Which Seiko 62MAS is best? SJE093 or SPB143...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2023
- The SJE093 is the newest Seiko 62MAS recreation. Since 2017 Seiko has made numerous versions of the 62mas. Some more expensive and specced out than others. I have had a few in my collection, because I really enjoy this design. The question I asked myself was: Is the SJE093 a watch I should add to my own collection....
Tune in to find out what I think and what I ended up deciding.
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Thanks for the video, it was interesting.
I have a Seiko SPB149, and an SLA037. We can probably derive and apply a few things to the SPB143/SJE093 comparison you’re making, since the finishing of the SJE093 looks similar to the one of the SLA037. The SPB149 is basically the limited version of the SPB14x line. The SLA037 is the most high end of the 62MAS recreations - everbrillant steel case, 8L55 which is a Grand Seiko 9s85 movement, but less decorated, and not regulated+adjusted.
I initially bought the SPB149 because I wanted the SLA037, but did not want to pay 6.5k for the SLA037. I’m going to try to make a fair comparison between the two by breaking it down between parts:
- Price: $1200 vs $6500. After owning the SLA037, do I think the price is justified? Mostly yes. It’s my favorite watch, my daily wearer. Do I think the SPB149 gets you 90% of the SLA037 for one fifth of the price? Also yes. But these extra 10% make me love the SLA three times more than the SPB.
- Case finishing: The SLA is heaps and bounds above the SPB. The case edges are sharper, the brushing on the top is nicer, the polished parts are flatter, the angles are sharper. Lug holes are also better finished (truly round) on the SLA, ovoid on the SPB.
- Dial finishing: Both are very well finished and very, very similar. The sunray effect is similar, the “powdery” effect too. Both have stamped indices (a legacy of the original 6217, to prevent indices from getting loose while diving), but the indices on the SLA are much more nicely finished. The angles and flat surfaces are more defined, the lume has been added inside of the indices and not on top like the SPB, and they have a black mirror finish to them - it’s pretty incredible in real life. The lume is also incredible on the SLA (the best lume I’ve ever seen), while it is a bit meh on the SPB.
- Chapter ring: The SLA has a polished chapter ring that is incredible to look at, it just reflects everything like a mirror. The SPB has a brushed chapter ring. These differences are there by design, but the result is there.
- Hands: The hands finishing is comparable - the hands on the SPB have that half-brushed, half polished finish that looks super nice. The SLA has polished hands with bezels on both sides, which also look incredible.
- Date window: the SLA has a frame around the date- that is the same frame used on some Grand Seiko models, with bead blasted bevels and polished top. The SPB has no frame, and the opening in the dial has bevels, that are not particularly well finished. The printing on the date wheel is better finished on the SLA - it is the same date wheel as on the Grand Seikos with an 9S85 - silver date wheel with small striations. The SPB has a white date wheel. The printing is also sharper on the SLA.
- Crown: the SLA crown is signed and polished, while the SPB crown is unsigned and brushed. Finishing on the SLA is better, under a loupe the part where you grip the crown looks rough, while on the SLA it’s been polished and is smoother.
- Caseback: on the SLA is just laser-etched, which is a let down vs. the embossed caseback on the SPB. I wish the SLA had the SJE embossed caseback.
- Crystal: The SLA crystal is much nicer. It has a higher dome, which gives a lovely distortion at the edges, while the SPB is just slightly raised - this is a design choice, and just my preference. What’s different though, is the antireflective coating on the crystals. The crystal on the SLA seems to be 100% transparent at all angles, while the SPB seems to miss a tiny bit of light transmission, and becomes milky as you angle the watch.
- Wearability: the SPB sits flatter on the wrist, it is almost a millimeter shorter in height than the SLA. The SLA sits taller because the caseback is higher vs. the position of the lugs than on the SPBN.
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- Adjustments: The SLA has tighter tolerances than the SPB. There is no gap between the bezel and the case on the SLA, while there is a slight gap on the SPB. The bezel clicks are nicer on the SLA, with no play. It is a big difference in tactile feel. Bezel finish is superb on the SLA, with laser-etched numbers on the DLC-coated insert. On the SPB, the insert is radially brushed, DLC-coated and the numbers are filled with paint.
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- Bracelet: the SPB149 strap is very nice, but the SLA037 strap is even nicer, it feels a bit more rigid. The buckle is better finished on the SLA. Buckle is similar.
- Movement: The 6r35 in my SPB149 shows a LOT of positional variance. Also, I can’t seem to get the same deviation every day. One day it will do +2, the next day -3, with no perceptible difference in what I do with the watch (for example, 2 work days), which makes me think that temperature, or knocking the watch might affect it. In the SLA, I have between +0 to +1 s/day, no matter what, it is rock solid. The movement is not adjusted in multiple positions but shows little variance, from -1 to +2s/day across all six positions.
I hope this helps. I agree that the price of the SLAs/SJE093 seems pretty crazy at first, but once you have it in your hand it becomes clear that these watches are in a different league. The problem is the perception of the brand - they do watches from $100 to $8000, so people don’t see the brand as capable of delivering amazing quality - also they have their fair share of QC issues on low/mid-tier watches… Rolex, for example, only has one quality level - very high, which helps to perceive the brand very positively. They’re also the best at marketing and creating interest & demand, but that’s another topic… All this to say… try to get your hands on a high-end Seiko - they’re really comparable to some of the Omega, Rolex &co.
Thanks again for the video 😊
Just watched the end of the video, we actually agree on a few points. I'm a bit surprised that you prefer the SPB143 but understand the reasons, if you make a direct comparison to the 6217.
Thanks - Glad you enjoyed it
Yeah. Watches are a subjective thing, so despite the SJE objectively being better on pretty much any standard (movement, design, finishing), - I still prefer the SPB. That's the fun with watches. It doesn't have to be the most expensive one that always is the one the connects most 😃😃
Great analysis. I really like the SJE093, it's a beautiful watch. However, I'm with you. There is someting about the SPB143 that is truly special, and the grey dial is a knockout. You've made me feel better about my decision, and it's on my list. Thank you!
And thanks for sharing! 👍😀
I agree! After many years of owning a Black Bay ETA Black 🌹 and many Seiko Turtles and SKX's I could never settle on the perfect 'everymans' diver...Until I bought the SPB143... For me its perfect and it's the watch I reach for the most. I've recently put it on a black rubber strap and it's like a new watch! It hits the sweet spot of quality, value, accuracy, beauty, utilitarianism, old school charm and comfort. It's a handsome beast and I won't be downgrading or upgrading to another Seiko diver for the foreseeable future. A great video my friend 😊
I have a Seiko solar diver. My only diver. It looks great. I don’t dive and I’m sure 90+% of diver owners don’t dive either. I also wouldn’t use a GMT or chrono as intended. Give me a solid build, solid movement, stylish watch that tells the time. That’s all I need.
So very much my thoughts on the Seiko Alpinists recreation versus modern re-interpretation. One is luxury, other is true to the original, which was an affordable GADA watch, both for office and hiking in the mountains. But the way you word it, and argue the case is as always a pleasure!
I’ve always believed watch enthusiasts to be romantics, whether we acknowledge it or not. What you said about the SPB143 is exactly why. Sometimes appreciating a watch doesn’t have anything to do with logic, rather it’s the idea of a watch’s essence that we fall in love with. The higher end models might be more visually pleasing and well built successors of the 62MAS but the SPB143 is the true spiritual successor.
Totally Stunned - for once I agree with everything you said 🙂
There is much that could be said for honest products, not status symbols, sold at a fair price . . .
These products are often difficult to identify with minimal advertising
Thanks - since you keep coming back your feedback means even more. 😀
Just because something is expensive, does not make it "better"
Cheers 😀😀😀
Simply the most down to earth and compelling analysis on TH-cam so far.
Recently bought an SPB297 and I love it. That is because I first bought an SPB253 last year and I though that is such a lovely watch.
And I totally agree with the movements. 6R35 on my black limited edition is so way off the specs! And the one on SPB297 is so precise!
Anyways, great video, great analysis.
I really enjoy your videos.
Wow. The entire video was an excellent analysis, but your closing statements were outstanding! Well done, sir.
Very nice overview and review! I have a 62MAS, SLA017 and SJE093 love them all for slightly different reasons. The 6L37 movement seems to be quite accurate by many reports. Mine is running at +2 sec/day over the last month I've had it. The finish on the SJE093 is the same as the SLA017 which is not far off from grand seiko standards. I let the SLA017 go due to size.
That’s a strong point. The trend towards the original size is definitely the right way to go 😀
Absolutely compelling and interesting video. I was bracing myself for you to say the more expensive SLA is the only one to own, but was very pleasantly surprised when you said you prefer the spb. There's an honesty and truth to wanting what was original but for the modern day, a brilliant video!
As a side note, people complain about the movement of a seiko but after you run it for a couple of months I've found that the tolerance is between +10 and - 10 a day on all mine.
Excellent review and thank you for being real about the SPB143. I’m keeping mine too!
It's on my wrist as we speak. IT's an amazing watch and a true tool 😃😃
Ohhhhh My oh my did you nail this comparison. So much information packed into this analysis. Thank you for demystifying these Seiko models. You have validated my reasons for why I’ve decided to keep my SPB. Thank you for your hard research; keep up the amazing work. Best, AKA - Mr Valjoux
Thanks and cheers . Have no doubt you'll be happy with an SPB 😃😃
Fantastic analysis. I have never handled the "premium" 62MAS offerings but I have the SPB143 and it's fantastic. I find myself staring at it in awe of its beauty. On the bracelet it's very good but on a good rubber tropic, it's amazing. If I could design my own watch, it would be the SPB143.
Good choice! The 62mas versions, really are VERY good but the often feel a bit "premium" and not necessarily in a good way. They lose a bit of the tool vibe, but quality wise there's no doubt you get a better built watch 😀
I have a SPB147, and I love it ! It’s on Uncle Seiko Z199.🔥
Got new for less than $900.
Great video !
Thanks for the praise. Appreciated 😀😀😀
Nice.
Very nice!
This level of eloquence is how a weekend should starts.
Lol. Thanks 😀
Got myself the SPB 143 for xmas, you just made my day 😃
Good choice - enjoy 😃😃
Love the conclusion. You are the man! Great thought process. Keep it up!! 🧿
Appreciate it! Will try my best 😀😀
This is one of the best explained and reasoned videos on Seiko divers I have ever seen. Wow man! You crushed it and somehow captured the very essence of each model!
Glad you enjoyed it! 😃
I'm in agreement with you. I currently have a JDM SPB 143 and have worn it daily since purchase this spring. I haven't had any of the usual alignment complaints, nor the substantial regulation issues often commented on (perhaps as it is a JDM model?). The watch has admirably stood up to the rigors of sailing, diving and general life on the water with little signs of wear. Having owned several rolexs and a couple of omegas, I find it quite liberating to wear a very serviceable watch that I can wear without concern for it's well being. I always removed my watch before diving to clean the boat bottom, now the thought never crosses my mind. And the watch looks good on land as well. For all the commentary one sees bitching about the price of the SPB143 (?!?) I find it laughable. It's a 1k watch that does all (and more) that my 5-14k watches did without having to baby it. Cheers.
Well said! Cheers 😃
Like those comparisons like taking a ride for example. And like always product analysis and product placement analysis at a level of the highest on yt🎉🤝🏅. All back up with real enthusiast attitude. Watched it with pleasure. Thanks
Thanks a ton, really appreciated 😀😀😀
Great video and content is on point, got me to subscribe. In 2021 I added the SPB239 variant with aftermarket rubber strap to my watch collection. It’s been my daily driver since, it's traveled all over the world with me. I hike, swim, snorkel, climb etc with it. This watch always gives me the feeling that it's capable of what I will throw at it and therefore my go to tool watch. I expect it to be the most worn watch from my collection long into the future.
Welcome aboard - Truly appreciated 😊😊
A few years ago you could get a Grand Seiko for $4k, now Seiko wants that for a 62MAS... As you said it might be because it is better finished with higher QC but its a tough ask given the movement. I agree with you that the SPB143 is simultaneously worse on paper but better on wrist. Sticking with your car analogy - The new mini might be fancier and sleeker but the old one will most definitely get you from Joburg to Cape Town without being put on a tow truck. That being said the SJE093 is a very pretty watch but I remain unconvinced that its worth buying. Have a great weekend!
If the SPB143 didn't exist, I'd likely go for the SJE. But it does.
Go bokke! 😎😎
Perhaps, but I think I would rather have a marinemaster 300 then. Id hate to be an All Black today! 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
I loved the end. Made me feel so much more confident in my decision to purchase the SPB model. I want a tool, not a dresser queen 👏🏼👍🏼
Glad it was helpful! 😀
Interesting analysis at the end of your upload. That was exactly the reason for me to choose the spb143. And then also for the gray dail. For a moment I thought it was just me. We drive a (new) Fiat 500 btw, Mea Culpa.
Nice analysis and well-argued point of view. Thanks. I've had the SLA043 for a year+ on an aftermarket strap and enjoyed it a lot. Is it almost fancy enough to be a Grand Seiko? Yep. Does that compromise it's tool watch vibe? Not for me. I hike, swim, climb, and bang around in it because it is a tool watch -- even if it is better made than its progenitor. It looks gorgeous, the dial is brilliant, as is the bezel. Would I be happier with a watch that was more faithful to the 62MAS because its bezel did not line up, the movement was basic Volkswagen, and the finish was uninspiring? I've had a few of those from Seiko. They are fine, but gone now. Sure they were faithful. They were also boring. And the SLA043 isn't.
That's the thing about these watches - What resonates with us will be very personal and that's how it should be 😀😀
Such an amazing content with great insights from experience.
Thank you so much.
Glad you enjoyed it! 😀😀
Great video! I say as I'm wearing my SPB143 on a Crown & Buckle Black with Grey NATO. I think the SJE093 is a beautiful watch but I just love my 143; I wear it unapologetically and it just works. Mine is very accurate (especially while wearing it) and lines up like a dream. I have more watches than I should but this and my Baltic Aquascaphe in blue gilt see the most wrist time. Reliable work horses that look great and I just don't worry about them.
Agree! The SPB is a total strap monster as well - it’s likely the reason it gets so much wrist time.
Thanks for sharing 😀👍
Spb147 is my Seiko of choice currently. On a leather strap, vintage look, gilt hands and indices,accessible pricing, skin diver aesthetics it’s a great everyday piece. I’m not a fan of the movement however this one has been good to me and I feel as if I’ve been fortunate in that respect. Great video, informative comparison.
I bought the 143. Absolutely a stunner and get complements often.
Agree completely. Good choice 😀
Really, you get compliments?
@@daveLin104yeah… from other watch guys lol
@@BDawgCrypto lol 😆
I just bought a SPB143 and I love it! Great video btw, you’ve got yourself one more sub 😊
Right on! Thank you 😃😃
I very much liked your video. It was knowledgable and well thought out. As it happens, I don‘t have the same preferences as you. I prefer an upscale diver with great design language and a very solid movement with virtually no positional variance that‘s not well known. For me this was the SLA043.
Thanks for the feedback.
And yes - choose what you like. That’s the key to this watch collecting thing 😀
You got the point making this parallelism with the automotive commerce dynamics, great!
Glad you liked it! 😃
I have both the 093 and 143 and neither replaces the other. I still love my spb. The finishing on the sje is perfect. Seiko is conservative with their accuracy but I’m getting +/- 2 sec a week, the 6L37 is a luxury movement. A thin movement is difficult to produce. My spb was +/- 4-6 and then I dropped it so I had it regulated and now i’m getting almost the same timing as my sje. I feel like both watches are worth the money especially considering how limited the sje is but the spb is such good value and worth every penny.
Thanks for a very objective review!
Glad it was helpful! 😊
I just bought the SPB239 (the nato strap version) and really love it on the tan strap. And I guess I’ve gotten lucky, because it’s running very accurate!
I did come in with low expectations of the movement, and because of that, I viewed the value for money as a bit low (especially compared to some of my other seikos like the original Alpinist). But it was a celebration purchase for myself and I decided to go with my gut. I’m very happy with the decision so far and will try it out on a leather strap soon. :) thanks for the video!
had to sub after watching this video, true connoisseur
Thanks. Welcome on board 😀
I was debating on getting the latest 62MAS reissue or the new BB54. Happy I went with the 54, because it's +2 consistently, has no flaws, the new clasp is amazing, and being a bracelet person, I appreciate the rivet style bracelet (to the dismay of many, I love rivet bracelets). The 60 click bezel is a beaut and a pleasure to use. You contrast that with the latest 62MAS's movement accuracy and lack of a bracelet, coupled with having less access to service centers and overall customer service, it's clear the Tudor wins. And it looks like a dive watch from the 50s, albeit with modern upgrades.
Nonetheless, the latest 62MAS, like earlier releases, is another limited edition. It's a niche market. It will sell out. If I see someone with a 62MAS on their wrist, I know, like me, they are a wristwatch enthusiast. It is a beautiful watch (I have a crush on it). I'm sure the 6L37 movement will make most happy. It doesn't need a bracelet, and looks best on a tropic strap.
Seiko would make the entire wristwatch community happy if they gave the 62MAS a complete Grand Seiko treatment by upgrading the movement, putting a modern bracelet in the box in addition to the tropic strap, and most importantly, drop the limited edition nonsense. It would be nice to see the 62MAS as a permanent model to compete with Tudor, Omega, etc.
Great vid. Thx
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
From the time I finished the video till I prepped it for upload the 62mas was sold out. If I had decided to get it, I would have had to have been a lot faster.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it vs the bb
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All of the 6L37s I've seen on TH-cam so far have been running within your bb54 spec. Maybe they are conservative with accuracy estimates.
I follow the spec sheet, not just what people claim or show on YT videos. @@pk1342
Well said, my thoughts exactly.
@@RabbitWatchShopif your spec shopping than you made the right decision
I am really attracted to SLA037 and SJE039's bubble sapphire glass. I think the bubble sapphire glass just makes the watch "pop". If it has display caseback, the watch will be perfect. It doesn't but it is not a deal breaker.
Great point! I love the SPB143 and I particularly prefer the version 1 model from 2020. 🙂
On my wrist as I watch your video is the SLA043. I really like the 62 MAS. I had another 62MAS reinterpretation, SBDC051. The SBDC051 was my "tool watch", not that I do much 'tooling' these days. I agree that the Seiko name is associated with the common man, get it done, mass consuming ethos, and I love that, so much that I have had many Seiko's in my life. The watch on my wrist on my wedding day was a Seiko kinetic.
The SLA043 was different. It highlights the best of Seiko (I am purposefully not mentioning Grand Seiko). The SLA series are not for mass consumption like Tudor BB or the Rolex Submariner. The SLA series are limited show case pieces (at least with the SLA017, 037, and 043). The mass Seiko consumer base will never know or care if these exist. Most will be satisfy with the SK5 series and would pinch their nose at the thought of paying $1k for the SPB or $4k for the SLA. As I grow more mature in my adoration for the watch hobby, this SLA will be my last Seiko.
Very good perspective 👍👍👍
Great analysis. I wouldn’t consider changing out my SPB147 on an uncle seiko bracelet. Yes, it has a flaw, bezel pip not centered in the 12 o’clock triangle, but mine is surprisingly accurate and the branding of this model melts away into the dial which makes one focus on the aesthetic of the watch.
Great analogy re. Volkswagen / Mini. I couldn’t agree more with you assessment.
Thanks for sharing! 😀
Great video. Thank you for the great explanation.
Glad it was helpful! 😀
Very very nice review👍🏻
Thanks. Glad you liked it 😀
Best discussion of 62MAS iterations I have seen full of keen insight and rare perspective.
The SPB143 as you state steals the day because of its price point and honesty relative to its refined aesthetic and appeal.
That said, the only Seiko I own is the Tuna 300m Seiko Prospex MarineMaster Tuna SBBN033 due to its unique charm and incredible Quartz accuracy at its price point.
I just can't stand Seiko movements other than the NH-35 which are ubiquitous because they work as you say and being inexpensive, their wild fluctuation in accuracy is more or less permitted. To me, Seiko screws the pooch with their so-called higher end movements.
In the $4K price point, I vastly prefer Tudor...pick one BB58 and not the 54, or Ti Pelagios an Omega or another with 'an accurate and regulated movement' where you get something for your dollar over and above a refined dial and case but crappy movement.
Also, can't help but think of the appeal of perhaps the most iconic dive watch of all time the SKX-007 as you describe the 143...which fits the everyman characteristic you explain however on steroids. People look past the inaccurate, non-hackable, not windable movement in the 007 for its utter simplicity and durability and to me, still one of the best look diving watches that has ever been created.
Thanks for the feedback - appreciated 😃😃
You have a relevant point about their higher end movements. They're higher end, but then... not really. It's a problem for them 😃
Mike, great video. If you haven’t already, you MUST put a Seiko MM300 ratcheting clasp with diashield coating on your SPB143. TOTALLY changed the wearing experience for me.
Noted. Thanks 😊😊
Excellent vidéo. I’m with you on this one. I prefer my spb147 for its rugged, vintage feel. And for a more luxurious modern look I prefer the SLA065
Well said. 😀
What a fantastic take. And I say that as someone who happily threw down for the SLA043 (which I still wear constantly), but I can't find any argument against your conclusion that the SPB is the more honest choice.
Thanks - Appreciated 😃
Excellent video!
Thx !!!! .😃😃
Not just how it feels, but how it makes you feel. SPB143 👍👍
Great perspective!
thanks 😀
143 all the way. Great review, thank you.
Thanks for watching! 😃
Great explanation, many here will agree that these are all wonderful references of the 62Mas, I owned the 017, 037, 043, 143, and now the SJE093 and hands down my favorite. The Seiko SJE093 the small, thinner and compact. It has excellent finish and my example gains only one second over day which is on par with my Glashutte Sea Q 39Mm in solid red gold, and the GO caliber is no joke. My 62Mas purchases end here, I hope.
I doubt it. Seiko will sell you one more, I'm sure of it - You seem to be in hook line and sinker with those models (which is cool - They are great ) 😃😃😃
If they would cost the same I would buy the SEJ because it is from a design perspective closer to the original. But I totally agree with you because of the price and the tool watch feeling the SPB is emotionally closer to the original 62MAS. Great Review!
Thank you - and agree on your perspective 😊
Buena reflexión final , tengo el SPB143 y coincido contigo. Saludos
Thanks! 😃😃
I paid that for my SJE083 king seiko and still really happy with the quality of it. I like this 093 release but, for me, I wish it was much cheaper so I could wear it like it’s meant to be worn without worry.
I’m okay with spending more money on dress watches as I know they won’t get banged about as much and of course they are meant to feel refined and luxurious.
Get your point - The more expensive the get, the more I baby them as well 😀
I love King Seikos. I have an SJE089. It's a beautiful watch. It has a vintage feel to it. But shines like a diamond. I loved it so much, I bought a second one to keep in storage as a backup. If I could only own one watch, it would definitely be that one.
100% agree with your commentary. The SPB 143 is one of the best Seiko Divers over made imo. Despite it's imperfections, the pros outweigh the cons and it's a pleasure to wear. I own the SPB 143 and SPB 213 and enjoy both. Have you seen the JDM SBDC163? It's a Royal Blue dial 62 mas. It looks amazing. I'm surprised it was never released to the international market bc it would give the SPB 143 run for it's money in terms of popularity. Cheers.
Thanks and cheers to you too 😃😃
Nice review. Had a spb143 for a short time. I should have kept it.
You should 😀😀
Why did you sell ?
The 62mas is a great design and I should have one but…….Seiko really needs to work on movement accuracy and bracelets. I expect a little more from watches costing over $1000usd.
Seiko designs are unique and deserve respect but I always get the feeling they fall short on some quality metrics. Great video as always 😎! Best regards
Facts! 👍🏻
Seiko makes some "interesting" decisions regarding quality for sure. I've actually got a vid upcoming that adresses that topic. Hopefully it will drop in the next two weeks.
Cheers as always 😀😀😀
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch look forward to it!
Recently picked up 65mas black series SPB253 and am loving it. $800 brand new from an authorized dealer. At that price, the 6R35 is more palatable. $1200 is just too much. Happy to report that nothing is misaligned! 👌🏼😅
As always such a well made video! Thanks! And I am again enlightened by you, I know nothing about Seiko, but will definitely get one as a beater, tried the one for about 500 usd called blueberry and it felt terrible, crappy bracelet and finish, it felt cheap, and, maybe thats beacuse it is haha. I call my Tudor Ranger my daily beater and tool watch, but my real tool watch is actually my Casio diver, when I swim, or do stuff up in my cabin, thats the go to, dont tell anyone…😂 But definitely gonna look at Seiko and your video made me think again that the best bang for the buck, for me at least, is still Tudor, hopefully getting the bb54 shortly, have a great sunday my friend and sorry about the loooong and boring comment! Your video was awesome!
Thanks for taking the time to let me know what you think. It’s hugely appreciated 😀😀😀
by far the best review of SPB143 available in internet
That's high praise. Thank you 😀😀
Great stuff buddy!
I really like the 62mas., as well as these reinterpretations.
Though, I still think they’re a bit overpriced (and I’m not a big fan of that Prospex logo), so…
I’m getting all AliExpress unbranded aftermarket parts and Seiko mod my own homage watch. 😉
That's the way to go 😃😃
Great video fully agree😊
Glad you think so! 😀
Agree about the design.. but if would have to choose between that one and the bb54 .. bb54, at least for the effort/design of the bracelet which is a big difference. And no risk of alignement issues on the bb54
The BB54 to me is the start of 2023 so far 😀😀
If seiko had originally realeased the 62mas in a 39/40mm case with aluminium bezel , with a bracelet and 6r movement , keeping to the original slim bezel design and dot lumepit and priced it at about $999 , it would of been seikos greatest triumph. They could have still done the sla versions for people with deeper pockets !!! My favourite is the sla043, i love the everbright steel , the deep blue dial that changes in the sunlight , and the baby blue seconds hand gives it a modern twist . And its 39.5mm case is perfect. Whilst the new version is the closest to the original , i feel the 38mm size doesnt work on my 7.5 inch wrist. Great if you have small wrists though.
You likely have a point, but that’s the whole thing with Seiko - make sure the premium option isn’t in direct competition with a cheaper option. Keeps everything desirable.
Cheers 😀
I love and have many seiko divers ,why do they struggle to line up the bezel, ive just spent a grand on the SPB239J1 and its not happening , ive learnt so much about my love of dive watches in a few minutes watching your video, i DO have taste after all ,thanks for sharing
Agree completely about the SPB. I’ve had an SPB149 for three years now and it’s been an almost-daily watch for most of that time. Until recently, I could expect an accuracy of + 5-10 seconds per day. I’ve worn it a lot this week and I’m disappointed in the lack of consistency, as it’s now been running + 25spd. That’s my only complaint. Perhaps I could have my watchmaker regulate? Anyway, it’s a great watch but I’m still intrigued by the SLA series due to the high-end movement.
Regulating a Seiko is pretty easy. Pretty much any watchmaker can do it. It's worth considering 😀😀
Great video! And man, you are looking for an honest watch? I think you just miss the SKX007, which was all that you asked for. Tool watch, reliable, for the masses.
Agree 😃😃
Most valuable and informative 62 MAS video I have seen. Thank you. I have the SPB213 and I am interested in the new slim 62 MAS but I have a 6.1 inch wrist and I'm worried it will look too small. What is your opinion on size?
Thanks for the feedback. 😊
Can't answer that for you - Size is a super subjective thing. The new SPB451 is 46.4 mm. That's a teeny tiny bit longer than a black bay 54. The SJE wears a lot like a BB54 (just taller). That would suggest a very wearable size for 6 inch wrists or below. You have to try to know for yourself.
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143 all the way, it wears great.
Bingo 😀
I'm with you.
Definitely, the previous version for me.
Always buy what you like, not just what’s new is what I say 😀😀😀👍
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch Hi Mike,
I was saving for one of the Seiko 62MAS descendants.
Then, I found and was besotted by a re-release of a Precista Royal Navy Diver from 1982 with a SW-200 movement for £495 and forgot the Seiko.
Hah! I have just had a parallel journey with the 6105 'Willard', except unlike you I found the SLA033 version was the one. Mainly because the case size, true to the original, is larger than the SPB237 and properly 'plump' (thank you Jeffrey McMahon!), unlike the slightly reinterpreted SLA Uemura version. Let's face it, the 6105 is all about the case... Great analysis, and you might enjoy Jeffrey for a refreshing perspective on the watch collecting obsession.
Thanks - happy you liked it 😀😀
Take a 4 R or 6 R in for a service and they simply replace it in its entirety. My Emperor Tuna is a working watch ( Commercial Diver ) … the strap is nowhere near long enough to go over a dry bag and the movement isn’t exactly spot on however…. I still love it .
Perhaps the answer lies in the fact that Seiko is in our hearts ?
So beautiful. So expensive. I would get one if they were a little cheaper.
Totally agree….the closest reproduction is not just the looks but the intent of the watch, the purpose of the watch, a watch for everyone. But even if you look at the spb143 on its own, without comparison it’s still a nice looking watch. But if you compare it to the 62mas, the fit and finish is more than premium enough.
That’s my thinking too 😀😀😀
thank you I love my 143
It’s a stunner! 😀😀😀
I've watched this video 20 times And eventually, I bought sje093 and will buy spb143 as well..
Star 😀😀
Yet more good stuff! As a Seiko dive watch collector I've owned most of the SLA recreations and can attest to their quality. But I passed on this. Why? Because I never thought the 62MAS was an especially honest watch (simply a copy of Euro skindivers like the original Bathyscaphe). It wasn't an especially good watch either and so its celebration is to me false and unjustified (unlike the '68, Tuna or Willard). So I completely agree - buy the SPB, or wait for the smalll case variant that will surely come. But 'honesty' in watches is so important (and maybe worth a video?) and if I wanted a very good mechanical dive watch watch for ±$1k, I'd get a Citizen or Squale -
Good point about the Source of inspiration for the 62mas. That os definitely something, someone in the know would also take into their calculation.
Thanks for adding to the conversation 👍
SLA037 is the king of the 62MAS recreation!
In truth, I'm half way through getting the components to build a mod. SKX013 size, but using a GMT NH34 cause they seem super accurate. Will hopefully have an original dial though.
Impressive. Never had the nerve to try my hand at a mod. Good luck 😀
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Selling my SKX 009,007, Turtle, Solar chronograph, seiko 5,= Seiko’s SPB 143 😊
Ooh…. Tough… the others are great too 👍👍👍
I had the 143 and liked a lot about it, but the 093 is the choice here. But I’d take the 017 over both, due to the better size. Also, Seiko 8L movements perform much better than the advertised numbers provided by Seiko. The 6r movement is total shit though. It was the main reason I got rid of my 143 and other watches with that movement.
To each their own - we like what we like 😊
I own many divers such as example Tudor Pelagos 54, Submariner Kermit, Sub ND both 2033, Jaeger LeCoultre Polaris, Longines legend Diver 39 blue and black versions, the new Blancpain Fufty Fathoms 42mm Ti23 just released, etc, I own two Seiko SJE093 just because I paid 2750 each from my dealer, one has a darker dial than the other odd I think, both are keep amazing time keeping at +1-3 seconds a day everything else is perfect nuff said. Everyone has there reasoning others such as budget, size, brand etc others follow the crowd, myself I don't buy preowned watches I rather walk in the dealers and go thru the whole experience that's just me.
It’s a great reissue, however it’s sold out if not mistaken. Nowhere to be found today in any shop (at least in Germany).
Yup. Totally sold out. Sold out pretty much five minutes after I finished filming, so good thing I decided not to order it 😂😂😂
Lots of people bitching about qc but has anyone actually had qc issues with and SJE line watch?? I doubt it... There are many videos of this sitting next to a bb54 and the finishing details make the bb54 look cheap
exactly.
I had to return my SJE093. It had a little crack in the date disc that could be visible between 1 and 31. Just frustrating after the effort of finally getting one. BUT I have to say that I also returned a BB54 because of a misaligned lume pip.
The "spb 143" at 100%.👌👍I have a SPB147
Where can I buy the yellow strap of the spb143 in the video?
It’s a tropic style strap.
Don’t remember where I got it specifically but watchobsession sells something very similar as does zuludiver
Sure they can be found elsewhere as well. 😀
In Japan they have the concept of “wabi sabi”. About embracing the imperfections. I guess that is relevant for Seiko? I’m new to the watch community and I’ve become a bit obsessed by Seiko, but then there are so much complaints. So, I’m still looking for my first watch since I was a student in the nineties …
I never actually knew what Wabi sabi referred to. See the point and makes sense to me 😃😃
The best 62MAS is the one that fits your budget best.
That too 😀😀
If you love the original 62 MAS and you value a vintage vibe above all, the choice is clear - SJE093. Seems to me that among these TH-cam reviews, the negative reviews for this watch are from those who, due to price / availability, cannot or will not buy the watch. But if your budget allows it, and your able to get one, not only will you thoroughly enjoy it, but also it will NOT decrease in value, being a limited edition / carbon copy of the most popular vintage Seiko!
Ever been to an upscale restaurant where they have all the best ingredients, the best chefs, best service and then they serve a dish where you think: “There’s this cheap joint down the road that sells the same meal and I actually prefer it over this fancy version?”
Ever camped outdoors in the backcountry and said to yourself? “I prefer this over that fancy smancy spa we stayed at”
I have. 😀
I agree with you, the SPB feels like a iconic watch that has a purpose, that's authentic. While the SJE is more like a hyped "very special" very premium watch, that imo does not work at all, as it being more premium here means more authentic, means looking even more like a tool, so it gets a state of mixed identity that makes the watch feel off.
Meanwhile, even if the SPB is objectively speaking in the movement department pretty overpriced. It is a much more authentic remake, as it is not ludicrously expensive, and it might be rought in the movement and around the edges, but so was the original tool watch it is mimicing.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. We are very much aligned .😃😃
You (Mike) & James (Stacey) bought the SPB143 (me=SPB238). For time exactness (spot-on precision), I bought the Casio 5000U 1Jf (Made in Japan). To get the Superlative Chronometer shit out of my head, I own 3 Rolex Datejusts and a JLC Reverso Tribute 2017, and others. I almost pulled the lever on the latest "MarineMaster" SJE093, the Doxa Army... then realized, holy shit, will Seiko match/beat the Swiss (Seiko "meets" ISO 6425; since the 1960s, the Swiss pulled the plug on certifying non-Swiss watches!! I'm 70 y/o until Seiko produces a (Prospex-icon less, "dial labeled chronometer"), I'm done! BTW, Tudor's (first impression) resembles Hedy Lamar's homely, chubby sister... I've never liked homely, fat, ugly women! Tudor is not attractive to me; I owned a vintage model years ago but never wore it! The Seiko SJE093 (if the movement was "chronometer," perhaps glass-back is nice, but too expensive! MY SPB239 sitting in a box is good enough for me!
What are your thoughts on the SBDC053?
A relative fan - A bit big (prefer the SLA065) and prefer the Seikos without stubby hour hands - prefer the skinnier hand styles. That's the personal preference piece. And then it has the 6r, which has it's foibles as stated. Looks excellent overall 😃
So are you buying this watch. New sje093 or pre owned date just. Can buy only one?
Tough choice. Like the sje. But if the alternative was a pre-owned sub. Then….
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Good video. But honestly, I just don't have extra money for SJE.
You and me both! 😀
U are right
Perhaps... 😉
I kinda disagree, 3k for a Zaratsu polished Grand Seiko remake of a 62mas is not luxury, it’s still a tool the same as Tudor is a tool at its pricing over and above Rolex. It’s a stunning piece and fairly priced for what your getting, has notably more character than the spb143
Fair point 😀
Seiko: You'll pay for the nostalgia.
Don't all brands charge that premium ? 😂