“untouchable, unattainable, immortal status. the man retired from the NBA decades ago yet it still remains, Michel Jordan. and THEN everyone else” jimmy never disappoints with the closers
That part where players talk about jordan as if hes a higher being is really consistent. Every single "jordan story" telling is delivered with a certain level of awe/mazement in their eyes
Pre social media era, leads to a more mythical feeling, that’s why you won’t really see these kind of story telling about any current nba players. That doesn’t mean Jordan is the best player of all time 😂
@@almightyyeezydab5149 social media is irrelevant here. im talking about those players mentioned in the video. Their own stories about jordan. Your comment dont make sense hahahaha
I think it's also worth noting that the players who played against/with MJ and chose Lebron as their GOAT consisted of only 3 players: Bill Laimbeer, Isiah Thomas, and Scottie Pippen. All of these 3 have noted their personal grudges against Michael Jordan. Obviously, I love these players and they are all all-time greats, but that's pretty interesting that the only 3 players to have witnessed Jordan live and voted against him also have personal reasons to dislike him.
Karl malone and Gary payton said LeBron also and John salley and Dennis Rodman actually said pippen was the most talented player ever some people really just think that especially guys from the 80's or the generation before Jordan all say LeBron I notice that also
You Sir have been on a crazy streak, don't remember seeing a bad or an okay average video from this channel, they're all just great and well constructed
@Bandup Zay well tbh, I trust jimmy to the point where I believe his research is all valid. He showed like mini proof w the clips of him saying “Jordan, Jordan , LeBron, Jordan”, etc. so even if AI said Bron is better, he prob just switched his answer at some point🤷🏽♂️
What I miss the most and the old theme song and the dolphin sfx. I used to love hearing this track as it instilled that I was going to get a deep dive in whatever Jimmy was going to bring us. It's now nostalgic. But to me it's branded Jimmy.
@@garythesnail4246 the links aren’t to those videos it’s to some bad music that makes me wish I was even listening to lil pump instead don’t worry the research is solid from Jimmy
Mike was truly unbelievable. Its so hard to fathom how somebody can be so amazing at the game and then have the perfect career on top of it. Pure excellence.
@@yourname427 steroids don’t help you be better at basketball lmao. It just helps your muscle recover faster so u can keep working out and makes ur muscles bigger
been watching you since 2018, gotta say, since then, the quality of your videos are insane now. and the closers you give, have such a great impact for the message you're telling. the amount of hardwork you put into the research and scripting is something ill never be able to imagine. beautiful video Jimmy
Tbh i love jxmys work but in this case i have some argues. Most important, 112 players is not concider a capable sample when we refer to tens of thaousands of players throughout the nba history. Second, sample should be taken equally from players of all decades wich is imposible to do now since players who played in the first decades are no longer alive or to old to even bother to concider participating in this serioucly. Third, an average player's opinion is not having the same importance as the one of a hof. HOF players usually play the game longer. In order to do that they must win more wich means they must be better of others. Being that allou them to understand and critisize others. Also this whould only means something if we somehow have a way to be sure that opinions are authentic and players not gonna change their mind ever, wich as you see from some players is way far from the trouth. So even if i find this channel the best in yt i have doubts about this one.
I thought you were cap I’m not gonna lie. Dick suckers and cap artists sadly go hand in hand. You were not though 🤯 the vids in 2018 were definitely quality but these mfs are insane
Been watching Jxmy for a while now and it’s amazing to see the growth within the channel. Carrying on the torch of the likes of Mike Korzemba and telling amazing what ifs and sharing the history of basketball to us younger audiences!
He took the torch from Mike Korzemba years ago bro. I don’t even click on his videos no more…….most of the things he talk about always sound like prior knowledge and boring
@@RicoSoprano_ I copy that, but I wouldn't rate Mike down. To be honest, Jimmy's videos are simply very very good and there is reason why people are calling him the g.o.a.t. of NBA videos on youtube. So being worse than the goat is not something anybody should be criticized for.
@@melfox215 no I’m not saying that but something happened with the quality of Mikes videos are maybe he became stagnant and his formula don’t work anymore. I know one thing I don’t want to watch is some fake azz conspiracy videos. He really just needs to stop doing those
You hit the nail on the head in the last two minutes of the video. Every interview I’ve seen about MJ you can see the emotion in the players faces when talking about him that you don’t see when talking about anyone else. Michael Jordan put the fear of god into his opponents.
@@bits8031 you're running around talking shit about MJ because Jxmy said (and 60%+ of NBA players) think he's the GOAT LMAOOO get off Bron's schlong my guy
Jordan was wholly obsessed with winning like no other player in NBA history. Thats what made him practice more, push his teammates more, and drove his killer instinct to be the best. Not to mention his natural ability was head and shoulders above everyone else. I watched him on TV growing up every chance I got. Saw the commercials. Watched people overseas mob him like a rock star. The NBA grew into an international business because of Jordan. People my age 45-50 know what im talking about. The things the man did on the court were unreal and the NBA blew up because of it. No one has had an impact the way MJ did.
Jordan was the only one obsessed? You think he was the only one that practice more? Killer instinct? What does that actually mean? He was th only one to have killer instinct? . Here's the problem. The hype, if a person says MJ the goat all the time, people will believe it. Watched people overseas mob him? They mobbed NBA players.How did he make the NBA an international sport? There's no NBA over here. I'm 57 and what you were saying isn't necessarily accurate, Things on the NBA were unreal, ok. but at the age of 45-50 have you seen Juius Erving play? I don't know about the NBA blew up because of him. What about Magic, Bird, Doc that were before him. David Stern also did a great job of marketing the league.
@grosskopf2779 "Jordan was the only one obsessed? You think he was the only one that practice more?" He is the only one where literally DOZENS of teammates tell stories that their practices were harder than the games, because of him, yes. :) That he only slept a few hours a night, that he was (even with 40) the guy with the most hours in the gym. "Killer instinct? What does that actually mean?" What do you think? :) It means what it means. He was relentless, he LIVED to destroy others during games. Not so "groß", your "kopf", hm? ;)
Not only is the research incredible on these episodes, but your writing, delivery, editing style, and music selection are on point. You've really become a great cinematographer in addition to being a very cool basketball head. Keep up the great work Jimmy!
I’m old enough to remember when Wilt would get talked about a lot more in these discussions. It would be curious to see what happens in a decade or two when people in their 40s and 50s never saw MJ play or don’t have any idea what the aura was that surrounded him while he was playing. LeBron is one of one but imagine the 2015-16 Warriors. Now imagine that level of fear in one player. That was Jordan.
if anyone still denies MJ's status after his ultimate mixtape, his accomplishments, and records (reg season, post season, and career)...they can never be convinced...probably insist that 2+2=5 as well LOL...MJ was scoring on bigs of the 80's/90's like it was nothing...he'd do everything in his mixtape to today's current players...even Lebron...and probably be in their head and have them out of their game even before tip off with trash talk...
Was around for MJ/kobe/bron and if you enjoy MJ/kobe style than Lebron is nowhere on your top list. Wilt "dominated" just like bron does but if you fell in love with basketball cause of finesse and difficulty of shots under pressure its always going to be MJ > Kobe > the rest.
jxmy, whenever i finish watching any of your videos, i am in amazement. you bring so much more information to me which i had never known and you always do extensive research which makes your videos even greater. i am in awe about how you deliver these videos so well, and as a casual nba fan, i wasnt sure there was many new things to be discovered. although you just make me learn something new every time. thank you
Scottie went from saying "There's not a single situation where I'd pick LeBron over Michael." In the beginning of 2020 to "LeBron is the GOAT" just a couple weeks after a certain documentary aired. I wonder why that is. I also remember him saying he himself is the GOAT not that long ago.
@@NostalgicMem0ries ikr ? how can 2 three-peats, 1 dpoy, 10 times annual points leader, 6 fmvp, 5 mvp and 6 rings not be better ? I mean the only reason he dont have 6 mvp its because that will make him the devil while he is god 🤣
@@dec6p year right. a big goof playing Basketball. he cant do shit but play BB. can he win a scate contest? can he win gold in gymnastic. no because he is a big goof playing basketball, he could be good in other sports like volleyball.
What a beautiful ending to your video. You really evoke emotion with your words, tone, and how you phrase things. Helps your videos stand out even more from the rest of the internet.
Being the GOAT...is a combination of Metal toughness, Passion for the game, Leadership & believe in your teammates. With that said MJ- Bulls, Garnett- Timberwolves, A.I-76ers, Kobe-Lakers, all showed these traits in their Careers as much as LeBron doubted himself when with the Cavs..left for Miami then LA...I Truly believe MJ earned his stripes the right way & he stopped playing the game when he felt he had nothing else to prove..much respect to all these NBA greats..twende kazi..🇰🇪
I understand the votes for Kobe. His various serious injuries were painful to watch, with his tremendous will to compete. he achieved a lot in spite of it. And worked on his defense until he was scary. Heart and willpower that was second to none.
And as I completely expected Jordan as number one and Kobe being ranked a lot higher in the eyes of his peers than the average Joe. Game recognize game, and if Kobe is seen as the closest thing ever to the GOAT (Jordan) , then of course it stands to reason than he should be ranked higher.
You get that too when it's fans who've played any form of competitive ball vs those who are just fans or what have you. Every person I talk to that I played with whether it be as a teen or playing for my post team in the military, has Kobe as #2 behind Jordan. They all appreciate the hell out of the blend of different players that makes up lebron but can see that Kobe was a complete different monster while Jordan was even levels higher than Kobe. Phil Jackson once alluded to something similar. Kobe had that "it" factor like Jordan had, only Jordan had "it" times 10!
Bro he’s already high enough I have him at 7th jxmy has him 5th and this video ranked it 3rd THIRD bro how high u think Kobe over Lebron? If u do plz click off
Jordan was also never afraid of failure. He tried everything, took the last shot, and never backed down even in the toughest moments. Heck he even joined the three point contest. As great as Lebron is, i always felt he was scared to fail or get embarrassed if he missed the game-winning shot or didn't win in a contest like a dunk contest or somethin.
Lebron has way more skill than any NBA player ever, but he doesn't have the win it all right now mentality that Bird, Kobe and MJ had. I've seen Lebron miss wide open lay ups with 5 seconds left. Larry shot the ball from behind the backboard, MJ would dunk in your face, Kobe would score the last 8 points of the game. Even Magic, Hakeem, Duncan, Isiah, Curry and Shaq were/are better winners.
@@JustLikeHeaven77He has no go to move other than the bum rush to the rack aka Karl Malone. No real post game to speak of. Nothing special as far his ball handling other than the elbows he uses to clear space. Never improved his free throws. He gets lazy and settles for 3 pointers too often. He hasn’t been committed to playing defense but for 1/4 of his career. He is a liability nowadays.
Mike moved like water through a stream. His dominance was complete and effortless. Once he put put his mark on the league it was Jordan and then everyone else. And it's still Jordan and then everyone else.
Michael Jordan played in a weak expansive league with no one like him. Lebron would’ve been 8-0 in the finals, because he wouldn’t have had to take time off because he was gambling.
Not to mention Jordan is actually so bad at shooting threes it’s Honestly funny. He had one year where he shot 50% on 1 three a game that saved him from being well under 30% from three
If you gave lebron the same team, same era, same everything. He’s not going to small enough for the bad boy pistions to beat on him. People are just stuck on the nostalgia of Jordan. They don’t want to drop the curtain and look at the facts.
I am sick and tired of the GOAT debate, but, my man, this video was too good. If I EVER have to debate with someone about this, I'll just send this video. Great stuff, Jimmy!! As always, your uploads are pure quality! Thank you!
@@legendarywiimaster I don't watch basketball I didn't know who Michael Jordan was since no one knows who he is here, but some people still know lebron
Kobe ranked himself as #1 against MJ & LeBron on the James Corden show BUT he was under pressure & was gonna have to eat disgusting food if he didn't answer lol
I’d like to preface this by saying that I played basketball in NYC in an all black high school and got my nick name from the brothers playing at The Cage and at Rucker Park. We were all trying to emulate what Larry bird was doing on the playground and it was impossible for us. However, I remember hearing what Pat Riley said, “If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game, I’d choose Michael Jordan, but if I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life, I’d take Larry Bird."
This video was BACK TO TOP QUALITY. Amazing video, the best of yours in a while, some of your others were just thrown together random facts. But this is what you're best at - putting together a single story around a single narrative.
I think we are in the middle of watching some of the greatest talent that has ever graced the NBA and it's amazing to be able to experience it. But nothing gives me chills like watching Jordan play and being reminded I got to grow up watching him in his prime. Jordan is the GOAT. Always will be.
Not saying he isn't the goat. But like you mention yourself...you grew up watching him. No matter how good a player is today he will probably never give you the same feeling as the player you grew up with, mixed with nostalgia. Just like a lot of adults still love the artists they grew up with (old heads). A lot of natural bias in these discussions
@@simonhersberger682 grew up on Nas but Rakim is the gold standard so I don't believe that logic so I grew up on Nas but I know Rakim or KrsOne are those dudes
🧢 Lebrons legacy is just better his longevity, 10 finals appearances in a tougher era the way he carries himself, his seed look at his kids they both will surly make the nba Jordan’s sons we’re a bust and that’s the problems with these old heads y’all say no one will ever surpass jordan stop it y’all can’t predict the future. Lebron just has done more and is simply better and they older he gets the more I realize he better than MJ
@@yungmayo4037 Bro, you really calling MJ's kids busts because they didn't make the league? How can you predict that both Lebron kids make the league? Practice what you preach. Rarely hear people say no one will ever surpass Jordan. Its just that Lebron will never surpass Jordan even he drags on for another 10 years. 10 finals appearances but with six losses including a garbage bubble chip against a 6th seed Miami with 2 top players injured. Goat can't even break even.
And a lot of the people who voted Jordan idolised him as a child. I don't think NBA players are great people to ask who the GOAT is because they have a more emotional investment in their answer and are more likely to be biased
@@jwil0508-4 They are exactly who you want to ask. How would a fan know more than them? We are watching this stuff on TV, they're in it. With that said, context needs to be considered. If the player has a beef with Jordan it would obviously factor into their opinion.
Hey Jimmy, is there a way for you to calculate how INFLUENTIAL a player was? Meaning, how was the game changed after that player arrived? To me it is obvious how much the game and players have changed via Jordan and now Curry. But I would be curious to see how Dr. J and Kareem affected play after their tenure. And/or if there are other very influential players.
Most influential list IMO: 1. MJ (changed a bunch of things) 2. Dr. J (Put game "above the rim") 3. Iverson (Put hip-hop style in the game) 4. LeBron (player movement & pass-ball-to-the-open-man during crunch time) 5. Curry (obvious here) 6. Kenny Sailors (first man to shoot jump shot, ever) 7. Harden (step-back) 8. Wilt (widened free throw lane and put goaltending in the game) 9. Hakeem (footwork) 10. Kobe (work-ethic and taking triple-team shots)
@@MrVSaxAndCrew curry has to be higher imo. he literally revolutionized the entire game. if you look at games from before his takeover, everything is different. even the spacing on the court is completely different
Kobe’s respect and admiration has always been much higher from his contemporaries and other hoopers than from the fans and the sports media that choose the award winners. Contemporary Testimonials will always be above the opinions of fans and media pundits, most of whom never actually played the sport. Fear and intimidation dont show up in the stat sheet. Kobe was 2nd to only Mike in that department
Kobe beating Ray Allen + Paul Pierce + KG + Rondo (at his best) is always bigger than LBJ's competition. It is notable that Kobe welcomes adversity. I put him next to MJ, even if Wilt and Kareem is in the room.
Lol, depends on when in Kobes career you talking about, I can remember Kobe being the 3rd best player on the Lakers behind Shaq and Eddie Jones, Jordan was the best player on his team from day one, same with LeBron.
Excellent!! When he said "I don't think it's what you expect" I think he meant just how overwhelming MJ won over LBJ. Frankly, I'm not surprised. MJ is the G.O.A.T., and it's not even close. Kudos for a job well done.
I think most casuals would be surprised at how overhelming LBJ won against Kobe. If you judge players by Twitter and TH-cam comments, you would think Lebron is not even top 5 of all time. Most casuals on twitter always said Kobe is better than Lebron lmao.
@@ggh_-ts6pn I myself will place Kobe over LeBron too . Lebron is too pretentious , unnecessarily showing too much aggression even while simple dunks, always seeking limelight and he is too arrogant to be a goat for me. Idc what stats he is having I will rather watch Kobe play whole life rather than LeBron. I always seek humbleness yet complete passion for the game which MJ , Kobe , Dr. J , WIlt have displayed so well.
@@ggh_-ts6pn "while LBJ is 1b to MJ 1a" Damn, still holding onto that despite all the overwhelming evidence against it.....LeBron is a clear #2 and MJ is a clear #1. There is no 1a and 1b.
@@inefekt Overwhelming evidence? Statistics tells the opposite. Top scorer of all time while being top 5 in assists and top 5 in blocks, most wins in playoff series, most points in playoff series, most points in 4th quarters and most points in clutch time in playoff series of all time. He is 1b because depending on the metrics you used he can be the GOAT.
I remember watching MJ when he first came back from baseball. Before that, I thought that he was literally unbeatable. When he got eliminated in 95' I thought maybe he's just not MJ anymore... maybe things are different now and he's just like other great players who maybe got unlucky or beaten sometimes. It was a weird feeling because MJ losing a big game wasn't even on the table before that. Then he came back the next year and he led the greatest team of all time to a championship. When he was back, I felt like he was the same guy who had won the first 3 championships. He was absolutely untouchable. That feeling stayed with me until he took his final shot with the Bulls over Byron Russel to clinch game 6 of the NBA Finals. MJ at his best wouldn't/couldn't lose. Lebron is 95' MJ(45), he's capable of some great play, and winning a championship but he can be beaten by another great player or maybe lose a big series. The greatest players sometimes lose or get outplayed. When Jordan was at his best, he never let me think of him in any other way, he was unbeatable. That's why he's the GOAT.
Yet, Bird and the Celtics swept Jordan and the bulls in the playoffs TWICE. No wonder when Bird retired Jordan sent him a video saying he was glad he was retiring because he ruined a lot of his games! Once Bird retired, Jordan began to dominate. But these 2000 and later players and fans aren't up to snuff to truly judge who was the greatest all around player of all time - Larry Joe Bird, the "Legend".
@@libertypastor1307 opinion? Nahh opinions are fine but what your suggesting is completely ridiculous. But it's a free country after all. I can't and won't control what you say
Jxmy loves LeBron. You wouldn’t know it from this video. His unbias approach is what makes him stand above the rest especially mainstream sports media. My favorite sports youtube channel by the circumference of the Earth
Impact on the current player but not on the game. Mj did not change the game but someone like curry literally changed the game. in 10 years of time, if you ask any active nba players they would overwhiliming say it is James becuse that is whom they watched,
@@rahiemthomas5617 James took three different franchies, three different coaches , three different teams to the finals and won it. Name one chip MJ won without the great phil Jackson or even scottie pippin. In fact, Jordarn coun't even take his team to a confrence finals on his own. It is what it is ..
No matter what… ain’t no way MJ legacy gonna be forgotten. Decades will go by and MJ will still be sung about. When MJ dies his legacy will rise even more. No hate on Lebron/Kobe but this is facts.
Yup. To be honest, Kobe's stock rose when he died. The majority of well-respected lists don't even put him in the top 5 or 10 before the fact. MJ will get cemented on number 1 when that happened - if he hasn't already been cemented anyway.
Billy Cunningham on Jordan: "I think he was the best ever. The whole package. He's scary sometimes with his defense. The passion he had amazes me. At a certain age, it's more difficult to get up for a game. A big game, sure, it's easy. But he did it for every game. How did he do it? To motivate himself at a level to perform. There's no burnout there. It's something within himself. If I had to play him, I'd pray a lot."
For me it’s always been about “the eye test”. If you spend an hour watching LeBron highlights and then spend an hour watching MJ highlights it’s clear MJ is the better and more talented player. If you were at a playground watching guys play and MJ and LeBron were among them, if someone asked you who the best on the court was, most people would likely say MJ. He could just do things no one else could. And once you consider all that, afterwards, when you look at the stats and accolades, it solidifies that MJ is the GOAT… for me, the UNDISPUTED GOAT.
@@jsjsjsjndcdhababs1720funny thing you mention about cpmpetition when you didnt consider evolution of their game... Youre blaming mj for being ahead for his time, you might want to blame curry too for exploiting his talent, he is not the super athletic type but his skill is so ahead for his era.. Its funny yall lebron fans want to compare him to the previous era coz he is cant win on his own era 😂😂😂 Do better try harder 😊
Best basketball content creator on TH-cam hands down. Another great entertaining, captivating, and informative video masterpiece. Thank you for your hard work and dedication Jimmy. Please keep it up. 🙏🙏🙏
This has to be one of your best videos to date. It was amazing seeing the results in such detail. On one list I laughed when I saw Wilt and Lebron voting for themselves. I also was very dissappointed to see Pippen switching his vote. The Last Dance really did him in.
@@darkmoonmwi9216 I totally agree. MJ has said that in so many interviews. I watched the Last Dance several times and I don't believe MJ said anything over the top about Pippen. MJ talking about Pippen taking himself out of the game was probably the harses thing he said, but it was the truth. I do think that Pippen got screwed when it came to money, but a lot of that was his doing. He wanted the sure thing instead of the big money. Even Jerry knew that he was being paid below league standards at that time.
@@darkmoonmwi9216 I don't think it's the last dance. I think Pippen is still pissed that the team did not redo his deal back in 1993. He felt the team took advantage of a poor boy who just wanted to provide for his family in Arkansas. I think he felt Jordan could of pressured Reinsdorf and Krause into changing Pippen's contract. I think Jordan refused to get involved and that is why Pippen hates Jordan. Also if you read the Jordan rules which was about the 1991 season Pippen was really tight with Horace Grant and both Grant and Jordan did not like each other.
Perfect closer. This is what I've been saying all rhis time. Players simply FEARED MJ, and because of that, they respected and appreciate him more compared to other players. And people who actually watch NBA games throughout MJ's era can actually see the fear and respect the whole NBA has for MJ
Kevin Garnett rookie experience is one of the prime example how players simply don't want to mess with MJ, and that they choose NOT to say a word even tho they're winning. Cause they feared MJ would just get serious and destroy them. His iconic moments with Mutombo was also prove that he would absolutely take on any challenge and trash talks thrown at him and demolish it
@@Sky-no.1 No they didnt? Where did Bird say that he was afraid? He said that MJ was god, but hes not afraid. Show me proof where those 3 said that. Magic maybe, but the rest? Even Stockton said he never feared him.
When Jordan came back from his retirement in 94-95, this was before social media, but everyone was talking about him as if it was the second coming of Christ. You would walk in the grocery store or metro station, and all you would hear is "Jordan is back!!!" He is the one and only true GOAT this game has ever seen. No one else comes close.
Can you go to MJ’s three point percentage, and you’ll see on year where he shot 50% on one three a game. Without that your goat is shooting well below 30% from three. Not to mention the expansion league and lower talent pool than there is today. Mj had the second or third best player in the league on his team. Let’s have lebron and Kawhi team up in the 90’s and they win all the rings the bulls do but even more.
@@aFinessing bro stfu lol you watch too many documentaries about Jordan. Saying the same shit media says your just a bot at this point . I actually watched him play
I was too young to witness the greatness from Jordan, but the fact that his game changed the entire sport of basketball speaks volumes. Undeniably the GOAT 🐐
I remember my grand father was watching jordan vs utah. And i was keep on changing the channel to cartoons being the spoiled me. After that he died. And i so regret not watching the games with him. Jordan is the best ever. My grandfather may he rest in peace.
Sam Jones (Bill Russell's teammate) on Jordan: "I don't know if he knows how good he is. He's tremendous. I've never seen anything like him. He's only 6-6. That's amazing. You seldom see a person that size do those things. He's so creative and to be able to take over a game at that size, it's amazing. Oscar and West were the best, but there's no other version of Jordan, the hang time, how high he jumps, how quick he moves. The guy amazes me. ... He's the best I've ever seen."
@@ManagerMatt1 Oscar has always been insanely jealous of Jordan and his money and fame. He believed everything Jordan had in the 80's and 90's, he should have had in the 60's. And perhaps that was so. But I won't trust anything Oscar has to say about MJ as there is an agenda behind it.
I had a neighbor when I was young that played for the Blazers back in the 70s and he said Kurt Rambis was the goat He actually taught me how to shoot and gave me a bunch of baseball cards Awesome guy
Bro I gotta give you your flowers for this. Nobody digs deep on the info to deliver it in a quality way like you do. You do your homework for each vid. Admirable. Keep it up man! From a South FLA guy living in Lima, Perú for now.
After watching countless debate videos, sports analysts debates, players debates and fans debates I realize that there's no such thing as GOAT because every great basketball legends and hall of famers have their own strength and weaknesses. If we should name the greatest of all-time it should be categorized, for example GOAT in Stats; GOAT in Skills, GOAT in Mentality, GOAT in Championship etc.. Etc.. I think that's the perfect way to do it 💪
I might have Bird as 2nd no cap. The only thing holding Bird back was.. his back. Prime for prime, peak for peak, he's as good as anybody's ever been if you do a deep dive into his career. Too bad he hurt his back early in his career and he sustained that injury throughout his entire prime career.
I appreciate all the work put in this video. But to me it all boils down to two things: 1- saying you're Goat takes away from your goatness. 2- longevity basically just means that you've been around for so long.
I totally agree with your 1st, but sort of disagree with #2. Longevity while still playing at a high level means a lot. Jordan is easily the best IMO, but longevity counts.
@@mattst.germain4023 bro let's say it as it is... So many great careers were ruined by injuries. They don't choose it. It is what it is. Lebron is one of those who where fortunate enough plus the Great genetics to let you stay in shape at a certain age.(Some say PED's.... Whatever) It ain't nothing miraculous about that
lol injuries are part of the game...the advance technology in sport science comparing it back in 90s is out of the equation..mj played 82 regular season games for 9 years ..mj is the ultimate winner in sports called basketball...so he dont need to play 20 years cause he achieved it all in 15 years...the longetivity of a player and still being efficient is very impressive and breaking records after records but in my opinion its just a consolation prize ..its like an award given to a individual to make them feel happier when they have failed to achieved something better
The effort, care and thoughtfulness you put into this video demonstrates your love for the art of the game of basketball and the respect for all of the players! I enjoyed it so very much. Congrats on this outstanding effort and video.
My top 10 is calculated by ...#1 Eye Test #2 Stats #3 Rules played by #4 Fundamentals #5 Made others better 10- Dirk Knowvitski 9- LeBron 8-Magic 7-Hakeem 6-Kobe 5-Steve Nash 4-David Robinson 3-Kareem 2-MJ #1 Bird by Faaar.
Great video. I think your assessment on why NBA players choose the way they do hit the nail on the head for where my headspace is at in this debate. Lebron will probably end up having the greatest individual career of all time but I think the debate really hasn't changed much since the 2016 cavs championship. We've seen the best of Lebron. We know what his strengths and weaknesses are as a player. He's not doing anything crazier in terms of output and skillset at this point. He's in the winding down stages of his career. It's an amazing going into the sunset run but he isn't changing as a player and doing something crazy like averaging 40/10/10. And this is where it's hard for me to really put anybody above MJ because it's hard for me to see anyone actually better than him. He really did do just about everything and did it at a high level while there are still obvious weaknesses to Lebron's game. Like I'm not saying he isn't amazing. Other players have been dominant with limited skillsets as well. Like Shaq and his free throw shooting or Bill Russel's offensive ability. That being said Jordan was dominant while being able to do everything. He was a super gifted athlete, with an insane complete set of skills, and high basketball IQ. The man just could just beat you 5 different ways and it was up to how good of a mood he was in on how much or little he would embarrass you. This included the other superstars of the eras he competed in. We haven't seen that before or since and I think that is where it's always going to be hard to find someone better than him for me. Lebron is an insane basketball player that has been dominant in his eras. He is a strange beautiful mixture of Kareem's longevity and Shaq's physical dominance with a little sprinkle of decent shooting and magic's passing in there to force defenses to keep honest with him. Jordan was still capable of being that but even more. Like I could dream up a Frankenstein's monster of player attributes to make a better player. Giannis' physical gifts, Allen Iverson's ball handling, Magic Johnson's passing, Lebron's slashing ability, Ben Wallace's rim defense, Durant's shot creating ability, Steph's pure shooting ability. That would be a better player than Jordan but no such creature really exists and the closest thing we have to that monstrosity was Jordan imo.
When you step on the court to do battle with an opponent you can really feel the aura of someone great. Only the players understand this, not the fans. From the many interviews I’ve listened to of NBA players that have played with or agains MJ, that’s the one thing they’ve mentioned. As if MJ had a greater fire than anyone else in the court. Thanks for making this vid Jimmy. I have a feeling this will be your most viewed vid of all time.
Larry Bird and Michael Jordan are the two best by far. Kobe 3rd. These three players are also the best one on one players of all time too. They're also the greatest scorers. WINNERS! Clutch! I must make a mention of Allen Iverson. He was the greatest pound for pound.
Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy!!! As always… a master piece of analysis… I have been watching and playing basketball since I was a little boy and I born in the veryyyy early 70’s and I still watching the game…. But what I can say with a 100% sure, without desrespect the wonderful players of all different eras is that no body give me the emotion and excitement that MJ gave us every night…. The fear that he produced in his oponents it was notable… As his famous trainer said in the “Last Dance” documentary: “If you expend 2-3 hours site at your home to watch him play… He had a responsibility with his fans and people to do his best… to do his best ALL THE TIME” or a quote something similar to that… but you can see how emotional his trainer was when he was saying that…. Just think about it… Just saying… God Bless You Jimmy!!!
Yeah, I don't ever recall watching MJ play and wondering if he was really trying. I don't even bother watching most regular season games anymore because the players are phoning it in and that is if they even show up.
@Bandup Zay Kobe Bryant is the only player to win three titles before the age of 23. Look it up. We know now Kobe could lead his own team to three consecutive finals. He lost to an amazing Celtics team probably would have spanked Jordan as well. We will never know the kind of player Kobe could have been had he spent three years in college and then allowed to lead his own team. I imagine he still would have about 5 rings. Kobe was so good and dominant that the NBA had to veto him getting Chris Paul because it wasn't fair to the other teams lmfao
@@aw98000 oh my bad lol, I said he wouldn't have been with Shaq the same way had he stayed in college like you said... It changes everything, no way in hell he wins 5 rings
@@gokuswanson2037 the Lakers don't win 3 in a row that's for sure. There's a very real chance the 1999 bulls draft Kobe Bryant first overall if all things remain the same. I guess we'll agree to disagree. I think it's more than possible that Kobe wins 5 if he plays three years of college and has a team built around him from the start. It all depends on which team and which coach but if it's the bulls then he gets mentored by Jordan and Phil Jackson comes back and the bulls probably win another 5 rings over the next 15 years.
I definitely liked to see how Kobe was ranked higher by players. A lot of fans put him so low on the Top 10, and so this is a great reminder that looking at just the numbers and accolades isn't a good way to define greatness.
Ignoring the stats, the pure eye test. I watch footage of Michael Jordan and my eyes light up. Jimmy saying people talking about him, like he's a mythical being, is true. I watch and talk about MJ, thinking of everything he's done, remembering clips of amazing shit he's pulled, it brings happiness to my face. Not only that, the pure passion he brought to the sport, inspired my own (Kobe too)
My brother is the most hardcore basketball fan and says the same thing: even just watching MJ proved he was the goat. He literally made it exciting to watch, almost like poetry in motion. He made it exciting to love basketball.
This how you know he is truly the goat.. When you think hockey you think Wayne Gretzky, when you think golf you think tiger woods, when you think baseball you think Babe Ruth, when you think football you think Tom Brady, when you think soccer you think Ronaldo, and when you think basketball you think MJ! End of story. Man is a legend and I don’t think no one will ever pass him!
I'm 55 years old and have witnessed Jordan's rise through Basketball from the beginning of his career right through to the end and all the surrounding (pre-internet) media buzz and hype he created which was unprecedented and even in today's far advanced media age, still unmatched. This is without a doubt the best piece i've watched on the GOAT debate and thank you for summing it up like it obviously had to be. Perhaps Jordan should be considered the God of Basketball, and everyone else can then be measured against each other as mere mortals.
I agree with you bro. Most of the new generation ball fans pick Lebron. These kids were not able to see how Jordan dominates the game. And hey i am not a Jordan fan and always cheer on every team Jordan faces in the finals. I am like 'any team but the bulls' kind of fan. And from a Jordan hater fan like me, i will still pick him as the Greatest of All Time.
@@theFILOProjectTV People will pick Jordan of course because he inspired them to start basketball and that's who they grew up watching. In 20 years, Lebron will be the clear favourite if you do the exact same thing because the people you ask will have grown up watching NBA with Lebron. It's much different playing against someone versus watching them. When you watch it, especially as a kid, they look like superheroes and when people look at things with nostalgia, like Jordan, they see only the good and exaggerate how good they were. People don't appreciate things until thy are gone, and some people will only start appreciating Jordan when he retires. The fact that Lebron has almost half the votes that Jordan has AND he still plays shows that by the time he leaves, it's not even going to be a debate of who the GOAT is.
@raymondvictoria16 same here lol. I was the same way, I wanted reignman and the glove to win, also the best assist & steals player and mailman to win too!
@@MrTVx99No he won’t. Bron just doesn’t carry the same aura that Jordan has had for decades. When he is no longer playing and his propaganda machine loses its impact by not having him being propped up by some of the media and the NBA as the face of the league he will drop from the attention of the sport’s fans.
Rewatching this again you could also say that since young players would often hear from their fathers and other older people how great MIchael was it would leave an imprint that no matter how good lebron or how long he will still play Michael is a Mythical being.
Any young dude can see MJ stats, and, more important how he played. MJ is from 80s and 90s, not from black and white TV, you can see very well how was his playing, and yeah...is mythical...but not as an unicorn...also, guys like me, who saw MJ back in the days, still watch today. Also, guys older than me, who watched on direct Kareem, than MJ, than Kobe, than LeBron...still watch today...we are not all crazy. The majority, in any age, choose MJ as the goat. which is very normal. You also have to take attention to the vid, where Jimmy states that the age where LeBron got more notes is the players who play with him on this era...still, doesnt make it for him to win. Which is normal. What wasnt normal at any standard, was MJ...he was simply a freak of nature.
Dude I accept LeBron greatness, as I accept Karem or others greatness. I just dont agree that LeBron will ever surpass...maybe someday comes a guy that surpass MJ, not in the ícon thing, thats is almost impossible, but a better player, who people can say is the goat. But that guy is not LeBron, cause for me LeBron will never be better than he once was, everything he does adds, but only for his longevity, which is amazing and unique.
It's been said many times, but I'll repeat it here for emphasis: "There is a reason when people talk about greatness in other areas of competition, the goats are always referred to as the Michael Jordan of "
For all the controversy on the debate, the staggering list of achievements MJ has will never be topped, not even by LeBron. LeBron is probably the 2nd best of all time, but the gap between him, as well as any player in history, and Jordan, is insurmountable.
@@WhydTheyChangeOurNames the better player wins his championship at greater chance, not jumping ships and plays offense & defense equally. Delete this garbage take.
@@carlpatrickragas2159 not only is someone’s chance to win a chip based on the team as a whole it’s also based on competition and tbh lebrons competition is better cause just like the average basketball player in the 1990s is better then the average basketball player in 1970s the same rule applies from 1990s to 2010
@@carlpatrickragas2159 I believe Brandon was comparing LeBron and MJ like most basketball fans compare Wilt and Russell. Wilt was the better player by far with his statistical dominance, but Russell was greater as the leader of NBA's first and arguably greatest dynasty of all time. MJ is the GOAT by combining some of Wilt's statistical dominance with Russell's championship leadership while LBJ has more statistical dominance, better all around play and leading three different franchises to four championships including arguably the greatest title win being his 3-1 comeback in the 2016 Finals against the 73-9 Warriors led the NBA's only unanimous League MVP Steph Curry and ending Cleveland's 52 year world championship drought.
LBJ 30 votes: -2 : Dr J and Robertson - Pissed that MJ took over their possible GOAT status -2 : Isaiah and Laimbeer - Pissed due to Chicago - Detroit rivalry -1 : Scottie - So sad :( -1 : LBJ : ::::::) So I actually count 24
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“untouchable, unattainable, immortal status. the man retired from the NBA decades ago yet it still remains, Michel Jordan. and THEN everyone else” jimmy never disappoints with the closers
So true always love the dramatic closers
Bro skipped to the end of the video 😭
Nah Bron is the goat idgaf what anybody says.
@@beestboy2001 autism has bot cure huh
@@beestboy2001 and anybody else doesn't care either hahaha
Jimmy: "It might not be what you expected"
It: *exactly what I expected*
I was worried there for a second
@@VAKZ23 Me too 😭
i thought it was gon be wilt
it's unexpected in terms of disparity, i thought it's neck and neck
Pretty much exactly what I expected. I thought it was gonna be 1. MJ 2. Lebron 3. Kareem 4. Kobe 5. Wilt
And I wasn't far off...
That part where players talk about jordan as if hes a higher being is really consistent. Every single "jordan story" telling is delivered with a certain level of awe/mazement in their eyes
Pre social media era, leads to a more mythical feeling, that’s why you won’t really see these kind of story telling about any current nba players. That doesn’t mean Jordan is the best player of all time 😂
@@almightyyeezydab5149 social media is irrelevant here. im talking about those players mentioned in the video. Their own stories about jordan. Your comment dont make sense hahahaha
Yea about how petty and how much of a poor sport he was F him
@@yourname427 say that again without crying this time..
@@omega_pain This whole video is being used as an argument to place Jordan over LeBron. I’m pointing how ridiculous this entire logic is.
I think it's also worth noting that the players who played against/with MJ and chose Lebron as their GOAT consisted of only 3 players: Bill Laimbeer, Isiah Thomas, and Scottie Pippen. All of these 3 have noted their personal grudges against Michael Jordan. Obviously, I love these players and they are all all-time greats, but that's pretty interesting that the only 3 players to have witnessed Jordan live and voted against him also have personal reasons to dislike him.
Karl malone and Gary payton said LeBron also and John salley and Dennis Rodman actually said pippen was the most talented player ever some people really just think that especially guys from the 80's or the generation before Jordan all say LeBron I notice that also
@@sylviaadkins6208Jerry West isn’t one of them and he is one of the all time best talent evaluators in the league’s history.
True some player insecure of mj 😂
No debate mj the goat 3peat over 3peat. Mj do that. How about lebron??? Lol leave team & recruit 😂😂 to win a chip
11:07 they also feared Bird, kiddo
“We have the answer, and it may not be what you expect.”
Literally, exactly, what I expected.
I think that line applied only to Bron’s fans lmao
@@mora2k the stupper fans lol. They swear “most stats” equals not winning and it surpasses folks
@@johnhathaway735 mmmmmmnmmmmmm my h
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Well he needed us to watch the video.
@@mora2k yeah no shit
You Sir have been on a crazy streak, don't remember seeing a bad or an okay average video from this channel, they're all just great and well constructed
this channel has become so good over the years it's insane. massively impressed
@Bandup Zay well tbh, I trust jimmy to the point where I believe his research is all valid. He showed like mini proof w the clips of him saying “Jordan, Jordan , LeBron, Jordan”, etc. so even if AI said Bron is better, he prob just switched his answer at some point🤷🏽♂️
What I miss the most and the old theme song and the dolphin sfx. I used to love hearing this track as it instilled that I was going to get a deep dive in whatever Jimmy was going to bring us. It's now nostalgic. But to me it's branded Jimmy.
exactly. it really is insane. mad respect to jimmy fr he’s puts in the work for us
@@garythesnail4246 the links aren’t to those videos it’s to some bad music that makes me wish I was even listening to lil pump instead don’t worry the research is solid from Jimmy
"Don't like it? That's too bad!"
Please never change, Jxmy.
@Bandup Zay nobody click this dudes link
@@c_span LMAOOO
wilt chamberlain voting for himself is hysterical LMFAOO
Wilt da real 🐐
@@kris9145hell no 😭
@@WcoopW yup 💯
Not the only self proclaimed goat 🥉🤴🏿💾
LeBum too
Mike was truly unbelievable. Its so hard to fathom how somebody can be so amazing at the game and then have the perfect career on top of it. Pure excellence.
MJ overrated ong
Yea because Tim Grover had him take steroids ! Look at his body in 89 and look at it in 91! He was juicing for sure
I think he’s the GOAT but he didn’t have a “perfect” career. Just because he’s 6-0 in the finals doesn’t mean he had a perfect career
@@yourname427 steroids don’t help you be better at basketball lmao. It just helps your muscle recover faster so u can keep working out and makes ur muscles bigger
@@yourname427 give me one modern basketball superstar that doesn't take some kind of steroids.
been watching you since 2018, gotta say, since then, the quality of your videos are insane now. and the closers you give, have such a great impact for the message you're telling. the amount of hardwork you put into the research and scripting is something ill never be able to imagine. beautiful video Jimmy
Fax
true jimmy really don't miss bruh, gotta appreciate
Great vid! Appreciate the work on this one.
Tbh i love jxmys work but in this case i have some argues. Most important, 112 players is not concider a capable sample when we refer to tens of thaousands of players throughout the nba history. Second, sample should be taken equally from players of all decades wich is imposible to do now since players who played in the first decades are no longer alive or to old to even bother to concider participating in this serioucly. Third, an average player's opinion is not having the same importance as the one of a hof. HOF players usually play the game longer. In order to do that they must win more wich means they must be better of others. Being that allou them to understand and critisize others. Also this whould only means something if we somehow have a way to be sure that opinions are authentic and players not gonna change their mind ever, wich as you see from some players is way far from the trouth. So even if i find this channel the best in yt i have doubts about this one.
I thought you were cap I’m not gonna lie. Dick suckers and cap artists sadly go hand in hand. You were not though 🤯 the vids in 2018 were definitely quality but these mfs are insane
Been watching Jxmy for a while now and it’s amazing to see the growth within the channel. Carrying on the torch of the likes of Mike Korzemba and telling amazing what ifs and sharing the history of basketball to us younger audiences!
He took the torch from Mike Korzemba years ago bro. I don’t even click on his videos no more…….most of the things he talk about always sound like prior knowledge and boring
GodZemba!
@@RicoSoprano_ I copy that, but I wouldn't rate Mike down.
To be honest, Jimmy's videos are simply very very good and there is reason why people are calling him the g.o.a.t. of NBA videos on youtube. So being worse than the goat is not something anybody should be criticized for.
@@melfox215 no I’m not saying that but something happened with the quality of Mikes videos are maybe he became stagnant and his formula don’t work anymore. I know one thing I don’t want to watch is some fake azz conspiracy videos. He really just needs to stop doing those
The effort that went into this video is the most remarkable thing I have seen in an incredibly long time. This is why you’re the best.
You hit the nail on the head in the last two minutes of the video. Every interview I’ve seen about MJ you can see the emotion in the players faces when talking about him that you don’t see when talking about anyone else. Michael Jordan put the fear of god into his opponents.
Iverson saw his effin' aura for god's sake!
Agreed, but Scottie...
Watered down era
@@bits8031 you're running around talking shit about MJ because Jxmy said (and 60%+ of NBA players) think he's the GOAT LMAOOO get off Bron's schlong my guy
@@bits8031 ydkb
Just when you think Jimmy could not top it, he comes out and does exactly that. Fantastic Stuff Jimmy!
Beeni.
This conversation is so played out. Yes what a revelation
Jimmy: the answer may not be what you think
The players: answered exactly how we all thought
LMAO when he said that I deadass thought Lebron was gonna come out on top
I even thought Kareem will be on top.
😆
Damn did I just spoiled click baited
I don’t care what jxmy says Andrew bogut is the real goat change my mind!😒
Jordan was wholly obsessed with winning like no other player in NBA history. Thats what made him practice more, push his teammates more, and drove his killer instinct to be the best. Not to mention his natural ability was head and shoulders above everyone else. I watched him on TV growing up every chance I got. Saw the commercials. Watched people overseas mob him like a rock star. The NBA grew into an international business because of Jordan. People my age 45-50 know what im talking about. The things the man did on the court were unreal and the NBA blew up because of it. No one has had an impact the way MJ did.
I actually think that Kobe matched Jordan's obsession with winning. But Jordan's physical talent was greater than Kobe's.
amen
Jordan was the only one obsessed? You think he was the only one that practice more? Killer instinct? What does that actually mean? He was th only one to have killer instinct? . Here's the problem. The hype, if a person says MJ the goat all the time, people will believe it. Watched people overseas mob him? They mobbed NBA players.How did he make the NBA an international sport? There's no NBA over here. I'm 57 and what you were saying isn't necessarily accurate, Things on the NBA were unreal, ok. but at the age of 45-50 have you seen Juius Erving play? I don't know about the NBA blew up because of him. What about Magic, Bird, Doc that were before him. David Stern also did a great job of marketing the league.
Bill Russell won more because he had the will to take out the real GOAT
@grosskopf2779
"Jordan was the only one obsessed? You think he was the only one that practice more?"
He is the only one where literally DOZENS of teammates tell stories that their practices were harder than the games, because of him, yes. :) That he only slept a few hours a night, that he was (even with 40) the guy with the most hours in the gym.
"Killer instinct? What does that actually mean?"
What do you think? :) It means what it means. He was relentless, he LIVED to destroy others during games.
Not so "groß", your "kopf", hm? ;)
Not only is the research incredible on these episodes, but your writing, delivery, editing style, and music selection are on point. You've really become a great cinematographer in addition to being a very cool basketball head. Keep up the great work Jimmy!
The end of this video (11:04) gave me chills... "but they feared MJ..."❄❄ Well done Jxmy!
Cuz they didn’t want their souls snatched
Revered
@@arsalaleem7747 feared & revered 💯nobody want the smoke from his Airness, black jesus 🚬
I’m old enough to remember when Wilt would get talked about a lot more in these discussions. It would be curious to see what happens in a decade or two when people in their 40s and 50s never saw MJ play or don’t have any idea what the aura was that surrounded him while he was playing. LeBron is one of one but imagine the 2015-16 Warriors. Now imagine that level of fear in one player. That was Jordan.
if anyone still denies MJ's status after his ultimate mixtape, his accomplishments, and records (reg season, post season, and career)...they can never be convinced...probably insist that 2+2=5 as well LOL...MJ was scoring on bigs of the 80's/90's like it was nothing...he'd do everything in his mixtape to today's current players...even Lebron...and probably be in their head and have them out of their game even before tip off with trash talk...
Difference is there really isn’t any videos about wilt
@@V12BenzAMG so all the mj highlights u seen come from the mixtapes ?
Was around for MJ/kobe/bron and if you enjoy MJ/kobe style than Lebron is nowhere on your top list. Wilt "dominated" just like bron does but if you fell in love with basketball cause of finesse and difficulty of shots under pressure its always going to be MJ > Kobe > the rest.
@@Morespizzle so true
epic, true, and well put together. thank you
jxmy, whenever i finish watching any of your videos, i am in amazement. you bring so much more information to me which i had never known and you always do extensive research which makes your videos even greater. i am in awe about how you deliver these videos so well, and as a casual nba fan, i wasnt sure there was many new things to be discovered. although you just make me learn something new every time. thank you
Jxmy is the NBA vids goat. You can quote me on that 🐐
lets just appriciate how much time this man took to find and edit all of this stuff. Just to keep us entertained.
You realized this is his job
And make money
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not that hard. especially when his fans will gargle his sack when they see those ✨graphics✨ or even hear him speak
I am sad that I have only one like button to give
Scottie saying LeBron's better: "And i took that personally"
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Scottie went from saying "There's not a single situation where I'd pick LeBron over Michael." In the beginning of 2020 to "LeBron is the GOAT" just a couple weeks after a certain documentary aired. I wonder why that is.
I also remember him saying he himself is the GOAT not that long ago.
pippen played with mj he should know better... as much as i love lebron, mj was in league of his own
@@NostalgicMem0ries ikr ? how can 2 three-peats, 1 dpoy, 10 times annual points leader, 6 fmvp, 5 mvp and 6 rings not be better ? I mean the only reason he dont have 6 mvp its because that will make him the devil while he is god 🤣
I gotta agree MJ is the goat. And Kobe was great_ but . .
1. MJ
2. Bron
3. Kareem
4. Magic/Bird
5a.Wilt
5b Mamba
great top 5
"The result may not be what you think"
It was exactly the result that I was thinking 🤣
😂✊🏼💯
And Lobestans still try to use the
"B-B Bu B-But players say kobe is better than Bron 🤥🤥🤥" argument.
This is truly a nightmare video for Lobestans
@Bandup Zay Wack
It was a 69
He's probably referring to the Nick Wrights of the world.
I like the part where he said "Jordan". Jxmy is truly a master of his craft.
On another note, MJ's imprint on the sport is too huge.
Greatest athlete of all time
@@dec6p year right. a big goof playing Basketball. he cant do shit but play BB. can he win a scate contest? can he win gold in gymnastic. no because he is a big goof playing basketball,
he could be good in other sports like volleyball.
What a beautiful ending to your video. You really evoke emotion with your words, tone, and how you phrase things. Helps your videos stand out even more from the rest of the internet.
MJ intimidation is something else, check the reaction show sum love th-cam.com/video/gOtp4VcLDZY/w-d-xo.html
Being the GOAT...is a combination of Metal toughness, Passion for the game, Leadership & believe in your teammates. With that said MJ- Bulls, Garnett- Timberwolves, A.I-76ers, Kobe-Lakers, all showed these traits in their Careers as much as LeBron doubted himself when with the Cavs..left for Miami then LA...I Truly believe MJ earned his stripes the right way & he stopped playing the game when he felt he had nothing else to prove..much respect to all these NBA greats..twende kazi..🇰🇪
The amount of work that went into 06:12 is why JImmy is so loved and respected. Thank you brother for your efforts, you are a one of a kind creator
I understand the votes for Kobe.
His various serious injuries were painful to watch, with his tremendous will to compete. he achieved a lot in spite of it. And worked on his defense until he was scary.
Heart and willpower that was second to none.
Kobe was Jordan for a lot of millennials.
Its kinda sad that his last 3-4 seasons in the nba made people forget just how dominant and goated he was at his prime.
Mj- Superman ( Air Jordan)
Kobe- Batman( Willpower, Tools/Moves for days)
Both Gods
@T S No it wasn't MJ has the best mentality and work ethic that's why he is the GOAT
@@itsblaze9095 even Phil Jackson said Kobe is the hardest worker the nba ever had.
And as I completely expected Jordan as number one and Kobe being ranked a lot higher in the eyes of his peers than the average Joe. Game recognize game, and if Kobe is seen as the closest thing ever to the GOAT (Jordan) , then of course it stands to reason than he should be ranked higher.
I Agree
You get that too when it's fans who've played any form of competitive ball vs those who are just fans or what have you.
Every person I talk to that I played with whether it be as a teen or playing for my post team in the military, has Kobe as #2 behind Jordan.
They all appreciate the hell out of the blend of different players that makes up lebron but can see that Kobe was a complete different monster while Jordan was even levels higher than Kobe.
Phil Jackson once alluded to something similar. Kobe had that "it" factor like Jordan had, only Jordan had "it" times 10!
Kobe was too inefficient, low basketball iq
roflmao
Bro he’s already high enough I have him at 7th jxmy has him 5th and this video ranked it 3rd THIRD bro how high u think Kobe over Lebron? If u do plz click off
Jordan was also never afraid of failure. He tried everything, took the last shot, and never backed down even in the toughest moments. Heck he even joined the three point contest. As great as Lebron is, i always felt he was scared to fail or get embarrassed if he missed the game-winning shot or didn't win in a contest like a dunk contest or somethin.
Bron jus knows he’s gon get focused and he ain’t egotistical enough to try to make shots he knows he won’t hit 💀
Lebron has way more skill than any NBA player ever, but he doesn't have the win it all right now mentality that Bird, Kobe and MJ had. I've seen Lebron miss wide open lay ups with 5 seconds left. Larry shot the ball from behind the backboard, MJ would dunk in your face, Kobe would score the last 8 points of the game. Even Magic, Hakeem, Duncan, Isiah, Curry and Shaq were/are better winners.
@@JustLikeHeaven77He has no go to move other than the bum rush to the rack aka Karl Malone. No real post game to speak of. Nothing special as far his ball handling other than the elbows he uses to clear space. Never improved his free throws. He gets lazy and settles for 3 pointers too often. He hasn’t been committed to playing defense but for 1/4 of his career. He is a liability nowadays.
Never a failure🤡🤡 dudes just be saying anything out of the blue just to get it off their chest lol
We saw lebron giving the last shot to his teammates....but michael is too comfortable to shoot at any moment preseason or game 7 finale
Mike moved like water through a stream. His dominance was complete and effortless. Once he put put his mark on the league it was Jordan and then everyone else. And it's still Jordan and then everyone else.
Michael Jordan played in a weak expansive league with no one like him. Lebron would’ve been 8-0 in the finals, because he wouldn’t have had to take time off because he was gambling.
Not to mention Jordan is actually so bad at shooting threes it’s Honestly funny. He had one year where he shot 50% on 1 three a game that saved him from being well under 30% from three
If you gave lebron the same team, same era, same everything. He’s not going to small enough for the bad boy pistions to beat on him. People are just stuck on the nostalgia of Jordan. They don’t want to drop the curtain and look at the facts.
Lebron also played wayyyyyyy more hall of famers and super teams
@@kaydenspencer7879 just NO !leflop play WITH more hof and super teams. the eye test is enough, MJ is on another level.
I am sick and tired of the GOAT debate, but, my man, this video was too good. If I EVER have to debate with someone about this, I'll just send this video. Great stuff, Jimmy!! As always, your uploads are pure quality! Thank you!
I think King James and GOATJ are on the same level, but MJ is a few notches higher.
But the GOAT debate isn’t gonna stop
@@legendarywiimaster they're on the same level but the legacy that MJ left is unmatch
@@glace9069 the legacy of MJ is ridiculous honestly
As a football fan I am glad our's was put to bed 3 weeks ago
@@legendarywiimaster I don't watch basketball I didn't know who Michael Jordan was since no one knows who he is here, but some people still know lebron
Kobe ranked himself as #1 against MJ & LeBron on the James Corden show BUT he was under pressure & was gonna have to eat disgusting food if he didn't answer lol
Technically he didn’t say he was the GOAT.
i mean i would be confident myself and rank my own to be better than others if i did everything needed to be on the conversation
Kobe on drew league said that with no pressure tho, confidence
@@rougeclips9438 Technically true, but he said he was better than Jordan and LeBron, so I doubt he didn't think he was the GOAT
I think he just said that as a joke because he knew what the audience wanted him to say lol
I’d like to preface this by saying that I played basketball in NYC in an all black high school and got my nick name from the brothers playing at The Cage and at Rucker Park. We were all trying to emulate what Larry bird was doing on the playground and it was impossible for us. However, I remember hearing what Pat Riley said, “If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game, I’d choose Michael Jordan, but if I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life, I’d take Larry Bird."
the amount of research this guy go through for our enterntainment is impressive
This video was BACK TO TOP QUALITY. Amazing video, the best of yours in a while, some of your others were just thrown together random facts. But this is what you're best at - putting together a single story around a single narrative.
Some needs to put a beat over Jimmy saying the results 💀 😭
on it
@@NoahNewhardMusic tell me when u done
yeah
@@NoahNewhardMusic you done bro?
@@johndoe37893 it’s not that easy lmao
This is very good content, much better than some Netflix documentary 👍👍👍. JXM is the GOAT in basketball youtube channels.
The final minute or so speaking on what makes MJ the Goat was just too clean. Another video well done Jxmy 👑
"Is Jordan and...everyone else" what a form to close the video🐐
How tf 12 mins of video gone by so fast? Awesome work again!
love the videos dawkins
I think we are in the middle of watching some of the greatest talent that has ever graced the NBA and it's amazing to be able to experience it. But nothing gives me chills like watching Jordan play and being reminded I got to grow up watching him in his prime. Jordan is the GOAT. Always will be.
Not saying he isn't the goat. But like you mention yourself...you grew up watching him. No matter how good a player is today he will probably never give you the same feeling as the player you grew up with, mixed with nostalgia. Just like a lot of adults still love the artists they grew up with (old heads). A lot of natural bias in these discussions
@@simonhersberger682 grew up on Nas but Rakim is the gold standard so I don't believe that logic so I grew up on Nas but I know Rakim or KrsOne are those dudes
🧢 Lebrons legacy is just better his longevity, 10 finals appearances in a tougher era the way he carries himself, his seed look at his kids they both will surly make the nba Jordan’s sons we’re a bust and that’s the problems with these old heads y’all say no one will ever surpass jordan stop it y’all can’t predict the future. Lebron just has done more and is simply better and they older he gets the more I realize he better than MJ
@@yungmayo4037 accomplished less in more years. L
@@yungmayo4037 Bro, you really calling MJ's kids busts because they didn't make the league? How can you predict that both Lebron kids make the league? Practice what you preach. Rarely hear people say no one will ever surpass Jordan. Its just that Lebron will never surpass Jordan even he drags on for another 10 years. 10 finals appearances but with six losses including a garbage bubble chip against a 6th seed Miami with 2 top players injured. Goat can't even break even.
Great video. I wish you mentioned that some of the one's who voted Lebron had a personal problem with Jordan. Like Lambeer and Isiah.
And a lot of the people who voted Jordan idolised him as a child. I don't think NBA players are great people to ask who the GOAT is because they have a more emotional investment in their answer and are more likely to be biased
@@jwil0508-4 They are exactly who you want to ask. How would a fan know more than them? We are watching this stuff on TV, they're in it. With that said, context needs to be considered. If the player has a beef with Jordan it would obviously factor into their opinion.
Hey Jimmy, is there a way for you to calculate how INFLUENTIAL a player was? Meaning, how was the game changed after that player arrived? To me it is obvious how much the game and players have changed via Jordan and now Curry. But I would be curious to see how Dr. J and Kareem affected play after their tenure. And/or if there are other very influential players.
If their was it would be mj by miles
@@rupinderbrar4255 i feel like curry would be close
Most influential list IMO:
1. MJ (changed a bunch of things)
2. Dr. J (Put game "above the rim")
3. Iverson (Put hip-hop style in the game)
4. LeBron (player movement & pass-ball-to-the-open-man during crunch time)
5. Curry (obvious here)
6. Kenny Sailors (first man to shoot jump shot, ever)
7. Harden (step-back)
8. Wilt (widened free throw lane and put goaltending in the game)
9. Hakeem (footwork)
10. Kobe (work-ethic and taking triple-team shots)
@@MrVSaxAndCrew curry has to be higher imo. he literally revolutionized the entire game. if you look at games from before his takeover, everything is different. even the spacing on the court is completely different
Doctor J is what every boomer say’s
6:20 No way you didn't get tongue tied saying Jordan all them damn times.
Kobe’s respect and admiration has always been much higher from his contemporaries and other hoopers than from the fans and the sports media that choose the award winners. Contemporary Testimonials will always be above the opinions of fans and media pundits, most of whom never actually played the sport. Fear and intimidation dont show up in the stat sheet. Kobe was 2nd to only Mike in that department
No cap
Yeah, rip black mamba
Facts he's my 🐐
Kobe beating Ray Allen + Paul Pierce + KG + Rondo (at his best) is always bigger than LBJ's competition. It is notable that Kobe welcomes adversity. I put him next to MJ, even if Wilt and Kareem is in the room.
Lol, depends on when in Kobes career you talking about, I can remember Kobe being the 3rd best player on the Lakers behind Shaq and Eddie Jones, Jordan was the best player on his team from day one, same with LeBron.
Before watching:
#1: MJ
#2: LeBron
#3: Kobe
#4: Kareem
#5: Wilt
Excellent!! When he said "I don't think it's what you expect" I think he meant just how overwhelming MJ won over LBJ. Frankly, I'm not surprised. MJ is the G.O.A.T., and it's not even close. Kudos for a job well done.
I think most casuals would be surprised at how overhelming LBJ won against Kobe. If you judge players by Twitter and TH-cam comments, you would think Lebron is not even top 5 of all time. Most casuals on twitter always said Kobe is better than Lebron lmao.
@@ggh_-ts6pn I myself will place Kobe over LeBron too . Lebron is too pretentious , unnecessarily showing too much aggression even while simple dunks, always seeking limelight and he is too arrogant to be a goat for me. Idc what stats he is having I will rather watch Kobe play whole life rather than LeBron. I always seek humbleness yet complete passion for the game which MJ , Kobe , Dr. J , WIlt have displayed so well.
@@arshitmangi4783 you are casual. Lebron is much better player than kobe. Kobe is not even top 5 of all time while LBJ is 1b to MJ 1a.
@@ggh_-ts6pn "while LBJ is 1b to MJ 1a"
Damn, still holding onto that despite all the overwhelming evidence against it.....LeBron is a clear #2 and MJ is a clear #1. There is no 1a and 1b.
@@inefekt Overwhelming evidence? Statistics tells the opposite. Top scorer of all time while being top 5 in assists and top 5 in blocks, most wins in playoff series, most points in playoff series, most points in 4th quarters and most points in clutch time in playoff series of all time. He is 1b because depending on the metrics you used he can be the GOAT.
The part where you say that "almost every player that talk about Jordan have their eyes lighting up" is so true. Thank you for this great video !
I remember watching MJ when he first came back from baseball. Before that, I thought that he was literally unbeatable. When he got eliminated in 95' I thought maybe he's just not MJ anymore... maybe things are different now and he's just like other great players who maybe got unlucky or beaten sometimes. It was a weird feeling because MJ losing a big game wasn't even on the table before that. Then he came back the next year and he led the greatest team of all time to a championship. When he was back, I felt like he was the same guy who had won the first 3 championships. He was absolutely untouchable. That feeling stayed with me until he took his final shot with the Bulls over Byron Russel to clinch game 6 of the NBA Finals. MJ at his best wouldn't/couldn't lose. Lebron is 95' MJ(45), he's capable of some great play, and winning a championship but he can be beaten by another great player or maybe lose a big series. The greatest players sometimes lose or get outplayed. When Jordan was at his best, he never let me think of him in any other way, he was unbeatable. That's why he's the GOAT.
you know he only played in like 18 games in the 94-95 season right?
Yet, Bird and the Celtics swept Jordan and the bulls in the playoffs TWICE. No wonder when Bird retired Jordan sent him a video saying he was glad he was retiring because he ruined a lot of his games!
Once Bird retired, Jordan began to dominate. But these 2000 and later players and fans aren't up to snuff to truly judge who was the greatest all around player of all time - Larry Joe Bird, the "Legend".
@@libertypastor1307 Larry bird is not the greatest all rounder of all time, grandpa.
@@mr.orangegaming1570 In my opinion he was. You're welcome to your own opinion.
@@libertypastor1307 opinion? Nahh opinions are fine but what your suggesting is completely ridiculous. But it's a free country after all. I can't and won't control what you say
Jxmy loves LeBron. You wouldn’t know it from this video. His unbias approach is what makes him stand above the rest especially mainstream sports media. My favorite sports youtube channel by the circumference of the Earth
MJ's impact to the game is unparalleled!
Leadership, competitiveness, how he brought fear to opponents and teamates... That is why he is the GOAT!
Impact on the current player but not on the game. Mj did not change the game but someone like curry literally changed the game. in 10 years of time, if you ask any active nba players they would overwhiliming say it is James becuse that is whom they watched,
@@elchacal535 Michael impacted his team MORE than LeBron James. *Championships don't lie.*
@@rahiemthomas5617 James took three different franchies, three different coaches , three different teams to the finals and won it. Name one chip MJ won without the great phil Jackson or even scottie pippin. In fact, Jordarn coun't even take his team to a confrence finals on his own. It is what it is ..
@@elchacal535change in a circus shot 3s haha
@@elchacal535 Bro Micheal has 6 finals mvps and 6 rings 💀 , Lebum could never
No matter what… ain’t no way MJ legacy gonna be forgotten. Decades will go by and MJ will still be sung about.
When MJ dies his legacy will rise even more.
No hate on Lebron/Kobe but this is facts.
Yup. To be honest, Kobe's stock rose when he died. The majority of well-respected lists don't even put him in the top 5 or 10 before the fact. MJ will get cemented on number 1 when that happened - if he hasn't already been cemented anyway.
Billy Cunningham on Jordan:
"I think he was the best ever. The whole package. He's scary sometimes with his defense. The passion he had amazes me. At a certain age, it's more difficult to get up for a game. A big game, sure, it's easy. But he did it for every game. How did he do it? To motivate himself at a level to perform. There's no burnout there. It's something within himself. If I had to play him, I'd pray a lot."
For me it’s always been about “the eye test”. If you spend an hour watching LeBron highlights and then spend an hour watching MJ highlights it’s clear MJ is the better and more talented player.
If you were at a playground watching guys play and MJ and LeBron were among them, if someone asked you who the best on the court was, most people would likely say MJ. He could just do things no one else could.
And once you consider all that, afterwards, when you look at the stats and accolades, it solidifies that MJ is the GOAT… for me, the UNDISPUTED GOAT.
People are never talking about the most crucial part... Competition
@@jsjsjsjndcdhababs1720funny thing you mention about cpmpetition when you didnt consider evolution of their game...
Youre blaming mj for being ahead for his time, you might want to blame curry too for exploiting his talent, he is not the super athletic type but his skill is so ahead for his era..
Its funny yall lebron fans want to compare him to the previous era coz he is cant win on his own era 😂😂😂
Do better try harder 😊
Best basketball content creator on TH-cam hands down. Another great entertaining, captivating, and informative video masterpiece. Thank you for your hard work and dedication Jimmy. Please keep it up. 🙏🙏🙏
This has to be one of your best videos to date. It was amazing seeing the results in such detail. On one list I laughed when I saw Wilt and Lebron voting for themselves. I also was very dissappointed to see Pippen switching his vote. The Last Dance really did him in.
Same 😔
@jumbo and yet Jordan never won without him
@@arthurpeters1996 jordan appreciates pippen more then anyone ,i have no clue why pippen hates him so much(probably cause of last dance XD)
@@darkmoonmwi9216 I totally agree. MJ has said that in so many interviews. I watched the Last Dance several times and I don't believe MJ said anything over the top about Pippen. MJ talking about Pippen taking himself out of the game was probably the harses thing he said, but it was the truth. I do think that Pippen got screwed when it came to money, but a lot of that was his doing. He wanted the sure thing instead of the big money. Even Jerry knew that he was being paid below league standards at that time.
@@darkmoonmwi9216 I don't think it's the last dance. I think Pippen is still pissed that the team did not redo his deal back in 1993. He felt the team took advantage of a poor boy who just wanted to provide for his family in Arkansas. I think he felt Jordan could of pressured Reinsdorf and Krause into changing Pippen's contract. I think Jordan refused to get involved and that is why Pippen hates Jordan. Also if you read the Jordan rules which was about the 1991 season Pippen was really tight with Horace Grant and both Grant and Jordan did not like each other.
Bill Russell on Jordan
"I cannot imagine anyone playing any better."
Bill also said that himself was the greatest ever, and also Wilt was the greatest ever. Never could pick.
Russell also told him he couldn't have won those championships in his time
Fun take here. Loved the possessive poll at 7:23
Dude, you have by far the best basketball channel on TH-cam. Thanks for all the hard work over the years making these videos for us to enjoy.
Perfect closer. This is what I've been saying all rhis time. Players simply FEARED MJ, and because of that, they respected and appreciate him more compared to other players. And people who actually watch NBA games throughout MJ's era can actually see the fear and respect the whole NBA has for MJ
Kevin Garnett rookie experience is one of the prime example how players simply don't want to mess with MJ, and that they choose NOT to say a word even tho they're winning. Cause they feared MJ would just get serious and destroy them. His iconic moments with Mutombo was also prove that he would absolutely take on any challenge and trash talks thrown at him and demolish it
That's mentality of a winner! no one cant stop him.
I doubt that Bird, Magic or Isaiah feared Jordan.
@@thorntonwilliams3851 they did, bird magic and Isaiah all said they were afraid of him
@@Sky-no.1 No they didnt? Where did Bird say that he was afraid? He said that MJ was god, but hes not afraid. Show me proof where those 3 said that. Magic maybe, but the rest? Even Stockton said he never feared him.
When Jordan came back from his retirement in 94-95, this was before social media, but everyone was talking about him as if it was the second coming of Christ. You would walk in the grocery store or metro station, and all you would hear is "Jordan is back!!!" He is the one and only true GOAT this game has ever seen. No one else comes close.
Social media is also the reason he’s never been torn down. He’s actually lucky social media wasn’t around.
@@RicoSoprano_ incorrect , jordan would take it as motivation
Can you go to MJ’s three point percentage, and you’ll see on year where he shot 50% on one three a game. Without that your goat is shooting well below 30% from three. Not to mention the expansion league and lower talent pool than there is today. Mj had the second or third best player in the league on his team. Let’s have lebron and Kawhi team up in the 90’s and they win all the rings the bulls do but even more.
@@aFinessing bro stfu lol you watch too many documentaries about Jordan. Saying the same shit media says your just a bot at this point . I actually watched him play
@@kaydenspencer7879 notice every time LeBron has won a championship he’s had an all star in his team and notice how you didn’t watch jimmys video
6:20-7:00 you deserve a thumbs-up just for assembling this montage!
The real goat is the friends we made along the way.
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I was too young to witness the greatness from Jordan, but the fact that his game changed the entire sport of basketball speaks volumes. Undeniably the GOAT 🐐
Watch some of MJ's most famous games, they still hold up!
It’s full games on TH-cam, you can watch if you want to tbh.
I remember my grand father was watching jordan vs utah. And i was keep on changing the channel to cartoons being the spoiled me. After that he died. And i so regret not watching the games with him. Jordan is the best ever. My grandfather may he rest in peace.
I was like 7 yrs old that time.
no one compared to mj.
Sam Jones (Bill Russell's teammate) on Jordan: "I don't know if he knows how good he is. He's tremendous. I've never seen anything like him. He's only 6-6. That's amazing. You seldom see a person that size do those things. He's so creative and to be able to take over a game at that size, it's amazing. Oscar and West were the best, but there's no other version of Jordan, the hang time, how high he jumps, how quick he moves. The guy amazes me. ... He's the best I've ever seen."
Oscar said what about Lebron? "Lebron isn't as good as Jordan? Lebron is in a league all by himself"
@@ManagerMatt1 Oscar has always been insanely jealous of Jordan and his money and fame. He believed everything Jordan had in the 80's and 90's, he should have had in the 60's. And perhaps that was so. But I won't trust anything Oscar has to say about MJ as there is an agenda behind it.
I had a neighbor when I was young that played for the Blazers back in the 70s and he said Kurt Rambis was the goat
He actually taught me how to shoot and gave me a bunch of baseball cards
Awesome guy
My neighbor told me it was Fred Roberts.
Bro I gotta give you your flowers for this. Nobody digs deep on the info to deliver it in a quality way like you do. You do your homework for each vid. Admirable. Keep it up man! From a South FLA guy living in Lima, Perú for now.
Prediction:
1) MJ
2) Bron
3) Kobe
4) Kareem
5) Wilt
No cap 🔥🔥🍻
cap
Mines was
MJ
Kareem
Wilt
Kobe/Magic
Bron
Where’s Bird?
@@lazyhusband Yes, Thank you.
Hey Jimmy, I watched a lot of these debates, and even your other video on this, and this was most persuasive. Thanks for the hard work brotha!
After watching countless debate videos, sports analysts debates, players debates and fans debates I realize that there's no such thing as GOAT because every great basketball legends and hall of famers have their own strength and weaknesses. If we should name the greatest of all-time it should be categorized, for example GOAT in Stats; GOAT in Skills, GOAT in Mentality, GOAT in Championship etc.. Etc.. I think that's the perfect way to do it 💪
Michael Jordan is no doubt the undisputed GOAT. BUT...
As Larry Bird once asked, "Who's getting second?"
I might have Bird as 2nd no cap. The only thing holding Bird back was.. his back. Prime for prime, peak for peak, he's as good as anybody's ever been if you do a deep dive into his career. Too bad he hurt his back early in his career and he sustained that injury throughout his entire prime career.
bird
I got goosebumps listening to the final monologue. Awesome video. 👍👍
He really typed 112 NBA players names and then said it with a image of their face 💀
It proves how nice the editing is hats off
I appreciate all the work put in this video. But to me it all boils down to two things:
1- saying you're Goat takes away from your goatness.
2- longevity basically just means that you've been around for so long.
Longevity doesnt just being around for so long, it means playing at an elite level for so many years
I totally agree with your 1st, but sort of disagree with #2. Longevity while still playing at a high level means a lot. Jordan is easily the best IMO, but longevity counts.
@@mattst.germain4023 bro let's say it as it is... So many great careers were ruined by injuries. They don't choose it. It is what it is. Lebron is one of those who where fortunate enough plus the Great genetics to let you stay in shape at a certain age.(Some say PED's.... Whatever) It ain't nothing miraculous about that
lol injuries are part of the game...the advance technology in sport science comparing it back in 90s is out of the equation..mj played 82 regular season games for 9 years ..mj is the ultimate winner in sports called basketball...so he dont need to play 20 years cause he achieved it all in 15 years...the longetivity of a player and still being efficient is very impressive and breaking records after records but in my opinion its just a consolation prize ..its like an award given to a individual to make them feel happier when they have failed to achieved something better
That last stat was clutch. Jimmy doing Jordan things.
Man I’m gonna watch this video 10x and watch every ad. The time, effort and research in this video is impeccable. Jimmy is the GOAT of NBA TH-camrs!
You would you watch a 2 min ad and not skip?
The effort, care and thoughtfulness you put into this video demonstrates your love for the art of the game of basketball and the respect for all of the players! I enjoyed it so very much. Congrats on this outstanding effort and video.
Thank you, I appreciate it
My top 10 is calculated by ...#1 Eye Test #2 Stats #3 Rules played by #4 Fundamentals #5 Made others better
10- Dirk Knowvitski
9- LeBron
8-Magic
7-Hakeem
6-Kobe
5-Steve Nash
4-David Robinson
3-Kareem
2-MJ
#1 Bird by Faaar.
Great video. I think your assessment on why NBA players choose the way they do hit the nail on the head for where my headspace is at in this debate.
Lebron will probably end up having the greatest individual career of all time but I think the debate really hasn't changed much since the 2016 cavs championship. We've seen the best of Lebron. We know what his strengths and weaknesses are as a player. He's not doing anything crazier in terms of output and skillset at this point. He's in the winding down stages of his career. It's an amazing going into the sunset run but he isn't changing as a player and doing something crazy like averaging 40/10/10.
And this is where it's hard for me to really put anybody above MJ because it's hard for me to see anyone actually better than him. He really did do just about everything and did it at a high level while there are still obvious weaknesses to Lebron's game. Like I'm not saying he isn't amazing. Other players have been dominant with limited skillsets as well. Like Shaq and his free throw shooting or Bill Russel's offensive ability. That being said Jordan was dominant while being able to do everything. He was a super gifted athlete, with an insane complete set of skills, and high basketball IQ. The man just could just beat you 5 different ways and it was up to how good of a mood he was in on how much or little he would embarrass you. This included the other superstars of the eras he competed in.
We haven't seen that before or since and I think that is where it's always going to be hard to find someone better than him for me. Lebron is an insane basketball player that has been dominant in his eras. He is a strange beautiful mixture of Kareem's longevity and Shaq's physical dominance with a little sprinkle of decent shooting and magic's passing in there to force defenses to keep honest with him.
Jordan was still capable of being that but even more. Like I could dream up a Frankenstein's monster of player attributes to make a better player. Giannis' physical gifts, Allen Iverson's ball handling, Magic Johnson's passing, Lebron's slashing ability, Ben Wallace's rim defense, Durant's shot creating ability, Steph's pure shooting ability. That would be a better player than Jordan but no such creature really exists and the closest thing we have to that monstrosity was Jordan imo.
bruh he counted Wilt and Lebron calling themselves the GOAT lmao, note Jordan never said anyone is GOAT
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Exactly
Except while he’s the paying he’s the best right? I’m an mj guy to but the bias is ugly
@@Tbaby47 well hes the best player in the world that time. so he said that. never said "OF ALL TIME" a big difference of present, and overall
When you step on the court to do battle with an opponent you can really feel the aura of someone great. Only the players understand this, not the fans.
From the many interviews I’ve listened to of NBA players that have played with or agains MJ, that’s the one thing they’ve mentioned. As if MJ had a greater fire than anyone else in the court.
Thanks for making this vid Jimmy. I have a feeling this will be your most viewed vid of all time.
Larry Bird and Michael Jordan are the two best by far. Kobe 3rd. These three players are also the best one on one players of all time too. They're also the greatest scorers. WINNERS! Clutch! I must make a mention of Allen Iverson. He was the greatest pound for pound.
Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy!!! As always… a master piece of analysis… I have been watching and playing basketball since I was a little boy and I born in the veryyyy early 70’s and I still watching the game…. But what I can say with a 100% sure, without desrespect the wonderful players of all different eras is that no body give me the emotion and excitement that MJ gave us every night…. The fear that he produced in his oponents it was notable… As his famous trainer said in the “Last Dance” documentary: “If you expend 2-3 hours site at your home to watch him play… He had a responsibility with his fans and people to do his best… to do his best ALL THE TIME” or a quote something similar to that… but you can see how emotional his trainer was when he was saying that…. Just think about it… Just saying…
God Bless You Jimmy!!!
Yes 1000% All Facts Here
Yeah, I don't ever recall watching MJ play and wondering if he was really trying. I don't even bother watching most regular season games anymore because the players are phoning it in and that is if they even show up.
I will always be a fan of LeBron but I truly believe MJ is the GOAT 🐐
@Bandup Zay Kobe Bryant is the only player to win three titles before the age of 23. Look it up. We know now Kobe could lead his own team to three consecutive finals. He lost to an amazing Celtics team probably would have spanked Jordan as well.
We will never know the kind of player Kobe could have been had he spent three years in college and then allowed to lead his own team. I imagine he still would have about 5 rings.
Kobe was so good and dominant that the NBA had to veto him getting Chris Paul because it wasn't fair to the other teams lmfao
@@gokuswanson2037 what are you even saying lol
@@aw98000 oh my bad lol, I said he wouldn't have been with Shaq the same way had he stayed in college like you said... It changes everything, no way in hell he wins 5 rings
@@gokuswanson2037 the Lakers don't win 3 in a row that's for sure. There's a very real chance the 1999 bulls draft Kobe Bryant first overall if all things remain the same.
I guess we'll agree to disagree. I think it's more than possible that Kobe wins 5 if he plays three years of college and has a team built around him from the start. It all depends on which team and which coach but if it's the bulls then he gets mentored by Jordan and Phil Jackson comes back and the bulls probably win another 5 rings over the next 15 years.
@@aw98000 that celtics team spanks Jordan? That's a lot a cope. How many rings mj got if he had someone even better than him to play with
Jimmy is undeniably the GOAT of basketball content
Wanted to upvote, but this comment is at 23 likes so it seems appropriate
I definitely liked to see how Kobe was ranked higher by players. A lot of fans put him so low on the Top 10, and so this is a great reminder that looking at just the numbers and accolades isn't a good way to define greatness.
Not only do I appreciate the extreme effort you always make to produce these videos, I also appreciate the quality of editing
It Keeps getting better
Ignoring the stats, the pure eye test. I watch footage of Michael Jordan and my eyes light up. Jimmy saying people talking about him, like he's a mythical being, is true. I watch and talk about MJ, thinking of everything he's done, remembering clips of amazing shit he's pulled, it brings happiness to my face. Not only that, the pure passion he brought to the sport, inspired my own (Kobe too)
My brother is the most hardcore basketball fan and says the same thing: even just watching MJ proved he was the goat. He literally made it exciting to watch, almost like poetry in motion. He made it exciting to love basketball.
When you think a basketball Jordan is what comes to mind..that says it all
This how you know he is truly the goat..
When you think hockey you think Wayne Gretzky, when you think golf you think tiger woods, when you think baseball you think Babe Ruth, when you think football you think Tom Brady, when you think soccer you think Ronaldo, and when you think basketball you think MJ! End of story. Man is a legend and I don’t think no one will ever pass him!
The d riding is crazy
@@ItzWavyBrazy holup Ronaldo? I don't even follow soccer but wouldn't people think of Pele or Messi first ..
I'm 55 years old and have witnessed Jordan's rise through Basketball from the beginning of his career right through to the end and all the surrounding (pre-internet) media buzz and hype he created which was unprecedented and even in today's far advanced media age, still unmatched. This is without a doubt the best piece i've watched on the GOAT debate and thank you for summing it up like it obviously had to be. Perhaps Jordan should be considered the God of Basketball, and everyone else can then be measured against each other as mere mortals.
I agree with you bro. Most of the new generation ball fans pick Lebron. These kids were not able to see how Jordan dominates the game. And hey i am not a Jordan fan and always cheer on every team Jordan faces in the finals. I am like 'any team but the bulls' kind of fan. And from a Jordan hater fan like me, i will still pick him as the Greatest of All Time.
@@theFILOProjectTV People will pick Jordan of course because he inspired them to start basketball and that's who they grew up watching. In 20 years, Lebron will be the clear favourite if you do the exact same thing because the people you ask will have grown up watching NBA with Lebron. It's much different playing against someone versus watching them. When you watch it, especially as a kid, they look like superheroes and when people look at things with nostalgia, like Jordan, they see only the good and exaggerate how good they were. People don't appreciate things until thy are gone, and some people will only start appreciating Jordan when he retires. The fact that Lebron has almost half the votes that Jordan has AND he still plays shows that by the time he leaves, it's not even going to be a debate of who the GOAT is.
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@raymondvictoria16 same here lol. I was the same way, I wanted reignman and the glove to win, also the best assist & steals player and mailman to win too!
@@MrTVx99No he won’t. Bron just doesn’t carry the same aura that Jordan has had for decades. When he is no longer playing and his propaganda machine loses its impact by not having him being propped up by some of the media and the NBA as the face of the league he will drop from the attention of the sport’s fans.
bro i got chills at the end
Rewatching this again you could also say that since young players would often hear from their fathers and other older people how great MIchael was it would leave an imprint that no matter how good lebron or how long he will still play Michael is a Mythical being.
It also maybe because Jordan set the bar so high. That whatever lebron do it will never live up to Jordans standards.
Yeah i've been thinkin' the same thing but I just couldn't put it into words thank you so much! You are so right!
Any young dude can see MJ stats, and, more important how he played. MJ is from 80s and 90s, not from black and white TV, you can see very well how was his playing, and yeah...is mythical...but not as an unicorn...also, guys like me, who saw MJ back in the days, still watch today. Also, guys older than me, who watched on direct Kareem, than MJ, than Kobe, than LeBron...still watch today...we are not all crazy. The majority, in any age, choose MJ as the goat. which is very normal. You also have to take attention to the vid, where Jimmy states that the age where LeBron got more notes is the players who play with him on this era...still, doesnt make it for him to win. Which is normal. What wasnt normal at any standard, was MJ...he was simply a freak of nature.
Dude I accept LeBron greatness, as I accept Karem or others greatness. I just dont agree that LeBron will ever surpass...maybe someday comes a guy that surpass MJ, not in the ícon thing, thats is almost impossible, but a better player, who people can say is the goat. But that guy is not LeBron, cause for me LeBron will never be better than he once was, everything he does adds, but only for his longevity, which is amazing and unique.
That’s cause MJ was better
7:00 give my man Jimmy some oxygen and some water lol
It's been said many times, but I'll repeat it here for emphasis: "There is a reason when people talk about greatness in other areas of competition, the goats are always referred to as the Michael Jordan of "
I do believe that this podcast era that we are livin in proofs that playing basketball and understand basketball are not the same thing
7:09 "There are no accidents."
For all the controversy on the debate, the staggering list of achievements MJ has will never be topped, not even by LeBron. LeBron is probably the 2nd best of all time, but the gap between him, as well as any player in history, and Jordan, is insurmountable.
I'll say in terms of resume, Jordan has it but I'd say overall LeBron is a better player IMO
@@WhydTheyChangeOurNames the better player wins his championship at greater chance, not jumping ships and plays offense & defense equally. Delete this garbage take.
@@carlpatrickragas2159 championships are won by teams not one player.
@@carlpatrickragas2159 not only is someone’s chance to win a chip based on the team as a whole it’s also based on competition and tbh lebrons competition is better cause just like the average basketball player in the 1990s is better then the average basketball player in 1970s the same rule applies from 1990s to 2010
@@carlpatrickragas2159 I believe Brandon was comparing LeBron and MJ like most basketball fans compare Wilt and Russell. Wilt was the better player by far with his statistical dominance, but Russell was greater as the leader of NBA's first and arguably greatest dynasty of all time. MJ is the GOAT by combining some of Wilt's statistical dominance with Russell's championship leadership while LBJ has more statistical dominance, better all around play and leading three different franchises to four championships including arguably the greatest title win being his 3-1 comeback in the 2016 Finals against the 73-9 Warriors led the NBA's only unanimous League MVP Steph Curry and ending Cleveland's 52 year world championship drought.
LBJ 30 votes:
-2 : Dr J and Robertson - Pissed that MJ took over their possible GOAT status
-2 : Isaiah and Laimbeer - Pissed due to Chicago - Detroit rivalry
-1 : Scottie - So sad :(
-1 : LBJ : ::::::)
So I actually count 24
Jimmy I know you prolly won’t see this but this is your best video ever