$30 vs. $300 Track Cranksets | Is Spending More Worth It?
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Track cranksets can range anywhere between $30 and $300 and upwards to even $600. They’re all the same part and do the same thing, so why is there such a huge range in prices for track cranksets, and is spending more even worth it? Let’s find out.
Track Cranksets Mentioned:
Cheap Fixed Gear Cranksets: $30
1. Lasco Crankset: amzn.to/2QOVK96
2. Origin 8: amzn.to/2EkrnAB
Expensive Track Cranksets: $300
1. Sugino 75: amzn.to/2LghmpC
2. Dura Ace 7600: ebay.to/2zYuxa6
3. Sram Omnium: amzn.to/2PFrDfE
4. Miche Advanced Cranks: ebay.to/2QxqVGr
5. Miche Pistard Cranks: ebay.to/2Li4xel
Insanely Expensive Track Cranksets: $600
1. Sugino 75 DD: ebay.to/2Cep9l6
2. Dura Ace 7710: amzn.to/2QRL6hT
3. Rotor 3D: ebay.to/2LfRrhG
The Best Budget Track Crankset: $150-200
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I like how most of the 300$ options are now 500-600+ for the crank arms alone
Yeah :(
rotor
I swear to god every time he plugs wabi he sounds a little more dead inside
ahahah
Dang you're right, he really does sound dead.
He totally chucks the Wabi into the garage and rides off in a Retrospec when he stops taping.
201 fools.
Its a tiny industry.
You must promote something.
You 201 have no culture, no life.
Lol omg soullessness
I had a set of cheap unbranded cranks that came standard on my Fuji track, they felt fine but I knackered the non drive side arm by mashing up big hills.
I replaced with a similar price crank and the exact same thing happened up the same hill!
So I replaced the ST bb with a hollow tech and put a 105 crankset on it and no more problems.
I also ride the same hill on my Cinelli‘ s, one with a Dia comp Grande comp chainset and the other with 7710’s and also no problems, so In my opinion, quality pays.
I'm still riding my $150 bike from 1985 and I've only riden it.
Its still amazing to ride.
You clearly didn't tighten it well enough
Zackkkk, you should do a vid on messengers and fixed gears and why they attract eachother. The culture is so intertwined with fixed gear riding and it would be cool to see more content on this. Love your videos!
Switching from lasco cranks to miche primatos and the mashed potatoes vs rocket ship comparison was really spot on! My bike just kinda goes by itself now
Handlebars might be a good topic. Might be hard for some to get the price difference between one bent piece of tube and another bent piece of tube.
Zach do chainrings cuz i found that upgrading chainrings can drastically change the feel of the cranks(try blackspire cuz they ROUND af)
I love how you break every thing down. I know I’m years old on this video but damn what a beautiful video with tons of detail!thanks a lot !
I honestly have noticed very little difference in ride quality between the generic crankset that I started with and my Omniums. I'm not pro or even a remotely competitive amateur, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I have done races like Red Hook, and not just fun little group rides. Upgrading my wheelset was by far the most noticeable upgrade I made, and at least personally, I'd recommend getting the best wheels you can afford before you even start thinking about upgrading your cranksets.
What kind of wheels?
There really isn't unless you put out thousands of watts in sprints.
BRING BACK FIXIE POINTS. I WANT YOU TO ROAST MY BIKE REEEE
iohanan metellus same
I'm with these guys. Fixie Points was a great occasional change of pace from the usual purely informative stuff that might not be as relevant to the people who kinda already got things figured out for themselves and don't need that much advise. Kept things fresh and funny. Plus I loved the Fixie Foo Zach character, especially in episode 2.
@@DeadBoysTwo stop that was the worse episode of fixe points he sounds like the is trying way to hard. i prefer im not made just disipointed zach
@@jonathonto8075 Stop? How about in this episode of Don't Ever Tell Me What to Fucking Do, you try not to tell me what to fucking do?
Just pieced together some Sugino VP cranks with a 47T Dura Ace chainring. Spent less than 60 bucks and got an awesome crankset. Buy used if you have the option there are some deals to be had out there.
I’ve been riding the same pair of Dura Ace 7710 since 2007. Got them with 7710 bb and a Sugino Mighty comp ring, all for $150. Phil wood ring and kmc track devil chain are 10yr old too. 😎 3 frames 1 drivetrain.
I would be worried for a 10 year old chain snapping midride.
H3AD I’ve got 5 bikes so there aren’t a ton of miles on it
Though not a fixie or track rider, I do have experience with diffrent cranks. My cheapo MTBs get delivered with triple cranksets on a square taper bottom bracket and they are ridicilously bombproof. Bearings last very long and stay smooth just as long. But even under mild power, they feel resistant and sluggish. Like the bearing friction increases so much more under load.
Then I have regular hollowtech cranks from shimano that have way smoother bearings(ceramic aftermarket in my case) way stiffer, better machining and bottom brackets are easy to replace(one inexpensive tool) but they last perhaps a few thousand kilometers. My sora BB held up 4500km and is completely shot. Water rusty bearings etc.
And then i have Rotor 3d+ cranks on my TT/triathlon bike. Super stiff, lightweight, very high quality BB30 bearings pressed into the frame, excellent machining and anodizing. Paired with an 53t QXL chainring it looks nice, is quite aero and fits my pedalomg style very well. But replaci g that chainring is expensive. Interestingly, bearings are less than 20€ for the set.
But IMO, these 300€ cranks are my choice for the best feeling crank and best finish. Yes, the 100-200€ is gona work just fine, but this feels like premium mediocre to me. Either get a real cheap crank for a beater bike or get a very high quality one IMO
I choose rocket ship. I have Miche primato and matched Bb on my commuter and omniums with a Phil wood BB on my newly built dream bike. Both crank sets are fantastic. For the price the primato is fantastic and I would recommend to any commuter/messenger who needs a crank that can take a hammering.
Ok here is one: could you please do a similar comparison video on headsets??
Thanks in advance 👍
Teun Luijbregts @zach Gallardo
I'll spare you a longer wait: Get the cheapest one you can find in the colour you want that fits your frameset.
If you tension it correctly during assembly and it is fitted correctly in the first place you won't notice the difference. You can save a tiny bit of weight and obviously get fixie points for a Chris King headset or sth. similar. But the most basic headset will last the life of any bike and due to how large your lever (the handlebar) is you wouldn't notice the difference in smoothness anyways.
I'm happy with my Campagnolo Record Pista cranks, but they come with chainstay clearance issues and good luck finding a wider bb with the right taper standard. They're about $350 with the bb, impossibly lightweight and super sexy.
What ‘ BAD ‘ thing could you possibly have to say about Record Pista?
They’re phenomenal AND very sexy, never mind the heritage value.
Lightweight, then You've got no free energy in them.
You're Always working them.
You're Working hard at all RPMs.
@@dreyn7780 John McEnroe said it best. ‘You cannot be serious.’
@@palicar well, I am serious.
So is ford and General Motors etc.
How many times are you coming to a complete stop whilst riding your RECORD SETTING equipment?
You’re never coming to a complete stop, so therefore, you don’t need extreme light weight products.
As soon as you’re riding down a slope, heavy weight beats light weight.
Without doing anything, heavy weight goes faster and faster.
Is your record set by going up hills?
I doubt it.
Won the Gold Medal in a scratch race in Canada on the 3D Rotors that I bought used from a friend for $300 :)))
Ball bearings don't change.
Great video. Very helpful. How about drop handlebars next? Wide/easy to ride and turn versus narrow-aero and tough to turn? Drop at angle flat or slightly up at the ends? Solid/light versus flat? Cheap bars that snap?
How about you mind your own business.
When I built my fixie from a 1980 varsity I used a press fit bmx bottom bracket and bmx cranks and that works well for me the shorter length is nice so I can lean pretty far without hitting my pedals
You're About to crash.
I love this channel so much keep on doing what you do Zach!
Awesome review!
Fixie points!
I love my FSA Carbon track cranksets but not a fan of the ISIS bottom bracket. Kinda wobbly while riding and pretty high maintenance too. It'll be awesome if you can talk more on choosing the right bottom brackets.
I used to run SRAM s100's (about $100) and those were a great crankset for the price. I imagine their updated s300's (about $120) would be a stellar upgrade, and so overlooked. You should do a review of those.
Mine got fucked pretty fast :(
I always watch this from time to time just to remind me that don't over shoot your budget, don't spend something just to flex, find and choose parts that can benefit you for daily use and riding sessions.
Can you do a video on bicycle history of Sacramento and future plans to make biking more inclusive?
I like that grey painted track bike in this video, what make was it?
Had a Lasco that was included on a Gazzetta, right arm snapped in the middle after 4800 km. The jacket and rucksack ruined cost $400. Have a Omnium now.
hmm crazy. the lasco crank sets on the Gazetta and tipo pista are actually quite good but heavy
Even slightly out of round chainrings can be made almost perfect. First find the spot where th chain fits loosest. Cut tiny shims from a soda can. Loosen all chainring bolts with Allen key. Slide a shim between the chainring and crank spider at the low point identified before. (push from outside straight in.) Tighten chainring bolts fully. Try turning crankset to see if chain tension is closer to uniform. May have to repeat and add more shims. With some persistence that lower end crank can be almost as good as higher grade components.
Someone has written basics on chainring centering....obviously unknown to most of kids fancying expensive track parts just because they are cool to show off.
@@event4216 Could you recommend me a crankset please?
Ya OK buddy
Old video but still holds relevance.
I upgraded from an Intro7 crankset which cost at the time about $100 to my current FSA Vision aero crankset and I noticed a difference pretty quickly, not massive but it was obvious. Upgrades are only worth it depending on how in tune you are with your bike and the components. Im quite a serious rider where once a week I do 100kms in about 2h50 +- so I do ride harder than most. I also just last week upgraded my Vision chainring to the KAPPSTEIN ruphus chainring and going from a "consumer grade" (using the term VERY loosely) chainring to a bespoke chainring has made my riding experience extremely smooth and its not smooth because of lube or a clean chain, its engineered smoothness and its noticeable to a point where I wont be going back to any other chainring. (paired with a KAPPSTEIN Pro-Line rear cog and Miche Pista chain which runs a lot quieter than Izumi)
Don't buy this stuff new. I'm running Dura Ace 7900's I bought for $90.
I'm okay spending about 120$ for crankset, I think this is the perfect price
Middle men manipulated price and it has no meaning anymore.
It doesn't indicate anything.
Coming from bmx spending more might not mean much unless it’s a completely new design. I have 2 sets of cheapo 8 spline 19mm cranks and I broke the one that comes on a stock bike when the spindle bolt snapped off but the other aftermarket 8 spline crank hasn’t broken on me at all and it’s pretty much the same price but the build quality mattered more. Now I got a 48 spline crankset and I like the cheaper aftermarket 8 spline set more it doesn’t make any noise or clicks
Hey, do you think it's possible to fit an SRM power meter crankset on an NJS bike?
Bro EVERYTHING you said was spot off
Hi Zach, could you please make a comparison on Miche Pistard Air, Intro7 Air Cannon, Skeace Power Point, Rinpoch RC 3230 and Rotor 3D? Thank you
I have a question I been having my fixed bike for a year now and every now and than I get on it the crank like slips what will be the problem the chain is not lose but I feel the slip on it
Hey zach what are your thoughts on wiring and soldering spokes? I have been looking into this practice and have mine temporarily lashed with heavy duty zip ties and I def notice a difference in stiffness and a reduction in noise as well , I'm probably gonna try the soldering next. I guess a lot of velodrome racers still swear by this, I guess the idea is that the stiffer the wheel the less resistance which means you output less to roll further etc, great vlog cheers!
Stupid.
How do you cook your dinosaur meat?
rotor bbs come next week, cant wait
Eh ere did u buy the front basket rack?
Noticed almost no difference between my dura ace 7710 miche primatos and miche pistard2.0, currently running the pistards and love them.
For the most value I'd get second hand primatos
I will be installing a red Lasko crankset on a small, foldable e-bike.
Hey Zach, great informative video. Can you do a similar video on single speed freewheels? For example cheap Shimano single speed freewheel vs White Industries. This component is very important on single speed bikes and would make for a great video. Thanks
Wrong channel, fixed gear only.
We don't want no stinking freewheels😝
@BeboSaab ok thanks for the review
would a SRAM force 1 be compatible with a fixed gear?
Without your video I never ever would know S75's are so expensive, to my eye they look about same stuff as $30 cranks. As for roundness - aren't irregularly round chainrings a cheap way to buy what they sold as Biopace?
Biopace is uneven in the wrong place. The look on $30 cranks is an imitation, you are paying for the quality.
YAASSSS been waiting for this vid forever!!!!!!!!
Id say start at 120 if you want good quality cranksets like the miche primato advanced, if you want a good dd crankset Itll start at 140 ish dollars
Do you know wats the average weight of a crank arm ?
Do chains next, strong ones,fancy ones& colored ones. Waxed,oiled or special pricy mixes. Stretched and new compared.
So do a flick on chains
They're almost all the same.
I'd like to see a comparison of cheap/midrange/expensive wheelsets. Replacing my stock set with reasonably priced Sun/Formula wheelset and it made a huge difference and I wonder where the "sweetspot" is for upgrading...
Dude, I've finally greased my steel wheels from 1985 and they're still amazing to ride.
Almost as good as my 2010 era bike.
There's NOT a huge difference between your wheels.
Too much grease makes an enormous hinderence to rolling ease.
I see you rep Velo Trap.
Just bought a sugino cool messenger crankset for my wabi classic, I know it’s 130 bcd but god it looks sexy
You cannot go wrong with SUGINO!
Good call dude.
👍👍
What is the bike at 5:54?
As I see it like zack said unless you race or your frame alone is ultrastiff you do not need 600 dollar cranks. I bought a pair of 80 dollar hollow point unbranded cranks it's a perfect middle ground between cheap cranks that fall apart and omniums. My idea but a pair of 80 to 100 dollar cranks and you will be pretty much set
The biggest dissapointment for me is Easton crankset, with brand new TIME framest and mechanical 11 speed Ultegra grouposet and WheelsManufacturing BB, it was impossible to adjust front derailleur, I tried various tricks, adding spares, and removing then from 0.5.. to 1.5mm.. Nothing work, after pushi pedals I could hear non stop metallic noice of chain against front derailleur. I realized that his is is Easto C90 crankest issues, i was out of alignment. I purchesed the cheapset Rotor Vegast, (chainring are nade of single piece of alu). Zero problem without any noise, under any pressure it has been working perfectly, for last 3 months I never dropped chain! It extremeny precisly made, sfiff and light. And usse also use with 12 speed groupset!Price Easton in basic C90 allow crank arms 50/34 double chainrings USD 250 plus delivery, Rotor Vegas 250 Euro, 50/34 double chainrings.
Yooooo velo trap!!
Those cheap cranks will actually bend in a crash quite often. I used to work in a bicycle shop and had seen it several times.
What do you think of the Sugino messengers? That’s the crankset I have. Just asking your thoughts thanks.
There's no culture here.
Just a stupid name for general purpose cranks.
@@dreyn7780 there is plenty of culture
Who the hell is running platforms on rotors?
Also no foot retention wtf
A human being
@@smallerfreeze hell nooo!
@BeboSaab also people who ride breakless on fixed gear
@BeboSaab ...power transfer...
the crank itself doesn't make much difference, only weight.
but you can use better chainring and bb.
If u want to spend money on a bike look at the priority 600 .. That bike looks like a winner .. Only thing it doesnt have is magnetic bearing
What about Sram Omnium vs. ConquerElite RXL :O!
Hey Zach it’s Liam with the edge sled sadly my spinergy (death rim) broke on me, but... would you be interested in doing a more in depth bike check in Sacramento ?
Those wheels looked great but were dangerous. Hopefully you didn't get hurt. The cranksets above 105 have failed at the epoxied seam ( hollowtech). Not sure if Dura ace track cranks have the seam. Hollow forged is hollow without the epoxy seam. SRAM is iffy, Campagnolo expensive, but Sugino 75 is the old reliable. Don't risk your safety.
Hi Zach. I’ve been looking at the Chinese market for bike parts; ie carbon seat posts, stems, handle bars. How do these compare with brand-name stuff here in USA? Chinese parts are obviously way cheaper but are any of them any good? How can you tell? Thanks.
Yow man, I only buy European and American. A lot of that stuff is also produced in China, but quality control is the issue.
My ex ordered a light fixture from China and it arrived with some bends and a couple of busted soldering welds (no big deal really) and they immediately sent a new one free of charge.
It's like they expect things to be broken.
So, I guess what I'm saying is don't order bike parts from China, might just save your ass (literally).
I know you've done wheels but could u go in depth in a similar fashion to the way u did these cranks? Price vs performance mentioning specific brands? and oh... bring back fixie points!!😃
Wheels are all over greased.
Reduce the grease to 50% and every wheel is almost the same.
All will roll very fast.
Full steel wheels roll fast on 50 % grease.
Hey! The wabi's on grandpa bars!!!
Gian Pardo 😂
What does he actually always say at the end? If you are watching for your "End Al B Al" Fixed Gear?
Bolt CIRCLE diameter.... but great vid as usual.
I have a cheap ass crank and had it for 5 years already and it still spins straight.
I rode mine missing 3 Ball bearings for over 3 decades.
I just installed all the Ball bearings and took out 50 % of the grease and its still amazing to ride.
The retailer shop took out the Ball bearings.
They're sCum and out of business.
Torn between the Miche Pistard air and Omniums.
I have only ever heard people pronounce it as meesh (miche) here in england and the time I spent living in france, tho i have never heard it from an actual Italian!
Whats the difference between 165mm BCD 144mm Crankset and 170mm BCD 144mm Crankset?
Longer crank arm length which means that there’s a higher chance of pedal strike (pedal scraping the floor if leaning to one side too much) when cornering
Stronglight :)
yeah, bring back fixie points ... pls
What do you think about pizz crank set?
Their actually good, I ride them in my dosnoveta and it has a nice ride controll. Low maintenance and very durable
Flex all day with them rotors
If you don't race, why not be happy with all these economy cranks that work nice, in fact the makers did so well making the cranksets with concentric-round rings that run well on the 130bcd rings, and the chainring selection in 130mm is better than ever, so keep your $$ for survival! We are seeing harder days now so more humble times when eating well is an achievment in Spring 2020. I like the many Taiwan made cranks with the cool hoop chainrings with no cutouts in 44-52 teeth
Campagnolo record and miche primato on the track (Scratch racing)😎
I’ve read a post of some guy who broke his rotor 3d’s during a race, Not as tough as you would think. It has to do with the way the crank spider is attached. I probably would avoid those If you’re going to be doing some hard skidding , stay with suginos
I'd say through axle cranks are more reliable than square tapered. Like by a long shot
Gossip.
@@dreyn7780 Hipster.
You could have named your bike WAsaBI 😁
It is as on all things .... The perceived improvement in quality diminishes incrementally as price rises.
With "urban" fixies, a lot of the rationale for a higher spend is based on "cool points" among your tribe.
The best way to have a quality ride is to keep the machine nicely maintained. Not obsessively maintained; just looked after.
Most fixed-gear commuters or urban pose machines are not raced. Really .... you can fit very crappy, cheap components and you won't notice.
Spend money (if you must) on tyres and brakes.
And keep the chain tension right.
Cities are full of fixies with expensive components and flapping, slapping chains.
I ride so hard I bend Shimano Saint cranksets.
Everything functions properly th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Nothing was damaged in the box aside from a decal on the fork. The decal was missing a piece of a corner but I ended up peeling them off anyways. Assembly is easy BUT make sure you tune up the derailleurs. Both the front and rear need adjusting. I'd advise going to a bike shop but I opted out and put in 10+ hours with the help of TH-cam. Ended up fraying a shifter cable but all in all I learned from the experience. The Brakes work well but the front caliper needs adjusting or at least mine did because the rotor was rubbing against the pads. Make sure you swap out the seat, grips, and pedals. For the short run you'll be fine though. I've read that this bike isn't built yet for hard trails but I just need it for the city. PA has some of the worst roads and being in a mountain this was a great choice. Worth the investment!
Ive used alu praxis cranks. and Carbon SRAM cranks (400$+). I have not noticed any real difference and no measurable difference in speed or acceleration. Id put the money towards better wheels/more aero kit/ aero road helmet if it were me.
@BeboSaab if you are talking about aero gains. Those can be seen as low as 12 mph
@BeboSaab even so. Focusing on more aero kit and helmet will make you faster than fancier cranks.
i got a new messgame(? do 600w on a 200$ crankset and see how fast it breaks
I'm rolling on my Goose with a $50 crankset from Tribe Bicycles..
For me sram s300 cranks is fine...
Stupid question here, why does it seem that everyone changes chain ring size rather than rear sprocket?😣
I don't think that's true, as I feel most, myself included, just change cogs to change rations. The only reasons I can think of for changing your chain ring is that you want to maintain a certain amount of skid patches or you don't want to add or subtract links from your chain, which you have to do if you move up or down more than a few teeth.
Did someone else bend crank spider? Sugino dd is my first crunkset ever that is still stright. Not sure if it because 144bcd or because DD. My only issue now is braking alloy chain bolts.
Because changing the chainring doesn't affect the drivetrain as much as changing the cog.
I don't know exactly how it works, but have you ever riden a road bike or mtb?
If you shift gears in the rear you notice a big difference. Ignore the front gears they have differences of over ten teeth vs a single tooth per sprocket in the rear.
So basically ppl replace the chainring rather than the cog to keep a familiar feel for the bike while gaining a bit more speed.
And remember no sincere question is ever stupid. 😉
@@psychoaiko666 "I don't know exactly how it works, but [...] If you shift gears in the rear you notice a big difference. " I'm speechless
Rims!
Ouch! So if you’re not a high performance racer and you go for the more expensive crankset you’re just flexing, telegramin’ or being irresponsible with your money? You see I’ve been riding a bike for sometime off and on since I can remember and consider myself a powerful rider but when you are bending $300 cranksets and make the decision to save money for months and months to buy what you hope will be a crank set that doesn’t have play to where every time you give it torque it scratches your frame? 🤔 i just hope one of your listeners don’t hear this and think I’m just flexin’, telegramin’ or just being irresponsible with my money when in reality the $300 cranks just weren’t doing it over time.
My whole bike was $150 in 1985 and its still amazing to ride.
Its all steel and its only a fraction slow compared to 2010 era bikes.
Ball bearings haven't changed for 40 years.
You're just gossipping
yes sir , dot mind if I do!
130 bcd is no different then a 144 these days. The tales of them being lesser is from a tme when chainring production was far less capable. Nowadays a 130 bcd chainring is/can be just as strong as a 144, if anyying you've just added a tiny bit extra weight on a larger spider. That extra material and weight might add to some extra stiffness of course, which is a big deal to many. A 144bcd is a track crank becaue you can get a larger tooth chainrings, where with 130 or 110 you cannot get larger then 48/49t i believe. Not to mention you can now get all chainring for a 1/8 track chain as well.
Obviously if you compete in bike races those.factors will mean lots and make a difference in the end. But I mean if you are just a rich kid that likes to show off his bank account and believes fixie points make you extra cool, sure also. But to just say more expensive is better without all the proper information is very basic, lots of factors come imto play. Its probably fair to say the more reputable the brand, the better quality parts, instead of just asking is more expensive better. Cheers.
BCD is bolt CIRCLE diameter
for the 18th time
Do a video Bottom Brackets or Chains or Handle bars/grips.
What is the difference between a 165 crank arm and 170?
About 5mm
5mm...
Nathan Brown how does that affect on the rider?
Richard Kendrick how does that affect on the rider?
@@danielorellana4237 It depends, its just all about feel. Generally taller riders want longer cranks and shorter smaller. But some tall riders prefer short cranks. Its only like 1.5cm difference max, its tiny and really doesn't matter much. Its all down to if you feel like your muscles would benefit from being stretched more or less.
so i just know Miche true pronounce "Mi-Kay" not "Mi-Che"
its meesh, u are meant to say meesh, here in europe i have only heard people say meesh
@@Dreadlocks231 😵 whattt~
Osaka chan ...thanks... We all need understand
Another European here, I only heard it pronounced as "meeshay".
It's actually pronounced "MiKe" because its originally italian.
Spending more is woth it, but just not on Rotors
Over flying top attack is cheap and good
Hey your that guy that rides fixie bikes
What do you think about the messenger crank sets?