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I'm not an elitist. I think they should all just chill out, sit down, shut the hell up and enjoy the music they enjoy while others enjoy what they enjoy. At the end of the day, most of them don't make the music, they're not in bands, they wouldn't know what to do if they WERE in a band, and wouldn't know how to write a song if they took a tutorial with the song dictated to them. So ... just shut up. LOL! Good video!
Kings X. Super heavy drop tunings, well written songs, killer instrumentalists. Why aren't these guys more well known ? They are all excellent singers and most of their songs have complex 3 part vocal harmonies that they pull off effortlessly live. Metal purists hear the soulful lead vocals and beautiful vocal harmonies and conclude that that's not " heavy. " What no cookie monster vocals.....these guys can't be heavy.....they can actually sing. Sad but true.
Hair metal gets a lot of hate for being all about fashion, girls, love, partying, booze, and drugs. Even though, the music is fun and heavy and some bands like Skid Row write songs about different topics, the elitists (like Metallica ironically) bash them for not being heavy enough.
@@vigoopti5143 How many drugs does one have to be on to unironically say the words "Gojira sucks"? I swear nothing like a video about metal elitists to bring the metal elitists out of the woodwork.
I can’t stand elitism. If I listened to those idiots, I would’ve never discovered many of the bands I love. I love how elitists hate gimmicks and themes, but ignore how many black metal bands wear corpse paint.
I used to listen to elitists all the time when I was younger and I regret it cause so many great bands slipped by all cause one person said “oh they suck”. Listen to everything and if you tap your foot than it’s good if you bang your head than it rocks. experience everything first hand. Never live vicariously.
How funny. Babymetal has collaborated with Dragonforce, Sabaton, and Bring me the Horizon. Kingslayer is still one of the best songs of 2020. And Babymetal has opened for Metallica. That's like half your list tied up with those two girls. If they're metal enough for Rob Halford and Corey Taylor, who am I to argue?
@Atoms I luv slipknot and same maybe I'm just biased bc I like them but they get unnecessary hate, the make good music and people like what people like, like bro
@Atoms I think they get hate mostly bc of their online fandom. I know Slipknot fans irl and none of them are as childish. It's also that it's their target demographic, like with the whole "you don't understand me" teenage type of lyrics.
I recommended Ghost to this couple a few weeks ago because they like metal and they actually vibe with the whole satanic symbology stuff and one of them told me "that band is for posers only, they pretend to be satanic but they aren't actually it" and I was astounded because not only they rank up bands accordingly to how "satanic" they were irl but also they recommended me a real satanic band: Slayer. I'm still flabbergasted to this day. I swear I don't understand metalheads at all and I've been listening to metal since I was 10.
Hahaha Tobias Forge literally said that he ran "headfirst into the arms of the devil" early on in his life (this doesn't mean he's a Satanist, but it does mean that he loves the idea of the devil at least). Meanwhile, Tom Araya from Slayer is an actual Christian. You said it best: "I swear I don't understand metalheads."
I listen to a wide variety of rock. From something super soft to something super heavy, hell I'm the one person that'll sit here and tell you that I love Nickelback haha but personally I didn't get into ghost because of their sound and the satanic stuff. The sound makes me think of the 80s for some reason lol it just wasn't my thing. I'm not gonna hate on somebody for liking it though🤷
“pretend to be satanic” like what did they expect?? lmao the mockery is what makes it fun. 😭 the fact that some people try so hard to be edgy/satanic or whatever is what's really cringe. 💀
I discovered Sabaton about a year ago while attending a Judas Priest concert since they were the opener. I had never heard of them and said to my buddy, "Sabaton? Huh...must be some Sabbath tribute band". Thats when the curtains opened up, the drum set sat upon a tank (which the turret gun shot fireworks) BADASS. Then the music came on, add in Pyrotechnics and performance, I entered having never heard of them, and left with a T shirt.
One of the best bands ever. It got me into metal! It's a nice entry band and their music is just incredible. My favorite band. I have heard and LOVE almost ALL their songs.
I discovered them when a Friend of mine picked me up before swinging into our music shop and picking up his new CDs before we headed to our GM's house to play Rifts and he threw on Art of War, we hit shuffle and 40:1 came on first. And we were like a half hour late cause we got stoned jamming out to it >.
@@crackjointgomez Could be haha! As long as you understand why others do it's totally fine! I too could never get into Metallica's music in spite of trying, though I love Megadeth to death!
Exactly, there is a difference between not liking a band and hating it. There are some bands on this list, I don't like. My response? I don't buy their albums and listen to the bands I like. I can't understand, why I should tell others, why the bands they like are bad.
And a lot do just not all of them or go the otherway ie kid rock get roasted something awful when he came out as a supporter of someone and calles a sellout .....
@@wind-upboy939 well, very often, especially at youtube, that starts with fans of the band in question not only telling everyone how much superior the band's music is to everything else, but also going out of their way to tell others how much the bands they prefer suck in comparison. I know that thas has rubbed me in a very wrong way in the past. Also, I'm completely entitled to comment under a music video when I don't like it and why I don't like it. It's the fans taking exception with that that are wrong, not me. (And just to clarify, I'm not talking about intentionally shitting on something just to troll the fans, I'm talking about giving my honest opinion)
I personally love Ghost. Especially how they weave a song about the devil while making it sound like a song you would play in church. Expert levels of mind games.
I had my doubts about Ghost at first but then I read the lyrics and DAMN! Probably the most straight forward audacious "satan worshipping" I've ever heard, even to the point it is hilarious. :D One of my absolute all time favorites!
I've had metal elitist tell me Black Sabbath wasn't heavy metal. The band that literally invented the genre. I've also had them tell me Alice in Chains isn't metal because they weren't fast enough. Heavy is an attitude, not the speed of the song.
Alice in Chains can totally be considered metal, i agree. And what kind of idiot says metal has to be fast?? Lot of really heavy metal has slow tempos, like doom metal that Sabbath also basically created.
I'm with you man. I'm a musician and love great music of all genres. Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and Metallica are the pioneers of heavy metal and icons of music in general. Alice In Chains and Soundgarden are psychedelic metal bands if there is such a thing. The 2 best to come out of the 90s Seattle scene. I haven't heard any original sounding metal that I like except maybe Tool, if they're even considered metal.
@@laurisaarinen1126 They landed a spot on The Monster of Rock tour and earned the admiration and respect of some of the biggest names in Thrash. Tom Araya provided vocals on Dirt. They are Metal AF!
I've been a metal fan since the early 70s and I never understood the whole elitism thing. Listen to what you like and don't listen to what you don't like...who gives a rat's ass! I have seen it give birth to multiple styles and genres. Some bands were great and some bands sucked. If someone likes a band you hate what does it matter? Never understood that mindset.
Same here. Grew up listening to Zeppelin and Sabbath in the 70s and Maiden and Metallica in the 80s. I think people get too hung up on creating strict boundaries around what defines the metal genre. Music of all genres, including metal, constantly evolves and changes. Shoot, the fact that there are dozens and dozens of sub-genres of metal indicates the futility of trying to carve the boundaries in stone. I don't know why anyone would want to do that anyway. If your definition of metal means that it has to always have these ten specific characteristics, then it's all going to eventually sound exactly the same and after a while will bore you to death.
@@VogonPoet67 Exactly!! Without growth and evolution, everything stagnates and dies. Look at what happened with the oversaturation of hair bands in the 80s. They all ended up just being clones of one another and the genre pretty much died out.
Not even just metal. Music as a whole. Who cares what you like? As long as you're not playing it at full blast from your phone on a bus, it doesn't matter. Share your music loves with friends. Don't view any of your listening habits as "guilty pleasures". Because they shouldn't be. So what if you listen to Ozzy and Aqua? Who cares if you listen to Snoop Dogg and Smile.dk? Listen to what you enjoy. I'm a big rock and metal fan. My favourite band however is cheesy synth-pop band Spray (Check out I Wonder Where The Wonder Goes for a great bit of not taking themselves seriously and just having fun). It not only isn't a guilty pleasure, it's stated proudly. Anyone who thinks they can look down on me for what I choose to listen to and enjoy is instantly not worth listening to in the first place and places themselves beneath me by their own actions. Never put people down for simply enjoying something. With the caveat that it must not harm others too. Whether it's music, TV, hobbies, books, whatever. Be happy people have something to do that's fun, and support them in being proud of that thing, even if it's not for you. That's fine. You aren't required to like everything, you just don't have to put down things others enjoy.
@@TobenVonFreiheit I agree, and there's elitism at 0:09 the "sign of the horns" was not invented by heavy metal fans. It's a religious symbol that goes back many centuries. Found everywhere from Buddhist statues in India to ancient egyptian writings
I went full metal elitist in my teen years, eventually realised all I was doing was depriving myself of the joy of.... just liking what you fucking like without shame
I felt the same. Teenage elitist but after growing up and being okay with other genres, while still loving metal, just like what you like and don't judge anyone else for what they like. (Unless it's kid Rock!... Just kidding... Sort of)
Jesus Christ. My teens were wild. Manowar... Sooo much Manowar. "Death to all false Metal" whilst all they did since 2010 was re-releasing their own albums over and over.
Hating sabaton for making songs about war is like hating pink Floyd for making songs about a depressed middle aged man. Sure its repetitive but due to the talent and dedication of the musicians makes every song unique
Noone hates Sabaton for singing about war AHAHAH, Bolt Thrower sings about war and they are the single best thing in music. Sabaton gets hate becuse its boring, run out the mill, dadrock that only cryptofacists and 13 year old """History buffs" (they play civ v and age of empires) listens to.
Head over to the sabaton mech store and I dare you to come back tell me that their "music" is anything but just the packaging to their insane amount of merchandise.
@@ZarMakoupisGeORge dude, every successful mainstream band has a crap ton of merch. Metallica, iron maiden, black Sabbath. That doesn't mean there bad. Greedy? Yes. Bad taste in music? Depends on the listener
@@ZarMakoupisGeORge literally that exact same thing could be said about Iron Maiden but they're considered one of the metal gods... think of a better reason to hate on a band than selling merchandise
I learned to be a metal snob from my Uncle. I was 10 and he was 18 and I remember driving around in his 88 Monte Carlo doing 120mph down highway 70 listening to Slayer, Morbid Angel, Cannibal Corpse, Obituary, Death, Deicide. I followed right in his foot steps and refused to listen to anything but "real metal" as my Uncle would say. I started listening to hip hop in my late teens and realized I was missing out on so much good music only listening to "real metal". Nowadays I listen to everything including classical piano and any thing that gets my receptors going. I am still a metal head primarily and I don't think that will ever change.
I got into heavier bands THROUGH bands like Iron Maiden, Ghost, and A7x. Clean vocals don't make a band bad, just like growled vocals don't make a band good. I wish more people into these genres would learn that.
@@jimit.4220 A7X is in top 5 of most talented metal bands. I honestly think they are metallica who know music theory. Once i thought m. Shadows was annoying too, but now enjoy his multi faceted singing abilites
You should try listening to Jazz and Ska metal. They're both 2 genres you wouldn't associate with metal, but they have a unique sound you won't hear in mainstream music.
Avenged Sevenfold is great, fuck all the haters. Whether or not they're "true metal" or not, their guitar work is incredible and their songs are super catchy and well structured.
Same - I loved them back when they were getting endless sh!t for being 'emo', for being pretty, for being a lil bit trashy aesthetically. Aaand then The Stage dropped and suddenly everyone's all on about how they're bastions of modern American metal when not 5 years earlier the same critics and bloggers were calling them the worst thing ever.
I’ve always loved Sabaton no matter how cheesy they may be. They’re music absolutely kicks ass and they’re story telling is unmatched, doing any subject they talk about more than justice. And for Bullet, they’re past few albums have kind of blown but boy, their self titled record from last year might be the heaviest thing they’ve ever done. The first time I heard the album opener, Parasite, I was shocked by just how much of a style and sound 180 they had done from Gravity.
When Elitists hate you, then you've made it, because 'Metal Elitist' is an oxyMORON. Metal isn't for the 'elite' but for everyone, those who can handle it anyway- no borders, no creed, no ethnicity, no gender. Just brutal face-melting music!!!
As a big Iron Maiden fan, I've noticed that elitist fans constantly say disparaging things about anything post 1995. And these days their iron is mostly directed at the fact that they tend for much longer, more progressive sounding music. Also Linkin Park was a long-standing running joke to a lot of people between the years of 2008 to 2017 when it took the tragic death of a legendary singer for people to understand that those "edgy" lyrics weren't disingenuous.
But Maiden is Maiden so they generally get a pass. I don’t care for the newest album, i only truly like 3 songs off of BOS , but when they come to town. You go? Up The Irons \m/
I remember doing HOURS of research years ago and figuring out Tobias was Ghost's singer. My buddy who was obsessed with the band thought I was crazy. Years later, he had to come to terms with the fact he knew the truth for years and so did I and everyone said I was insane. I remember finding his name for writing credits and then searching it up and went down the rabbit hole
I once had a friend complain about how elitist our university's rock society was; she found she got criticism for not dressing 'metal' even though she was into the music. It's a sad thing as I've always found the metal community to be very accepting, but then I wear ripped jeans and festival t-shirts all the time, not Topshop. Elitsists do have a tendency to gve metal a bad name. Also, how did Linkin Park, not make this list? Elitists hate Linkin Park! \m/
I've never met anyone that said LP is bad or overrated. And if I ever do, I know that anything that person says from that point on is more than likely wrong.
Elitists make everything look bad and there everywhere: gaming community, pop community, rock community, rap community, country community, film community, comic community
My son introduced me to Sabaton, because he knew I liked Metal/Hard Rock and I'm a huge history buff, back around 2016 and I've been a huge fan ever since. Sabaton is my most played playlist on Spotify, and I've learned quite a bit of history I didn't know about from listening to them, along with their TH-cam channel Saboton History. From listening to Sabaton, I've also got into Power Metal, like DragonForce, Battle Beast, Beast in Black, Dynazty, LoveBites (these girls can play), HammerFall, etc. Growing up in the 70's and 80's, I listened to primarily what is known today as Classic Rock and Hard Rock, bands like KISS, VanHalen (and VanHagar), Journey, Boston, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, Meatloaf, Rush, The Police, Genesis and such. It was Metallica's Black Album that really got me into Metal, because it was a great album and a good introduction to Metal, but Sabaton was my first introduction to Power Metal, and I found I liked the genre, along with Epic/Symphonic Metal, though Thrash Metal is still what I consider my foundation of Metal. Don't care for Dark/Black/Death Metal, or Screamo, I guess I'm too old and not angry enough for that to appeal to me, and I can't sing along to demon/cookie monster growling, hurts my throat.
The most important thing BabyMetal teached me, is to be open minded towards basically anything. Elitist are shooting themselves in the foot, and missing so many good bands it's not even funny.
If I hadn't searched up some of their songs, as well as Love Bites, the TH-cam algorithm wouldn't have recommended the band that has probably become my favorite (or at least tied for number one), and that is BAND-MAID. Baby Metal might not be my number 1 band, but (like the beattles) I'm extremely grateful to world of music they introduced me too! Side note. They're not metal; they are amazing hard-rock.
@@andrewhoffman1087 yeah, Band Maid is simply amazing :) Nowadays if I must choose, I usually listen to them instead to any other band :) Eagerly awaiting their acoustic live CD, the stream was superb.
Same experience. I was put off to start with because of the concept. Listened to them and all of them can play, really play. They're theater, they're fun, and still somehow cute but metal. It's a paradox that helps metal grow to new audiences. Who knows? Someone might start with babymetal and then move on to slipknot or slayer.
I'm in my 50's and have been a metal fan all my life. One of the things I love about the genre is the incredible diversity within it. Judging all of metal by the same yard stick is pointless. Like all art if it speaks to you, enjoy. If it doesn't don't feel you have the right to tell everyone else to feel the same way. Doing so is incredibly arrogant.
I believe Metallica was better in the 80’s, (in my own opinion) but I never really thought they sold out, some of the songs on the black album hit hard
not to mention that death magnetic and hardwired to self destruct both have some great tracks on them, its not like they aren't still writing good music in the more recent decades...
If a different band released the Black Album, it would have been heralded as a masterpiece by many of its detractors. Personally I find thrash can get quite boring, and there are bands who did it better than them anyway, so I actually think they found their definitive sound with that album. It's certainly their only album I can listen to all the way through without skipping a song anyway.
@@AshOs90 I actually think death magnetic had great songs. I like the entire album and think it only suffered from bad studio editing due to the loudness wars.
Ghost is also hated because of the court cases. I boykot any & all concerts with Ghost and urge others to do the same. Besides they are not really that good.
Metallica wrote Master of Puppets and, largely, gave birth to a generation of metalheads, so they can do no real wrong in my opinion, even if their subsequent records haven't been great. They've been around and relevant for 40 years, most people can't say that about their own miserable, useless lives....much less something they've created.
I thought BabyMetal seemed kind of interesting, then I saw them live with Avatar in 2019 and saw what the hype was about. I was blown away. What a cool and fun show. Just insane in your face energy. I ended up going and seeing them again on that same tour I enjoyed it so much. And now I’m a huge fan. I’m primarily a death metal guy, BabyMetal is one of the few bands I like with cleans. They are just too much fun.
@@davidfrischknecht8261 I was a huge avatar fan and more casual BM fan. Left a true believer and now huge BM fan. I was in a big group of avatar fans, most of who said they were probably going to leave after avatar, they all stayed till the very end and left BabyMetal fans. It’s also probably the most diverse metal show I’ve been to by a mile. Everything from young people to the standard middle aged bearded metal guys in battle vests. A pretty even mix of white, black, and asian folks as well as a lot of women. The only metal show I’ve seen more women at was The Hu. And well…. Yeah I could see why women were into them lol. BabyMetal really is a great thing for metal, and elitists need to chill and get to a show. Also probably the most intense pit I’ve ever been in.
I seen them at their 2nd or 3rd show at a fest in Japan called Loud Park. I thought it would be too Japanese for most people. I figured they would just be popular with the anime fans in the US. I was really wrong. In Japan that are loved by people into all kinds of metal. My wife loves them. I have seen them a lot.
It stems from the fact that they don't play any actual instruments, they only have heavy guitars and drums, they sing in a high pitch pop like voice, and the lyrics aren't that metal.
love it how any band trying to make some cash are called 'sell outs' despite the actual work they're churning out. Irony is that you won't have much metal going on if there's no bread in it. I've known many talented people who just hung up their guitars and went back to a day job just to pay for house, wife and children.
@@brandonkallhoff7879 I don't think anyone disagrees that garbage is garbage. At the same time when a band creates something, on purpose or not, that is also more palatable to a more main stream public it can still be good and doesn't necessarily mean a band 'sold out'. I can think of a few examples where bands just started exploring and experimenting with different influences and moved away from their older more rough sounds. This is simply to be expected as people grow and mature and still can produce high quality music that also pays the bills a bit better as a bonus.
Metal elitists: This band is fucking awesome! They are the only true metal band! Other fans: Shit yeah great band! Metal Elitists: They suck now because people like them! Metal fans who have ascended elitism: Fuck you, I like what I like and I don’t give a shit what you think.
actual metal fans don't suddenly hate a band when they become popular (name one metal 'elitist' that hates Iron Maiden or Judas Priest), it's when metal bands change their sound to appeal to a larger audience, like Metallica dropping thrash metal for a more mainstream heavy metal sound.
@@rcengineer so you expect a band that has been together since 1981 to make the same music for all those years?? That is ridiculous, PEOPLE change and go through different periods or things in their lives that affect them over years, decades even...and oh by the way Bands are made up of people :O I know, shocking. I get it, you like what you like, but there is NOTHING wrong with a band changing up their style to try something new and ..holy shit, maybe acquiring some new fans in the process!! You don't have to love all the music of every band, I don't, but I LOVE music and metal comes in different forms and THAT is the beauty of it! We are all different and like different things, and ya know...that is OK! _\m/
@@elizabethdavis9801 I don't expect them to make the same music, but I also generally expect them to not alienate their already existing fan base due to that switch. What made people like Metallica was their dirty, angry style of metal compared to most other metal bands of the time, which they did a way with in favor of a more standard heavy metal style with way more mainstream appeal. I don't mind if a metal band changes their sound, as long as they don't completely alienate their core fans.
@@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 pretty much any glam (hair) metal. These bands are not strictly metal bands. Think Def leopard, poison, motley cru. A big focus on that genre of music is image kinda like Ghost.
@@zapa47 I don’t think that’s where the lines are drawn. Metal Archives are extremely strict with their criteria for what is or not metal (gatekeepers, if you will) and Black Sabbath definitely makes the cut
@@CMProbert928 Well, Ozzy himself didn't like the term metal. He's spoke out about all the categorization that started happening. It used to just all be rock, then they came up with more sub-categories, then even more sub-categories, and so on.
Personally, I feel like I understand the hate that Babymetal gets. It has nothing to do with the fact that their women though. It has almost entirely to do with the fact that they were founded as an industry plant rather than out of a true love and appreciation for metal, much like Simple Plan, dear God Simple Plan is such an industry plant, and a really bad one at that too. Seriously it feels to me like both of these bands are around just to sell their hot topic clothing brands rather than make compelling music, at least music that's compelling to me personally. I feel that better instances of women in metal can be found in Lzzy Hale from Halestorm and Alicia Whitegluz from the Melodic Death Metal band Arch-Enemy. These two women seem to have a genuine love for the genre and that's why they're a part of it. I'm open to hear what everyone else thinks, so leave a reply. As a final reminder, this is all just my thoughts and opinions, so keep the replies civil.
"The Old Rule was "The Uglier the Band, the Heavier the Metal" " Well shit, you got 3 young japanese women with their band doing heavier metal than most "Ugly bastards" out there :,)
I love a lot of old school death metal and thrash metal but I Love BABYMETAL. it’s super creative and fresh. People don’t like the vocals because they have that “cute” aspect and the few pop elements but the lead singer Suzuka is a legit amazing singer. Their guitar players are near Yngwie malmsteen level good, and their drummer plays crazy double bass patterns and they have some really badass and catchy riffs/choruses. Some people may not like them but they are definitely metal and are very fun. Hell with everyone who thinks otherwise. They’re really humble and positive while kicking lots of ass. They’re really sweet people and it still amazes me that they were able to get in front of crowds of around 30,000 people, play long sets and put on a hell of a tiring performance at 15 years old.
@@bonescheffel7795 I love Aldious. They're the only ones I like other than Babymetal. I recently saw the videos from their 2021 performance. So much better. They were a little shaky live but now they're just fantastic. I always liked their studio tracks.
@@bonescheffel7795 just looked up Aldious due to your comment, and I just wanted to thank you for suggesting them. Aside from Babymetal, I'm not familiar with many Japanese metal bands, so this was a pleasant surprise🤘
"You know what else metal elitists hate? Women." Ouch, that hits too close to home. If I had a dollar every time a male metalhead acted sexually inappropriate towards me or told me that I was a poser because female, I'd be rich enough to pay for bands to play for me alone.
Yup. Sexism is an important element of this. Now that women are pretty commonplace in hard rock (thank you Joan Jett, Pat Benatar, and other pioneers) the troglodytes have made metal their last bastion. Some people just can't *stand* the idea of a woman being on the stage at all, let alone at the front.
Ghost is literally gaining so much popularity lately. They are bringing back metal and Im so glad about it. I saw them earlier this year in Reno and I loved every second of it. They definitely have their heavy songs too like Mummy Dust, Faith, Cirice etc.
Ghost is definitely metal. Lookat sabbath and zeppelin etc in today's standard they wouldn't be called metal more like hard rock but they aren't. Shit iron maiden is definitely metal and Bruce has an amazing voice.
I love Ghost. I think what they're doing in bringing back 70s and 80s arena rock and metal is awesome. They are just as catchy as Iron Maiden can be, who I also love, and who elitists would tear apart if they were a new band today. I just think metal elitists have no damn idea what metal is and don't really love metal as much as they love whining.
Exactly bro, if Iron Maiden hadn’t been out in the 80s and the then dropped number of the beast in 2015 they would have been mocked as poser metal. I seriously hate metal elitists. Some of the biggest cocksuckers in the world. Much like punk elitists.
Amazing vocals, comprehensible and beautiful lyrics (I heard Life Eternal at a critical time and it broke me), the best thematic band since Gorillaz or David Bowie. I have a band for each mood but Ghost is just good for everything except anger.
Isn't Disturbed pretty hated as well? I've heard them get quite a bit of flack for "not being hard enough" over the years......which is and odd thing to say giving some of the topics they've sung about...
I dont hate Disturbed. I like the music, I just dont like Davids voice. He has a powerful voice, the lyrics are usually well written, the vocal melodies are solid, I just dont like it personally. I have the same opinion about the Dave Matthews Band. Talent is talent.
I think its lumped in with the general nu-metal hate and I personally don't like Disturbed as after certain point they got REALLY preachy about their political stances in my opinion.
I have this to say, everyone is entitled to listen to what they want to listen, one of my coworkers loves Five Finger Death Punch, he talks about them all the time, I support him, I don't insult him at all, I'm always willing to learn about new bands and songs, Five Finger isn't as bad as the elitists want us to believe
I was actually surprised to see Sabaton on this list, never knew they were in the crosshairs of Metal Elitists. But considering one of the things Metal Elitists hate the most is gimmicks, I can see why they'd hate a band who's songs are based on military history.
I also think it is because of the topic sabbaton applies. Not trying to sound elitist or anything, but the bands music is mostly historical and some of the references are niche as hell compared to other power metal bands (hell their past 2 albums were about the first world war and the numerous people, fronts and equipment).
Think big factor for the hate missed here is that way Sabaton structures songs, focus on melody rather than riffs, guitars relegated to playing the harmony. Reminds some listeners more of a traditional pop stucture (eurovision like?) than a metal practice, they're not only one's to do this, but they're the biggest so get the hate.
For Bring Me the Horizon, I can attest that they were hated as far back as 2009 by the elitist crowd simply because Oli Sykes was a pretty boy and they pretty much hated all MySpace era deathcore. Suicide Silence got similar treatment to the point that people were saying they were glad Mitch Lucker died, which they also said about The Rev. Surprised Nickelback and Slipknot weren’t mentioned.
@@wheelsofmercury A rule that I live by that I think makes me a happier person is, no matter how much I hate someone, no matter what they’ve done to deserve it, I never truly wish death on anyone. I might feel that way sometimes and that’s completely okay, but I never openly express it or hold onto those feelings for very long. I cannot fathom what issues people must have to want someone to die because they think they’re cringe or whatever. Like, seriously. Especially someone you don’t even know. It’s hard enough on his family and friends as it is, but when there’s an entire crowd on people celebrating his death… yikes. The Internet can bring out some of the best in humanity, but also a lot of the worst.
@@masterknife8423 They take a break from metalcore for a few albums and people call them sellouts. Same thing happened with Linkin Park and Paramore back in the day. There’s a difference between trying something new and selling out, and calling every artist who changes their sound a sellout slows down innovation and creativity to a screeching halt.
Wow…I’m shocked with metal elitism. I loved Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Five Finger Death Punch, and Bullet For My Valentine in high school. Sabaton and DragonForce are two of my top three favorite metal bands period. Wow…just…wow.
I think "loved them in high school" is the main trigger which causes the metal elitist phenomenon. Most metal elitists are people in College/University/in their early 20s who go down the Black Metal or Death Metal rabbit hole and then slap the bands that they listened to as teenagers (and bands teenagers like now) with the back of their hand on their way down.
Ghost is such a special band to me i love everything about them it really feels like the revival of the larger than life showmanship and oh boy the bridge instrumentals on so many of their songs feel like straight up magic to me it feels so nice to listen to ill stop here cause otherwise id be gushing all day
Here's your daily reminder that "Pop" is not a dirty word; Pop riffs are popular because the human brain is actually hardwired to like those sounds and respond to them. S, Ghost is clearly doing something right if they're able to blend smoky guitar riffs, Disney Villain showsmanship, Pop feels, and Death Metal topics into something that *actually charts and still sounds good*.
I recently just got into Sabaton and as a history buff I love them and singing about amazing moments in war history. Attack of the Dead Men is probably my most favorite. FFDP will always have a place in my heart and Ghost is amazing the way they experiment with different sounds and artistic expression very refreshing. BABYMETAL I always love them they helped me get into Metal more I used to found them funny yet later appreciate what their doing.
I think people hate Ghost because they saw Tobias before they heard him and assumed the music wasn't going to sound like Cinderella with a better vocalist. I'll be honest. I thought Ghost was going to sound like a Norwegian Black Metal band but was surprised that they were a rock band.
I admit I like Ghost and thought the same thing when I was first getting into them and was caught off guard. “… I mean I like this but wasn’t what I was expecting”
The statement "There are Elitists and then there are Black Metal Elitists" is spot on! I'm a MASSIVE Black Metal fan, but damn, the online community is rife with fuckwittery
Five Finger Death Punch is literally the only one on here that I would say deserves the hate because man they’ve been scraping the bottom of the barrel since AT LEAST Got Your Six and it doesn’t seem to stop.
I started on ffdp about 3 years ago don’t forget I’m still a teen so i was testing the water with them and there new album sucked I moved to slipknot and god am I happy I did
No, that’s accurate. The first three albums were good. After that, the 2disc set was pretty okay, then…I still pay to see them live, because it’s really a fun show. But yeah, being criticized for “phoning it in”, is very fair.
My guitarist said something to me that is so true, it took me a while to stop laughing: “Metallica are simultaneously the best and the most pathetic metal band that’s ever existed”.
Surprised Cradle of Filth didn't make the list. The moment they made it into MTV in the 2000s, black metal elitists wanted to burn them at the stake. Dani Filth even admitted that CoF were never part of the black metal scene. Can't be successful without haters I guess.
Weird to see Sabaton on this list, they don't make songs to glorify war, rather they make songs to tell about the dark conflicts during the war and the acts of heroism in the battlefield
They probably get pissed on because they have become popular. I personally think they're one of the most important heavy metal bands of today and flying the flag for oldschool metal. Plus they write songs about real historical events.
I don´t hate them, I simply don´t like the work they do. Don´t like the vocals, the lack of power of their riffs, and I also think that their music doesn´t match the theme. Everyone´s entitled to their own opinion though :)
I never got how people say they glorify war, like have they never heard Price of a Mile, Angels Calling, Final Solution, Attero Dominatus, Rise of Evil, Hearts of Iron, Great War, Cliffs of Gallipoli, Fields of Verdun, Lifetime of War, Wehrmacht, End of the War to End Wars, Christmas Truce, theres probably more but thats all I can think of for now. They closest they get to glorifying war is making ballads about the brave people who fought in the conflicts like Alvin York and Audie Murphy.
I will never understand the elitist hatred for Ghost. I get the feeling that metalheads who complain about Ghost simply do not know their roots. To me, Ghost sounds like what would happen if Ozzy Osbourne or Rob Halford decided to join forces with Candlemass to make a supergroup and crank out a bunch of albums. I see no problem with this.
I think the main problem with ghost is their asthetic, you take one look at them, especially the frontman, and you think "damn, they look like a black metal band." They look like they're gonna make this dark, heavy music but they just don't. I love what ghost is doing, but their aesthetic isn't helping them much at all. I don't think a lot of people understand the black metal scene that much, but that scene, especially those who're into its second wave of development, are take themselves REALLY seriously. If your music, look, mannerisms, stage presence, fuck everything doesn't all add together to being trve kvlt, you're posers, and that's the problem with Ghost, they're taking the black metal aesthetic and playing music that heavy enough or whathaveyou to fit the aesthetic. If Ghost dressed like normal dudes on stage and didn't act like they're satan's apprentices, they'd be seen a lot more fondly in the eyes of most elitists
I knew all of these bands were subject to gatekeeping, but I got a bit surprised when I saw Sabaton. I didn’t know they were something that metal elitists would hate.
There’s nothing wrong disliking any band, we all are into different music, as well as bands. However if the so called elitists would support their favorite acts as much as they brag about what they do not like, maybe it would have been better.
Cool list. I think a band that definitely needs to be featured on a possible Part 2 is Deafheaven. They've literally faced ridiculously vitriolic backlash from trve kvlt black metal elitists just because of them doing blackgaze and having a pink album cover. ...and the second they want to disassociate black metal from their music entirely, they face backlash too, lmao. Mind you, I think there are valid reasons to criticize Deafheaven's music, but the more I read into the hate they get on the average, the less I feel like adding to the pile.
Deafheaven would be my suggestion as well. Sub-genre purism is it’s own subset of elitism… but Deafheaven certainly qualifies here. I guess it’s just the success that Deafheaven has had with the post-black/blackgaze sound where they’ll jump on Deafheaven’s case but leave bands like Alcest alone or completely ignore that groups like Agalloch pioneered the sound and are still revered.
I like Metallica, but I hate all the other bands on this list so I guess that makes me an elitist haha however, I would say that I absolutely do not understand why Deafheaven are so hated. I honestly think that if they dressed like Amon Amarth but their music was exactly the same as it is in reality, then half the people who claim to hate them now, wouldn’t. Why should blast beats and screaming only be for people who worship Satan and/or dress a certain way. I really like most of Deafheaven’s music and they’re combining ideas no one else combined in quite the same way before, so for that they should be applauded. I remember reading a thing a while ago saying Deafheaven were “dumbing down” metal to appeal to indie audiences, but that would imply that those audiences were always separate in the first place, which they were SO not. I grew up loving Bathory as much as My Bloody Valentine, so to hear a band that was influenced by both was pretty sweet for me. Anyway rant over 🤘
I went to see them play last month and they fucking ripped that venue apart! Then I went and got a tattoo of one of my favorite lyrics of theirs. Needless to say, fuck the haters, they're doing more for metal/rock that most other bands could only dream of.
With how much i love dragonforce most of the people in the U.S have probably never been to an actual show and i can tell you without a doubt, the amount of work they put in is impressive
I doubt metal “elitism” is responsible for metals decline in popularity. If anything it’s picking up steam again anyway. There’s tons of new bands and high school kids at shows
Metallica got shat on by the tonne in the same way for releasing Load and Reload. Even I took a few potshots at them for those albums but after years of learning more about rock and metal, I love those albums and Metallica did great by experimenting. Bands must evolve and take their music in different directions.
Metal isnt about giving in to the hate its just usually duelled by it trauma and suffering in life ie so far away was a reqiuem for the rev falling away from me and down with the sickness are about abuse last resort about suicide
I was an elitist when I was 20-something and literally has nothing else going for me. I then got a life and the started to support everyone’s interest in metal regardless of how mainstream or obscure the bands they liked were.
Soon as I saw the title, I instantly thought of Avenged Sevenfold. Maybe I'm biased since I've loved them since I first heard the self-titled album and were my gateway into metal, but I don't understand the hate. Sure, HTTK wasn't great, but there's far worse out there. And I can't think of any instance where they've been problematic. Maybe their little feud with Dillinger Escape Plan??? Idk. Elitists suck, like what you like.
You really nailed this whole thing. LIKE WHAT YOU LIKE (and I'll add) LEAVE THE REST ALONE. I like what I like. I really don't care what other people think of the bands, except that it's probably jealous sabotage. And don't go out of your way to trash the legacy bands. They built the foundation for future bands to expand on. I have no use for rabid fans of any band. One of the reasons I love metal is the variety. AND THE DEPTH. SO MANY BANDS. So many STYLES. Much of the elitists BS is simply selling NFTs--meaningless tags.
@@RockedNet why do soo many metal bands these days get hate including older content when 9/11 happened am not making up this either my former best friend blamed both marilyn manson and slipknot for 9/11 no joke either then he heard it was osama bin laden i told him it was bin laden then he said no it was slipknot and marilyn manson my former best friend never watched bowling for columbine he holds a serious gruge against marilyn manson and he beileves it to be true rumor about marilyn manson which is proven to be not true yet he still beileves its true
@@thereturnofdarthcaedus metal and rap do if you listen to say i am by eminem he even says in the song middle america now its a tragedy than they go blame marilyn and heroine but where were the parents at
Sabaton is the only one on this list that I have both heard of, and listened to entire albums of, and was shocked about. FFDP I love, but am not surprised to see them. Most of the other bands what I've heard from them, are absolutely fantastic!
Never cared that metal elitist hate Metallica. Or FFDP. Both got me through some really hard times. And the more they complain, the louder I'll play both bands.
I love everything about Ghost, but I still wouldn't call them metal. But that's okay. Dimmu Borgir has gone through many changes over the years but they are still one of my favorites of all time (Eonian is a musical masterpiece).
I'm an old metal head (52) and Dimmu Borgir is one of my all time favorites. I especially love their music with Mustis. I used to be a metal snob in my younger years but anymore, I'll listen to anything if it's good. I've really been digging on Heilung lately.
@@zvendiearschficker6664 I dont know what to call Ghost music and I dont care either. Its fantastc music not to mention their concerts. I have seen most of the Epic metal and hard-rock bands. No other band has so totally blown me away.
When Dimmu signed with metal blade their music became super polished and well produced and I personally really like it. Black metal snobs think it should sound like it was recorded on an Edison phonograph or it's selling out.
Do you mean Nuclear Blast? Or, did Dimmu recently sign to Metal Blade? I haven't listened to them since In Sorte Diaboli, since I didn't care for the last few albums. However, everything up to In Sorte was great! Skål! - Wulf
Well given that ultra-raw production has been part of black metal since its inception, and given that most black metal sounds better with raw production versus super polished production, then yes, a black metal band that switches to glossy production is selling out.
Some of the hate might come from the fact that for a short period of time the band was considered as a nazi band, due of some problems they face with the politicians of an european country while they were on tour. Nowadays the Sabaton are nazis phrase is used as a common joke between metal circles.
Sabaton know how to put on a show. They have amazing pyrotechnics, a tank/drum set that shoots more pyrotechnics, a full gasmask and green smoke costume for Attack or the dead men and a Red Baron Organ with a propeller. The opening song to live shows is very energetic and they are very committed to the War/history theme
It is kinda interesting that there is no Nightwish in the list. I listen to a lot of metal, niche to mainstream, whatever I like. And Nightwish is consistently the band where other metal fans are surprised that somebody wo also likes "real metal bands" would also enjoy a lot of the stuff Nightwish does. When mentioning I was at one of their concerts with my girlfriend it is always assumed I just went there because of her, which says a lot and is not true at all.
It's strange how Epica doesn't get the hate Nightwish does, especially considering Epica literally started because Simone Simons idolized Tarja Turunen in her teens.
Really? I know a lot of metalheads who love Nightwish & are also fans of Tarja Tururne & Anette Olson. When I saw Tarja Live a few years ago at El Rey Theater in LA I saw a few thrasher metalhead guys at the concert & no they didn't go with their girlfriends. I will say this though two of them were pretty drunk & rude. And they screamed pretty rude pervy comments to Tarja while she performed. She even looked a bit uncomfortable & one of her guitarists looked upset because they also made a rude comment about him.
Reminds me of that one dude i met at a big festival. He was easily the most elitist shithead i've ever met. He was in the Tent-Camp right next to us and had a Jacket that was so full of Band patches there was not a piece of fabric left visible. When we sat down with them and drank some beer and talked about the upcoming bands he unironically stated: "Nah i'm not gonna go to the Slayer Gig, they are way too commercial". And elaborated on how he only listens to small almost unknown bands and would stop listening to bands if they became successful. Dude was the worst Hipster i've ever met.
Slayer too commercial? Ahahahahah. Reminds me of a buddy from high school back in the mid 90s who was a huge Korn fan when they only had 1 album out and got a lot of people to check them out. Well, everyone he mentioned them too lived what they heard and he then started saying he didn't like them anymore due to knowing more people that knew and liked them so he said he didn't like sell outs. I mean dude, he was the one p=omoting them yet a few people started to listen then he stopped. What an idiot.
I enjoy Ghost. Their music has gotten lighter and catchier over the years, which probably makes elitists even more upset. Honestly, people should stop caring whether or not a band or artist qualifies for a certain genre and worry more about whether or not they like the music. I don't care whether or not Ghost is metal, I just enjoy listening to them. If I didn't enjoy listening to them, I simply wouldn't. No need to bitch about it.
Gotta say I was thoroughly surprised to see Sabaton on this list... I mean, they are my favorite band so I definitely have a bias, but I've never heard anyone say anything negative about them. I've seen them live last month and it was the greatest night of my life. The amount of energy they have is unbelievable, they're all super nice to their fans and they're just...well, perfect (in my humble opinion at least ;) ). Plus, their lyrics are historically accurate and their songs really do help with learning history... But of course, that's just my opinion. Edit: I should probably mention that not all of their songs are about wars and other historical events and people. Their 2007 album "Metalizer" doesn't include a single song about war. They even have a song about LOTR on that album ffs...
I've always disliked when bands were referred to as "sellouts" because it's literally being upset that a band you like gets success, a broader fanbase, a better record deal, etc. If you're upset that a band you like does well, you're a miserable ass that wants anything you try to associate with to wallow in misery along with you.
As much as I agree with u because I used that same “sellout “ logic in younger years. I’ve evolved to just realize that I just quit appreciating what they turned into since I started liking them for a specific reason. Most immediate example that comes to my preferences is Slipknot. Still respect them, still talented as fuck, but absolutely fell in love with the first 2 albums. After that, it seemed like they turned into Stone Sour
@@bospurgeon1039 There's nothing wrong with not liking their more recent stuff. Just like there's nothing wrong with Slipknot slowly changing their music over time to change with how they've changed as individuals. I have nothing against no longer enjoying what a band does, but I am against people trying to put them down because they don't like them anymore. Just let them be and go enjoy something else. There's tons of bands with little notoriety that absolutely rock in the best ways possible that are fun to discover. I remember when Jinjer came out with Pisces and a bunch of reaction channels reacted to them. I'd been listening to them for a few years at that point was it felt good to see them hit that mountain of success. I don't think they're sellouts for it. They'd been putting in hard work for many years and finally got the payoff they deserved.
@@chasm9557 I agree 100%. It was easy to call Metallica sellouts after the Black album, and I still struggle with it cuz they were my first love in thrash, but then it wasn’t thrashy all of a sudden. I’m probably one of a handful of people who approached St Anger as a song, but not the album. The lyrics hit me differently. Their newer stuff seems to lean retro, but I guess it was just a fleeting moment in time
@@bospurgeon1039 No dude just no. I respect your opinion but they sound nothing like Stone Sour. Being more melodic doesn't mean they sound like Stone Sour
Pretty much every nu-metal band was getting tons of hate from metal elitists in the late-90’s/early-00’s (often being derisively called “mallcore,” because they couldn’t handle the genre being given the “metal” label). Even now-highly-regarded bands like Slipknot and Deftones were HATED by the metal gatekeepers at the time (“Go listen to Iced Earth if you want REAL metal!!!!!!”). Also, Megadeth, In Flames and even Slayer have gotten hate from metal elitists for going in a more mainstream direction at some point in their careers.
In Flames... My husband, his friends and his brother have all listened to and loved In Flames for a long time. What I had heard of them I wasn't all that fond of; then I heard them, live, when I had a full-blown migraine attack - worst combo ever. After that I refused to listen to them. A couple of years later my husband played a great song that I couldn't get out of my head. It was In Flames - Deliver Us. So great. But oh boy did some people really hate that whole album. One would think they were used to the band switching up their genre every now and then, but nope. Lots of people loved it, but some elitists truly hated it. Accused the band of going mainstream, of course. It was all so ridiculous.
I think the problem is the punk elitists killed punk and now those kind of people came over to metal. I was going to say that they're like the woke assholes who just go around ruining everything but they are literally the same people.
I was around for the release of South of Heaven and it caused a shit storm at the time. ANYTHING following Reign in Blood was going to be scrutinized to hell and back but SoH just went and said, "Fuck it." Now, it is revered ALMOST as much as Reign and completely on par (or slightly above) with Seasons.
I saw Dragonforce live in 2008. And I can confirm they definitely play their own instruments. Because they sounded awful lol. However, they have gotten SO MUCH BETTER live since.
Yeah, they got better techs, quit playing so drunk and have a singer that doesn't smoke heavily. Success from being more well known after Guitar Hero killed their rep but.... early shitty TH-cam videos of only catching the worst of the worst didn't help either
I remember my friends seeing them live around that time (I think maybe a year or two later) and thinking they were bad too. It's no wonder the "computer music" rumors took hold.
Their playing has definitely improved, I just say them live not too long ago and they were fucking great, high energy crowd too. The thing is that they don't take themselves very seriously either, which makes it really hard for the elitists to really get to them. How are you gonna sit there and seethe over a band that is completely aware of and onboard with their meme status?
GHOST is one of the most entertaining bands I have ever seen. Never been a purist. Listen to what I like. Got dragged to a Prince concert one time. Glad I went. He rocked.
I love most of these bands. In fact, I'm going to a Ghost concert tonight, and I know I'll have a great time. I don't understand the elitists' stance. Who died and made them the gatekeepers of metal? I even got called out for 'not being metal' because I was drinking wine at a metal festival instead of beer. I don't like beer, but I like metal. Who decides those things are mutually exclusive? Just let people enjoy the things they enjoy, you sour, angry people.
Personally I love metallica. Every song, album, era. Doesn't matter. The music isn't just about the sound, it's about the message. The meaning. The emotion.
It felt kind of weird seeing Dimmu Borgir on that list. I absolutely remember back in 2003 them being a group that was hated from both sides of the spectrum. Fans of more “mainstream” metal at the time thought they were just some garbage band you’d find one copy of their cd at the local music store. Fans of more extreme or underground metal thought they were some garbage band selling “extreme” to the suburban mall kids. 5FDP and BFMV I never cared for, but they don’t deserve to be hated for what they aren’t. Being unoriginal/formulaic or chasing trends aren’t necessarily bad things. Change is inevitable, but sometimes (paradoxically) holding on to the way you are or how you do things really is the best way to go.
I like them. I want them to put me in the choir and play with an orchestra. I'd also like to be in sleep token's choir too. I just want an excuse to wear cloaks and paint my face
the original Black Metal purists really hate the second wave like Dimmu Borgir Cradle of Filth and Satyricon for some reason if you like Mayhem Bathory Venom and Burzum your supposed to hate them
Until recently I had no idea metal heads hate Ghost. I've been listening to metal for over 30 years and love me some Ghost! And not metal? Apparently people don't realize metal's history. Metal didn't begin in the 80s people!
This was a good list and definitely needs a part 2. A few bands that I've heard cop flack from metal elitists; Disturbed for basically being a glorified cover band even though they have plenty of good material of their own. Alestorm for being a gimmicky band with pirate metal. Nickelback for whatever reason they have (though technically I think they're rock but jury is out on that) Skillet for the fact that they're a Christian metal band and that religion shouldn't be allowed in metal. Personally 3 of the 4 bands i mentioned I'm a fan of and I can even tolerate some of Nickelback's material but when it comes down to it as one person said in the comments like what you like in music but I'd also add that if you're not willing to take constructive criticism of your favourite bands don't dish it out too others either.
@@geoffreyprior8931 not going to deny that or trying to defend them either as i said i don't mind a few of their songs but they do fall into the category of hated by rock/metal elites.
Metallica is the band that has been making me process through the last thirty years that artists need to change and that it is ok to love one period of a bands life and then learn to let go of the feeling of betrayal when they move onto something else they have to go explore. Through interviews, I have regained much of my respect for them and have understood that my fear of change and resistance to letting go were the real problem and it was my problem. I still do not like their Music much since the self titled album but now I understand that artists make whatever art they need to make when they make it, and I can respect that.
Well fucking said. Some bands can make the same music year after year. Some can't. They feel stagnant if they do. They feel the need to evolve. You can either evolve with them, evolve yourself on another direction or stay the same and let them move on.
Bullet for My Valentine are talented musicians who often get grouped generically with crappy hard rock acts but I think they are great. Scream Aim Fire is a solid album with great riffs and musicianship.
I think Bullet were always lumped in with the so-called "emo" bands in the late 00s due to their image. Absolute nonsense, of course. But it was definitely a thing from the elitist lens.
People who think Bullet sucks haven't listened to their first 5 albums and if they did they're hating on them just to be cool....Tears don't fall, Scream Aim Fire, Waking the Demon, Fever, The Last fight are bad? Yeah right LOL
@@xATown23xGaming yeah those are pretty bad lmao. some folks just really hate metalcore/emo, and that's ok. I personally can't stand any punk influences in metal, it ruins it.
Yeah same thing happened with Sonne by Rammstein (I even made an anti-gatekeeping comment on TH-cam albeit also serving as a friendly warning that it’s a bit of an atypical song from them). Not saying TikTok is good mind you, but it’s sadly the laws of the universe that if anything gets popular people will be embarrassingly protective of it. Weirdest one being Americans that act like it’s this underground thing which most Europeans respond with “are you serious?”
I’m a recovering metal elitist and avenged sevenfold and dragon force both got me from pop punk to metal and made me want to git gud at guitar. Then I heard between the buried and me, the faceless, and born of Osiris….that’s when I became an elitist. I’ve recovered since then and now create/listen to music of all genres.
How would you classify Sublime - Ebin? I thought I was well versed with music but I can't find anything else like it even though it sounds familiar. If you know any similar songs or the genre I'd love that ❤️
@@Jasonmakesvideo Far from it But I'm loving this, feels very nostalgic and they have some great progressive tracks. Decrescendo in particular is my favourite so far.
BMTH's 2020 EP "survival horror" recaptured my teenage years perfectly. Playing survival horror games like silent hill, resident evil & the last of us. Musical styles reflecting the early 2000's like Linkin Park, Evanescene and even digital sounds that reminded me of Beyblade and Yu-gi-Oh. The collabs on that EP were also excellent
As a metal fan from a small town in India it was hard to hear any different form of music other than Bollywood and whatever MTv would throw at you in the 90s & 2000s. Metallica was the gateway band because they were played on Indian TV and cassettes were available of their music. Sell out or not Metallica has done a great service towards metal in bringing in new fans or any band that decides to " sell out". It's better financially for the band and gets more people interested (quality of music is another discussion).
Yep Metallica was the big one that brought the main stream people over to heavy metal. Metal never used to be heard on tv or the radio or as backing tunes for new stories etc. Metallica literally changed that. The big jump in popularity of heavy metal all those years ago is thanks to Metallica.
I love Avenged Sevenfold and Five Finger Death Punch, these 2 bands were what got me into metal in the first place, if it weren't for them I would have been stuck into rap, pop, country, etc.
Same goes here! I actually got tattoos from both bands to mark that part of my life, aswell as the introduction to metal for me. I get why FFDP gets hate, but personally i don't think they deserve the bitter end of appreciation. Especially now that they have Andy James and Charlie Engen.
I am 47 and have been into metal since the 80's. I grew up with Black Sabbath, Testament, Metallica, Slayer, Pantera, Megadeth, Sepultura, etc. They inspired me to become a drummer over 30 years ago. With that said I think A7X and Five Finger Death Punch are both awesome bands.
FFDP made two amazing albums in the beginning but they have been pretty bland the last couple. That Offspring cover they did is horrible and even The Offspring made their own slower remix that was way better. Immense talent and they could definitely do better, but I still listen to FFDP.
Dimmu Borgir is one of the few Black Metal bands I thoroughly enjoy. The vocals don't sound terrible. Production doesn't sound like it was recorded with a $5 Dollar General camera. Me being a fan of Mushroomhead and Nine Inch Nails, I LOVE the synthesizer and keyboards in Dimmu Borgir's music. Doesn't matter how much money a band has. The music they put out is the most important factor.
They've been saying Dimmu sold out since EDT because they sang in English. Then they said they sold out when they released PEM because of the solos, clean vocals, and cover songs. Then they said they sold out when Progenies of the Great Apocalypse became an Mtv hit. They've always got new reasons to sh*t on Dimmu. To me, the only good reason to sh*t on them is that they haven't released a good album since In Sorte Diaboli, which I was not really a fan of. I met Astanuu in 09. He's an Aussie. He went by an alias but we frequented around the same circles and someone said he was Astanuu and I gushed about how much of a fan I was. We got to talking and he said post In Sorte Diaboli that they got maybe one more album in them and that's it. He was kinda right. I haven't listened to an album since then and I don't know many fans who have hung on either.
@@juliangrant9718 That's fair. I'm not the biggest fan of their newest album. But I really liked ABRAHADABRA. In terms of Black Metal, I've been loving what Dark Funeral has released.
@@VileSinner666 that was the last album I heard they released. And that was around 2010, I think. I couldn't name their latest one. I see music videos floating around but I'm too afraid to watch them. I don't want to hate it.
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I'm not an elitist. I think they should all just chill out, sit down, shut the hell up and enjoy the music they enjoy while others enjoy what they enjoy. At the end of the day, most of them don't make the music, they're not in bands, they wouldn't know what to do if they WERE in a band, and wouldn't know how to write a song if they took a tutorial with the song dictated to them. So ... just shut up. LOL! Good video!
Kings X. Super heavy drop tunings, well written songs, killer instrumentalists. Why aren't these guys more well known ? They are all excellent singers and most of their songs have complex 3 part vocal harmonies that they pull off effortlessly live. Metal purists hear the soulful lead vocals and beautiful vocal harmonies and conclude that that's not " heavy. " What no cookie monster vocals.....these guys can't be heavy.....they can actually sing.
Sad but true.
They hate all the metalcore/post hardcore/screamo bands
Hair metal gets a lot of hate for being all about fashion, girls, love, partying, booze, and drugs. Even though, the music is fun and heavy and some bands like Skid Row write songs about different topics, the elitists (like Metallica ironically) bash them for not being heavy enough.
I don't know if it counts but I once got told Mushroomhead wasn't a real metal band.
"Bands metal elitists hate"
Any metal band that was formed after 1989
I don't see Lamb of God and Gojira getting shat on by elitists. And thank fucking God too
@@masterknife8423 Gojira and Lamb of god absolutely fckn sucks
literally
@@vigoopti5143 You just need to give them a chance. Laid to Rest and The Art of Dying are incredible songs.
@@vigoopti5143 How many drugs does one have to be on to unironically say the words "Gojira sucks"? I swear nothing like a video about metal elitists to bring the metal elitists out of the woodwork.
I can’t stand elitism. If I listened to those idiots, I would’ve never discovered many of the bands I love.
I love how elitists hate gimmicks and themes, but ignore how many black metal bands wear corpse paint.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read except corpse paint does look cool?
Behemoth and powereolf do it well
Right.
I came for the show
if you think corpse paint is a gimmick, you need a history lesson
All metal is gimmicky and over the top. That's half the fun of it!
I used to listen to elitists all the time when I was younger and I regret it cause so many great bands slipped by all cause one person said “oh they suck”. Listen to everything and if you tap your foot than it’s good if you bang your head than it rocks. experience everything first hand. Never live vicariously.
How funny. Babymetal has collaborated with Dragonforce, Sabaton, and Bring me the Horizon. Kingslayer is still one of the best songs of 2020. And Babymetal has opened for Metallica. That's like half your list tied up with those two girls. If they're metal enough for Rob Halford and Corey Taylor, who am I to argue?
Rob Zombie even defended them online from metal nerds insulting them
Pedometal
@Atoms I luv slipknot and same maybe I'm just biased bc I like them but they get unnecessary hate, the make good music and people like what people like, like bro
@Atoms I think they get hate mostly bc of their online fandom. I know Slipknot fans irl and none of them are as childish. It's also that it's their target demographic, like with the whole "you don't understand me" teenage type of lyrics.
Corey Taylor hahahaha
I recommended Ghost to this couple a few weeks ago because they like metal and they actually vibe with the whole satanic symbology stuff and one of them told me "that band is for posers only, they pretend to be satanic but they aren't actually it" and I was astounded because not only they rank up bands accordingly to how "satanic" they were irl but also they recommended me a real satanic band: Slayer. I'm still flabbergasted to this day. I swear I don't understand metalheads at all and I've been listening to metal since I was 10.
Hahaha Tobias Forge literally said that he ran "headfirst into the arms of the devil" early on in his life (this doesn't mean he's a Satanist, but it does mean that he loves the idea of the devil at least). Meanwhile, Tom Araya from Slayer is an actual Christian. You said it best: "I swear I don't understand metalheads."
I listen to a wide variety of rock. From something super soft to something super heavy, hell I'm the one person that'll sit here and tell you that I love Nickelback haha but personally I didn't get into ghost because of their sound and the satanic stuff. The sound makes me think of the 80s for some reason lol it just wasn't my thing. I'm not gonna hate on somebody for liking it though🤷
Most bands and artist just pretend to be satanic. Like a lot of bands, you have to have a gimmick to stand out.
“pretend to be satanic” like what did they expect?? lmao the mockery is what makes it fun. 😭 the fact that some people try so hard to be edgy/satanic or whatever is what's really cringe. 💀
If they think Slayer is a "Real" Satanic band, then they are fucking posers. Which, in actuality most elitists are.
I discovered Sabaton about a year ago while attending a Judas Priest concert since they were the opener. I had never heard of them and said to my buddy, "Sabaton? Huh...must be some Sabbath tribute band". Thats when the curtains opened up, the drum set sat upon a tank (which the turret gun shot fireworks) BADASS. Then the music came on, add in Pyrotechnics and performance, I entered having never heard of them, and left with a T shirt.
One of the best bands ever. It got me into metal! It's a nice entry band and their music is just incredible. My favorite band. I have heard and LOVE almost ALL their songs.
I discovered them when a Friend of mine picked me up before swinging into our music shop and picking up his new CDs before we headed to our GM's house to play Rifts and he threw on Art of War, we hit shuffle and 40:1 came on first. And we were like a half hour late cause we got stoned jamming out to it >.
I saw them with Priest too, thought they were trash. Not my cup of tea I suppose.
@@crackjointgomez Could be haha! As long as you understand why others do it's totally fine! I too could never get into Metallica's music in spite of trying, though I love Megadeth to death!
@@AcidifiedMammoth The musical talent and showmanship was definitely there, not going to knock that. Just wasn't for me!
I never hate a band, but I can hate their fanbase. Toxic fanbases need to be silenced by their own idols.
Exactly, there is a difference between not liking a band and hating it. There are some bands on this list, I don't like. My response? I don't buy their albums and listen to the bands I like.
I can't understand, why I should tell others, why the bands they like are bad.
And a lot do just not all of them or go the otherway ie kid rock get roasted something awful when he came out as a supporter of someone and calles a sellout .....
Pantera fanbase is the worst one so far.
@@wind-upboy939 well, very often, especially at youtube, that starts with fans of the band in question not only telling everyone how much superior the band's music is to everything else, but also going out of their way to tell others how much the bands they prefer suck in comparison. I know that thas has rubbed me in a very wrong way in the past. Also, I'm completely entitled to comment under a music video when I don't like it and why I don't like it. It's the fans taking exception with that that are wrong, not me. (And just to clarify, I'm not talking about intentionally shitting on something just to troll the fans, I'm talking about giving my honest opinion)
*cough*Tool*cough*
I personally love Ghost.
Especially how they weave a song about the devil while making it sound like a song you would play in church. Expert levels of mind games.
It doesn't take a genius to wrap danger in sugar and present it to the vacuous masses, even you could do it.
Agreed!!
Sometimes they're fantastic, sometimes they're just name dropping demons in the midst of an average love song and it's a bit cringe.
metal elitist expect ghost music to be like super hardcore like cmon its a church theme
I had my doubts about Ghost at first but then I read the lyrics and DAMN! Probably the most straight forward audacious "satan worshipping" I've ever heard, even to the point it is hilarious. :D One of my absolute all time favorites!
Sabaton: *make songs about history*
Elitists and r/MetalMemes: "ThEyR'e NaZiS!!!😭😭😭"
There is literally nothing wrong with being natsoc
@@davidabest7195 bruh man's actually admitted to being a Nazi
Also Sabaton: *makes songs about the holocaust and name their song about the rise of the third Reich as the rise of EVIL*
@@JDP2104 in wehrmacht they call them "raging madmen on a leash"
Metal elitist don’t care about bands being nazis.
I've had metal elitist tell me Black Sabbath wasn't heavy metal. The band that literally invented the genre. I've also had them tell me Alice in Chains isn't metal because they weren't fast enough. Heavy is an attitude, not the speed of the song.
Alice in Chains can totally be considered metal, i agree. And what kind of idiot says metal has to be fast?? Lot of really heavy metal has slow tempos, like doom metal that Sabbath also basically created.
I'm with you man. I'm a musician and love great music of all genres. Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and Metallica are the pioneers of heavy metal and icons of music in general. Alice In Chains and Soundgarden are psychedelic metal bands if there is such a thing. The 2 best to come out of the 90s Seattle scene. I haven't heard any original sounding metal that I like except maybe Tool, if they're even considered metal.
Black Sabbath isn't Heavy Metal? WTF
@@laurisaarinen1126 They landed a spot on The Monster of Rock tour and earned the admiration and respect of some of the biggest names in Thrash. Tom Araya provided vocals on Dirt. They are Metal AF!
God, do metal elitists even know about the whole genre of doom metal?
I've been a metal fan since the early 70s and I never understood the whole elitism thing. Listen to what you like and don't listen to what you don't like...who gives a rat's ass! I have seen it give birth to multiple styles and genres. Some bands were great and some bands sucked. If someone likes a band you hate what does it matter? Never understood that mindset.
Same here. Grew up listening to Zeppelin and Sabbath in the 70s and Maiden and Metallica in the 80s. I think people get too hung up on creating strict boundaries around what defines the metal genre. Music of all genres, including metal, constantly evolves and changes. Shoot, the fact that there are dozens and dozens of sub-genres of metal indicates the futility of trying to carve the boundaries in stone. I don't know why anyone would want to do that anyway. If your definition of metal means that it has to always have these ten specific characteristics, then it's all going to eventually sound exactly the same and after a while will bore you to death.
@@VogonPoet67 Exactly!! Without growth and evolution, everything stagnates and dies. Look at what happened with the oversaturation of hair bands in the 80s. They all ended up just being clones of one another and the genre pretty much died out.
Not even just metal. Music as a whole. Who cares what you like? As long as you're not playing it at full blast from your phone on a bus, it doesn't matter.
Share your music loves with friends. Don't view any of your listening habits as "guilty pleasures". Because they shouldn't be. So what if you listen to Ozzy and Aqua? Who cares if you listen to Snoop Dogg and Smile.dk? Listen to what you enjoy.
I'm a big rock and metal fan. My favourite band however is cheesy synth-pop band Spray (Check out I Wonder Where The Wonder Goes for a great bit of not taking themselves seriously and just having fun). It not only isn't a guilty pleasure, it's stated proudly. Anyone who thinks they can look down on me for what I choose to listen to and enjoy is instantly not worth listening to in the first place and places themselves beneath me by their own actions.
Never put people down for simply enjoying something. With the caveat that it must not harm others too. Whether it's music, TV, hobbies, books, whatever. Be happy people have something to do that's fun, and support them in being proud of that thing, even if it's not for you. That's fine. You aren't required to like everything, you just don't have to put down things others enjoy.
Inversely if someone hates a band you love what does it matter?
@@TobenVonFreiheit I agree, and there's elitism at 0:09 the "sign of the horns" was not invented by heavy metal fans. It's a religious symbol that goes back many centuries. Found everywhere from Buddhist statues in India to ancient egyptian writings
I went full metal elitist in my teen years, eventually realised all I was doing was depriving myself of the joy of.... just liking what you fucking like without shame
I felt the same. Teenage elitist but after growing up and being okay with other genres, while still loving metal, just like what you like and don't judge anyone else for what they like. (Unless it's kid Rock!... Just kidding... Sort of)
Jesus Christ. My teens were wild. Manowar... Sooo much Manowar. "Death to all false Metal" whilst all they did since 2010 was re-releasing their own albums over and over.
You can still listen to what you want while calling your emo buds "core-kid" or "poser"
Hating sabaton for making songs about war is like hating pink Floyd for making songs about a depressed middle aged man. Sure its repetitive but due to the talent and dedication of the musicians makes every song unique
Noone hates Sabaton for singing about war AHAHAH, Bolt Thrower sings about war and they are the single best thing in music. Sabaton gets hate becuse its boring, run out the mill, dadrock that only cryptofacists and 13 year old """History buffs" (they play civ v and age of empires) listens to.
Head over to the sabaton mech store and I dare you to come back tell me that their "music" is anything but just the packaging to their insane amount of merchandise.
@@leningreider3258 absolutely true
@@ZarMakoupisGeORge dude, every successful mainstream band has a crap ton of merch. Metallica, iron maiden, black Sabbath. That doesn't mean there bad. Greedy? Yes. Bad taste in music? Depends on the listener
@@ZarMakoupisGeORge literally that exact same thing could be said about Iron Maiden but they're considered one of the metal gods... think of a better reason to hate on a band than selling merchandise
I learned to be a metal snob from my Uncle. I was 10 and he was 18 and I remember driving around in his 88 Monte Carlo doing 120mph down highway 70 listening to Slayer, Morbid Angel, Cannibal Corpse, Obituary, Death, Deicide. I followed right in his foot steps and refused to listen to anything but "real metal" as my Uncle would say. I started listening to hip hop in my late teens and realized I was missing out on so much good music only listening to "real metal". Nowadays I listen to everything including classical piano and any thing that gets my receptors going. I am still a metal head primarily and I don't think that will ever change.
I got into heavier bands THROUGH bands like Iron Maiden, Ghost, and A7x. Clean vocals don't make a band bad, just like growled vocals don't make a band good. I wish more people into these genres would learn that.
@@ThePhantomSafetyPin correct, but if someone dislikes a7x or ghost cuz of the vocals, that doesn't mean they're immediately an elitist.
@@ThePhantomSafetyPin I have a thing for guttural vocals and some clean vocals and some screaming vocals
@@jimit.4220 A7X is in top 5 of most talented metal bands. I honestly think they are metallica who know music theory. Once i thought m. Shadows was annoying too, but now enjoy his multi faceted singing abilites
You should try listening to Jazz and Ska metal. They're both 2 genres you wouldn't associate with metal, but they have a unique sound you won't hear in mainstream music.
Avenged Sevenfold is great, fuck all the haters. Whether or not they're "true metal" or not, their guitar work is incredible and their songs are super catchy and well structured.
I personally couldn't get into them that much. I do love The Stage though. Especially the music video for that particular song
If your critique of a band is they aren't X genre enough you aren't a music fan.
Terrible band
Same - I loved them back when they were getting endless sh!t for being 'emo', for being pretty, for being a lil bit trashy aesthetically. Aaand then The Stage dropped and suddenly everyone's all on about how they're bastions of modern American metal when not 5 years earlier the same critics and bloggers were calling them the worst thing ever.
@@rooklane3925 hope u got ur own better band than them
I’ve always loved Sabaton no matter how cheesy they may be. They’re music absolutely kicks ass and they’re story telling is unmatched, doing any subject they talk about more than justice. And for Bullet, they’re past few albums have kind of blown but boy, their self titled record from last year might be the heaviest thing they’ve ever done. The first time I heard the album opener, Parasite, I was shocked by just how much of a style and sound 180 they had done from Gravity.
Sabaton Frick yeah! Their songs hit so hard to me because they are based on actual, bloody, emotional events and heroism.
They grow on you if you can get by the gimmick, I saw them live 2 times now and their live play is stellar they are solid live.
I like it all, from death metal to hair metal, even some black metal (atleast the ones that actually tune there instruments)
Sabaton are modern day bards
Sabaton is definitely one of my favorites. Bismarck is enough evidence that they’re kickass
I saw Metallica live as well as Ghost, both are absolutely awesome live
When Elitists hate you, then you've made it, because 'Metal Elitist' is an oxyMORON. Metal isn't for the 'elite' but for everyone, those who can handle it anyway- no borders, no creed, no ethnicity, no gender. Just brutal face-melting music!!!
@Ichijou Miyamoto find another band ig bc i really live mdm, not really metalcore
@Ichijou Miyamoto Their deathcore stuff was actually heavy af. God I miss them.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read how
@Dragon Ball fans can't read for real
There are no elitists that's just a term you throw at anyone that disagrees with your tastes.
As a big Iron Maiden fan, I've noticed that elitist fans constantly say disparaging things about anything post 1995. And these days their iron is mostly directed at the fact that they tend for much longer, more progressive sounding music.
Also Linkin Park was a long-standing running joke to a lot of people between the years of 2008 to 2017 when it took the tragic death of a legendary singer for people to understand that those "edgy" lyrics weren't disingenuous.
Nu metal in general is hated not even by elitists but by nu metal bands themselves. The label itself is like derogatory.
Linkin Park is the good kind of edgy. They weren’t pandering, they were being honest. MGK is really what disingenuous writing sounds like.
But Maiden is Maiden so they generally get a pass. I don’t care for the newest album, i only truly like 3 songs off of BOS , but when they come to town. You go? Up The Irons \m/
Wait there was a time where Linkin Park were not a joke?
NGL, Brave New World is my favorite Maiden album.
Like what you like. I don’t care 🤷🏽♂️
It's a good attitude to have.
Thank you.👏
Unless it’s Psycho Sinner
Amen,brother,preach 😜😊👍
Truth.
I don’t understand why Ghost gets so much hate, they’re an incredibly unique band with legendary talent.
Nahh
LOL Tobias Forge is such a wankster 😂
They have too much Pop influence. Metal heads don't like that they're even considered metal.
@@DalaceEbut we're fine with BLUE OYSTER CULT...
@@VampireJack10 grandfathered in
Elitist or not, the NFT stuff from A7X is cringe. I’m a fan of the band, but NFT’s are a laughable concept.
The way they are doing it is vastly different from what it is. It essentially gives you some prizes when you buy them like tickets, merch etc.
Agree
And so is the tough guy attitude from A7X.
I remember doing HOURS of research years ago and figuring out Tobias was Ghost's singer. My buddy who was obsessed with the band thought I was crazy. Years later, he had to come to terms with the fact he knew the truth for years and so did I and everyone said I was insane. I remember finding his name for writing credits and then searching it up and went down the rabbit hole
I'm still.half convinced the Brendan Small did that solo on Spirit. It sounds so much like Skwiisgar
@@hdervish2497 very possible
I once had a friend complain about how elitist our university's rock society was; she found she got criticism for not dressing 'metal' even though she was into the music. It's a sad thing as I've always found the metal community to be very accepting, but then I wear ripped jeans and festival t-shirts all the time, not Topshop. Elitsists do have a tendency to gve metal a bad name. Also, how did Linkin Park, not make this list? Elitists hate Linkin Park! \m/
I've never met anyone that said LP is bad or overrated. And if I ever do, I know that anything that person says from that point on is more than likely wrong.
They sound like posers lmao
Because Linkin Park has never been metal which is short for heavy metal. It's alternative rock, at least it was when they started.
Elitists make everything look bad and there everywhere: gaming community, pop community, rock community, rap community, country community, film community, comic community
i think that's a made up scenario.
My son introduced me to Sabaton, because he knew I liked Metal/Hard Rock and I'm a huge history buff, back around 2016 and I've been a huge fan ever since. Sabaton is my most played playlist on Spotify, and I've learned quite a bit of history I didn't know about from listening to them, along with their TH-cam channel Saboton History. From listening to Sabaton, I've also got into Power Metal, like DragonForce, Battle Beast, Beast in Black, Dynazty, LoveBites (these girls can play), HammerFall, etc.
Growing up in the 70's and 80's, I listened to primarily what is known today as Classic Rock and Hard Rock, bands like KISS, VanHalen (and VanHagar), Journey, Boston, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, Meatloaf, Rush, The Police, Genesis and such. It was Metallica's Black Album that really got me into Metal, because it was a great album and a good introduction to Metal, but Sabaton was my first introduction to Power Metal, and I found I liked the genre, along with Epic/Symphonic Metal, though Thrash Metal is still what I consider my foundation of Metal. Don't care for Dark/Black/Death Metal, or Screamo, I guess I'm too old and not angry enough for that to appeal to me, and I can't sing along to demon/cookie monster growling, hurts my throat.
The most important thing BabyMetal teached me, is to be open minded towards basically anything. Elitist are shooting themselves in the foot, and missing so many good bands it's not even funny.
When i discovered Babymetal in 2011 i said that they brought the fun back into metal.
Musicianship is top notch and vocals are strong!
If I hadn't searched up some of their songs, as well as Love Bites, the TH-cam algorithm wouldn't have recommended the band that has probably become my favorite (or at least tied for number one), and that is BAND-MAID. Baby Metal might not be my number 1 band, but (like the beattles) I'm extremely grateful to world of music they introduced me too!
Side note. They're not metal; they are amazing hard-rock.
@@andrewhoffman1087 yeah, Band Maid is simply amazing :) Nowadays if I must choose, I usually listen to them instead to any other band :) Eagerly awaiting their acoustic live CD, the stream was superb.
@@atis5203 Right there with you! I'm also looking forward to finally seeing them live on the US tour, later this year!
Same experience. I was put off to start with because of the concept. Listened to them and all of them can play, really play. They're theater, they're fun, and still somehow cute but metal. It's a paradox that helps metal grow to new audiences. Who knows? Someone might start with babymetal and then move on to slipknot or slayer.
I'm in my 50's and have been a metal fan all my life. One of the things I love about the genre is the incredible diversity within it. Judging all of metal by the same yard stick is pointless. Like all art if it speaks to you, enjoy. If it doesn't don't feel you have the right to tell everyone else to feel the same way. Doing so is incredibly arrogant.
YES!!! _\m/
I believe Metallica was better in the 80’s, (in my own opinion) but I never really thought they sold out, some of the songs on the black album hit hard
I mean that's a very valid opinion I dont think many bands get better with age or atleast not in the 20 to 30 year range
not to mention that death magnetic and hardwired to self destruct both have some great tracks on them, its not like they aren't still writing good music in the more recent decades...
The Black Album is the reason Metallica got their peak popularity and it stablished them at the height they're currently are.
If a different band released the Black Album, it would have been heralded as a masterpiece by many of its detractors.
Personally I find thrash can get quite boring, and there are bands who did it better than them anyway, so I actually think they found their definitive sound with that album. It's certainly their only album I can listen to all the way through without skipping a song anyway.
@@AshOs90 I actually think death magnetic had great songs. I like the entire album and think it only suffered from bad studio editing due to the loudness wars.
The fact the metal elitists hate Ghost makes me love Ghost even more.
@Sam Falcon And there's the elitist
This video is basically "top 10 bands i like" lol :)
Ghost is also hated because of the court cases. I boykot any & all concerts with Ghost and urge others to do the same. Besides they are not really that good.
I never considered ghost metal.
@@Missconduct044 ghost has a different sound every album its not fair to only classify them as metal imo. ghost is just ghost
Metallica wrote Master of Puppets and, largely, gave birth to a generation of metalheads, so they can do no real wrong in my opinion, even if their subsequent records haven't been great. They've been around and relevant for 40 years, most people can't say that about their own miserable, useless lives....much less something they've created.
They then released lulu which has got to be the worst album ever recorded:(
Metallica is not the only metal band out there, you know?
Metallica is the most overrated band in history. Awful drummer, and Kirk stinks.
Metallica sold out after the black album!!!!! They completely got away from what made them and pissed on all the true fans!!!!!!!!
Cue the elitists… oh wait they are already here…
I thought BabyMetal seemed kind of interesting, then I saw them live with Avatar in 2019 and saw what the hype was about. I was blown away. What a cool and fun show. Just insane in your face energy. I ended up going and seeing them again on that same tour I enjoyed it so much. And now I’m a huge fan. I’m primarily a death metal guy, BabyMetal is one of the few bands I like with cleans. They are just too much fun.
I saw them on that same tour in NYC. I came for BabyMetal and left a fan of Avatar as well. I had never heard of Avatar before then.
@@davidfrischknecht8261 I was a huge avatar fan and more casual BM fan. Left a true believer and now huge BM fan. I was in a big group of avatar fans, most of who said they were probably going to leave after avatar, they all stayed till the very end and left BabyMetal fans.
It’s also probably the most diverse metal show I’ve been to by a mile. Everything from young people to the standard middle aged bearded metal guys in battle vests. A pretty even mix of white, black, and asian folks as well as a lot of women. The only metal show I’ve seen more women at was The Hu. And well…. Yeah I could see why women were into them lol.
BabyMetal really is a great thing for metal, and elitists need to chill and get to a show.
Also probably the most intense pit I’ve ever been in.
I seen them at their 2nd or 3rd show at a fest in Japan called Loud Park. I thought it would be too Japanese for most people. I figured they would just be popular with the anime fans in the US. I was really wrong. In Japan that are loved by people into all kinds of metal. My wife loves them. I have seen them a lot.
Rob Zombie's response to a comment regarding BabyMetal: "They roll harder than you."
It stems from the fact that they don't play any actual instruments, they only have heavy guitars and drums, they sing in a high pitch pop like voice, and the lyrics aren't that metal.
Being a metalhead is a love & hate relationship, no matter how much or what you hate/love.
It’s not a big deal at all. One person is obviously not going to like what another does.
We are all snowflakes
FYI - "Backout in the Red Room" is a great album by Love/Hate
love it how any band trying to make some cash are called 'sell outs' despite the actual work they're churning out. Irony is that you won't have much metal going on if there's no bread in it. I've known many talented people who just hung up their guitars and went back to a day job just to pay for house, wife and children.
Thing is they churn out any amount of work they want, but when it’s garbage- it’s garbage. Obviously just my opinion
@@brandonkallhoff7879 I don't think anyone disagrees that garbage is garbage. At the same time when a band creates something, on purpose or not, that is also more palatable to a more main stream public it can still be good and doesn't necessarily mean a band 'sold out'. I can think of a few examples where bands just started exploring and experimenting with different influences and moved away from their older more rough sounds. This is simply to be expected as people grow and mature and still can produce high quality music that also pays the bills a bit better as a bonus.
Metal elitists: This band is fucking awesome! They are the only true metal band!
Other fans: Shit yeah great band!
Metal Elitists: They suck now because people like them!
Metal fans who have ascended elitism: Fuck you, I like what I like and I don’t give a shit what you think.
actual metal fans don't suddenly hate a band when they become popular (name one metal 'elitist' that hates Iron Maiden or Judas Priest), it's when metal bands change their sound to appeal to a larger audience, like Metallica dropping thrash metal for a more mainstream heavy metal sound.
@@rcengineer so you expect a band that has been together since 1981 to make the same music for all those years?? That is ridiculous, PEOPLE change and go through different periods or things in their lives that affect them over years, decades even...and oh by the way Bands are made up of people :O I know, shocking. I get it, you like what you like, but there is NOTHING wrong with a band changing up their style to try something new and ..holy shit, maybe acquiring some new fans in the process!! You don't have to love all the music of every band, I don't, but I LOVE music and metal comes in different forms and THAT is the beauty of it! We are all different and like different things, and ya know...that is OK! _\m/
@@rcengineer I know quite a few who won't listen to Maiden or Priest because NWOBHM is just "classic rock"
@@elizabethdavis9801 I don't expect them to make the same music, but I also generally expect them to not alienate their already existing fan base due to that switch. What made people like Metallica was their dirty, angry style of metal compared to most other metal bands of the time, which they did a way with in favor of a more standard heavy metal style with way more mainstream appeal. I don't mind if a metal band changes their sound, as long as they don't completely alienate their core fans.
@@insomniacbritgaming1632 Those are just called posers.
So many 80s metal bands wouldn’t be considered “metal” by the elitists these days.
From where some dopes draw the line these days, Black F'n Sabbath wouldn't be considered metal.
Examples?
@@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 pretty much any glam (hair) metal. These bands are not strictly metal bands. Think Def leopard, poison, motley cru. A big focus on that genre of music is image kinda like Ghost.
@@zapa47 I don’t think that’s where the lines are drawn. Metal Archives are extremely strict with their criteria for what is or not metal (gatekeepers, if you will) and Black Sabbath definitely makes the cut
@@CMProbert928 Well, Ozzy himself didn't like the term metal. He's spoke out about all the categorization that started happening. It used to just all be rock, then they came up with more sub-categories, then even more sub-categories, and so on.
Personally, I feel like I understand the hate that Babymetal gets. It has nothing to do with the fact that their women though. It has almost entirely to do with the fact that they were founded as an industry plant rather than out of a true love and appreciation for metal, much like Simple Plan, dear God Simple Plan is such an industry plant, and a really bad one at that too. Seriously it feels to me like both of these bands are around just to sell their hot topic clothing brands rather than make compelling music, at least music that's compelling to me personally. I feel that better instances of women in metal can be found in Lzzy Hale from Halestorm and Alicia Whitegluz from the Melodic Death Metal band Arch-Enemy. These two women seem to have a genuine love for the genre and that's why they're a part of it. I'm open to hear what everyone else thinks, so leave a reply. As a final reminder, this is all just my thoughts and opinions, so keep the replies civil.
"The Old Rule was "The Uglier the Band, the Heavier the Metal" "
Well shit, you got 3 young japanese women with their band doing heavier metal than most "Ugly bastards" out there :,)
This make me spit my cofee XD 🦊🤘
Lol that's true
Gallhammer?
I love a lot of old school death metal and thrash metal but I Love BABYMETAL. it’s super creative and fresh. People don’t like the vocals because they have that “cute” aspect and the few pop elements but the lead singer Suzuka is a legit amazing singer. Their guitar players are near Yngwie malmsteen level good, and their drummer plays crazy double bass patterns and they have some really badass and catchy riffs/choruses. Some people may not like them but they are definitely metal and are very fun. Hell with everyone who thinks otherwise. They’re really humble and positive while kicking lots of ass. They’re really sweet people and it still amazes me that they were able to get in front of crowds of around 30,000 people, play long sets and put on a hell of a tiring performance at 15 years old.
FYI: there is a whole scene of amazing all-female Japanese metal bands.
Search for it on YT.
I think Aldious is a great place to start.
@@bonescheffel7795 I love Aldious. They're the only ones I like other than Babymetal. I recently saw the videos from their 2021 performance. So much better. They were a little shaky live but now they're just fantastic. I always liked their studio tracks.
@@bonescheffel7795 I like how we are seeing more from the East getting popular like The Hu from Mongolia or Bloodywood from India.
I don't understand the hate towards Babymetal in metal community. BM does it's own thing and I love it.
@@bonescheffel7795 just looked up Aldious due to your comment, and I just wanted to thank you for suggesting them.
Aside from Babymetal, I'm not familiar with many Japanese metal bands, so this was a pleasant surprise🤘
"You know what else metal elitists hate? Women." Ouch, that hits too close to home. If I had a dollar every time a male metalhead acted sexually inappropriate towards me or told me that I was a poser because female, I'd be rich enough to pay for bands to play for me alone.
Yup. Sexism is an important element of this. Now that women are pretty commonplace in hard rock (thank you Joan Jett, Pat Benatar, and other pioneers) the troglodytes have made metal their last bastion. Some people just can't *stand* the idea of a woman being on the stage at all, let alone at the front.
FIRST OFF I AM A MAN SECOND OFF WE ARE NOT ALL LIKE THAT THIRD OFF YOU PROBABLY JUST HATE MEN SO GET OFF THE INTERNET
Yea some metal i like has female vocalist ie nightwish within temptation and evanescence
Suprised someone didnt say sharon tarja or amy were "too soft"
Cute story
Being a metal elitist and pro wrestling mark at the same time must be a way to live
Lemme tell you, it's not easy. 😔
It's still real to me dammit!!!!
Ghost is literally gaining so much popularity lately. They are bringing back metal and Im so glad about it. I saw them earlier this year in Reno and I loved every second of it. They definitely have their heavy songs too like Mummy Dust, Faith, Cirice etc.
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@@nihil___ yes?
Ghost is definitely metal. Lookat sabbath and zeppelin etc in today's standard they wouldn't be called metal more like hard rock but they aren't. Shit iron maiden is definitely metal and Bruce has an amazing voice.
It’s amazing to watch
@@High_Speed6565 absolutely
I love Ghost. I think what they're doing in bringing back 70s and 80s arena rock and metal is awesome. They are just as catchy as Iron Maiden can be, who I also love, and who elitists would tear apart if they were a new band today. I just think metal elitists have no damn idea what metal is and don't really love metal as much as they love whining.
Exactly bro, if Iron Maiden hadn’t been out in the 80s and the then dropped number of the beast in 2015 they would have been mocked as poser metal. I seriously hate metal elitists. Some of the biggest cocksuckers in the world. Much like punk elitists.
Amazing vocals, comprehensible and beautiful lyrics (I heard Life Eternal at a critical time and it broke me), the best thematic band since Gorillaz or David Bowie.
I have a band for each mood but Ghost is just good for everything except anger.
Ghost is a pop band.😂😂😂
@@fredgrebner526 That’s like saying “Salad is girl food.” C’mon, man. Come up with something better.
I find myself humming Dance Macabre a lot lol
Isn't Disturbed pretty hated as well? I've heard them get quite a bit of flack for "not being hard enough" over the years......which is and odd thing to say giving some of the topics they've sung about...
I dont hate Disturbed. I like the music, I just dont like Davids voice. He has a powerful voice, the lyrics are usually well written, the vocal melodies are solid, I just dont like it personally. I have the same opinion about the Dave Matthews Band. Talent is talent.
Any band that gets just a bit too popular will get hated as hell by some elitists.
True
I think its lumped in with the general nu-metal hate and I personally don't like Disturbed as after certain point they got REALLY preachy about their political stances in my opinion.
@@gunmunz Well I mean to be fair art is always gonna be political in some way, that's just how art do.
Honestly I’m INSANELY surprised that Slipknot wasn’t on this list
Yeah especially with r/MetalMemes’ hate boner for them that has ironically made that subreddit into a meme itself
I have this to say, everyone is entitled to listen to what they want to listen, one of my coworkers loves Five Finger Death Punch, he talks about them all the time, I support him, I don't insult him at all, I'm always willing to learn about new bands and songs, Five Finger isn't as bad as the elitists want us to believe
Man music taste Is subjective. It's like being mad at someone for liking a food you don't like lol.
I was actually surprised to see Sabaton on this list, never knew they were in the crosshairs of Metal Elitists. But considering one of the things Metal Elitists hate the most is gimmicks, I can see why they'd hate a band who's songs are based on military history.
Not all "gimmicks" in metal are hated...GWAR is an example of that...
I also think it is because of the topic sabbaton applies. Not trying to sound elitist or anything, but the bands music is mostly historical and some of the references are niche as hell compared to other power metal bands (hell their past 2 albums were about the first world war and the numerous people, fronts and equipment).
Think big factor for the hate missed here is that way Sabaton structures songs, focus on melody rather than riffs, guitars relegated to playing the harmony. Reminds some listeners more of a traditional pop stucture (eurovision like?) than a metal practice, they're not only one's to do this, but they're the biggest so get the hate.
Sabaton being compared to the Eurovision, oh my God... People have lost their minds 😂
@@GarryLarryBarry Yes and they are also as lame and cheesy as you can get. The keyboards also ruin it for me.
For Bring Me the Horizon, I can attest that they were hated as far back as 2009 by the elitist crowd simply because Oli Sykes was a pretty boy and they pretty much hated all MySpace era deathcore. Suicide Silence got similar treatment to the point that people were saying they were glad Mitch Lucker died, which they also said about The Rev.
Surprised Nickelback and Slipknot weren’t mentioned.
Being pretty in metal will definitely earn you the hate.
Now the elitists moan about how they're not heavy enough anymore like WTF
@@wheelsofmercury A rule that I live by that I think makes me a happier person is, no matter how much I hate someone, no matter what they’ve done to deserve it, I never truly wish death on anyone. I might feel that way sometimes and that’s completely okay, but I never openly express it or hold onto those feelings for very long. I cannot fathom what issues people must have to want someone to die because they think they’re cringe or whatever. Like, seriously. Especially someone you don’t even know. It’s hard enough on his family and friends as it is, but when there’s an entire crowd on people celebrating his death… yikes. The Internet can bring out some of the best in humanity, but also a lot of the worst.
@@masterknife8423 They take a break from metalcore for a few albums and people call them sellouts. Same thing happened with Linkin Park and Paramore back in the day. There’s a difference between trying something new and selling out, and calling every artist who changes their sound a sellout slows down innovation and creativity to a screeching halt.
@@masterknife8423 I mostly see that as them trying to find a new scapegoat since the complaints from back in the day don't hold up.
Wow…I’m shocked with metal elitism. I loved Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Five Finger Death Punch, and Bullet For My Valentine in high school. Sabaton and DragonForce are two of my top three favorite metal bands period. Wow…just…wow.
I think "loved them in high school" is the main trigger which causes the metal elitist phenomenon.
Most metal elitists are people in College/University/in their early 20s who go down the Black Metal or Death Metal rabbit hole and then slap the bands that they listened to as teenagers (and bands teenagers like now) with the back of their hand on their way down.
Funny how Metallica is the only decent band on thier
@@vorebiz bingo! I guarantee you if black and Death metal were more mainstream they would end up hating those bands too.
Just got to like what you like. I love so many of these bands
@@ianpcon3630 agreed, fuck the haters
In all honesty, after going through 5FDP’s discography (yes, I actually did that), I can’t help but have a soft spot for them
Honestly their first few albums are pretty solid all around despite most songs sounding similar
Five finger butt-punch?
Gross.
Ghost is such a special band to me i love everything about them it really feels like the revival of the larger than life showmanship
and oh boy the bridge instrumentals on so many of their songs feel like straight up magic to me it feels so nice to listen to ill stop here cause otherwise id be gushing all day
Ghost is awesome if you like pop music.
Here's your daily reminder that "Pop" is not a dirty word; Pop riffs are popular because the human brain is actually hardwired to like those sounds and respond to them. S, Ghost is clearly doing something right if they're able to blend smoky guitar riffs, Disney Villain showsmanship, Pop feels, and Death Metal topics into something that *actually charts and still sounds good*.
I recently just got into Sabaton and as a history buff I love them and singing about amazing moments in war history. Attack of the Dead Men is probably my most favorite. FFDP will always have a place in my heart and Ghost is amazing the way they experiment with different sounds and artistic expression very refreshing. BABYMETAL I always love them they helped me get into Metal more I used to found them funny yet later appreciate what their doing.
*Osowiec, then,*
*and again!*
*Attack of the dead,*
*Hundred men!*
Sodom better
Night witches absolutely slaps
i never heard of babymetal until this video.
The most punk thing you can do or “ metal “ is going against elitism and not be part of their club.
I think people hate Ghost because they saw Tobias before they heard him and assumed the music wasn't going to sound like Cinderella with a better vocalist. I'll be honest. I thought Ghost was going to sound like a Norwegian Black Metal band but was surprised that they were a rock band.
I admit I like Ghost and thought the same thing when I was first getting into them and was caught off guard. “… I mean I like this but wasn’t what I was expecting”
The statement "There are Elitists and then there are Black Metal Elitists" is spot on! I'm a MASSIVE Black Metal fan, but damn, the online community is rife with fuckwittery
Five Finger Death Punch is literally the only one on here that I would say deserves the hate because man they’ve been scraping the bottom of the barrel since AT LEAST Got Your Six and it doesn’t seem to stop.
Yup. I know plenty of non-elitist metal listeners and even die hard nu-metal fans who still can’t stand them, and that’s saying a lot.
I started on ffdp about 3 years ago don’t forget I’m still a teen so i was testing the water with them and there new album sucked I moved to slipknot and god am I happy I did
I’ll listen to them a little bit mostly F8 because that album has some good songs but I like bands like Slipknot now plus 80s metal
Yeah they suck worse than all the other bands on the list put together
No, that’s accurate. The first three albums were good. After that, the 2disc set was pretty okay, then…I still pay to see them live, because it’s really a fun show. But yeah, being criticized for “phoning it in”, is very fair.
My guitarist said something to me that is so true, it took me a while to stop laughing:
“Metallica are simultaneously the best and the most pathetic metal band that’s ever existed”.
It took you a while to stop laughing at THAT quote?
Alright...
Nah Metallica is the best heavy metal band of all time
It is indeed a fine line between clever and stupid.
Metallica are NOT pathetic. THINKING they're pathetic is pathetic.
The pathic was always part of metal since it started. If you dont know this you have no idea of the history of Rock music at all.
I like most the bands on this list, but your definition of "metal elitist" seems to be "metal fan who has opinions that you don't agree with."
Surprised Cradle of Filth didn't make the list. The moment they made it into MTV in the 2000s, black metal elitists wanted to burn them at the stake. Dani Filth even admitted that CoF were never part of the black metal scene. Can't be successful without haters I guess.
cradle was who i thought of too. i don't care though, i love that shit. ghost too, the sillier the better
I was dragged to my first Sabaton show, now I've seen them 7 times, they are incredible live.
Weird to see Sabaton on this list, they don't make songs to glorify war, rather they make songs to tell about the dark conflicts during the war and the acts of heroism in the battlefield
Exactly! How is it possible to hate them?! I don’t understand
They probably get pissed on because they have become popular. I personally think they're one of the most important heavy metal bands of today and flying the flag for oldschool metal. Plus they write songs about real historical events.
I don´t hate them, I simply don´t like the work they do. Don´t like the vocals, the lack of power of their riffs, and I also think that their music doesn´t match the theme. Everyone´s entitled to their own opinion though :)
@@josiasguiomar2504 that's fair enough
I never got how people say they glorify war, like have they never heard Price of a Mile, Angels Calling, Final Solution, Attero Dominatus, Rise of Evil, Hearts of Iron, Great War, Cliffs of Gallipoli, Fields of Verdun, Lifetime of War, Wehrmacht, End of the War to End Wars, Christmas Truce, theres probably more but thats all I can think of for now. They closest they get to glorifying war is making ballads about the brave people who fought in the conflicts like Alvin York and Audie Murphy.
I will never understand the elitist hatred for Ghost. I get the feeling that metalheads who complain about Ghost simply do not know their roots. To me, Ghost sounds like what would happen if Ozzy Osbourne or Rob Halford decided to join forces with Candlemass to make a supergroup and crank out a bunch of albums. I see no problem with this.
Honestly I think it's because they WERE a huge inside joke for metalheads, then they got popular and the "joke's no longer funny."
They remind me of Blue Oyster Cult.
A lot.
Ghost just doesn't have 'it'. I don't know man.
I think the main problem with ghost is their asthetic, you take one look at them, especially the frontman, and you think "damn, they look like a black metal band." They look like they're gonna make this dark, heavy music but they just don't. I love what ghost is doing, but their aesthetic isn't helping them much at all. I don't think a lot of people understand the black metal scene that much, but that scene, especially those who're into its second wave of development, are take themselves REALLY seriously. If your music, look, mannerisms, stage presence, fuck everything doesn't all add together to being trve kvlt, you're posers, and that's the problem with Ghost, they're taking the black metal aesthetic and playing music that heavy enough or whathaveyou to fit the aesthetic. If Ghost dressed like normal dudes on stage and didn't act like they're satan's apprentices, they'd be seen a lot more fondly in the eyes of most elitists
because (correct me if I'm wrong) the lead guitarist is kind of a d*ck. But that's all I heard so idk
I knew all of these bands were subject to gatekeeping, but I got a bit surprised when I saw Sabaton. I didn’t know they were something that metal elitists would hate.
Neither Dragonforce or Dimmu Borgir. Learned something new today.
It's weird how so many gatekeepers flock to hate on certain bands.
@@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 from my Blackmetaler days the they usually sneered upon was cradle of filth
@@vassily-labroslabrakos2263 I’ve heard of them getting hate back then.
Power Metal elitists hate Sabaton, cause they're not "fast enough". As if every band has to write the same fast solo shredding songs.
There’s nothing wrong disliking any band, we all are into different music, as well as bands. However if the so called elitists would support their favorite acts as much as they brag about what they do not like, maybe it would have been better.
Cool list. I think a band that definitely needs to be featured on a possible Part 2 is Deafheaven. They've literally faced ridiculously vitriolic backlash from trve kvlt black metal elitists just because of them doing blackgaze and having a pink album cover.
...and the second they want to disassociate black metal from their music entirely, they face backlash too, lmao.
Mind you, I think there are valid reasons to criticize Deafheaven's music, but the more I read into the hate they get on the average, the less I feel like adding to the pile.
I enjoy Deafheaven also, and they definitely do get unfair hate toward them.
Deafheaven would be my suggestion as well.
Sub-genre purism is it’s own subset of elitism… but Deafheaven certainly qualifies here.
I guess it’s just the success that Deafheaven has had with the post-black/blackgaze sound where they’ll jump on Deafheaven’s case but leave bands like Alcest alone or completely ignore that groups like Agalloch pioneered the sound and are still revered.
I like Metallica, but I hate all the other bands on this list so I guess that makes me an elitist haha however, I would say that I absolutely do not understand why Deafheaven are so hated. I honestly think that if they dressed like Amon Amarth but their music was exactly the same as it is in reality, then half the people who claim to hate them now, wouldn’t. Why should blast beats and screaming only be for people who worship Satan and/or dress a certain way. I really like most of Deafheaven’s music and they’re combining ideas no one else combined in quite the same way before, so for that they should be applauded. I remember reading a thing a while ago saying Deafheaven were “dumbing down” metal to appeal to indie audiences, but that would imply that those audiences were always separate in the first place, which they were SO not. I grew up loving Bathory as much as My Bloody Valentine, so to hear a band that was influenced by both was pretty sweet for me. Anyway rant over 🤘
I went to see them play last month and they fucking ripped that venue apart! Then I went and got a tattoo of one of my favorite lyrics of theirs. Needless to say, fuck the haters, they're doing more for metal/rock that most other bands could only dream of.
Back when they opened for slipknot, in Oklahoma people were booing them. In hindsight that's really harsh but it was funny to witness.
With how much i love dragonforce most of the people in the U.S have probably never been to an actual show and i can tell you without a doubt, the amount of work they put in is impressive
I doubt metal “elitism” is responsible for metals decline in popularity. If anything it’s picking up steam again anyway. There’s tons of new bands and high school kids at shows
Is that an Infester pfp? Nice.
Ghost started out as metal and then changed to more melodical rock. Each album has its own feel.
Metal heads just hate it when a bad changes styles.
Metallica got shat on by the tonne in the same way for releasing Load and Reload. Even I took a few potshots at them for those albums but after years of learning more about rock and metal, I love those albums and Metallica did great by experimenting. Bands must evolve and take their music in different directions.
Metal isnt about giving in to the hate its just usually duelled by it trauma and suffering in life ie so far away was a reqiuem for the rev falling away from me and down with the sickness are about abuse last resort about suicide
I was an elitist when I was 20-something and literally has nothing else going for me. I then got a life and the started to support everyone’s interest in metal regardless of how mainstream or obscure the bands they liked were.
Never knew Sabaton was hated. I love thier songs. The best ones for me are night witches, uprising and panzerkampf
They are not hated at all. It’s completely false.
@@vigoopti5143 bro what are you talking about. Basically everyone that doesn't listen to PM hates Sabaton.
@@sammarvelous5030 i don’t listen to PM metal and I don’t hate them. There you go.
@@vigoopti5143 I wish it were true but I've encountered some Sabaton-hating elititists myself
I feel like Motionless in White needs to be on here. One of my favorite bands but my God the hate they get is astounding at times.
Yes
I literally saw someone tell a kid "KYS" when they said MiW was their favorite metal band.
Crappy hot topic band
A wannabe tough guy band that sounds like dubstep on guitar. Yep.
Soon as I saw the title, I instantly thought of Avenged Sevenfold. Maybe I'm biased since I've loved them since I first heard the self-titled album and were my gateway into metal, but I don't understand the hate. Sure, HTTK wasn't great, but there's far worse out there. And I can't think of any instance where they've been problematic. Maybe their little feud with Dillinger Escape Plan??? Idk. Elitists suck, like what you like.
A7X has had a lot of anger toward them for a long time now.
@Rocked True. I got hate for liking them even before HTTK. Oh well.
Great video btw! Keep up the good content. :)
You really nailed this whole thing. LIKE WHAT YOU LIKE (and I'll add) LEAVE THE REST ALONE. I like what I like. I really don't care what other people think of the bands, except that it's probably jealous sabotage. And don't go out of your way to trash the legacy bands. They built the foundation for future bands to expand on.
I have no use for rabid fans of any band.
One of the reasons I love metal is the variety. AND THE DEPTH. SO MANY BANDS. So many STYLES. Much of the elitists BS is simply selling NFTs--meaningless tags.
@@RockedNet why do soo many metal bands these days get hate including older content when 9/11 happened am not making up this either my former best friend blamed both marilyn manson and slipknot for 9/11 no joke either then he heard it was osama bin laden i told him it was bin laden then he said no it was slipknot and marilyn manson my former best friend never watched bowling for columbine he holds a serious gruge against marilyn manson and he beileves it to be true rumor about marilyn manson which is proven to be not true yet he still beileves its true
@@thereturnofdarthcaedus metal and rap do if you listen to say i am by eminem he even says in the song middle america now its a tragedy than they go blame marilyn and heroine but where were the parents at
Sabaton is the only one on this list that I have both heard of, and listened to entire albums of, and was shocked about. FFDP I love, but am not surprised to see them. Most of the other bands what I've heard from them, are absolutely fantastic!
You never heard of the one at the top spot? Metallica? Really?
@@mikepalmer2219 You might have missread something
Never cared that metal elitist hate Metallica. Or FFDP. Both got me through some really hard times. And the more they complain, the louder I'll play both bands.
There are definitely bands I don’t love on this list or even like but I agree with others on this list “LIKE WHAT YOU LIKE.”
I love everything about Ghost, but I still wouldn't call them metal. But that's okay. Dimmu Borgir has gone through many changes over the years but they are still one of my favorites of all time (Eonian is a musical masterpiece).
I'm an old metal head (52) and Dimmu Borgir is one of my all time favorites. I especially love their music with Mustis. I used to be a metal snob in my younger years but anymore, I'll listen to anything if it's good. I've really been digging on Heilung lately.
Metal is a subgenre of Rock. Every metal song is a Rock song, but not every Rock song is a Metal. Ghost is somewhere in there.
@@zvendiearschficker6664
I dont know what to call Ghost music and I dont care either. Its fantastc music not to mention their concerts. I have seen most of the Epic metal and hard-rock bands. No other band has so totally blown me away.
@@sellammar1 i think they put crack in their songs cause no other band has me this hooked
@@shupak2004 That is how I've been feeling about Opeth the past couple months. Too bad their prog rock doesn't interest me.
When Dimmu signed with metal blade their music became super polished and well produced and I personally really like it. Black metal snobs think it should sound like it was recorded on an Edison phonograph or it's selling out.
Death Cult Armageddon is one of the best metal albums of all time if you ask me.
@@MrRickstopher
Agreed
Do you mean Nuclear Blast? Or, did Dimmu recently sign to Metal Blade? I haven't listened to them since In Sorte Diaboli, since I didn't care for the last few albums. However, everything up to In Sorte was great! Skål!
- Wulf
Well given that ultra-raw production has been part of black metal since its inception, and given that most black metal sounds better with raw production versus super polished production, then yes, a black metal band that switches to glossy production is selling out.
If it isn't a blocked drain with a backing track of frying pans being abused then they aren't interested.
Concerning bands I like: I've heard hate for Metallica, A7, and DragonForce, but Sabaton was a surprise.
It was a surprise for me as well until I saw it all.
I love Sabaton
Sabaton is a Power Metal band and Power Metal as a genre gets a lot of hate. JFYI, I love Power Metal but not Sabaton so much.
Sabaton are hella corny to me but to each there own
Some of the hate might come from the fact that for a short period of time the band was considered as a nazi band, due of some problems they face with the politicians of an european country while they were on tour. Nowadays the Sabaton are nazis phrase is used as a common joke between metal circles.
Sabaton know how to put on a show.
They have amazing pyrotechnics, a tank/drum set that shoots more pyrotechnics, a full gasmask and green smoke costume for Attack or the dead men and a Red Baron Organ with a propeller.
The opening song to live shows is very energetic and they are very committed to the War/history theme
It is kinda interesting that there is no Nightwish in the list. I listen to a lot of metal, niche to mainstream, whatever I like. And Nightwish is consistently the band where other metal fans are surprised that somebody wo also likes "real metal bands" would also enjoy a lot of the stuff Nightwish does. When mentioning I was at one of their concerts with my girlfriend it is always assumed I just went there because of her, which says a lot and is not true at all.
Honestly, sometimes we want quality songwriting (exactly like Nightwish) over guys that crank their amps to 15 and can't play slow
It's strange how Epica doesn't get the hate Nightwish does, especially considering Epica literally started because Simone Simons idolized Tarja Turunen in her teens.
Really? I know a lot of metalheads who love Nightwish & are also fans of Tarja Tururne & Anette Olson. When I saw Tarja Live a few years ago at El Rey Theater in LA I saw a few thrasher metalhead guys at the concert & no they didn't go with their girlfriends. I will say this though two of them were pretty drunk & rude. And they screamed pretty rude pervy comments to Tarja while she performed. She even looked a bit uncomfortable & one of her guitarists looked upset because they also made a rude comment about him.
Reminds me of that one dude i met at a big festival. He was easily the most elitist shithead i've ever met. He was in the Tent-Camp right next to us and had a Jacket that was so full of Band patches there was not a piece of fabric left visible. When we sat down with them and drank some beer and talked about the upcoming bands he unironically stated: "Nah i'm not gonna go to the Slayer Gig, they are way too commercial". And elaborated on how he only listens to small almost unknown bands and would stop listening to bands if they became successful. Dude was the worst Hipster i've ever met.
Posers are worse
Slayer too commercial? Ahahahahah.
Reminds me of a buddy from high school back in the mid 90s who was a huge Korn fan when they only had 1 album out and got a lot of people to check them out. Well, everyone he mentioned them too lived what they heard and he then started saying he didn't like them anymore due to knowing more people that knew and liked them so he said he didn't like sell outs. I mean dude, he was the one p=omoting them yet a few people started to listen then he stopped. What an idiot.
@@CONSOLETRUTH2 dude, Slayer is insanely commercial.
My friend does that. I know it's cool to find that gem that not known to many,but man I just want to enjoy the music I like
Lmao he wants his fav bands to b poor
I enjoy Ghost. Their music has gotten lighter and catchier over the years, which probably makes elitists even more upset. Honestly, people should stop caring whether or not a band or artist qualifies for a certain genre and worry more about whether or not they like the music. I don't care whether or not Ghost is metal, I just enjoy listening to them. If I didn't enjoy listening to them, I simply wouldn't. No need to bitch about it.
Exactly. Plus they put on a fantastic live show. Music should be entertaining no matter what genre you listen to.
They're pretty good. Look like Kiss. Sound like Abba. Not a bad combination.
Ghost is a mildly heavier version of Blue Oyster Cult
@@drumsofviolence definitely a lot of BOC influence in there.
Gotta say I was thoroughly surprised to see Sabaton on this list...
I mean, they are my favorite band so I definitely have a bias, but I've never heard anyone say anything negative about them.
I've seen them live last month and it was the greatest night of my life. The amount of energy they have is unbelievable, they're all super nice to their fans and they're just...well, perfect (in my humble opinion at least ;) ).
Plus, their lyrics are historically accurate and their songs really do help with learning history...
But of course, that's just my opinion.
Edit: I should probably mention that not all of their songs are about wars and other historical events and people. Their 2007 album "Metalizer" doesn't include a single song about war. They even have a song about LOTR on that album ffs...
I've always disliked when bands were referred to as "sellouts" because it's literally being upset that a band you like gets success, a broader fanbase, a better record deal, etc. If you're upset that a band you like does well, you're a miserable ass that wants anything you try to associate with to wallow in misery along with you.
As much as I agree with u because I used that same “sellout “ logic in younger years. I’ve evolved to just realize that I just quit appreciating what they turned into since I started liking them for a specific reason. Most immediate example that comes to my preferences is Slipknot. Still respect them, still talented as fuck, but absolutely fell in love with the first 2 albums. After that, it seemed like they turned into Stone Sour
@@bospurgeon1039 There's nothing wrong with not liking their more recent stuff. Just like there's nothing wrong with Slipknot slowly changing their music over time to change with how they've changed as individuals. I have nothing against no longer enjoying what a band does, but I am against people trying to put them down because they don't like them anymore. Just let them be and go enjoy something else. There's tons of bands with little notoriety that absolutely rock in the best ways possible that are fun to discover. I remember when Jinjer came out with Pisces and a bunch of reaction channels reacted to them. I'd been listening to them for a few years at that point was it felt good to see them hit that mountain of success. I don't think they're sellouts for it. They'd been putting in hard work for many years and finally got the payoff they deserved.
@@chasm9557 I agree 100%. It was easy to call Metallica sellouts after the Black album, and I still struggle with it cuz they were my first love in thrash, but then it wasn’t thrashy all of a sudden. I’m probably one of a handful of people who approached St Anger as a song, but not the album. The lyrics hit me differently. Their newer stuff seems to lean retro, but I guess it was just a fleeting moment in time
@@bospurgeon1039 No dude just no. I respect your opinion but they sound nothing like Stone Sour. Being more melodic doesn't mean they sound like Stone Sour
Pretty much every nu-metal band was getting tons of hate from metal elitists in the late-90’s/early-00’s (often being derisively called “mallcore,” because they couldn’t handle the genre being given the “metal” label). Even now-highly-regarded bands like Slipknot and Deftones were HATED by the metal gatekeepers at the time (“Go listen to Iced Earth if you want REAL metal!!!!!!”).
Also, Megadeth, In Flames and even Slayer have gotten hate from metal elitists for going in a more mainstream direction at some point in their careers.
True. Even big names in metal that are cherished have gotten elitists coming after them.
In Flames... My husband, his friends and his brother have all listened to and loved In Flames for a long time. What I had heard of them I wasn't all that fond of; then I heard them, live, when I had a full-blown migraine attack - worst combo ever. After that I refused to listen to them. A couple of years later my husband played a great song that I couldn't get out of my head. It was In Flames - Deliver Us. So great.
But oh boy did some people really hate that whole album. One would think they were used to the band switching up their genre every now and then, but nope. Lots of people loved it, but some elitists truly hated it. Accused the band of going mainstream, of course. It was all so ridiculous.
I think the problem is the punk elitists killed punk and now those kind of people came over to metal. I was going to say that they're like the woke assholes who just go around ruining everything but they are literally the same people.
I was around for the release of South of Heaven and it caused a shit storm at the time. ANYTHING following Reign in Blood was going to be scrutinized to hell and back but SoH just went and said, "Fuck it." Now, it is revered ALMOST as much as Reign and completely on par (or slightly above) with Seasons.
I saw Dragonforce live in 2008. And I can confirm they definitely play their own instruments. Because they sounded awful lol.
However, they have gotten SO MUCH BETTER live since.
Yeah, they got better techs, quit playing so drunk and have a singer that doesn't smoke heavily. Success from being more well known after Guitar Hero killed their rep but.... early shitty TH-cam videos of only catching the worst of the worst didn't help either
I remember my friends seeing them live around that time (I think maybe a year or two later) and thinking they were bad too. It's no wonder the "computer music" rumors took hold.
Their playing has definitely improved, I just say them live not too long ago and they were fucking great, high energy crowd too. The thing is that they don't take themselves very seriously either, which makes it really hard for the elitists to really get to them. How are you gonna sit there and seethe over a band that is completely aware of and onboard with their meme status?
GHOST is one of the most entertaining bands I have ever seen. Never been a purist. Listen to what I like. Got dragged to a Prince concert one time. Glad I went. He rocked.
I love most of these bands. In fact, I'm going to a Ghost concert tonight, and I know I'll have a great time. I don't understand the elitists' stance. Who died and made them the gatekeepers of metal? I even got called out for 'not being metal' because I was drinking wine at a metal festival instead of beer. I don't like beer, but I like metal. Who decides those things are mutually exclusive? Just let people enjoy the things they enjoy, you sour, angry people.
Just don't take your wine to a mosh-pit. Other than that it should be ok to drink wine at a metal concert.
You can tell those people have a ton of insecurities and manifest them into being the most full-of-themselves mfs possible
@INTERITUS uh oh guys one of em found their way here 😒
@INTERITUS what music are you even referencing? And what is your standards for “good” metal?
@SCANDINAVIAN cry more
Personally I love metallica. Every song, album, era. Doesn't matter. The music isn't just about the sound, it's about the message. The meaning. The emotion.
Lulu?
@@vietnamd0820 ok I'll admit I haven't listened to it lol
@@vietnamd0820 I am sure it is respectable in its own right XD
@@vietnamd0820 also.... I completely forgot about it
@@americanthundergod9749
It’s here on TH-cam if you want to check it out…without the vocals, it sounds great…with the vocals, 🤦🏻♂️
It felt kind of weird seeing Dimmu Borgir on that list. I absolutely remember back in 2003 them being a group that was hated from both sides of the spectrum. Fans of more “mainstream” metal at the time thought they were just some garbage band you’d find one copy of their cd at the local music store. Fans of more extreme or underground metal thought they were some garbage band selling “extreme” to the suburban mall kids. 5FDP and BFMV I never cared for, but they don’t deserve to be hated for what they aren’t. Being unoriginal/formulaic or chasing trends aren’t necessarily bad things. Change is inevitable, but sometimes (paradoxically) holding on to the way you are or how you do things really is the best way to go.
I like them. I want them to put me in the choir and play with an orchestra. I'd also like to be in sleep token's choir too. I just want an excuse to wear cloaks and paint my face
the original Black Metal purists really hate the second wave like Dimmu Borgir Cradle of Filth and Satyricon for some reason if you like Mayhem Bathory Venom and Burzum your supposed to hate them
Until recently I had no idea metal heads hate Ghost. I've been listening to metal for over 30 years and love me some Ghost! And not metal? Apparently people don't realize metal's history. Metal didn't begin in the 80s people!
This was a good list and definitely needs a part 2.
A few bands that I've heard cop flack from metal elitists;
Disturbed for basically being a glorified cover band even though they have plenty of good material of their own.
Alestorm for being a gimmicky band with pirate metal.
Nickelback for whatever reason they have (though technically I think they're rock but jury is out on that)
Skillet for the fact that they're a Christian metal band and that religion shouldn't be allowed in metal.
Personally 3 of the 4 bands i mentioned I'm a fan of and I can even tolerate some of Nickelback's material but when it comes down to it as one person said in the comments like what you like in music but I'd also add that if you're not willing to take constructive criticism of your favourite bands don't dish it out too others either.
Totally agree with you on Disturbed and Alestorm.
Nickelback due to turning out stripper rock song after stripper song
@@geoffreyprior8931 not going to deny that or trying to defend them either as i said i don't mind a few of their songs but they do fall into the category of hated by rock/metal elites.
@@TwistedDonners they are such easy targets to hate by metal heads.
Actually owned their first album. It had some good songs on it.
@@geoffreyprior8931 they do kinda bring on the hate themselves to be perfectly honest lol.
Metallica is the band that has been making me process through the last thirty years that artists need to change and that it is ok to love one period of a bands life and then learn to let go of the feeling of betrayal when they move onto something else they have to go explore. Through interviews, I have regained much of my respect for them and have understood that my fear of change and resistance to letting go were the real problem and it was my problem. I still do not like their Music much since the self titled album but now I understand that artists make whatever art they need to make when they make it, and I can respect that.
Well fucking said.
Some bands can make the same music year after year. Some can't. They feel stagnant if they do. They feel the need to evolve. You can either evolve with them, evolve yourself on another direction or stay the same and let them move on.
Bullet for My Valentine are talented musicians who often get grouped generically with crappy hard rock acts but I think they are great. Scream Aim Fire is a solid album with great riffs and musicianship.
I think Bullet were always lumped in with the so-called "emo" bands in the late 00s due to their image.
Absolute nonsense, of course. But it was definitely a thing from the elitist lens.
People who think Bullet sucks haven't listened to their first 5 albums and if they did they're hating on them just to be cool....Tears don't fall, Scream Aim Fire, Waking the Demon, Fever, The Last fight are bad? Yeah right LOL
@@xATown23xGaming yeah those are pretty bad lmao. some folks just really hate metalcore/emo, and that's ok. I personally can't stand any punk influences in metal, it ruins it.
As for Ghost today
metal/rock fans went from hating them to gatekeeping them because they got popular on Tiktok due to Marry on the Cross blew up.
Yeah same thing happened with Sonne by Rammstein (I even made an anti-gatekeeping comment on TH-cam albeit also serving as a friendly warning that it’s a bit of an atypical song from them). Not saying TikTok is good mind you, but it’s sadly the laws of the universe that if anything gets popular people will be embarrassingly protective of it. Weirdest one being Americans that act like it’s this underground thing which most Europeans respond with “are you serious?”
I’m a recovering metal elitist and avenged sevenfold and dragon force both got me from pop punk to metal and made me want to git gud at guitar.
Then I heard between the buried and me, the faceless, and born of Osiris….that’s when I became an elitist.
I’ve recovered since then and now create/listen to music of all genres.
How would you classify Sublime - Ebin?
I thought I was well versed with music but I can't find anything else like it even though it sounds familiar. If you know any similar songs or the genre I'd love that ❤️
@@AlaniLTD check out rx bandits
@@Jasonmakesvideo Far from it
But I'm loving this, feels very nostalgic and they have some great progressive tracks. Decrescendo in particular is my favourite so far.
BMTH's 2020 EP "survival horror" recaptured my teenage years perfectly. Playing survival horror games like silent hill, resident evil & the last of us. Musical styles reflecting the early 2000's like Linkin Park, Evanescene and even digital sounds that reminded me of Beyblade and Yu-gi-Oh. The collabs on that EP were also excellent
As a metal fan from a small town in India it was hard to hear any different form of music other than Bollywood and whatever MTv would throw at you in the 90s & 2000s. Metallica was the gateway band because they were played on Indian TV and cassettes were available of their music. Sell out or not Metallica has done a great service towards metal in bringing in new fans or any band that decides to " sell out". It's better financially for the band and gets more people interested (quality of music is another discussion).
Yep Metallica was the big one that brought the main stream people over to heavy metal. Metal never used to be heard on tv or the radio or as backing tunes for new stories etc. Metallica literally changed that. The big jump in popularity of heavy metal all those years ago is thanks to Metallica.
I’m 54…I love metal more and more. I have no room to judge anyone. I love Opeth, some people like K-Pop…whatever gets you through the day.
I love Avenged Sevenfold and Five Finger Death Punch, these 2 bands were what got me into metal in the first place, if it weren't for them I would have been stuck into rap, pop, country, etc.
Same goes here! I actually got tattoos from both bands to mark that part of my life, aswell as the introduction to metal for me. I get why FFDP gets hate, but personally i don't think they deserve the bitter end of appreciation. Especially now that they have Andy James and Charlie Engen.
I am 47 and have been into metal since the 80's. I grew up with Black Sabbath, Testament, Metallica, Slayer, Pantera, Megadeth, Sepultura, etc. They inspired me to become a drummer over 30 years ago.
With that said I think A7X and Five Finger Death Punch are both awesome bands.
same, a7x, bfmv, and metallica got me into metal
@@maxlanees6426 wow it must be great to be so stupid that you gotta brag about your fu45ing tats , what a clown
FFDP made two amazing albums in the beginning but they have been pretty bland the last couple. That Offspring cover they did is horrible and even The Offspring made their own slower remix that was way better. Immense talent and they could definitely do better, but I still listen to FFDP.
When someone says they love metallica and say that enter sandman is their favorite song...makes me cry every time
Dimmu Borgir is one of the few Black Metal bands I thoroughly enjoy. The vocals don't sound terrible. Production doesn't sound like it was recorded with a $5 Dollar General camera. Me being a fan of Mushroomhead and Nine Inch Nails, I LOVE the synthesizer and keyboards in Dimmu Borgir's music. Doesn't matter how much money a band has. The music they put out is the most important factor.
They've been saying Dimmu sold out since EDT because they sang in English. Then they said they sold out when they released PEM because of the solos, clean vocals, and cover songs. Then they said they sold out when Progenies of the Great Apocalypse became an Mtv hit. They've always got new reasons to sh*t on Dimmu. To me, the only good reason to sh*t on them is that they haven't released a good album since In Sorte Diaboli, which I was not really a fan of.
I met Astanuu in 09. He's an Aussie. He went by an alias but we frequented around the same circles and someone said he was Astanuu and I gushed about how much of a fan I was. We got to talking and he said post In Sorte Diaboli that they got maybe one more album in them and that's it. He was kinda right. I haven't listened to an album since then and I don't know many fans who have hung on either.
@@juliangrant9718 That's fair. I'm not the biggest fan of their newest album. But I really liked ABRAHADABRA. In terms of Black Metal, I've been loving what Dark Funeral has released.
@@VileSinner666 that was the last album I heard they released. And that was around 2010, I think. I couldn't name their latest one. I see music videos floating around but I'm too afraid to watch them. I don't want to hate it.
@@juliangrant9718 Huge fan of the Ritualist, banging song.
@@VileSinner666 alright, I'll check it out.