Replacing the fan pulley bearing in the 300Tdi belt cover
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JP needs his own TH-cam channel, ‘All the mad stuff I did for Mike!’
Seriously, a good video. It all adds to my armchair expertise on Diesel engines, lock picking and world politics.
Mike, those hardened shafts/spindles are easily cut by holding them in the lathe chuck putting the lathe on a speed you'd normally use for machining that particular diameter and using a 4" or 5" angle grinder with a 1mm thick cutting disc against the shaft as it's rotated by the lathe. An air duster gun is also positioned to blow cooling air onto the job to keep it cool and preserve the seals of the bearing cartridge.
This method saves the necessity for "specialised" lathe cutting tools and it's a method I've used many times for "parting off" hardened, normally not easily machineable steels, it works fine...
Just cut the extra shaft off with a grinder. There is no need for accuracy.
@@red90rover98" Sir, not in my world, accuracy is everything..!" LOL
Of course it's not, it's only an old LandRover, do your best, it only needs to be rough...
what he says, done the same!
I have done the same modification using a Ford straight six 4lt model water pump. In Australia we know them as the EA Falcon model early 90's. The complete water pump cost me $13 AU. Beats $385 plus for genuine. It lasted me 100,000km, and in process of doing it again.
Hello Mike
Next time you need to part off a piece of case hardened spindle or suchlike item cover your lathe beds, and use an angle grinder with a thin abrasive cut off disk on the spinning job, only grind through the case hardening, complete the partition with a parting off tool.
Thanks for the tip!
This is exactly why I love your videos Mike😃👍. What’s not to like? Keeping the cost of repairs down with tips like these are invaluable to blokes like me. I’ve got a nice little lathe in the shed that comes in very handy from time to time so if I ever need to do this job I’ve got the info on hand. Thanks.
Thanks 👍
Hi Mike
How we got around a dry bearing on the front fan cover was to drill a hole in the back plate of the bearing and used a grease nipple with the syringe needle and regressed the bearing. Sealed the hole with a good epoxy. Have regreased the bearing 3 times and the Disco 1 Td300 has 680 000kms on it. Time for another timing belt.
Cheers Lyndon from Tasmania
Hi Mike, greeting from Aus i've done a few of these bearings over here using the same John deer bearing, for a replacement flange I've found the a Ford XC, XD, XE and XF falcon water pump uses the right size diameter and right size thread and spacings, only pushes the fan forward 2-3mm in towards the radiator more but never been an issue
Sounds great! The falcon never came here, but in a post above they were fitted to the ford transit in the UK
Great video Mike, keep up the good work, you are our hero.
I appreciate that!
Great video as always!!! Thank you for helping get my 300tdi swap on the road, and helping me keep it running great!!!
Glad to help!
Just shows you when you have the tools and the brains .
It cost me £180.here in uk.👍
Sorry to hear that
Great idea. I've just ordered one via my local John Deere dealer here in Shropshire, UK. Just shy of £30 delivered next day including VAT. Apparently they sent it overnight from Germany!
Great I need this what model John deer tractor or Web site you ordered it from
I’m sure many of us would love to see JP turning down that bearing to see how it’s done by a pro!
Maybe next time... Bit camera shy
Great video Mike, I did mine a couple of years ago, I used a scribing block and set the height to the injection pump cover face, john deer price is great 👍 keep up the good work
Great idea
You should start selling reconditioned timing covers in the shop. I think a new timing cover is £130, but that’s UK price with no shipping or taxes etc!
How'ya Mike
You're as ingenious as ever, your a man after my own heart, find an easier, cheaper way of solving a problem,
I've nearly completed watching 3 years of You're "Back Catalogue"
You're an unbelievably entertaining, talented man,
Something you might be interested in, find
"Vintage Voltage" on the Google Tube, Series 1, Episode 6, they're doing an Electric Conversion on a 07 Defender, (Irish registered)
Well done Mike, you're one of the most entertaining Chanel's on TH-cam
Keep up the good work !
Thank you Jack!
Mike
Hi Mike, a super vid, yes I know how fragile those fittings are, mine sheared off when changing the viscous unit, so just fitted twin electric fans, Have you seen the force of Land Rover that is Sophie Devon, a youngster in UK who has so much passion for the marque she needs following, just watch her...she is your kindred spirit
You can get them off but you need to sleeve the bearing with a tube and then push out the shaft
Hi again Mike, sorry for wrong info in my last reply, hope this info is more accurate for 'ya. Search for bearing number '885802' and prefix that number with the bearing mfger of your choice. So that is, if you have a preference for SKF search SKF 885802 and you will get various hits. What comes up under SKF is BR885802(as a part number of theirs) Similarly with Koyo, a part number of 885802RS seems to be a part number they may use. INA also seem to make them too, their part number is 4VH22055. Searching for these part numbers all seem to point in some way all back to JD water pump bearings. And if you find an 'aftermarket' part supplier, ie. a bearing specialist .. they list all manner of manufacturers of this JD pump bearing(as exampled above). The other tidbit of info I found about this bearing: Same bearing and flange as used in Ford Transit VG('88-00) models with the 2.5TD motor. This bearing and flange is also used for fan hub duties. Ford no longer stock it tho. Can be found at a few auto parts places. If you search at transitcenter dot uk for ford part number '974F-8A641-AB' for the bearing, and ford part number 864F-8K600-AC will show results for the flange. Here in Aus, many guys use a Ford Falcon waterpump. Complete assembly, rip it to pieces, steal the bearing and flange, chop off rear shaft and impeller, easy done and cheap. Can't recall that part number tho. Maybe Ford US have a similar waterpump too(ie. flange already fitted).
Thanks for the info! We have only just got the Transits over here and they have different engines and mainly petrol
I think I could get the flanges made for C$10 each = problem is I need to order 50!
Don't use this shaft/fan to lift out a 300tdi engine especially if your mate didn't actually undo the engine mounts both top and bottom because the shaft will snap and you'll end up looking at this to fix it. Great video chap thank you very much 😊
Good to know
Hi Mike, are you going to film installation of your new water tank? It would be interesting to watch you fixing something other than landy’s 👍
I filmed taking it out but got carried away getting the new one back in as I had an issue with the height of the new one!
hello Mike, great video, prince Philip using 110 truck cab land rover for funeral in green, i think it belongs to p, foley l/rovers.
It's a 130 I believe
Hi Mike, I bought thé jd 9257 pièce, now i m waiting for removing lr pièce to mesure and cut thé shaft. But thé ref of koyo japan i can read is 551 on one side, and 590 on thé other side(big shaft side)
was reading from a old landrover web site that the ford water pump part number GMB Water Pump W1040 fits and the flange is the same
He could try CBM inserts for the lathe. They go through hardened material like it's normal soft iron. Not cheap, but a real game changer.
Good info
Interestingly enough I have seen many of those flanges made, I use to work as a machine tools fitter on powder compacting presses.
Interesting!
Hi Mike,
Love your videos. I'm a semi-retired Subaru mechanic in Oregon, and enjoy your process of going through your restorations. There are lots of tips that you share that are based on lots of experience doing the work. This is stuff that's not in manuals or taught in schools. This saves folks who are just getting into this work having to learn them the hard way. Great job passing your experience on, and saving folks loads of time!
A question and some thoughts on your fan bearing. Aren't these actually "bearing assemblies" that are made up of 4 components? 1. The inner shaft, 2&3. two permanently sealed ball or roller bearings that are pressed onto the shaft, and 4., an outer sleeve that the outer races of the bearings are pressed into?
*** update, I got a closer look at the original factory part via a link one of the other responders sent. While these are probably assemblies, it looks like they crimped the ends of the outer sleeve down to hold the bearings in place. If they had used spring clips instead, these would have been rebuildable. That groove on the outside of the sleeve may also indicate that they crimped locked the front of the rear bearing in place by pressing in that groove. It's the typical case of the manufacturer saving a few pennies during manufacturing by eliminating cutting inside grooves in the sleeve and the spring clips that would have made these rebuildable. I have run into the same issue with newer riding lawnmower deck blade spindles. The older ones were rebuildable with 2 $4 bearings, but the newer ones aren't for the same darn reason.
I also found an interesting write-up on an Australian Land Rover site that covers some options for replacing the bearing, and sourcing a replacement fan mount here:
www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-and-tutorials/61474-300tdi-viscous-fan-bearing-solutions.html
Which brings up the idea of using bearing assemblies from automotive water pumps, some of which may very well have fan mount that could fit these. I know that the Ford Falcon they are mentioning wasn't produced for the North American market, but I seem to recall that other ford and possibly some GM fan dampeners may well have the same female thread used on these motors. If so, wrecking yards might be a great source for inexpensive used replacements. You would just need to take a caliper with you to measure the shaft diameter, the outer diameter of the bearing assembly, and check the bolt pattern and size of the fluid dampener mount. For the DIY folks, the Australian write-up mentions using a cutoff wheel on a grinder to remove the unneeded rear shaft, so a trip to the machine shop could be avoided. Just go slow so you don't get the shaft too hot and overheat the bearing.***
Philip from Oregon
Phillip - the John Deere bearings is C$35.00 and is available at my JD dealer next door! Works well!
Is that the one where you Chuck your rubbish Ahah
Hi Mike, new timing covers cost £130 in UK, you could sell those bearings & JP’s flanges in your shop so folks can replace their bearings at home. Cost in UK for this bearing is 3* and imported from US bout same. Flanges are brittle cheese so most may not survive home DIY extraction.
On another note: I’ve seen two different types of crankshaft seal in front cover, one two piece type the inner seems to rotate with crank, other one piece type is normal lipped seal, not sure if/why/when they changed if you can cast any light?
If I could get enough interest I could have them CNC made for C$10 each - but I need to have a run of 50!
@@BritannicaRestorations Mike, put me down for a bearing & flange. I have a cover with worn bearing & flange with missing lugs from PO. Seems like coals to Newcastle but no one here is interested in making cheap repair components, they’d rather sell you a new one at £130
Hi, Stefan from France.... Huge fan but the problem is I don't own any of the vehicules you are talking about !!! I'm owning an RR 200tdi and a Land Rover Series 3 2,25 diesel. and I need to change the fan pulley bearing !!! Any chance you can put your hand on someting like that and make a little video? To help me? Thanks and go onwith your videos, don't stop !!! Please
Stefan = unfortunately there are very few 200Tdi here = in Canada the 300Tdi is the most sought after.
As for Series, not many of those here either - they are used for drives in the country or for going to shows - so not many used daily
Great video Mike. I managed to sheer the flange behind my fan pulley and cannot get the fan off because as you say, it is recessed. I have another timing cover, but is it possible to bang the bearing out of the old cover with a hammer and rescue the fan and pulley?
Me and my friend both have faults with our bearing did you ever get round to making and selling these units complete Jp? Or was there not enough interest?
Very helpful video
Cheers
Sadly not enough interest
Hi Mike, is it worth putting the bearing in the freezer over night then fitting? Great video again thanks. 🥶👍👍👍🇬🇧
Could do !
Mike. Was it worth saving an 'Avocado' ? Might be worth three 'Pineapples' to buy and have delivered Downunder, except some dirka dirka parked a cruiser across a canal last month delaying freight ! V.
If you're in Australia, use an EA Falcon 6 cylinder water pump. It cost me 13 dollars.
I gave the bearing swap a go, and it went great besides I broke one of the ear’s on the flange that the fan mounts to. Any chance you have a extra one I could buy off you? Thank you for your videos. I can’t wait to get my disco 1 back on the road with it now 300tdi and 5 speed! I’m in Washington state.
sorry I do not have any - I think they are on eBay UK
Was worried about galling between dissimilar metals, alas, no problem.
Hi, Mike I have a problem were this bearing on 2 separate covers original and replacment walks its way out of the cover and destroys the belts and hoses. Do you have a solution for stopping the heat from use from allowing bearing to get loose in the cover? I live in australia and this seems to be an issue in summer with ac on as the temp in the engine bay can reach 90ish deg Celsius. I was thinking of using a grub screw or similar? Have you seen this issue? Thanks in advance.
I have never seen one come loose - always have to press the out
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In a german Land Rover Forum (www.blacklandy.de) a guy found out that Ford 1087568 is 1:1 replacement for this bearing
Yes that will work in Europe
Hi Mike
What are your thoughts on the Duke of Edinburgh’s Land Rover Defender hurst?
Will make a great camper!
Did you vapour blast that casing and did you leave the original spindle bearing in when you did it?
Yes, I vapour blasted it and then fitted the new bearing afterwards
If the bearing is still good, will it survive the vapour process? @@BritannicaRestorations
Yes - try to avoid high pressure contact - skirt around it a bit
Great and thanks. 👍🏻 @@BritannicaRestorations
Update. Bearing buggered. I don't have the machining facilities, so could I fit the JD one without cutting it?
What did u use to remove the flange, without breaking it?
Push the bearing and pulley together from the back, then push out the bearing from the pulley by supporting the pulley from the back with a bit of tube
I saw a 130 at Windsor... I have to say it was a little smarter than yours....
Yes but mine is faster
@@BritannicaRestorations There's your project... Think what a 130 hearse is now worth South of the border..
Hi Mike, just had a quick look round and found a post from 2016 on defender forum with exact details about bearing, also on eBay (UK) item 123772195274 is a new flange £37, good luck
Wow they are expensive - If there was a demand I would get them made here
£70.16p on ebay
For the record. On Brazil and Argentina you can find this bearing from INA with reference/code 711031710. The 300tdi is for all matters the Maxion HSD 2.5 here in the south.
Yes I have followed this with a fellow Argentinian, but these are very expensive outside your country
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