11” iPad Pro. I use mine for everything from 3D sculpting to content consumption. Planning on upgrading to this when I can, have kept putting it off waiting for the next jump that wasn’t pen hover lmao
Only features making me want to jump from the 2018 iPad Pro are AAA gaming ports that require M-series chips, and the proper external monitor support (that also require M-series chips).
Same deal for me, I'm also on an 11" 2018 pro and would like to upgrade to the M4 13" this year or next if possible. The 11" 2018 has never let me down or shown even a hint of a limitation, but that screen and the new pen features have me intrigued. And I need the 13" because my eyes have aged since I bought the 11, lol
I had a 2018 pro, it suffers from awful blacks and back light bleed (look at a black screen in a dark room and the iPad will light the room up) this new screen is amazing, I wish LG used this tech for their TVs ❤
@@ericpisch2732Well ... LG Oled tv 's ?
@@Joaaaaaaaaaaa "tandem"
we can see it, the beard is on the way back, thank jesus
A little stubble doesn't mean much, I wouldn't trust the beard is coming back till the face isn't clean for 3 weeks.
Now we have to wait for Linus to go through puberty again
oh lawd he comin!! (the beard that is)
I believe in bearded Linus. 🫡
You trying to date him or what?
Wasnt double tap already a thing on the pencil 2nd gen? I use it with notes to switch between the pen and the eraser on the m1
That keyboard scene needs to be a clip or a gif lol. Appreciate your content!
There is a lot of fuss online about grain issues on the m4 ipad's OLED screen. I wonder if Labs would be able to test something like that to see if its just par for the course with OLEDs or if its an ipad specific issue.
I think that’s mainly the special glass. The normal glass model has been fine for me
@@tomasvincent8725 it was about the normal glass model, also doesn't mean it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it didn't happen at all lol
Almost all Oleds have this, do a Google search. Nintendo switch Oled has it, Samsung galaxy s24 Ultra and IPhone 15 pro Max has it too. I could he wrong, but it appears to be just one pitfall of an Oled, just like how miniLEDs was blooming.
From what I have read though, it's something you have to look for and know about. You need to be at around 25% brightness and on grey colours in a darker room to notice it
@@tomasvincent8725 My 13" normal glass has it. I can see it at full brightness within 9" of my eye from the screen. The 13" in the apple store had it too. If you stare at the grain long enough and your brain starts to recognize it, it becomes easier to see at farther distances, so i suggest dont go looking for it. Still would be interesting if Apple is pushing half assed products or if its to be expected based on the tech.
Samsung has grain on their S24 lineup as well. Probably something do with OLED. Still sthe displays are amazing both on iPad and S24
His face when doing the hinge on his laptop and then dropping it was *chefs kiss*
I wanna know what laptop that is lol
@@soldierofapathy1 some Asus convertible I think
@@soldierofapathy1 ROG Flow X16 (2023) GV601
I honestly quite dislike when he does that.
It's giving 100% Khaby energy and I'm here for it 😆
It would be nice to compare against the Tab S9 ultra, both screen and speed
No need. We already know which one is better in those two departments.
The nano texture is the way to go to eliminate the reflexes. You need to test it asap.
I have a 2017 12.9" iPad, so the 11" M4 is a huge boost. This is important for the responsiveness of the pencil, which I use constantly at work. Also, for 3D work, it's nicer, and TB4 is superior to lightning. I actually love the new Pencil Pro, the squeeze and double-tap is huge. If you need this iPad, you'll know it. For everyone else, get a cheaper one unless you're made of money.
The double tap has been here for a couple of years now though. As a 12.9" M1 iPad owner I don't really see any significant reasons to upgrade buy I agree it's worth it for those who're switching from A chip models. The question is, if it isn't a better value to go for M1/M2 models instead.
@@XT64here, the price difference between them is marginal. The Apple Store sold me the M2 by accident and it was $1300 instead of $1400.
I also enjoy the new Apple Pencil but you’re right. If you can find a cheaper iPad then go for it. Wasn’t worth it for me
I have the 12.9" iPad Pro from 2018 and as a digital artist it's a fantastic device, I use it for Procreate, general content consumption and some mobile games with Apple Arcade. It hasn't slowed down at all, unlike some Android tablets I had in the past and even its battery still holds up, so I don't really need to upgrade yet, as much as the new screen and Apple Pencil Pro might tempt me. Apple devices might be overpriced, partcularly the storage upgrades, but they last a long time.
lol they really named their app procreate?
The problem is that the only android tablets worth buying are from the Samsung line 7 and up if you do anything else besides taking notes and watching Netflix
@@TheBackyardChemist It's not an Apple app, it's a third party developer. It's probably the best art app on the iPad, and maybe even the best art app overall.
Can completely agree about lasting a long time. I’m using my air 1 since 2013 for youtube and twitch and it still works perfectly. It has some issues while browsing, especially with big amount of ads but hey its 10+ yo tablet. Any android of that age would’ve been piece of junk.
@@TheBackyardChemist it's funny for a while but you get over it, you can only make so many jokes before it gets old. people genuinely make real money on this thing. I've completed 2 salaries worth of commissions on my 12.9 pro. As a professional creative device, it has more than paid for it itself! Otherwise, as a general media consumption device, any old android device would suffice.
I could not be happier about the first part of the video! 😂 The display was the ONLY reason for me to get one of these. I loved the mini LED before, but did not like that it was only available in 13“ …
Hey, Maria, the double tab is the one thing that was already here x)
As someone who dailies an iPad Pro M2 and uses it as a full screen preview with DaVinci Resolve on hotel editing jobs, I would have LOVED to see a 15” model.
then people would have even more reasons to complain about the ipadOS
@@Optimistas777 LOL. Not going to defend some of what people want from iPad OS. But at least in my case I need it to run field apps that only exist on iPad. Not Mac or Windows. A laptop would not work in these situations either. It's very much a special use case where the iPad legitimately replaces equipment that would cost several thousand dollars and has the ability to email and google drive store the files over 5G.
@@Optimistas777 Plus has the added bonus for being a great display for my editing work.
@@NathanMillerVisualsthat’s exactly what I’m looking into getting to buy. My friend that’s a colorist ditched his expensive color grading monitor for the new iPad since he can easily use it with his 14 inch MacBook Pro when he’s traveling and extend displays on davinci resolve as reference monitor since it’s so color accurate
The bigger Tab S9 Ultra with its wider aspect ratio might be what you're after
Now if TH-cam would fix their HDR…
Does it still happen if using that LG OLED test video with the honey? I used it to test my LG C3.
I am into long battery life for various reasons and I would have loved to see the ipad at its old thickness which was already thin enought and using that extra space for a larger battery.
Literally the only channel that talks about the display in such detail. I already watched dozens of reviews, but this is the only channel that made clear how good this display actually is.
7:24 Remember, the bulk of the components are in the "display" side. Opening it any wider and the assembly would tilt over
Plus the second hinge above the main hinge already allows the display to be tilted above 90 degrees
Yeah, but that's an easy fix: adding a kickstand. They sacrifice usability with aesthetics, which is why I assume Linus is pissed.
@@Ok-kf8xg Kickstands are widely ineffective except at a flat surface like a desk & generally lack the "niceness" that comes with Apple products. There are plenty, and by plenty I mean too many aftermarket / 3rd party cases for iPads that also do the exact same thing the Magic Keyboard does. If someone wants to extend it further they can just buy one of those with a kickstand - one of those will also be a hell of a lot cheaper too.
Apple made a choice, if you don't like it, don't buy it. No one is forcing anyone to buy this iPad or the magic keyboard.
@@HeyItsHades Whoa an apple fanboy
@@Ok-kf8xg Ehh... Kickstands aren't great let's be honest. Try using a kickstand on a lap. It's a pain (and to be clear I own both a surface pro and an iPad pro 11 inch with a logitech kickstand/keyboard case). I've messed around with, but do not own, the magic keyboard, and yeah, in terms of lap usability, it's far better than the alternative, at least in my opinion. Tabletop is slightly better on kickstand, but not by that much. I feel Linus likes to harp on the negatives a bit much with apple stuff sometimes. Don't get me wrong, it's really expensive, 100%. But the lack of a kickstand ain't the major problem here.
@@raunakwete4881 He's a fanboy because he's correct? That was an actual proper explanation.
I dont think ive ever heard linus be at a loss for words 2:40
Hey Linus, is it possible to use this iPad as a sketching accessory to a MacBook? Like if I were to use it instead of a Wacom or Huion tablet? And is it possible to use two tablets as 2 extended monitors for a MacBook?
I'm using mine as a sketching accessory on windows, so why not on mac?
What is the laptop linus uses to compare the ipad with the magic keyboard to??
I was reading an opinion article on why reviewers always seem dissatisfied with the iPad Pro while users mostly seem to love it. The gist of what they wanted to say was that reviewers are used to juggling between devices so they already know what to achieve and how to achieve it smoothly on, say, a PC or a Mac. They feel hamstrung when they are unable to do the same on the iPad. But the typical iPad user lives within the restrictions of what the iPad Pro allows and can, depending on who they are, maximize the effectiveness within the set limitations.
That's fascinating. I think it's a topic tech reviewers should cover.
great point
So what you are saying is that ipad users purposefully or ignorantly hamstring themselves
@@aminorityofoneno, he saying that regular people don’t want it to be more than it is. Tech people eat chicken and then get mad that it’s not a steak…because it’s a chicken.
@@ClevelandTerry but apple specifies this machine as pro and mark its price as such.
No excuse for not having iPadOS/macOS dual mode like Samsung dex.
Basically samsung dex but an actual good Os and not skinned android.
It's easily done by Apple they just shit on consumers
My m1 ipad pro is still killing it with no signs stopping... it mostly does netflix and D+ and some kitchen work... it did survive fall from the car going onto the interstate at 45mph with a spec case
the fun thing with the iPad Pro is that they're so ridiculously over-spec'd that a six-year-old model will still work perfectly for most use cases
(this means that you won't need to upgrade for another few years unless Apple seriously beefs up iPadOS)
@@waytoobiasedexactly, even if I want the m4 so much, i still have the m1 that is so good, i will probably have it for many more years
@@waytoobiased It was really surprising to me they put started putting the M1+ into the iPad for this reason! for me on an old Intel Macbook I can't wait to get over to either a used M1 Pro 2021 or maybe an M3 Air when the back to school event starts at Apple, but there's still no reason in my mind for any current iPad users to jump for this upgrade unless they're professional illustrators that would benefit greatly from the new pencil pro, or for for me to get such a beefy iPad while it's stuck on the portable-only iPadOS either.
Not sure if that's an issue they want to fix though, since they seem to have the iPad market carved out specifically for creatives that need a pencil/don't need full desktop suite apps, and then the more expensive and touchscreen-less MacBooks are specifically for professionals and creatives that need the full desktop suite of apps and MacOS like audio engineers, designers, programmers, etc. Whatever gets Apple the most money in the end, I guess!
I still use my ipad mini from 2014 to watch youtube on.
@@KrissFlissglad it still works and is supported.
the magic keyboard hinge is limited because if it went further back, it would tip over more easily because unlike with a laptop, the weight is mostly in the screen so pushing it too far back means the center of gravity is past the hinge and it tips over. i haven’t personally tested this with the new magic keyboard but i daily drive the old one and that thing is so well balanced. i’m actually surprised they were able to get the new one straight and not angled forward like the old one. i also really like the fact that it doesn’t fold over because i don’t want to be putting my keyboard and glass trackpad on whatever surface i put it down on. i have a dbrand skin on the ipad itself to protect against scratches and i’d rather put that on the table than the keyboard side. just personal preference though, i like it you don’t
I was just about to mention this. I thought the hovering iPad thing was dumb until I realized it allows the keyboard to not add even more weight to the setup. The only other solutions (that I can think of) are doing Microsoft Surface style kickstand which would kill lap use, or adding weights or battery to the keyboard. Both solutions probably add more weight and thickness, I definitely don’t want more weight and thickness, especially on the 12.9.
I agree with every review since the first iPad Pro, amazing tablet, held back by software. But it checks all the right boxes for me and my business, so I like it.
12:30 it still does that? I have different of tablets, but when first experiencing an ipad, the audio does vibrate loudly if a sound or music is played, it also unbearable for me, i really have to almost full the volume for it to almost hear, but i got used to it
The hinge doesn’t work like that because of weight, Linus. iPad has the weight in the top and will fall over backward with a “conventional” hinge. Laptops have the weight in the bottom, and don’t have this limitation.
Apple should be able to engineer around physics, duh!
@@TalesOfWarExactly! Therefore the new pencil needs to be backwards compatible. Doesn’t matter if the coils for wireless charging are not in the right spot!
I understand they need to have a different hinge design for balancing purposes, but this seems to be an easy fix with just an extra hinge
I understand that they need to have a different hinge for balancing purposes but to be able to lay it down flat should be an easy with with just a second hinge at the base
@@TheMaxi98King but how would you charge the pencil if the coils don’t line up on older iPads
What is the laptop Linus used in video?
It was a flow x13 from asus.
@@lukesampson5008have they ever made a review video on it?
Which 14" gaming notebook are you showing in the video?
4:23 actually the 2018-2020 iPad Pros are almost the same thickness as the M4 iPad, but it is significantly thinner then the M1 and onwards iPad Pros. I remember the thickness was a huge turnoff for me (It was just not as slick) so I kept my iPad Pro with A12Z for that reason.
7:26 the iPad Magic Keyboard doesn't allow for a wider opening because it would tip over. To prevent this, they would need to make the keyboard heavier, which isn't worth it.
kick stand.
Sounds like shit design to me
@@air_how is it a shitty design if it works just as intended?
@@Termynat0ryou can have bad designs that works and intended.
@@sebastiangiovannella7778 Sounds suspiciously like an excuse for hate. The design perfectly usable
when it comes to the rear camera I would use it for site survey's and taking pictures of server rooms/closets. It was plenty fine for that. Things like that are also why it still has lidar and room mapping. Lots of that is way better on a big screen than a phone.
this was such a glowing review of the display that I had to try it. Bought it for myself, and holy shit, I intended on returning it and now I’m gonna have a really hard time parting with the thing
Question: Is the terrible camera quality for these iPads normal? I’m asking because I just got the Pro 11 inch version and the front and back camera quality is absolutely mediocre. So grainy and muted, the pictures I’ve taken as tests have all looked completely dead. Is this just the new deal with the new iPads’ cameras, or is it just mine? Please let me know!!!
Yes it’s an iPad issue. I think it’s not just about the camera lenses, but the post processing going on. They didnt optimise as well as the iPhone because the camera on the iPad is meant to be functional at best.
@@nuclearwinter6231 I definitely agree, I feel that the iPad’s camera is meant to be just “useable,” not astounding, lol.
I appreciate your reply 👍!
The question is why would you take pictures on an iPad in the first place? 😂😂😂
@@Adamtendo_player_1 I don’t normally take pictures on iPads, but if I’m paying almost $2,000 using my hard-earned money, I would be expecting the best possible quality all around. Wouldn’t you?
11:03 two angles to everything
I use the m1 iPad Pro 11” and it have been by far my favourite Apple product ever. I use it to basically everything, taking notes on work, play games, watch TH-cam and movies, reading and even some editing from time to time. This one it’s ofc something that I want, but the m1 is still super fast. I actually think iPads are reasonably priced as well. High end phones is higher price, but you get a lot more from an iPad, now you even get the best display ever.
I mean yea compared to an iPhone or Samsung phone they really are a steal with all the work you can do and what you get. iPhones/S24 ultra being $1000-1500 is completely insane for them they should be like $800 max price not starting out 😂
I do think they are over priced especially now with like a 200-300 price hike over the last generation.
But I had my M1 iPad Pro since near launch and it was great the whole time for work on graphic design and photo editing or note taking and outlining video projects. So like I’m sure the new one will be great for many years to come if you have the money but like I wouldn’t say upgrading is super worth it unless you having something before the M1 series.
Edit: also for work stuff the M1 iPad Pro and M1 MacBook Pro paid for themself and was so faster than my old MacBook as well as my previous editing Pc in terms of speed and productivity
Such a nice video ❤
I love how you guys changed
ARTIST TAKE: yes, it's very expensive. no, i don't think it's a bad value.
the "pro" in the name used to be just marketing but honestly these new ones are genuinely professional level devices, prepare to pay professional prices (honestly reasonable considering the competition). even Linus said so, you simply can't get that display anywhere else. if you start looking at pen displays, they are similarly priced WITHOUT the computer, or 120hz, or OLED.
I get why people are critical and compare these to macbooks or other laptops, because cost, but it's a different tool with a completely different job. they're making very clear with the marketing this is an artist's tool, with the most advanced stylus i know of, and an insane display. you really cannot find everything it offers together, anywhere else. (literally it doesn't exist)
TLDR; this isn't a device for the average person, or even hobbyist artists, get the iPad air or a Galaxy Tab. if u need a laptop, get a laptop. this isn't a laptop and shouldn't be compared to one.
tbh, I can see myself using it along macbook for animation (Illustrator or PS on tablet, and just airdropping it to Macbook to use it in Aftereffects
Pro tablet with amateurish OS.
Pro tablet with amateurish OS.
@@sergioyichiong7269 I don't care. It works fine, I don't need million customisation features access to kernel. Ipad OS is fine, there are software, accessories I need available and I don't need anything more from tablet.
As professional photographer and designer I need something that works and has accuarate colors
99% of people will not utilize the display in full meaning its a total waste of an upgrade. Typical apple marketing every year.
8:08 the argument is the same it’s always been (but unspoken): if they make macOS on the iPad, then the fear would be the developers would stop making iPad specific software and the experience would be clunky for non keyboard users.
I believe that risk is minor, and it wouldn’t matter because the people who would choose that experience would have a keyboard and mouse. But that is something Apple would care about.
But changing just one thing could open up the whole world: let the iPadOS download any software from a web browser and let any web browser work (regardless of the engine). That would be a game changer for pro level apps.
What laptop did Linus compare the iPad to? Folding flat and a 4070??!
I want to know this too
I’m looking at the comments looking the the answer as well lol
Me toooooo @@ChaosKaien
maybe a: ROG Flow X13 ? idk
@@keksilu I think you're right, 2023 model? Can't seem to find 4070 versions for sale any more (in the UK at least).
what laptop model is Linus using exactly? i love those tiny pieces with RTX kick :)
Linus, I love you man, and how you geek out for cool tech stuff like I do.. If it's innovative, powerful, cool, or just *weird*, you're into it, and I get it. Absolute respect, you're a kindred spirit to all of us techies.
dbrand, I love you guys too. I love that your idea of an ad isn't on the side of some webpage, but making Linus off helium and read a tongue-twister fanfic-like story..
Also Maria, thanks SO much for coming in a showing an artist's perspective on the new iPad and pencil, it really showcases it well and was a perfect featured segment for the pencil!
Well, I got myself one of these. They finally broke me. I am VERY annoyed it is locked to a toy-OS, but I have had so many tablet-style drawing-capable machines which have all sucked to the point I have stopped using them. Especially my Wacom one, ironically. I just want something that functions. If I can't draw on the computer I carry with me, it's useless. So, even with the new Surface lineup on the horizon I still opted for this for that screen, the general snapyness and polish as well as not needing to deal with the Windows clunk every time I want to doodle on the train. MacOS, or even better, the capacity to run MacOS-apps inside iPadOS would be a massive upgrade though, instantly leaving any and all competing devices in the dust.
You say you want MacOS on this. I don't think you do, not really. The clunk you describe in Windows is what you'll get with MacOS on the iPad. It isn't designed for touch, the whole OS would need an entirely new UI for everything. Remember Windows 8 and how much that sucked because of that?
@@TalesOfWar being able to open a real tool and have it be a tad clunky is far superior to not being able to open it at all. Any time, any place. Always.
Windows on touch can be finicky, yes, but add a trackpad or pen, and it's fine. Anywhere near as smooth as something built for touch? No. Of course not. But what does that matter when I can't edit my 3D print files at my printers? Those kinds of scenarios are what annoys me. When my 2013 Surface can get a job done easily, and an iPad Pro simply can't due to being neutered in software despite being a far more powerful machine.
Opening a desktop app on an iPad doesn't need to function differently from the desktop version to be usable. The Surface line has proven that viable, over a decade ago. Make iPadOS and MacOS apps cross-compatible and open the desktop apps as is, and we'd be good.
Can someone tell me what's linus gaming laptop with rtx4070?
WHAT IS IT?!?
It's the Flow x13 2023. The greatest 360 Laptop ever made 😈😎
I'm also still using the 2018 iPad Pro 11 inch and it's still blazing through day to day tasks. Battery Life could be better but using Goodnotes in Airplane mode I can get around 8 - 9 hours of nonstop writing and looking at scripts which is totally fine.
I tried really hard to tell some of my friends to either not upgrade or buy one of the older models refurbished cuz all the M1 stuff is just so good still. It’s a waste unless you really need something that is being added to the newer devices like a video encoder or something else specific to M3 or M4 ….
Most people don’t even use the power from their old iPad pros 😂
It's really difficult to get across audio quality, but this example was incredible.
What gaming laptop did Linus use for comparison?
I want to know too, thank you
this please
What gaming laptop is that at 12:00 ?
Same question
definitely meets all my requirements to upgrade from my 2021 M1 ipad pro already preordered my 13" 1TB WIFI AND BLACK MAGIC Keyboard TO MATCH 🙏🏽👍🏽
for drawing you just need a few extra hardware buttons, to make everything much faster.
11:26 "you broke it" 😂
what gaming laptop does linus have?
Asus ROG flow x13. Rtx 4070 version
The one I'm using right now is a Flow X13 -LS
@@ShortCircuit I was hoping asus would release a new model this year (maybe with a Radeon GPU), but seems like they are switching over to their ProArt Series for the X13 😔 Not sure if the 2023 Flow x13 is worth it, 4070 seems like a waste with that TDP but the 4060 model lacks 32GB Ram options & no 2TB (or rather 2280) M.2 options from the factory over all is a bummer too. Hoping the ProArt with new AMD chips will rectify that & maybe make the old flow obsolete, but any thoughts on the current situation? (TBH framework should get into the 2-in-1 game~)
@@ShortCircuit What happened with your Framework laptop?
How do you see the labs result if possible? Thanks! (Watching this on iPad)
I remember when the iPad was first released back in 2010, HP announced they were going to release a Windows tablet to compete with it. I wanted to wait for a Windows tablet because I wanted to avoid Apple's walled garden. But by the summer of 2010, I got tired of waiting for HP to start selling that tablet (which they never did) and bought a first-generation iPad. I loved it. I used it primarily for reading e-books and online articles. I occasionally use it to watch videos or listen to podcasts. Eventually that iPad lost functionality as the hardware could no longer upgrade to the latest iPad OS, and the apps I used wouldn't work unless I upgraded to their latest version, but I couldn't install the latest version because my OS was too old. I tried some Android tablets for a while, but I upgraded to a then-new model in 2017. So why did I buy an iPad Pro last year? Because I wanted a larger tablet display to read digital comics. I would have been fine with a less powerful device with a lower quality screen so long as it was as big as the 13" iPad Pro (or even a little smaller), but I couldn't find one. My decision came down to an iPad Pro or a Surface tablet for roughly the same price, and Apple just makes superior tablets. But somehow, I think I can restrain myself from running out to upgrade to an M4 iPad Pro even though it does look really cool.
That helium Ad got me though haha... thank you D-brand, you are the true heros of sponsorships.
her going on about how cool the hover feature is and wishing squeezing would select just reminds me that I had the first surface pro that could do that already and I didn't need to buy an extra pen or worry about the pen having a battery.
Hmm thats weird that artists all have ipads then.
Mountain village shots were almost certainly in the border region of Georgia called Tusheti. Or nearby at least.
That last take is everything and applies to MacBooks as well. The hardware is on a level of its own, I sometimes wonder how much they would make if they became a B2B company.
I bought the very first model that came out 14 years ago, and I always felt like I was having to find an excuse to use it
Like you said, things can be better done with either the phone or a laptop
And now it's so powerful, it's just wasted potential because they don't want to cannibalize the laptop market.... Much like putting the a series processor in the studio displays, just a waste of technology and a way to get you to spend more money
That was honestly my problem with the iPad pro 2020 as well. It looked nice, had a good battery and good performance. But it was clunky to use for actual work. Drawing was nice however, but that didn't make up for the rest.
I am typing this on a iPad Air. I really use it a lot for TH-cam and just basic browsing. Yes I can buy a new laptop, but that is just not as comfy while laying. I have a phone but that is still a small screen
@@Johanneslol11 so something a basic iPad can get done, no need to pay thousands of freedom bucks for it.
@@rowaystarco I understand that, but I also use a iPad for a long time so I don’t care if I have to spend a bit more. I have 1500 euro a month in disposable income
The creative sector will make great use of it though.
The best part of this is now that apple has done dual OLED layers on a display we will be getting TV's and monitors copying this same idea
My body is ready.
My wallet just screamed and went running and hid under the bed
From what I read this was already used for displays inside cars and small stuff. Samsung Display started manufacturing this for Apple since 2022 and there will be drawbacks, likely power draw, heat and burn in. Time will tell.
It is patented 😂
@@Jj82opthe Nita got higher as time goes on
Didn’t you watch the video? 😂😂
@@Jj82opYeah this display is dependent on the M4 chip. That's why it was introduced on this iPad. Scaling it up would be trouble on anything other than smaller displays
Can you please do another test of load times after a few months of patches between different devices to see if "updates" cause performance slowdowns on older devices intentionally.
I want to know which brand/model of the laptop shown at 12:01
Want to shut down the Apple fanboy “iPads arent limited by OS” statement, ask this; Why can I sidecar my iPad to Mac but not in reverse?
I went from a Wacom Small pen tablet to the 12.9" 2018 iPad Pro back in 2019 for my birthday, and it's made my drawing experience so much better and it works perfectly for the days i don't feel like sitting at my desk, i can just bring it with me to bed, i can relax and draw wherever. The iPad is just perfect for drawing, Procreate and the Apple Pencil are the reasons why hundreds of thousands of artists have made the jump from the more 'traditional' graphics tablet to an iPad, it just works and it works well for us.
I'm working on saving up for the new 13" iPad Pro + Pro pencil now, the jump between my iPad and the M4 one will be freaking huge, and i'm not rich by any means i'm self employed so it's gonna be a while before i can afford it and the case/screen protector to keep it safe, but i'm so excited to upgrade to this beast! 🤩
I honestly don't know that it will be as huge of a jump as you're envisioning. The 2018 12.9 pro is still pretty powerful, especially if you're only using it for procreate. Can do 3k x 3k with 56 layers, lol. The screen will be a nice upgrade, but the mini led still looks great on the 2018. I'm debating on the upgrade still or may e waiting a few more years for the next one 😊
@@logankesler3421 In the last couple years i've noticed my iPad slowing down trying to keep up with the workload, some of the files i've been working with have been 5k pixels or more for commissioners, it's been struggling when i'm at the max layers available.
The oled screen, the ram, the m4, the bigger storage...It'll make a huge difference for me and my plans for the iPad, i'd love to branch out into animation and sculpting once i've got it, i'm ready for the upgrade! 😄
@@logankesler3421 It's not MiniLED. 2021 12.9 was the fist MiniLED.
@kiisseli1337 ah, sorry, it's led backlit. Still it's held up remarkably well
My 13" M1 iPad Pro is still more than adequate. That being said, that OLED display is _NICE_. I'm going to pick up the 11" in the next update. Hopefully by then we've had a couple WWDCs to bring the software up to par. I'm also over the 13" size. I ended up going from an old 16" Intel MBP down to the 14" M3 Max, so I basically need my next iPad for content consumption, casually editing photos, and drawing. I just wish they would offer a standard OLED (not dual layer) on the iPad Air eventually, even if they have to bump up the price by $100. I'd much rather spend $699 on an OLED iPad Air than $999 on an iPad Pro that is way faster than I would ever need from a tablet. But I think Apple knows the display is what upsells people. I think the iPad Air might move to Mini LED next year.
Which gaming laptop did he compare it too?! I want something that thin
The new iPad Pro with its stunning display is a technological marvel. However, the astronomical price tag makes it a tough sell for casual users.
I mean if you are a casual user like I told my friends there is no reason to be buying the iPad Pro unless you just have plenty of money laying around and really want that device.
Literally the iPad base model or the iPad Air or even the iPad mini will do literally everything you need instantly. Unless you need or want that size you will not be using the performance and most people won’t notice the difference between the new iPad Pro and older ones or cheaper iPads.
It’s just a waste of money unless you are working on this like engineering, 3d rendering, graphic design, photo and video editing… etc. I mean I have a friend who bought it and it’s cool but like he’s never going to use even a quarter of the power 😂😂just burning money tbh
Edit: your best bet is to get refurbished iPad pros from past generations like the M1 or M2, at least if your worried about saving money. Or even just used from places like backmarket or apple referb.
did AI just summarize the video in a comment section?
@@austinbrogdon lol that's what I thought...
Casuals should buy normal iPad or maybe iPad Air.
I need a new tablet and love display tech, and will obviously use it again until it gets unusable like my old iPad Pro now is, so it should be a good buy.
As a casual user.
God bless the people who always add the sponsor block segments to ltt videos within minutes of uploading
This one was actually worth watching :D
What is the laptop used here for comparison with the iPad Pro??
Just to note in the UK it doesn’t come with a charging brick 🫣£2000 iPad with no charger
Maria: i love it!
Linus: This is so fing stupid
LOL
I think the hating on the hinge's limited range is a bit excessive. If the hinge didn't lock out at 90 degrees, it would just always fall over since the iPad is way heavier than the keyboard...
the keyboard (in its entirety) weighs a lot more than the new iPad. It's nuts, but it does.
@@paulwoodward8265 But it has to, because it couldn't keep the screen balanced and upright if it didn't.
Will professional stat using the iPad for video editing vs reference monitor?
Does anybody know what was the gaming laptop Linus compared the iPad to?
I think a lot of people miss the market of students who are children of middle to upper middle class families who use the ipad pros for their screen sizes to take notes. The screen size alone is the reason why I bought it so that I can take notes, and the amazing battery life is a plus, too.
Honestly the air does just the same, the pro is unnecessary imo
you dont need a pro for doing the most basic tasks, this is more for people who work with more intensive apps and want to bring something portable as well
but u don't need a M4 iPad Pro to take notes. my M1 Pro does it well too. I am waiting for wwdc to see if they will add a better file manager to ipadOS18.
@@dgnu I chose it for the screen size as well. As far as I am aware, I don't think the air comes in a 12.9 or 13 inch model.
@KimGuanGoh_kiMz I used to have the M1, but the battery is abysmal now, and onenote makes it get so hot I actually got burnt from holding my hand to the screen too long while writing.
It's funny, that right in the introduction Linus says "I'd either use my phone, or my laptop."
I remember the launch of the original, first generation iPad, the first one ever. And many press outlets - including national TV - reported on the lines of people waiting in front of apple stores. Many even asked the waiting why they are buying the iPad, and what they are going to use it for. And nobody had a real answer to that question. Most just repeated the "to increase my productivy" - basically parrotting apple's official talking point, but nobody could explain how and why that would make them more productive. Some few openly admitted they had no idea what they were gonna do with it.
Almost 15 years later, we still don't know what tablets are for... a larger screen for your mobile apps? an ersatz-laptop for people who can't type? A handful of commercial use-cases have emerged - like restaurants using them as digital menu cards, or hairdresser taking a picture of you, and showing you different haircuts on your actual face - stuff like that. There are quite a few such niche applications where it's genuinely useful. But as a product category, the tablet still has no identifying purpose. When somebody owns a phone and a laptop - you probably have a pretty good idea, what they might do with that. But when somebody owns a tablet, it still always begs the question: "and what do you actually do with that?".
(Most common answer seems to be: "baby-sitter - to let the kids watch peppa pig or something")
As someone who has a desktop PC and no laptop it's like a casual laptop that allows me to not have to sit at my desk all the time
@@sigmachad96
I think there's a huge advantage though to getting an actual laptop that does run full desktop software, instead of phone apps.
Getting an ersatz-laptop that's locked-in to a mobile app store at the same price you could also get a simple real laptop... 🤷 I already have a phone for those apps.
I use it cuz the goofy ass app ecosystem means a lot of companies make “lite” versions of their desktop software for a fraction of the price. Like, I don’t need to pay fucking 200 dollars for Finaldraft when it’s 60 bucks (mostly) fully featured on the app store. DAWs are cheaper too
From what I've seen it used for professionally: graphic artists - which is funny you left out since they showed it in the video, music and audio production, 2nd display/on the road programming, HMI display for factories (don't need a pro for this though),. management, great tool for meetings.
The problem is that you have to find those highly specific apps. I worked as a CTO for a company and actively tracked down apps which would help me and it greatly increased my productivity, mostly by finding apps that removed all the labourous work, such as note taking during meetings, quickly creating presentations etc. It's quite disingenious to rant on something you haven't really tried or researched. "...we still don't know what tablets are for", really?
@@85Portar Agreed. Graphics artists is a good usecase.
But graphics tablets did exist long before that - (even if the older versions didn't have screens) - so that's nothing new the tablet as a device brought to the table.
And for a professional, there's actually a benefit to having the graphics tablet be an accessory to the PC rather than a standalone device - as for any workflow that involves desktop apps as well, you don't have to move files back and forth.
The double tap works with the old "new" pencile as well. The rest i dont need.
So basically no upgrade for me
Well if you use your Ipad to work (Media or Art) it is actually nessecary to have the most power you can get. I have a 2020 Ipad Pro for school. Taking notes on my documents with the Apple Pencil and have all the documents in one small device is a big advantage when it comes to studying. So for the casual guy that watches TH-cam, Movies and uses the Browser mainly it can be old. For me it needs the 120Hz display (so the 2020 Pro) because it feels much smoother with the Apple Pencil.