I have it on my 535i stage 2+ with catless downpipe and Upgraded intercooler. On the Dyno he have only 337 HP and 402 NM. Could be the Turbo that is not giving more boost.
Stage 1 introduced significant amount of turbo lag on my m240i, which is bad for track use. Stage 2 reduced the turbo lag by quite a lot with a highflow DP. Even without a big bump of peak torque/horsepower over stage 1, the smoothness is absolutely more desired on the track.
Some run more boost some run more timing. BM3 to me does it better from tuning perspective. On BM3 I have lower intake temps and car just runs stronger and more consistently.
Brian.. we hear all over about upgrades and increases in HP. How about and in depth video on the issues you can run into. What are some of the negatives to modding??
There's none really if you do everyhing correctly. All of the OTS maps are relatively safe and run within BMW's stock internals just fine. All you have to do is cut your intervals in half or thirds for when you do maintenance oil changes severy 3.5k, spark plugs 25k, etc. thats the only negatives.
I think the MPPK map you used was the one included in the BM3 map pack correct? I think that is the old version that mimics N55 MPPK HP. The BMW factory MPP(S)K for B58 with the included exhaust makes closer to stage 1. You should retest with a real MPPSK car.
I have the MPPSK on my 2018 F32 440i Xdrive. The pops and bangs is awsome that it makes. Can you get the MPPSK on later cars in US? Here in Sweden (or the whole EU) some regulations have done so they dont sell it anymore.
@@HenkeEdge Yes, you can still get MPPSK for 16-18 cars in the US. The pops and bangs are original loud version, opposed to the EU updated version that has been toned down.
I also bet the car was still learning the tunes which is why every second run had higher numbers than the first. I bet the stage 2 tune will read higher after being on the car for a week or two.
To use the stage 2 tune you really need to swap in a HPFP upgrade, the tune is the programming but you can't skimp on the hardware. If you only have the downpipe upgrade stick with stage 1, a HPFP makes a notable difference, at that point flash the stage 2 and you'll really be glad you did.
With the MPPSK package (by BMW) you also get: 1. full OEM warranty 2. this amazing MPPSK exhaust system (not available in aftermarket) 3. higher resale value
Great results. BM3 is the most amazing tuning platform today. OTS maps are solid! But so many other reasons it just obliterates everything in its way. BM3 FTW!
VERY interesting video. I have an M235i and just bought BM3 with one map that I have not picked yet. I've already installed a Wagner intercooler and a Evolution Racewerks charge pipe. I have a Fabspeed 200 cell catted downpipe on order and have been trying to decide to stick with stage 1 or go to stage 2. I like the torque curve of the stage 1 for the street and this video finally answered the question. I'm sticking with Stage 1. Thanks guys!
You should be getting much more HP from the MPPSK, also there’s an S in there because it comes with an exhaust (S-for Sound which is honestly the best sounding exhaust for these cars and has a full muffler bypass so straight piped from the downpipe back when in sport and quite like stock in comfort) unlike the MPPK on the N55. MPPSK usually is about a 35-40 whp increase. I think more runs as the car adjusts would have been better.
So what's the point of stage 2, if.stage 1 gives the 'same' power? In reality when tuners tell you , that u need a catless downpipe for stage 2. It's basically the catless downpipe giving the power not the stage 2 tune itself??
Hi Brian, would love to see a dyno run with the stage 1 HPFP or someone looking to increase more power the stage 2 HPFP Dorch. This flash would be the stage 2+. Next video please ;)
I agree but it’s just not practical to do because of the dyno setup time and the time to swap downpipes. Basically it would turn one day into two days, and the resulting difference would be minimal
Got the Kies wifi adaptor just before xmas and just tonight flashed to stage 1 and damn, that is no joke! Probably not the smartest thing I've done since it's January in MN...
Difference is night and day no question. I just recently loaded BM3 Stage 1 93 octane tune and some fresh spark plugs.. I was quite surprised how the car opened up. My question is what is the stock boost, MPPK boost, and stage 1 93 octane boost when it comes to PSI?
I don't tune in very often, but has this been done for the N55 cars? I'm interested in getting a tune on my 335i, and would like to see the differences in the OTS stages on 93 octane.
Great video Brian, how about also you do a flash xHP transmission to see if the torque limiter increases to support over the stage 2 93 octane bm3. I don't see a very large gain in torque. Factory version can't handle the newer flash stage 2. Would love to see please.
I would recommend getting SnagIt to record the computer screen inside of windows so we don’t get that weird glare look when recording a monitor with a camera
I have a 2017 330i F30 with the B48. I have stage 2 from DME tuning it is amazing. I get 327hp compared to 252 that comes stock. I have a cold air intake, full catback exhaust, and various other small things. Also when weather is colder the car performs much better. I get an approximate 30 hp gain when temp is 50-60 degrees
@@xxwestcoastkillaxx393 really? my 430 pushed about the same horsepower on stage 1 bm3 with an mst intake and ftp charge pipe and about 80 more on stage 2 with vsrf catted downpipe
I ride 440i xdrive M performance , Come out stock with 365 hp 370 torque. Im about to go stage 1 and they promise me 430 hp 480 torque. Idk what this dude uses but his numbers are low
The numbers you quoted were at the crank. These are "rear wheel numbers". Also take into account that BMW underrates their horsepower figures significantly from the factory. That's the difference.
Really surprised how little gain there is from stage 1 to 2! I got 393hp from my 440i with just mppsk, downpipe and AP intake. I'm now running BM3 stage 2, but think I will get it on a dyno to check the increase
Great Video but you failed to take into consideration the safe parameters established by the less aggressive options. That said, I have a Dinan flash (not piggy back). How would that compare to bootmod? I own a 435i. Would I see a sufficient improvement to ditch Dinan?
The upgraded downpipe, especially catless, not only adds a good amount of HP when installed but increases when tuned with stage 2. In the low 400 HP range easy. Stage 2 is pointless without upgraded downpipe
@@notbless the only thing an upgraded downpipe will have is a decat or high flow cat and that is what they had, but they left the high flow on for stage 1 as well which is why it performed so well
Swear I saw a video where Kies made a new adapter that plugs right into the obd port and uses wifi/ Bluetooth so you don't have to use an ethernet cable and will work with both Apple/Android... Now I can't find it or the adopter on there website
Too bad you guys didn't cover reliability and warranty. Yes its great to tune with BM3 stage 1 and get massive gains... but for some its better to get the BMW MPPSK and keep the warranty. All tunes increase boost in some capacity, and more boost = higher chance of turbos going sooner.
No need to fool with the intercooler. The B58's use a very efficient air to water set up...unlike the prior N54/N55 engines that used and air to air. The stock intercooler doesn't start to become and issue until around 500hp or so.
I have a 2018 440i gran coupe and have decided the bootmode stage 1 but to get a similar exhaust note of the mperformance system what is the best bang for buck?
My only concern is the torque rating of the ZF8HP50 transmission. I think is rated at 500Nm or 369 lbf/ft. So do these tunes potentially risk damaging a very expensive transmission and other drivetrain components? The most BMW will give with MPPSK is 500Nm. Maybe that is for a good reason. What do you guys think?
There are various formulas used to calculate differences to the wheels of dyno numbers for RWD and AWD. But from a practical standpoint, actually racing 1/4 mile between the two, the XDrive should have better grip and beat the RWD off the line
Hi.. love your videos.. I have a BMW F11 535d. I got it tuned op from 299hk to 396hk. but short time after the head bearing got broken and i had to buy a new motor. I dont know if its because the car got tuned it broke or if it just would happen anyway.. I really want to get it tuned again but i dont know if its a good idea if it is gonna happen again. would the bearing brake anyway or is it because of the tune up? Best greatings from Denmark
Hi I need some help please 2021 M340i Hi I am experiencing a grey smoke after I took off my jb4 like 6 months ago I notice when I am at a steady RPM on the street and when coming to a stop sign it usually shuts off because of the start on and off option when I take off that’s when I throws grey smoke. But when I am in the FWY or pulling hard no smoke of any kind runs good pulls good just that smoke . Yes I have a DP cattles I have a MST. Intake And a charge pipe I just don’t know why is it throwing smoke.? Anyone might know ?
I have G20 M340i and just flash stage 1 bootmod3 with just 1 mod air intake. Are we saying if i do high flow cat and flash stage 1 still better than stage 2?
Would love to see this with MHD side by side comparison.
I have it on my 535i stage 2+ with catless downpipe and Upgraded intercooler. On the Dyno he have only 337 HP and 402 NM. Could be the Turbo that is not giving more boost.
@@celilturkmen9250 Or that its an n55 car and in this video its a B58. Compare apples to apples bud
@@celilturkmen9250 N56 usually has ca 50hp less than B58
I did and BM3 felt stronger everywhere on latesT OTS maps
BINGO!!!
Stage 1 introduced significant amount of turbo lag on my m240i, which is bad for track use. Stage 2 reduced the turbo lag by quite a lot with a highflow DP. Even without a big bump of peak torque/horsepower over stage 1, the smoothness is absolutely more desired on the track.
are u on a OTS? or piggybank?
Cool . Now ....
Stage 2 +
Pure turbos ots
MHD OTS ... I've heard from plenty of users that the MHD ots out performs the boot mode ots. 🤔🤔
It does i went from BM3 Pure map to MHD, BM3 ranat 19PSI with full supportingmods MHD does 21.9
Some run more boost some run more timing. BM3 to me does it better from tuning perspective. On BM3 I have lower intake temps and car just runs stronger and more consistently.
Brian.. we hear all over about upgrades and increases in HP. How about and in depth video on the issues you can run into. What are some of the negatives to modding??
They’ve answered this question a gazillion times already
There's none really if you do everyhing correctly. All of the OTS maps are relatively safe and run within BMW's stock internals just fine. All you have to do is cut your intervals in half or thirds for when you do maintenance oil changes severy 3.5k, spark plugs 25k, etc. thats the only negatives.
I have a BMW 430i with the B48 engine. Stage 2 bootmod3 93 Oct with a downpipe, man it rocks!!
same, the difference from the weak stock tune is crazy. which downpipe did you go with?
@@NotSlicc just a cheap one from RM Motors
Would be great if you could measure 100-200km/h between the stages
I think the MPPK map you used was the one included in the BM3 map pack correct? I think that is the old version that mimics N55 MPPK HP. The BMW factory MPP(S)K for B58 with the included exhaust makes closer to stage 1. You should retest with a real MPPSK car.
I have the MPPSK on my 2018 F32 440i Xdrive. The pops and bangs is awsome that it makes.
Can you get the MPPSK on later cars in US? Here in Sweden (or the whole EU) some regulations have done so they dont sell it anymore.
My m140i championship edition has MPPSK from stock and it makes 375hp and 580Nm. It matches up to m140’s using bm3 st.1 with decats and air intakes.
@@HenkeEdge Yes, you can still get MPPSK for 16-18 cars in the US. The pops and bangs are original loud version, opposed to the EU updated version that has been toned down.
I get 375hp 400lb torque on my 2018 440i mppsk. It sounds awesome too
I also bet the car was still learning the tunes which is why every second run had higher numbers than the first. I bet the stage 2 tune will read higher after being on the car for a week or two.
To use the stage 2 tune you really need to swap in a HPFP upgrade, the tune is the programming but you can't skimp on the hardware. If you only have the downpipe upgrade stick with stage 1, a HPFP makes a notable difference, at that point flash the stage 2 and you'll really be glad you did.
Stage 2 ans 2+ are different maps. Downpipe is for stage 2, Hpfp is stage 2.5 or 2+, Turbo upgrade is stage 3, tune only is stage 1.
And what about just a hpfp and a tune? Do you know if there is a map in bm3 for that? I would prefer to keep my downpipe stock..
@@MuhammedAli-tx7lh its not advisable to upgrade hpfp without highflow or catless downpipe because of the risk of running rich.
With the MPPSK package (by BMW) you also get:
1. full OEM warranty
2. this amazing MPPSK exhaust system (not available in aftermarket)
3. higher resale value
lol
lol
Don't know why the keks below are laughing, bit you are 100% right.
The sport cat already adds ca 15hp and 20Nm with the stock map
Would love to see a series on the 2L variant though.
Great results. BM3 is the most amazing tuning platform today. OTS maps are solid! But so many other reasons it just obliterates everything in its way. BM3 FTW!
That’s because you never had MHD , MHD is more aggressive I had both.
VERY interesting video. I have an M235i and just bought BM3 with one map that I have not picked yet. I've already installed a Wagner intercooler and a Evolution Racewerks charge pipe. I have a Fabspeed 200 cell catted downpipe on order and have been trying to decide to stick with stage 1 or go to stage 2. I like the torque curve of the stage 1 for the street and this video finally answered the question. I'm sticking with Stage 1. Thanks guys!
I would still go stage 2 f22 fam 👌
You should spend the 50$ and get all the tunes
I didn’t stage 2 on my m2 and it’s a big difference over stock..got video on my channel too bud
You should be getting much more HP from the MPPSK, also there’s an S in there because it comes with an exhaust (S-for Sound which is honestly the best sounding exhaust for these cars and has a full muffler bypass so straight piped from the downpipe back when in sport and quite like stock in comfort) unlike the MPPK on the N55.
MPPSK usually is about a 35-40 whp increase. I think more runs as the car adjusts would have been better.
So what's the point of stage 2, if.stage 1 gives the 'same' power? In reality when tuners tell you , that u need a catless downpipe for stage 2. It's basically the catless downpipe giving the power not the stage 2 tune itself??
Hi Brian, would love to see a dyno run with the stage 1 HPFP or someone looking to increase more power the stage 2 HPFP Dorch. This flash would be the stage 2+. Next video please ;)
This is one a this,my recomendand’’Stage 1 is insane enough for torque.’’
Please do n20 test. I planning to do stage 2. Now I’m running catless straight pipe.
Now dyno runs with the g20 M340 with the gen 2 B58 please! Awesome video btw! 🙏🏼
with the addition of the new supra!!
Any way you can do this with an n55 engine?
Yeah tune it with bootmod3
Yep
Awesome video guys. Would love to see stage 2+ next!
For sure like to see that. Would be cool if they would show the stg 2+ ethanol options too. I'm running 340i stg 2+ E50 and it feels stout.
Great stuff Kies, was going to do this sort of video on video on my n55 but you’ve got there first, next up b58 Stage2+ please 😆
You should make the vid
for proper results stage 1 should be done with stock downpipes and stage 2 with decat downpipes...
I agree but it’s just not practical to do because of the dyno setup time and the time to swap downpipes. Basically it would turn one day into two days, and the resulting difference would be minimal
Soooo was the stage 2 dyno'ed without the HF downpipe? Then how can "he" go by the dyno results ? Technically he didn't do a stage 2 pull.
I just wanna see a f30 n20 on the dyno 😭😭
Can You Do N55 next
Got the Kies wifi adaptor just before xmas and just tonight flashed to stage 1 and damn, that is no joke! Probably not the smartest thing I've done since it's January in MN...
Difference is night and day no question. I just recently loaded BM3 Stage 1 93 octane tune and some fresh spark plugs.. I was quite surprised how the car opened up. My question is what is the stock boost, MPPK boost, and stage 1 93 octane boost when it comes to PSI?
Super curious, what increase in HP did you see after uploading your 93 Oct stage 1?
Can you do MHD as well??
BM3 > MHD
I don't tune in very often, but has this been done for the N55 cars? I'm interested in getting a tune on my 335i, and would like to see the differences in the OTS stages on 93 octane.
My f30 felt the same on stage 1 as it did on stage 2 so I keep it on stage1 93 map.
Really? I think Brian should have done a stage 1 Dyno without the DP
So a catless stage 2 340i is maybe right around 420whp? Give or take 5hp
THATS WHAT WE WANT THANK YOU SIR!!!
Great video Brian, how about also you do a flash xHP transmission to see if the torque limiter increases to support over the stage 2 93 octane bm3. I don't see a very large gain in torque. Factory version can't handle the newer flash stage 2. Would love to see please.
I lost power with a Downpipe with stage 2
put stock one back on loaded bm3 stage 1 93/E30 gained over +50hptq Catless
Your videos get more and more interesting. Keep it up!
Pld do it for the b46/b48 engine aswell for the 330i pls
Please the Same Test whit the MHD.
BM3 maps are stronger and runs cooler
N55 please :)
Finally, I’ve been waiting for this !
interesting figures on stage 1 & 2
Love BM3
I would recommend getting SnagIt to record the computer screen inside of windows so we don’t get that weird glare look when recording a monitor with a camera
Please do one for the B48 engine!!!
I have a 2017 330i F30 with the B48. I have stage 2 from DME tuning it is amazing. I get 327hp compared to 252 that comes stock. I have a cold air intake, full catback exhaust, and various other small things. Also when weather is colder the car performs much better. I get an approximate 30 hp gain when temp is 50-60 degrees
@@xxwestcoastkillaxx393 really? my 430 pushed about the same horsepower on stage 1 bm3 with an mst intake and ftp charge pipe and about 80 more on stage 2 with vsrf catted downpipe
I ride 440i xdrive M performance , Come out stock with 365 hp 370 torque. Im about to go stage 1 and they promise me 430 hp 480 torque. Idk what this dude uses but his numbers are low
The numbers you quoted were at the crank. These are "rear wheel numbers". Also take into account that BMW underrates their horsepower figures significantly from the factory. That's the difference.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. All questions I had answered.
BM3 Stage 2 93 is a significant increase over stage 1 for me. Torque comes on faster and stays longer on my f36 AWD. Can't go wrong with any BM3.
Can you do this with the N55 please
Really surprised how little gain there is from stage 1 to 2! I got 393hp from my 440i with just mppsk, downpipe and AP intake. I'm now running BM3 stage 2, but think I will get it on a dyno to check the increase
You ever dyno the BM Stage 2?
Why don’t you guys run catless DP?
What's the deal for the first gen non-TU B58? Do the various tunes bring it up to speed with the TU or is it at a permanent handicap?
The 500$ tu pump minimum is required for stage 2 plus map
Did they use catless or highflow catted downpipe for stage 2 or is it still tested with stock downpipe?
Stage 2 with catted DP is the same as stage 1 , you need catless for stage 2 to get full potential otherwise it’s useless
Great Video but you failed to take into consideration the safe parameters established by the less aggressive options. That said, I have a Dinan flash (not piggy back). How would that compare to bootmod? I own a 435i. Would I see a sufficient improvement to ditch Dinan?
yes I had dinan piggyback and flash and bm3 bm3 definitely the way to go.
Let the 340 cool down for a few hours, and re run stage 2 pls. :)
The upgraded downpipe, especially catless, not only adds a good amount of HP when installed but increases when tuned with stage 2. In the low 400 HP range easy. Stage 2 is pointless without upgraded downpipe
@@notbless the only thing an upgraded downpipe will have is a decat or high flow cat and that is what they had, but they left the high flow on for stage 1 as well which is why it performed so well
MHD on N55 - please!!
Swear I saw a video where Kies made a new adapter that plugs right into the obd port and uses wifi/ Bluetooth so you don't have to use an ethernet cable and will work with both Apple/Android... Now I can't find it or the adopter on there website
Why dont yall run catless? Doesn’t catless increase power vs catted?
3 letters... EPA
Would custom tune worth it over ots ?
Depends on what mods you’re looking to support it with! Reach out to our guys at INFO@KIES.COM for info on what’s best for your specific application!
Can you guys do this for the BMW G20 330i?
This should also work for the m240i
And M140i ;)
How about bm3 stg1 with after market downpipe?? Please help me answer. Thank you
That would be stage 2 for a B58. No intercooler needed.
The video we have all be waiting for..
Is stage 2 less because you weren’t catless maybe??
Too bad you guys didn't cover reliability and warranty. Yes its great to tune with BM3 stage 1 and get massive gains... but for some its better to get the BMW MPPSK and keep the warranty. All tunes increase boost in some capacity, and more boost = higher chance of turbos going sooner.
No you won't.
Do you guys do anything with the Mini Cooper S? It does share the same motor as some BMW models, as it relates to tunes?
How does stage 1 affect fuel efficiency? And can it pass an emissions test?
Does this work on the 2021 G20 M340xi?
You gotta do a REAL stage 1 vs stage 2 comparison where you actually change the DP and IC
No need to fool with the intercooler. The B58's use a very efficient air to water set up...unlike the prior N54/N55 engines that used and air to air. The stock intercooler doesn't start to become and issue until around 500hp or so.
Is this an Xdrive or RWD vehicle?
Would love to see this on N20/N26 cars
I have a 2018 440i gran coupe and have decided the bootmode stage 1 but to get a similar exhaust note of the mperformance system what is the best bang for buck?
Great. Thanks for posting 👍
My only concern is the torque rating of the ZF8HP50 transmission. I think is rated at 500Nm or 369 lbf/ft. So do these tunes potentially risk damaging a very expensive transmission and other drivetrain components? The most BMW will give with MPPSK is 500Nm. Maybe that is for a good reason. What do you guys think?
People are constantly driving without problems in the 600-700nm range. I'm following since years the German as well as the American b58 groups.
I think like their horsepower figures, BMW seriously underrates the ZF transmissions torque holding capability as well.
Can I install bootmod3 on my 2022 m340i? Or I need to unlock computer first?
How much extra WHP/WTQ can I expect in a RWD 340i with a Stage 1 tune vs a stage 1 X-drive 340i?
There are various formulas used to calculate differences to the wheels of dyno numbers for RWD and AWD. But from a practical standpoint, actually racing 1/4 mile between the two, the XDrive should have better grip and beat the RWD off the line
im a little late but ive heard its a 15% decrease from crank for rwds and somewhere near 20% for awds so give yourself maybe 5% more whp
Nice vid, ive seen people get 425+hp on stage 2 93 map w catless dp though
Can the stock clutch handle the Stage 1 power numbers and how does X-Drive effect what can be applied to the car? Great video!
With all that math? BM3 Stage 1! Thank You,
Hi.. love your videos.. I have a BMW F11 535d. I got it tuned op from 299hk to 396hk. but short time after the head bearing got broken and i had to buy a new motor. I dont know if its because the car got tuned it broke or if it just would happen anyway.. I really want to get it tuned again but i dont know if its a good idea if it is gonna happen again.
would the bearing brake anyway or is it because of the tune up?
Best greatings from Denmark
My N20 have blow the turbo. Can you make for our engine 328i?
When transmission tune for the hybrid variant? 330e?
Wonder what’s the stage 1 numbers on the m340i
Would be cool to compare all tuning platforms like mgflasher mhd and bootmod, i think thats the hardest part about tuning your car..
BM3 > MHD > MG, bar none
preciate the video but i thought there would also include stage 2+
You should re do this with a supra, gen2 B58 has bigger turbo and slightly better cooling
Also a lsd
How does this compare to a JB4? Is this a lot different?
Great content once again👍 any chance you do the same with the new update 2.2, it feels very aggressive😱
Hi I need some help please
2021 M340i
Hi I am experiencing a grey smoke after I took off my jb4 like 6 months ago I notice when I am at a steady RPM on the street and when coming to a stop sign it usually shuts off because of the start on and off option when I take off that’s when I throws grey smoke. But when I am in the FWY or pulling hard no smoke of any kind runs good pulls good just that smoke .
Yes I have a DP cattles
I have a MST. Intake
And a charge pipe
I just don’t know why is it throwing smoke.?
Anyone might know ?
Can you please do this for the N20?!
Do this for race fuel different turbo set ups how much is the mppk 🤣🤣🤣
What.is the crank hp difference to the wheel?
Is his transmission flashed? Doesn't seem like it.
Can you do this test with a 335i please?
Great video
can you make a bootmod for the 390 335
is this a regular 340i or the m model?
I have G20 M340i and just flash stage 1 bootmod3 with just 1 mod air intake. Are we saying if i do high flow cat and flash stage 1 still better than stage 2?
Stage 1 will never be better than stage 2…
What would e50 tune add?