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I think that Steph is special because he has a pretty unique scenario. He's shown that he can be a dominant second option, a dominant first option, and arguably an even more dominant off-ball player while also revolutionizing the game. I'm by no means a warriors fan (roll knicks), but my utmost respect goes to that organization and how they've grown steph to be the core
Boy you wish steph was on the knicks in the draft.
@@ajanalysis7742 you're damn right i do
but that being said, knowing the knicks he wouldn't be the same player that he is today lmao
@@AceTyper the knicks will always be the knicks so knowing them they trade after a couple ankle injuries maybe even refuse to extend him after the first 2
Completly agree
His presence on the court is just affecting the game
the closer he gets to the three point line the tighter gets the opponents defense
I dont think there is any player that get doubled as much as him in his 5 finals run. Except maybe Jordan and Shaq and they were special in theyre own ways too
It was Dirk's entire playoff run, not specifically the finals, that was so special. his series against the lakers and thunder were the truly legendary performances. In the finals he wasn't AS good as the previous two series, but still definitely the fmvp
The Mavs swept the Lakers who were the reigning champs during that run and yet people dare to say it was a team full of scrubs
Dirk looked like Jesus in Dallas jersey in that run.
Thats why its finals MVP and not playoffs MVP
@@MrVlodato that's why it's most valuable and not statistical best.
@@MrVlodato His comment is in response to something that was said in the video
Who else is back after Curry Finally won His 1st FMVP?
Lol, who shouldve got it in , 18 and 15, the NBA probably just thought after bullying him that much they should just give him it
@@prodoz1428 Not 2017 when durant won. He has higher ppg, assists and rebounds and a lot more over curry. Being a die hard curry fan, its nothing but the facts which is why everyone said dubnation would never win without durant. Yet here we are in 2022. The 2015 Iguodala mvp was a robbery when curry had the highest stats over him.
me...
@@joeboom2470 ok KD fan boy
@@joeboom2470 he has a roblox pfp no use debating w/ facts
Had a lil chuckle 9:22 “Kobe Bryant” when talking Kawhi vs Steph. Awesome video had to share with so many of my basketball friends. Legendary
The biggest thing I get from consistently watching Jxmy's videos is just how dominant MJ truly was. He's basically at the top of every freakin' stat. And, just behind him, is LeBron. Almost every time.
In this scenario Bron has 7 and MJ has 5…
@@swagconundrum 1. You missed in my comment where I said "basically", not "literally all". And the part where I said this was after watching tons of his videos, not solely focusing on just this one in particular.
2. You left out the other stats *in this video* where MJ was on top, JUST so you can focus on the one where MJ lost.
@@matt0198922 This is basically why the GOAT debate ends up coming down to the difference in Finals records for many of the people that have Jordan. Despite what LeBron fans will try to say, it was never the ONLY reason or even the main reason. It's the cherry on top. For all of LeBron's individual greatness, it didn't have the impact on winning titles the way Jordan's greatness did for his teams. Trying to use LeBron's opponents being better is a lazy excuse because I see no reason why LeBron's teams couldn't be as good or better. He's had enough help to achieve that despite what his fans will have you think.
@@shovellware h o w
@@davidmartinez52420 He didn't have enough help Jordan had more help, not only from his teammates, but from the refs too.
9:10 imagine Kobe against curry. Never seen a visual error like this on the channel. Mad how consistent jimmy is.
Never knew Kobe played with the raptors and had the same hairline as kawhi you learn knew things by jimmy all the time
@@iliketurtles7782 Damn, I wish kobe played for the raptors instead of dropping 81 on them
There has been a few but I am sure its hard to catch them all
I actually didn’t notice this until you pointed it out lol
Yeah I was a bit confused when I saw that lol but it goes to show we aren't perfect 🤷♂
5:40 I too used to wonder why Dirk’s performance felt so good. One thing this model doesn’t capture understandably, but it’s significant and I think illuminates that je ne sais quoi Dirk had going: look at the points per game spread intra team. It was a low-ish scoring finals. Dirk’s % of team points allocation all series was tremendous. Never a night off. I mean look at game 3. Dirk shot 52% for a double double game high 36. Of the starters, a single player had double digit points. Technically Shawn had 10. But you get my point. He accounted for 42% of the teams points. Dirk didn’t have a Wade or Bosh. Jason Terry went off twice. But Dirk was efficient night in, night out. Eating clock, making shots count against a formidable big 3. It worked. And his play style was 100% the game changer.
You are blinded bro. If you talk about 2011 finals, noo sorry, but Dirk wasn't efficient 🤣🤣🤣he was totally the opposite, he was very inefficient player in those series and had 41,6% from the field which definitely isn't soo good. He averaged 26 points while Wade averaged 26,5 points on miles better 54,6% feom the field, more assists, more steals and more blocks than Dirk. Wade played one of the most complete finals ever those series and he was very, very efficient while doing that.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 true that’s why wade won right :)
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 imagine how many open looks dirk would get playing alongside lebron james at his prime.
@@ienjoyrice nothing 🤣🤣🤣because in those series Lebron didn't helped Wade to score those points, he alone made those drives and those mid-range shots, Lebron was terrible in those finals so stop mentioning him, in those series Lebron wasn't Lebron. Dirk missef in those finale shots that he usually makes, again Wade was much more dominamt than Dirk on both sides on the floor. Dirk never even thought about playing defense, Wade blocked even their center who was much, much higher than him.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 wade still lost. You typed that whole essay and they were losers.
I know you’ve already put the asterisk that there are other factors than just the numbers that go into deciding the finals MVP. But specifically in the Steph / KD situation it’s so much more important, Steph is the arguably most unselfish star in the NBA, and when you rewatch the games you’ll see that KD could only put up those numbers and win those games cause of Steph’s magnetism of defenders opening up unbelievable spaces for KD. Steph sacrificed his numbers so another star can shine, he won rings for it but is always discredited because of it. Remember when KD left and Klay was injured and Steph was dropping James-Harden-in-Rockets-prime kind numbers? Steph can do so much more but he’s part of a system especially with Kerr’s impact on his minutes, it’s both a blessing and a curse. Still the best naturally gifted player in my books by a mile - man was born to play basketball yes!
Dam son you hit tat nail on the head
one of the best takes i’ve ever seen
@@kannaachockalingam5433 possibly one of the greatest stories ever told
further proof to this is the current Nets
i mean, yes, but curry playing the way he did allowing kd to put up ridiculous numbers means that kd is still the mvp, while curry supplemented his play.
I'm not gonna lie, at 9:18 Kobe looks very different than what I'm used to seeing. Didn't know he played for the Raptors.
It doesn't matter we all know that all "BLACK" people look alike so..💯🤣
@@herbmes ?
@@herbmescome again
As a non biased Bucks fan, Giannis’ performance in the Finals was legendary! From coming back after that horrendous looking injury, to the big game defining moments, and the 50 piece! He was spectacular and real NBA fans will agree. Props for bringing his performance up.
Are you non-biased because you say you’re non-biased? 😂
I agree. Giannis had a legendary finals last year. Not to mention the second most clutch block I’ve seen in the finals
@@TheKL04 well hes not wrong. From the bulls fan
Why do you have to say you're non-biased? You don't say it, you show it. You're like you're in denial lmao
@@TheKL04 He's saying that he roots for the Bucks, regardless of how good they are. If Giannis didn't have a legendary Finals performance, he wouldn't acknowledge it as legendary.
KD's NBA finals performances are criminally underrated
but steph made it possible tho
Your prediction was close about the Celtics winning like a month ago, but warriors just took it, let’s go.
Nahh it was the numbers that pointed it out. Celtics couldve had won it if it was all stats
Celtics lost because of turnovers .
celtics threw a couple games this series and at times did not have an answer for the warriors' offense. They looked lost on offense at times and really couldn't get tatum going. Warriors played better ball but one small play can change the outcome of the whole series. word to bron
I think it is because experience was not a factor in that prediction. Experience is a random variable in calculations so when compared to the warriors who lived in the finals, the current celtics are practically nobodies.
@@bighuncho5210 They have turnovers because Warriors actually played defense 🤡 stop the excuses 🤡🤡
Giannis’s Finals MVP would carry more weight if they factored “overcoming weakness” as a actual stat. Knocking down all those free throws speaks volumes.
Lets not forget the hyperextended knee
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Man fuck allat 😭 they shouldnt have made it to the finals to begin with neither should have the Suns shit was luck for both teams making it bc of injuries
@@TeeWhy073 1. You face who is in front of you. 2. The Nets were healthy this year, but they got swept by the Celtics. The same Celtics who Giannis alone took to 7 games. 3. We could argue that if Middleton wasn’t injured this year that the Bucks would’ve made the finals again. Who on the Warriors is stopping Giannis? They have no size. Giannis would avg 40 in a series against GSW, and with how inconsistent the Warriors are I feel like the Bucks would’ve had a damn good chance to win if they made it again. Once again, you just have to play who is in front of you.
@@TeeWhy073 Giannis still had an all time great series, regardless of whether you think the teams deserved to be there or not.
highest quality sports content on the internet, makes the "media" look silly in comparison. love you jimmy
Watch @Thinking Basketball. Their content is super interesting and enjoyable, and really high-quality stuff too. Them and this account are my two favorite basketball accounts
jj reddick is the only bit of basketball media that's an exception but otherwise its a bunch of clowns
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacts
The media is “silly” aka trash regardless
It doesn't.. but he makes good videos.. not tryna put a penis on a pedestal after putting pussy on pedastals my whole life
Aside from what the numbers show, i think we also need to consider how the opposing teams deal with the other players... I mean it's not really easy to drop 30 getting harassed and double teamed all the time
that what he did but lost in the play in :,(
@@brianventura1425 Who lost in the play -in?
@@AM-dd6dx you're clearly trolling. What does last year gotta do with this year?
That happens to every superstar stop meatriding Stephanie curry 😂😂😂
Well it's game night and he literally just won it
Yessir
With my series on this topic, I’ve had to think about this a LOT. Was cool to hear your thoughts on it, and hey, and choices are nearly identical! Haha. Keep doing your thing, Jxmy. You set the standard for the rest of us
Saw that series! 100% would recomend
I saw the start and thought “Oh snap Jonny already did this!” But you’re both great so let’s goooi
That was an awesome series, some of your best work!
@@JxmyHighroller hi
@@JxmyHighroller been watching for more than 4 years
You can’t deny Steph Curry has changed the game in a way we’ve never thought. Props to him.
how it feel
It never fails to amaze just how skinny 2015 Steph was - looking not only like a high schooler, but a stick figure to boot. He's put so much effort into bulking up (while remaining nimble) these last few years.
@@jackstrawful the nigga was 6'3 180 he just wasnt cut. hes a shooter. he 195-200, all muscle now. u have to take time because u dont want extra strength to throw off your shot.
actually I think that 2015 and 2108 should be stephs because Cavs are always doubling steph on downtown and give space for durant to dunk.
He fortunate to have a great organization behind him
Well he got it now
@9:20, I’m pretty sure someone already told you, but you have Kobe Bryant’s name on the screen instead of Kawhi Leonard. It happens to all of us
yeye I noticed and was about to comment as well
Wonder if those were Kobe’s numbers too from a different series
I was about to say that too lol
The 2011 finals shows us why the mvp can't just be a matter of crunching numbers. Dirk Nowitzki led his team to victory against a stronger team. He was the heart and soul of that team, and undoubtedly their best player. And Dwyane's mvp score almost doubles that of Dirk's. Numbers mean nothing if your team doesn't win.
It might mean you were a better player that lost to a better team.
@@grega3611 Even then it's a useless effort. This award isn't for the best player, it's for the most valuable. You have the most value when you contribute decisively to victory. If you lose, you might the best in terms of numbers, but you're certainly not the most valuable because there's no value in defeat.
Bro goated comment
@@bruno3 good point
@@bruno3 Put prime MJ with literal newborns and have him play a decent college team. Which team wins? Would you really say one of those college kids is a more valuable player than MJ or is it simply that his value, though HIGHER THAN EVERYONE ELSE, isn't high enough to make up for his teammates lack of value?
While I 100% agree than the intangibles that can't be put on paper make Dirk deserving of the fmvp, in a TEAM sport, TEAM victories and losses don't determine INDIVIDUAL value. The performance of the individual determines their value.
Giannis having the second highest FMVP score in the last 37 years is GOATED. He was that guy by far in that finals.
I agree. My only "problem" is the stupidity of the Suns matching Giannis and Deandre Ayton 1on1. When Giannis is on the court, you build a wall. Very simple. It might work, it might not. But to leave Giannis 1on1 with Deandre Ayton the whole series is probably the worst coaching I've seen in my life. I'll never use that against Giannis but when I think of that series, first I think of his greatness then I think of how stupid the Suns were
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I’d love to see Giannis keep this up. If he can he’ll enter the goat discussion within the next 5 years.
Let’s not forget that he came off of a hyperextended knee to start the series
I think the Mj and Giannis performances are even more impressive than the numbers showed. Both were really clutch multiple times and had some of the greatest highlights of the finals ever
This is one of the things I always think. In my case for Manu Ginobili. He had a lot of great games, but he didn't put 35pts games all the time like other people. However, whenever he came on the court maybe he made 2 or 3 three pointers, but those were like massive at the end of a quarter or whenever the team needed that morale.
I think Kobe was the same. Besides the raw numbers, he was electrifying to play with. And that energy (as he said himself) is not something you can show in statistics.
Yeah, i think it would be interesting to see a stat describing the value of made shots. So a gamewinning threepoint buzzer beater, shot over the dpoy would be the most valuable shot and would a large score. While a completely wide open layup while ahead by 50 would add practically nothing.
With that stat we could truly see who performs bet on ball in clutch moments.
Your legwork to go through mountains of statistical data and answer questions we all wonder about is so admirable and what makes you one of the best TH-camrs around. Great stuff, love it!
9:15
damn Kobe Bryant be looking different man
I knew i wasn't the only one
Jesus Shuttlesworth.
Facts. Although I'm a Spurs fan, I'm a big Ray Allen fan, also have his autobiography. Big fan of him. Great guy.
and he was more than just a fuckin shooter the most disrespected legend by the nba his own team and fans
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Ray Allen saved lebron legacy
Wwe is realer than the NBA. Just so you know the Lakers bucks and warriors all won there championship in 6 in the last 3 years. Btw this the day before game 6 and I guarantee warriors win
16 th on trending,
Can't believe it, was with you guys from the beginning, can't believe, from where we started and look at us today.
Love you Jimmy.
Keep doing the great work ❤️
What this tells me?
Stats not be sole criteria to judge.
So, Westbrook is a great player and can put stats but not valuable for winning.
The under appreciation for what Giannis does is infuriating. Even in the games against the Celtics where they lost, Giannis was the best player. If Middleton was playing, Celtics would have never won.
We don't know that
@@cristophermariano6437 yes we do.. If you actually watched the game. Middleton was the deciding factor. His size and shooting coupled with the fact that giannis could actually rest while middleton is on the floor. Makes a huge difference. Even without his number 2..giannis took it to 7 games.. That is proof enough. Celtics are a good team. But they are playing immaturely. Just like giannis was before they won their first championship.
The only proof we need is the fact he took the Celtics to seven games...if middleton was even in just one game...it would be a different story...(
@@wilbronendege5273 exactly
@@wilbronendege5273 the celtics suck ass. i swear ppl complained about the lakers and lebron vs "easy" heat. this team his ass and has both star players playign like a benching given 30 minutes and a green light
I think the stats don't show how good was Dirk in 2011 because his legendary run wasn't because the numbers were insane, it was because he beat eight first ballot hall of famers in a championship run.
But did he do it or his team?
@@iPeriodBlood he led his team to do it
@@fredrickmazeli8340 Exactly. Who else on the Mavs deserved that award?
You’re misunderstanding, the best player in the finals was Wade that series. But Dirk was really good in that whole run, and the numbers show that, but they also show that Wade was better than him in the series
Imagine if LeBron didn't choke.
My boy finally got his Finals MVP💯
one of the few on youtube who’s videos i look forward to watching!!! you’re the best Jimmy keep up the great work!!!
One significant impact of Steph's game isn't fully represented in his stats: That's his gravity.
His gravity was also one of the big reasons why KD could perform as well as he did in the 2017 and 2018 finals. I think if you want to compare Steph with other players you would also have to consider this. Since his gravity is one of his most impactful traits as a great player.
Gravity is represented in some form in BPM
@@KINGJERMARCUS (X) doubt
Some stats/pros that Steph would score high in but are not easily measured:
1. How a player stretches the other team defense. It's said all the time that when he is on the ball being double teamed he is VERY happy to unselfishly pass the ball to the open guy. But additionally when Steph is on the court everybody has to RUNNNNN and stay running. (BTW This is one of the disadvantages of iso-basketball teams and ball hog superstars - the defending team doesn't have to run. They have time to think.)
One of the reasons the warriors beat teams in 3rd and 4th quarters is because the opponents are gassed during crunch time. And one of the reasons the warriors are deadly in transition is because you are running from the time Steph crosses half court. Harder to coordinate the defense plan.
2. Ability for teammates to be themselves. With Steph on the court there is no pressure if you try your thing and fail. He is by far the most team friendly superstar in the modern game. This plays out for small positives during a single game but for very big franchise benefits over time. Combined with Kerr's coaching style players are able to find themselves and their true form during the season when playing with the warriors... by the time the play offs arrives the whole Golden State roster can feel like a threat.
3. Score quickly. I don't see much people talking about this but Steph has a habit of scoring in bursts. Nothing seems to deflate another side as when Steph goes on runs of raining 3's. This is his version of "clutch"
The greatest off ball player in NBA history ?
@@Cafetero_ Sure is!
I really love how you take these topics and bust them wide open. Anytime I see you put out a new video I know that you're going to subvert expectations and give us a new outlook on something that is much more than meets the eye. Amazing work regarding the Finals MVP.
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The finals MVP trophy died on 2015, and until Steph wins it, the trophy will be relevant again!
@@MediumCoast LMAOOO NAHHH
His videos are full of flaws. In this case it starts at 0:00, where he conveniently merges MJs 1995 comeback and his 1996 season one year later for dramatization. He's not legit.
Just gonna drop the congrats to the GSW for the NBA Finals victory and the Finals MVP Steph
The level of research and understanding of the game of basketball and that stats the go into are just insane. Jimmy is a godsend. We love you, Jimmy.
Giannis is way too underrated it’s crazy he averaged 35 13 and 5 in the finals and probably got better this year. By far the best player in the league in terms and current form and consistency.
Giannis isn’t underrated 💀
Yeah he is not underrated lol everyone knows Giannis is a beast
Giannis has the most heart in the league he never gives up
“Yes, I need a 50 piece chicky nuggie meal, not 49 piece, not 51 piece, 50, FIFTY piece, and a lemonade please” ~Giannis “The Greek Freak” Antetokounmpo
@@igrojikku2212 I mean everyone likes chicky nuggies right
I love that Kawhi is named Kobe Bryant at 9:22 when jimmy was talking about the 2019 finals MVP
I think he was a bit tired 😴
@@MetawarOG Kawhi = Kobe confirmed
Impressive deep, objective and straightforward analysis, thanks!
These numbers do not even remotely make it objective. If this was how basketball contribution was decided then Steph would have 1 chip and LeBron would have 7. It’s sad that a video like this brainwashed people who don’t understand the game.
This is by far the best channel for sports that I'm subscribed to (nothing comes close). I love your non-biased brutal numbers approach to arguments that elsewhere are comical more often than not. Thank you for this my friend. Love this channel!!
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Steph curry had one of the greatest Finals performances against one of the best defense ever assembled. Truly remarkable and he surely deserves his first FMVP.
bro are u sped, im a warriors fan and boston is no where near one of the best defences ever assembled
Giannis, a hobbled Jimmy Butler, and now Steph Curry have been giving that defense buckets this playoffs. The only one they managed to slow down was Durant.
@@travistchokotieu7915 I mean, if you believe the stats then yes they are
Na he just shoots can't guard a chair and is loaded .
@@travistchokotieu7915 sped lol
Hats off to you! You always do such a great job in your stat line. The NBA should follow your guidelines because I've been thinking this way for many many years and always was disappointed when that MVP trophy was handed out to whatever individual player the NBA decided who should receive it.
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Can't believe it, was with you guys from the beginning, can't believe, from where we started and look at us today.
Love you Jimmy.
Keep doing the great work ️
The problem with result base analysis like these is the fact that it does not take into account the defensive tactic. A lot of great players don't have great numbers because the defensive team will focus more attention on them because they are that great.
Remember when Steph was double the whole game, and he just decided to stand in the home court so that his team can 4 v 3 them. If you use result base analysis like this you will think Steph had no impact on the game. But the factthat he drew 2 players to him is more valuable than any of these metrix .
and the problem with this is it doesn't fully take into account the minute details that nbody ever sees. Like how Lebron is a team player MORE so than a scorer. If he was an outright scorer. He'd have more rings and mvps. But he's not that selfish.
@@catedoge3206 disagree. if lebron was more of a scorer it does not equate to him winning more. He has those accomplishments BECAUSE he is a team player. If he was more of a scorer he wouldn’t average the same assists or have the same PER etc and he wouldn’t elevate his team like he’s done in the past by being more selfish
@@catedoge3206 also this wouldn’t even make lebron more valuable at all, all it changes is his scoring at the end of the day. OP explained it well
Steph doesn't get doubled by just standing. He only gets doubled when he's putting in a ton of work running around and getting a bunch of screens.
@@catedoge3206 sounds like you're confusing his last 3 years with his whole career
It would be interesting to see the stats just on the games won, because that's what creates the MVP perception, that's probably why Igudala won it.
Curry didn't win it because he had a bad game in 2015 finals where they lost which gave the perception that he choked. And Iggy got it for defending lebron I guess. People forget though that steph scored 37 points to win game 5. He was clearly better than Iggy.
@@AQGOAT24 yes curry should have gotten the finals MVP award over Andre that year, 100%… but he has a chance this year in 2022 so let’s see how it goes
Nah, Curry played better than Iguodala even on the games they won. Iggy was just voted because he almost triples his stats in the finals, which is an insane improvement but still not close to what Steph did.
Also don't forget about Jerry West losing in the finals but winning the MVP
After watching kawhi and iguadola win finals MVP, I felt like they won the award because they were guarding LeBron. Not that they shut him down, but they were the primary defender on the toughest defensive matchup. That is why I think they won the award
mannn it was really weird because legit everybody who had guarded lebron was winning it. it was weird tbh
Wasn’t just that,both had all around great games,they both played almost flawlessly within a teams cohesion
9:15 Kobe? All jokes aside another great video Jxmy, keep it up you are killing it.
I know the stats didnt show everything, but the curry gravity is a thing you can only explain if you watch the games, durant only have 35 because teams fear curry giving him double teams every time he touch the ball, the record of double teams received in the finals is his, even today, with just 16 points and a horrible shooting night, golden state won because draymond, payton and others got easy ways to the basket by currys gravity
Not really. KD put up 35.4ppg against the bucks last year with nobody taking attention away from him on defense. He's always been able to score 35
@@OscarUnrated what? I’d say having either Harden or Kyrie on the court takes some attention away from him… there’s a reason the Warriors were as unbelievably dominant as they were, while any other team Durant is on regardless of the amount of all stars he has end up failing miserably… When you’re on a team with the most dangerous shooter the game has ever seen & that guy can literally pull up from half court consistently, then you tend to get more open shots & 1 on 1s… Sure Durant can have a few game stretch where his stats are insane, but where has that gotten him when he wasn’t on a team with Curry?
@@QasperDubstep Kyrie wasn't playing and Harden was hobbling around on one knee playing terrible. KD put up 49 points, 17 rebounds and 10 assists game 5. Maybe KD would've won last year if his team stayed healthy. Anyway it's not my point to argue KD vs Steph
It’s not like he’s the only one with gravity
Even Ty Lue admitted it. They’d rather let Klay and KD be alone and just double Steph.
Jxmmy needs to work for the nba, the numbers he’s crunching for us is just unreal
This was one of the best videos I’ve ever watched Jimmy. Great job!
Imagine in 2018: "Congrats to the Warriors on sweeping the finals, but the MVP is going to Lebron James" it would feel like a pity trophy
How he was the best player on the court
@@kdubs928 he didn’t have to share the ball with 4 hall of famers like the dubs did. That skews a lot of his numbers. The east was so incredibly weak during that time period that lebron and nobodies were able to make the finals
@@waltercampbell9787 the facts that there was a team with 4 hall of famers in their prime to beat a team of nobodies and lebron is ridiculous, nobody on the warriors deserve the ring let alone the damn finals mvp they didn’t earn either 😭
@@kdubs928 that's because how they defended him. They let him go off. That's why stats can be false
Not to mention they lost by an average of 15 ppg. The closest they came to winning a game was a 10 point OT loss. 2014 would be nearly as bad. Steal 1 game and STILL manage lose by an average of 14 ppg, but here's your MVP trophy. Ridiculous.
Both Steph and LeBron demand a lot of attention from the defense, they are also willing to pass. This makes me wonder what it would have been like seeing them together!
Still could happen. Only chance really is if Lebron goes to golden state though, steph isn’t leaving
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They’d go 82-0
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Wwe is realer than the NBA. Just so you know the Lakers bucks and warriors all won there championship in 6 in the last 3 years. Btw this the day before game 6 and I guarantee warriors win
Bro, ima subscribe!!!! The amount of information that you go through to make your videos should not be overlooked. Awesome videos man
bro these videos are so addicting you make everything in the nba into a story its so good i cant stop watching
Dirk would have won the award either way. His stats may not show his dominance, but his presence on the court and contribution to the Dallas Mavericks was more than numbers. He did not have any real help going into the playoffs but showed 110% of his effort to push his team forward. If he had lost the finals, it would have nothing to do with playing bad.
Dirk wouldn’t have won MVP if Dallas lost 😂
@@kluemenadi thanks capt. obvious. you really changed my point of view in life
That Dallas team was stacked. Mad veterans but played together everyone could shoot
This video has so many flaws
I just started the video, but already enjoyed the shout-out to Kemp's series. My favourite player at the time was, of course, MJ, but Shawn Kemp was definitely my second favourite, both these distant from the third. He is a criminally under-appreciated player. Sure, his peak did not last very long, but what a peak! Pure joy to watch play with Payton.
As I always say quality over quantity right?
I was waiting for the segment where you compute the current finals standing regarding this year's finals, but great video anyway! always so entertaining.
Incredible video, learned a ton that I otherwise wouldn’t have known. One minor error though, at 9:17 you mistakenly wrote “Kobe Bryant” instead of Kawhi Leonard when comparing his and Steph’s stats for the 2019 Finals
It's an intentional joke, i think
I just went to keyboard warrior that statement but refrained. Glad someone saw it.
@@tiffanylovelovelove do you know the origin?
@@garygfgf4460 Greece
Good to know I wasn’t the only one that noticed it lol
I'll never get to see Kobe talk about basketball again. All of the insight from someone who put in tens of thousands of hours into the game, true blood, sweat and tears. People forget how he had to comeback from a career ending injury, reinvent his game and still win rings.
You are missed.
who was that guy
Being curious about the number Curry accumulated this finals, it's pretty great and his highest so far. With a 23.2 GmSc and adding 10.9 BPM it sums to 34.1 MVP SCORE, including 31.2 PPG 6 RPG 5 APG 62 %TS
Coming back after the Worriers won the championship and seeing this unedited thumbnail is trippy. Dude never misses with these predictions. 😂
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Man I started following you recently, but I can 100% confirm that every video you make is top tier because of the choice of argument, use of words, stunning amount of work behind each stat you do analyze. I hope you'll keep making masterpieces like these for long, and you really deserve all the love and respect you're receiving
Shaq’s final performances are absolutely dominant . Him showing up in finals and destroying everybody makes him top 7 of all time 🔥
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he had goat potential if he cared enough
@@bighancho5351 finally someone with a brain
@@bighancho5351 literally if he never split up from the lakers and actually kept his body in shape, he might’ve been considered the GOAT.
Your number crunching never seizes to amaze me. Thanks for the insight!!
35.54 is what Jokic had in the 2023 NBA finals as a finals MVP score
let's all appreciate the fact that jxmy takes his time to create high quality content for us
without a doubt
Dun kno
@@Elementtx1021 Other TH-camrs choose instead to spit bullshit in order to make money. Jxmy keepin it real 🔥
Steph's value can't be seen just in stats. His presence that draws the attention of the defenders is definitely can be a case for fmvp. If Steph wasn't there in, do you think Kd would be still be able to put up those numbers?
Yes any day of the week, he was putting same numbers in okc
@@easymoneysniper1256 yeah because he had an mvp level pg in russel westbrook, with his amazing playmaking
@@easymoneysniper1256 how many rings did he get without steph?
@@stephengrigg5988 how many rings would steph have without KD?
@Roberto Gutiérrez and KD averaged 26 points and that was his worst playoff series ever so i don't see a point really
Jxmy...always...always putting in that work to answer those questions we all wonder about. Love your videos!
In the AFL (australian football League) we have an award that is almost identical to the finals MVP, Its reserved for the best player on the winning team, however in the 2002 grand final Nathan Buckley Played so well that they gave him the medal even though he lost. Anyway I ended up getting named after him. 😂
It’s really hard to be guarded by two players- remember , NBA players aren’t average joes , they’re the best of the best. Being guarded by two people who are at the elite level, and still dropping 20+ is insane! Hats off to Steph.
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Consistently cohesive, analytical and high quality sports content. Jimmy always goes in depth with every video through the use of statistics and straight-up logical thinking, which is just incredible.
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Great video bro, keep them coming. I’m here for it
these videos keep getting better!
Problems I have with FMVP and MVP awards are that they are almost completely subjective and you have select people who vote based off what? Imo, it should be more statistical considering context aswell
And prolly impact as well. And yes, I agree that the fmvp voting is pretty irrational
Mr FreeThrow Merchant fans gonna cry if that happens
I think the narrative should also be taken into consideration though. Many things like leadership and a clutch shot aren’t shown in the stats mentioned in the video, but are critical to the outcome of a series. Making the bulk of the fmvp statistical would take away from these moments which are arguably far more important than an extra 2ppg or 7% shooting
stats are flawed sometimes.. it does not show the player who was guarded by 2 people starting from half court thus giving space for his team mates,, it also does not show the players who lock down opposing team's best player without steal or block.. it does not show on stats, only on eye-test..
@@frogge7712 I agree with you 100%, that’s why I say context. Someone also mentioned a good point about getting points in garbage time in a finals game so there’s definitely a balance that needs to be there. I just feel as things as voter fatigue, and the popular narrative shouldn’t take the best of voters who give this award
The amount of work jimmy puts in his videos is absolutely fucking *insane* he is the true mvp
9:15 damn Kobe looks different than I remember
Cornrow Kobe😂
9:14 The 2019 FMVP was rightfully awarded to Kobe Bryant, he was incredible.
I know this same message gets posted every time you upload a video, but I'm well overdue posting it myself... YOU'RE A FREAKING LEGEND!! Honestly, you make very possibly the BEST sport-related videos out there! The time and effort put into them week-in, week-out is insane and they are consistently top, top quality! The attention to detail and depth of information is always such easy viewing, so hats off, keep doing what you do!
Everytime you upload, it makes me genuinely happy, thank you my man for the consistent content 🙌
2:31 funny to see the aaaah french meme here lol
that thumbnail aged phenomenally
Big props to you man. Even though the Celtics are looking at an L: the fact that you predicted them to win and they're holding their own so well against the Warriors is a big analytic dub for you from my perspective. You are the NBA G.O.A.T - never forget that!
Facts
He predicted Jokic to win MVP before Jokic was even close to being in the conversation
@Luke Thomas exactly
@Luke Thomas Those guys were injured and lacked the talent and depth of the Warriors. Are you forgetting that the Celtics might end up CHOKING LIKE THE SUNS DID LAST YEAR?!?! I mean, at least the Celtics showed SOME fight, but.....still no.
I feel Celtics could make a comeback though I'm rooting for warriors as I want them and Draymond green to win the finals and say they won it without KD(Draymond said that statement to KD)
But Celtics Id like to see them win including Jason Tatum to get his ring. It's so this is hard;;;
Tbh in my opinion finals mvps shouldn’t really be used in debates (especially to tear down Steph) partially because of this vid showing it’s pretty flawed. Also being the consistent 2nd or 3rd best player on a winning team isn’t necessarily a bad thing (eg Kobe)
There should be actual former players that vote on the fucking fmvp, not these clowns who voted IGUODALA as fmvp over steph.
it isnt bad for a good player but for someone whos in goat debate all the time it really makes a whole lot of difference.
This is a very thorough breakdown. Keep up the awesome work
NHL has awarded the Conn Smythe (playoff MVP) several times to players on the losing team. It's really in the spirit of the award and NBA could easily do that as well
Great video. I like these videos because it gives so many different perspectives. Stats are important but don't really shows exactly how valuable someone is. The Box +/- is often a flawed stat because a person can have 0 points with limited production and have a higher +/- than a person who has a 40-10-10 with efficiency, which is crazy. So while these scores/stats may suggest one thing, other outside factors like player gravity, the able to draw double and triple teams, and other intricate details a person can do that don't show up in the stats. Great video as always, Jxmy!
Take a shot everytime Jimmy says "Finals MVP"
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Love the vids Jimmy!
The fact that my mans Jxmy went to the trouble of crunching all those numbers (I’m convinced Jxmy is addicted to crunching numbers and no one can convince me otherwise) immediately deserves a like and maybe a cold one because no one else on YT takes the phrase “going the extra mile” more literally than JXMY HIGHROLLER!
Seriously tho my mans Jxmy has gon the extra mile so many times that he could’ve probably taken those miles and turn it into some kinda chart that shows how many extra miles he’s taken!
I don't remember someone saying that Kobe should be FMVP of one of the three-peat Lakers Championships. Basketball fans know that it was definitely Shaq's, since EAST teams are weaker. What they argue was Kobe is equally (or maybe a little more) valuable on the Wester Conference Playoffs matchups during that run.
kobe didnt create all of shaq's points
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Yea no Shaq was definitely had the best performances in the finals. That’s because the teams they played biggest weak spot was the center position. While if you look at the Western Conference playoff games you’ll see him and Kobe having identical stats.
Still is irrelevant cause he was the better player in the finals 🤨
Kobe is the most overrated player in NBA history, so push for him as MVP in any finals while Shaq dominated isn't surprising.
I hope Middleton comes back soon so the bucks can go at it again Gianni’s is just too good
I see them winning next year
Man this whole video is🔥🔥🔥
bro yk you really the goat it’s never ah video that doesn’t go under 1 million fr imma long time sub im proud to say im part of the high roller family
Awesome Video. I know you limited your scope to 1985-present, but I'm surprised you didn't mention the one time in NBA history that the finals MVP went to someone on the losing team: Jerry West in 1969 averaging 37.9 points, 4.7 rebounds, and 7.4 assists per game. His Lakers lost to the Celtics in 7 games that finals.
And interestingly enough, that was also the first time the NBA handed out the Finals MVP award
That era was so garbage in glad Jimmy doesn’t include it. League wasn’t even constructed all the way yet
I believe he only included 1985-present because advance stats and data are limited from the seasons before 1985. And 1969 was probably the best time where a player from the losing team had the best chance of winning the fmvp, because it was the award's first season and everything from the trophy to how the recipient is chosen is still new.(so it can sort of be negligible when looking at every possible finals series)
@@kylinmooney167 how do u know the 60s and 70s era was garbage? Were u around then or are u just regurgitating talking points? The league was in its infancy but it doesn't means it was garbage fella.
Damn this is what I was looking for 💯
Thank u
I hate how losing isn't counted in finals mvp but I understand why it isn't. If it was then the league would encourage more dominant performances and less winning in the finals.
Agreed. You’d have way too many players trying to stat pad, especially if they were on the weaker team that was less likely to win.
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Jerry West won on a losing team
@@ScrillaTMU you say that but when was the last time someone in the losing team won?
I don't think anyone would actually want to stat pad instead of winning the finals.
You better be getting that video ready to drop
What annoys me is that there has been a player that has won fmvp on a losing team.
I don’t know there is so much variety in different cases of winning the MVP but when it comes to finals MVP you have to win in order to qualify even though that wasn’t the case before.
Jerry west won it he’s living proff
Jxmy 1000% should be hired by some sports analyst company or talk show. The preparation and work he puts in is unmatched and it is clearly appreciated on TH-cam but doesn’t get near the recognition it deserves on a larger scale. We appreciate u jxmy, pls keep up the good work for all your great and loyal fans
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Respectfully, he should stay where he is. They would ruin it.
@@JeffThePoustman Exactly what I clicked replies to say.