Fred was a marketing genius. Not only did he own the rights to Limp Bizkit merch but he also owned the rights to “Fuck Limp Bizkit” which were sold on hats and shirts in the 2000s so he made money off both his fans as well as his haters.
@@_refusing_humanityAJ Mack - I think for me personally hearing the likes of Linden Park etc. and being a wrestling fan and hearing the type of music that I was into really opened me up more to rock rather than Ust hearing the My rents classic rock and Indy collection.
Tools undertow album came out 1993, which isn't "nu metal" but has a lot of aspects--- syncopated drums, groove based low tuned riffs Obviously they strayed into other time signatures and don't rap etc... but its worth noting metal like this existed Even "sad but true" by metallica 1990 had a groove metal almost nu metal sound th-cam.com/video/MgVoZcPIPqI/w-d-xo.html
Just wanted to give a shoutout to Max Cavalera from Sepultura/Soulfly here, he came from the old school thrash metal scene but embraced new metal instead of shunning it.
He hasn't released anything nu metal related since 2004 but he says the next Soulfly album is gonna hit back at that sound. So he embraced this sound twice, let's see how it goes 🔥
Yeah but Soulfly were real metal man. Max does rule!!! He embraced it all till Killswitch Engage! lol I was reading an interview and he’s old like me and unfortunately we used to use the word gay as a negative adjective and he was saying about Killswitch “I was like ‘what the fuck is that? That’s gay!” Bahahahaha. The damned editor wouldn’t take it out. We are from a different time it’s not right but when you say a word so often for so many years it slips out! It sucks but it does! Anyways poor guy and I REALLY think after this Farewell tour, you’ll see Max and Igor in a Sepultura reunion. I have zero doubt.
@@matthieurenaudet8960 Are talking about early Soulfly or their later stuff? They changed to a more thrash/groove oriented sound at around 2005 (the song frontlines is a great example of that, it sounds like early Sepultura).
People say nu-metal was rejected by the old guard (which is true) but nu-metal bands didn't claim to be metal either. They called themselves Alternative bands.
Yep. And alternative stations of the times played them on air. Regular stations didn't. Gen Z weren't around yet so they don't have a basis to make claims.
I would argue that’s only because “Alternative” Rock was essentially co opted by the Grunge scene at the time. If “Nu-Metal” is a term that was retroactively chosen to describe every band mentioned in this video, there’s a reason for it - it just fits. In the 2000s, when this stuff dominated air time on radio stations, no one ever called it Alternative, but gave it mocking nicknames like “Generic Rage” or “Pop Metal”.
@@DiscoDashco bro, "nü-metal" is punk, not metal. It doesn't even sound like metal. It sounds like hardcore that is toned down for the masses, and mixed with hip-hop elements. A better title for the genre would be something like "altcore" or "punk-hop" or "alternative rap-rock"
Being there at the start of Nu Metal was great for me and my friend. So many concerts, fun, cool people. I had a blast. But as a rock loving African American female, i never felt out of place in concert spaces...at least for me it was always fun and i met a ton of cool people back then.. cool vibes for me. Other black kids would look at me weird and call me an oreo because i listened to rock music and came to school in wearing fannel shirts and jnco jeans... So for me going to concerts and getting to see a mix of kids white and black enjoying the music singing and rocking out together...I felt comfortable that i could be myself and enjoy the music i loved ( and still do to this day)
Nu-metal had a crazy amount of black (and Hispanic and Asian) support. It was truly a scene for everyone and bridged a lot of cultures and music genres to create something that united everyone for a few short years. I miss that sense when a scene had room for everyone. For all of the criticisms about nu-metal being an ugly sound, the scene it created was beautiful.
Same girl I was called an Oreo as well and I still go to rock shows and there are few if any black people there but I'm there for same reason as everyone else - the music, not my skin color. No one cares we all just have a great time
I was a white dude that grew up in a predominately black neighborhood in the 80s and 90s, so most of my friends were black, and needless to say, I was the only one that listened to metal. But, I was a sponge when it came to music, so I also listened to and enjoyed hip hop. Of course there was the stigma during that time that metal was devil music, and even some of my friends would ask me if AC/DC was satanic, lol. That was when I would take them to school. I remember one time I played "Dope Beat" by Boogie Down Productions and told them, that's AC/DC. If that's devil music then so is BDP. Then I played "She Watches Channel Zero" by Public Enemy and told them, "That's Slayer." Metal and hip hop has always gone hand in hand, so when Anthrax and Public Enemy collabed, and when Ice T came out with Body Count, and of course when Korn's first album came out, it was a natural progression of people who grew up in the 80s and 90s who were fans of both metal and hip hop. For me, it started with the above bands, but even before Korn came out, there was still hip hop influenced hardcore like Biohazard and Downset. NYHC definitely had an urban feel to it, especially with gang vocals, so that really laid the foundation for Nu Metal to become a thing. Plus, you can't leave RATM out of the conversation, even if they would rather we did, lol. Of course eventually Nu Metal would catch on, and it would get watered down for the masses, which is why a lot of us didn't really follow along with Limp Bizkit and Korn, plus the wave of terrible (in my opinion) mainstream bands like Saliva, POD, Crazy Town, etc. It kind of became a caricature of itself, much like glam metal and thrash metal before them. However, there were still amazing underground bands like Snot, Spine, Kilgore, Nothingface, etc that were still killing it. It's funny when the press wants to bring race into it, when Nu Metal was anti-racism. We were the generation that moshed at Cypress Hill shows. Played rap music in between sets at metal shows, and wrote songs of anti-racism.
This video just made me think of that old episode of Beavis and Butthead, where they were watching a Korn video, and Beavis got all dizzy and went into a pseudo-intellectual music critic's rant about Korn. It was in my opinion, one of Beavis' finer and most entertaining moments.
I think Pantera was overlooked here as their groovy style of metal went against many thrash conventions and surely had a huge impact of later Nu Metal bands.
@@DropdownDropdown Like it or not, they absolutely influenced nu metal lmao. Their groove, hip hop-ish inspired phrasing and choruses, and overall more casual/urbanized image was a big factor in how metal started changing in the 90s.
I remember in highschool when that first Korn album came out it was huge in Riverside CA. Everybody was listening to it. Korn, ICP, Deftones, Marilyn Manson that was the sound of the Inland empire in the late 90's.
What's up.. from Orange County... I never got into the music...but I could recognize it for being New.. A new style.. unique to itself... Like what you want... I also called this era and bands.. Monster Truck Metal...
I absolutely love when you bring it back to a "can't we all get along", "we all love music, right" sort of lesson! Especially, when it involves interesting psychological concepts. That's why I love the channel. Awesome video!
@@morning_staar Hopefully, you're joking ;). If not, the fact that you have to ask how to get along with someone on a subjective and recreational topic where you disagree speaks volumes. There was a time where I was very concerned with labels. Concern with which category random people place you in- that's a surefire way to have a bad time. When you can exist and converse without concern for your labels, you'll have a lot more fun.
@@jacobholler5534 no problem bro, you can enjoy nu metal as much as you like but i don't like it and if someone asks me about metal music i wont recommend them nu metal thats for sure :P
I loved nu metal when it started. Korn, Deftones, Sevendust, Coal Chamber, etc. But just like all genres, at some point the record labels started manufacturing copycats of these bands and they killed the genre. It happened with grunge and it happened with pop punk and so forth.
Mid 90s teen here, and nu metal was, and still is, amazing. A lot of us grew up with thrash metal, hair metal, and grunge. While those were still around in the 90s, it's felt like we didn't have our own sound until nu metal. 16 year old me was all over KoRn, Orgy, Limp Bizkit, Deftones and so on. A lot of it still holds up today, and I still regularly listen to these bands. Some are even still really consistent with the quality of music they put out. Deftones being a stand out. So there's definitely a longevity to the genre that might've not been expected. It made history and changed metal and that to me is just proof of how important it really was.
Have been a homeowner for 10+ years It’s still rent, your landlord is just the bank vs a person. Both have the ability to send a sheriff to your home to kick in you out if you don’t pay.
Maaaan, I feel like so much of certain genres like rock, country, and rap/hip hop have the most strictest gatekeepers and start the biggest hate trains. So many people are so loud about their hatred for nu-metal but when you look at the amount of streams and views and likes to a lot of the songs that are considered by in large as “cringe”, the numbers just aren’t adding up. I’m calling BS on most of those people hopping on the hate bandwagon.
Why do you care so much about what other people think? Listen to nu metal if you enjoy it. But stop assuming that people who have a different taste than you are just "jumping on a hate bandwagon" or something. They're not, they just don't like the sound of nu metal. They're not "gatekeeping" you, they just don't share your taste in music. They don't have to if they don't want to.
@@frankvandorp2059 Because we all just got done watching Zakk Wild, an amazing metal guitarist, jump onto the hate bandwagon. Most of us were also alive when the hate began and remember how people in their 20's and 30's back then were acting like grandpas and somehow they still are.
@@TheRiddleSpinner That doesn't answer why it matters so much to you what other people think of your music. If you listen to it because you enjoy it, why would you need the approval of outsiders?
@@frankvandorp2059 It doesn't really matter. A whole bunch of people tried to shit all over the music we liked and we responded to what they said. No amount of grandpa whining is going to change my music taste. For one thing I've heard what they respect as music, their opinions aren't worth much, but when someone genuinely good (like Zakk Wild) joins in, it gets annoying.
Dude, such a good vid. The one thing I've really appreciated about this channel (and your eponymous) is recognizing gatekeeping tendencies. Even in my 30's I was having stupid reactions/opinions to different music, and vids such as this have helped put perspective and made me recognize those foolish, inane barriers. Keep it up!
The most trippy part of this is I just finished writing an essay on populist rhetoric and one of the devices we were discussing was “in-group vs out-group”, and it just tripped me out to hear you mention it in this video!
I hope the essay involved an in-depth analysis about how ingrained power structures (inside and outside of government) work to put opposition views into out-groups that they predefine to rob them off legitimacy.
this video was so much about nu-metal that it almost wasn't about nu-metal anymore, but instead about something way more profound and important!thanks for the video and the wholesome message! as always have a nice weekend and stay rad!!
I'll be 39 this year, nu-metal was the soundtrack to my teen angst into adulthood. I remember it falling out of favor and I had no idea that it resurged in popularity until I watched this. Your videos always give me the best nostalgia 💜
So I came up in the early 2000's skate punk scene, but I always did stuff my own way - didn't really look like the typical skatepunk and was often teased by my fellow skate punks. And that struck me as a betrayal of the punk idea of rejecting norms and letting people be themselves. Punks had just constructed new norms to limit people. That was the beginning of my live-and-let-live approach to music and art in general. I stopped shitting on emos, I stopped cringing at nu metal bands, and I didn't get on the juggalo hate bandwagon. Make no mistake, these genres are not my vibe, but the stuff I'm into is not someone else's vibe. I want to be left alone to love what I love, so I leave others alone. As a great man once said: "I don't want to preach, but I would like to see metal become more of a united thing. I'm tired of people breaking things down into categories like thrash metal and death metal. I think people tend to stick to one category, and I want people to support all kinds of bands, whether it be Slayer or Queensryche or Death. I miss the days when it was acceptable to listen to everything from Priest and Maiden to Slayer and Venom." -Chuck Schuldinger
I had a roommate in college whose motto was, "punk is what you make it." He introduced me to subgenres of punk I didn't know existed, and he loved them all.
Oh please. This whole if you use Temu. China can steal your info crap is so friggin ridiculous. Newsflash, if you're shopping on Temu, you're not worth China's time. I'm worthv mid 7 figures and still shop on Temu.
I had no older siblings or cousins to introduce me to music. After buying pop records and what was on TRL, when I turned 12 and Limp Bizkit came out they were for sure almost the ONLY band I listened to. For 2 years, until Blink came out and Limewire searches of the bands they thanked in their liner notes changed my life.
The smug “I’m too good/smart to like this” criticism that Nu Metal got from critics sounds almost identical to the whining that the grunge folks used to do about the hair bands. The cycle always repeats itself.
@@microchrist6122 it was a girl and she passed away 2 years ago during covid so even if she was a threat it's gone now. But she was just as surprised as me
The part that made this video great for me was the last bit about outgroup bias, glad that you analyze these things from a psychology and we get to learn something new. Thanks a bunch!
That was the worst part of the video. "People have a different taste in music than me, therefore there must be something psychologically wrong with them that causes them to be judgmental against my group." No, we just have different tastes. I don't like nu metal because I hate how it sounds. I don't give a damn about "groups" or "scenes" or "subcultures" or any of the other non-music related stuff this guy seems to care so much about.
SAME, i heard korn like late 93 early 94. a Buddy of mine somehow got a fucking demo tape or someshit they had. Then i remember when the album dropped we all got it. I dont know people who hated it, it blew the fuck up, sold more then any other metal band out there. Started selling out arena's. Shit was nuts. Im sure hardcore thrash metal heads didnt like it, but for quite a few years, they were huge.
Nu-Metal has and always will be my favorite Metal Sub-Genre. S.O.A.D, KoRn, Slipknot, Deftones, Drowning Pool(Sinner album especially), Staind(atleast early on), Adema(with Mark Chavez), Static-X, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Mudvayne, P.O.D and atleast a dozen more are all some of my favorite artists ever, and always will be. It has energy, passion, very diverse sounds(seeing almost none of those bands I listed sound exactly like one another), the fact they went against the meta of what Metal was at the time deserves it's own credit for sure, and just has crazy levels of grit. Cool video dude. 🙏🔥
@@CuteAnimalVideos2580 Yeah, were always one of my favorites. Maybe not as successful as Mark Chavez's half brother Jonathan Davis and KoRn was, and sadly left after the first 2 (3 if counting the Immortal EP) projects and after that I stopped following their new releases as the new singer wasn't my thing. Would recommend checking out the first few projects of theirs again, they still hold up as well. 🙏🔥
I feel like the genre of Nu Metal is so open to interpretation that it makes it hard to put it in a box and judge people who listen to it. For instance, Mudvayne, Linkin Park, and Rob Zombie sound so completely different, but they're all in the same genre. Meanwhile, other genres and sub-genres of music have a very set sound.
Exactly. All of the bands from that era basically have their own sound and a unique one at that. Incubus sounds nothing like SOAD. Mudvayne sounds nothing like Limp Bizkit but they all got lumped in together due to the era. Most creative time in the history of metal. All of the top tier bands especially have totally unique sounds.
Grunge had a similar thing with its sound. Almost no 2 bands had much sound in common. It was more a general feeling and message. Ironic that a genre like metal, which was supposed to be about freedom and expression, became so homogenized that anything out of the norm was bad. Something something you were the chosen one, you were supposed to stick it to the man, not join him.
@@balthezaar100it’s also ironic how metalheads always claim that metal is all about the music and not the image, yet, metalheads started losing their minds back in the 90s when they saw alternative and nu metal bands rocking short hair, lose fit urban casual clothing, rather than having long hair and wearing tight spandex leather pants, till this day, it’s still like that, if you wear any casual clothing like American eagle instead of a denim jacket with 1,000 band patches that you don’t even listen to on them, you’re a “poser”. I thought metal was alll about breaking rules and going against the norm? Most alternative subcultures are like that, punk, goth, crust punk, they’re all about non-conformity “freedom of expression” until you actually want to act different from the rest. They’re basically dogmatic systems at this point and have nothing to do with conformity.
@@marioncarbonell6047 tbh that's no more different than how rap fans were in the '90s, they were even more unaccepting of different people who weren't dressed exactly like them with a ballcap/sports jersey, baggy jeans/trendy shoe brands, but everyone conveniently forgets that just because they just wanted metal to become more wigger and less metal, which makes about as much sense as getting upset that rap doesn't sound more metal than it does by now. If you want to REALLY stick it to a group's status quo of standards, try wearing a "Lone Wolf, No Club" clothing item in a biker bar around some 1%er outlaw bikers for all their damn cultural gatekeeping crap lol every group has standards, and you can get offended if you weren't accepted but you're just pissing in the wind hahaha
exactly ahah and most of the thrash bands (excluding some specific cases like testament, S.T, megadeth etc who had great guitarists) were totally crap technically. Guitar heroes from the 80's all come from the hair scene for a reason.
@@myroniannyTestament are really good players, Megadeth would never stand a chance against most school bands if it wasn't for Poland and Friedman. Korn, though, are just as weak. Their music is simple enough to allow for truly seamless timing cut-and-align, that's why their studio recs sound as if they can pull it off. You open a real live show with camera audio, and Korn's “technicality” vanishes in a glance, they sound like they have no idea what drums are and why you must lock in with them perfectly (that is, in reality, play a tiny variable bit later than the drums, nothing of MIDI fashion here).
Great video! (90's kid here) The part were you explained the psychology behind everything was top notch, thank you! Also I was told to listen to the ''guitar solos'', not electronic sh@t. Maybe I was that elitist kid back then, but cmon, grow up. (Zakk Wylde was so honest and respectful and understanding) Music has endless possibilities.
Very interesting. Personally, I felt at that time that nu-metal clothing and style were also close to the skate culture that I liked, but your analysis pretty much nails it.
The psychological analysis these videos present sometimes stretch far beyond the bounds of music and alt culture scenes. When you step back you can apply it to far more than just metal and hardcore.
I dare every music fan, music lover, and even every metalhead (old-schoool, nu-school, whatever), watch Korn's performance at Woodstock 99 and not be amazed. I watched it a while back. They played an absolutely flawless set in front of 200,000 plus people. From what I gather, the crowd was so large, you could see the soundwaves travel through the ocean of people as they jumped up and down to the beat of the music. I don't know about the rest of Nu-Metal but that performance alone is one for the history books. And in many ways it says a lot about how well the music these bands made connected to the youth at the time, and why it became so popular not only in the US but internationally. It speaks truth about how disenfranchised our generation felt back then.
I remember all the nu metal hate, and I understood it, but the nu metal guys seemed to lean into that. Fred Durst seemed to kind of thrive on the hate and rode it all the way to the top.
It's interesting that Slayer did eventually take on the influence of nu metal. You can first hear it on Diabolus In Musica, where it's kind of unconvincingly welded onto their own style, but by the following album, God Hates Us All, the influence had been incorporated organically (e.g. Threshold, and the chorus of God Send Death).
Just like rage against the machine with the rap rock yetfor many years they HATED Limp Bizkit and the whole Nu metal specially the bassist of the band. which now people are kinda chill about it.
One thing everyone misses when talking about what NuMetal meant to us all.... it took away the "unachievability" of making great music unless everyone was a Steve Vai. It turned off great musicians who had great music in their head, but didnt have the same guitar skills as Kirk or Wylde. Thats what was so life changing for me because i had all this music in my head that I wanted to write but knew my music wouldnt sell because of the lack of skill. Once Korn broke, all of a sudden all my detuned music finally had somewhere to call home. It also helped to open up other musicians to join me in writing because they no longer felt like they were wasting their time working on music that wouldnt sell. They saw an opportunity for them to step up and show off because guitars no longer led everything all the time. You had a chance to do really nice groove building instead of having to use blastbeats for an hour straight.
dude crossover thrash (as opposed to regular thrash metal) was already doing that it in the '80s, see Storrmtroopers of Death (almost no guitar solos) and Method Of Destruction. Also Prong was already doing those same swaggering groove metal riffs that Korn was doing back in '92 lol
That was the only thing I ever really appreciated about the whole scene, personally. The music definitely wasn't my thing; I grew up in the Northeast US punk and hardcore scene, which was already entering its prime beatdown phase at the time, which always seemed like the authentic version of what nu metal was trying really hard to pretend to be. But I never cared much for metal in the first place, because so much if it requires so much technicality and skill that it immediately discounts most of its audience. What really made me fall in love with punk and hardcore at such a young age was how approachable the scenes were, how little there was separating the bands from the fans. Hell, getting to open at least a few shows for the band that first got you into the scene was almost like a rite of passage at a certain point. So while I personally found nu metal corny as hell, way too polished/overly produced, and just a really cheap knock off of the music I was already listening to, I never didn't see the appeal for certain folks. And wouldn't judge people for their taste in music, period. That's a really shitty thing to do to people just trying to enjoy themselves. Nu metal definitely wasn't for me, but neither were dozens of other genres blowing up around that same time. And I still had friends into most every one of those, too.
I was never ashamed of a fact that I grew up listening to Limp Bizkit in parallel with Led Zeppelin. Sometimes I would need a whole lotta love and sometimes I would just break stuff.
People can say whatever they want about Limp Bizkit, they absoulutely sucked, but "Break Stuff" is a legendary song. That song goes hard as fuck. Except the motherfucking chainsaw part, that was some pussy shit.
@@mattevans1643 they album SLAP! i don't care i'm 30 i'm old enough to say the things i feel. I was browing on youtube music and i ended up stumbling on chocolate starfish album. and bro i was JAMMING that album from the beggining till the end with so much nostalgia and missing this type of music. Yet metal community and "society" made me "hate" this shit.
Zakk Wylde said they tried to put him in a mold like Limp Bizkit to make him more Hip Hop, I'm glad he stood his ground and disregarded it but he's still a victim of change just like everyone else. He went from bell bottoms Aquanet hair and cowboy boots to looking like an Outlaw Biker.
Pretty good vid. I'm an old school metalhead. I never really got into nu-metal, but I never hated it either. To me it was just another of the many branches on the metal tree.
The funniest thing about this video title is that Metallica's "Sad But True" is actually a pre-cursor to Nu-Metal. It's based around a Groove-Metal riff, and was massively popular. I think it was a real gamechanger that set the stage for the "Groove obsession" of the 90s with a lot of bands moving to either Groove Metal or Nu-Metal.
@@laurisaarinen1126 dude metallica just slowed down what they were already playing on And Justice for All and made it simpler, Pantera was more of the true groove metal but tbh even technical thrash metal bands like Coroner went the groove metal route by '93 because more of the faster bands got sick of playing fast all the time and started to experiment more with groove along with other thrash bands like Overkill, also in '93 Metal itself had doom metal coming out in the '80s playing slow, it's just that doom metal kind of lost out somewhat to thrash because everything was getting faster and faster and moshpit culture was getting popular in the era of Jolt Cola whereas doom metal was just hearkening back to Black Sabbath and culturewise had nothing new to offer except more of the same old headbanging, even if the doom riffs were killer Alternative metal and bands like circa-'92-and-onward-era Prong whom Jonathan Davis of Korn had mentioned as an influence were more instrumental in creating the nu-metal sound, especially the more swaggery riffs that Korn played
By that logic, Metallica's "The Thing That Should Not Be" (also D-Standard tuning, also slow tempo) is a precursor to nu-metal. Which is completely bollocks.
The infighting over small differences comes from a fear that either the purity of the culture will be diluted or those with small differences may change enough to leave the group lowering their numbers and weaking the group and in an alternative music culture where it feels like you're fighting the mainstream that feels important to some people
The "nu metal" catch-all term makes about as much sense as "grunge" did. Slipknot, Korn, Deftones & SOAD sound nothing alike but were all labelled "nu metal"
It was always hilarious to me that the Thrash metal mainstays, absolutely hated Nu-Metal, when nu-metal was my gateway into metal, and I immediately latched on to Thrash metal right afterwards
Such a necessary video, Fynn! Here in Brazil at the time they would call anyone who listened to Nu Metal as Emo, because most people simply didn't have the slightiest idea of what Emo and Nu Metal was.
It was so weird to me because I grew up in rural Texas working class, I grew up listening to my parents Metallica, Megadeth, Alice In Chains, and Nirvana cassettes and as a teen listened to Static X, Korn, Disturbed, and Linkin Park. To me it was all just music. Did I dress like a nu metal Hot Topic kid? Yes, yes I did and I’d get so much hate when I would go to the city for shows or concerts or god forbid the mall. It’s nothing special cause kids today get the same elitist shit for wearing a band shirt. It’s all just very tiring, just like what you like, even if that is just an album cover or band logo printed on a t-shirt that you don’t even know anything about. Hell there are a ton of classical paintings I appreciate yet don’t know the artist or stories of.
Weird. Everyone that I knew that liked rock, loved Nu Metal. South African here. Big fans. Still playing it now. It's definitely the groove, the recall ability on the song. A solo is difficult to recall.
Being a teenager in Mid-Missouri back in the 90s when all of this was exploding, i can say all of this rings true! It was something all of us future factory workers enjoyed together!
I'm still a huge/proud nu metal fan all these years later, still wear my KoRn tees and just saw Coal Chamber in concert for the 3rd time last summer! 🤘🤘
@@LeadMe2TheBliss It's annoying wh3en ppl say everybody hated Nu metal,, I loved it and I still do, and I really don't care what a bunch of metal heads with low self esteem issues think of my musical taste.
Hey, I stayed at home and listened to the Smiths. But I also dug Rage and Deftones. Still do. Plus, I grew up to become a journalist. Tastes vary in everything. Great vid Finn!
I was the opposite. I started with Korn, Incubus, Staind, and especially the Deftones and by 2000 abandoned it for the Velvet Underground and artists like Ziggy Stardust. After three years the formula that Korn invented became so mass produced by other second tier bands that even Korn sounded like an imitation of itself. I remember reading somewhere that Chino said the guys from Korn would always ask the Deftones to go on tour with them. And they’d always refuse, which would piss Korn off. But the Deftones said they hated the Nu-Metal label and felt it was a fad. They didn’t want to be lumped in with that scene. They didn’t see themselves as doing the same thing. They were definitely smart to distance themselves from it.
Finn, I’m sorry that you had to talk about NuMetal again…but your discussion about larger societal problems presented in this piece of history, and the educated points you share, are why I keep coming back. Not that I don’t love the genre here, (having graduated HS in 1998). But I love your psychological and economical breakdown that encourages me to be more open-minded. And I’m also a Kpop fan…thanks to my ex-wife, who is now also married to a Vietnamese person. 😅 I stan Blackpink over BTS. 🫢 But I’m an American, and Teddy Park is too. Like Fred Durst, he knows exactly what he is doing. PS: I grew up in the western Washington too. And miss it terribly. Like you, I’ve spent my life living all over the U.S. And I am extremely grateful for the perspective I’ve gained from it. Love for the fly-over states.
0:42 Nu Metal was hated by metalheads and music "critics". So, I think Emo is the most hated genre of music ever, 'cause it was hated by pretty much everybody, whether you were a rock fan or not. Any fan of any other subgenre of rock hated Emo, and fans of other genres of music that had nothing to do with rock also hated Emo. And since I was really into both Nu Metal and Emo back then, I could feel the hatred in both of them. The hatred towards Nu Metal involved racism, while the hatred towards Emo involved homophobia. I know people who got beaten up for listening to Emo music, but I don't know anyone that was physically hurt for liking Nu Metal.
That hatred for emo had nothing to do with homophobia. Emo was just seen as "for pussies" and Nu Metal was "harder". And, when comparing Dashboard Confessional and The Used to Korn and Static X, you can see why.
@@BlackHatAndy It had *everything* to do with homophobia. You have no idea how many times me, my friends and people that I didn't even know got called f@gg0t and stuff like that. If you Google search "emo and homophobia" you'll find several people talking about that, so it wasn't just a regional thing, unfortunately.
As of 2021, Korn had sold more than 40 million records worldwide. Limp Bizkit has sold an estimated 40 million albums worldwide. As of 2019, Slipknot has sold 30 million units of records worldwide. Ye, looks like it.
I remember as a teen thinking that there was always a tinge of racism and classism behind some of the more extreme Nu Metal hatred. lol I remember seeing this UK blogger calling Mike Shinoda a nu-metal n-word (hard R). I wasn't surprised though, bc it was a UK blogger...
Hey man, Great vid as usual. Your editorial running at the end of this vid is awesome. This is what sets you far far apart in quality compared to other wannabes & haters. Great work, onya 👍🏽👊🏽✌🏽
As a 90's brazilian kid who's always been into rock music, new metal introduced me to Metal (with capital "m"). I cannot complain as it changed my life forever.
One of the biggest issues i’ve ALWAYS had with metal culture/metalheads is the racism and hate towards hip hop and black culture. And the reason nu metal intentionally rebelled against that makes me just love it that much more… Also sticking it to the hipster ”tastemakers” who say you can’t combine genres, same story there. I do like the more trad. styles of metal like thrash also but MY GOD, metal fans can be insufferable.
I like Nu Metal simply because it's fun Metal to me. Just pure fun For example. I fully understand the hate Limp Bizkit get but they are a band to me that is just fun to bop my head to. Cringe lyrics.. yeah and Fred's vocals are grating but Wes Borlands Groovy riffs make the band fun for me Also I do my best to avoid metalheads online only. Metalheads in person that I've met in real life are incredibly accepting in my experience and tolerant. It's online where metalheads are insufferable But yeah. The racism AND sexism within the Metal fandom is dumb. Especially women dealing with bad body odour ridden losers asking them to name 5 songs just because they think their validation is the upmost importance. Gatekeeping toolbags always targeting women metalheads. MeTaL NeEdS GaTeKeEpErs LiKe mE.. yeah; like a hole in the head. Only thing they need is a shower and to stop being a complete a hole thinking everyone needs their validation. Irrelevant losers Also Rob Halford from Judas Priest put Slipknot self titled and KoRn Self Titled in the top 10 Favourite Metal albums of all time. Putting KoRn number 3 and Slipknot 9th. So one of the Godfathers of metal (Sometimes referred to as the metal god) literally names 2 of the biggest nu metal bands as metal... I bet gatekeepers coped hard with that. Wanting desperately to call Rob a "poser" for liking Slipknot and Korn 😂
I was very shocked when that Woodstock '99 documentary mentioned how the frat bro types all liked Korn. Where I'm from it didn't seem like the frat types like Korn, I always thought Nu Metal was mostly kind of outsider kids who didn't fit in with the frat bros and in some case some the "white trash" types. I personally thought the genre went stale around 04/05 and started gravitating more towards heavier music. I rekindled my love of thrash which I grew up listening to as a kid a bit before Nu Metal came out. I've tried relistening to Nu Metal and while I still like a small amount of it like Deftones, SOAD pre Hypnotize, and Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park I find most of it pretty bad by today's standards in the era where we saw New Wave American heavy metal and then a lot of Crossover bands starting to become the face of underground heavy metal.
Same here in Norway. Pure fans were outcasts / nomads / independents who had their own distinct identity. With that said I don’t think I’ve ever recalled any beef between any “camps”. I was more into thrash/death/black at that time but we were hanging out with people whom favoured all kinds of genres. Regardless if it was emo, prog, brutal, heavy or punk.
I have to leave a comment. Just found out of your channel couple of hours ago. The amount of work and information put on these videos is insane. I might be stating the obvious, but this is free content. Quality content. Amazing job
Aside from the image associated with nu-metal, I've noticed music snobs tend to hate genres that take inspiration from other genres. Fusion genres like ska punk, crunkcore, funk metal, etc. tend to get despised by music snobs, and since nu-metal is an amalgamation of loads of different genres, it was bound to get hated.
Many people call me a music snob, and probably, there's a reason (my degree in music, I guess). Let me explain what's wrong with nu-metal, ska punk, and many other genres “snobs” dislike. First of all, most people scream “Snobbery!” whenever they _think_ it's appropriate, not even being familiar with the meaning of the term. But for this conversation, let's assume I'm still a snob. Second, “hatred” towards ska punk etc. isn't for amalgamation, but for the utter simplicity of this music. Ska punk can be challenging to play, that's for sure, but the music itself is 3 or 4 chords in a typical I - V - III - VII major loop and literally one of the three typical drum/bass lines. Same goes for Nu Metal, although these guys often get away with two fifths on the tonic and II Phrygian. That's also why genres like punk, minimal techno etc. get their “hatred”: there's a lot of sound design and aggressive noise, but barely any music. Third, if you wanna get deeper into the “amalgamation” thing: we “the snobs” like it a lot, but instead of bland mass marketed three-chord BS, we prefer really musical shit like jazz/rock fusion, prog or math metal, funk, good old baroque classical, and everything around and in between. That said, I am a professional bass player who mostly plays and writes “non-snob” music genres. Apparently, it's better for my wallet than doing music I truly like.
@@alexeypolevoybass Simple doesn’t equal bad. And there is lot more to music than having complex arrangements. You can like what you like but don’t pretend like you have better taste just because you have a ” degree in music” that’s the kind of shit that makes people call you a snob.
That last comparison to people judging everyone based on minor differences really hit home today. Today at work our entire crew discovered we judged people on 3 criteria. You either hold a culinary degree (good/bad), you are in your position based on experience (good), or you have a culinary certificate (fucking awful).
My mother had a go at me for listening to Rammstein, claiming it was noise and not music. My reply was 'it is music it's just not her music' and I think that applies to any genre of music you choose to listen to.
Yup I remember in high school, there was a huge divide between the "purist" who listened to the "big 4" ( metallica, megadeath, anthrax and slayer) and us "white trash kids" who listened to deftones, korn, limp bizcuit, static x etc etc. I mean we also listened to the big 4 as well and honestly I love all of it, but many fierce debates and minor fist fights were the norm from the mid 90s and early 00s at my school over this shit lol.
The Youngstown Ohio reference is appreciated. I grew up right outside of Downtown Youngstown. To add to the analogy the Youngstown kids were the ones who thought they were Tupac because a cop caught them buying weed or throwing toilet paper on the teachers house and gave them a warning.
I also remember the subgenre of Latin-tinged nu metal. Puya, Ill Nino, Forty Below Summer and of course P.O.D. and Soulfly on occasion. While I didn't really like those bands per se, I was a fan of blending jazz elements with metal so I found some of their stuff interesting. A for effort.
Any time I play "3 Dollar Bill, Y'all" at work, the most unexpected folks in the building come to me and tell me how much they loved that album. Like, the 45 y.o. head of accounts or the meek little quality assurance lady. People LOVED this ish back in the day, but they wouldn't admit it to a soul lol
Limp Bizkit was sick AF when they came out. I was a young kid, but we all followed what the older kids like and we’d blast that and Eminem when we could get ahold of the CDs. Good times!
at 42 i feel legally obligated to comment i was around during nu metal. it was honestly kind of fun time but yes also i was a teen so the obvious connections there, i played sports in hs in the 90s and had kids of different races and backgrounds on my teams and i can assure you in the weight room when a limp bizkit or korn song came on everyone in there was hype
I was there for the first time round, I was (and still am) so into most of the bands from the time. I'm happy to see kids walking around these days in Deftones shirts etc.
I'm also an old-school metalhead who didn't get nu-metal, this was very informative for me. Recently I lived for some time in Thailand, where metal isn't popular at all. I was regularly going to a rock bar in Bangkok. It was usually not very quiet when traditional metal bands were playing, but was always packed when nu-metal bands were playing. This was very interesting for me, apperantly nu-metal found a following even in a place like Thailand.
I went to highschool in the late 90s and early 2000s and Nu-Metal was very popular with the people I hung around. I was always more partial to industial but I definitely had my favorite songs in the genre.
Mike shinoda lyrics that were a testament to this time " The dude, he said that, like When we were making the first Linkin Park record He was like: " Before the first song that you heard me on There were people already tryin' to get me gone Tellin' me to quit rapping, "Just play the keys" That my band had a singer, they didn't need me But my band had my back so we did the tracks Put out the album and the talk went flat It was funny at first but then the humor faded When some magazines printed that our label made us We were to be good to be true Some were saying ghost writers were writing all that we do So we had to disprove it: We spelled it out to the detail how we do it when we're making this music After that I made it a rule: I only do E-mail responses to print interviews Because these people love to put a twist to your words To infer that you said something fucking absurd Oh, did I lose you at "infer"? Not used to hearing a verse that uses over first grade vocabulary words? People used to "infer" that we were manufactured Now I've got the interviews on file Which people said what, which number to dial So now every enemy screaming insanity All they're ever gonna be's another big fan of me Bitch"
Nu-metal started as rebellious in 1994 and ended up being safe in 2003. The truth is there is some really good bands in that genre that resonate through time.
As a 34 year old that went through his formative years in the late 90s and early 00s Nu Metal plus heavy doses of Grunge and post Grunge was my music life... I think it really connected with a lot of people from all walks of life from urban to suburban and rural who just wanted music that sounded cool and aggresive ... Me and a lot of my generation found OG hair and arena metal ridiculous and found a home in the more brooding and dark Nu Metal... I totally agree with your take that flyover midwesterners and southerners are hated and shit on constantly by society and "progressive writers" im orgainally from NYC and thus you would expect that I would have great acess to all kind of live music ... But the truth is for the music I like, I was way more likely to find it in Florida or Viginia or Ohio than NYC... As ive grown and learned of course I can appreciate and love more technical bands like Trivium and Amon Amarth; however there will always be a place in my heart and the hearts of millions of blue collar types.. military or ex military, Law Enforcement, firefighters, tradesmen ect for Nu Metal and the raw emotion and aggression and digestibility regardless of musical education.... F the music snobs
I was 11 when I first heard LB. The next few years everyone loved them and then all of a sudden didn’t - I never stopped and got years of ish for always backing them. The sudden love and feedback for the last album made me feel some sort of way, but now I’m just happy people give the boys the respect they deserve. LB Forever.
Nah idc what anyone says. Nu metal was the best Era of metal. I remember people hating on nu metal, but nu metal helped me get out of some dark places mentally. Nu metal will always have a place in my heart.
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Why is there a metallica song in the nu metal video in the title 🤣🤣
kinda gross
nothing but garbage
Sucks that Deftones briefly got stuck in the nu metal casket....and why is new spelled nu? Lol
Why are you taking sponsorships from gambling companies and forced labor apps? Do better.
Fred was a marketing genius. Not only did he own the rights to Limp Bizkit merch but he also owned the rights to “Fuck Limp Bizkit” which were sold on hats and shirts in the 2000s so he made money off both his fans as well as his haters.
Do you have a source for this info?
@@theTYTAN3 Your mom knows all about it, I asked her last night.
oh, like Gene Simmons of Kiss. Just ask him.
@@theTYTAN3Elvis did it too. It's nothing new pal
His stipulation for Limp Bizkit's music being used in a video game (he has to be a playable character) is my favourite. Chad businessman.
If it wasn't for nu-metal, I wouldn't have gotten into rock and metal in general at all.
Same here. It’s still not metal
AJ Mack - I listed to two genres mainly when I was young 1P) Nu-mental 2) Trance.
Same here. Started with SOAD, Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit and got to death metal etc...
@@_refusing_humanityAJ Mack - I think for me personally hearing the likes of Linden Park etc. and being a wrestling fan and hearing the type of music that I was into really opened me up more to rock rather than Ust hearing the My rents classic rock and Indy collection.
Tools undertow album came out 1993, which isn't "nu metal" but has a lot of aspects--- syncopated drums, groove based low tuned riffs
Obviously they strayed into other time signatures and don't rap etc... but its worth noting metal like this existed
Even "sad but true" by metallica 1990 had a groove metal almost nu metal sound
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I'm convinced that if Finn doesn't release a nu metal video, the sun might not rise in the morning, dooming our planet.
Could just move to the equator
I'm a nu metal fan from the epicenter time, nu metal is the reason I found Finn. Trust me way more of his videos are about Punk and alternative
Just wanted to give a shoutout to Max Cavalera from Sepultura/Soulfly here, he came from the old school thrash metal scene but embraced new metal instead of shunning it.
He hasn't released anything nu metal related since 2004 but he says the next Soulfly album is gonna hit back at that sound. So he embraced this sound twice, let's see how it goes 🔥
Everybody makes mistakes.
But he came around and is now touring with Igor playing their first 2 albums
Yeah but Soulfly were real metal man. Max does rule!!! He embraced it all till Killswitch Engage! lol I was reading an interview and he’s old like me and unfortunately we used to use the word gay as a negative adjective and he was saying about Killswitch “I was like ‘what the fuck is that? That’s gay!” Bahahahaha. The damned editor wouldn’t take it out. We are from a different time it’s not right but when you say a word so often for so many years it slips out! It sucks but it does! Anyways poor guy and I REALLY think after this Farewell tour, you’ll see Max and Igor in a Sepultura reunion. I have zero doubt.
Yeah and he shouldn't, cause Sepultura was a much better thrash tyan nu metal band and Soulfy just sucks. Personal opinion ;-)
@@matthieurenaudet8960 Are talking about early Soulfly or their later stuff? They changed to a more thrash/groove oriented sound at around 2005 (the song frontlines is a great example of that, it sounds like early Sepultura).
People say nu-metal was rejected by the old guard (which is true) but nu-metal bands didn't claim to be metal either. They called themselves Alternative bands.
Yep. And alternative stations of the times played them on air. Regular stations didn't. Gen Z weren't around yet so they don't have a basis to make claims.
Yes! I grew up believing that the heaviest things I’ve listened to were “alternative” bands. And now all of a sudden they are “metal”.
I would argue that’s only because “Alternative” Rock was essentially co opted by the Grunge scene at the time. If “Nu-Metal” is a term that was retroactively chosen to describe every band mentioned in this video, there’s a reason for it - it just fits. In the 2000s, when this stuff dominated air time on radio stations, no one ever called it Alternative, but gave it mocking nicknames like “Generic Rage” or “Pop Metal”.
@@RichardRemer "nü-metal" is a branch of punk. A better title for it would be something like "altcore" or "punk-hop" or something...
@@DiscoDashco bro, "nü-metal" is punk, not metal. It doesn't even sound like metal. It sounds like hardcore that is toned down for the masses, and mixed with hip-hop elements.
A better title for the genre would be something like "altcore" or "punk-hop" or "alternative rap-rock"
Being there at the start of Nu Metal was great for me and my friend. So many concerts, fun, cool people. I had a blast. But as a rock loving African American female, i never felt out of place in concert spaces...at least for me it was always fun and i met a ton of cool people back then.. cool vibes for me.
Other black kids would look at me weird and call me an oreo because i listened to rock music and came to school in wearing fannel shirts and jnco jeans...
So for me going to concerts and getting to see a mix of kids white and black enjoying the music singing and rocking out together...I felt comfortable that i could be myself and enjoy the music i loved ( and still do to this day)
Nu-metal had a crazy amount of black (and Hispanic and Asian) support. It was truly a scene for everyone and bridged a lot of cultures and music genres to create something that united everyone for a few short years. I miss that sense when a scene had room for everyone.
For all of the criticisms about nu-metal being an ugly sound, the scene it created was beautiful.
Same girl I was called an Oreo as well and I still go to rock shows and there are few if any black people there but I'm there for same reason as everyone else - the music, not my skin color. No one cares we all just have a great time
Hessians 😂😂
I was a white dude that grew up in a predominately black neighborhood in the 80s and 90s, so most of my friends were black, and needless to say, I was the only one that listened to metal. But, I was a sponge when it came to music, so I also listened to and enjoyed hip hop. Of course there was the stigma during that time that metal was devil music, and even some of my friends would ask me if AC/DC was satanic, lol. That was when I would take them to school. I remember one time I played "Dope Beat" by Boogie Down Productions and told them, that's AC/DC. If that's devil music then so is BDP. Then I played "She Watches Channel Zero" by Public Enemy and told them, "That's Slayer." Metal and hip hop has always gone hand in hand, so when Anthrax and Public Enemy collabed, and when Ice T came out with Body Count, and of course when Korn's first album came out, it was a natural progression of people who grew up in the 80s and 90s who were fans of both metal and hip hop.
For me, it started with the above bands, but even before Korn came out, there was still hip hop influenced hardcore like Biohazard and Downset. NYHC definitely had an urban feel to it, especially with gang vocals, so that really laid the foundation for Nu Metal to become a thing. Plus, you can't leave RATM out of the conversation, even if they would rather we did, lol. Of course eventually Nu Metal would catch on, and it would get watered down for the masses, which is why a lot of us didn't really follow along with Limp Bizkit and Korn, plus the wave of terrible (in my opinion) mainstream bands like Saliva, POD, Crazy Town, etc. It kind of became a caricature of itself, much like glam metal and thrash metal before them. However, there were still amazing underground bands like Snot, Spine, Kilgore, Nothingface, etc that were still killing it. It's funny when the press wants to bring race into it, when Nu Metal was anti-racism. We were the generation that moshed at Cypress Hill shows. Played rap music in between sets at metal shows, and wrote songs of anti-racism.
Lauren, is that you?
This video just made me think of that old episode of Beavis and Butthead, where they were watching a Korn video, and Beavis got all dizzy and went into a pseudo-intellectual music critic's rant about Korn. It was in my opinion, one of Beavis' finer and most entertaining moments.
That was one of the high points of the show. And evidence that Beavis was a lot smarter butthead and was just bullied into submission
that was the whole reason i hated Korn at first too. Cuz of that vid lol
I think Pantera was overlooked here as their groovy style of metal went against many thrash conventions and surely had a huge impact of later Nu Metal bands.
100%
thats why they are the goats
never put Pantera and Nu Metal in the same sentence.
@@DropdownDropdown Like it or not, they absolutely influenced nu metal lmao. Their groove, hip hop-ish inspired phrasing and choruses, and overall more casual/urbanized image was a big factor in how metal started changing in the 90s.
He didn't mention Rage Against The Machine either and they were the most definitive band of the era.
I remember in highschool when that first Korn album came out it was huge in Riverside CA. Everybody was listening to it. Korn, ICP, Deftones, Marilyn Manson that was the sound of the Inland empire in the late 90's.
What's up.. from Orange County...
I never got into the music...but I could recognize it for being New..
A new style.. unique to itself...
Like what you want...
I also called this era and bands..
Monster Truck Metal...
Temu and Numetal.
Finn needed that Costco run covered.
Nothing says punk rock like forced-labor sponsorships 🤘
He's better than a temu promotion. I was disappointed to see that.
Well tbh, Nu-metal kinda is metal from Temu, so it fits
Fr temu is worse than wish like wtf
@@dukejohn5608 'mu metal
"Korn was from Bakersfield, which is in California but kinda might've as well been Iowa". Has me rollin' rollin' rollin' my ass off. Touche' good sir.
"rollin rollin" What you did there, I see.
I had the displeasure of rolling through Bakersfield two summers ago, and the whole Korn thing makes so much more sense. Depressing AF.
Bakersfield is by far the worst city in California
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I absolutely love when you bring it back to a "can't we all get along", "we all love music, right" sort of lesson! Especially, when it involves interesting psychological concepts. That's why I love the channel. Awesome video!
IKR
Except Finn Mcunty hates everything European, so it’s not really true.
no cause i dont like your music so how exactly should we get along on music lol
@@morning_staar Hopefully, you're joking ;). If not, the fact that you have to ask how to get along with someone on a subjective and recreational topic where you disagree speaks volumes. There was a time where I was very concerned with labels. Concern with which category random people place you in- that's a surefire way to have a bad time. When you can exist and converse without concern for your labels, you'll have a lot more fun.
@@jacobholler5534 no problem bro, you can enjoy nu metal as much as you like but i don't like it and if someone asks me about metal music i wont recommend them nu metal thats for sure :P
I loved nu metal when it started. Korn, Deftones, Sevendust, Coal Chamber, etc. But just like all genres, at some point the record labels started manufacturing copycats of these bands and they killed the genre. It happened with grunge and it happened with pop punk and so forth.
Mid 90s teen here, and nu metal was, and still is, amazing. A lot of us grew up with thrash metal, hair metal, and grunge. While those were still around in the 90s, it's felt like we didn't have our own sound until nu metal. 16 year old me was all over KoRn, Orgy, Limp Bizkit, Deftones and so on. A lot of it still holds up today, and I still regularly listen to these bands. Some are even still really consistent with the quality of music they put out. Deftones being a stand out. So there's definitely a longevity to the genre that might've not been expected. It made history and changed metal and that to me is just proof of how important it really was.
I love comparing gate keepers to Mean Girls, it’s so fetch.
Stop saying fetch, it’s not going to happen.
Gatekeepers will hammer home that they are needed but no... no one wants or needs them.
Why are you trying to make fetch happen?
You just lost all credibility by trying to use a phrase like fetch. You should feel embarrassed and ashamed of yourself.
Do you mean Feltch or Fronch? Because "Fetch" isn't going to happen amigo...🤔
I must've watched a dozen of your Nu-Metal videos and I never get tired of them. Rock on! 🤘
looks like finn was low on rent again
Correction: nu-metal pays my MORTGAGE, not my rent ☺️
@@ThePunkRockMBA ah yes, my apologies
I thought u did it all for the nookie @ThePunkRockMBA
Have been a homeowner for 10+ years It’s still rent, your landlord is just the bank vs a person. Both have the ability to send a sheriff to your home to kick in you out if you don’t pay.
@@ThePunkRockMBA your hustle is appreciated
Maaaan, I feel like so much of certain genres like rock, country, and rap/hip hop have the most strictest gatekeepers and start the biggest hate trains. So many people are so loud about their hatred for nu-metal but when you look at the amount of streams and views and likes to a lot of the songs that are considered by in large as “cringe”, the numbers just aren’t adding up. I’m calling BS on most of those people hopping on the hate bandwagon.
Why do you care so much about what other people think? Listen to nu metal if you enjoy it.
But stop assuming that people who have a different taste than you are just "jumping on a hate bandwagon" or something. They're not, they just don't like the sound of nu metal. They're not "gatekeeping" you, they just don't share your taste in music. They don't have to if they don't want to.
@@frankvandorp2059 Because we all just got done watching Zakk Wild, an amazing metal guitarist, jump onto the hate bandwagon. Most of us were also alive when the hate began and remember how people in their 20's and 30's back then were acting like grandpas and somehow they still are.
@@TheRiddleSpinner That doesn't answer why it matters so much to you what other people think of your music. If you listen to it because you enjoy it, why would you need the approval of outsiders?
@@frankvandorp2059 It doesn't really matter. A whole bunch of people tried to shit all over the music we liked and we responded to what they said. No amount of grandpa whining is going to change my music taste. For one thing I've heard what they respect as music, their opinions aren't worth much, but when someone genuinely good (like Zakk Wild) joins in, it gets annoying.
Dude, such a good vid. The one thing I've really appreciated about this channel (and your eponymous) is recognizing gatekeeping tendencies. Even in my 30's I was having stupid reactions/opinions to different music, and vids such as this have helped put perspective and made me recognize those foolish, inane barriers. Keep it up!
The most trippy part of this is I just finished writing an essay on populist rhetoric and one of the devices we were discussing was “in-group vs out-group”, and it just tripped me out to hear you mention it in this video!
Somehow, this seems eerily-relevant to the Aaron Bushnell Embassy incident... What a time to be alive
@@rbruch98 What is that supposed to mean? Are you seriously pulling a lame centrist view on the conflict lmao
@@WinterandNoodle centrists are better described "status quo extremists who are scared of change" tbh
I hope the essay involved an in-depth analysis about how ingrained power structures (inside and outside of government) work to put opposition views into out-groups that they predefine to rob them off legitimacy.
Yes! Temu! Nothings more punk rock than forced labor in a genocide! Hell yes! This is what the Dead Kennedys made music for!
Wait till you hear about Nestle, a more accepted company that does the same thing that we are putting a side-eye :)
Had the same feeling
😂 thank you
I'm sure The Dead Kennedys never got something out of it either.
Did you post this from your iphone?
this video was so much about nu-metal that it almost wasn't about nu-metal anymore, but instead about something way more profound and important!thanks for the video and the wholesome message! as always have a nice weekend and stay rad!!
As a white dude who grew up in a trailer park, i identify a lot with Nu metal
Thanks!
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I'll be 39 this year, nu-metal was the soundtrack to my teen angst into adulthood. I remember it falling out of favor and I had no idea that it resurged in popularity until I watched this. Your videos always give me the best nostalgia 💜
Same
Middle school days
Same. I'm turning 39 in May. Nu metal is extremely nostalgic for me. Love it or hate it.
already 38 going 39 bro,nu metal was my go to with my brother during early 2000s
So I came up in the early 2000's skate punk scene, but I always did stuff my own way - didn't really look like the typical skatepunk and was often teased by my fellow skate punks.
And that struck me as a betrayal of the punk idea of rejecting norms and letting people be themselves. Punks had just constructed new norms to limit people.
That was the beginning of my live-and-let-live approach to music and art in general. I stopped shitting on emos, I stopped cringing at nu metal bands, and I didn't get on the juggalo hate bandwagon. Make no mistake, these genres are not my vibe, but the stuff I'm into is not someone else's vibe. I want to be left alone to love what I love, so I leave others alone.
As a great man once said:
"I don't want to preach, but I would like to see metal become more of a united thing. I'm tired of people breaking things down into categories like thrash metal and death metal. I think people tend to stick to one category, and I want people to support all kinds of bands, whether it be Slayer or Queensryche or Death. I miss the days when it was acceptable to listen to everything from Priest and Maiden to Slayer and Venom." -Chuck Schuldinger
I had a roommate in college whose motto was, "punk is what you make it." He introduced me to subgenres of punk I didn't know existed, and he loved them all.
Finny boi, we KNOW you can get better sponsors than a shopping app with the worst record on privacy
I appreciate his content, but watching videos about punk music while getting hit with a gambling ad is kinda fucking lame.
@@dogbert7193I think he talked about that on a video. I can’t remember tho
he down BAD
Oh please. This whole if you use Temu. China can steal your info crap is so friggin ridiculous. Newsflash, if you're shopping on Temu, you're not worth China's time. I'm worthv mid 7 figures and still shop on Temu.
I had no older siblings or cousins to introduce me to music. After buying pop records and what was on TRL, when I turned 12 and Limp Bizkit came out they were for sure almost the ONLY band I listened to. For 2 years, until Blink came out and Limewire searches of the bands they thanked in their liner notes changed my life.
The smug “I’m too good/smart to like this” criticism that Nu Metal got from critics sounds almost identical to the whining that the grunge folks used to do about the hair bands. The cycle always repeats itself.
A friend of mine once said when I expressed surprise that Korn was still around "there will always be 9th graders."
😂😂 Holy shit, that’s funny.
Well, people who listen to the same music as they did in high school will always be 9th graders
He gets older , they stay the same age… keep an eye on your friend 😅
@@smokinnplatez1426woah.....what do u listen to?
@@microchrist6122 it was a girl and she passed away 2 years ago during covid so even if she was a threat it's gone now. But she was just as surprised as me
The part that made this video great for me was the last bit about outgroup bias, glad that you analyze these things from a psychology and we get to learn something new. Thanks a bunch!
...because only metalheads have outgroup bias, right?
That was the worst part of the video. "People have a different taste in music than me, therefore there must be something psychologically wrong with them that causes them to be judgmental against my group."
No, we just have different tastes. I don't like nu metal because I hate how it sounds. I don't give a damn about "groups" or "scenes" or "subcultures" or any of the other non-music related stuff this guy seems to care so much about.
My friends and I all loved nu metal when it came out. We didn't know what it was called but we felt it, and it was amazing.
SAME, i heard korn like late 93 early 94. a Buddy of mine somehow got a fucking demo tape or someshit they had. Then i remember when the album dropped we all got it. I dont know people who hated it, it blew the fuck up, sold more then any other metal band out there. Started selling out arena's. Shit was nuts. Im sure hardcore thrash metal heads didnt like it, but for quite a few years, they were huge.
Wow so deep.
Same ❤❤
@@laurakeightley9882 Gross
Same here
Nu-Metal has and always will be my favorite Metal Sub-Genre.
S.O.A.D, KoRn, Slipknot, Deftones, Drowning Pool(Sinner album especially), Staind(atleast early on), Adema(with Mark Chavez), Static-X, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Mudvayne, P.O.D and atleast a dozen more are all some of my favorite artists ever, and always will be.
It has energy, passion, very diverse sounds(seeing almost none of those bands I listed sound exactly like one another), the fact they went against the meta of what Metal was at the time deserves it's own credit for sure, and just has crazy levels of grit.
Cool video dude. 🙏🔥
oh damn I forgot about Adema
@@CuteAnimalVideos2580 Yeah, were always one of my favorites. Maybe not as successful as Mark Chavez's half brother Jonathan Davis and KoRn was, and sadly left after the first 2 (3 if counting the Immortal EP) projects and after that I stopped following their new releases as the new singer wasn't my thing. Would recommend checking out the first few projects of theirs again, they still hold up as well. 🙏🔥
TEMU, really? TEMU is like ordering Wish on Wish.
I feel like the genre of Nu Metal is so open to interpretation that it makes it hard to put it in a box and judge people who listen to it. For instance, Mudvayne, Linkin Park, and Rob Zombie sound so completely different, but they're all in the same genre. Meanwhile, other genres and sub-genres of music have a very set sound.
Exactly. All of the bands from that era basically have their own sound and a unique one at that. Incubus sounds nothing like SOAD. Mudvayne sounds nothing like Limp Bizkit but they all got lumped in together due to the era. Most creative time in the history of metal. All of the top tier bands especially have totally unique sounds.
@@pelicanspalacex8861 100%
Grunge had a similar thing with its sound. Almost no 2 bands had much sound in common. It was more a general feeling and message. Ironic that a genre like metal, which was supposed to be about freedom and expression, became so homogenized that anything out of the norm was bad.
Something something you were the chosen one, you were supposed to stick it to the man, not join him.
@@balthezaar100it’s also ironic how metalheads always claim that metal is all about the music and not the image, yet, metalheads started losing their minds back in the 90s when they saw alternative and nu metal bands rocking short hair, lose fit urban casual clothing, rather than having long hair and wearing tight spandex leather pants, till this day, it’s still like that, if you wear any casual clothing like American eagle instead of a denim jacket with 1,000 band patches that you don’t even listen to on them, you’re a “poser”. I thought metal was alll about breaking rules and going against the norm? Most alternative subcultures are like that, punk, goth, crust punk, they’re all about non-conformity “freedom of expression” until you actually want to act different from the rest. They’re basically dogmatic systems at this point and have nothing to do with conformity.
@@marioncarbonell6047 tbh that's no more different than how rap fans were in the '90s, they were even more unaccepting of different people who weren't dressed exactly like them with a ballcap/sports jersey, baggy jeans/trendy shoe brands, but everyone conveniently forgets that just because they just wanted metal to become more wigger and less metal, which makes about as much sense as getting upset that rap doesn't sound more metal than it does by now.
If you want to REALLY stick it to a group's status quo of standards, try wearing a "Lone Wolf, No Club" clothing item in a biker bar around some 1%er outlaw bikers for all their damn cultural gatekeeping crap lol every group has standards, and you can get offended if you weren't accepted but you're just pissing in the wind hahaha
Thank you for another nu-metal video finn. I almost thought other genres of music existed
The idea that Korn isn’t technical is completely insane
exactly ahah and most of the thrash bands (excluding some specific cases like testament, S.T, megadeth etc who had great guitarists) were totally crap technically. Guitar heroes from the 80's all come from the hair scene for a reason.
Yeah monkey brought 7 string guitar into style again
And Fieldy use his bass technically as a percussion instrument, yeah they are not technical insane
@@myroniannyTestament are really good players, Megadeth would never stand a chance against most school bands if it wasn't for Poland and Friedman. Korn, though, are just as weak. Their music is simple enough to allow for truly seamless timing cut-and-align, that's why their studio recs sound as if they can pull it off. You open a real live show with camera audio, and Korn's “technicality” vanishes in a glance, they sound like they have no idea what drums are and why you must lock in with them perfectly (that is, in reality, play a tiny variable bit later than the drums, nothing of MIDI fashion here).
@@hectorrivera4005it's slapping...like in jazz.
Great video! (90's kid here) The part were you explained the psychology behind everything was top notch, thank you! Also I was told to listen to the ''guitar solos'', not electronic sh@t. Maybe I was that elitist kid back then, but cmon, grow up. (Zakk Wylde was so honest and respectful and understanding) Music has endless possibilities.
Very interesting. Personally, I felt at that time that nu-metal clothing and style were also close to the skate culture that I liked, but your analysis pretty much nails it.
Bruh not the Temu sponsorship please. Look into their sketchy CCP affiliation.
Hahahaha
That's the smallest problem with temu
Yeah, the type of shit that is currently going on in Xinjiang internment camps is a pretty decent reason not to work with them no matter their offer
CCP? what's that stand for?
@@SamaelKing-ql4co Chinese Communist Party.
The psychological analysis these videos present sometimes stretch far beyond the bounds of music and alt culture scenes. When you step back you can apply it to far more than just metal and hardcore.
To be fair his idea of Nü metal is almost any metal after 93
I dare every music fan, music lover, and even every metalhead (old-schoool, nu-school, whatever), watch Korn's performance at Woodstock 99 and not be amazed. I watched it a while back. They played an absolutely flawless set in front of 200,000 plus people. From what I gather, the crowd was so large, you could see the soundwaves travel through the ocean of people as they jumped up and down to the beat of the music. I don't know about the rest of Nu-Metal but that performance alone is one for the history books. And in many ways it says a lot about how well the music these bands made connected to the youth at the time, and why it became so popular not only in the US but internationally. It speaks truth about how disenfranchised our generation felt back then.
I can be impressed by their performance but that doesn't mean I think the material is any good.
I tell you more i dare u to say break stuff woodstokc 99 wasn't POWERFULL Fred Dust had that energy! before the breakdown!
I remember all the nu metal hate, and I understood it, but the nu metal guys seemed to lean into that. Fred Durst seemed to kind of thrive on the hate and rode it all the way to the top.
It's interesting that Slayer did eventually take on the influence of nu metal. You can first hear it on Diabolus In Musica, where it's kind of unconvincingly welded onto their own style, but by the following album, God Hates Us All, the influence had been incorporated organically (e.g. Threshold, and the chorus of God Send Death).
Just like rage against the machine with the rap rock yetfor many years they HATED Limp Bizkit and the whole Nu metal specially the bassist of the band. which now people are kinda chill about it.
One thing everyone misses when talking about what NuMetal meant to us all.... it took away the "unachievability" of making great music unless everyone was a Steve Vai. It turned off great musicians who had great music in their head, but didnt have the same guitar skills as Kirk or Wylde. Thats what was so life changing for me because i had all this music in my head that I wanted to write but knew my music wouldnt sell because of the lack of skill. Once Korn broke, all of a sudden all my detuned music finally had somewhere to call home. It also helped to open up other musicians to join me in writing because they no longer felt like they were wasting their time working on music that wouldnt sell. They saw an opportunity for them to step up and show off because guitars no longer led everything all the time. You had a chance to do really nice groove building instead of having to use blastbeats for an hour straight.
i did get pissed at metalcore coming in and burning the world out on "pop turned punk" covers because that was one of my favorite things to do.
dude crossover thrash (as opposed to regular thrash metal) was already doing that it in the '80s, see Storrmtroopers of Death (almost no guitar solos) and Method Of Destruction.
Also Prong was already doing those same swaggering groove metal riffs that Korn was doing back in '92 lol
That was the only thing I ever really appreciated about the whole scene, personally. The music definitely wasn't my thing; I grew up in the Northeast US punk and hardcore scene, which was already entering its prime beatdown phase at the time, which always seemed like the authentic version of what nu metal was trying really hard to pretend to be.
But I never cared much for metal in the first place, because so much if it requires so much technicality and skill that it immediately discounts most of its audience. What really made me fall in love with punk and hardcore at such a young age was how approachable the scenes were, how little there was separating the bands from the fans. Hell, getting to open at least a few shows for the band that first got you into the scene was almost like a rite of passage at a certain point.
So while I personally found nu metal corny as hell, way too polished/overly produced, and just a really cheap knock off of the music I was already listening to, I never didn't see the appeal for certain folks. And wouldn't judge people for their taste in music, period. That's a really shitty thing to do to people just trying to enjoy themselves. Nu metal definitely wasn't for me, but neither were dozens of other genres blowing up around that same time. And I still had friends into most every one of those, too.
Idk the first part can still be a thing for many but the other one just seems like a personal issue.
my favorite quote from peter steele " dont mistake lack of tallent for genius"
I was never ashamed of a fact that I grew up listening to Limp Bizkit in parallel with Led Zeppelin. Sometimes I would need a whole lotta love and sometimes I would just break stuff.
People can say whatever they want about Limp Bizkit, they absoulutely sucked, but "Break Stuff" is a legendary song. That song goes hard as fuck. Except the motherfucking chainsaw part, that was some pussy shit.
Hell yeah
Seriously. It's almost like you can enjoy multiple genres for what they are.
@@mattevans1643 they album SLAP! i don't care i'm 30 i'm old enough to say the things i feel. I was browing on youtube music and i ended up stumbling on chocolate starfish album. and bro i was JAMMING that album from the beggining till the end with so much nostalgia and missing this type of music. Yet metal community and "society" made me "hate" this shit.
Holy shit Finn thank god. It’s been a whole day since I’ve heard you talk about nu metal. I was about to break stuff
Hey now you don’t wanna be the first one to complain
😂😂😂😂😂😂 This just in - some people hate a genre of music! (Though of course Finn would say “everyone” instead of some people.”)
😂
nice one
Zakk Wylde said they tried to put him in a mold like Limp Bizkit to make him more Hip Hop, I'm glad he stood his ground and disregarded it but he's still a victim of change just like everyone else. He went from bell bottoms Aquanet hair and cowboy boots to looking like an Outlaw Biker.
maybe instead of having such a close mind he should be open to understand what was happening instead of seen it as "the enemy"
Pretty good vid. I'm an old school metalhead. I never really got into nu-metal, but I never hated it either. To me it was just another of the many branches on the metal tree.
The funniest thing about this video title is that Metallica's "Sad But True" is actually a pre-cursor to Nu-Metal.
It's based around a Groove-Metal riff, and was massively popular. I think it was a real gamechanger that set the stage for the "Groove obsession" of the 90s with a lot of bands moving to either Groove Metal or Nu-Metal.
Pantera also played a huge part in that, but i guess Metallica did that to a more mainstream degree
@@laurisaarinen1126 dude metallica just slowed down what they were already playing on And Justice for All and made it simpler, Pantera was more of the true groove metal but tbh even technical thrash metal bands like Coroner went the groove metal route by '93 because more of the faster bands got sick of playing fast all the time and started to experiment more with groove along with other thrash bands like Overkill, also in '93
Metal itself had doom metal coming out in the '80s playing slow, it's just that doom metal kind of lost out somewhat to thrash because everything was getting faster and faster and moshpit culture was getting popular in the era of Jolt Cola whereas doom metal was just hearkening back to Black Sabbath and culturewise had nothing new to offer except more of the same old headbanging, even if the doom riffs were killer
Alternative metal and bands like circa-'92-and-onward-era Prong whom Jonathan Davis of Korn had mentioned as an influence were more instrumental in creating the nu-metal sound, especially the more swaggery riffs that Korn played
By that logic, Metallica's "The Thing That Should Not Be" (also D-Standard tuning, also slow tempo) is a precursor to nu-metal.
Which is completely bollocks.
The infighting over small differences comes from a fear that either the purity of the culture will be diluted or those with small differences may change enough to leave the group lowering their numbers and weaking the group and in an alternative music culture where it feels like you're fighting the mainstream that feels important to some people
like wearing baggy pants and a hat and rocking nba jerseys
We still have gatekeeping and elitism to this day, but I'm glad for these points in this video.
The "nu metal" catch-all term makes about as much sense as "grunge" did.
Slipknot, Korn, Deftones & SOAD sound nothing alike but were all labelled "nu metal"
It was always hilarious to me that the Thrash metal mainstays, absolutely hated Nu-Metal, when nu-metal was my gateway into metal, and I immediately latched on to Thrash metal right afterwards
Such a necessary video, Fynn! Here in Brazil at the time they would call anyone who listened to Nu Metal as Emo, because most people simply didn't have the slightiest idea of what Emo and Nu Metal was.
42, loved Nu-metal since day one. The haters ended up being the actual losers, so win for us.
44, can confirm
“Conformity packaged as rebellion” - was that a reference to the Anthrax song “Packaged Rebellion”?
Perfect description of nu metal. Lazy, manufactured angst.
Nu Metal was my childhood genre! Hate them or love them, admit that they're have been popular then. 😊
It was so weird to me because I grew up in rural Texas working class, I grew up listening to my parents Metallica, Megadeth, Alice In Chains, and Nirvana cassettes and as a teen listened to Static X, Korn, Disturbed, and Linkin Park. To me it was all just music. Did I dress like a nu metal Hot Topic kid? Yes, yes I did and I’d get so much hate when I would go to the city for shows or concerts or god forbid the mall. It’s nothing special cause kids today get the same elitist shit for wearing a band shirt. It’s all just very tiring, just like what you like, even if that is just an album cover or band logo printed on a t-shirt that you don’t even know anything about. Hell there are a ton of classical paintings I appreciate yet don’t know the artist or stories of.
Weird. Everyone that I knew that liked rock, loved Nu Metal. South African here. Big fans. Still playing it now. It's definitely the groove, the recall ability on the song. A solo is difficult to recall.
Being a teenager in Mid-Missouri back in the 90s when all of this was exploding, i can say all of this rings true! It was something all of us future factory workers enjoyed together!
I'm still a huge/proud nu metal fan all these years later, still wear my KoRn tees and just saw Coal Chamber in concert for the 3rd time last summer! 🤘🤘
From Topeka same time, I knew I was close to home when traveling when I heard The Urge on the radio
@@LeadMe2TheBliss It's annoying wh3en ppl say everybody hated Nu metal,, I loved it and I still do, and I really don't care what a bunch of metal heads with low self esteem issues think of my musical taste.
Hey, I stayed at home and listened to the Smiths. But I also dug Rage and Deftones. Still do. Plus, I grew up to become a journalist. Tastes vary in everything. Great vid Finn!
Smiths🤮
I was the opposite. I started with Korn, Incubus, Staind, and especially the Deftones and by 2000 abandoned it for the Velvet Underground and artists like Ziggy Stardust. After three years the formula that Korn invented became so mass produced by other second tier bands that even Korn sounded like an imitation of itself.
I remember reading somewhere that Chino said the guys from Korn would always ask the Deftones to go on tour with them. And they’d always refuse, which would piss Korn off. But the Deftones said they hated the Nu-Metal label and felt it was a fad. They didn’t want to be lumped in with that scene. They didn’t see themselves as doing the same thing. They were definitely smart to distance themselves from it.
Deftones are the one "Nu Metal" band that I still like. Outgrew the rest
@ Same.
Finn, I’m sorry that you had to talk about NuMetal again…but your discussion about larger societal problems presented in this piece of history, and the educated points you share, are why I keep coming back.
Not that I don’t love the genre here, (having graduated HS in 1998). But I love your psychological and economical breakdown that encourages me to be more open-minded.
And I’m also a Kpop fan…thanks to my ex-wife, who is now also married to a Vietnamese person. 😅
I stan Blackpink over BTS. 🫢 But I’m an American, and Teddy Park is too. Like Fred Durst, he knows exactly what he is doing.
PS: I grew up in the western Washington too. And miss it terribly. Like you, I’ve spent my life living all over the U.S. And I am extremely grateful for the perspective I’ve gained from it.
Love for the fly-over states.
0:42 Nu Metal was hated by metalheads and music "critics". So, I think Emo is the most hated genre of music ever, 'cause it was hated by pretty much everybody, whether you were a rock fan or not. Any fan of any other subgenre of rock hated Emo, and fans of other genres of music that had nothing to do with rock also hated Emo. And since I was really into both Nu Metal and Emo back then, I could feel the hatred in both of them. The hatred towards Nu Metal involved racism, while the hatred towards Emo involved homophobia. I know people who got beaten up for listening to Emo music, but I don't know anyone that was physically hurt for liking Nu Metal.
Emo is the worst. I agree
That hatred for emo had nothing to do with homophobia. Emo was just seen as "for pussies" and Nu Metal was "harder". And, when comparing Dashboard Confessional and The Used to Korn and Static X, you can see why.
@@BlackHatAndy It had *everything* to do with homophobia. You have no idea how many times me, my friends and people that I didn't even know got called f@gg0t and stuff like that. If you Google search "emo and homophobia" you'll find several people talking about that, so it wasn't just a regional thing, unfortunately.
@@Vinicius_Berger I mean, we all called people that and it had nothing to do with actually being gay though. It was just an insult like any other.
Metal has it's issues with racism but so did the Emo crowd.
As of 2021, Korn had sold more than 40 million records worldwide.
Limp Bizkit has sold an estimated 40 million albums worldwide.
As of 2019, Slipknot has sold 30 million units of records worldwide.
Ye, looks like it.
I remember as a teen thinking that there was always a tinge of racism and classism behind some of the more extreme Nu Metal hatred. lol I remember seeing this UK blogger calling Mike Shinoda a nu-metal n-word (hard R). I wasn't surprised though, bc it was a UK blogger...
Agree and to an extent me and my Hispanic friends all got into nu metal
Lol. What the hell Mike Shinoda is half white and half Japanese.
@@Tryptick lol it was a UK based blogger.
Hey man,
Great vid as usual. Your editorial running at the end of this vid is awesome. This is what sets you far far apart in quality compared to other wannabes & haters. Great work, onya 👍🏽👊🏽✌🏽
As a 90's brazilian kid who's always been into rock music, new metal introduced me to Metal (with capital "m"). I cannot complain as it changed my life forever.
One of the biggest issues i’ve ALWAYS had with metal culture/metalheads is the racism and hate towards hip hop and black culture. And the reason nu metal intentionally rebelled against that makes me just love it that much more… Also sticking it to the hipster ”tastemakers” who say you can’t combine genres, same story there.
I do like the more trad. styles of metal like thrash also but MY GOD, metal fans can be insufferable.
No one hates metal more than metalheads.
I like Nu Metal simply because it's fun Metal to me. Just pure fun
For example. I fully understand the hate Limp Bizkit get but they are a band to me that is just fun to bop my head to. Cringe lyrics.. yeah and Fred's vocals are grating but Wes Borlands Groovy riffs make the band fun for me
Also I do my best to avoid metalheads online only. Metalheads in person that I've met in real life are incredibly accepting in my experience and tolerant. It's online where metalheads are insufferable
But yeah. The racism AND sexism within the Metal fandom is dumb.
Especially women dealing with bad body odour ridden losers asking them to name 5 songs just because they think their validation is the upmost importance. Gatekeeping toolbags always targeting women metalheads.
MeTaL NeEdS GaTeKeEpErs LiKe mE.. yeah; like a hole in the head. Only thing they need is a shower and to stop being a complete a hole thinking everyone needs their validation. Irrelevant losers
Also Rob Halford from Judas Priest put Slipknot self titled and KoRn Self Titled in the top 10 Favourite Metal albums of all time. Putting KoRn number 3 and Slipknot 9th. So one of the Godfathers of metal (Sometimes referred to as the metal god) literally names 2 of the biggest nu metal bands as metal... I bet gatekeepers coped hard with that. Wanting desperately to call Rob a "poser" for liking Slipknot and Korn 😂
Music journalists invented the nu metal label, not normies.
@@crystalracing4794 the label of nu metal isn’t the topic, the music is
I feel similarly regarding funk metal but that didn’t last too long
It seems to me that the inflluences and ideas of Faith No More are completely underrated.
Chester Bennington is a great vocalist. We lost him much too early. #InTheEndItDOESEvenMatter
I was very shocked when that Woodstock '99 documentary mentioned how the frat bro types all liked Korn. Where I'm from it didn't seem like the frat types like Korn, I always thought Nu Metal was mostly kind of outsider kids who didn't fit in with the frat bros and in some case some the "white trash" types. I personally thought the genre went stale around 04/05 and started gravitating more towards heavier music. I rekindled my love of thrash which I grew up listening to as a kid a bit before Nu Metal came out. I've tried relistening to Nu Metal and while I still like a small amount of it like Deftones, SOAD pre Hypnotize, and Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park I find most of it pretty bad by today's standards in the era where we saw New Wave American heavy metal and then a lot of Crossover bands starting to become the face of underground heavy metal.
Same here in Norway. Pure fans were outcasts / nomads / independents who had their own distinct identity.
With that said I don’t think I’ve ever recalled any beef between any “camps”. I was more into thrash/death/black at that time but we were hanging out with people whom favoured all kinds of genres. Regardless if it was emo, prog, brutal, heavy or punk.
becausethey sold so much i'm sure there's all types of it
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Just found out of your channel couple of hours ago.
The amount of work and information put on these videos is insane.
I might be stating the obvious, but this is free content. Quality content.
Amazing job
Great video! Numetal will always have a place in my heart. It helped me get through being a sad and angry teen. I really like the ending expectations.
Aside from the image associated with nu-metal, I've noticed music snobs tend to hate genres that take inspiration from other genres. Fusion genres like ska punk, crunkcore, funk metal, etc. tend to get despised by music snobs, and since nu-metal is an amalgamation of loads of different genres, it was bound to get hated.
It's mainly the people who listened to Nu-Metal, more-so than the music.
I believe that is very correct, and i always loved the fusion genres the most, exactly stuff like ska punk and funk metal.
Many people call me a music snob, and probably, there's a reason (my degree in music, I guess). Let me explain what's wrong with nu-metal, ska punk, and many other genres “snobs” dislike.
First of all, most people scream “Snobbery!” whenever they _think_ it's appropriate, not even being familiar with the meaning of the term. But for this conversation, let's assume I'm still a snob.
Second, “hatred” towards ska punk etc. isn't for amalgamation, but for the utter simplicity of this music. Ska punk can be challenging to play, that's for sure, but the music itself is 3 or 4 chords in a typical I - V - III - VII major loop and literally one of the three typical drum/bass lines. Same goes for Nu Metal, although these guys often get away with two fifths on the tonic and II Phrygian. That's also why genres like punk, minimal techno etc. get their “hatred”: there's a lot of sound design and aggressive noise, but barely any music.
Third, if you wanna get deeper into the “amalgamation” thing: we “the snobs” like it a lot, but instead of bland mass marketed three-chord BS, we prefer really musical shit like jazz/rock fusion, prog or math metal, funk, good old baroque classical, and everything around and in between.
That said, I am a professional bass player who mostly plays and writes “non-snob” music genres. Apparently, it's better for my wallet than doing music I truly like.
@@alexeypolevoybass Simple doesn’t equal bad. And there is lot more to music than having complex arrangements. You can like what you like but don’t pretend like you have better taste just because you have a ” degree in music” that’s the kind of shit that makes people call you a snob.
@@laurisaarinen1126 one question: do professional cooks have better taste in food than the average Joe?
That last comparison to people judging everyone based on minor differences really hit home today. Today at work our entire crew discovered we judged people on 3 criteria. You either hold a culinary degree (good/bad), you are in your position based on experience (good), or you have a culinary certificate (fucking awful).
My mother had a go at me for listening to Rammstein, claiming it was noise and not music. My reply was 'it is music it's just not her music' and I think that applies to any genre of music you choose to listen to.
Yup I remember in high school, there was a huge divide between the "purist" who listened to the "big 4" ( metallica, megadeath, anthrax and slayer) and us "white trash kids" who listened to deftones, korn, limp bizcuit, static x etc etc. I mean we also listened to the big 4 as well and honestly I love all of it, but many fierce debates and minor fist fights were the norm from the mid 90s and early 00s at my school over this shit lol.
As a gen z kid people getting into fist fights over music taste is so obscure.
The Youngstown Ohio reference is appreciated. I grew up right outside of Downtown Youngstown. To add to the analogy the Youngstown kids were the ones who thought they were Tupac because a cop caught them buying weed or throwing toilet paper on the teachers house and gave them a warning.
I also remember the subgenre of Latin-tinged nu metal. Puya, Ill Nino, Forty Below Summer and of course P.O.D. and Soulfly on occasion. While I didn't really like those bands per se, I was a fan of blending jazz elements with metal so I found some of their stuff interesting. A for effort.
Love 40 Below Summer
Ill Niño!
@@stephsteph4503 oh yeah 💯
Any time I play "3 Dollar Bill, Y'all" at work, the most unexpected folks in the building come to me and tell me how much they loved that album. Like, the 45 y.o. head of accounts or the meek little quality assurance lady. People LOVED this ish back in the day, but they wouldn't admit it to a soul lol
What's funny? Noticed, you ended your sentence with LO. L. So something was funny or you're twelve years old
Limp Bizkit was sick AF when they came out. I was a young kid, but we all followed what the older kids like and we’d blast that and Eminem when we could get ahold of the CDs. Good times!
They admitted it to you
Still my favourite album EVER. I also dont let that be known publically hahaha
Nu metal was my introduction to metal. Linkin Park, deftones, korn, disturbed . Im 28 now. I loved it growing up
Temu ad? So hardcore dude. We should definitely listen to this guy about rock.
I saw Korn open for Danzig, had no clue who they were. It blew me away. Threw their second album out the window. SOAD I like still.
I loved Korn up to Untouchables. After that something changed with their music
at 42 i feel legally obligated to comment i was around during nu metal. it was honestly kind of fun time but yes also i was a teen so the obvious connections there, i played sports in hs in the 90s and had kids of different races and backgrounds on my teams and i can assure you in the weight room when a limp bizkit or korn song came on everyone in there was hype
I was there for the first time round, I was (and still am) so into most of the bands from the time. I'm happy to see kids walking around these days in Deftones shirts etc.
I'm also an old-school metalhead who didn't get nu-metal, this was very informative for me. Recently I lived for some time in Thailand, where metal isn't popular at all. I was regularly going to a rock bar in Bangkok. It was usually not very quiet when traditional metal bands were playing, but was always packed when nu-metal bands were playing. This was very interesting for me, apperantly nu-metal found a following even in a place like Thailand.
I older I've gotten the more I've started liking the genre.
I went to highschool in the late 90s and early 2000s and Nu-Metal was very popular with the people I hung around. I was always more partial to industial but I definitely had my favorite songs in the genre.
1:02 The music was in fact Korn-y
Mike shinoda lyrics that were a testament to this time
"
The dude, he said that, like
When we were making the first Linkin Park record
He was like:
" Before the first song that you heard me on
There were people already tryin' to get me gone
Tellin' me to quit rapping, "Just play the keys"
That my band had a singer, they didn't need me
But my band had my back so we did the tracks
Put out the album and the talk went flat
It was funny at first but then the humor faded
When some magazines printed that our label made us
We were to be good to be true
Some were saying ghost writers were writing all that we do
So we had to disprove it:
We spelled it out to the detail how we do it when we're making this music
After that I made it a rule:
I only do E-mail responses to print interviews
Because these people love to put a twist to your words
To infer that you said something fucking absurd
Oh, did I lose you at "infer"?
Not used to hearing a verse that uses over first grade vocabulary words?
People used to "infer" that we were manufactured
Now I've got the interviews on file
Which people said what, which number to dial
So now every enemy screaming insanity
All they're ever gonna be's another big fan of me
Bitch"
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Nu-metal started as rebellious in 1994 and ended up being safe in 2003. The truth is there is some really good bands in that genre that resonate through time.
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As a 34 year old that went through his formative years in the late 90s and early 00s Nu Metal plus heavy doses of Grunge and post Grunge was my music life...
I think it really connected with a lot of people from all walks of life from urban to suburban and rural who just wanted music that sounded cool and aggresive ... Me and a lot of my generation found OG hair and arena metal ridiculous and found a home in the more brooding and dark Nu Metal... I totally agree with your take that flyover midwesterners and southerners are hated and shit on constantly by society and "progressive writers" im orgainally from NYC and thus you would expect that I would have great acess to all kind of live music ... But the truth is for the music I like, I was way more likely to find it in Florida or Viginia or Ohio than NYC...
As ive grown and learned of course I can appreciate and love more technical bands like Trivium and Amon Amarth; however there will always be a place in my heart and the hearts of millions of blue collar types.. military or ex military, Law Enforcement, firefighters, tradesmen ect for Nu Metal and the raw emotion and aggression and digestibility regardless of musical education.... F the music snobs
I was 11 when I first heard LB. The next few years everyone loved them and then all of a sudden didn’t - I never stopped and got years of ish for always backing them. The sudden love and feedback for the last album made me feel some sort of way, but now I’m just happy people give the boys the respect they deserve. LB Forever.
Nah idc what anyone says. Nu metal was the best Era of metal. I remember people hating on nu metal, but nu metal helped me get out of some dark places mentally. Nu metal will always have a place in my heart.