Why is No One Talking About this Drivetrain?
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- This is the widest range index drivetrain on the market.
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Seriously mindblowing. I didn't even believe it when I chose it for my Adventure Bike build. Like, seriously, too good to be true. I had a mini anxiety attack the night before filming my build video thinking I'd get it on the bike and learn I was an idiot to think it would work. Well...it works, and it works GREAT! And they say it's 3x more durable? I mean...why even bother with the other stuff. I'm officially a fan of 11 speed CUES.
You're that farmer dude🤙🏼
@@kaffeemitcola6506 it will work after 30 or 40 years
@@kaffeemitcola6506 it will. The low end Shimano stuff like this will lasts longer than the high end stuff.
@@kaffeemitcola6506 Even if it doesnt work after 3-4 years, as long as its only the chain and casette its not too expensive.
@@kaffeemitcola6506show me a bike component that works that long without any maintenance.
This is the only channel with real bicycle fundamentals at its core, thanks for keeping to the basics Russ.
I guess you could say Shimano did Create a Unique Experience,,,
Ha. Its slowly growing on me.
LOL
That is indeed something one could say...
@@PathLessPedaledTV in Cues 11 - speed there is also cassette variant with with 11-50T which with front 22/36T would give 744% and it should work, but I don't think it would make any sense to have so low gear, maybe someone would want to have that cassette with 26/40T which would give 699% or with 30/46T which would give 697%.
@@czaja995 I think the problem with these wide ranges around 700% will be the maximum capacity of the rear derailleur. Even if you can still use them reliably well outside the official specification, at some point the end will come. The problem is the combination of large-large and small-small sprockets. Even if you are not supposed to ride this combination, it still has to be safe enough that nothing happens. It can happen quite quickly in practice. With large-large, the chain must be long enough to prevent the rear derailleur from breaking. With small-small, the chain must not sag so much that it slips or falls off the chainrings.
My 3x9 system has 910% bandwith with rear 11-50 and front 48-32-24 😅
A mixed system of mtb components in the rear and road in the front.
Like rd-m7000 as the rear derailleur.
I was going to comment this. My 3x 9-speed with an 11-50 has crazy range and everyone in the bike industry acts like it doesn't exist. It baffles me.
It surely isn't the best option for a lot of applications and people, but as an overweight person who also loads their bike and lives in a hilly area, I need the low gears. As someone who loves mashing down hills, I need high gears. There are no-no gears, but I don't mind having to avoid cross-chaining. So yeah, not for everyone, but perfect for me.
@@firehazard1792 i have both. Some hills and flat streets. I make that bike to my needs and i must push 120 kg ( with steel bike) the hills up.
I dont say anything about the Industrie
and my bike? I dont thing that my mix mullet setup would someone buy.
I use parts outside any specs from shimano.
Its bad that everywhere the 1x drivetrain is hyped and said its the best.
For me is crap. 1x is only specific on hill or road but not both.
I run a 3 x 10 with a very similar configuration on my older mtb and it works fine. It feels as though the industry decided 25 years ago how low a bottom gear should be and has stuck within that framework ever since.
Again I’m probably atypical but I live in a hilly area, am an older parent at 50 and regularly take my young kids out on the trailer or shotgun seat. There is no such thing as too low a gear.
Interesting!🤔What cassette? Would that setup work with economy brifters, like Microshift R9?
Personally, for my monstercross daypack build, I would probably go with something like 40-30-22 on an 11-42 for a shorter chain that slaps less when jumped.. and, in personal experience, anything over 100 gear inches off road is "being ambitious" at best, while the tween gear-inch ratios on the low end help spin uphill on a single track without getting out of the saddle.. But, that's very IMHO/YMMV.
It's a shame the industry decided to brush the 3x drivetrains under the rug -- they're not that much heavier or complex than a 2x!
@@-Gothicgirl- Oh sorry, I know you weren't talking about the bike industry. I probably should have made my own comment instead of hitching on to yours. My mullet road bike is very similar to yours and I think it would serve the needs of other people too.
This is the content we need! Really helpful and surprising, thanks for highlighting this - especially in a world of high priced road spec shifters gravel bikes.
I like curly bars. GIVE US THE CUES BRIFTERS damn it! (I mean Shimano not you Russ!)
626% on my gravel setup with old 9 speed deore derailleur and cranks. But old parts are getting hard to find so this setup is ideal for those wanting new equipment
What cassette are you running?
@@roebust Able to get an 11-42 cassette with 36/22 cranks. No derrailleur hanger extender required, just needed a longer b screw. And w/9 speed can use my 105 shifters.
After coming back from a wonderful rail trail tour that trashed my GX-NX Eagle, I am so ready for 2x10 CUES with friction shifting on my Surly Bridge Club. The bike needs to do fully loaded touring but do great on long day hill country dirt road and gravel. My commuter will still be 8 speed Alfine but that is getting around town with groceries.
Do you feel the Alfine is not up to touring for some reason? I have been getting interested in the idea of internal gear hubs and belt drives for the purpose of reducing maintenance, but kind of need a bike that will do everything (mostly commuting, but also bikepacking) apart from actual mountain biking.
That in mind, I am trying to collect opinions about both components.
@@joelhenderson3723 No I don’t think the Alfine is up to the torque or range of gears for loaded touring. The is a TH-camr, Cycling About, that covers this is a very experienced and knowledgable way.
The few reviews I'm finding really support it for touring and cross country riding. Like, off road cross country. It isn't the fastest, but it's super consistent. I actually just upgraded my 12 year old to a 1x11 cues and it's great. 40t in the front and 11-45 in the back. Up to 8% grades, up or down, I'm only using like 4 or 5 of them. When i pushed the shifting on the downhill, it never felt like I had to "lever into it." The bottom bracket and crankset feel really nice, too. Very smooth pedaling and a solid power transfer. But like people have said, marketed as an included product line and for e-bikes, so no press for the broader uses when it's apparently pretty bomb proof for touring, urban, moderate trail riding, etc.
Shimano has wide range 2x11 and 2x12 in Deore, SLX, XT and XTR as well. And had it for ages but nobody talked about them as well. So they've just continued it into the CUES range.
Yeah, but the HG cassettes marketed for 2x use only go to 42T, and the rear derailleurs don't have the capacity that the CUES rear derailleur has. That said CUES is too heavy for my liking.
@@watertankhikes - 2x cassettes are 10-45. With 36-26 chainrings it gives 623% of range.
I’m happy Shimano is coming out with more reasonably priced components and (perhaps) more cross-compatible components. I wish they were better looking. It used to be that drive train components added to the looks of a bike. Now they detract.
They don't want to give it ALL to you.... necessary to have lust for the $$$ gear! And it works!
When I seen the title I thought you would talk about forgotten 3x11 Deore drivetrain. 2x CUES looks interesting given the price but I still think 2x GRX mullet can get you roughly same range. You can find more bikes with GRX 2x11 drivetrain.
For the mullet builds, I want to see what can be done with mish mash of parts that use Campy Ekar to make real adventure 2x13 dropbar setup
Knew it was Cues before you said it was Cues. That drivetrain is pretty amazing for the price point. I put two of the 6000 series ones on my kids' mountain bikes. Shifter, derailleur, chain and cassette cost me less than 150 in total per set and they work great! I have no idea why Shimano is so quiet about them and why you can barely get them aside from ebay or something. If you want to upgrade an old bike for not a lot of money, these are amazing.
I wish I would have known this sooner. I spent more than enough on A new group set for my surly trucker build.
3x7 friction shifter system works fine for majority of rides. But most of the times we wanna the shinny, new, good things in our bikes.
Well, not me; I still use an oldschool mechanic 10speed Campagnolo barend shifter converted to 11 speed to be able to use a perfect stepped 11-23 11speed cassette, but the rest of the components are also still the same nice and goodlooking Campagnolo Record carbon 10 speed components, including square taper Record carbon cranks, all on my beloved cherry-red metallic Giant Cadex CFR. The new things may be shiny, but not good; newer does not necessarily mean better. For me the new components look all the same, you need to take a closer look wether it is Shimano, or Campagnolo, just like with modern cars.
True. I have 3x9 alivio for my first bike, then got tiagra 2x10, and deore 1x11. The gear for alivio was tight enough for cadence, and wide enough for climbing gravel.
I am into this! I will join patreon. Thank you for doing this project!
That Essa derailleur looks neat, kind of fills the same niche as the Sunrace RDM900 that I think you've looked at before. I've been using the Sunrace on a 9 speed gravel conversion for a bit so waiting to see if it holds up as well as the generally bombproof Shimano stuff
Thank you, Russ, for the excellent info. I love your videos.
Ei rus, been watching ur reviews bout wide range for a while, it seems good for a daily commute.. Recently, just built mine with crank set 2x (42/28) combined with 11-46t cassette (11spd) & my RD is shimano m-6000 (10spd). And guess what, it works smooth, just got inspired with all of your test combinations. Thanks
Wow thanks so much for sharing this info! Now I'm wondering how this compares to microshift drivetrains 🤔
Love your not so mainstream content! Do you have any idea where to get 165mm cranksets? Shimano seems to do only 170 and 175mm, except for road groupsets.
Dixna La Crank or Spa Cycles.
hI Russ Bikefarmer used cues 2x oin a bike he built, but didn't use Shimamo front chainrings recently
The reason this gets ignored is that too many people want the higher spec groups and simultaneously, they abandoned the concept of front shifting and won’t or can’t possibly go back.
Mindblowing ! I had no idea about this
Hmm. I think I need this. Now what bike do I put it on
Shimano is not advertising it coz they dont want people to buy more of the cheaper stuff...😅
I’m on your patreon for stuff like this. The travel logs, not so much. Watching other people’s vacation life style is kinda depressing.
does the 45T 11speed cassette work with the 46-30 crankset as well? or just the 36-22 one?
I'd be sold if it will cross the finish line at Unbound or especially make it on the tour divide race.
Onya Russ how's that Panorama boreal going , looking forward to your review
That ESSA info is quite handy, as I still run a 2x9 drivetrain!
The x12 drivetrains are driven by mtb, where going 1x is an absolute game-changer for full suspension bikes. No one who has gone 1x will ever want to go back to 2x on a full sus bike.
Game changer? It gives frame builders a little bit more margin for tire width and chainstay length, otherwise I don't really agree. I used to have a 2x9 FS MTB, now I have a 1x12 (since that's basically the only choice anymore). I actually miss the 2x9 bike since the larger gaps between cogs made shifting more reliable long-term, plus I loved grabbing/dumping a ton of gears up front with a single click.
Personally, while 1x has some good points, I think companies jumped on board so strongly because it was a cost reduction for them (reduced frame complexity, no FD mount, etc) while also being able to charge more to the consumer.
Can you imagine what glorious ranges we would achieve if we only put THREE chainrings at the front‽
Well yes, but no. One of the limitations is the "capacity" of the rear derailleur, and the number adds the teeth difference front AND back. so, if you put three chainrings at the front with a BIGGER difference than the 2x, you will have to compromise with a smaller difference at the back ie. smaller cassette. So - it depends. 2x at the front has quite some advantages to 3x: lower weight, lower width (q-factor), much easier to shift and to adjust as the front derailleur just travels thro and fro between two "extremes" and you dont have to provide a "medium" position.
669%? Nice.
Sensah 2x12 road shifters using there 1x11 rear derailer. I have a 11-46 cassette (I like small steps).
Thanks Russ. Really interesting. I recently bought an ebike and I thought it might have cues on it because I thought that was a big reason for cues being developed. But none of the ebikes I looked at had cues available. I wonder if/when they will?
What about 3 x Sram dual drive = 96 gears or pinion x Rohloff 252 gears
I found this video because I'm curious about the Shimano Essa, which no one is actually talking about.
Brilliant. ...Is Cues compatible with Drop Bar shifters?
Would an Essa derailleur work with a Microshift Accolite cassette?
thanks
Are the steps cranks riveted c/rings?
Can I mount a another HT2 crank set and 11spd chainrings? I want to try this setup with a spider based powermeter.
Yes
Why the LG700 11-45 teeth and not the 11-50 ? Wouldn't that increase the range further?
Because the derailleur can’t handle that capacity in a 2x.
@@PathLessPedaledTV OK. Thanks. Didn't consider that.
legends
I don't Ever wanna have 2 chain rings in the front of my bike ever again.
Oh, bless your heart.
@lastfm4477 I don't believe in that kind of thing but thanks anyway.
I have to ask Russ have you tried / switched to an E Gravel rig ?
Yes tried. Switched no.
@@PathLessPedaledTV The salsa confluence cues has my eye.
Woo hoo! Support Russ people!! ;-)
Will Shimano 11 speed brifters work with Cues?
No
What gravel/road levers will match this cues group if compatible?
All with the same number of gears. 8-speed with Claris, 9-speed with Sora, 10-speed with Tiagra/GRX400, 11-speed with 105 and above/GRX 600 and above.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 Please learn about Shimano's current offerings before giving someone wrong answers. There are NO current Shimano drop-bar shifters that will work with CUES RD's or FD's.
Currently I’m running an Acera rear derailleur with friction shifting. Cues looks interesting but dang that’s one ugly derailleur.
I work in a bike shop, and the insights and knowledge you give into Cues, I'm sure will cover this donation. I'm super curious to see how drop bar cues pans out!
Shimano existed when cycling was a minor hobby, not a phenomenal market driven profit making industry!
I've gotten lazy with maintenance which is why I love my Pinion and belt drive, but this is impressive stuff from Shimano. If I go back to traditional drive train, this is probably the way to go. Would love to see more about it!
This is seriously the only direction the industry can go to stay viable, making it affordable and versitile.
There is such a huge amount of folks like myself that could never afford these ridiculously high prices like those derailleurs and these other bikes/components on the market.
Outpricing people is insane and not sustainable. Hopefully Cues sets a new industry trend so more people have access to good quality cycling!
Agreed, unfortunately the industry doesnt seem to be slowing down the price point increases, though theres plenty of people like us not willing or able to meet those price points, theres still loads of people out there spending tons of money on all the newest tech as it comes out.
Thats why Ive been buying mostly secondhand stuff to build/maintain my bikes 🤣
I can afford it and still don’t find AXS worth the money, I’ll take this over the super light, high end, fast wearing stuff all day. Rider makes more difference than a few hundred grams.
If you go outside Shimano, there are groups with very high level features for 1/3 of the price.
Exactly! Bikes and components that we all can afford. This is the first time I hear about Cues.
This information is way more valuable than other channels
Hi Russ Shimano have made a number of extremely wide range drive trains over the last few years but the media does not seem interested and only because of my own interest and backpacking bikes up of fitted them to a number of my bikes.
First there was Shimano XT 3x11, then the Shimano XT 2x12 and lower end models of these twodrive trains.
I learned about the Shimano Cues in early 2021 because of my love of extreme gear range drive trains and the local Shimano rep who knew I would be one of the few that would like the new product range.
There is a number of road bike shifters coming to suit this group set .
And it’s a way of shops not having to carry so much product to be able to fix more customers bikes.
Unfortunately, because of a severe Brain Injury from an accident (would’ve been dead if I had not been wearing a helmet) and having to stop working and riding I forgot all about it.
There was a timeframe some of the information I got to see with different parts of the group System being released .
@overland_adventure_nz Hey kiwi farmer, you have done some very interesting trips in some very interesting places. And thanks for the playlist compilations; sorting the wheat from the chaff so to speak. I'll be working through them and will keep checking in for new ones. Wishing you well post concussion.
Panorama are bike packing specialists. They are a Canadian brand not far from where I live and they have engineers who are looking to create unique, purpose-specific steel adventure bikes for the back roads, at very competitive prices for the recreational cyclist. They are a small company and if you write them, you get an answer from someone who is building the bikes. It is very understandable to me why they chose CUES because low price and useful gearing is what they aim for. They are 650b fans too and offer steel forks. I have no connection with the company, but am considering building up a bike from them, because of the details in their stock frames.
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I've been running 1x9 CUES for a while now (U4000 rear, U6000 front), and I can confirm that is quite nice, even great, I could say. The shifting is lighyears away compared to other cheap-o 1x9's. And the 11-46T cassette is more than enough for me (32T front)
SHIMANO ACERA Rear Derailleur 8-speed RD-M3020-8 long *25, Shimano HG51 8-Speed Cassette (11-32) *20, Front Derailleur Altus FD-M310 3x7/8 * 20, Shimano M361 Hybrid Crankset *35 (42-22 bolt on chain rings), 9 speed chain for more wiggle room on friction shifters *20. this is what im rocking, loving it, dont break the bank either. the cage still has some room to tweak a higher high or lower low if needed. 4.82-.69
Do you mean 3.82? Haven't worked it out exactly but 42-11 is definitely less than 4 :-)
@@The1trueDave yup, 3.82. numbers are hard sometimes. lol
Awesome, can’t wait for the results with drop bar shifters!
I've been using 2x Cues system now for 2000-2500 km with friction shifting and of course Uno for the rear derailleur. Originally I had 10 speed cassette at the back, but the gears never felt like they were on. I think it was somehow my fault, but still I put on an 8 speed cassette and since it's worked flawless. At least for friction I like it that Cues derailleur is perhaps a bit rough when it changes, because it's easier for me to know when it's making the changes. Yesterday I rode 52 km including 20 km gravel and the rest pavement in about 1h 50min. My Singular Peregrine sure ain't the lightest of the bikse and I had my Carradice Nelson and a frame bag full of stuff and that's all the speed I will ever need. From my experience Cues works flawlessly. All this remainds me that I learned everything about Cues and friction shifting from this channel, so it's time to go to Patreon. Thank you, Russ, for all of your work!
Mainstream ignores this because it's not electronic, and not in top level road/ MTB racing.
I have 2x10 XTR on my XC bike and it is amazing. I have all the low and top I need. I can run a 42t front which on flat gives me almost road bike speed. I think a lot of people have trouble understanding front derailures. I meet a lot of soo called cyclists that can't figure out how gears actually work. 1x is fisherprice for beginners. Sure it's lighter..but when you get to 13 and 14 speed it isn't really..and the range still isn't all there.
Hey Russ, great and informative content as always, I love to see as Shimano cues Vs Microshift Sword groupset comparison/stand off….thanks for all the content!
Given that you can run 46t on a GRX812 rear derailleur with a stated capacity of 42t (that's the setup I have on my gravel/commuter bike, totally stock without a goat link or any other hacks)I wouldn't be surprised if you could run 50t on a Shimano derailleur with a 45t stated capacity - they seem to be pretty conservative with their specs.
Can anyone explain the math here:
Min: 26:45 = 0,5777
Max: 40:11= 3,6363
Overall gear range is Max:Minx100
-> 3,6363 : 0,5777 = 6,29444 * 100 = 629,44% and not 669% as claimed…
What am I doing wrong?
Be perfect for a gravel bike. Way cheaper than grx
One big downside is that they are listed as riveted. Though the crank really isn't the interesting part here. The derailleur and cassette should work with any mtb double or square taper 3x converted to double
Or Shimano Octalink or SRAM/Truvativ Power Spline. Lots of lightly used ones on eBay.
I came here to say the same thing. A pretty crappy (and heavy) throwaway crank, IMHO.
@@watertankhikes You will almost never see an influencer promoting the use of anything but brand new items.
I may pick up a rear der and a cassette or two. Thanks for the idea.
@@ericginsburg7192 the cassettes are heavy, due to teeth thickness; they seem to be designed to hold up to ebike mid-motors. And a bike mechanic told me that cog-chamge on shifts are slow, largely due to cassette design; "good for his commuter bike, but not his trail bike".
I feel guilty rooting for Cues trying unify the 9-11 space in Road, Utility and MTB. My bikes live in the 7-8 space because it's forgiving and they play nice.
I may have missed this in the video, but is it able to cross-chain? Even though you or I know not to cross-chain, I want to make sure it is able to before I recommend it to my friends who have less shifting discipline.
Yes
Very cool but 40T chainring and 11T cog is not high enough gear.
What about a 46-30 ‘super compact’ crankset, though?
Much faster than a 32/11 or even 32/10 you get on most standard MTBs at the time.
The nice thing about the 2x Cues 6020 build is that it is at the theoretical maximum range for its capacity and the small front chainring size. If you fix the capacity, C and front small chainring FS (and rear small RS=11 ), then after some differentiation, you can find the optimal front difference (or equivalently large front chainring size) that maximizes the range. The large rear sprocket is set by the remaining capacity. The formula is FD=(RS+C-FS)/2. At this optimal value the largest front and rear sprockets are the same size FB=RB=FS+FD (though the theoretical value may be a fraction). This analysis tells us how to distribute the capacity between front and back for a given FS size such that the range is maximized.
For the 6020-11 (C=48) here are the results
FS=22: Front: 22/41, Rear: 11/40, Range: 678% (FB of 40-42 and correspondingly RB of 41-39 give almost identical range)
FS=26: Front 26/42, Rear: 11/43, Range: 631% (neighbouring values give almost identical range)
FS=30: Front: 30/45, Rear: 11/44 Range: 600% (neighbouring values give almost identical range)
FS=32: Front: 32/46, Rear: 11/45 Range: 588% (neighbouring values give almost identical range)
The 6020 has a 14 tooth max FD so the FS=30 option might notwork but could be adjusted to 30/44 11/45, which has the same 600% range. The FS=22 optimal config has a front difference of 19, well beyond the limit, while the FS=26 config has a front difference of 16 which might work or could be dropped to 14 for a very similar range.
So what cranks are available for the 6020-11? We have 22/36 and 32/46 in the 6000 series and a 26/40 in the 4000 series. There is a 30/46 but that is for 10 speed (the 6020-10 has a lower capacity and higher max front difference).
From the numbers above, we can see that the 32/46 provides the optimal range for a 32 small chainring.The 26/40 is also very close to optimal. Only the 22/36 is a bit off, providing 669% instead of the optimum of 678% achievable with a wider crank and narrower cassete. But overall very close. This is all achievable because of the 45 max rear sprocket size of the 6020, something we didn't have before.
For comparison, my M610 deraileur has a capacity of 43 (max front difference of 22) and my crank is 26/36/48. For a 26 small front chainring and 43 capacity, the best range would be achieved with a front difference of 14 i.e. 26/40 on the front and 11-40 on the back. This would give a range of 559% with this deraileaur compared to the 537% I have now.
A small difference perhaps, but the fact that Cues brings us close to the optimal configuration appeals to my mathematical sensibilities.
Appreciate the info. Still rocking 3x9s
What about on old triple up the front? I have a triple on one of my old race MTBs which is 52/34/22. The Cues crank set looks like it's made of lead. Extra heavy lead
But only in 170 or 175mm crank arm lengths. When will major manufacturers ever get out of this mindset of not offering shorter lengths?
My question though is what value does this provide in real riding... Even with a 1x you get 500% range, thats a gear at 4mph@60rpm and a gear at 20mph@60rpm.
If im going more than 20mph, i just relax :D
I'm loving the Cues 2x setup on our Bridgeclub project. It just works and is an incredible value. I'm still rooting for Microshift in this category but it's good that Shimano is also focused on producing good products in this price range.
I am running a 38-28, 11-34 Alivio. If i "downgraded" to Shimano 8-speed Acera, i could use CS-HG400-8 11-45 cassette and a matching Acera derailleur. That's been available before Cues came into the scene. Can get even more range if i go 3X.
Range is not everything, that's why i'm sticking to my current Alivio setup. Won't even bother getting the 11-36 cassette, or maybe i'd get one if i upgraded to a 46-30 crankset.
I'm running an 11s cues "kit" (rear derailleur, 11-45, chain and trigger) with the bike's original 24-34-42 crankset on my commuter. Only complaint is downshift is only two gears max per stroke (still miss my XT 4 max per stroke from the late 90s).
I guess some Chinesium could just produce a Cues Brifter and tada problem solved
You can't patent a pull ratio isn't it...
Way cool info...........thanks Russ, for the content you provide.
While I'm not in the market (nor much interested) in any new/current drivetrain bits, it's always great to know what's out there and available, especially when it's something odd and actually useful for folks such as ourselves.
My own setup, on my do-everything touring/gravel/utility/cruising/commuting bike, looks like this:
3 x 9 drivetrain.
Cooks E Cranks with 20/32/42 chainrings.
Older Shimano "mega-9" derailleurs.
"Shimano" 11-36, 9x cassette, (actually one of the various chinese knock-offs that works just fine).
Microshift 9x thumbshifters (with my own custom-bodged mounts so that they work on my Cowchipper drop bars)\
9x Connex chain.
(note: that I'm running 700x50c tires) (note also that I'm using a Phil bb, so that I can dial in a perfect chainline...important when running 3x chainrings)
16.32 to 104.16 gear inches...........612% spread.
As damn near perfect for me and my needs as it gets.
Do I really need the Cues crankset? They sure look heavy. It seems like a light weight triple MtB crank set using the Granny & middle rings could accomplish the same thing & make a bit more space in my 'junk drawer'.
no.
not only they are heavy, but you can't swap chainrings when those wear out. Or simply find yourself uncomfortable with exact teeth count.
You could also use the Deore 5100 range for cranks, which are pretty cheap and versatile, with exchangable chain rings. No idea about the weight though.
I've got a spare 3x 22/33/44 lying around and am going to build up a road bike with it soon. Will test my 11-42 cassette and see what happens. That's a lot of range but I doubt my current rear mech could take it. I think with enough fiddling, you can probably get most things to work
@bikefarmer just installed CUES on his latest bike and touted the huge range. No drop-bar shifters yet though, right?
This kind of content is why I support your Patreon channel.
Great discussion and I agree cues is a good affordable option and I used the 6000 series cues 2x11 to convert my old Giant CRX1 hybrid bike without changing the 50/34 chainrings.
Shifting is smooth and reliable unlike my 1x12 bike.
Here is a summary:
GIANT CRX 1, 50/34T, 11-28T 10 SPEED Conversion to Cues 6000 - (2X11)
CASSETTE: SHIMANO LINKGLIDE Cassette 11-speed 11-45T [Model No: CS-LG400-11],
DERAILLEUR: REAR SHIMANO CUES SHADOW RD 11-SPEED [Model No: RD-U6020-11],
SHIFTER: SHIMANO CUES RAPIDFIRE PLUS SHIFTER CLAMP BAND 11-SPEED [Model No: SL-U6000-11R]
Chain - 10/11-speed LINKGLIDE Chain [Model No: CN-LG500]
Imagine Campagnolo creating Cues instead od Shimano. The futures that would open
My wife's rim brake road bike from 2015 has a Deore 36/22 crankset with a 11-42 cassette on the back and it works with a short cage rear derailleur and a road link.
Did she watch a lot of durianrider videos? He made that hack popular back then for people trying Everesting and epic climbing rides. I'm not sure it works as well with modern short cage stuff but the old parts are out there going cheap...
You should buy components, and build a bike. Review it and then sell it. Pretty sure a lot of people here would be buying bikes from you. The money would be invested back into another bike the next months.
When I saw the title of the video I KNEW you'd be talking about CUES. A while back Rivendell offered a 9-speed CUES deraileur AND shifter for $10 (just checked, still available) which I bought. In order to make it work I bought a 2x CUES square taper 40-24 crankset, an 11-36 9-speed CUES cassette, A CUES front shifter and chain. All in for about $100. As soon as they turn off the blowtorch in my garage (I live near Phoenix) I'm gonna install it on a 90s Trek mountain bike just to see how it works.
Who’s got that GCN $$
How does one support using cashapp? What account?
I bet a shop would send you what you need and let you send it back to offset the value?
Looks like I found my crank for my wide range double! Thank you Russ!
Russ, I don't know if you have tested it before, but Microshift make a 10-speed Shimano MTB compatible rear derailleur, the RD-M62L. It has 47T capacity, and up to 42T cassette supported. Pair that with a 40/26 crankset, and you also get a massive range!
47t capacity? WHAT
@@jurekgadzinowski2895 the Micro shift 10 speed comes with a cassette that si 11-48, not 11-47.. at least the one i rode a few years ago. The cassette was almost positively made by Sunrace as all the cogs are the exact same teeth number and construction and assembled exactly like the Sunrace cassette, , with the exception of the largest cog at 48t instead of the 46t sunrace. BTW, I visited the Taipei Sunrace factory in Taipei in 2019 ( I had an 8 hour layover at the airport and looked them up.. they were only 4 kilometers away from the airport). They were very cordial when I showed up unannounced at the security gate house.The guard called up and they came out, met me, took me inside and showed me their newest products and chatted with me for about forty five minutes. They seemed slightly surprised to hear just how successful I had been racing their 11-46t cassette on my 3 x 10 xc bike.
@@jurekgadzinowski2895 Shimano's Deore XT has the same capacity (RD-T8000-SGS), but it supports up to 36T cassette, because it's designed for a 3x10 drivetrain.
I'm using a Microshift, R9 I think, long cage road RD, with an 11-36 cassette, 50/34 cranks, and mated to Ultegra 10 speed brifters. Almost gives me the range I'm looking for. Wouldn't mind a bit more down lower!
That's an interesting choice. For another option, I just completed a drivetrain using the Shimano RD-M5120 which has a ton of cross compatibility: 10 or 11 speed, a 42T max cog when used in 2x or 46T in 1x, and a 41T capacity that I blew past to 45T and it still works (26/42 in front, 11-42 in rear). There's also a clutch. Costs about the same as that Microshift.
Would love to see if this work with brifters
Sounds fantastic! What friction shifters will work with this 2x setup?
Riv silver bar end will work for the front derailleur but you’ll need an Uno shifter or Microshift 12spd in friction.
@@PathLessPedaledTV seems like a good reason for an Uno shifter in bar end configuration!
Closer gear ratios allow for more optimal cadence at speed. This is important for training.
This channel isn’t about training.
I wish you brought this out earlier lol 😂 I have been struggling to get my 2x cues system to work on a 11 to 48 cassette. I currently have gear positions that I stay out of because of chain length too short and too long. I am going to give the 8020 a go to hopefully get more gear options with less risk to damaging something. Thanks again for your content.
Shimano GRX RD handles 11-42 cassette with road pull ratio, so not sure I see this as THAT revolutionary. Would be interesting to see if GRX can handle 11-45.
Previously the GRX 400 RD had a wider range over the GRX 2x11sp. 800/600 RD. But, Shimano made the new 12sp GRX 820 RD with even *more* range than the 400 had. That thing could definitely do an 11-45T cassette.
That pizza analogy was absolutely perfect